@@master_samwise You could've written literally anything and it would've had more thought behind it. "I'm going to avenge my friends by killing my friends". Reva made no sense she was a Jedi survivor who turnt to the dark side but also wanted to avenge her fallen Jedi but also is extremely brutal in killing Jedi but she was actually pretending to get to Vader to kill him (which let me stop you right there Reva you must have lost alot of blood from surviving two lightsaber stab wounds cause fricken Yoda would have a hard time putting Vader down) They had a gold mine at their finger tips with the grand inquisitor and they cast him to the side to make way for what's her face. It'd be like a director getting the rights to use Darkseid and thanos in the same movie and they kill them off in the first scene and focus the rest of the time on she hulk. Okay rant over
option 2 for me, while option 1 is great, not everybody needs to become good. There needs to be some people who are past redemption or genuinely believe in the empires cause and would never become good
@@BarbaraGordonTheBatgirl purely evil characters usually feel boring and one-dimensional,* though. Much better to have them struggle with massive internal conflict about their chosen path and be redeemable in principle - yet ultimately be so convinced of their ideology, so consumed by their own hatred, that redemption is impossible in practice, leaving destruction as the only viable option. Just my two cents. * With the notable exception of Palpatine (films 1-6), of course. But trying to compete with greatest, most flawlessly evil villain in cinema history would probably just feel even more contrived.
@@adrianr5318 I entirely get what you mean, I just think its time they try and do a purely evil character over yet another character that gets redeemed.
I think redemption is the worse story because obi wan clearly believes vader is irredeemable and him learning that noone is exempt from redemption creates a bit of a plothole
Also, is Reva’s redemption really redemption? She just… didn’t kill a child, that’s her redemption? She didn’t exactly do any good to turn over her bad or sacrifice her life like Anakin did, she just refrained from brutally murdering a child :/
I also think redemption is a bad idea. In real life, very rarely do bad people say "wow I was a bad person I am going to do good now." In star wars we have seen Trilla, Vader, and Kylo all be "redeemed", I think it is unrealistic that nearly every main dark side user is able to see the error in their ways like this
In my opinion, one of the biggest problems with Obi-Wan Kenobi (the show, not the character) was it really had no reason to exist. I mean, sure, if you really needed to, you could say he was trying to stop Reva from killing Jedi or fighting Tusken Raiders on Tatooine, which are both fun and interesting stories, but the show that WAS made existed to make money first and tell a “story” second, which is clear based on how much the show borrows from other stories
Yeah it was basically made because the fans (in general) loved Ewan as Obi-Wan and wanted to see more, but because they had an actual story they wanted to tell. Andor is basically the complete opposite.
IF *ANYTHING* THE ONLY POST EPISODE III STAR WARS SERIES I WANT IS VADER BEING BADASS, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SEE! Why did we get a Kenobi series? what was the point??
The fanbase had been demanding a Kenobi show for years. About him, on Tatooine, protecting Luke, not about Generic Inquisitor 53 played by Diverse Actor 21 to push the diversity agenda - which I have nothing against -, across the Galaxy, hunting Leia.
It severely annoying me that the inquisitor in that episode of TotJ was such a cool character design, yet the story the episode was drawn from was completely mangled.
This sounds so much more compelling than what we got from the show! Also, I love how in your version Kenobi is still awesome and a Jedi master we can cheer on instead of the weak relatively useless version shown in the show.
I prefer the destruction path for Reva, mainly because my main issue with Star Wars nowadays is they’re having too many force users, especially ones on the light side, existing during the original trilogy. I know I’m probably gonna sound like a snob but I really don’t like that tbh. It takes away from Luke being “a new hope” and the last Jedi to be able to stand up to the Empire.
Here's Reva's Backstory in my re-write: During order 66, Reva and a few other padawans are trying to escape the temple, Vader catches up to them, and they all agree fight Vader till their last breath. During the fight, Reva ran away. Now, she has to live with the trauma of seeing her fellow padawans die and the guilt of knowing she abandoned them. Years later, she is found by the Empire, and they torture her to the point of passing out a few times. Now she is a being of pure rage who is only barely able to be cold and calculated around civilians and threatens the painful execution of everyone when things don't go her way. Eventually, at the battle of the path, Obi Wan and Reva are having the conversation where Obi Wan realizes Reva's full backstory and he uses her trauma to turn her against the other inquisitors, her attempt to kill Vader wasn't her plan, but the result of Obi Wan
I think the best way to rewrite the kenobi show would’ve been a single sentence: “He hung out in the desert doing nothing just watching Luke until he was attacked by Tusken raiders”
I think I would go with Option 1, but adding a tragedy that still results in her destruction. Since this is THE Obi-Wan Kenobi, it is no surprise that Vader himself would personally dive into this hunt with more motivation than other cases. So at the moment when Reva just tosses aside her lightsaber and gently refuses Obi-Wan's help, *a sudden breathe is heard in the distance.* And Reva suddenly freezes up. The looming figure of Darth Vader comes out of the shadows, from the buildings behind her, *his rage and bloodlust almost palpable.* Despite feeling conflicted seeing his former apprentice once more, Obi-Wan still raises his lightsaber in preperation for a fight, asking a clearly terrified Reva to step aside and get away from there. Even with Vader as his main focus, Obi-Wan still cares about saving Reva's life. He knows what awaits her if Vader catches her. But before there can be any reaction, TIE Fighters screech past the sky above them. And the mountainous sight of an Imperial Star Destroyer hovering above the city appears. All three look up, including Vader, with a visibly enraged tone. *["My orders were to leave this hunt to me!"],* he says. Clearly, Vader wanted to hunt down Obi-Wan by himself, but the captain of that Star Destroyer apperantly wanted to show off his competence to the Emperor and ignored Vader's order in an attempt to seek glory. As transports start bringing troops down on the planet, Reva realizes that Obi-Wan will die if he stays, so she Force pulls her lightsaber back and swings at Vader _(who stops it with just the Force)_ while desperatelly yelling "RUN!" She intends to stall time so that he can get away. Obi-Wan is clearly distraught, he doesn't want to abandon Reva! But as TIE Fighters close in, bombarding the area, he has no choice but to flee as he's been fired upon. He takes one last heartborken look back to see Vader cut down Reva. On a secondary note, I think this could be a good leadway to their eventual duel. Obi-Wan manages to escape, Vader Force chokes the Imperial Captain to death, then he proceeds to fly his personal starfighter after Obi-Wan, tracking him down through the Force. Then we get that besutiful fight they had on that rocky planet.
Oo I love this! The destruction path I find really good, what a great way to expand on both Reva and Obi Wan's character arcs and show Obi Wans growth since Mustafar and acceptance that he sometimes needs to do the 'wrong' thing for the good of others, great job. The whole redemption arc that they tried to do in the show just doesn't seem to fit naturally, I get the premise and it is really interesting but whether or not it could be done at all considering how inquisitors are created etc I'm not sure, cool premise for a differnet show tho i think
The way you describe how Reva’s fighting style would be reminds me of a character I created (just my own fan story), who is a Sith Lord that uses relentless lashes of his lightsaber and is on constant offense.
Personally; I think the whole idea for the Kenobi show should of been told through present-day events; hunting and tracking Kenobi with only Kenobi's appearances being that of inside flashbacks. More of a cat-and-mouse approach; a more; detective; more; Noire approach.
