I work in cybersecurity. Getting rid of those Star Destroyers after JFO would be like corporate getting rid of our network firewall because someone snuck a USB drive with malware into the building and plugged it into a server.
"Shit, the higher ups at Disney siad we gotta extend this story into a series sized one instead of a film" "Dang, how are we gonna write things to fill for the times? The plot we wrote aren't written to go that long" "Oh yeah, I know, let's have a character subplot! It helps pad the story out!" "Good idea! But what will it be about though? We don't have much time" "I know... Let's rip a page of the only other successful pre-rebellion story during Disney era!" "Noice! While we're at it, let's cast a 'minority' as said character! Kathleen will be pleased to see this!"
Is it weird I've been excited how Fallen Order smashes Disney to pieces. It doesn't alienate anyone and you can see the bonding scenes happen naturally and not force pushed into our senses. Thanks again for all the hard work you guys do. 😁👍
Very true. The “bonding” between Obi and Leia that happens in OWK is so forced and blatantly written. Again, it feels like they spent about 5 minutes writing it all
@@gamervet4760 What worries me is that the sequel, Jedi Survivor, has a few too many references to the trash heap known as the High Republic, starting with the main villains. And the tie-in novel, Jedi Battle Scars, is penned by none other than SJW extraordinaire Sam Maggs, who was working on the KOTOR remake up until last year.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 That is bad news. I also don't like the fact that Illium is being hollowed out. I mean why would Palpatine build the Death Star if Starkiller was being built. Not to mention the construction and use of it is scientifically impossible. I was going to shrug it off but it bothers me and I don't think I'll be getting Survivor.
The worst part is the writers aren't lazy, they are just not skilled in the craft. Most of them do not have a single notable project under their belts. And Disney hired them to write a story in a complex universe in a major IP. This is another common Disney management issue. They literally made the same mistake they did with the sequels: not prioritize the writing at all. They aren't smart enough to figure out that the writing is the most important part of storytelling, regardless of the medium.
The writing in the prequels was far worse than mostly anything we’ve gotten from Disney. But there is a general lack of care put into this show on their part. I’m sure they figured that people will watch the show anyway so there’s no point in making it any good. The worst part is some people were as blinded from nostalgia as they were banking on
And then somehow the director. Who directed one of my favourite episodes of better call Saul, and some mandalorian episodes does the worst job of directing I’ve ever seen. Some of the establishing shots were nice but every time there was a fight scene she couldn’t help but use that god forsaken fucking shaky cam
@@vengeance93826 The writing in the prequels wasn't far worse. Writing isn't just dialogue, it's also the character motivations and events. Lucas did write really cringe dialogue, but there's never a point in the prequels that doesn't make in-universe sense. You can always understand how and why everyone does everything. A lot of Disney Star Wars can't say the same and the dialogue for the most part isn't good or bad enough to really justify that.
All of the fans viewed Obi Wan Kenobi and Book of Boba as sacred ips, one that should be treated with care and respect. There was little thought put into it and it's ostracised so many fans. Obi Wan Kenobi had so much potential but once again Disney illustrated they do not understand the characterisation of star wars. Ashoka with Thrawn and the rebel gang seems to be loyal thus far and hopefully more projects will be good like that
The difference between Fallen Order, showing the Empire and the inquisitors, as an actual threat, that the heroes have to outsmart, outmaneuver, and still manage to only escape by the skin of their teeth. The Writers built a fortress, with realistic defenses, and then actually had to figure out a plan how someone could infiltrate the base. VS this . . . Slap a stormtrooper, and walk out in a trench coat. The Writers bludgeon the bad guys with the idiot stick so hard that it put them on life-support. This doesn't make the bad guys seem like a threat, just as a joke. This doesn't make us impressed with the heroes, just embarrassed at how lucky they got. For them to rely so heavily on the game, it would have been a perfect opportunity for them to bring in Cal, or at least reference, "I only heard of 1 person who managed to get in and out of that fortress." But I guess they didn't want to give credit to a "lowly" video game. And then they went on to steal the best scene from Rebels in the last episode . .
What's annoying is that blasters of black-armoured shock troopers make the same unique sound they had in Rebels show...How can they be so attentive to this tiny detail and so blindly ignorant to the stupidity of everything else that happens in Kenobi?
Probably cause some people working on the show knew what they were doing and respected the universe and others with more authority in the project were just there to boost their careers
@@mikeandjendoumitt5948 I think that's due to the Empire moving away from the Clone Wars completely, which makes sense. According to the Bad Batch they started making TK armor right away for volunteers that join the Empire after the fall of the Republic. So those Purge Troopers are slowly changing their aesthetic to the Empire's aesthetic. So I don't see that as a problem, just the way they were used you know?
That's the problem since 2019. It's not movies or shows anymore. It's just doing exactly what the dumbest and loudest star wars fans bully them into. As long as people keep watching this crap for manchildren it won't change.
I am maybe mistaking but I heard the main writer literally said he hadn’t saw Star Wars so he and his team saw a summary, and given the scrip makes sense
Seen it or not, I think the bigger problem is that they write everything based on a brainstorming session of what kind of scenes, characters, or features would be "cool" to have. Then they shape a generic storyline into a way to tie all those elements together (no matter how sloppy). The result is a total lack of consequences, grounding in reality, and believable story. Kenobi, Book of Bob Feet, and such have really lost any sense of Star wars taking itself seriously. It has become nothing more than cheap action, fan servicing (what does that even mean at this point), and toy sales. Andor is the first star wars entity since Rogue One (other than Mando season 1) to take itself seriously.
This has been, without question, my personal biggest gripe with this show. People have talked before about how other things (Vader fighting kenobi before ANH, kenobi meeting leia, etc) already make problems with the pre-established canon, but somehow *nobody* has talked about this, which completely undermines the entire climax of fallen order. I'm so relieved to see someone bring this up finally, great analysis
Obi wan fighting those stormtroopers in the dark torture chamber really tryed to be Starkiller escaping his cell in the force unleashed, but instead forgot how lightsabers work.
You can also argue that in fallen order, the defenses were intentionally lightened just enough to allow kal and cere in, but not enough to make it blatantly obvious it was a trap. Plausibly vader wanted to lure cere and kal in, either to eliminate them or turn them into inquisitors, which wouldn't work if they were vaporized the instant they dropped out of hyperspace.
I had no issue with them using the trench coat to hide Leia. What I DO take issue with is no one noticing. Not even Reva seems to notices them. The way she calls them out is like she already knew where they were exactly. As for the snowspeeders, I hate them. Just everything seems wrong about them. They look too small. Heck that scene of Reva "fighting" one shows off how tiny these ships are.
Why wouldn't you still take issue with it then. That was Jedi master/council member/war hero Obi Wan Kenobi's legitimate plan for sneaking Leia out and thought it even had a chance of working. Major character fuck up... Maybe not for him in the show though.
@@spartansquid5931 I took it as a sign of how desperate they are to flee the place. Any plan will do, they just needed to get the hell out. It is a place where they torture, kill, stuff, and mount children on the walls. Granted the general incompetence of the Inquisitors undermines the threat they are supposed to be feeling. In a pocket, it works for me. Added to everything else, it doesn't make sense.
