Standard Clone Trooper Tactics vs Standard CIS Tactics [Visualised]
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The Clone Army had to create hundreds of different tactics and combat doctrines because of the size of the Republic Army. Because of this both Officers and Jedi Generals had think outside of the box, and that why both Anakin and Obi Wan had such an amazing combat records because of this. While its true that Republic was able to win many battles, but its was the Battles that were thought of out of the box that destroyed droids armies. While the Droids armies were most of the time stagnate when it came to its combat doctrine, but in the hands of the Sith and their servants created impressive victory against the Republic. General Grevious crave his way to the core worlds was considered downright terrifying to Republic high command, and mind you this was mostly done by a cheap droid army.
Inquisitor Garza Well said
The republic army was completely designed to counter the cis droid army - thats their job - the republic was on the defense - of course it also attacked but generally it was in a loosing position against an amazing cis navy and incredibly diverse and powerful cis army - so yes they always thought outside the box etc in the battles we see - because thats there only chance of victory - the fact that „the good guys“(the faction the tv shows/movies follow) always wins on screen is why we have a distorted view of the clone wars - the republic never had the upper hand and was actually very close to completely loosing the war near the end
Why it’s true that the Clone Army was made to counter the Droid Army, it wouldn’t matter if the army gets wiped out in a dumb general maneuver. On paper defeating a droid army is easy, but on an individual level troop could panic or fear for their lives.
@Gaius Wyrden Yeah, really. The CIS were superior to the GR during the Clone Wars. Plot armor and political/Sith intrigue is why they lost. They DID have a diverse army and powerful land vehicles to go with it. They also had hard counters to Clone Troopers, like the BX, Super Battle Droid, and other experimental and less known droids. Even droidekas were great against clones and most Jedi. Legends General Grievous himself is arguably the most efficient Jedi killer of all times. Many believe he would beat Vader in a pure lightsaber fight. Even Count Dooku knew Grievous would surpass him one day, and tried to start an experiment to make him force sensitive. Sidious feared that and thought otherwise...
Numbers win wars. It doesn`t matter how good your soldiers are if you can`t afford to lose them. Or if they don`t get the required Kill death ratio against the enemy`s meatshield or break and/or demoralize them. That`s no problems for droids, but it is for the Republic. Geonosis isn`t the only forge world in the Star War`s Galaxy, come on dude. Even if it were, what about the trillions of others Droids that are already made? CIS were far from defeated, but were "losing" if you go by late war territory. Even Legends lore stated that the war seem like there was no end in sight. When I read that, it doesn't give me the impression that the CIS were losing. The Fact the CIS even had the Strength to attack Coruscant, only shows how power they were. Even thing, but Lucrehulks and Providence Dreadnought, can quickly be replaced from that battle. Funny how the Republic never set foot on Raxus Secundus until the shutdown was given and it became the Galactic Empire...
The diverse CIS Navy was also much better than the Republic, and even had numbers to go with it. A Munificent, the CIS main ship, is even better armed than the Venator Star Destroyer XD . It can even carry a large amount of latched on starfighters on the outside of the ship. Sure, its armor is weak but the shields are actually decent for the Munificent`s size. They come in packs and out range pretty much anything else in the Republic`s navy. Droid fighters can even hang upside down in CIS hangars, making room for more space and Starfighters. These are just a few advantages they had over the Republic. CIS all the way!
„Thinking outside the box“ (certainly not war crimes)
A droid - clone mix would’ve been devastating as the droids advance in block formation while clones could flank or command
Omg ur right!
Yeah similar things were imagined by many others too. Thing we all got our own versions of this
Nice
That would be on terrain not suited for armour as well
A Drone army you could say
The CIS was able to affect the slowest Zerg rush in history because they had a functionally unlimited supply of disposable soldiers.
I feel like grevous' tactical prouwes goes unmentioned in almost al cases so im happy we get to hear you talk about it a bit
Lmao i just saw the video from two days ago
Nvm
@Gaius Wyrden yeah he does win some but others he loses (not sure on the percentage)
But he also got used by palps and dooku big time though and mostly people mention that about him
Ha what had he done in the show? For fuck sake Maul was brought back as fanservice to fill the role Grievous was supposed to have
@@TurKlack we never see him do much, but remember, he was in charge of the malevolence for weeks and destroyed atleast 1 entire fleet off camera. He also managed to fight off Kit Fisto, kill his apprentice recently turned jedi knight, and slaughter multiple clones, all after being purposely led into an ambush by Count Doku and starting off the fight by being seriously injured, to the point of losing his legs.