I feel like Reva should have been Darth Sion esque, twisted by her hatred and anger of the torture ?, held together with nothing but that, have her be disfigured maybe give her a mask and make her the sledgehammer of the group, using few words but brutal actions which speaks louder than then bullyish ranting. Edit: was trying to work the dark side artifact under the temple as a factor for survival and also her finding peace (not necessarily a redemption) would be her demise as she no longer feels rage
Maybe Vader could've been sent in to kill Reeva, so Obi-Wan and her must work together to escape, giving us the duel between Obi-wan and Vader and keeping the better redemption ark Edit: Looking at the comments, the redemption path would also set up Obi-wan letting Vader kill him later instead of fighting, as it would show him that even sith could be redeemed
I actually would enjoy this as an arc. Add double the episodes and one or two episodes of filler that bring out everyone's characters better, and you got yourself a great series
I still think the idea she knows anakin is darth Vader because she “played dead” and somehow Vader just left her alive, didn’t even tell a trooper to make sure they’re dead, one of the stupidest parts of the show. And on top of that Vader I guess knew who she was I’m pretty sure, which means he knew she knew his identity and kept her alive with that information
why would we ever be scared of reva, look at her shes just a regular ass human, that wouldn't be scary if it was someone w the rocks physique, if it looks like we could mangle the villain in a box why would we fear them as a physical opponent for our heroes (who always win by the end of the story in case u didnt know)
Fantastic video! Such a dull character made interesting A lot of these shows and movies feel like they could have gone through one last rewrite to be really really good
This video gave me an idea for my rewrite, what if we extend the story a bit? We have the first ark which plays out pretty similar to the original show (minus Reva attacking Vader and Obi-Wan's duel with Vader), then we have a second ark where after returning Leia, Kenobi goes back out into the galaxy to stop Reva's rampage (also we get to see the path slowly transforming into the rebels).
For the final episode of the second ark, Reva is sent to an ice planet where a mining company is suspected of aiding the path/rebels, Reva goes to "resolve" the situation, we get to see Reva kill the workers, the security, and a bunch of slightly weaponized loading and mining droids. Eventually Kenobi catches up to Reva and they have a duel, obi wan manages to take Reva's lightsaber away, and that's when he convinces her to turn against the empire. as obi wan and Reva are leaving, Vader shows up, Reva immediately attacks Vader, only for vader to pick her up, force-choke her, chop off her limbs, and violently toss her aside. Obi wan and Vader fight, obi wan almost kills Vader, but is forced to flee by a ton of snow and purge troopers. (also, when obi wan catches up to Reva, he lands behind her and says "hello there") Thoughts?
It may not be perfect, but it's better than what we got. Then again, I think her character should have been one that we hated (of course, we do that anyway), but on purpose, which is where I thought they were going until we saw why she was doing everything she did in the show, I feel that it could have worked better if she did the things she did because she wanted to, for no real reason and that she's in no way redeemable, of course we could have Kenobi try to convince her to change her ways, and that's when we find out that she does the things she does because she likes it, she likes the power of the Darkside, this could even play into her fight with Vader, that she's driven crazy by her lust for the Darkside that she tries to become the Emperor's new Apprentice, it could even be a situation where even Vader thinks that she's too dangerous to be kept alive and thus strikes her down, plus tying into her attacking the Grand Inquisitior maybe even attacking others too. I know it's kind of lazy, but I don't think we've actually had a truly evil character apart from Palpatine in Star Wars in ages and I think could have been cool to see again.
I definitely would go with option 2. I think we need more characters that are past redemption and it would also help to further separate her from Trilla.
Great re-write. The only thing I would change, or add, is probably having both the "Redemption" but leads to her "Destruction" Where Reva comes to terms of what has transpired, the truth of her life thus far, and is conflicted. So upon towards the final battle, Reva has made changes in both her demeaner and temperment. Instead of being blood thursty, and hastey, she begins to hold back her attacks. She begins to start questioning, instead of blindly following orders. Could have her in the begining as like a "Mad Dog" of the Empire, and is refered to as such. Even by Vader. For both her blood lust, and how relentless she is at hunting down her prey. Emphesizing her blind rage. So as she begins to unfold her past bit by bit, she begins to realized that blindly following orders only makes her just as evil as those who took her away from her family. So the Inqusitors begin to notice, to the point where they believe she'll leave them and join the Jedi. Could have a scene where she had Obi-Wan in her grasp (probably during a 3rd encounter) but hesitates and lets him leave because Kenobi also discovered her past and tries to talk to her. Which partly works. So now she wants questions, and accidently starts asking them. So when it came down to her discovery of Luke, and Lea, she begins to have turmoil about her next move. Should she kidnap Luke, only to repeat history? Or should she leave, risk getting excuted for tretchery? This leads to the final battle between her and the Inquisitors. Or one that she was more close to, as he/she too discovered Luke, and with last bit of resolve stops them. But as they fight she is becoming wounded. That's when Kenobi steps in and saves her. He defeats the inquisitor, but as he lets his guard down to try and help Reva, the Inquisitor makes a last ditch attack on Kenobi, but Reva makes the final blow and kills him. Ben tries to help the wounded Reva, but she refuses. She acknowleges that her being alive will only endangered Luke. She does not care for the Jedi order, but she cannot stand to continue being the monster she has tried to slay all these years. So, she asked Kenobi to put her at rest. Reluctant, Obi-Wan drives his lightsaber into her, killing Reva, and ensuring that the only one who knows about Luke, is him. And I would also had a moment towards the end, that Ben begins to sense Vader (because I rather they hadn't shown vader so soon) Then cuts to Vader suiting up, and he is informed of Reva's death. Vader, looks off into the distance, and asks if there were any signs of Kenobi. The soldier said they weren't sure, and didn't know what lead to both her and the other Inquisitors death. That's how I would have it played out. It's basic, but still would get a good amount of character development for the characters. Good bit of conflics and resolutions, and good bit of growth for Reva, as well as Kenobi interacting with her.
You know, I think the vibe Reva's character would really benefit from is someone just trying to hold in a mental breakdown until they can get to the bathroom because they are at work.
I pick the second story, not because I particularly like the idea of her being redeemed, but because I don't buy the motivation you've put out in the first one. The Empire tortured her and commits heinous atrocities left and right but her rage is directed toward the Jedi because they sometimes messed up during the clone wars? Shouldn't the Empire obviously be worse and her hatred the other way around in scenario 1?
I like the redemption arc as its how I think of SW. Though I would add that Reva sees how horrible the Empire has treated all the people where she had been taken in.
We gave up Jerec, Antinnis Tremayne and Adalric Brandl (this one is an incredibly obscure yet intriguing Inquisitor)..........For this and Dollar Store Lucius Malfoy. Though, I wouldn't use the nameless guy from Filoni's Tales of The Jedi (I hate that he stole the name from a better comic) as a better example. I'll probably go with Option B, tired of shoehorned redemptions. Just let a Dark Side user be an irredeemable monster while still being tragic, just for once. It worked with Darth Bane in his novels. And with Darth Maul.
I love this idea and it’s really well thought out and planned. I wish the new Star Wars put more effort into the inquisitiors rather than just bad guys grrr types, there’s so much potential for ex jedi enforcers made to hunt their own brothers and sisters
Option one with the door open for her to take obi wan up on his offer when she feels worthy is my favorite way to go. In future installments you get to see her become a gray Jedi avenging the helpless like that family who sheltered her as way to make amends for all that murder. You see her use her k owl edge of the empire to hit them where it hurts. You see her struggle with letting go of and grappling with guilt and anger on her path back to the light side.
@@heikira438 they try too hard to make Rey 'earn' the power, she should have been an actual Skywalker. That one change fixes only some of the bad story, Reva sucks aswell I guess... She's just a horrible character with bad story to bend to
Great character arcs. However, I think for the redemptive arc it still needs a bit of justice. Like a third character in the plot who has also followed Reva who happens to be another Jedi or close to someone SHE killed. The final battle is when Obi-Wan defeats her and she sees the error of her ways only then to be confronted by this other character who also manages to get into a strike position to kill her only for Obi-Wan to speak to them to not give into their hate which causes them to let her go. Thus creating a moment of ultimate forgiveness and redemption between two characters with the help of ObiWan.