See, I'm not a professional. But the way I would have written it would have been to not have them on fortress inquisitorius at all. If it HAD to be there... The moon now has a shield gate, just like Scarif in rogue one. Traffic in and out is heavily controlled, the gate well guarded. Tala bluffs her way through using some older security codes (callback to RotJ.) but this raises a flag with security. Obiwan remains well hidden aboard a secret compartment in the ship. They land and Tala is met by several armed stormtroopers and the head security officer. They inform her that her codes are out of date and that she's under arrest on suspicion of treason. It is here that Tala uses the "I'm a double agent, I was undercover and now have important intel to report." The flight deck is not heavily populated once the security force leaves with Tala, a few mechanics and technicians milling about but Obiwan is able to quietly sneak out of the ship and into the fortress proper. He finds his way to the cell where they're keeping Leia and uses a mind trick on the trooper standing guard, convincing him to drop his blaster and swap places with Leia. Using the stealth and guile he's known for, Obiwan smuggles Leia back to the ship, using that force knock technique to clear a path at one point. Once he has her safely hidden away he waits for Tala to return, though as time passes he begins to suspect her cover has been cracked. Ensuring Leia will remain hidden and safe, he heads back into the fortress, and this time stops a security officer, mind tricking them into giving up Talas location. He learns she's being held in an interrogation room, waiting for Lord Vader to arrive as he expressed interest in debriefing her himself due to her claimed knowledge of Kenobi. Obiwan manages to free her, he can even kill the stormtroopers guarding her if you really want. Then they make their way back to the ship. Tala reveals that thanks to her slight of hand and cunning, she switched one of the officers security cylinders that has the current codes with her own. They return to the ship and take off, the updated codes now allowing them to freely leave the gate. As they jump to hyperspace, the camera pans left and Vaders Star Destroyer appears. The rest of the scene can play out as normal, Vader throwing Reva around, reva explaining she put a tracker in the droid etc.
You have more common sense and talent than most of the star wars writers nowadays. Reading that was genuinely compelling and sounds like a much more believable situation 🤣
Fortress Inquisitorius should have been the Citadel from Clone Wars. It was the perfect location for it and was already designed to imprison Jedi. Just give its security a few touchups after the events in the Clone Wars and there you go. It would also make sense seeing as Vader knows about the Citadel's formidability first hand.
@AvatarIroh05 If I remember it was indeed the Inquisitor HQ at first but later keeping them all in Coruscant became a danger because two Inquisitors fell in love and tried to run away while making a mess in Coruscant, thats why their HQ got changed
This is just another example of writers being too lazy to apply logic to their stories. I mean it's an Imperial Fortress home to Darth Vader's task force of Jedi Hunters, and the security is about as serious as a circus. There's not a single ship in orbit to scan and clear incoming vessels. The lead security officer of all people just buys into whatever a random lady says without checking to confirm anything. Along with all the other stupid things that happened, it really makes the Empire look stupid if one of the most well defended Imperial facilities is has a security personnel that cannot notice a guy clearly hiding a child under his coat. I mean it's bad enough that they're copying from Fallen Order, but at least put some effort into it.
Let's be real... The person in charge of security died a very painful death after the events of Fallen Order, and this lapse in security in Kenobi is definitely on someone else :P
What I also find weird is how only Scariff has a planetary defense shield and multiple ISD's for protection, but then the Planet that houses the Headquarters of the Imperial Inquisition which has some of the empires biggest secrets inside.
Yeah, it's flay out commical how inexplicably bad the security in the fortress is during Kenobi, but I suppose it matches the inquizitors from the show, who are just goofy comic book villains with all the weight and pressence of a power rangers monster.
Jedi: Survivor also adds on to that first assumption about the characters maybe not knowing about the Fortress and the incursion by Cal and Cere since Cere herself created the Hidden Path
This show takes so much in terms of story from fallen order, even down to beats like the two main characters needing to reconnect with the force, and it's hilarious how poorly it does it
I'm surprised that you didn't mention that snowspeeders use ship-grade blasters, and it shouldn't be possible to deflect them with a lightsaber period.
@@Straswa They can now apparently. What strikes me the most is that a single X or Y wing would probably destroy this entire base, considering how two snow speeders managed to get through like that
I'd just like to add, Andor did the "no-ones stupid enough to attack" thing well. The REASON no-one would be stupid enough to attack is because there was an airfield just a few minutes away, so the window would be tiny and you wouldn't be able to escape even if you did attack the compound. Similarly there was a definite reason why they COULD attack that mitigated that factor.
Obi-Wan was fighting off the Stormtroopers with his reignited Force and lightsaber skills inside the fortress, but once they got to the hangar, he somehow forgot how to Jedi and switched back to his blaster.
I saw the thumbnail and thought, "Knowing the fandom, someone will probably make a rewrite and reedit of Obi-Wan that is halfway decent" After this, I'm glad to know there's already is! I've been on the fence about taking time to play Fallen Order, and know I feel I have to now
Also, the scene where Obi-Wan’s lightsaber bounces off Stormtroopers in a dark room looks conspicuously similar to the much better scene in the Force Unleashed 2 E3 trailer.
1:39 You're implying Disney respects supplementary canon. They have demonstrated that they don't by overwriting the Ahsoka novel, and some other people better up-to-date on book/comic canon can probably tell you more.
How cool would it have been if fallen order was referenced in a subtle way in kenobi. "it was broken into a couple of years ago, and they have since ramped security, so we are going to have to be extra smart and careful to make sure our plan succeeds". Would be a nice little nod to anyone who has played fallen order, but wouldn't hinder the viewing experience of anyone who hasn't. Instead we got a trench coat. I hate disney.
Yeah but coming up with a new, unique, and inventive plan to bypass the Fortress's extra security would have required creativity and thought from the writers, and we can't have that, can we?
i just assumed fallen order took place after the obi show (since i'm new to star wars etc, don't bully me) but i'm now noticing how poorly written and made the show was, sad it didn't live up to it's hype
If you look at it from a certain point of view is pretty good, after seeing this scene nobody is gonna look after in universe explanations for the plot armor xd
"This base has no shields, no fleet guarding it, no special security measures or systems to counter specific entry methods, and lackluster security- Because it's so well protected."
Snowspeeders in water and sewage? I'm begining to think they get off on insulting Star Wars fans. Or just trying to destroy what people love because they didn't make it or whatever. Point is it's fucked.
@@jlord5078 My point was they had to go out of their way to literally shit on the snowspeeder. Because The Empire Strikes back is most classic fans favorite movie of the bunch.
I can't believe they were just like "we haven't got any good ideas of our own, so we'll just copy a better Star Wars thing and make it 100× worse". On second thought, sadly I can.
@Master Samwise here is the only explanation I can think of. This is a separate fortress on a different (much greener) water world. This one has no defenses because no one would be dumb enough to attack this one because they have the other fortress.
oh my god i knew the inquisitorius stuff from kenobi was dumb already but it didn't even occur to me that it all happens AFTER Fallen Order... good spot man
The Empire hates their Inquisitors Obviously. I would too if I had a branch that was formed around a bunch of weirdos that use their Lightsabers as Helicopters
Ok seriously, someone pls give the Coreographer help. I mean come on, we saw Obi Wan do some Aikido and it's... passable. But then there's this. You know, maybe hand-to-hand isn't the Coreographer's Specialty. Maybe it's Weapons Fighting. Maybe just give her a Baton or a Bludgeon, or maybe an improvised weapon. Seeing her beating the devil out of Stormtroopers with a Steel Bucket from the ground would have more oomph than that slap.