He did quite a lot of bad-assery in the show, but a lot of it was off camera.
@@dillongage7628 All we see is him fighting Kenobi, over and over again. Ffs man, we know that both of them can't die, so why not put grievous against some Jedi cannonfodder?
But hell, even if Grievous isn't fighting the Plotarmor incarnate, he still losses every fucking battle.
Just because Filoni and George tell us Grievous is a big deal, doesn't mean he is, because all we *see* are his failures. and that is more important than the words of Shit Writer and old men.
6:10 this picture gave me a thought.
What if there was a game where you had to flee and survive an invasion but the invasion was the CIS to which your species doesn't recognise and see as weird and mysterious, you hide from invasion forces, meet strange leaders with emotionless voices and marvel at the diversity of these monstrosities you don't understand.
If not Star Wars based then just a typical sci fi of an alien race being invaded but putting emphasis on the more logistical side of invasion tactics and motives, all without humans.
I love how the Republics general initial strategy for land invasions was to bypass superior enemy space defences and land its superior troops by using fast moving blitzkrig like attacks to overwhelm enemy positions and how it compares to that of the rebels. I like to think that as the rebellion's aim was to restore the republic they had studied republic battle strategies and understood why they were so effective against the CIS which focused on overwhelming firepower as the Imperial navy did.
"OW was it something i said"?- when u shoot ur own troopers.
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“Venator carriers and fighters would deploy as escorts, If possible. Everything else seems pretty accurate. The charging went out of style, of course. I’ve got no other comments about this, but if the planet has hills, reconnaissance, sabotage, tactical shots, and infiltration should work more. Always try to take into account the terrain and how you can take advantage or how it hurts you.” -ARF/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
Yeah you're right. Sent scouts first to analyze the enemy stronghold also the terrainbecause if you sent a full out assault on an unknown planet and unknown combatants with never before seen weapons like on Umbara in which they know really well the terrain it could end up in a catastrophic defeat or a really hard victory with devasting loses, sent commandos to weaken the defenses or steal something or kill the leader, then begin the all out assault, or simply bombard the shit out of the place.
Wow. I was just talking about how the series made the tactics look pretty basic in your previously video, the one on Grevious, and now here you are showing us how more complex it was then we thought. It's almost like I predicted you would do this.
Oh my Arceus, I must have the Force ability to see the future! LOL.
Also, love the visuals like always man.
but those are pretty basic tactics. Those are napoleon wars era tactics, they boil down to "form up" and "charge"
Each wave of LAATs if executed perfect and coming from 3 attack ships like in the video would have 9600 landed troops which is almost three times larger than a standard army regiment and a regiment is = to a legion. In other words that a look of troops
2 attack ships can deliver more than all of the 501st
@Pasha Staravoitau you don't understand galactic combat- neither side has the wherewithal to defend the entire planetary base every time. sometimes they do- thats where you get the 3 year sieges. in most cases, on most planets, there's only one city of note- generally it has the spaceports (Mos Eisley, Theed, Cloud City), and on many others theres only a single military base (Hoth, Yavin IV, Endor, Utapau), on a further segement there are worlds with severely limited areas of habitability (Ryloth, Kessel).
Not every planet is Earth. In fact Earth is pretty close to Coruscant when looked at on a scale including places like tatooine.
They dont need millions per planet. Depending on the mission, clones would need a battalion (for militia raising), to a Division (on single strike worlds) and perhaps a corps (most long defended worlds). Only in a few cases would they potentially need millions- and in those cases, they didnt have it and had to make do with limited-front warfare.
@Pasha Staravoitau you are WRONG. Most of those planets are barely populated!
@Pasha Staravoitau That is most galaxy lore with Science Fantasy- Battletech, Star Wars, Space battleship yamato...
Pasha Staravoitau Based off the population normally determines the tactics per planet
I think a good example of these tactics was the clone wars video game for the original xbox just to clarify im refeeing the starwars game that introduced the dark reeper and raxus prime and it came with Tetris and mech assault all in one
Basically. The Republic is the same as a modern army of today, with air cover and use of close air support. The CIS is the same as Soviet army, with air covers
@Pasha Staravoitau Yes but for the 60 years before they were "First man have rifle, second man have bullet, third man take both if other men die"
@Pasha Staravoitau First off, take a joke. Secondly, who said I was getting this from COD? I've been studying the world wars since I was 5. Russia had a big issue with having so many men they didn't have enough firearms for a long time. Why do you think they ordered some from Winchester? Yes they were eventually an effective army for more than just numbers, but for a long time numbers were all they had.
