The Biggest Mystery is finally solved | INS Vikrant | हिंदी में
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2022
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i still remember how serious you were those days about ins vikrant lift and other defence experts and youtuber make fun of taking ratio of lift to actual size of carrier for lift size calculation. awesome @defence matrix
Lol.
It doesn't make sense .
If indian navy will say dasault they will surely add folded wings .
10 m width is actually enough because ins vikrant is small aircraft carriers
@@Adityasingh1839 do you think rafale gonna come with folded condition..that requires redesigning right?
True
Fa 18 aren't coming before 2 years of signing contract. We should increase the width of lift by 2-3 meters. One time painful retrofit is better than 30 years long pain.
FA 18 super hornet folded wind length is 9.30 m and here lift width is 10m, it will be tight fit there...
@@subhro1019 More tolerance is needed.
Correction - minimum of 3 years will be taken for first aircraft
@@71_harishranjan81 damn
Some people are confused here in comments. Defense matrix is saying 10 * 14 metre is the lift size and so Super Hornet can indeed fit as Hornet folded size comes to 30.6 feet which is about 9.29 metre!
It is to be cleared in my view, although iam naive to say this that TEDBF shouldn't be designed according to the lift rather lift should be modified to accommodate TEDBF so that aircrafts capabilities shouldn't be compromised
It's almost impossible to modify lift and structure of an aircraft carrier.
It will be taken out of commission for months or even a year
Plus you are talking about changing the main structure
I don't think it would be feasible
@@jesletkuriakose maybe during major refit
I don't know on what those designers were high on, when they were designing the lift. RIP Foresight.
3 billion dollar ship, didn't build elevators wide enough to accommodate the top maritime fighters. What a sad joke this is.
Russian lobbied as we all know for mig 29k.
Designers sirf Design karte hai , navy ke planners ki tareef karo
Iam not sure but I think the design has been brought from Britain by India. I think Britain made the lift as per their own requirement.
@@sriharivaila7276 no.. british design is completely different..it is for INS vishal.. and it won't be copy..
“Tum navy se zyada nahi jante” is such a stupid argument ! actually a classic example of the logical fallacy of appeal to authority.
It's really strange that The lift wasn't built with the possibility of operating any other fighter then mig29k !!!!! Just that single limitation is big enough to hamper operations for the new carrier. It's really weird how they built the whole ship with mig29k in mind 🤦🏻
It's keel was laid in 2009, so obviously they only had Mig-29K as the option
Over confidence or lack of vision or both are at play here.
Wait f18 is comming.. Dont worry 🇮🇳👍
@SSR 😃😃
Being paid off in rubles to kneecap your own navy, hope it was worth it
Rather than blaming anyone for this😃😃, actually if we study chronology of events , in 1990's 60000 ton varyag aircraft carrier was offered to indian navy , then indian naval chief in one of the interview he said "what will we do with a 60000 ton varyag aircraft carrier when many of our ports cannot accommodate that kind of ships " that was the state of things of our martime sector in general and navy in particular.
Just after kargil war in 1999 plan to build an aircraft carrier was envisaged which at that time was planned to be a 30 kiloton carrier then the design phase of the carrier was started, but in 2005 the design was reviewed and changed to a 40+ kiloton carrier, though the actual ship-building phase started in 2009.
In 1999 when the design phase of the carrier was started we were under sanctions from USA we could not even think of USA aircraft at that point of time, rafale's induction had just started for French airforce with no export order or any kind of success for that aircraft.
F18, mig 29k, mig 29, jaguars, rafales, su30mki, mirage 2000, tejas. We are the only military that flies 8 different types of air crafts. I think we have world class manpower for sourcing spare parts and logistics.
Once you start using superior platform you can’t go back. Navy would buy more FA18 in future. India should go for old hornet as a stop gap with AESA radar .
Good news...
And great analysis....
It's rather bad news
Great analysis
I am a common man with ordinary ideas 😅... But still I will say that it is not right to purchase an expensive aircraft like Super Hornet just for feeling the gaps of TEDBF. Navy should consider Mig 29k and LCA Naval for this job.
100% Agree 🙌 But Russia went to war ☠️
War preparation only for win.. No other thing is important 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳👍
@John Hero Lol carrier, more like Aircraft cruiser.
@@India-or2so go and watch pogo. 😂😂
Bilkul sahi kha sir ji apna jai hind jai bhawani 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🇮🇳🚩
Proud on the officers of navy for such brilliant forecasting...
