This is really debatable tbh. MF DOOM has one of the greatest underground hip hop records of all time and his lyrics will always remain unparalleled. If I were ever to put these two in a battle I would put my money on DOOM.
lemme tell yall why they lowkey one of the best reviewers/reactors... Terrance is funny as hell so is terrell but the thing about terrance he says what alot of plp watching might be thinking too which might be controversial maybe cus its lowkey true but he goofy yet its dope watching his energy like his bro Terrell what i have been noticing is that unlike some who actually dont listen to the lyrics and take it in, he does and be catching shit most people would not catch unless they on rapgenius lol their compatibility and the fact that they both funnyshould lead to more views more power to themtho just earned a subscriber fr lol!!
Culture I absolutely agree I've been binge watching since I subscribed some weeks ago and I just realized how low of a count their subscribers are. They're bomb af though
Just came back to this video after hearing Kendrick’s New Album being announced today. 5 years later we still here & supporting you guys. Can’t wait to see the reaction to this new Kendrick album. I’m so hyped!
Duckworth is the story about how Anthony tiffith almost killed kendricks dad that's why that last bar got to be so bad "if Anthony killed ducky too dawg would be serving life and I'd grow up without a father and die in a gun fight" shits genius.
and then the rewinding at the end back to the first song is saying that thats what wouldve happened if top dog had killed his dad! ive had thisalbum all this time and just caught that
God Save Da Bears Yeah of THIS generation... so i assumed he means rappers that are alive and out now... that being Drake, J cole, etc. Not 90s rappers and some being dead...
Better than Quint, and I enjoy his videos. They actually doing some analysis and sharing opinions. Big Quint just break chairs and bop and scream "NIGGA".
yeah I honestly agree. When quint just says "I fuck wit this" and moves on to the next track, it makes me think he skips the end of the track and misses out on important content
So...if the blind woman is lady liberty or the justice system and Kendrick in Blood sees the she is lost (like how the industry and the system is corrupt) kendrick is just trying to help( realesing sons that talk about social consciousness and what's really going on ) but that gets interpreted as violence (Fox News bashing him and hip hop culture) and he gets shot down for it.. I'm dead💀 so many DAMN. layers
Tofu Papi Kendrick in his interview with zayn Lowe said it was true...Whenever top and his dad meet in the studio they always talks about that moment and laugh
I don’t care what anyone says, DAMN might just go up there as one of the most creative Hip-Hop albums of all time just like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.
Kendrick saved hip hop once again,listening to this album gave me good kid mad city vibe,his kind of rapper that when u listen to you his different than all the others
4:35 Their giddy smile that grows during "I know murder, conviction, burners, boosters, burglars, ballers, dead redemption ..." Always puts a smile on my face.
i was jumping and exercising and in my head i was like... are they gonna upload? So i come to my subscriptions one more time and i see you popped up lol
I don't normally watch reaction videos. However, I've watched this more times than i'd like to admit. You two are internet gold. I love music, and watching people get excited about it the same way I do is amazing!
Lust isn't about Kendrick talking to a girl. Both the lust and love track go together, in lust he talks about the people that just want the benefits from rap, while love talks about his love for rap, making two different types of feelings. The reason he says "let me put the head in" is because that's all people would be fine with. "I need some water, something came over me" He needs holy water, sin has taken over. People seem to only be paying attention to the chorus thinking that Kendrick is talking to a girl, but if you put the 2 verses together with the chorus then ypou get the much bigger picture. You guys will thank me later.
Im confused still. Is he saying let me put the head in. Is he talking about how hard he should work?? like should he go all the way or just enough to satisfy everyone.
Demitrival yea their observation was that Kendrick was talking back wards in the buildup to his verse on FEAR. Then the verse starts and the first thing he says is I'll beat your ass if you TALKING BACK. Referencing the backwards talking
Laissé trkl loic, il fait les premier écoute pour ce qui parle anglais comme nous et sa permet de faire connaître d'avantage la légende kendrick dont en France les gens ne connaissent pas pck il fait des titre pour les boîtes mais il est lyricalement au summum
Raul Ordaz True but it also represents how life itself doesn't care about intentions or morals in the end anyone regardless is gonna fall. Case in point with the old man shot because some lunatic couldn't handle being dumped.
