Modeling Ultra Realistic Painted Roads.

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  • Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2023
  • I searched and searched for a good way to make my layout's roads. Did not like anything I seen, so I went ahead and figured out how to paint them in with cheap acrylic paint and some masking tape.
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  • @SantaFeBob
    @SantaFeBob 3 месяца назад

    I know the feeling with “this kit is almost done”. Excellent job on the roads. Great techniques.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  3 месяца назад +1

      Ive still not completed half the buildings on the layout :-/

  • @markwakeley3835
    @markwakeley3835 8 месяцев назад +4

    For a first timer your road looks pretty darn good. The stripes turned out especially well. I recently started airbrushing and really enjoy it.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      I was blown away by the stripes. I got my first roads out of the way. the next roads will be better for sure. I'm looking forward to learning airbrushing techniques for sure

  • @elsdp-4560
    @elsdp-4560 8 месяцев назад +4

    Thank you for sharing. The streets look fantastic, you did a really nice job on them.👍

  • @darrenrawlinson6344
    @darrenrawlinson6344 7 месяцев назад +1

    Great tip on the plumbers putty. The roads look great!

  • @kingfordism
    @kingfordism 8 месяцев назад +3

    A lot of older model railroaders taught me to use tar paper that you would put down on your roof under the asphalt shingles. For a blacktop road it looks awesome.

    • @azmike1
      @azmike1 8 месяцев назад

      Agreed.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      Ive heard of that technique. I just didnt want to buy a whole roll of it. Sure it's cheap enough but then I have to store it.

  • @johnmalley4355
    @johnmalley4355 8 месяцев назад +2

    Your roads look pretty cool, very imaginative. You’re right about thin layers of paint, they build up over each other, very nice. Keep up the cool work, and keep your chin up…

  • @franktino6676
    @franktino6676 8 месяцев назад +2

    Looking awesome, Ron! Would you believe that after building probably over 500 to 1000 car,plane, truck, military vehicle and boat kits since 1955; along with repairs to O gauge trains-- I have yet to buy or even use an airbrush for modeling?
    Yikes ! Strictly been paint brushing or similar! So, I give you credit for taking the plunge into the airbrushing arena and your roadway results are great!
    Didn't know that Max had passed away until now, when I just returned from California. So sorry, Ron. They are indeed part of the family.
    Wishing you a great Holiday Season, ahead-- Frank 🌲🎅🚂

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks Frank! You have a lot of model building under your belt. I'm surprised you have not air brushed before, BUT...if what your doing works, why change? :-). Happy holidays to you as well!!

  • @josephrandazo2627
    @josephrandazo2627 7 месяцев назад

    You always do a great job explaining what you are working on. Sorry for your loss and will see if I can get one of your transfers on ebay. Keep up the great work Joe R

  • @13thBear
    @13thBear 8 месяцев назад +3

    Good job on the roads, Ron. The tip on the plumber's putty is also welcome, but I found a sticky putty that teachers use to temporarily hang pictures and posters on the wall that's very similar to the plumber's putty. It's called poster tack, or something like that. Found it in my local Dollar store, believe or not, years ago.
    A trick I tried years ago is I went into my local WarMart store and went to the paint department. I looked thru the paint samples and chose the paint samples I thought looked closest to grass, dirt, concrete and blacktop. Then, I took the paint samples outdoors and compared the samples to grass, dirt, concrete and blacktop. I threw away the samples that weren't any good. Then I went back into WarMart and to the crafting aisle and looked thru the craft paints until I found those paints that were closest to my paint sample cards. I bought the craft paints, took them home and used them to paint my grass, dirt, concrete and asphalt roads. I was very pleased with the look the paints gave to my layout.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks 13th! Good tips you shared up above. That Wal-mart paint is nice and cheap so a Feller can buy a whole bunch of it

  • @johnblanton-fd3jf
    @johnblanton-fd3jf 8 месяцев назад +2

    Nice looking roads and detail ! Using the plumbers putty is a great tip , thanks !

  • @williamsantangelo
    @williamsantangelo 7 месяцев назад

    Thank You Ron luv your channel, learning a bunch

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thank you William, Glad you are enjoying my work :-)

  • @avlisk
    @avlisk 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the tip on the butyl tape. I have a ton of it left over from a fan install in my van roof. Never thought to use it as a substitute for BluTac, (which I can never find). Also, your road-striping procedure is a winner, too!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks for your kind words! Glad you now have a new use for your leftover supplies of the roof vent job

  • @regisbraga3833
    @regisbraga3833 4 месяца назад

    Ron: you are an artist, even not knowing that! I really envy you (in a positive way, please!)…
    Fantastic job my friend!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  4 месяца назад +1

      These came out pretty decent for my first attempt. Next time even better!!