@@TheWhoamaters lol I like the joke. You are also mostly correct however I see the cis as closer to the Soviet of the 60s and 70s granted the republic also seems to have Soviet doctrines in it's fighting style with the gunship deployments in a variety of ways as well as it's approach on command and battle groups. Even in it's space battle doctrine and the use of interceptor style aircraft and use of specialist ground units down to what I assume is the battalion level and larger specialist formation down to the Corp level.
I'd personally like to see what both sides defensive doctrines are considering both sides had commanders that were versed in defensive warfare.
@@TheWhoamaters Ehh...not actually true. As there were very few cases of this happening. And when they did, something had gone very wrong. And, as for squad doctrine, at least near the end of WWII. They tried to spread out and leap frog in sections of two or three, and only charged once they were close enough.
Would love to see more videos like this for other Militaries in star wars.
Grievous is my favorite character!
Could you do standard battle tactics of the Empire VS post-Endor New Republic (Legends or Canon)?
Standard storm trooper vs clone troopers
Kevin Dinu we already know who wins
Think he already did a video on this
We know the answer to this
@@geetslys Stormtroopers
Isn't it obvious... the stormtroopers would win
Ah just like the simulations
The CIS tactic was like the Goths tactic in Age of Empires 2
Was Yoda informed about the different types of Clone units when he arrived at Kamino? If so, why did the Jedi just charge almost everything at Dooku's forces on Geonosis. At least it's justified for Droids to do the same as they can be cheaply replaced quickly.
Because being powerful wizards doesn't make up for their complete lack of experience and training in things beyond dueling, the most effective military leaders throughout history generally weren't the best physical fighters
@@draconianwarking good point
One of the things that annoyed me about _MOST_ Republic battles during the CW was the lack of establishing Base Camps and FOBs. The lack of supply dumps, field hospitals and defensible positions (such as bunkers and trenches) would, and should, have really hampered their campaigns. Because if they relied on using their ships for such facilities any force that began contesting the skies or space would interrupt their supply lines and prevent injured troopers from getting medical help.
You covered the standard invasion tactics, would it be possible to cover their ground tactics in a more thorough nature. Or is it as you said earlier in the video, difficult to cover as Clone Wars battles often heavily varied due to a constantly changing theater of battle?
very informative!
Love the background music for this lol
But - What if.....The CIS managed to recover a piece of "Plot armor", and began to reverse engineer it? Imagine the horror....B1 Battledroids with Plot-Armor Replica plating?
"They've sent in the Supers!"
I really liked the video, super in depth, not so sure about the music though
Loving the jazz!
Good breakdown
I like how windu cared for his clones so much
I wonder why ion cannons like the one on the malevolence weren't used by the empire or the rebel alliance, I think we only got to see them placed on a ship once I believe.
I think droids had more formal organized tactics meant to overrun enemies with wave and waves of troops. They used tanks to then help the troops advance while bombers and fighters took down enemy vehicles.
Clone had a more unorganized strategy. They deployed fighters to take down droid fighters and vehicles. Clones unlike droids were much more strategic and independently smart. Clones would scatter for cover and take shots at droids from cover. They used tanks to flank the droids sides and troops would take on the central forces. Jedi would be away from the battle but then join once the strategizing was finished. Clones would then do what they thought was necessary to make an advance or hold a position.
Im surprised george lucas didnt try to add any of our modern infantry tactics like buddy rushing for the at least the human clones lol
Im up he sees me im down!!!
this is pretty popular in sci-fi, when people who don't know anything about war try to write about it
@@Ally5141 And it seems you're pretty salty
@@moth8775 kind of, it's not even about writers knowing shit about war, it's about them showing idiotic, illogical stuff like leaving cover and rushing straight into blaster fire. Because apparently self-preservation instinct is not a thing.
I wish the csi had elite organic units
They occasionally did, like on jambim and the Nimbus Guard.
Of course when the Clones fight organics, they tend to get absolutely crushed. Which is why Sidious tried to prevent the CIS from using them.
Imagine the combined arms tactics against the Vong . . .
It'd be hard to do, but a chronological breakdown of each stage of the first war for geonosis, led by Mace and yoda. Starting withspace battle to clear defenses then the landing of troops at three different strongpoints. And the massacre that followed where only 29 jedi survived a suicide charge in the arena whilst the clones got wiped out due to bad tactics.