J Cole fans don't kill me too much...
-Terrance
Mallory Bros. J. Cole is super overrated Terrance
Mallory Bros. yeah he's pretty over rated
Mallory Bros. i love kdot BUT RUN MY FADEEEE COLEWORLD ALL DAY FAM
Fuck you haters J cole is the real shit
Also kendrick but don't say J cole ain't shit cmon u knw this ain't true
Saqlain zafar no one said j Cole ain't shit he just over rated...
5:00 "I remember when my momma used to give me mac and cheese" " I remember when my momma used to make me oatmeal" had me deaddd 💀💀😂😂😂
Indigo Indea 😂😂😂😂😂
Indigo Indea I still come back to listen to this reaction just for that🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I died😂😂😂😂😂
Hahahah same
Yo that shit had me rolling
LMFAOOO that J Cole impersonation had me rolling😂💀😂😂😂 "I remember when my momma used to make me mac n cheese" LMFAOOO
Kevin Johns LMAOOOOOO
I WAS ROLLING 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I remember when my momma used to make me oatmeal 😂😂😂😂😂😂
hahahahahahaha omg me tooo. hahaha
Kevin Johns lmaooo. And it's accurate
I've watched this an unhealthy amount of times
dog i thought i was the only one re-watching these shits
I still am
Long Live Barry watching it now lol
Facts 😂🤣
Yoooo its like daily
Bro terrance's controversial comments are what make your reactions so great 😂😂
Facts!
That’s exactly WTF I said lol
Lmao fr
Creases me every video man 😂
If your album doesn't make Terrance walk back or take off his hat, was it really worth it 🤔
Facts
If it don’t get a “Lets goooo”, shit was trash, my guy.
NO CAP
@@Hitotsune26 Honestly
@@Hitotsune26 🙅🏾♂️🧢
had to run this video back for the 5 year anniversary of this album, classic reaction
Had to run this video back for the MMTBS announcement!!
ayyyyyy nathan the goat no cap😎😎
YOU TOO?!
ME TOO‼️
LEGIT ME RIGHT NOW
"we do not deserve kendrick"
lmaoo terrance is a trip
Lol, I said, "Speak for yourself dude! I need some real rap in my life."
👍
He’s right tho!!! He’s awesome, we DONT deserve him! He’s too good lol
He’s right though.
Talk about Dick Ridin'!!! 8:18
"Who can rap better than Kendrick?!" "TERRANCE. SHUT UP" LMAO
Best alive
This is really debatable tbh. MF DOOM has one of the greatest underground hip hop records of all time and his lyrics will always remain unparalleled. If I were ever to put these two in a battle I would put my money on DOOM.
amnesia no one asked
ლ,ᔑ•د͟͠•ᔐ.ლ shut your 'This channel is about...stuff' ass up
ლ,ᔑ•د͟͠•ᔐ.ლ 🤣🤣
every song “terrance we not bout to do this” LMFAOOOO IM SICK
😂😂😂
"Terrence, shut up!" my favorite part lol
So the whole video? Lol
Watching in 2024. The bros have really grown up 😂
3:13 5:00 7:03 10:30 12:35 16:13 20:35
You’re a great person for this😂🙌🏼
😂😂😂😂
How to get everyone to dislike your video 101 lol
j.cole fans punching the air.
20:35 sounded like peanut live
"my mama used to give me mac and cheese" lmao you guys had me dead
betheidea Bruh that shit had me dying
I've watched this a good 700 times.
alexis coles same😂
Same 😂
alexis coles Me too!!! 😄
Still watching 💪
Too many times 😂
"Remember when my momma used to make me mac n cheese, remember when momma used to make me oatmeal " reason I subscribed.
Michael Jordan 😂😂
😂😂
LMAOOOO
Jcole be like: lol Cole the goat tho
Facts 🤣
"Terrance...SHUT UP PLEASE"
"YEAH MY MAMA USED TO FEED ME MAC AND CHEESE!"
I love Terrance so much lol.
Still true after this past week 🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
11:16
“She rapped on a track with NIKKI BOI!”
