Starlink is HOT! Users experiencing thermal shutdown in insane temperatures
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Ok... Starlink is pretty hot, but not like that. Apparently some beta testers in Arizona are running into the issue of their units shutting down in extreme temps.
A reddit user posted about his experience and it became a whole THING.
/ societytomorrow
Luckily the dish will never get as hot as the host of this show😏
For real lol...
I won’t lie to you Sheriff, when I watch your videos sometimes I experience thermal shutdown.
Do like dishy and take a cold shower
Love the deep blues
I’m in Phoenix and it was 118 and had no issues!
Wish I had a thermal problem. 102.2F right now so Dishy would be happy (?). My problem is I have no Starlink! Hey Starlink, people do live in New Mexico! Real people, with data needs. Thanks Eliana. Tell Elon I'd like to experience Starlink before I die. I'm 73 and knocking on Heaven's door. 😅
I'm thinking the same thing Greg, North Florida is at a similar latitude. Perhaps it's a Longitudinal issue with the satellite array not positioned for eastern North America,, but central Canada has service. I don't know man, hopefully in a few months we will be set-up.
Well I put my name on the list several months ago. I'm pretty sure I saw my $99 get launched with the last set of satellites. 😄
I'm 78, living in North Texas near Lake Texoma. I think we're similarly situated.
@@gregoryjsilva4092 Same here. We sent our $99 within minutes of receiving the e-mail!
@@astrodiver1 There's the problem. Too many of us have clicked the link and so they are backlogged. And for Greg, I watched yours get launched from 200+ miles away. Mine should be on the next one.
This is why computers have cooling systems like internal fans and, sometimes, watercooling.
yep
And aren't sitting out in the sun in our yards or on the rooftop.... The interesting thing about this given the temps we are reaching in many regions worldwide is anything with embedded electronics will face similar challenges. We'll have to change how things are built to account for these rising temperatures.
@@javaman4584 I have misters for my orchid house and patio that are thermostatically controlled and use very little water.
You say Dishy McFlatface so many times and never crack up.
The 🌵 was a nice touch
I live in Surprise, AZ it 115F right now and I have no issues with my dish. My dish sits in the sun from sun rise to 4pm. My solution was a 10ft pole installed 3 feet in the ground and mounted the dish on the pole, with the pole adapter from starling. The real issue from what I can see is the heat coming from the ground in addition from the sun. Getting the dish up off the ground allows for better air flow.
Thanks Jason, have you taken a reading on the dish surface temp?
The wind may be helping you.
You’re so good at speaking and producing these videos. I really enjoy the info and the Starlink enthusiasm. Dishy McFlatface never gets old 😂. But my goodness your eyes are 🤯!!! Like I rewind several times during a vid to catch what I missed because I find myself thinking about your eyes. “Does her whole family have eyes like this? How many people have eyes like yours. None? A handful out of 7 billion people?” 🤓 Sorry. See I got distracted by your eyes again 😂. Forgive me for my silliness, I really do love the info you share and how you do so. Thank you 🙏🏻
Simple solution, StarLink needs to add a heat sink to whatever is overheating with a water cooling block, and bring those lines to the back of the dish and install a passive radiator with glycol or water.. if that isn’t enough, the passive cooler/external radiator can be replaced with a PC active cooling system, those are inexpensive and available everywhere.. likely active cooling would only be needed in the hottest environments.. also, Dishes shipped to hot climates should be white, to reflect as much heat as possible.
Shade sails are one answer to reduce temps 10 to 15 degrees .. convection/fan might also work, but dish shrouding keeps heat in and cooling effects out. Can you weather dome the dish and use a cabinet thermoelectric cooler/heater for temperature extremes as a real product solution?
well this could be a major problem if they wont work in hot climates in the summer that is lot of areas what do you do if your dish is on the roof getting it and taking it inside the house is not a solution the dish needs to have a cooling solution built into it it needs to be fixed with heatsinks or venting or a fan but if it has components that generate heat it needs to be able to shed that heat PS i cant believe that they would have started this beta if they had a heat issue and i cant believe they didn't test the dish in hot climates in the development stage so it cant be a surprise
Nice to see Cory Chase doing some much needed coverage of starlink 😀
So. We know what you, and I, do in our spare time.🥵👹
@@rickharms1 learn about science!