Discuss the breakdown of sub units. Like. Exactly what small units were apart of the larger formations used both clone and cis. Even if its a bit brief
I wonder if there's much known about mandalorian battle tactics and how they evolved through the millennia 🤔
how about a video talking about imperial and rebel tactics.
Clone strat- send in the boys in LAAT's for the 10000th time
Droid strats- 100 trillion clankers at the fortified machine gun nest. GO!
Wow, in all honesty I didn’t know the Droid Strategies were that complex
0:11 *LOOOOOOOTS* of plot armor
The LAAT’s were supposed to be starfighters? Yeah ok, good luck with that
Where did you get the material to go in such detail? Damn! Good job!
About the training locals it might later end up as a really bad decision later on. I read the One of the Republic Commando novels in which the Republic never left a planet and the locals trained by them started revolting and they killed some clones. Also talk about some battles about the ages of glory the Sith Empire from Revan to Vitiate any one.
What about Covert ops? Like when it where would commando doirds be used? Or how do both sides keep their planets loyal to their cause?
Your first question is simply put, they put them into any battle where a numerical advantage is simply not desireable (either due to detection or other reasons)
The second one, very simple. Propaganda. Remember when Amidala and that Seperatist senator were trying to get peace talks and it got bombed by seppie bombers? Scream that the republic did it, you got seppies rushing to join your cause.
Most people only listen to one news source, the one that says the things they agree with, not necessarily the one that speaks the truth. Republicans listen to republic sided news, seppies listen to seperatist sided news.
There tactics were similar but the separatist was more effective!
Too bad the clones are clever and experienced
Without the sith intervention the separatists would have won
You mainly covered surface battle tactics; what about Space Battle?
The different classes of the Luker-Hulk
So the CIS basically copied the USSR tactic in ww2 and actually made it efficient and humane
What were the battle tactics of the non-clones and organic troops on both sides? They were used in the war too after all.
If you're talking about plot, that exists in the form of Darth Sidious. That Sith was cockblocking every potential strategy the CIS had for a decisive victory. They were never meant to win the war, just weaken the Republic enough for Sidious to take over.
2:19 and in republic at war I just send in everything I've got orbiting fleet or not
One thing I still don't understand to this day is why in most of the battles we see in the clone wars, The Republic made sure to send in their Light armored and rather slow gunships transporting their assault force go into the heat without CASsing the fuck out of enemy positions and enemy AA and AT emplacements with their bombers or even strafing runs from their fighters.
If I had to guess it would have something to do to help the continuously growing hatred for their enemies and jedi get even bigger, resulting in way less clones sympathising with the jedi or whatever opposing force
PS: We know that they CASsed them sometimes but not as often as we'd see in the show, so I'm not saying they never did it.
If I was a Emperor I'd use a mixture of driods and clones. And many ,many commando droids. Tons of vulture droids to a company smaller capital ships mainly because of their size. A mixture of both tactics would probably work well
These videos are always fun to watch.
well plot armor did help clones a lot in the clone wars series
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To be fair, (At least in The Clone Wars show) Clones have a shat ton of plot armor
You should do a show on some of the star wars languages like Umbarese...from Umbara
4:23 In a way, the Jedi used the clones as droids.
If they had droids instead of clones, they wouldn't need to worry about "the living beings", and could just do their own thing, while the droids kept blasting.
Is there a space battle tactics overview?
Please make more of these battle tactic videos. Its really a shame Star Wars didn't have more moments of explaining war tactics and strategies. I mean its called Star *WARS* .
The first wave of clones are like marines. And the rest were like the army.
Well technically both sides had plot armour with palpatine controlling the war
True
Can you do more videos about individual battles like the jabim video
My nose smells like fermented meatballs
Clone tactics: simple but effective, allowing for heavy changes if the battle deems it fit.
Droids: *we have more troops than you have blaster bolts*
What is his intro? Does it have some meaning that is lost on me
Old battlefront opening zoom
@@geetslys oh that was before my time as a gamer
Bro! Good starwars legend stuff here! Watching this with my fans on my livestream!
There is always one potential problem with the cis tactics as you still need to transport all the droids but factors can mostly defend themselves as they can pump out droids so fast
Could you make a video on the chance of the CIS to win the war without the sith 😁🙏🏼
*just like the simulations*
What was the separatist starategy when they had to deal with a planet local military instead of the clones?