I think a situation where Reva dies to Vader, allowing Kenobi to escape would be the best. She somehow learns the Obi-wan isn't just hiding on Tatooine, but protecting a young force-sensitive child, while also not burdening him with the dogma of the old Jedi Order, allowing him to have a normal childhood, something she would have desperately craved in your rewrite backstory. Maybe one of the Inquisitors managed to tell Vader they had found Kenobi, but when he arrives, it's only Reva. They have a fight where she is clearly outmatched. But, when he tries to torture the information on where Kenobi went out of her, she doesn't give in. Lost in a fit of rage Vader kills her and she dies with a defiant smile on her face, protecting a child like her adoptive family did all those years ago. Also though, there has to be something else to get Obi-wan off of Tatooine for this to work. If he could have been motivated by the Empire's evil, then he would have left many times over. Maybe Luke falls ill or something, a sickness that only affects force-sensitives, and the only cure is somewhere off world. Owen and Beru have no means of getting it, so Obi-wan does. However, the wider galaxy is well aware of this sickness and the cure, so anyone trying to get it immediately sends up a red flag to the Inquisitors, and that's how they enter the story.
I think I have a fix on the Redemption arc with Obi-wan arriving in the nick of time. Show him in the shadows during Reva's conversation with her friend. That would solve the "in the nick of time" problem while also giving Obi-wan a reason to fight for Reva.
I believe this story would be better Ashoka instead of Obi-Wan being the main character. Since she would be more likely to be "disconnected" from force and hopeless state of mind then Obi-Wan could be since he aware of Skywalker twins and being there to teach them. Ashoka arc would be generally the same, abandoning every of a jedi to hid on a farm world where a jedi on the run encounters her. Inform her that a group of jedi is gathering together to fight the empire. The inquisitor including Reva soon found the runaway Jedi and Ashoka, massacre the village. Runaway help Ashoka to escape from inquisitors but runaway fight them off but is out match, taking his own life to avoid capture. Now discovered, Ashoka is on the run, relearning to used the force for basic survivals. Meeting people who are hopeless outmatch to empire to keep hope, and it doesn't necessary mean fighting the empire but simple help other in their hour of need. (Some like Hercules Kevin sobro version show where there secnes Hercules help people build and farming for other, not just fighting monsters) help Ashoka to know there more way to help people then just fighting. Of course she can't stay to long, with inquisitor hunting her down, showing why Jedi can't be still without risking bring disaster. During which Ashoka fight Reva, learning what happened in Jedi temple, expect not knowing Anakin leading the charge and she captures by the clones to be torture by mask man in black aka Vader. Ashoka won't have a lightsaber in this fight still. But she escape toward jedi gathering ensure of her escape. After the deal, Reva would contact Vader, cold, clam and calculated. Reva inform her master she done what he demand, to locate the Jedi group. Vader would be unconcerned about Ashoka. Ashoka arrive at Kessel to jedi group with help of the underground rebels. She get a taste of her old life and relearn to used the force. However the empire arrives with full army lead by Vader. The jedi gathering was a trap for the dark lord, but with Vader fist clone army, overpower and kill the jedi. Ashoka on the run face Reva. Now prepare, Ashoka use her renew jedi training to overpower the inquisitor and take her lightsaber, to escape. Three choice for Reva, Ashoka kills Reva, Reva survive to either be on her own to avoid facing Vader warth or tortured by Vader and assgin to hunt down Ashoka. Ashoka helping a family from kessel massacre would encounter Obi-Wan, both would talk and explain how they will help the galaxy. Ashoka going out to help people in need and Obi-Wan to teach next generation of jedi, both avoiding to share to much in case either got captured. I know I missing a lot of steps and explaining in the little narrative I given, but the Kenobi storyline wasn't a good fit for Obi-Wan but it better for someone else like Ashoka which won't be out of place for her until after time travel bs from rebels.
2 things to say: 1) This is a better story than the original, by miles away. 2) Although you didn't mention anything about Vader vs Obi-Wan, I believe that actually makes the story even more logical, since their final battle seemed a bit off anyway. Overall an amazing script, thanks for fixing Obi-Wan Kenobi Series for me.
Their final battle had absolutely no stakes. The only thing it accomplished was Obi-Wan realizing that "Anakin is gone", which was undermined by the fact that Obi-Wan just... left him alive for no reason whatsoever.
I'd say the redemption could work but make it the midway point, the 2nd half vader shows up and riva needs to now keep up the act of an inquisitor that survived the battle with obi wan because he spared her like anakin Have vader hunt down obi wan relentlessly, burning world's in his hunt. Getting close to catching him multiple times but riva in ever scaling stakes manages to save obi wan last minute. But vaders suspicions rise higher with each save Until it ends with ruva being forced to fight vader, obi wan finally refuses to run and face riva head on in a 2v1, most of the fight is obi wan trying to keep riva alive due to her being the weak link Riva recognises this and sacrifices herself so that obi wan can go all out, in the process actually managing to damage vaders respirator amd even the scales Obi wan vs vader could go either way, obi wan either sparring vader last minute like in the show Or obi wan being close to death but vader is stopped from landing the killing blow by a last minute save from some rebels or something Or who knows obi wan is stuck between killing vader and saving civilians from some sort of danger. He chooses to save the civilians instead Any could work really
I thought the reason why obi had a problem using the force was because of the PTSD he suffered after the battle with Anakin so he has to regain his spark by protecting Leia?
How about a slight mixture of both? Reva shows signs that maybe she can be redeemed and Obi Wan tries, thinking that if he can redeem her, then maybe there is hope for Anakin. But ultimately, he fails having to cut her down. This leads him to the realization that Anakin is gone forever and there is no hope for his friend and brother. He than places his hope in Luke, completely thinking that he is the chosen one (hinted at in rebels, I believe). This can lean into the original trilogy where Obi Wan thinks Anakin is irredeemable and tells Luke that the man that was once his father is gone.
that is one of the this about allot of Disney's team of writers its almost like they have a check list they have to go through or some sort of meddling before the final draft is released. I just see parallels with EA and Disney with the writing. this is far better than the shows versions of her.
What people forget about villains is that a good villain needs to work well with the hero in the story. Darth Vader x Luke Skywalker, is ironically enough one of the greatest examples of this hero-villain dynamic working well. Disney seems to struggle with this a lot. Kylo Ren x Ray / Raylo (Cough Cough)
I'm noticing a pattern of "hey do you remember this character? Let's give them a show!" and less of "Hey, these characters are loved by the fans, let's take our time to construct a decent narrative that compliment these characters"
My question is when did they make lightsabers so weak If you got hit by a lightsaber I would think it would kill you almost immediately unless you were like Darthvader or Darth Mall powerful But it looks like a stab in the chest wouldn’t even kill somebody just hurt there feelings
Destruction for sure is the best answer. Not everyone needs to be redeemed - just like in the real world, most of the time, bad people don't come around and say "oh I was a bad guy." In the OT, obi-wan is very adamant that Anakin is dead, and that Luke must face him. Obi-wan never seems confident in Luke's ability to turn Vader back to the light - he even says "he's more machine now than man - twisted and evil." We know obi-wan couldn't bring himself to kill Vader in ROTS, and him defeating Reva would show a change in his character, him realizing that had he finished off Vader he could have saved a lot of pain and suffering. By killing Reva, it would have shown how he is changing his actions to account for what he may feel was a mistake. It would then be more in line with how obi-wan talks about Vader in the OT.
Didn't watch the video but I always felt like Reva should've been a main character from the beginning working with Obiwan. Her arc has so many problems. It could even mirror Qui-gon and Obi's relationship from episode 1 with Vader as the Maul figure.