That would be great if Cory Chase really did do a Starlink review. Ted Cruz might subscribe to the service.
You lose your prescription glasses or somethin?
She's pretty but she doesn't resemble Cory in the least.
Did your comment mean something else?
Nice shades! 😁😁 Blue eyes! ❤️❤️! And if it is water proof..why not! Lol. August is our heat spot! Maybe not over 100 this year! It's humid so it makes it feel hotter! And reddit is fun! I am on there! 😛 And clicky the like button people's! 😁😁
Edit....Send likes to Eliana! Not me! Lol
Always love your content and subject matter. I hadn't realized your eyes were so blue. I couldn't look away.
Linus Tech Tips, needs to make a video on how to water cool the dish.
Starlink might need to add a water cooling option for Dishy's in hot areas. Similar to an All In One cpu heatsink on a PC. Or include a silver reflective shade in the package to reflect heat away from the device that doesn't affect the functionality or speed of the device. The shade idea is definitely the easier and more likely option though as it will be much faster to implement.
You've brought it to my attention. Thank You very much. I live in Tucson, AZ where it gets even hotter than Phoenix.
Time for a swamp cooler for the Dishy. ;-)
Putting a sun shade over the dish is so obvious that I'm surprised that anyone actually needs to highlight the idea. No one in the US ever heard of an umbrella?
And what if the dish is on your roof or mounted on a pole? While it's good to know that light fabric won't block the signal, it's not a solution to the problem, just a workaround. And props for Starlink's reaction; Even on the edge of designed working parameters, the electronics should slow down and thermal throttle, not shutdown altogether. Hope they get it fixed.
What's hotter than Starlink? You!
THIS ! I am genuinely surprised how you can come up with content about Starlink that no one else seems to cover. I doubt I will ever encounter this heat related issue, but glad to know it exists and Starlink has measures in place to shut it down and protect their equipment. Maybe v2 of the dish will include some fans. That's why we have BETA I guess
preproduction V2 dishy already exist. so this will either be something for the next preproduction or the a retail release to be corrected
I 💖 Your beautiful eyes !
If you can’t mount your dish you should make a wooden stand or something for it to sit on other than the ground. Every degree counts
That is gonna be an issue in Australia where we can easily hit 40° Celsius, hopefully they can put some cooling fans in them
This will be a big problem in many parts of Australia. So much so for me that I just canceled my Starlink order until they come up with a fix.
looks like a smal 2 side+ top fabric is a decent "fix" until they can build in a radiator + cooling system like your car has (or a high end PC tower) = powerful computer)
@@stevemyers2092 Or even moving some of the electronics out of the dish and venting the dish for the rest that can't be moved? also use electronic parts that can handle higher temperatures where possible. You can't rely on water cooling of any kind with a product like this due to the fact that in many cases the dish will be out of reach, on peoples roofs, or atop a pole, and the water components will be out of reach, and also, don't take for granted that everywhere has access to cheap water (for sprinkler type ideas)
I see a big market for white plastic domes coming soon. Let's see the name here, : Disky Home ? Dishy Dome ? Dish Cooler ? Anyway this is a big worry for the southern customers. Might even do some prototype sets up once i get my hands on one of these units. Thanks for this Eliana, my iPhone shut down today due to temperatures.....geezz.
You are😲 what can I say..
We used to test military dishes like this in freezing and hot temperature conditions , their are solutions already.
I wish Dishy was competitive with Century link because I get lousy service from it. Keep smiling.