You’re giving the writers too much credit. It seems they are more than just incompetent at writing. It’s more like they just didn’t know how to write at all. It’s like when you read your 8 year old sister’s story about ponies. It’s not that she’s an incompetent writer, she just doesn’t know the first thing about storytelling. And of course, you can’t chide your sister on her story’s lack of basic continuity and logic. I’m honestly not even mad. I mean, what can we expect. These poor bastards shouldn’t have been hired in the first place.
You know what I first thought of when I saw that scene of reva and the ship? I thought the ship is going to fly at her and she’ll cut it in half like Rey did in the sequels… except she doesn’t do that… she just stands there. Like seriously what the fuck….
Doesn’t need to be in the same chain of command. A higher officer is a higher officer, no matter what. Unless you are on a direct order of a higher officer of the aforementioned higher officer, or in direct command of another officer of atleast the same rank as the one giving the new order. That said, no soldier is obligated to carry out ”suicide” orders.
Why even is there glass windows in that underwater tunnel you'd think after the last time the place got infiltrated Darth Vader would have ordered that shit covered up with durasteel or something.
The stunt acting in these scenes you mentioned is absolutely pathetic too. First trooper gets hit in the chest and *leans forward*, which is the opposite of what would happen. The second trooper gets slashed from left to right but spins TO HIS LEFT, the opposite of how the momentum of the strike would have sent him.
It’s incredible anyone liked this show. However the best explanation I heard for the lightsabers acting like bats is that they have a cutting edge much like an actual Saber and the DarkSaber itself. And that it takes skill to use that cutting edge effectively
I still cannot believe the writers got a pass nearly plagiarizing Jedi the fallen order. As soon as I saw it on screen with Obi Wan, I instantly remembered playing it and thought that they literally just copy and pasted the entire excursion. What made it worse is that I hardly heard anyone talking about it, but instead praised the show for how Obi Wan fought Vader in a fight that should never have happened as it pushes the boundaries of cannon far to much to be believable. It was a cool fight if it made sense leading into the original trilogy.
Feel like the writers of the show wrote this having to keep the game events canon but in the mind set that no one played the game...when mostly everyone has played the game lmao.
I imagine myself in the position of the new security chief after my predecessor mysteriously chocked to death on their own spit, possibly in the presence of Lord Vader, or the head inquisitor and I would pull all registers and hope that is enough to avoid having Lord Vader accept my apology. First I would probably set up a Scarif type shield as well as a set of weapons platforms and a heavy duty extremely intrusive scanning on a station in orbit with purge troopers and ISB personel that is not disliked by said purge troopers, kind of the lose guns and extremely methodical individuals. And since you have to walk from one hangar to the other through a corridor with blast doors multiple sets of scanners you can't really hide and hiding anything will be extremely hard. If you manage to infiltrate teh station it either tries to kill you, or failing that get's blown out of the sky by the two star destroyer and serval arquitens which patrol teh system. Should you survive that you'll find the shield gate closed off and the aforementioned ships and weapons platforms angrily reducing wreck pieces and ships to metal vapor. Should you get through the shield anyway, well there's TIE fighters of different designs (reaper, phantom, defender) would not only swarm the system, but also the air space around the fortress. As for the air locks und the water surface, all entrances not main entrances would have an extra airlock which has in it 2 purge trooper, one ISB agent two KX-enforcer units and for good measure at least one DT unit as well as a scanner chamber and auto turrets. Also the airlock and scanner chamber can be weaponised with taking the oxigen out of them, or flooding them with some form of poison for good measure. As for the actual fortress, well our gracious host had stated enough measures about the flaws, now all these measures aren't perfect but in the event things go wrong you can confidently say to Vader that budgetary constraints forced you to draw a line at some point and that clearly protocol wasn't follewed, which is a shame because one now can be sure to take the blame for those that did it without them ever learning the lesson themselves. At this point requesting a single shot disruptor pistol for "personal use" would hopefully appease Vader enough to not go after the entire family, or something.
I just finished Fallen Order for the first time, and I'm even more baffled now at the lack of security on this station seen in Kenobi. On one hand, I love the attention to detail on that show when it comes to the props and set pieces, because it visually looks like the fortress in fallen order, but the vibe in the show is totally lacking. Incredibly lazy writing on the show, and we didn't even get any purge trooper fights--those were so much fun in Fallen Order! The whole purpose of the Purge Troopers was to fight and apprehend Jedi. So much wasted potential for a Kenobi series
I didnt have high expectations for this show before seeing ths trailer, but when I realized that we were going to see Fortress Inquisitorious I hyped a little since I really enjoyed SWJFO. Now I wish it was never shown, this was ths worse part of ths show
It's almost become pointless to criticize the stupidity of Disney Star Wars at this point. It hard to believe that this stuff comes from the same place. You can't help but feel that things like this, because of the scope of the show, gets lots of hands-on meddling by Disney execs, but then these games and shows like Andor simply aren't big enough for them to care.
Almost pointless, yes. But also very fun lol. And it’s worth it to point out that Disney can’t just slap together a story in one afternoon, throw in a couple of beloved characters, and fool EVERYONE into thinking it’s good.
Was the empire on a budget? Could they not just afford to put a shield there? You take safety precautions for important places, even if you doubt someone would try to attack it because you don’t want to be the one responsible in case someone does attack
How this snowspeeders can even shot "her"(dont remember the name) from such close range, she could just stay between this two guns and shots would miss her
Yeah, of course they wouldn’t know about the attack on the fortress, it’s not like they have direct connections to Cere Junda and Eno Cordova. (Not sarcastic enough. They very much do‼️‼️)
Also, the scenes with Obi-Wan cutting through Stormtroopers in the dark, igniting and shutting down his saber, is a ripoff from the Force Unleashed 2 trailer
The people making a film out of the good parts of this series are the real MVP’s. I was in disbelief when I saw how comically bad this show was. Now we have S3 of Mando that was also an absolute joke. They need new writing rooms and less Kathleen Kennedy. Preferably writers who have actually watched the films and know the characters.
Kenobi producers: we didn’t have the budget for Animating Star Destroyers since Disney gave most of their money towards the Andor show (Andor is still a great show though)
Did Andor really get more budget than OWK? I know it’s longer, but dang you’d think the producers would be all in on a show about OBI-WAN KENOBI. Though maybe they figured the name recognition would be enough and they could just crank out some cheap sludge and still get lots of viewers…
@@master_samwise many believe it is due to the quality in CGI and the Actors. I guess if your getting Tony Gilroy involved it’s best not to settle for half measures
@@master_samwise This, and its been strongly rumored that Obi Wan was supposed to be a movie (as well as Boba Fett) but for various reasons, they decided to turn them into series. So naturally they need some more material to pad the length.
It’s insane how bad the speeders look in this episode. They don’t blend into the scene at all - the scale and perspective is wrong, they move strangely, the characters don’t seem to react to them properly, etc. It’s pathetic when you consider that the speeders in Empire Strikes Back look way better, and those were made using manual film splices and stop-motion animation!
Plus they just fly into the hangar at full speed with no maneuvering room. If they actually flew in like that they would have crashed, but the show just yada-yada's them out of the scene until they're needed again.