Honestly Riva didn’t bother me too much what bothered me was how Vader acted, grabbed a whole ship with one hand and instead of having the real ship leave while he’s doing it they wait till he destroys the ship ripping it onto the ground to lift off making it look like he easily could have just grabbed the second and chose not to. Then when Obi-Wan leaves the main group to save everyone by diverting attention, rather than go after him alone since Vader wanted a solo battle. Vader diverts the attention of the fleet and follows Obi-Wan only to then tell his lackies to ready his personal ship… Vader is one of the best pilots due to his connection with the force why would he divert the attention of his entire fleet just to fight Obi-Wan alone when he could easily have had both options and stomped the rebellion and got Obi-Wan? Seems like such lazy writing. I also wasn’t a fan of Obi-Wan’s progression with reaccepting the force. It was beyond exponential, he went from being like less than a padawan back to Jedi master in like under an episode. Considering how long it took him to begin to reaccept the force I would’ve liked to see a more gradual progression especially since the reason he beats Vader isn’t meant to be in strength but in control
I actually liked Ingram's acting. Like the prequels I think the issue was solely and squarely on the directing. Especially in a lot of the action scenes and duologue
I think Ingram demonstrated a capable range, but the decision to base her character off of a third grade bully was a poor one that made Reva less impactful and intimidating.
This is a good rework but I feel Star Wars is facing a growing issue where too many villains are cheaply redeemed (often times in death). Kylo takes the cake for the biggest cop out “redemption”. Luke nearly killed him in his sleep but going so far to join the First Order? To act as the tip of the spear in their conquest and description of worlds? And it’s all good cause he imagines the ghost of his dad forgiving him.
ASHOKA! We already have a GOOD woman fighting Sith Ashoka. We need a BAD women fighting Jedi aka REVA. Reva turning good is just following Ashoka path. I think it interesting, some SW fans hating on the character Reva after 1 season but at first didn’t ‘t like Ashoka . These same fans gave the character and SW writers a chance to fix the character. Ashoka a hit now. Reva deserve that same chance.
As much as people like redemption arcs, it doesn't really fit into the OT for Obi-Wan to have redeemed a dark side wielder, because both Obi-Wan and Yoda tell Luke that redemption is impossible, something which Obi-Wan would know to be false if he had already witnessed it
things that you have to understand about the batch of writers at disney, most of the characters are all self inserts, so they can see their fanfic come alive on screen, it comes off as really bad Forum Roleplay threads.
The problem with modern day villains is the push by disney to make them all so sympathetic to the point where you can't tell if they're even supposed to be the bad guy in the story. I don't mind a sympathetic villain, but disney seems to think that giving the villain a sympathetic reason to be the way they are mirrors real life, but it doesn't; a lot of people irl are just bad and there's no justification for their actions. It's that stupid, "don't judge, because you don't know what that person is going through" mantra. I get it, you want to make realistic villains, but the best way to make realistic isn't to make them all sympathetic, it's to make very few sympathetic and the rest just bad people.
Saying they changed Reva My brain: That's right writers give up on a new inquisitor don't make any fucking effort to give the character anything interesting or new. I would like the redemption one because no one just leaves the inquisitors or the empire
I personally didnt think she was that bad of a character. She is far from my fav Inquisitor. But still. Its not that far-fetched she survived the Temple massacre. Is it any different than a school shooting? Anikan was mowing thru jedi left and right. And with the clones shooting it was chaos. She wanted revenge on Vader- makes sense. BUT her slow descent into the Dark Side is her undoing. I get the impression that while serving as a Inquisitor/ wanting revenge on Vader for what he did, she slowing became accustomed to her new role. As if she fell in love with her killers so to say. Being a survivor, her new station probably gives her perks/protection from persecution unlike other jedi. But the dark side slowly demented her lol Same applies to her trying to kill Luke. Its a sick, demented/twisted form of justice. But thats just from what I saw.
I’m gonna go one step further and say I don’t think there should be any Inquisitors whatsoever, at least not force-users. Vader and Palpatine would not suffer “rivals” or other dark side lackeys. That and I’m sick and tired of the millions of jedi that are apparently alive and kicking still during the Original Trilogy when they should all be dead except Obi Wan and Yoda. I’m gonna get a lot of flak for this but the only “sith assassin” that ever worked was Starkiller.
Damn, you didn’t just fixed Reva, you fixed the entire show. The idea of Obi-Wan following Reva’s trail of murders and destruction sounds like a very thrilling storyline. Not to mention, you wrote out all of the contrived and/or canon-breaking story elements like Leia’s kidnapping and Obi-Wan’s rematches with Vader, to name a couple. If only modern Star Wars was written by people with some actual talent.
Really sucks because you can tell her actor really cared and tried to stay on script. It sucks that she got a shitty part, I hope we maybe see her in something else (better written)
In your place i whould go with a combination of both Destruction and Redemption. Reva whould have sacrifice herself in oreder to save Obi Wan and some other Jedi from Darth Vader.
this sounds like the plots for the original version of the show but i assume it got corporate and they thought they could squeeze more money out of a “old man you shouldn’t have fucked with” plot. but good job bro
What i realised, Disney Reva is the face of inquisitorium where they are all mediocre fallen Jedi whom at most terrible at slaying Jedi but pretty excellent at scorch planet. I now understood Vader had to be there all the time because of Mediocrity.
With this video alone, you made Riva and Obi-Wan's character arc more interesting and sympathetic than the show itself. Mad respect.
Glad you liked it! I’m not saying I put more time into writing this than the actual writers did… but I might have.
@@master_samwise You could've written literally anything and it would've had more thought behind it.
"I'm going to avenge my friends by killing my friends".
Reva made no sense she was a Jedi survivor who turnt to the dark side but also wanted to avenge her fallen Jedi but also is extremely brutal in killing Jedi but she was actually pretending to get to Vader to kill him (which let me stop you right there Reva you must have lost alot of blood from surviving two lightsaber stab wounds cause fricken Yoda would have a hard time putting Vader down)
They had a gold mine at their finger tips with the grand inquisitor and they cast him to the side to make way for what's her face.
It'd be like a director getting the rights to use Darkseid and thanos in the same movie and they kill them off in the first scene and focus the rest of the time on she hulk.
Okay rant over
Everything about Reva and the inquisitors is creatively bankrupt.
He did nothing resembling this. Not even a little.
Partly because it was already interesting and sympathetic to begin with. Try watching the show.
@@master_samwiseYou didn’t. This makes it clear you put absolutely zero time into writing this.
When one guy can do a better job at writing this storyline than an entire writing team... you know that writing team micght've messed up.
Not just "one guy" but one absolute amateur with no writing experience!
@@master_samwise LMAO
@@master_samwise You have one thing they don't have...love and respect for IP
@@master_samwise u should work there fr!!
To be fair, Disney’s C-suite did a lot of meddling with the writing, demanding that certain plot points happen and certain characters are emphasized.
option 2 for me, while option 1 is great, not everybody needs to become good. There needs to be some people who are past redemption or genuinely believe in the empires cause and would never become good
That seems to be the general consensus.
Yeah, Maul never redeemed himself and that works
@@alondraperez-ramirez8363 exactly, i dont get why characters cant just be pure evil
@@BarbaraGordonTheBatgirl purely evil characters usually feel boring and one-dimensional,* though. Much better to have them struggle with massive internal conflict about their chosen path and be redeemable in principle - yet ultimately be so convinced of their ideology, so consumed by their own hatred, that redemption is impossible in practice, leaving destruction as the only viable option. Just my two cents.
* With the notable exception of Palpatine (films 1-6), of course. But trying to compete with greatest, most flawlessly evil villain in cinema history would probably just feel even more contrived.
@@adrianr5318 I entirely get what you mean, I just think its time they try and do a purely evil character over yet another character that gets redeemed.