Not getting lousy service is the competitive win. Some times you have to pay for what you get.
I think a built-in misting cooler that attaches to a line similar to the water lines used on evaporative coolers would be the ticket for hot climates. It wouldn't be hard to build into the design, and could be thermally triggered when the internal temps on Dishy go above 99 F. or so. If it is done properly, the water line could be disconnected in cold weather and the unit would self-drain to prevent freezing. (We have extremes like this in New Mexico)
I know something else that's hot...a paved road in the Summer time! ;)
For real though, I could see them coming out with a new model that features liquid cooling and liquid heating for people in either extreme temperature areas. It might even be more efficient for the unit to run at a set temperature and have something inside that either heats or cools the water running around the components to keep them at a constant temperature but I'm no engineer...
Sometimes it's very hard to keep your unit from overheating!!!!
Same here mate
Those eyes.....:)
How old is that bike?
$500 brick. Unless you're a billionaire these days, you live somewhere where 105+ is the norm. Better have a few million for a back yard to build an air conditioned tent in.
I put mind in the shade. If that doesn't work I'm going to try a sprinkler. Okay, okay, covering it with aluminum foil will be next.
Starlink tents will be on Etsy soon
Ya Right, no kidding
Reassuring that the StarLink service term are on the case, hopefully they’ll find a fix before I get my StarLink sometime in the fall not that heat will be an issue until the following summer.
Probably needs some peltier cooling/heating chips with small internal fans; or a covered dome like the ground stations have.
So because Americans are way way behind to the rest of the world and don't understand the metric system that's -30C to 40C for everyone else :-) Oh it's 21:55 lol
Would be a problem here in Australia.
Unfortunately our government has blocked the use of Starlink in large areas near and in our capital cities. The best I can get is internet from cell towers. 18Mbps down is OK, 0.17Mbps up isn't. Especially if you create content.
How old is Eliana? I guess 29 or 30. She makes great videos about Starlink and she has a sexy vibe in her personality.
Ew
@@traceeaw Get some therapy for your hang ups.
I didn’t forget to spank that like button Appreciate y’all all day long. You have such a natural beauty you really aren’t doing yourself justice with the abundance of makeup. Especially around your eyes. I’m really concerned how it’s going to act in Alaska? Yahoo
its not software except for the thermal spread for shut down...its a hardware situation - I wonder if a smaller 2 side+ top box would keep the temps low enough. I mean perhaps a 12" distance from the potentially closest point of the dis to the fabric. Minimizing the required "cloth" box's size.
Goes to show that designing a mechanical/electrical device sufficiently robust for outdoors environmental extremes is quite the engineering challenge. Ultimately they made need to design the device as though it will be deployed on Venus, and then the other extreme, the South Pole. Perhaps would then be like a $20,000 device.
Ah, engineering...where there is a problem, people will work toward a solution...and hopefully find one...From an engineering stand point why should the Starlink dishes be much different than those used by Dish or DirecTV or Iridium other than their need to move about while the others are fixed?
Also well since this is already have the molds for all the stuff they have for it the other option would be like a pelter assembly but at a very low wattage to ensure no condensation internally however something is going to have to change dramatically from a hardware standpoint can be done really easily can be done just do the other people my experience with everything else I see you is no
If the system is “phased array”, what is the need for mechanical tracking? The whole concept behind phased array is electronic beam steering, which is faster. Having mechanical tracking seems just like another point of failure…
I wonder how long he last sitting on the ground out in the sun, yes it's hot, now climb on top of a 8 foot ladder yes it's much cooler, so what do you think would be a good idea.
True enough.
I am in the Phoenix area and have been waiting for my beta SpaceX dish. How did this guy in Arizona get one, or did he bring it from another part of the country? If you have contact with him maybe you could find out as I am anxiously awaiting notification to purchase my dish...