@@EmberOldAccount If you do, make sure to set in the EU instead of Disney, and reference John Jackson Miller's Kenobi novel, the Last of The Jedi novels where he helps Ferus Olin and his bout with A'Sharad Hett (a.k.a. future Darth Krayt) shown as a flashback in the Legacy comics.
This series is just indescribably shit, thank you for making this video, I'm fed up of these terrible series. I really hope the future ones take a leaf out of Andor's book and actually have good writing. The fact they so BLATANTLY took SO MUCH from SWFO is insane.
Somehow tala was the most interesting side charecter in the show.. and she wasn't even that good either, the best part of this show was just any scene with vader
i don't know about you, but i could make a story more logical than that (though maybe not with any consistent charecter arc or emotional throughline) in a single afternoon!
We needed magic they got Disney bs seriously I made sure I killed every trooper I could when doing that mission I nearly failed during the Vader scenes jut to be petty against troopers and yet they don’t have enough for kal that would have been funny where obiwan met kal and they go like hello there and go their separate ways
Not only did this mess of a show rip off fallen order..But it also ripped off Force Unleashed 2 with that ridiculous scene were Obi-Wan was chopping down the Stormtrooper tree to rescue Leia in that dark room..Not only were the Star Destroyers gone...But no gun emplacements.No Fighters patrols..No shields , no one even watching the sensors...Plus they made Darth Vader into an idiot..
@@master_samwise Exactly Master Samwise..Reeva should not be alive.Not only does she know a secret that only Darth Vader and the Emperor know..She allowed Kenobi to escape and was let off the hook by saying she planted a tracer on his ship..In other words she let them escape..and Vader was like..DUHHHHHHHHH....
If it's not in the title crawl it didn't happen. These cross medium stories aren't supposed to be contiguous cannon and no Disney lawyer or proclamation by pope George himself can make it otherwise. I don't watch James Bond and wonder why it contradicts 007 Golden Eye.
Let's be real, the whole Fortress Inquisitorious episode was an obvious bait episode with no substance for the fans of the game. Everything was pretty much the exact same as in the game, except 100 times worse.
She's also not a sir.😂😂😂 You should compile all the pathetic action scenes into a vid and set it to Benny Hill's chase theme. Oh that would be worth all the rife Disney has brought upon us. 😂😂😂😂😂
"She's also not a sir. 😂😂😂" I don't think you understand the military (this goes for Star Wars, as well). Your commanding officer doesn't use their gender, so you just address them as sir. Not ma'am. Even if they're a woman.
@@ECSOrder66 I was in the army. I did a tour. It's why I have Vet in my name. In my time of service I have always been told sir for a man and ma'am for a woman if they're officers. Maybe it's different in other branches but my brother hasn't told me any different and he's in the Navy currently.
@@gamervet4760 Very interesting. Still, OP was wrong to say that. There are militaries that do not use their gender for a commanding officer, you just use "sir", it's even shown in TCW, so Idk why OP did that. 😕
@@ECSOrder66 The Rebels were (I have to emphasize were here cause Disney doesn't understand George) based on WW2 units. Which is why the space battles were so awesome and full of different ships. Even the toys had Rebels and Empire characters that had roles specific to their section, they were only on screen for a flash but they have a role. Disney doesn't care or understand established rules, which is why they use hyper space flight as a weapon in The Last Jedi. Also Disney is an American company. Why would they use foreign military conventions? Unless, they hate America, that's crazy though. Right?
@@master_samwise You could say that again lol. Though I’ve already offended some people I know even putting the words “kenobi” and “bad” in the same sentence. Some people just aren’t prepared to accept objective criticism I suppose smh The satisfaction of ripping into something is always a nice perk tho lol
these star destroyers are expensive
I work in cybersecurity. Getting rid of those Star Destroyers after JFO would be like corporate getting rid of our network firewall because someone snuck a USB drive with malware into the building and plugged it into a server.
"Tell that to the Rebellion"
@@Jetpower485 "Tell that to the Covenant."
The worst part about the trenchcoat scene is there's like actual, real people defending it
I loved it. I mean sure, if you want things to be serious then yea it's bad, but I thought it was great.
“StAr WaRs HaS aLwAyS bEeN gOfFy”
@@alabaster7958 how?
DICKBENDER
@@alabaster7958 do you by chance, have brain damage?
The more I watch Kenobi, the more I realise it’s just a worse fallen order
It's like a Fallen Order parody. Like Force Awakens is a parody of New Hope.
This is how i feel about the Kenobi series:
-Mom can we get "fallen order" ???
-No we have "fallen order" at home
The "fallen order" at home:
"Shit, the higher ups at Disney siad we gotta extend this story into a series sized one instead of a film"
"Dang, how are we gonna write things to fill for the times? The plot we wrote aren't written to go that long"
"Oh yeah, I know, let's have a character subplot! It helps pad the story out!"
"Good idea! But what will it be about though? We don't have much time"
"I know... Let's rip a page of the only other successful pre-rebellion story during Disney era!"
"Noice! While we're at it, let's cast a 'minority' as said character! Kathleen will be pleased to see this!"
Worse? You just mean bad right? Worse implies that “Fallen Order” was bad. Which it wasn’t.
@@IvanKinkle "Worse" doesn't necessarily mean bad. Perhaps they could've worded it like "less good version of Fallen Order" instead.
Is it weird I've been excited how Fallen Order smashes Disney to pieces. It doesn't alienate anyone and you can see the bonding scenes happen naturally and not force pushed into our senses. Thanks again for all the hard work you guys do. 😁👍
Very true. The “bonding” between Obi and Leia that happens in OWK is so forced and blatantly written. Again, it feels like they spent about 5 minutes writing it all
@@master_samwise Cal has some good makings and is a great stand in for a new Luke type. Shame Disney just can't commit.
@@gamervet4760 What worries me is that the sequel, Jedi Survivor, has a few too many references to the trash heap known as the High Republic, starting with the main villains. And the tie-in novel, Jedi Battle Scars, is penned by none other than SJW extraordinaire Sam Maggs, who was working on the KOTOR remake up until last year.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 That is bad news. I also don't like the fact that Illium is being hollowed out. I mean why would Palpatine build the Death Star if Starkiller was being built. Not to mention the construction and use of it is scientifically impossible. I was going to shrug it off but it bothers me and I don't think I'll be getting Survivor.
And why the hell isn’t Fallen Order on Disney’s movie slate? Oh, right, the male lead isn’t a whipped pussy, sorry, my bad.
The worst part is the writers aren't lazy, they are just not skilled in the craft. Most of them do not have a single notable project under their belts. And Disney hired them to write a story in a complex universe in a major IP. This is another common Disney management issue. They literally made the same mistake they did with the sequels: not prioritize the writing at all. They aren't smart enough to figure out that the writing is the most important part of storytelling, regardless of the medium.
"No no no, it's the fans that are wrong for pointing out the issues."
The writing in the prequels was far worse than mostly anything we’ve gotten from Disney. But there is a general lack of care put into this show on their part. I’m sure they figured that people will watch the show anyway so there’s no point in making it any good. The worst part is some people were as blinded from nostalgia as they were banking on
And then somehow the director. Who directed one of my favourite episodes of better call Saul, and some mandalorian episodes does the worst job of directing I’ve ever seen. Some of the establishing shots were nice but every time there was a fight scene she couldn’t help but use that god forsaken fucking shaky cam
@@vengeance93826 The writing in the prequels wasn't far worse. Writing isn't just dialogue, it's also the character motivations and events. Lucas did write really cringe dialogue, but there's never a point in the prequels that doesn't make in-universe sense. You can always understand how and why everyone does everything. A lot of Disney Star Wars can't say the same and the dialogue for the most part isn't good or bad enough to really justify that.