It's bothering me that TEDBF would be designed according to the lift dimensions and not according to the best adodynamics or performance.
Making the lift a little bigger to accomodate aircrafts bigger than Mig 29 was not a difficult thing. It is really strange that lifts are designed so small that it is difficult to accommodate aircrafts which will operate there.
Chalo... Induction toh hua. 2013 se sunn rahe the ki agle saal se commission hoga
2013 se ??
Koch bi
Ins Vikramaditya
एअर क्राफ्ट carrier है 20 हजार करोड का खिलोना नही 5..10 साल तो लगगे 🇮🇳👍
Thank you for the information
their is on point in buying FA 18 super hornet rafell ke wings ko to india me bhi modify kiya ja skta h
Unexpected Bro ❤️
बधाई हो
I like your continuation of the '80s retro electro intro music
Yeah I saw that video and defence matrix was criticized by many viewers as well as other yt channels.
So we are buying F18.
@defence matrix -congratulations defence matrix you have been proved correct, at the time of previous video about "this lift " this had become a source of tension for you. 😊
@John Hero 😄😄
@John Hero we had named the serial as "kissa lift ka".
There is also a song by adnan sami
"Thodi bhi tho 'lift karaadhe, shaane maula lifta karaadhe" 😃
Abbhi time he sabko side me rakh ke LCA Navy ko lene ka 💪💪😅 .
Lca navy अबतक बनकर तयार नहीं हुवा है... F 18 कोई मुकाबला नही दुनिया मे.. चीन डरता है तो केवल अमेरिका के हतीयारो से.. सच येही है 🇮🇳🇮🇳
@@India-or2so Koi Batao bhai ko ke iske pehle ka video dekh le, LCA Navy ne saare trials pure kiye he aur uska ek aur aircraft ban ke ready ho raha he.
Finally Alpha Defence vs Defence Matrix ended.
Ye start kab hua tha?
Alpha Defence is very misleading and false information channel.
@@Falconof96 when they both made different claims regarding lift width few months back.
Defence Matrix has always been the more professional channel.
Alpha defence yr mtlb i mean i left watching him when he fought a Caucasian justifying the Arjun tank..
Fit it diagonally, problem solved!
Thanks Pythagoras later 😀
Nice joke brah 👌
Makes since if aircraft is very thin but fa18 is not thin
Wow! Defense Matrix proven right in something! Congratulations.
He has always been right. He said that 3rd Aircraft Carrier is not needed right now but that P-75I nd P-76( nuke subs) are far more necessary. He was proven right in that. He said that the INS Vikrant's lift was 10m - he was proven right. He was always against MRFA 2.0. He has been proven right.
Who even approved a flawed design such as this, designed for MIG 29K is not a valid defence.
This shows the far sight of our designers.
Now we have an aircraft with a sea facing, ill-matched lift, a tight fit for the very fighters it built for.
And the navy is pouring tax payer money in testing the F/A-18 Super Hornets and the Rafale.
How stupid!
🙏🙏 veer ji
Kudos to the Engineers and Arms lobby .
Imagine, INS Vikramaditya and Vikrant(Rafale) .
2 niligiri class frigate, 2 kamorta class corvete, 2 Vishakhapattanam class destroyer .2 Diesel Submarine. 1 Arihant .
Guess the destruction.
Rate my fleet.
@Ara Ezz Then add just one more Arihant submarine.
I think , now it is enough to destroy even whole continent
Add 3 missile boats also, it'll be more destructive, remember Operation Trident & Python, then it'll be 10/10 💥
But rafale can't fit so everything is just words here.
I doubt both our carriers will operate together 1 for each eastern and western areas plus there's a good chance both might not even be available together much since they need to go in repairs etc which take like 1 or 2 years
INS Vikrant
2 x Vish Class Destroyers
2 x Nilgiri Class Frigates
1 xTalwar Class Frigate
1 x Kamorta class "Frigate"
1 x INS Chakra
2 x Deepak Class Fleet tankers
INS Vikramaditya
2 x Vish Class
2 x Nilgiri Class
1 x Talwar Class
1 X Kamorta Class
1 x INS Arihant
2 x Aditya Class/Jyoti Class tankers.
EACH fleet carries 21 Fighter jets, 20 Helicopters, 56 BrahMos and 200+ Surface to Air missiles.