  • @Planter19
    @Planter19 8 месяцев назад

    Working on the layout is great, I love the plumbers putty idea, will have to get some this weekend, Keep up the Great Work....

  • @FostoriaOhiomodelrailroadclub
    @FostoriaOhiomodelrailroadclub 8 месяцев назад +1

    Those roads look amazing

  • @clifnunnery4691
    @clifnunnery4691 8 месяцев назад +1

    That gunna look awesome

  • @danshobbies13
    @danshobbies13 7 месяцев назад

    I use black poster board from a craft store. Super cheap and always changeable. Your roads came out very nice.

  • @MygrandpasTrain
    @MygrandpasTrain 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the helpful video. Airbrushing definitely has a learning curve but I can do things with it that spray can or brushing just wont do. I've still got to lay down roads on my HO layout. But on my American Flyer layout, I cheated (well, sorta) I just cut strips of roofing shingles and used blackboard chalk to put the lines down. Your yellow center lines are straighter than some nearby towns I've seen some pretty wavy lines. Gotta wonder what those guys were on when they painted them stripes...

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching MygrandpasTrain! Yes there seems to be a lot of different techniques to road building. I researched a lot before I did this. I like processes that are fast and inexpensive. Plus every time I mess up a process, I get one more smarter for the next time :-)

  • @LScottBoyes
    @LScottBoyes 8 месяцев назад +1

    Love the videos. I'm finally caught up with this latest video after binge watching the past episodes. Keep up the great work!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      THANK YOU for your support of my channel! I'm glad you enjoy my mad creations :-)

  • @AEStudt
    @AEStudt 8 месяцев назад

    Wow learning well Ron an gives me ideas to help me thank you keep it going

  • @user-df6ld5rg3q
    @user-df6ld5rg3q 8 месяцев назад +1

    Along with the painted cork roadbed another great idea! Thanks Ron

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching. I'm always trying to come up with weird idea's :-)

  • @brianlohr3412
    @brianlohr3412 8 месяцев назад +1

    looks good !!!!!!

  • @Cbtrainnut
    @Cbtrainnut 8 месяцев назад

    Great Job on the streets Ron. I’m really impressed with the striping! Tom Petty sang it best! The waiting is the hardest part! Sidewalks look pretty darn good too! Thanks for sharing. I’m currently starting to move my S Scale layout from the two car garage to inside the lower level of the house! Lots of fun. Hope you’ll follow along as I take the journey. Going to be interesting and I plan on using some of your techniques I’ve learned from you! Have a great night! @Cbtrainnut

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Greetings Cb, thanks for your kind words! Nice that your layout is getting a new home. Better climate control and reduced humidity I hope :-) Hoping to follow along!

  • @hopstrr
    @hopstrr 8 месяцев назад +2

    Don't sell your work short Ron the layout is really coming together. Unfinished buildings today are just videos waiting to happen and us 33% will be here to enjoy the journey!
    💜🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃💜

  • @johnbarone3426
    @johnbarone3426 8 месяцев назад

    Awesome video Ron that's a technique I'm gonna use for my layout great stuff. Happy Thanksgiving my friend.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thank you John, same to you ( although I'm a bit late) :-)

  • @DRCRailroard
    @DRCRailroard 8 месяцев назад +1

    Looks like you enjoyed making your streets. I made mine using thin sheets of Silly Winks from Hobby Lobby these are 11x18x1/16" thick foam sheets for about a dollar each. I used the black sheets and painted it with watered down grey craft paint. For a more weathered look I lightly sponge painted the center lines. I used a hobby knife with light pressure to make cracks and lightly painted them black to look like tar patched streets. The texture gives a good representation of asphalt streets.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      Sounds like another great technique and the price lines up real nice also :-)

  • @user-re4sl2cp3e
    @user-re4sl2cp3e 8 месяцев назад

    I always enjoy your vids, they brighten up my day

  • @w.rustylane5650
    @w.rustylane5650 7 месяцев назад

    Brush strokes can be eliminated by using a leveler for the paint. I usually use my airbrush. I really liked your idea of painting the cork so it looks like ballast. I see you're not wearing your striped hat and overalls. I've got 'em too along with the red scarf but sometimes I wear the purple one. I would have used the airbrush for painting the sidewalks. Cheers from eastern TN