“NiKkKKi??”
shit had me dead lmfao
😂😂😂😂😂😂
HILARIOUS..... NIIIKKKIIIII?
i read this as he said it, had me dying 😂
reminded me of soulja saying “DRAAAAKEEEEEE?!?!”
DRAKEEEE
LMAO WHEN HE TOOK OFF HIS HAT
A Cruz He slammed that shit on the floor 😂
Threw down*** his hat lol
Hands down the best Review and reaction channel on RUclips.
ClassyYouth how you not gonna show my nigga Quint some love and sugar ?
ClassyYouth them Zias and quint (the og) are the top 3
Devils In The Details Toronto don't forget Meami and Shawn Cee and Tabby
ClassyYouth i agree
IH-the99 quint fell off. He's late to all reactions and his peers have exceeded him in quality
"this was fuckin cinematic as- sorry, this was cinematic as HELL"
lemme tell yall why they lowkey one of the best reviewers/reactors...
Terrance is funny as hell so is terrell but the thing about terrance he says what alot of plp watching might be thinking too which might be controversial maybe cus its lowkey true but he goofy yet its dope watching his energy like his bro
Terrell what i have been noticing is that unlike some who actually dont listen to the lyrics and take it in, he does and be catching shit most people would not catch unless they on rapgenius lol
their compatibility and the fact that they both funnyshould lead to more views more power to themtho just earned a subscriber fr lol!!
Culture I absolutely agree I've been binge watching since I subscribed some weeks ago and I just realized how low of a count their subscribers are. They're bomb af though
exactly
Right!? Totally agree with all of this!
Culture agree 100%
Them and the law twins are the only ones I’ve found so far who care for lyrics
I just find it so funny how he rhetorically always asking if other rappers can do what Kendrick did and he be like " we ain't doing that" haha
"Rihanna just did something that Queen B cannot do.. continue" lmaoooo
Lol they both up there
@@jamaulortiz9 nah
"i didn't knowwww thaaat was rappiiiiing" 🤣🤣
Terrence you're killing me with your controversial ass 😂 awesome reaction guys
Super extra
when terrence keeps putting shit on jcole! 😂😂😂 "I remember when my momma used to give me mac n cheese" bruh I'm dead
When tf did J Cole ever sound like that
Just came back to this video after hearing Kendrick’s New Album being announced today. 5 years later we still here & supporting you guys. Can’t wait to see the reaction to this new Kendrick album. I’m so hyped!
facts
Same
yessir!
I swear to god these two the best at reacting to kendrick and rap music in general
2 months later and still waiting for it
I just subscribed because he kept saying the controversial shit.
Natasha Ahmed Same let the stans be sensitive. 😂
Stefan Woldridge I hate this dude Terrance , he whiling 😂
Y
Finally!!!! People who love Kendrick just as much as me 😩💁🏾
IKR
this been out a long ass time ago and i still go back to watch it😂
Me too, it's one of their best videos.
Same
Same lol
Same
I fuckin love their reactions. And the arguments between them are amazing
"LETSSSS GOOO"‼️😂😂😂😂 gets me everytime
LKG 4:28-4:53 lol
20:20 I've listened to FEAR hundreds of times and i've never made that connection. Wow excellent insight man.
DookiesDooker sorry man I didn't get it. Sincere question, can you help me?
@@byron9369 I think the bridge was spoken normally then backwards, then kendrick starts his verse saying I beat your ass you *keep talking back*
Yubbityyubba Oh wow! I see. Thank you!
FINALLY! Been waiting for these two to DO THIS!!! LMFAO
Terrell broke that shit down like he was a college professor. And Terrance broke them Cole Stans like a true nigga.
Swirly7! i almost pulled out a notepad and 3 binders when he started telling us theories
I was honestly so surprised because I had to listen it 3 times before getting the concept for the album. This nigga needed one listen. Props!
Swirly7! I've listened to it plenty of times already and still feel like I'm missing so much
IKR! There is still soo much to unpack. This album is a masterpiece in its own right. This guy is a legend.