If we had more Fleet tankers, we could form another fleet too
INS Jalashwa
2 x Kolkata Class Destroyers
2 x Nilgiri Class Frigates
2 x Talwar Class
1 x Kamorta Class
2 x Fleet tankers
We really need more fleet tankers!
If you'll see the entrance of the lift it's even less than 10m
Everyone's talking about the lift size restrictions of Vikrant but keep forgetting that we are on a path of making the same mistake of "designing" TEDBF to match vikrants lift. This might hamper TEDBF's performance or even restrict it's performance as the fighter cannot be made any little bigger
True agreed
I think TEDBF will have foldable wings so it can exceed the lift width.
How much would it cost to modify the structure to accommodate bigger lifts or is it just not possible?
I don't think it's possible without tearing the ship itself
You cannot bring any change in the lift as it is already made in the way the ship's superstructure as it was built.
I think during During major refit, it would be possible. Though it would come with a big price tag.
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
There is a serious need of interoperability among forces...how do we expect coordination which is critical today when the vendors/ countries within each arm are not the same...Su 30mki(Russian), Rafale (French), prospective F/A 18 (US),Mig 29K (Russian), Tejas (Indian)....The list goes on and on across different aircraft types.....that's why we have failures like post Pulwama air skirmish where we shot down our own helicopter and Air Force men.
This is conman thing...Happen with every major country...
@@Unitedworld4364 This “conman” thing cannot happen if India aspires to be a serious power….none of the top forces have this problem.
Jai hind jai bharat
Now it has been confirmed by "supreme defence authority defence matrix" that lift is 10 meters wide, rafale-m won't fit in the lift ,f-18 will somehow have to be tightly squeezed in, f-35b also has a width of of 10.5 metres, mig-29k navy will not buy ---- now for navy to seriously think of NAVAL LCA.
👍👍👍
I think very short sighted approach of designing anything why will you design an aircraft carrier based on only one aircraft rather then checking the longest avaiaaible wing span in market as this will be an issue in future also since we keep air craft carriers for very long time and aircrafts come and go
I don't understand much about designing but i think lift here could be easily made 12m wide keeping future possibilities in mind, don't know why they kept themselves limited unnecessarily.
If anyone knows, pls answer.
Back then
Their only option was mig29k, so they designed it around mig29k only.
And also bcz of Russian money in Navy's pockets to design it accordingly.
@@jackharper5642 even if it is for mig29k why can't they spare 2-3m more??
Its like unnecessarily blocking yourself on such huge project.
Still can't understand the mentality
Hey, Defence Matrix is it absolutely impossible to enhance the dimensions of the lifts of INS Vikrant now. What are your views on this ?
Good question. @defence matrix may answer this qn.
Impossible
The F/A 18 Super Hornet is around 20% cheaper than the Rafale M. A BIG DIFFERENCE. And it is a tried and tested aircraft.
US weapons come with strings attached. We could have ordered 100+ Rafale M + A/B and built in India.
@@echosmith5256 No strings here .
F 35 will surely be the exact solution as stealth aircraft with vertical taking off capability. Better option to counter Chinese stealth threth.
Nope even f-35 will not fit, it has a width more than 10 meters.
I think F35B will fit in both aircraft carriers.
F18 is a good fighter but extremely old.
F35B can also be used in the Himalayan region with small runways and helipads particularly when China is using 5th Gen fighters in this region.
F35B will also give some breathing space to India's AMCA program.
Not it will choke down AMCA then airforce will also demand same. And funds for AMCA will be reduced
It’s too expensive
A Big Thumbs up 👍 For The Intro
जय हिंद
The carrier took over a decade to be built. The decisions they took would have been based on the mindset 10 yrs back. We did not have the kind of foriegn policy that we have today. I guessing no in that circle would have considered even the remotest possibility of american jets on vikrant, and given our ties with russia must have overshadowed these considerations.
Americans have been trying to sell us jets for 50+ years.
Or we were just idiots..which means that we didn't took consideration of changing world politics...which also means mmrca crap that was there in 2010 was also Just show off..
20 years -10 years planning/designing+ 10 years building.
They should make some changes in lift, it takes around three years to induct rafale or f-35b. Better we should go with f-35b or even if rafale also just fine.
Inducting new fourth generation fighter with total new infrastructure may not be the best option when all r inducting fifth gen fighters.
F35b huh... Who Wants To Give You And Who Is Gonna Take That??
@@ananyasain1241 Lockheed Martin 😌
They're lobbying now to sell it to India.