  • @stevegerber2076
    @stevegerber2076 8 месяцев назад +1

    Looks really nice, great tips along the way. If you haven't, you should filter the craft acrylic before putting it into your brush. It can be clumpy. I have a good thinner and a cleaner recipe for craft paint if you're interested.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      Hello Steve, I was unaware of filtering it. Of course I'm just a newborn baby to this airbrushing thing. Thinner? So I'm picking up water is not that good? Oh Boy!! the learning curve is getting steep!!! Of course I would LOVE any knowledge you can share with me. Thank you

    • @stevegerber2076
      @stevegerber2076 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@classicmodeltrains Love to share. Water works but this is what I use: (from my notes)
      Thinner:
      100ml denatured alcohol
      250ml distilled water
      1/8 tsp glycerin
      Cleaner:
      75ml windex w/ammonia
      175ml denatured alcohol
      10 drops glycerin
      100ml = 1/2 cup + 1Tbs
      150ml = 2/3 cup

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      @@stevegerber2076 Thank you very much. Makes sense!!

  • @ecidaho
    @ecidaho 8 месяцев назад

    Great job Ron! Greta how to video thanks!!!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks again Erick. Were gunna have a white Turkey day. How about in your neck of the woods?

    • @ecidaho
      @ecidaho 8 месяцев назад

      @@classicmodeltrains Yeppers, looks like it will be a white T-Day here as well! Not what I would have ordered for the weather! Still restoring locos here as well! Have a few small Mantua 0-6-0s and even a 1980 2-8-0 that’s not tender driven on way! Winter projects. :). Take care and have a great Thanksgiving even if it’s dropping white stuff all over! Be safe!

  • @johnandrus3901
    @johnandrus3901 8 месяцев назад

    A very nice and informative video. I'm always looking for new ideas on how to do things like this. I saw your AMT cars on one of the shelves. I have a nice collection of them and run them almost exclusively. I''m still looking for a Pennsylvania observation to round out my Pennsy set. Once again, an excellent video. Happy Thanksgiving.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      Hello John, pretty sharp eye you have there for them AMT cars. I mentioned you in my last video but didnt call ya out by name. I think these cars are amazing and hope to come up with the complete set also. Seems they are pretty inexpensive on the e-bay. Hoping your T-day was good :-)

    • @johnandrus3901
      @johnandrus3901 7 месяцев назад

      @@classicmodeltrains I had a nice time. I hope that yours was excellent, as well. If you want Santa Fe cars, don't pay more than thirty or forty bucks each for them. I would put the RPO and combo car closer to the top and maybe go a bit higher if you really want them. NYC's are a bit harder to find, so the price moves up a bit. Pennsylvania cars move up some more and Southern tops things out. I don't even look for B&O and Reading. They are hen's teeth. The other ones from out west are like chicken lips, also. Texas Special and C&NW. I don't even know how to price these cars, as I have never even seen them, except in some pictures. The Budd RDC cars do show up now and then. Gook luck and keep coming out with these excellent videos.

  • @whip-its_dad4239
    @whip-its_dad4239 8 месяцев назад

    I went to my first model train show this weekend in Tulare , Calif . and it was really fun . Prices for this stuff left me with sticker shock that's for sure . I think I'll stick to watching guys like you working on cool stuff . Thank you for what you do .

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching and commenting. Pretty cool going to a train show. I have never been to one

  • @normancoreyBuildingTrains
    @normancoreyBuildingTrains 8 месяцев назад

    I think it looks good. Nice job

  • @Mikesmith-tm5sh
    @Mikesmith-tm5sh 8 месяцев назад

    Mix a little plaster with your black paint and tape your roads off use a 6 inch putty knife put it down. You can make pot holes. Like in Louisiana HWYs. I use this in a school project . Got a “A”

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      Congrats on your "A" project grade. I didnt want to do the plastering technique. I did a lot of research about that style. Perhaps my next layout will have plaster roads :-)

  • @MoosesWorkshop
    @MoosesWorkshop 8 месяцев назад

    Working on my roads currently as well. Like your videos!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for your compliment! Hope your roads are coming along well!!

    • @MoosesWorkshop
      @MoosesWorkshop 8 месяцев назад

      @@classicmodeltrains we will have a video on them next week. This week's videos are on making hills.