All of the fans viewed Obi Wan Kenobi and Book of Boba as sacred ips, one that should be treated with care and respect. There was little thought put into it and it's ostracised so many fans. Obi Wan Kenobi had so much potential but once again Disney illustrated they do not understand the characterisation of star wars. Ashoka with Thrawn and the rebel gang seems to be loyal thus far and hopefully more projects will be good like that
The difference between Fallen Order, showing the Empire and the inquisitors, as an actual threat, that the heroes have to outsmart, outmaneuver, and still manage to only escape by the skin of their teeth. The Writers built a fortress, with realistic defenses, and then actually had to figure out a plan how someone could infiltrate the base.
VS this . . . Slap a stormtrooper, and walk out in a trench coat. The Writers bludgeon the bad guys with the idiot stick so hard that it put them on life-support. This doesn't make the bad guys seem like a threat, just as a joke. This doesn't make us impressed with the heroes, just embarrassed at how lucky they got.
For them to rely so heavily on the game, it would have been a perfect opportunity for them to bring in Cal, or at least reference, "I only heard of 1 person who managed to get in and out of that fortress." But I guess they didn't want to give credit to a "lowly" video game. And then they went on to steal the best scene from Rebels in the last episode . .
What's annoying is that blasters of black-armoured shock troopers make the same unique sound they had in Rebels show...How can they be so attentive to this tiny detail and so blindly ignorant to the stupidity of everything else that happens in Kenobi?
They are purge trooper. Train to kill JEDI.
@@gabrielgendron4745 Nah. Not anymore. They're just there to look cool and menacing now.
They don't even look or work like purge troopers any more.
Probably cause some people working on the show knew what they were doing and respected the universe and others with more authority in the project were just there to boost their careers
@@mikeandjendoumitt5948 I think that's due to the Empire moving away from the Clone Wars completely, which makes sense. According to the Bad Batch they started making TK armor right away for volunteers that join the Empire after the fall of the Republic. So those Purge Troopers are slowly changing their aesthetic to the Empire's aesthetic. So I don't see that as a problem, just the way they were used you know?
I am under the firm belief that Star Wars producers haven't actually seen Star Wars.
That's the problem since 2019. It's not movies or shows anymore. It's just doing exactly what the dumbest and loudest star wars fans bully them into. As long as people keep watching this crap for manchildren it won't change.
I am maybe mistaking but I heard the main writer literally said he hadn’t saw Star Wars so he and his team saw a summary, and given the scrip makes sense
Seen it or not, I think the bigger problem is that they write everything based on a brainstorming session of what kind of scenes, characters, or features would be "cool" to have. Then they shape a generic storyline into a way to tie all those elements together (no matter how sloppy). The result is a total lack of consequences, grounding in reality, and believable story.
Kenobi, Book of Bob Feet, and such have really lost any sense of Star wars taking itself seriously. It has become nothing more than cheap action, fan servicing (what does that even mean at this point), and toy sales.
Andor is the first star wars entity since Rogue One (other than Mando season 1) to take itself seriously.
This has been, without question, my personal biggest gripe with this show. People have talked before about how other things (Vader fighting kenobi before ANH, kenobi meeting leia, etc) already make problems with the pre-established canon, but somehow *nobody* has talked about this, which completely undermines the entire climax of fallen order. I'm so relieved to see someone bring this up finally, great analysis
Obi wan fighting those stormtroopers in the dark torture chamber really tryed to be Starkiller escaping his cell in the force unleashed, but instead forgot how lightsabers work.
Lightsabers were in Fallen order gameplay mode...
@@Сайтамен Lightsabers were in The Force Unleashed gameplay mode
You can also argue that in fallen order, the defenses were intentionally lightened just enough to allow kal and cere in, but not enough to make it blatantly obvious it was a trap. Plausibly vader wanted to lure cere and kal in, either to eliminate them or turn them into inquisitors, which wouldn't work if they were vaporized the instant they dropped out of hyperspace.
I had no issue with them using the trench coat to hide Leia. What I DO take issue with is no one noticing. Not even Reva seems to notices them. The way she calls them out is like she already knew where they were exactly.
As for the snowspeeders, I hate them. Just everything seems wrong about them. They look too small. Heck that scene of Reva "fighting" one shows off how tiny these ships are.
I haven't watched the show but I need to ask... where did the Snow Speeders come from? They are not space worthy let alone hyperspace capable
@@CaptRex501st Not even the writers know hahah
Why wouldn't you still take issue with it then. That was Jedi master/council member/war hero Obi Wan Kenobi's legitimate plan for sneaking Leia out and thought it even had a chance of working. Major character fuck up... Maybe not for him in the show though.
@@CaptRex501st another ship carried them in, it's shown a little later.
@@spartansquid5931 I took it as a sign of how desperate they are to flee the place. Any plan will do, they just needed to get the hell out. It is a place where they torture, kill, stuff, and mount children on the walls.
Granted the general incompetence of the Inquisitors undermines the threat they are supposed to be feeling. In a pocket, it works for me. Added to everything else, it doesn't make sense.
The slapping scene is the most hilarious thing I have ever watched. Your comments on it were fantastic.
See, I'm not a professional. But the way I would have written it would have been to not have them on fortress inquisitorius at all.
If it HAD to be there... The moon now has a shield gate, just like Scarif in rogue one. Traffic in and out is heavily controlled, the gate well guarded.
Tala bluffs her way through using some older security codes (callback to RotJ.) but this raises a flag with security. Obiwan remains well hidden aboard a secret compartment in the ship.
They land and Tala is met by several armed stormtroopers and the head security officer. They inform her that her codes are out of date and that she's under arrest on suspicion of treason. It is here that Tala uses the "I'm a double agent, I was undercover and now have important intel to report."
The flight deck is not heavily populated once the security force leaves with Tala, a few mechanics and technicians milling about but Obiwan is able to quietly sneak out of the ship and into the fortress proper.
He finds his way to the cell where they're keeping Leia and uses a mind trick on the trooper standing guard, convincing him to drop his blaster and swap places with Leia.
Using the stealth and guile he's known for, Obiwan smuggles Leia back to the ship, using that force knock technique to clear a path at one point.
Once he has her safely hidden away he waits for Tala to return, though as time passes he begins to suspect her cover has been cracked.
Ensuring Leia will remain hidden and safe, he heads back into the fortress, and this time stops a security officer, mind tricking them into giving up Talas location. He learns she's being held in an interrogation room, waiting for Lord Vader to arrive as he expressed interest in debriefing her himself due to her claimed knowledge of Kenobi.
Obiwan manages to free her, he can even kill the stormtroopers guarding her if you really want. Then they make their way back to the ship. Tala reveals that thanks to her slight of hand and cunning, she switched one of the officers security cylinders that has the current codes with her own. They return to the ship and take off, the updated codes now allowing them to freely leave the gate. As they jump to hyperspace, the camera pans left and Vaders Star Destroyer appears. The rest of the scene can play out as normal, Vader throwing Reva around, reva explaining she put a tracker in the droid etc.
MUCH better, nice work.