We don't have this problem in Scotland, it never gets that hot Just now its 75F
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How they keep thing cool in Australia : Coolgardie safe
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolgardie_safe
Maybe the use of a “mister” would be welcome now. It used to be popular a few years back.
Starlink should get in contact with the chip industry gpu and cpu makers and come up with cooling systems for their southern customers. People will spend hundreds of dollars on cooling equipment just to eke out 5% of performance gains.
Here in Southern Nevada with everyday over 110 degrees haven't had a thermal shutdown yet. I'm just an hour from Death Valley.
He didn't expect a fast response? Really??? This is SpaceX.... the most rapid development company on the planet.
It has been over 119° on my back patio for the past week (Phoenix (well Peoria) AZ here)
I have nothing to add to this, as where I live it doesn't get that hot, and all I have had was great service from my Dishey.
Well, what are our out in the boonies users, that this was designed for, to do? Whats next? Too cold? Too snowy! Too much humidity and rain? Biting rats! Salt water?
It's not the motors that are crapping out or that they're even encased in their the motors are running so little of the time and Motors typically I didn't want to go there it's not the freaking Motors
So what if you could take a dark piece of shaded plastic or maybe glass don’t know about the glass like they use with sunglasses , cut it into a round shape that could fit over the dish and then mount the material a few inches or whatever is need above the dish to reduce the amount of sunlight that reaches the dish. Leaving the dish on the ground is going to cause it to overheat anyway because the ground absorbs more heat. The ground temperature is usually hotter than the air temperature. Naturally the darker the plastic, the less sunlight that will reach the dish. Hopefully in the future starlink can resolve this issue.
Hope they can fix this, kind of bogus! Thanks for letting us know.
Global CO2:
Jun. 17, 2021 418.68 ppm
Jun. 17, 2020 416.15 ppm
1 Year Change 2.53 ppm (0.61%)
No wonder it's hot AF... and it's not even Summer yet... things are about to get rough. 2.5 ppm per year means that in 2030, CO2 will be at 441.18... That's not going to work...
So using dry ice to cool the dish is a bad idea? 😜
All this talk about hot, and I'm not supposed to see the mini-skirt. lol, np Elon must have a deal with you.
but when you submit a ticket asking if it's b/c of heat they say it's b/c of beta, we have had so many issues since our temps have been above 98
They need to redesign the dish with a blower or cooler to keep the electronics chill. It's not a major issue unless starlink ignores the problem soon most of the country will be experience above 100 degrees temps.
Maybe or maybe they could design a heat sink with a water vapor cooling solution to divert the heat away from the chips and copper antenna, saw a tear down and I am sure the copper is the main contributor to heat soak. This is promising, I am a big fan of starlink. Here is south africa where temperatures get get up to 40+ degrees Celsius. But this is the point of the beta to gather real world testing and impliment design changes. The a passive solution is much better as it would remove the need for additional mechanical components which could lead to more failure points. Think once all the data is collected they will start implementing it on a manufacturing scale... but it could be as simple as an software update... those engineers are very clever
Silicon chips usually have a thermal limit in the 100°C range to 110°C, there is not much that can be done to cool enough in such a high ambient temperature environment. Water cooling is done for computer silicon dies when needed but the dish has many small dies all over to use copper water cooling blocks.
A cooling system on the back of the system would still pull heat out of the unit.
Add heat sink on the main mcu on the pcb n modify some parameters in the sketch will eliminate the problem of overheating.
Unfortunately I live where the -22 limit is more significant than the high temperature limit.
Y - the whole thing is a heating element. Absurd power consumption.
“As we roll into summer, things are getting a little hot - if you know what I mean… *wink wink*”
Damn right. Nothing hotter than a SpaceX/Starlink nerd 😏😉 #ImmaSpaceXSimp
Ugh!
Aviation grade electronics have to work up to 70 degrees C….
Elon needs to switch to Gallium Nitride for better thermal margin.