If the clone wars is to be believed, trade embargos. If that doesn't work, yeet thedroids at them
Keep throwing battle droids at them until their blaster overheat
wow
What game is his intro from? I used to play it but can’t remember the name for the life of me
Battlefront?
Can someone please explain why 1) The Empire didn't continue to use droid armies, and 2) What happened to all of the Clones after they betrayed the Jedi to serve the Emperor?
The empire did use droids, just more advanced droids that were better than traditional B1 battle droids. Clones that served the emperor grew old and became obsolete as the Empire recruited children and people from pre-tech civilizations.
When you say droid armies, I understand you refer the clone wars droids like B1, droideka, commando, etc. These droids DID exist after order 66, but the underlying purpose of the CIS was to have a false enemy and so many were abandoned. This answer I’m not sure about so correct me if I’m wrong.
Why did you note how Republic tactics changed but not droid tactics? For example you point out that droids had no dropships using large landing craft until halfway through the war, but didn't mention what changed halfway through with deployment...
Would you be so kind as to do a show on Cis insignias
The Senate's tactics were the best in all of Star Wars.
Spinning in the air while screeching?
Define " visualized "
Under 200 wiews? Wow im early. Awsome and informative video
Roses are red, violets are blue, MAster skywalker, there are to many of them, what are we going to do
Personally I love separatist tactics
Seems like both sides had well thought out doctrine and tweaked it after battlefield experience. Personally I favor the cis doctrine. Had they a more intelligent force force I can see it being much more effective. Also seems like they used strike teams with the commando droid s on a number of occasions to some good effect.
Why didn’t the republic just use a droid army too though
Who want to join the separatist
battle droid commander what’s your health care policy?
I am beprogrammed you little buttler oh and what is your health care policy
I might, but I gotta ask, what's the 401K like?
ZexalBrony479 I second this!
Zexalbrony479 just look at google
You are dead on correct about the plot armor forcthe republics benefit, no way did they legit win if it was not already decided by canon set before all the series and stories about the clone wars were ever written
You said it yourself. Plot armor is the best armor in Star Wars. Why can't people just make realistic scenarios?
Holy fuck drink a glass of water
Remove plot armor and sith manipulation, the CIS could've won without any major problems.
Basically Soviet tactics during WW2
Just send them in huge numbers
Tactics that often did more harm or failed the Soviet forces back then than helped them
Not in Geonosis
Battle tactics for Iran
Basically what
i take from this is clones spent 8 to 9 years of there life to use cannon fodder strategies? Doesn't really live up to there back stories in my opinion. I wish there could have been more impressive and realistic tactics from the clones. there so cool in every other way. just need to take them more seriously.
12th like 3rd comment that’s all I have to say
First comment love the vid keep up the good work
why do people in star wars stand in the open during firefights? so dumb
The primary issue with the army and naval doctrines of Star Wars lies in the genre of Star Wars itself. Star Wars is a space opera, and like most opera, the war part exists as window dressing for the characters to have dramatic moments in. Any close examination leads to the setting very quickly falling apart. Space ships are so poorly designed in setting it’s a joke, with their nonexistent heat management systems, exposed command centers, and incredibly slow speed and short weapons ranges. Ground isn’t much better, with slow, poorly designed vehicles such as the AT-TE forming the bulk of Republic armor, instead of fast, low profile vehicles such as the saber tank.
The most egregious mistake is not in the design or doctrines of these armies, however. The worst part is how small the armies and navies of both sides are. Despite the Republic owning the main industrial and financial hub of the galaxy, made up of tens of thousands of solar systems, they can’t muster a fleet more than a few thousand venators And other craft, and an army so small that it would not be capable of controlling a single heavily populated system, let alone subduing half a galaxy. The CIS, with their mostly automated production, would outproduce the republic so fast that the war would be over in a year and a half. Each clone trooper takes ten years to grow and train, and no matter how many droids he takes down before he dies, a thousand times more have already rolled off the production line.
Essentially Star Wars has never gotten the wars part of its name even remotely correct. I do commend you for trying to make sense of the absolute mess that is military tactics in a Science Fantasy setting though. Good video overall.
I rationalised it as being a scaled up version of champions being sent to duel rather than a "real" war as civilians mostly were not used by either side
@@draconianwarking Its very hero based. The armies are mostly for show.
Why are you using the standard attacks, use the unorthodox.
I love your videos but the new jazz-like music makes it hard to watch, it doesn’t really match the setting of the videos and completely pulls me from the mood of the clone wars. At any rate, keep up the good content, but your previous background tracks were better