Swirly7! Unpack that's the perfect word
Omg. Every time Terrance dogs on J. Cole I die laughing. "remember when my mama use to make me oat meal." hahahaha. I'm dead hahaha
That sounded nothing like J Cole
Duckworth is the story about how Anthony tiffith almost killed kendricks dad that's why that last bar got to be so bad "if Anthony killed ducky too dawg would be serving life and I'd grow up without a father and die in a gun fight" shits genius.
and then the rewinding at the end back to the first song is saying that thats what wouldve happened if top dog had killed his dad! ive had thisalbum all this time and just caught that
🤟🏾🤟🏾🤟🏾🤟🏾🤟🏾🤟🏾🤟🏾😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜
You are so funny 😂 The one with the gap shirt on 🤣
thats terrance lol
He ain't funny
Lol
karabo Segole hater
7:10
"Can Big Sean go from the first song to this song?"
"We not doing that"
I'm dead 😂😂😂
Kendrick easily the greatest of this generation n top 5 all time
Gideon Nartey without a doubt, idk how anyone can even try to compare him to the rappers in this generation
1. Nas
2. Pac
3. Rakim
4. Kendrick
5. Jay-Z
God Save Da Bears He said this generation not overrall lol
BasedGod Montymont
"Kendrick easily the greatest of this generation n *top 5 all time*"
Yeah learn to read
God Save Da Bears Yeah of THIS generation... so i assumed he means rappers that are alive and out now... that being Drake, J cole, etc. Not 90s rappers and some being dead...
Shit I hadn't noticed that "talking back" bar. You genius
C Gerardino I still don't get it
Kendrick was repeating the latest verse in reverse then the first thing he says is: "I'll beat your ass, keep talking back".
nixon Da kid he talked BACKwards and then said "I'll beat yo ass, keep talking BACK"
They remind me of the jellyfish from shark tale 😂😂😂
I see it now lol I’m deaddd ☠️
Ashlynn Lee Ernie and Bernie 😂😂😂😂😂
ERNIE AND BERNIE 😂😂😂
This shit made me cough up my cereal
Oh shit🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
DAMN is going to win a grammy
Wilson Gathabai grammys are white
to pimp a butterfly
Wilson Gathabai grammys
Kendrick should've won Grammy's for all his albums since GKMC, but the Grammy's are so whitewashed.
cant wait for that performance tho
Keep it up guys. Y'all are equally as entertaining as Quint, I was looking forward to this vid
Ben Eckstein idk about that lol big quint sacrificed his chair for entertainment
Better than Quint, and I enjoy his videos. They actually doing some analysis and sharing opinions. Big Quint just break chairs and bop and scream "NIGGA".
uhwaykin lolol the screams nigga part had me crying cause its so true!
yeah I honestly agree. When quint just says "I fuck wit this" and moves on to the next track, it makes me think he skips the end of the track and misses out on important content
uhwaykin yeah they the goats at this
The way Terrance threw off his hat 😂😂😂 8:02
No No fr I always come back for that🤣🤣🤣
@@ItzBundz Same! It’s crazy how just that made me appreciate that moment in the song that much more!
Song So good you gettin pissed Off😂😂😂
In the past week I've watched this about 10 times.
ElevateeV2 dito
IF IMMA HIT THAT LIKE BUTTON, IMMA MAKE IT LOOK SEXYYY !!
Honestly. Imma use this for everything #pimplife
Copies and paste*
Gun cci x
Jacob Sexy
Jacob If I gotta Subscribe to these Niggas imma make it look Sexy...
Who else notices each song correlates with the other? Blood to DNA. Yah to Element. Pride to Humble. Lust to Love. Fear to god 🤧
😯😶 omg that’s so trueeee..... HOW DID I NOT PEEP THAT🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🙎🏽♀️
Wow but could you explain the "Yah to Element" aspect
@@smiles4u92 yah aka Yahweh....aka God created the elements. Idk... Maybe that's the correlation
@@ChocolateThaiE okay, you mag be right. Thanks
And DUCKWORTH is BLOOD
There's a difference between black reactors and wack reactors
Paul Sidhu lol
Paul Sidhu facts
Paul Sidhu Clark b
W
Paul Sidhu 😂😂😂
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA How many times Terrell be like "TERRENCE CHIIIIIILL"
I cannot believe that I still come back to this review. I feel like a part of something every time I watch this.