Watching Eliana on video is like watching a Siamese cat talk to ya. Those eyes!! Talking to her face-to-face would probably get ya in trouble though cuz it would be hard to resist constantly wanting to pet her. :-) That's meant as a compliment, btw.
What? Your cat doesn't talk to you?? Ya don't know what you're missing!
Wow, I am flattered! Thank you for watching!
Do you have a stepmom named Cory?
Your stepbrother Samcrac?
what part of the unit stopped working? isolate the problem then address it
I desperately need a portable system up in saskatchewan canada....any word when that will happen? Use for home, vacation, work and volunteer spirts coaching. Need dependable high speed internet in many locations.
Sports don't know what a spirt is
im in southeast texas and waiting to get a dishy hope i dont have that much troulbe
No way hoser! Remember electricity and water are not a good combo.
Thank you on the care and feeding of Dishy McFlatFace. 👍
Dishy and me need sprayed with cold water.
waiting for Linus to watercool a starlink dish
Central northern NV: Haven't seen this, but will keep an eye out as we will be hitting the 100s over the next couple weeks. Thank you!
Need an air conditioned RF transparent dome attached to your house.
Yo, girl, what be dem flippas on yo eyes?
They are updating the dish with a software update to correct this.
Is the onboard "heating element" on? Could this be contributing to the heat buildup? If so, could the APP be updated to allow the user to turn the heater off?
bet its not on. 125F is more than enough to shut it down when it says upper limit is 104f.
The engineers should improve insulation and add a reflective surface around the electronics housing.
and solar in/out fans
starlink dishes use microwave right?
needs to have a water cooling system like a pc ...
I'm surprised they didn't see that coming especially since these were supposedly designed to work where current Internet doesn't which is basically a lot of harsh environments cold or hot and within that I wouldn't have embedded the electronics in the bottom of the Dome with no ventilation or using the bottom of the Dome as a heat sink however in reality when you look at the power consumption in Watts you multiply that by 3.12 that is your heat generated and if you are going to use it where it would be 105c or higher you have to separate antenna from the modem module within Merced globalstar Etc yes they have all-in-one panels and they don't overheat the way this does but they're also not running at the same fan with so their power consumption is nothing in comparison so to think of a single unit device in harsh environments that's no good even Dish Network and c-band lnbs keep the minimal amount of parts on
Calling it better than nothing was genius
that would be a huge issue in most of africa which is one of the main areas that starlink is aimed at serving
Sub Sahara Africa is not as hot as you think. 25 to 33 degrees Centigrade are the average.
Love your channel. Great delivery, to the point videos, but still light hearted. I feel like you must be a former news reporter?
I don’t know if she’s current or former, but one of her videos shows she is indeed a television news reporter!
@@Andrew-13579 I think she is still a current news anchor in Tri-Cities, WA.
you forgot to mention it is in a beta test hot lady girl...
I need to get one of these in my hands and tear it apart but typically every device out there is thermally under managed and within that if these things are going into the point of 145° and then also supposedly capable going down to freezing + -20 then I am wondering about the longevity of the boards in it as thermal expansion and contraction especially with lead-free solder and SMD and BGA on multi-layer boards don't mix
Neighbor: What are you doing?!?!
SocietyTomorrow: I'm watering my Dishy McFlatface... duh!
I live in southern Nevada outside of Las Vegas. Temperature here was 118 yesterday and had no problems whatsoever. I have my dish mounted on top of my RV which would put it up about 14 ft above the ground. Plus the roof is white which does a good job of reflecting solar energy. From the pictures in the post I'm seeing these antennas are sitting directly on the ground. The reflected energy off the ground plus the lack of circulation could be an issue. Seeing these issues is why we have beta testing on new technology.
If you look at the debug messages you will see that these disks are prototypes.
The incredibly talented engineers at SpaceX will solve this problem.
PS
I too have had excellent results with starlink tech support staff. I usually get an answer to any question within 12 hours sometimes less!
Did the version 2 fix this? 👀