  • @caboosech
    @caboosech 8 месяцев назад

    That looks really great it looks realistic in my book you did a damn great job

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      Thank you Dave. Good thing you told me a few nights ago you paint your also. I might have ended up grouting them in :-)

  • @jamesfitch6431
    @jamesfitch6431 8 месяцев назад +3

    Nice job on the roads. Love the idea of using the parts of the kit as templates. I'm really sorry to hear about your dog. They really do become part of the family. I still miss my little buddy. Have a great day and model on.

  • @thomasmoroney4993
    @thomasmoroney4993 8 месяцев назад

    You are the road king….lol..great content!

  • @jack002tuber
    @jack002tuber 7 месяцев назад

    Nice video. I wonder if dipping a sponge in the paint and dabbing it would work? Also, I have that airbrush. Its a good one. I learned how to use it, set it up and to clean it. You'll like it once you get going with it

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад +1

      That's a good idea! would give the road surface some "texture" :-)

  • @mjamesb66
    @mjamesb66 8 месяцев назад

    Roads look great and a great video on how you made them. I enjoy that you keep your videos real. If you do more landscaping or other projects to your railroad Please don't hesitate to create a video. 33%

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      Thank you very much for your support of my channel Sir!!

  • @JAIRSEVERNAYA
    @JAIRSEVERNAYA 8 месяцев назад

    NICE COLETIOM NICE DISPLAY MY FRIEND

  • @RayBoebel
    @RayBoebel 8 месяцев назад

    Nicely done on the roads Ron! I made my own using foam core (video last year). I think I went over the subject when I rebuilt Union Station. Well, that area is gonna get redone at some point. I'm still messing with the dam & bridge scene (and the scratch build of course).

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks Ray. I have not done anything to my layout for months. feels good to be working on it finally

  • @emmanuelmakris8464
    @emmanuelmakris8464 7 месяцев назад

    Looks very nice, myself I use a foam roller to avoid brush strokes

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Thank you and I will try your idea next time. Sounds like a good idea to me!!

  • @ColdSteelRails
    @ColdSteelRails 8 месяцев назад

    Very nice!

  • @azmike1
    @azmike1 8 месяцев назад

    Yeah. The sticky Gum stuff is a great thing to have! I'm gonna get some.

  • @startrekking359
    @startrekking359 8 месяцев назад

    I used sand paper from Dollar tree cut it glued black paint at seems ran scale cars over it added additionals looks real good

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Right on! A lot of Fellers use that technique as well

  • @pauljohansson288
    @pauljohansson288 8 месяцев назад +1

    Iam sorry to hear about Max

  • @RoyLubbers01
    @RoyLubbers01 8 месяцев назад

    Great video Ron. I would buy one of your stickers and put it in my train room but unfortunately you don't ship to Canada lol😂 I found that out because I wanted to bid on a couple of your items that you had but ebay wouldn't let me.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      Canada is my mind not "international". It's just a bit North of me. So far the 5 I have sent out here in the states cost a bit less than $4.00 for shipping. If you private message me on my Facebook fan page we can figure out the shipping up to you. It would be $10.00 plus shipping

  • @user-uo5il4re4r
    @user-uo5il4re4r 2 месяца назад

    Lots of good ideas, I have a few of the Walthers streets and am not very impressed by them. But I have a hint that might help you with the paints. Black and white are known as 'neutral' colors, in the sense that they have no level of 'warmth' as opposed to say yellow, blue or red. Black and white are either the absence of any of the visibable wavelengths = black, or white which is the presence of all visible wavelengths. Ok, that is out of the way. The next bit is very practical. A lot of white is needed to lighten another color, and very little black is needed to darken a color. Which is exactly what you found in this video. So, as a sort of hint, if I want to lighten by a certain amount I'll use say 3 dolps of white... If I want to darken a color I'll use just one dolp of black. At your local artist supply store, like a Mchaels or similar you can get something called a color wheel. That is very useful when trying to get a particular color that you want. Anyway, YMMV as usual.

  • @bartcashman8000
    @bartcashman8000 8 месяцев назад

    Another great video,trial and error prevail!

  • @SleeperBBQ
    @SleeperBBQ 5 месяцев назад

    TY

  • @lynnmccurdythehdmmrc2561
    @lynnmccurdythehdmmrc2561 8 месяцев назад

    Ahhh, Airbrushes, a real Love Hate relationship. I've had a number of them, still do own a few. Love to use them, "HATE" cleaning them, especially after finding my son used and put away my new Paasche without cleaning.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      whats this "cleaning" thing your talking about? :-)

    • @lynnmccurdythehdmmrc2561
      @lynnmccurdythehdmmrc2561 8 месяцев назад

      @@classicmodeltrains and this is why I no longer use my airbrush.