You have more common sense and talent than most of the star wars writers nowadays. Reading that was genuinely compelling and sounds like a much more believable situation 🤣
Or Vader would just straight up kill the Third Sister for her incompetence and just have some other inquisitors to take charge.
Fortress Inquisitorius should have been the Citadel from Clone Wars. It was the perfect location for it and was already designed to imprison Jedi. Just give its security a few touchups after the events in the Clone Wars and there you go. It would also make sense seeing as Vader knows about the Citadel's formidability first hand.
@AvatarIroh05 If I remember it was indeed the Inquisitor HQ at first but later keeping them all in Coruscant became a danger because two Inquisitors fell in love and tried to run away while making a mess in Coruscant, thats why their HQ got changed
@@justachaoticperson1906 The Citadel was on Lola Sayu, not Coruscant. I think you are thinking of something different.
The more time passes, the more i want that obiwan movie we were supposed to get.
You'd think that after a guy broke into the fortress a couple years ago they'd up the security
This is just another example of writers being too lazy to apply logic to their stories. I mean it's an Imperial Fortress home to Darth Vader's task force of Jedi Hunters, and the security is about as serious as a circus. There's not a single ship in orbit to scan and clear incoming vessels. The lead security officer of all people just buys into whatever a random lady says without checking to confirm anything. Along with all the other stupid things that happened, it really makes the Empire look stupid if one of the most well defended Imperial facilities is has a security personnel that cannot notice a guy clearly hiding a child under his coat.
I mean it's bad enough that they're copying from Fallen Order, but at least put some effort into it.
Let's be real... The person in charge of security died a very painful death after the events of Fallen Order, and this lapse in security in Kenobi is definitely on someone else :P
What I also find weird is how only Scariff has a planetary defense shield and multiple ISD's for protection, but then the Planet that houses the Headquarters of the Imperial Inquisition which has some of the empires biggest secrets inside.
Yeah, it's flay out commical how inexplicably bad the security in the fortress is during Kenobi, but I suppose it matches the inquizitors from the show, who are just goofy comic book villains with all the weight and pressence of a power rangers monster.
Exactly, and I was wondering where all the security cameras were.
Jedi: Survivor also adds on to that first assumption about the characters maybe not knowing about the Fortress and the incursion by Cal and Cere since Cere herself created the Hidden Path
I love that Survivor did that.
This show takes so much in terms of story from fallen order, even down to beats like the two main characters needing to reconnect with the force, and it's hilarious how poorly it does it
I'm surprised that you didn't mention that snowspeeders use ship-grade blasters, and it shouldn't be possible to deflect them with a lightsaber period.
Plus no T-47 airspeeders I've ever seen can hover in place like that.
@@Straswa They can now apparently.
What strikes me the most is that a single X or Y wing would probably destroy this entire base, considering how two snow speeders managed to get through like that
@@StraswaWhat about when they were slowly moving around inside Echo Base?
they are not blasters they are cannons according to rogue squadron
I love those fighters at 9:15 charging full speed at the door. Must have been really maneuverable to make u-turn before hitting the steel.
I had to subscribe. Tala's slaps are more devastating than the Death Star superlaser.
LOL
I'd just like to add, Andor did the "no-ones stupid enough to attack" thing well. The REASON no-one would be stupid enough to attack is because there was an airfield just a few minutes away, so the window would be tiny and you wouldn't be able to escape even if you did attack the compound. Similarly there was a definite reason why they COULD attack that mitigated that factor.
How did they even have the plans to the fortress in the first place?
Wait a minute…
An off-screen Bothan gave his/her life to bring them that information.
When Leia was captured, Obi Wan started watching a Fallen Order Lets Play
Obi-Wan was fighting off the Stormtroopers with his reignited Force and lightsaber skills inside the fortress, but once they got to the hangar, he somehow forgot how to Jedi and switched back to his blaster.
I saw the thumbnail and thought, "Knowing the fandom, someone will probably make a rewrite and reedit of Obi-Wan that is halfway decent"
After this, I'm glad to know there's already is! I've been on the fence about taking time to play Fallen Order, and know I feel I have to now
Remember in Jedi Outcast where you would graze a Stormtrooper with your lightsaber and their arm would fall off?
I miss those days.
Also, the scene where Obi-Wan’s lightsaber bounces off Stormtroopers in a dark room looks conspicuously similar to the much better scene in the Force Unleashed 2 E3 trailer.
I like to pretend this show never happened..
I like to pretend Disney Star Wars doesn't exist.
1:39 You're implying Disney respects supplementary canon. They have demonstrated that they don't by overwriting the Ahsoka novel, and some other people better up-to-date on book/comic canon can probably tell you more.
That one is on Dave Filoni, so it might not help.
How cool would it have been if fallen order was referenced in a subtle way in kenobi. "it was broken into a couple of years ago, and they have since ramped security, so we are going to have to be extra smart and careful to make sure our plan succeeds". Would be a nice little nod to anyone who has played fallen order, but wouldn't hinder the viewing experience of anyone who hasn't. Instead we got a trench coat. I hate disney.
Yeah but coming up with a new, unique, and inventive plan to bypass the Fortress's extra security would have required creativity and thought from the writers, and we can't have that, can we?
Man i genuinely love your videos
I appreciate it!
4:58 “I can’t see a thing in this helmet!” - Luke Skywalker, Star Wars: A New Hope
i just assumed fallen order took place after the obi show (since i'm new to star wars etc, don't bully me)
but i'm now noticing how poorly written and made the show was, sad it didn't live up to it's hype
Fallen order took place 5 years before Kenobi
@@theoldcure6773 ye ty
If you have a video or text or whatever that calls a missing Star Destroyer a "small detail", something has gone horribly wrong.
LMAO
‘Well damn, I misplaced that Star Destroyer!’
‘No worries, dude! It happens all of the time, those things are so easy to lose!’
4:47
That reminds me of in the Splinter Cell franchise when random guards see you in light and don’t immediately register your presence. 😂
Yeah, tala scaping from stormtroopers may be the worst scene in Star Wars I’ve ever seen
If you look at it from a certain point of view is pretty good, after seeing this scene nobody is gonna look after in universe explanations for the plot armor xd
"This base has no shields, no fleet guarding it, no special security measures or systems to counter specific entry methods, and lackluster security- Because it's so well protected."
Snowspeeders in water and sewage? I'm begining to think they get off on insulting Star Wars fans. Or just trying to destroy what people love because they didn't make it or whatever. Point is it's fucked.
To be fair those are actually just designed to be air-speeders, the rebels had to retro-fit them to work in Hoth's climate.
@@jlord5078 My point was they had to go out of their way to literally shit on the snowspeeder. Because The Empire Strikes back is most classic fans favorite movie of the bunch.
lol Great work Master Samwise. We must not forget brave Wade who heroically fell to Reva's convenience bomb.
Hahaha I love seeing you comment on all my different videos as you discover the channel. I greatly appreciate all the love and support!
I subscribed ! I'm far too afraid of being slapped, I don't even wear a helmet !
I do not regret subscribing to you one bit! Keep up the great content!
Appreciate it, and that’s the plan!
I can't believe they were just like "we haven't got any good ideas of our own, so we'll just copy a better Star Wars thing and make it 100× worse".
On second thought, sadly I can.
Why are you so worried about the star destroyers when 2 ENTIRE PLANETS VANNISHED WITHOUT A TRACE!