I think redemption is the worse story because obi wan clearly believes vader is irredeemable and him learning that noone is exempt from redemption creates a bit of a plothole
Also, is Reva’s redemption really redemption? She just… didn’t kill a child, that’s her redemption? She didn’t exactly do any good to turn over her bad or sacrifice her life like Anakin did, she just refrained from brutally murdering a child :/
I agree, also having the final duel between the two mimic similarities with Mustafar would actually be both tragic and also really amazing
I also think redemption is a bad idea. In real life, very rarely do bad people say "wow I was a bad person I am going to do good now." In star wars we have seen Trilla, Vader, and Kylo all be "redeemed", I think it is unrealistic that nearly every main dark side user is able to see the error in their ways like this
not really because luke comes in a redeems his dad at the end of his life. obi wan just saw how far he had fallen
@@heymitch1519 dooku didnt maul didnt savage didnt quinlon voss went dark because of ventress for awhile there. pong krell, masana tide, Taron Malicos
In my opinion, one of the biggest problems with Obi-Wan Kenobi (the show, not the character) was it really had no reason to exist. I mean, sure, if you really needed to, you could say he was trying to stop Reva from killing Jedi or fighting Tusken Raiders on Tatooine, which are both fun and interesting stories, but the show that WAS made existed to make money first and tell a “story” second, which is clear based on how much the show borrows from other stories
Yeah it was basically made because the fans (in general) loved Ewan as Obi-Wan and wanted to see more, but because they had an actual story they wanted to tell. Andor is basically the complete opposite.
IF *ANYTHING* THE ONLY POST EPISODE III STAR WARS SERIES I WANT IS VADER BEING BADASS, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SEE! Why did we get a Kenobi series? what was the point??
The fanbase had been demanding a Kenobi show for years. About him, on Tatooine, protecting Luke, not about Generic Inquisitor 53 played by Diverse Actor 21 to push the diversity agenda - which I have nothing against -, across the Galaxy, hunting Leia.
@@webbedshadow2601 I like to see Vader but without the story coming first it's not much of a story.
I thought it was going to be a lot more interesting, but it was pretty pointless.
It severely annoying me that the inquisitor in that episode of TotJ was such a cool character design, yet the story the episode was drawn from was completely mangled.
Biggest waste of a character design ever. Seriously imagine if the guy was a villain in Jedi survivor.
He almost looks like a leaner, less bulky version of Reaper from Overwatch
This sounds so much more compelling than what we got from the show!
Also, I love how in your version Kenobi is still awesome and a Jedi master we can cheer on instead of the weak relatively useless version shown in the show.
I prefer the destruction path for Reva, mainly because my main issue with Star Wars nowadays is they’re having too many force users, especially ones on the light side, existing during the original trilogy. I know I’m probably gonna sound like a snob but I really don’t like that tbh. It takes away from Luke being “a new hope” and the last Jedi to be able to stand up to the Empire.
No I agree with you
Here's Reva's Backstory in my re-write: During order 66, Reva and a few other padawans are trying to escape the temple, Vader catches up to them, and they all agree fight Vader till their last breath. During the fight, Reva ran away. Now, she has to live with the trauma of seeing her fellow padawans die and the guilt of knowing she abandoned them.
Years later, she is found by the Empire, and they torture her to the point of passing out a few times. Now she is a being of pure rage who is only barely able to be cold and calculated around civilians and threatens the painful execution of everyone when things don't go her way.
Eventually, at the battle of the path, Obi Wan and Reva are having the conversation where Obi Wan realizes Reva's full backstory and he uses her trauma to turn her against the other inquisitors, her attempt to kill Vader wasn't her plan, but the result of Obi Wan
Now, she doesn't need to survive her battle with Vader because her battle with Vader is her redemption, instead of that terrible scene with Luke
It's truly fascinating how Kenobi's writers managed to make Reva more inconsistent than Palpatine in The rise of Skywalker.
Edit: Also, great video!
Thanks!
I think the best way to rewrite the kenobi show would’ve been a single sentence: “He hung out in the desert doing nothing just watching Luke until he was attacked by Tusken raiders”
I think I would go with Option 1, but adding a tragedy that still results in her destruction.
Since this is THE Obi-Wan Kenobi, it is no surprise that Vader himself would personally dive into this hunt with more motivation than other cases.
So at the moment when Reva just tosses aside her lightsaber and gently refuses Obi-Wan's help, *a sudden breathe is heard in the distance.*
And Reva suddenly freezes up.
The looming figure of Darth Vader comes out of the shadows, from the buildings behind her, *his rage and bloodlust almost palpable.*
Despite feeling conflicted seeing his former apprentice once more, Obi-Wan still raises his lightsaber in preperation for a fight, asking a clearly terrified Reva to step aside and get away from there.
Even with Vader as his main focus, Obi-Wan still cares about saving Reva's life. He knows what awaits her if Vader catches her.
But before there can be any reaction, TIE Fighters screech past the sky above them.
And the mountainous sight of an Imperial Star Destroyer hovering above the city appears.
All three look up, including Vader, with a visibly enraged tone.
*["My orders were to leave this hunt to me!"],* he says.
Clearly, Vader wanted to hunt down Obi-Wan by himself, but the captain of that Star Destroyer apperantly wanted to show off his competence to the Emperor and ignored Vader's order in an attempt to seek glory.
As transports start bringing troops down on the planet, Reva realizes that Obi-Wan will die if he stays, so she Force pulls her lightsaber back and swings at Vader _(who stops it with just the Force)_ while desperatelly yelling "RUN!"
She intends to stall time so that he can get away.
Obi-Wan is clearly distraught, he doesn't want to abandon Reva!
But as TIE Fighters close in, bombarding the area, he has no choice but to flee as he's been fired upon.
He takes one last heartborken look back to see Vader cut down Reva.
On a secondary note, I think this could be a good leadway to their eventual duel.
Obi-Wan manages to escape, Vader Force chokes the Imperial Captain to death, then he proceeds to fly his personal starfighter after Obi-Wan, tracking him down through the Force.
Then we get that besutiful fight they had on that rocky planet.
Oo I love this! The destruction path I find really good, what a great way to expand on both Reva and Obi Wan's character arcs and show Obi Wans growth since Mustafar and acceptance that he sometimes needs to do the 'wrong' thing for the good of others, great job. The whole redemption arc that they tried to do in the show just doesn't seem to fit naturally, I get the premise and it is really interesting but whether or not it could be done at all considering how inquisitors are created etc I'm not sure, cool premise for a differnet show tho i think
The way you describe how Reva’s fighting style would be reminds me of a character I created (just my own fan story), who is a Sith Lord that uses relentless lashes of his lightsaber and is on constant offense.
DUDE A CHARACTER REBUILD SERIES WOULD BE GREAT
"She's stabbed and survived" *Darth Maul looking nervous in the corner*
Personally; I think the whole idea for the Kenobi show should of been told through present-day events; hunting and tracking Kenobi with only Kenobi's appearances being that of inside flashbacks.
More of a cat-and-mouse approach; a more; detective; more; Noire approach.
I feel like Reva should have been Darth Sion esque, twisted by her hatred and anger of the torture ?, held together with nothing but that, have her be disfigured maybe give her a mask and make her the sledgehammer of the group, using few words but brutal actions which speaks louder than then bullyish ranting. Edit: was trying to work the dark side artifact under the temple as a factor for survival and also her finding peace (not necessarily a redemption) would be her demise as she no longer feels rage
Maybe Vader could've been sent in to kill Reeva, so Obi-Wan and her must work together to escape, giving us the duel between Obi-wan and Vader and keeping the better redemption ark
Edit: Looking at the comments, the redemption path would also set up Obi-wan letting Vader kill him later instead of fighting, as it would show him that even sith could be redeemed
I actually would enjoy this as an arc. Add double the episodes and one or two episodes of filler that bring out everyone's characters better, and you got yourself a great series
I liked option 1 best but instead of trying to hide from the empire she could develop a starkiller like vendetta against the inquisition and Vader
I still think the idea she knows anakin is darth Vader because she “played dead” and somehow Vader just left her alive, didn’t even tell a trooper to make sure they’re dead, one of the stupidest parts of the show.