@@jackharper5642 😏 and We Will Never Gonna Take That Because Iska Operating Cost Bohut Jyada Hai USA Khud Iska Cost Bear Nahi Kar Pa Raha Hai Sare Chup Chupa Ke Grounded Kar Ke Rakha Hai Or Wuska Cost Hum Bear Kar Paienge?? Or Bro S400 Ke Chalte USA Use Kavi India Ko Dega Vi Nahi Kui Ki Uska Deta Russia Ke Pas Chala Jaiega😏😏😏
Now lift dimensions are out the dassault aviation could think of navy based modification for Rafael-M like adding foldable wings capabilities. Or we can have Rafael on old aircraft (16.5 x 11.20) carrier in use and switch mig 29k to new carrier. Does it make any difference. ?
समय 2014 उस समय माना जा रहा था कि mig 29K में कोई खामियाँ नहीं होंगी, ये सोंच कर इक विक्रांत को design किया गया।लेकिन ओपरशन के दौरान हुए क्रैश से सब कुछ धूमिल हो गया और नये फाइटर की जरूरत बताई गई।
अब जब ये बन चुका है तो same डिमेंशन के नये जेट्स लेने होंगे।
Thanks, for the info :) F-A/18 Hornet ko hi consider karna chahiye IAF kooo.. kyunki future mein bhi Indian army ko aur bhi S-400 induct karne pad sakte hain.. aur F-A/18 Hornet aa gaya phir USA sae sanctions ki problem nahi rahegi.
Illogical
F 18 is an outdated fighter. Even US Navy didn't want them in such a large numbers.
I agree. Boeing India has given us good offers for MRO and Make in India.
Dassaul-Reliance facility has a long way to go before actually being functional.
@@Adarsh99red Suggest me a better logic.
@@direwolf7491 boeing promise MRO for p8I as offset, where is that
We will not get TEDBF before next 10 years. Better to concentrate of f 18 and also plan for a 3Rd aircraft carrier.
Please make a video on weapons package of IAC-1
When Tedbf comes all these FA18 can be converted into growlers
Love u bro
Khush to bahut hoge Aaj tum
India se Brazil ka distance cover krne me saksham hoga, lekin kis route se? Suez Canal? Panama Canal? Ya South Africa ke neeche se?
We need a video on the AK-630 vs USA phalanx close-range counter system. Which is better?
AK 630 is old gun
Goalkeeper > Phalanx > ....... > AK-630.
@John Hero ciws can stop only 1-2 missiles.
Ye standardisation ka problem army, Navy aur airforce me tab tak rahega. Jab tak hum kisi ek taraf nahi jukte. Maano ya na maano, sabhi jagah se weapons kharidna bhi economically viable nahi hai. Aakhir me ye sab karke ham logistical nightmare khada karega.
Navy should consider to fill this gap with Naval Tejas until the expected indigenous TEDBF comes. Indigenous IAC with indigenous LCA...It will be a message to the world.
Lobbyists are trying every now-and-then to dominate our Indigenous products....it’s a serious obstacle in the road to become a superpower.
Kaveri engine ka kya ho raha hai... Or india ki requirement k according 125 kilo newton thrust ka engine hum safran k sath banayenge ya kisi or US company k sath ya isme FA-18 ki deal mein boeing k sath engine banane ki deal kr sakte hain...
I had no doubt about your thesis(10m) back then...to prioritise submarines projects... everything was upto point..still believe in that..cash crunch is a serious issue to be tackled, just project in pipeline se kuch ukhadne nhi wala
Kitna corruption or inefficiency h humari armed forces me .. aircraft’s carrier bna Liya but fighter jet ka dimensions nahi socha
Which clearly means that we will have to shift most of our Mig 29 K's to INS VK and use FA 18 Super Hornet Block III from IAC1? Or have some Mig 29 K's to spare on IAC1
🙂
Which idiot designed the lift anyway...? Did they think that the Mig 29K will have eternal service life.....? While Designing an important Asset like a carrier, there should be atleast some level of common sense to make it versatile and NOT centred around a single system or technology......
Ha bhai thoda aur barha dene me unki jeb se ja rha tha kya?
Classic Indian crab mentality design thinking - taking care only of current specs with no thought for future expansion.
@@echosmith5256 Exactly.....
Who was considering the purchase of different fighter at design time?
A clearer picture was of developing a fighter compatible to carrier and not vice versa.