LMAO good point
@Master Samwise here is the only explanation I can think of. This is a separate fortress on a different (much greener) water world. This one has no defenses because no one would be dumb enough to attack this one because they have the other fortress.
oh my god i knew the inquisitorius stuff from kenobi was dumb already but it didn't even occur to me that it all happens AFTER Fallen Order... good spot man
The Empire hates their Inquisitors Obviously. I would too if I had a branch that was formed around a bunch of weirdos that use their Lightsabers as Helicopters
very good points
Ok seriously, someone pls give the Coreographer help. I mean come on, we saw Obi Wan do some Aikido and it's... passable. But then there's this.
You know, maybe hand-to-hand isn't the Coreographer's Specialty. Maybe it's Weapons Fighting. Maybe just give her a Baton or a Bludgeon, or maybe an improvised weapon. Seeing her beating the devil out of Stormtroopers with a Steel Bucket from the ground would have more oomph than that slap.
You’re giving the writers too much credit. It seems they are more than just incompetent at writing. It’s more like they just didn’t know how to write at all.
It’s like when you read your 8 year old sister’s story about ponies. It’s not that she’s an incompetent writer, she just doesn’t know the first thing about storytelling.
And of course, you can’t chide your sister on her story’s lack of basic continuity and logic.
I’m honestly not even mad. I mean, what can we expect. These poor bastards shouldn’t have been hired in the first place.
You know what I first thought of when I saw that scene of reva and the ship? I thought the ship is going to fly at her and she’ll cut it in half like Rey did in the sequels… except she doesn’t do that… she just stands there. Like seriously what the fuck….
When i firdt saw *that* scene i laughed thinking they MUST make some extremely self aware comment to justify this but tuey were serious 💀💀💀💀
But adding Star Destroyers would mean some efford😮💨🥺
That whole sequence felt like they were retconning the game.
Doesn’t need to be in the same chain of command. A higher officer is a higher officer, no matter what.
Unless you are on a direct order of a higher officer of the aforementioned higher officer, or in direct command of another officer of atleast the same rank as the one giving the new order.
That said, no soldier is obligated to carry out ”suicide” orders.
Why even is there glass windows in that underwater tunnel you'd think after the last time the place got infiltrated Darth Vader would have ordered that shit covered up with durasteel or something.
They like the aesthetic I guess
@@master_samwise Silly Inquisitors.
@@Straswa The Sith have always valued spectacle over practicality. It's their greatest weakness (apart from killing each other)
Is there any chance trilla can come back and kill reva instead?
With how Disney treats Lightsaber wounds like they're nothing, it's actually possible...
I like how they rip off Fallen Order, while at the same time, ignoring the events that happened in that game.
This just goes to show they don't even follow their own cannon. It's going to become just as confusing as star wars legends is.
The stunt acting in these scenes you mentioned is absolutely pathetic too. First trooper gets hit in the chest and *leans forward*, which is the opposite of what would happen. The second trooper gets slashed from left to right but spins TO HIS LEFT, the opposite of how the momentum of the strike would have sent him.
It’s incredible anyone liked this show.
However the best explanation I heard for the lightsabers acting like bats is that they have a cutting edge much like an actual Saber and the DarkSaber itself. And that it takes skill to use that cutting edge effectively
That still doesn’t explain it cause kenobi is a trained Jedi master who should be able to have the skill to use the edge with his eyes closed
@@GarnachoEmpire712 you can easily say it’s because 1: he wasn’t practiced or connected to the force.
2: it’s a Disney production…. What do you expect
Bruh a major government (probably even a military base) without ANY cover from space attacks in a sci-fi universe.... they didn't even have AA guns
I still cannot believe the writers got a pass nearly plagiarizing Jedi the fallen order. As soon as I saw it on screen with Obi Wan, I instantly remembered playing it and thought that they literally just copy and pasted the entire excursion. What made it worse is that I hardly heard anyone talking about it, but instead praised the show for how Obi Wan fought Vader in a fight that should never have happened as it pushes the boundaries of cannon far to much to be believable. It was a cool fight if it made sense leading into the original trilogy.
Feel like the writers of the show wrote this having to keep the game events canon but in the mind set that no one played the game...when mostly everyone has played the game lmao.
Fortress Inquisitorious was pathetic. It's nowhere as defended as Scarif and they were too laid back.
I imagine myself in the position of the new security chief after my predecessor mysteriously chocked to death on their own spit, possibly in the presence of Lord Vader, or the head inquisitor and I would pull all registers and hope that is enough to avoid having Lord Vader accept my apology.
First I would probably set up a Scarif type shield as well as a set of weapons platforms and a heavy duty extremely intrusive scanning on a station in orbit with purge troopers and ISB personel that is not disliked by said purge troopers, kind of the lose guns and extremely methodical individuals. And since you have to walk from one hangar to the other through a corridor with blast doors multiple sets of scanners you can't really hide and hiding anything will be extremely hard. If you manage to infiltrate teh station it either tries to kill you, or failing that get's blown out of the sky by the two star destroyer and serval arquitens which patrol teh system. Should you survive that you'll find the shield gate closed off and the aforementioned ships and weapons platforms angrily reducing wreck pieces and ships to metal vapor. Should you get through the shield anyway, well there's TIE fighters of different designs (reaper, phantom, defender) would not only swarm the system, but also the air space around the fortress.
As for the air locks und the water surface, all entrances not main entrances would have an extra airlock which has in it 2 purge trooper, one ISB agent two KX-enforcer units and for good measure at least one DT unit as well as a scanner chamber and auto turrets. Also the airlock and scanner chamber can be weaponised with taking the oxigen out of them, or flooding them with some form of poison for good measure.
As for the actual fortress, well our gracious host had stated enough measures about the flaws, now all these measures aren't perfect but in the event things go wrong you can confidently say to Vader that budgetary constraints forced you to draw a line at some point and that clearly protocol wasn't follewed, which is a shame because one now can be sure to take the blame for those that did it without them ever learning the lesson themselves. At this point requesting a single shot disruptor pistol for "personal use" would hopefully appease Vader enough to not go after the entire family, or something.
Dang dude you don't have enough subs. I'm not normally one to comment tbh but I wanna help the algorithm gods notice you. 😋
Haha I appreciate it!
I just finished Fallen Order for the first time, and I'm even more baffled now at the lack of security on this station seen in Kenobi. On one hand, I love the attention to detail on that show when it comes to the props and set pieces, because it visually looks like the fortress in fallen order, but the vibe in the show is totally lacking. Incredibly lazy writing on the show, and we didn't even get any purge trooper fights--those were so much fun in Fallen Order! The whole purpose of the Purge Troopers was to fight and apprehend Jedi. So much wasted potential for a Kenobi series
It's official, starwars stormtrooper armor is just shiny cloths that do nothing. Unless your a male Jedi
8:40 So I guess we've decided that Stormtrooper armor *isn't* sealed?
Jedi fallen has the excuse of being a video game on the subject of lightsabers
8:16 ngl. if Indira Verma told to me to try something, it would have an effect on me too
I didnt have high expectations for this show before seeing ths trailer, but when I realized that we were going to see Fortress Inquisitorious I hyped a little since I really enjoyed SWJFO. Now I wish it was never shown, this was ths worse part of ths show
Darth Vader kinda forgot about the Imperial fleet
It's almost become pointless to criticize the stupidity of Disney Star Wars at this point. It hard to believe that this stuff comes from the same place. You can't help but feel that things like this, because of the scope of the show, gets lots of hands-on meddling by Disney execs, but then these games and shows like Andor simply aren't big enough for them to care.