And on top of that Vader I guess knew who she was I’m pretty sure, which means he knew she knew his identity and kept her alive with that information
why would we ever be scared of reva, look at her shes just a regular ass human, that wouldn't be scary if it was someone w the rocks physique, if it looks like we could mangle the villain in a box why would we fear them as a physical opponent for our heroes (who always win by the end of the story in case u didnt know)
I still find it stupid that Reva killed many Jedi survivors...to avenge her fallen Jedi companions? What's the logic of that
Fantastic video! Such a dull character made interesting
A lot of these shows and movies feel like they could have gone through one last rewrite to be really really good
They really did feel rushed. Just a lack of care and love all around.
This video gave me an idea for my rewrite, what if we extend the story a bit? We have the first ark which plays out pretty similar to the original show (minus Reva attacking Vader and Obi-Wan's duel with Vader), then we have a second ark where after returning Leia, Kenobi goes back out into the galaxy to stop Reva's rampage (also we get to see the path slowly transforming into the rebels).
For the final episode of the second ark, Reva is sent to an ice planet where a mining company is suspected of aiding the path/rebels, Reva goes to "resolve" the situation, we get to see Reva kill the workers, the security, and a bunch of slightly weaponized loading and mining droids. Eventually Kenobi catches up to Reva and they have a duel, obi wan manages to take Reva's lightsaber away, and that's when he convinces her to turn against the empire. as obi wan and Reva are leaving, Vader shows up, Reva immediately attacks Vader, only for vader to pick her up, force-choke her, chop off her limbs, and violently toss her aside. Obi wan and Vader fight, obi wan almost kills Vader, but is forced to flee by a ton of snow and purge troopers. (also, when obi wan catches up to Reva, he lands behind her and says "hello there")
Thoughts?
It may not be perfect, but it's better than what we got. Then again, I think her character should have been one that we hated (of course, we do that anyway), but on purpose, which is where I thought they were going until we saw why she was doing everything she did in the show, I feel that it could have worked better if she did the things she did because she wanted to, for no real reason and that she's in no way redeemable, of course we could have Kenobi try to convince her to change her ways, and that's when we find out that she does the things she does because she likes it, she likes the power of the Darkside, this could even play into her fight with Vader, that she's driven crazy by her lust for the Darkside that she tries to become the Emperor's new Apprentice, it could even be a situation where even Vader thinks that she's too dangerous to be kept alive and thus strikes her down, plus tying into her attacking the Grand Inquisitior maybe even attacking others too. I know it's kind of lazy, but I don't think we've actually had a truly evil character apart from Palpatine in Star Wars in ages and I think could have been cool to see again.
I definitely would go with option 2. I think we need more characters that are past redemption and it would also help to further separate her from Trilla.
I feel like they could have wrote this, but with the amount of episodes it seems like an abridged version, cutting out the arcs to get to the chase
Great re-write. The only thing I would change, or add, is probably having both the "Redemption" but leads to her "Destruction" Where Reva comes to terms of what has transpired, the truth of her life thus far, and is conflicted. So upon towards the final battle, Reva has made changes in both her demeaner and temperment. Instead of being blood thursty, and hastey, she begins to hold back her attacks. She begins to start questioning, instead of blindly following orders. Could have her in the begining as like a "Mad Dog" of the Empire, and is refered to as such. Even by Vader. For both her blood lust, and how relentless she is at hunting down her prey. Emphesizing her blind rage. So as she begins to unfold her past bit by bit, she begins to realized that blindly following orders only makes her just as evil as those who took her away from her family. So the Inqusitors begin to notice, to the point where they believe she'll leave them and join the Jedi. Could have a scene where she had Obi-Wan in her grasp (probably during a 3rd encounter) but hesitates and lets him leave because Kenobi also discovered her past and tries to talk to her. Which partly works. So now she wants questions, and accidently starts asking them. So when it came down to her discovery of Luke, and Lea, she begins to have turmoil about her next move. Should she kidnap Luke, only to repeat history? Or should she leave, risk getting excuted for tretchery? This leads to the final battle between her and the Inquisitors. Or one that she was more close to, as he/she too discovered Luke, and with last bit of resolve stops them. But as they fight she is becoming wounded. That's when Kenobi steps in and saves her. He defeats the inquisitor, but as he lets his guard down to try and help Reva, the Inquisitor makes a last ditch attack on Kenobi, but Reva makes the final blow and kills him. Ben tries to help the wounded Reva, but she refuses. She acknowleges that her being alive will only endangered Luke. She does not care for the Jedi order, but she cannot stand to continue being the monster she has tried to slay all these years. So, she asked Kenobi to put her at rest. Reluctant, Obi-Wan drives his lightsaber into her, killing Reva, and ensuring that the only one who knows about Luke, is him. And I would also had a moment towards the end, that Ben begins to sense Vader (because I rather they hadn't shown vader so soon) Then cuts to Vader suiting up, and he is informed of Reva's death. Vader, looks off into the distance, and asks if there were any signs of Kenobi. The soldier said they weren't sure, and didn't know what lead to both her and the other Inquisitors death.
That's how I would have it played out. It's basic, but still would get a good amount of character development for the characters. Good bit of conflics and resolutions, and good bit of growth for Reva, as well as Kenobi interacting with her.
You know, I think the vibe Reva's character would really benefit from is someone just trying to hold in a mental breakdown until they can get to the bathroom because they are at work.
I pick the second story, not because I particularly like the idea of her being redeemed, but because I don't buy the motivation you've put out in the first one. The Empire tortured her and commits heinous atrocities left and right but her rage is directed toward the Jedi because they sometimes messed up during the clone wars? Shouldn't the Empire obviously be worse and her hatred the other way around in scenario 1?
I have nno idea how long it took you to rewrite her story but it baffles me how better it is. Like it really shows how bad they screwed that show ...
I like the redemption arc as its how I think of SW. Though I would add that Reva sees how horrible the Empire has treated all the people where she had been taken in.
Bro the inquisitor in tales of the jedi looks insane!
Really cool video this is the first one I’ve seen on you’re channel excited to see your other content🙂
Disney YOURE fired. Welcome to the team sir samwise 🤝
So much wasted potential in Reva. Good on you for doing her justice.
We gave up Jerec, Antinnis Tremayne and Adalric Brandl (this one is an incredibly obscure yet intriguing Inquisitor)..........For this and Dollar Store Lucius Malfoy.
Though, I wouldn't use the nameless guy from Filoni's Tales of The Jedi (I hate that he stole the name from a better comic) as a better example. I'll probably go with Option B, tired of shoehorned redemptions. Just let a Dark Side user be an irredeemable monster while still being tragic, just for once. It worked with Darth Bane in his novels. And with Darth Maul.
I agree that Option B is probably more realistic, tragic, and requires far less convenience or contrivance.
Already with the back story I’m hooked
I love this idea and it’s really well thought out and planned. I wish the new Star Wars put more effort into the inquisitiors rather than just bad guys grrr types, there’s so much potential for ex jedi enforcers made to hunt their own brothers and sisters
Option one with the door open for her to take obi wan up on his offer when she feels worthy is my favorite way to go. In future installments you get to see her become a gray Jedi avenging the helpless like that family who sheltered her as way to make amends for all that murder. You see her use her k owl edge of the empire to hit them where it hurts. You see her struggle with letting go of and grappling with guilt and anger on her path back to the light side.
Great vid, you wrote her backstory MUCH better.
Dude, Reva has got to be the worst Star Wars character ever. I like Rey more than Reva
I completely agree.