Them and Bigquint the best reactors
joejoseph461 the Greek is really good as well
meami bro
joejoseph461 meami be blasting his shit Fr fr he one of the best too.
joejoseph461 Don't forget Zias my nigga
and Sean Cee
So...if the blind woman is lady liberty or the justice system and Kendrick in Blood sees the she is lost (like how the industry and the system is corrupt) kendrick is just trying to help( realesing sons that talk about social consciousness and what's really going on ) but that gets interpreted as violence (Fox News bashing him and hip hop culture) and he gets shot down for it.. I'm dead💀 so many DAMN. layers
Songs *
That's dope
Damn i didn't even think about it that way. Tbh that track is a fucking trip and i couldn't figure it out, on my mama fr.
Hozierrrr
Love your photo :) #hozierfannnn!!!
7 years later.. certified classic
Y'all know Duckworth is a true story? Top Dawg almost killed KDot's pops irl
Tofu Papi Kendrick in his interview with zayn Lowe said it was true...Whenever top and his dad meet in the studio they always talks about that moment and laugh
LOVE is unreal totally different vibe from kdot fucking killed it
16:10 That's Like Watching Memento And Going, "Ah, I get it!"
-Terrance lmaoooooooo
Terrance stay woke and upfront!
The whole album feels like a f*cking Tarantino movie
I was thinking the same shit.
Kendrick Lamar x Quentin Tarantino Collab would be 🔥🔥🔥🔥
You genuinely made the "DRAAAAAAAAAKE?" cool before big souljaaa
That J.Cole Impersonation was accurate af! LMFAOOOOOO
@3:10
Mega0003000 lmao FAX
Loomy Narty A condo in Compton I'm still in reach nigga FAX
Allen Bell the heart part 4
yes true 😂😂
i’m going back and forth w this reaction and terrell’s DAMN documentary
"Can big Sean go from 1 to-"
"TERRANCE WE NOT GON DO THAT!"🤣
That J Cole impression was the funniest shit I seen on youtube in bricks 😂
Shit doesnt even sound like J Cole
to me this is THE MOST entertaining review you guys did. I come back to it just to feel good. Great job fellas
I don’t care what anyone says, DAMN might just go up there as one of the most creative Hip-Hop albums of all time just like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.
Jayson Harris chill
Jayson Harris as a Ye stan it is very good ngl
facts
Damn was mid af
@@gkay8889 You don’t know music lol
the blind woman in blood represents the lady justice statue or justice system. 🔥
God damn I did not even think about it. You fucking right
Christian Ramirez
Are u god or something?
Nigga u good!
This is crazy
You damn blew my mind sir
Mind..blown
AHAHAHAH THAT J.COLE IMPRESSION KILLED ME
When did J Cole ever sound like that?
ive watched this reaction 4 times now... u guys are the GOAT
Will bro same
Kendrick saved hip hop once again,listening to this album gave me good kid mad city vibe,his kind of rapper that when u listen to you his different than all the others
Been waiting on this reaction the second the album dropped 😂🔥🔥🔥
Joe James I thought you said that kendrick dropped a second album 😂
Leah Batts 😂
Joe James I went on iTunes spotify everywhere looking for another album...damn you got me
Joe James facts
zzan lmao my fault
I still come back to this all the time💀💀💀
same
When yall argue it look like a mirror.....
XHAUSTEDgamer that spider man meme
DNA is one of the greatest rap songs to come out in decades. It needs a music video so bad!!!
jdc37162 He dropped one today.
Yeah it's dope af too
jdc37162 It's not even the best song on the album tho
jdc37162 he does
I come back to this reaction every 2 weeks... I get a feeling I'm not the only one!
i’ve watched this way too many times. i have the words memorized😭
@@mdemi7692 So many quotables in one video
I've never clicked a video so fast lmao
FINALLY
This is the most legendary reaction
This is by far my fav review I always come back to this.
4:35
Their giddy smile that grows during "I know murder, conviction, burners, boosters, burglars, ballers, dead redemption ..." Always puts a smile on my face.