Almost pointless, yes. But also very fun lol. And it’s worth it to point out that Disney can’t just slap together a story in one afternoon, throw in a couple of beloved characters, and fool EVERYONE into thinking it’s good.
Was the empire on a budget? Could they not just afford to put a shield there? You take safety precautions for important places, even if you doubt someone would try to attack it because you don’t want to be the one responsible in case someone does attack
Guess they had to sell the defenses to pay for the Death Star.
How this snowspeeders can even shot "her"(dont remember the name) from such close range, she could just stay between this two guns and shots would miss her
Yeah, of course they wouldn’t know about the attack on the fortress, it’s not like they have direct connections to Cere Junda and Eno Cordova.
(Not sarcastic enough. They very much do‼️‼️)
Also, the scenes with Obi-Wan cutting through Stormtroopers in the dark, igniting and shutting down his saber, is a ripoff from the Force Unleashed 2 trailer
The people making a film out of the good parts of this series are the real MVP’s. I was in disbelief when I saw how comically bad this show was. Now we have S3 of Mando that was also an absolute joke. They need new writing rooms and less Kathleen Kennedy. Preferably writers who have actually watched the films and know the characters.
Kenobi producers: we didn’t have the budget for Animating Star Destroyers since Disney gave most of their money towards the Andor show (Andor is still a great show though)
Did Andor really get more budget than OWK? I know it’s longer, but dang you’d think the producers would be all in on a show about OBI-WAN KENOBI. Though maybe they figured the name recognition would be enough and they could just crank out some cheap sludge and still get lots of viewers…
@@master_samwise many believe it is due to the quality in CGI and the Actors. I guess if your getting Tony Gilroy involved it’s best not to settle for half measures
@@master_samwise This, and its been strongly rumored that Obi Wan was supposed to be a movie (as well as Boba Fett) but for various reasons, they decided to turn them into series. So naturally they need some more material to pad the length.
It’s insane how bad the speeders look in this episode. They don’t blend into the scene at all - the scale and perspective is wrong, they move strangely, the characters don’t seem to react to them properly, etc. It’s pathetic when you consider that the speeders in Empire Strikes Back look way better, and those were made using manual film splices and stop-motion animation!
Plus they just fly into the hangar at full speed with no maneuvering room. If they actually flew in like that they would have crashed, but the show just yada-yada's them out of the scene until they're needed again.
I bet I could write a better kenobi
In fact, I should just write an improved script for Kenobi, give me a year, and I'll have it done by then
@@EmberOldAccountI will hold you up to that
@@EmberOldAccount If you do, make sure to set in the EU instead of Disney, and reference John Jackson Miller's Kenobi novel, the Last of The Jedi novels where he helps Ferus Olin and his bout with A'Sharad Hett (a.k.a. future Darth Krayt) shown as a flashback in the Legacy comics.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 oh I plan to do most of that, especially the part about disregarding the Disney cannon
@@kindadumb916 so uh, things aren't going as planned, and I've accidentally added a second season. Can I have an extra year or 2?
This series is just indescribably shit, thank you for making this video, I'm fed up of these terrible series. I really hope the future ones take a leaf out of Andor's book and actually have good writing. The fact they so BLATANTLY took SO MUCH from SWFO is insane.
And here I thought kenobi was set before fallen order and that’s why the security was shit but no
Somehow tala was the most interesting side charecter in the show.. and she wasn't even that good either, the best part of this show was just any scene with vader
i don't know about you, but i could make a story more logical than that (though maybe not with any consistent charecter arc or emotional throughline) in a single afternoon!
We needed magic they got Disney bs seriously I made sure I killed every trooper I could when doing that mission I nearly failed during the Vader scenes jut to be petty against troopers and yet they don’t have enough for kal that would have been funny where obiwan met kal and they go like hello there and go their separate ways
Not only did this mess of a show rip off fallen order..But it also ripped off Force Unleashed 2 with that ridiculous scene were Obi-Wan was chopping down the Stormtrooper tree to rescue Leia in that dark room..Not only were the Star Destroyers gone...But no gun emplacements.No Fighters patrols..No shields , no one even watching the sensors...Plus they made Darth Vader into an idiot..
And you don’t like being an idiot, do you Lord Vader?
@@master_samwise Exactly Master Samwise..Reeva should not be alive.Not only does she know a secret that only Darth Vader and the Emperor know..She allowed Kenobi to escape and was let off the hook by saying she planted a tracer on his ship..In other words she let them escape..and Vader was like..DUHHHHHHHHH....
If it's not in the title crawl it didn't happen. These cross medium stories aren't supposed to be contiguous cannon and no Disney lawyer or proclamation by pope George himself can make it otherwise. I don't watch James Bond and wonder why it contradicts 007 Golden Eye.
Production ran out of budget to CGI in the Star Destroyers. It would have been way too hard to insert them into the orbital shot.
I mean you're probably not wrong, but they surely they have the original models they could have used.
Let's be real, the whole Fortress Inquisitorious episode was an obvious bait episode with no substance for the fans of the game. Everything was pretty much the exact same as in the game, except 100 times worse.
Why does the fortress have a XXXL trench coat laying around?
The cafeteria food there is super calorie-heavy.
why dose Disney think people throwing away their weapons is a good action scene
plot armor
She's also not a sir.😂😂😂 You should compile all the pathetic action scenes into a vid and set it to Benny Hill's chase theme. Oh that would be worth all the rife Disney has brought upon us. 😂😂😂😂😂
"She's also not a sir. 😂😂😂" I don't think you understand the military (this goes for Star Wars, as well). Your commanding officer doesn't use their gender, so you just address them as sir. Not ma'am. Even if they're a woman.
@@ECSOrder66 I was in the army. I did a tour. It's why I have Vet in my name. In my time of service I have always been told sir for a man and ma'am for a woman if they're officers. Maybe it's different in other branches but my brother hasn't told me any different and he's in the Navy currently.
@@gamervet4760 Very interesting. Still, OP was wrong to say that. There are militaries that do not use their gender for a commanding officer, you just use "sir", it's even shown in TCW, so Idk why OP did that. 😕
@@ECSOrder66 The Rebels were (I have to emphasize were here cause Disney doesn't understand George) based on WW2 units. Which is why the space battles were so awesome and full of different ships. Even the toys had Rebels and Empire characters that had roles specific to their section, they were only on screen for a flash but they have a role. Disney doesn't care or understand established rules, which is why they use hyper space flight as a weapon in The Last Jedi.
Also Disney is an American company. Why would they use foreign military conventions? Unless, they hate America, that's crazy though. Right?
@@gamervet4760 Honestly, not a clue. They could hate America (and probably do (bunch of leftist liberals)), but is there evidence of that? 👀
Omg this show gets worse the more I read into it why
Good video though at least there is some quality content to draw from this
That's the beautiful thing about bad art: it creates the opportunity for great criticism.
@@master_samwise You could say that again lol. Though I’ve already offended some people I know even putting the words “kenobi” and “bad” in the same sentence. Some people just aren’t prepared to accept objective criticism I suppose smh
The satisfaction of ripping into something is always a nice perk tho lol