Well, Rey stole Anakin's lightsaber, prophecy and his last name with no training.
Reva just stole one bad series.
I still think Rey is worse.
@@heikira438 they try too hard to make Rey 'earn' the power, she should have been an actual Skywalker. That one change fixes only some of the bad story, Reva sucks aswell I guess... She's just a horrible character with bad story to bend to
Great character arcs. However, I think for the redemptive arc it still needs a bit of justice. Like a third character in the plot who has also followed Reva who happens to be another Jedi or close to someone SHE killed. The final battle is when Obi-Wan defeats her and she sees the error of her ways only then to be confronted by this other character who also manages to get into a strike position to kill her only for Obi-Wan to speak to them to not give into their hate which causes them to let her go. Thus creating a moment of ultimate forgiveness and redemption between two characters with the help of ObiWan.
I think a situation where Reva dies to Vader, allowing Kenobi to escape would be the best. She somehow learns the Obi-wan isn't just hiding on Tatooine, but protecting a young force-sensitive child, while also not burdening him with the dogma of the old Jedi Order, allowing him to have a normal childhood, something she would have desperately craved in your rewrite backstory. Maybe one of the Inquisitors managed to tell Vader they had found Kenobi, but when he arrives, it's only Reva. They have a fight where she is clearly outmatched. But, when he tries to torture the information on where Kenobi went out of her, she doesn't give in. Lost in a fit of rage Vader kills her and she dies with a defiant smile on her face, protecting a child like her adoptive family did all those years ago.
Also though, there has to be something else to get Obi-wan off of Tatooine for this to work. If he could have been motivated by the Empire's evil, then he would have left many times over. Maybe Luke falls ill or something, a sickness that only affects force-sensitives, and the only cure is somewhere off world. Owen and Beru have no means of getting it, so Obi-wan does. However, the wider galaxy is well aware of this sickness and the cure, so anyone trying to get it immediately sends up a red flag to the Inquisitors, and that's how they enter the story.
I think I have a fix on the Redemption arc with Obi-wan arriving in the nick of time. Show him in the shadows during Reva's conversation with her friend. That would solve the "in the nick of time" problem while also giving Obi-wan a reason to fight for Reva.
"Fixing Reva". We have a fixed Reva. Her name was Trilla.
I believe this story would be better Ashoka instead of Obi-Wan being the main character. Since she would be more likely to be "disconnected" from force and hopeless state of mind then Obi-Wan could be since he aware of Skywalker twins and being there to teach them.
Ashoka arc would be generally the same, abandoning every of a jedi to hid on a farm world where a jedi on the run encounters her. Inform her that a group of jedi is gathering together to fight the empire. The inquisitor including Reva soon found the runaway Jedi and Ashoka, massacre the village. Runaway help Ashoka to escape from inquisitors but runaway fight them off but is out match, taking his own life to avoid capture.
Now discovered, Ashoka is on the run, relearning to used the force for basic survivals. Meeting people who are hopeless outmatch to empire to keep hope, and it doesn't necessary mean fighting the empire but simple help other in their hour of need. (Some like Hercules Kevin sobro version show where there secnes Hercules help people build and farming for other, not just fighting monsters) help Ashoka to know there more way to help people then just fighting. Of course she can't stay to long, with inquisitor hunting her down, showing why Jedi can't be still without risking bring disaster. During which Ashoka fight Reva, learning what happened in Jedi temple, expect not knowing Anakin leading the charge and she captures by the clones to be torture by mask man in black aka Vader. Ashoka won't have a lightsaber in this fight still. But she escape toward jedi gathering ensure of her escape.
After the deal, Reva would contact Vader, cold, clam and calculated. Reva inform her master she done what he demand, to locate the Jedi group. Vader would be unconcerned about Ashoka.
Ashoka arrive at Kessel to jedi group with help of the underground rebels. She get a taste of her old life and relearn to used the force. However the empire arrives with full army lead by Vader. The jedi gathering was a trap for the dark lord, but with Vader fist clone army, overpower and kill the jedi.
Ashoka on the run face Reva. Now prepare, Ashoka use her renew jedi training to overpower the inquisitor and take her lightsaber, to escape. Three choice for Reva, Ashoka kills Reva, Reva survive to either be on her own to avoid facing Vader warth or tortured by Vader and assgin to hunt down Ashoka.
Ashoka helping a family from kessel massacre would encounter Obi-Wan, both would talk and explain how they will help the galaxy. Ashoka going out to help people in need and Obi-Wan to teach next generation of jedi, both avoiding to share to much in case either got captured.
I know I missing a lot of steps and explaining in the little narrative I given, but the Kenobi storyline wasn't a good fit for Obi-Wan but it better for someone else like Ashoka which won't be out of place for her until after time travel bs from rebels.
2 things to say:
1) This is a better story than the original, by miles away.
2) Although you didn't mention anything about Vader vs Obi-Wan, I believe that actually makes the story even more logical, since their final battle seemed a bit off anyway.
Overall an amazing script, thanks for fixing Obi-Wan Kenobi Series for me.
Their final battle had absolutely no stakes. The only thing it accomplished was Obi-Wan realizing that "Anakin is gone", which was undermined by the fact that Obi-Wan just... left him alive for no reason whatsoever.
Less both tbh, probably hours to design that awesome raven inquisitor for him to die in 3 seconds lol
Say what you will, I love the mask on the Inquisitor Ahsoka faces. I see that in the dead of night I'd certainly be worrying for my life.
I'd say the redemption could work but make it the midway point, the 2nd half vader shows up and riva needs to now keep up the act of an inquisitor that survived the battle with obi wan because he spared her like anakin
Have vader hunt down obi wan relentlessly, burning world's in his hunt. Getting close to catching him multiple times but riva in ever scaling stakes manages to save obi wan last minute. But vaders suspicions rise higher with each save
Until it ends with ruva being forced to fight vader, obi wan finally refuses to run and face riva head on in a 2v1, most of the fight is obi wan trying to keep riva alive due to her being the weak link
Riva recognises this and sacrifices herself so that obi wan can go all out, in the process actually managing to damage vaders respirator amd even the scales
Obi wan vs vader could go either way, obi wan either sparring vader last minute like in the show
Or obi wan being close to death but vader is stopped from landing the killing blow by a last minute save from some rebels or something
Or who knows obi wan is stuck between killing vader and saving civilians from some sort of danger. He chooses to save the civilians instead
Any could work really
I thought the reason why obi had a problem using the force was because of the PTSD he suffered after the battle with Anakin so he has to regain his spark by protecting Leia?
How about a slight mixture of both? Reva shows signs that maybe she can be redeemed and Obi Wan tries, thinking that if he can redeem her, then maybe there is hope for Anakin. But ultimately, he fails having to cut her down. This leads him to the realization that Anakin is gone forever and there is no hope for his friend and brother. He than places his hope in Luke, completely thinking that he is the chosen one (hinted at in rebels, I believe). This can lean into the original trilogy where Obi Wan thinks Anakin is irredeemable and tells Luke that the man that was once his father is gone.
that is one of the this about allot of Disney's team of writers its almost like they have a check list they have to go through or some sort of meddling before the final draft is released. I just see parallels with EA and Disney with the writing. this is far better than the shows versions of her.
Great, bravo bravo. Don't you know... You should be a Story Spine Creator. As a producer, I would hire you.
What people forget about villains is that a good villain needs to work well with the hero in the story. Darth Vader x Luke Skywalker, is ironically enough one of the greatest examples of this hero-villain dynamic working well.
Disney seems to struggle with this a lot.
Kylo Ren x Ray / Raylo (Cough Cough)
Great Job, if only the show would've actually been like this...