The J Cole/Kendrick back and forth is the funniest shit now; aged like fine wine 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
i was jumping and exercising and in my head i was like... are they gonna upload? So i come to my subscriptions one more time and i see you popped up lol
You guys are so entertaining. You have gained a sub
i subbed as soon as your heads started nodding simultaneously on DNA LOL
These dudes are all scared that the j Cole fans gonna hate, 1k likes , 27 dislikes, even j Cole fans can't hate on King Kendrick
Pineapple 303 we love both Kendrick and cole so it's all good son
Pineapple 303 Man I'm a jcole fan but I can't hate on a legend ,Kendrick the King
Pineapple 303 most J Cole fans fuck with Kendrick, everyone wants that collab album
What? We want a jcole and Kendrick album. Lol maaaaaaan they teased us with those covers(or remix)
"Nobody wants to see you drinking!" 😭😭😭
I actually watched the whole ad for the purpose of helping you guys out, but it was actually a really wholesome and touching ad 😂 glad I watched it
Y'all took hella fucking long... been waiting for this!
Derek Brock: it only took 2 days more
"Your not gonna need migos unless it's quavo.....and he's only doing the hook🙂 that's about it". IM DONEEEE😭😂
You cute
Lmaooooo
I don't normally watch reaction videos. However, I've watched this more times than i'd like to admit. You two are internet gold. I love music, and watching people get excited about it the same way I do is amazing!
Lust isn't about Kendrick talking to a girl. Both the lust and love track go together, in lust he talks about the people that just want the benefits from rap, while love talks about his love for rap, making two different types of feelings. The reason he says "let me put the head in" is because that's all people would be fine with. "I need some water, something came over me" He needs holy water, sin has taken over. People seem to only be paying attention to the chorus thinking that Kendrick is talking to a girl, but if you put the 2 verses together with the chorus then ypou get the much bigger picture. You guys will thank me later.
Yeah they definitely took it at face value but that's just off first listen. Deeper themes like that you need multiple spins
yoo didn't catch that good looks
Im confused still. Is he saying let me put the head in. Is he talking about how hard he should work?? like should he go all the way or just enough to satisfy everyone.
myncraft1 It's like the game "just the tip". He does some pretty good storytelling of a man and a woman's lustful lifestyles in Verse 1
jeffhardy038 you know it might not be that complicated Kendrick describes a lot of emotions love pride lust etc but who knows but Kendrick
I subscribed just based on the observation from 20:28
Brian N same that shit was a haymaker 😂😂
InsaneJuggernautMM word bro that knocked me out when I heard that! I wonder if Kendrick did it intentionally
Rey Neira tbh can someone explain lol srry I'm slow
Demitrival yea their observation was that Kendrick was talking back wards in the buildup to his verse on FEAR. Then the verse starts and the first thing he says is I'll beat your ass if you TALKING BACK. Referencing the backwards talking
Really? Thats like one of the only observations i made first listen
proud of y’all kings! we still watch these “old videos” and appreciate the laughs and the seriousness in moments of need. love🤞🏾
FINALLY DAMN
ManarSaedz /منار do i know you? I think i've seen you before✋🏾
idk do you ?
- RUclips pickup lines
NØMAD crying 😭 💀
''Terrance, were not gona do that'' hahaha love you guys
I swear to god if more life gets a grammy over DAMN. I'm gonna flip
Hypebeast go ahead & flip. Bitch.
Better, he got a Pulitzer!
He got a Pulitzer, nothing is higher than that. Watch the video.
He got the Grammy tho
And a pulitzer
Pshhh jcole fan
This channel funny af. Can't wait to see yall grow. Keep doing yall thing
To avoid copyright claims I try to only put 1 or 2 bars from a song and pitch up the song.
Great reaction !
Loic Reviews j'suis mort kestu fou là 😂
thats the reason ur reactions suck. No one wants to see someone react to 10 second of a song
h
Laissé trkl loic, il fait les premier écoute pour ce qui parle anglais comme nous et sa permet de faire connaître d'avantage la légende kendrick dont en France les gens ne connaissent pas pck il fait des titre pour les boîtes mais il est lyricalement au summum
bien parlé
peace
Aww cute when yall were younger! I had to re-watch! Love you guys! 😍
blind lady is justice. She kills him representing police brutality and wrongful killing.
Raul Ordaz True but it also represents how life itself doesn't care about intentions or morals in the end anyone regardless is gonna fall. Case in point with the old man shot because some lunatic couldn't handle being dumped.