    • @azmike1
      @azmike1 8 месяцев назад

      Yep. Take practice.

  • @kurtstrains
    @kurtstrains 8 месяцев назад

    When you're airbrushing, try more air, less paint. Maybe also hold the brush farther back. I find the best results when the paint is almost dry when it hits the surface. Exactly opposite of painting a car (or something shiny) where you want an even coat.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад

      Thank you for some airbrush tips. I know they can be an amazing tool once mastered

  • @danielwhite1126
    @danielwhite1126 8 месяцев назад

    Hi Ron Best Wishes to U and family for a super thanksgiving!! I have just finished re-tracking my layout to 031
    and its working fine. Question do you know the mim radius to trub Lion el Turbine 2020. Keep up the good
    work Friend look forward to the next video---Dan

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Hello Dan, Awesome your at 031 radius'! I dont even want to start a 3 rail layout till I have 48" or 56" radius. Get it closer to "prototypical". I'm not sure what the 2020 needs. I'm not really "up" on the Lionel stuff like other Fellers are

  • @startrekking359
    @startrekking359 8 месяцев назад

    You are good!

  • @jimorlando5700
    @jimorlando5700 8 месяцев назад

    Great video! What is the brand of plumbers putty that you use? Can you post a link for Amazon? Thanks!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      The Butyl tape I ordered it from my RV parts wholesaler. I'm not sure the manufacture, but every roll I've ever got my hands on seems to perform flawlessly.

    • @jimorlando5700
      @jimorlando5700 8 месяцев назад

      Thanks, I found it on Amazon for a reasonable price.

  • @BulldogB101
    @BulldogB101 8 месяцев назад

    You can adjust that air brush so it’s not double action!

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      Ohhh? The directions are 7 pages long with 9 different written languages on them. I must have skimmed them a bit fast. Would be nice too cut my teeth on a single and then later advance to the dual

  • @azmike1
    @azmike1 8 месяцев назад +1

    In HO scale....the rule is: " If it looks good at 5 feet away, then it's a winner!
    In G scale, if it looks good at 10 feet away. Then it's OK!

  • @wolframvonbach1685
    @wolframvonbach1685 7 месяцев назад

    sand the black before anfd mix white with gray for soft tones :3

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Completely agree! This was a learning lesson for me. what I did right and what I did wrong. Next one will be twice as good :-)

  • @4everdc302
    @4everdc302 8 месяцев назад

    I wouldn't use the plaster neither. I do like German roll of foam road.🚂🇨🇦🇺🇲👍👍

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      I will have to research that. Never heard of it.

  • @stevenpeaketrainsandstuff3682
    @stevenpeaketrainsandstuff3682 8 месяцев назад +1

    Yellow is the worst colour for coverage mate. I've tried different tips, but it remains difficult to deal with. Sorry to hear about your Max, dogs have this habit of meaning as much as anyone in your life. I feel for you. My dog is 18 years old, i dread the day i have to make that decision. Where do the years go? Steven.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +2

      Good evening Steven, Yeah that dang yellow. Must use dandelion petals for a base dye or something. Thank you for Max. 19 years is a good pull for your 4 legged friend. That decision will be tough for sure.

  • @jodyblackwell9012
    @jodyblackwell9012 7 месяцев назад

    The only reason I did it on Facebook so I could send a picture of it with shell a without

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      I was making reference to the private messaging available on Facebook.

  • @silvertrain7945
    @silvertrain7945 8 месяцев назад

    If you are feeling artistic, add a couple of black lines on your road the width of your cars to simulate Saturday night drags and fun loving kids.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  8 месяцев назад +1

      I LOVE that idea!!! Gunna have to include it for sure :-)

  • @adventuresinmodelrailroading
    @adventuresinmodelrailroading 8 месяцев назад

    You know, if your road is maintained by the county instead of the city or state, 1 coat would be overkill 😅.

  • @raymondleggs5508
    @raymondleggs5508 8 месяцев назад

    many companies sell street paper that is basically a roll of street printed tape, however It probably looks pretty bad in real life unless you are a good modeler, and the name that bachmann gave it "play tape" does not inspire confidence.

    • @classicmodeltrains
      @classicmodeltrains  7 месяцев назад

      Ive seen pictures of that stuff. Very primitive, but I would have enjoyed it back when I was a little one for sure. I used strings that held my paper route bundles of papers together.