I'm noticing a pattern of "hey do you remember this character? Let's give them a show!" and less of "Hey, these characters are loved by the fans, let's take our time to construct a decent narrative that compliment these characters"
Get this man a pen and som paper and let him cook the Star Wars Obi-Wan we deserve
How sad is it that these youtube fanfics are better than the actual studio production
Leia being a hyper aware child is just so lame.
My question is when did they make lightsabers so weak
If you got hit by a lightsaber I would think it would kill you almost immediately unless you were like Darthvader or Darth Mall powerful
But it looks like a stab in the chest wouldn’t even kill somebody just hurt there feelings
Destruction for sure is the best answer. Not everyone needs to be redeemed - just like in the real world, most of the time, bad people don't come around and say "oh I was a bad guy."
In the OT, obi-wan is very adamant that Anakin is dead, and that Luke must face him. Obi-wan never seems confident in Luke's ability to turn Vader back to the light - he even says "he's more machine now than man - twisted and evil."
We know obi-wan couldn't bring himself to kill Vader in ROTS, and him defeating Reva would show a change in his character, him realizing that had he finished off Vader he could have saved a lot of pain and suffering. By killing Reva, it would have shown how he is changing his actions to account for what he may feel was a mistake. It would then be more in line with how obi-wan talks about Vader in the OT.
Didn't watch the video but I always felt like Reva should've been a main character from the beginning working with Obiwan. Her arc has so many problems. It could even mirror Qui-gon and Obi's relationship from episode 1 with Vader as the Maul figure.
@Disney
HIRE THIS MAN
A scary mask goes a long way too.
Honestly Riva didn’t bother me too much what bothered me was how Vader acted, grabbed a whole ship with one hand and instead of having the real ship leave while he’s doing it they wait till he destroys the ship ripping it onto the ground to lift off making it look like he easily could have just grabbed the second and chose not to. Then when Obi-Wan leaves the main group to save everyone by diverting attention, rather than go after him alone since Vader wanted a solo battle. Vader diverts the attention of the fleet and follows Obi-Wan only to then tell his lackies to ready his personal ship… Vader is one of the best pilots due to his connection with the force why would he divert the attention of his entire fleet just to fight Obi-Wan alone when he could easily have had both options and stomped the rebellion and got Obi-Wan? Seems like such lazy writing. I also wasn’t a fan of Obi-Wan’s progression with reaccepting the force. It was beyond exponential, he went from being like less than a padawan back to Jedi master in like under an episode. Considering how long it took him to begin to reaccept the force I would’ve liked to see a more gradual progression especially since the reason he beats Vader isn’t meant to be in strength but in control
It honestly blows my mind how much this show lifted from Fallen Order. I liked that game quite a bit but PLEASE Disney tell your own story
I prefer the destruction ending since it is more badass and tragic.
Reva character(first 2 to 3 episodes): is basically so-called angry black female profile trope.
I actually liked Ingram's acting. Like the prequels I think the issue was solely and squarely on the directing. Especially in a lot of the action scenes and duologue
I think Ingram demonstrated a capable range, but the decision to base her character off of a third grade bully was a poor one that made Reva less impactful and intimidating.
Qui Gon Jin cried in heaven😞
You can't fix a child in grown up's clothes.
This is a good rework but I feel Star Wars is facing a growing issue where too many villains are cheaply redeemed (often times in death).
Kylo takes the cake for the biggest cop out “redemption”. Luke nearly killed him in his sleep but going so far to join the First Order? To act as the tip of the spear in their conquest and description of worlds? And it’s all good cause he imagines the ghost of his dad forgiving him.
i cant wait for the reva movie starring chris pratt
ASHOKA! We already have a GOOD woman fighting Sith Ashoka. We need a BAD women fighting Jedi aka REVA. Reva turning good is just following Ashoka path. I think it interesting, some SW fans hating on the character Reva after 1 season but at first didn’t ‘t like Ashoka . These same fans gave the character and SW writers a chance to fix the character. Ashoka a hit now. Reva deserve that same chance.
As much as people like redemption arcs, it doesn't really fit into the OT for Obi-Wan to have redeemed a dark side wielder, because both Obi-Wan and Yoda tell Luke that redemption is impossible, something which Obi-Wan would know to be false if he had already witnessed it
This story for Reva is so much better. I think destruction is the better option since the redemption arc is so overdone nowadays.
Whos the guy in the mask?
Option 2!
great story!
The actress seemed to be aching for a more a interesting villainous character to display. Oh well, she played these terrible cards the best she could.
where is the animated sith on the thumbnail from
things that you have to understand about the batch of writers at disney, most of the characters are all self inserts, so they can see their fanfic come alive on screen, it comes off as really bad Forum Roleplay threads.
mixing the both would probably be cool
The problem with modern day villains is the push by disney to make them all so sympathetic to the point where you can't tell if they're even supposed to be the bad guy in the story. I don't mind a sympathetic villain, but disney seems to think that giving the villain a sympathetic reason to be the way they are mirrors real life, but it doesn't; a lot of people irl are just bad and there's no justification for their actions. It's that stupid, "don't judge, because you don't know what that person is going through" mantra. I get it, you want to make realistic villains, but the best way to make realistic isn't to make them all sympathetic, it's to make very few sympathetic and the rest just bad people.
Saying they changed Reva
My brain: That's right writers give up on a new inquisitor don't make any fucking effort to give the character anything interesting or new.
I would like the redemption one because no one just leaves the inquisitors or the empire
I personally didnt think she was that bad of a character. She is far from my fav Inquisitor. But still.
Its not that far-fetched she survived the Temple massacre. Is it any different than a school shooting? Anikan was mowing thru jedi left and right. And with the clones shooting it was chaos.
She wanted revenge on Vader- makes sense. BUT her slow descent into the Dark Side is her undoing. I get the impression that while serving as a Inquisitor/ wanting revenge on Vader for what he did, she slowing became accustomed to her new role. As if she fell in love with her killers so to say. Being a survivor, her new station probably gives her perks/protection from persecution unlike other jedi. But the dark side slowly demented her lol
Same applies to her trying to kill Luke. Its a sick, demented/twisted form of justice. But thats just from what I saw.
I’m gonna go one step further and say I don’t think there should be any Inquisitors whatsoever, at least not force-users. Vader and Palpatine would not suffer “rivals” or other dark side lackeys. That and I’m sick and tired of the millions of jedi that are apparently alive and kicking still during the Original Trilogy when they should all be dead except Obi Wan and Yoda. I’m gonna get a lot of flak for this but the only “sith assassin” that ever worked was Starkiller.
Damn, you didn’t just fixed Reva, you fixed the entire show. The idea of Obi-Wan following Reva’s trail of murders and destruction sounds like a very thrilling storyline. Not to mention, you wrote out all of the contrived and/or canon-breaking story elements like Leia’s kidnapping and Obi-Wan’s rematches with Vader, to name a couple. If only modern Star Wars was written by people with some actual talent.
And here I thought people don’t want 6th brother type inquisitor just like 3rd sister sheers the fan base is going everywhere
Really sucks because you can tell her actor really cared and tried to stay on script. It sucks that she got a shitty part, I hope we maybe see her in something else (better written)
In your place i whould go with a combination of both Destruction and Redemption.
Reva whould have sacrifice herself in oreder to save Obi Wan and some other Jedi from Darth Vader.
I'm kind of tired of seeing villains getting redeemed, I want to see them die, especially if they're like Reva.
You can't fix Reva, only make an entirely different character in her skin
this sounds like the plots for the original version of the show but i assume it got corporate and they thought they could squeeze more money out of a “old man you shouldn’t have fucked with” plot. but good job bro
What i realised, Disney Reva is the face of inquisitorium where they are all mediocre fallen Jedi whom at most terrible at slaying Jedi but pretty excellent at scorch planet.
I now understood Vader had to be there all the time because of Mediocrity.
“Fixing”? No. To fix Disney Star Wars is to DELETE Disney Star Wars from both canon and head canon.