Russian lobbied for mig 29k as we all know this.
Tejas maybe used in future.....idk
forget abt those calculation.. but i still wonder why is the F-18 hornet still in ur content ...
Sir INS vikrant ke liye jo fighter select hoga vo lease par liye jayenge ya purchase kiye jayenge
Yeh naval tejas ko ge f414 ke sath kyu nahi set kartey powerfull engine ke sath kam sae kam jet hi under performance ka issue toh resolve kiya ja sakta hai.
Why are only three ak 630 systems are fitted where is the fourth one as per actual design
Rafale obliquely fit ho jae shayad...
How did you get footage for the naval ships for your video
Vai 1 Q hai.. Indian Navy Nuclear powered engines kyu develop or use nahi kar rahe hai.. wo kaphi acha hoga .. traditional fuel k upar dependence Kam ho jayega.. I think
Lift thora bara hone se kya jata hai? Sure there was serious corruption
When TEDBF fully developed ...INS Vikrant retires 👍
How many total fighter jet can ins vikrant hold at any time and how many will be there in its hanger
Let us put this in proper perspective, just because of the "lift" Is small and the "rafale-m" does not fit into the lift "rafale lobby" Seems to be upset and hurling accusations that "indian navy is incompetent, indian ship designers are useless " So on and so forth.
One should remember the period of 1999 to 2009 when these entire "vikrant" Project was taking shape and was in planning stage, the global environment was in such a state of flux and change,where there were too many variables and imponderables which could not be factored in the planning.
At that point of time if one can refresh one's memory even Russia was fully in the western camp except from becoming a nato member.
Navy messed up with vikrant. Jab hum ghar banate hai toh main door bhi thoda bada hi rakhte for future convenience aur yeh to aircraft Carrier hai isme kaise galti kar Gaye?
Tejas Neval version good
Main radar kab lagega iska??
Mujhko bhi to loft kara de 😭
- Rafael M
🇮🇳🇮🇳💪🇮🇳🇮🇳
Defence Matrix: WHAT'S THE DIAGONAL LENGTH OF a 10m x 14m RECTANGLE? 🤔 Surely it's more than 11 meters. Has anyone considered that it may fit if it is put kindof sideways in the lift?
Lol, I'm not sure if I'm a genius or a total fool 🤪
Make a 10 cm x 14 cm rectangle and measure the diagonal...
Cheers 🥂
I think if we put aircraft in diagonal position then the length of aircraft will exceed because currently the aircraft is seafacing but with diagonal position its front or back will touch side parts.
If we buy something we always think of future possibilities in mind but our engineers they think of past only😤😤😤😤
Sorry bro even engineers and designers can't do a thing when their superiors are pressuring them.
@@vipulsingh1828 this is the reason we are not progressing.
Hamen Aisa plan Lena chahie Jo donon per fit baithe taki ek strategical advantage mile Dushman Dushman yah Na samajh paye ki kaun si plane per kaun sa aircraft tainat hai
It will takes more 3-4 years to becomes vikrant fully loaded with fighters
Strange, They were extremely unhappy with mig29k's from the start. but still they designed the lift only for the same aircraft.
Seriously????? Sometimes I doubt whether they are playing games? Is long term planning not their job? They say you can buy airforce in one not but it takes decades to raise a Navy. Navy should plan for at least 26 years. Where is the vision where is the planning and visio to build.
You can say in 2009 we don't know about lift size. But since the nuclear deal itself we knew that, US is warming up to India just because they want to sell their fighters and weapons.
I still feel and I hope Navy would only use NLCA as a stop gap till TEDBF is ready. It will free up money for quick development. Spend that money to hire consultants from Boeing
@John Hero may be 10 years. But it's not a good idea to use 3 different types of Naval aircraft. When Each forign one comes with it's own set of problems
US uses only one type on 10 carriers that is about 1000 aircraft plus 1000 more on reserve.
@@pravinmeher2036 3 ?
Which 3 ?
@@kanekiken2002 mig 29k, fa-18, and TEDBF. Out of that first one has already proven to be a huge nightmare in maintainance.
If navy opts to go for NLCA, there would still be 3 aircraft but. Out of them 2 would be indigenous.
@@pravinmeher2036 TEDBF ko abhi 20 saal lagenge.
Uski chinta mat kar.
@@kanekiken2002 vohi bol raha hu, if we buy fa-18's navy would be left with no funds. Definitely then it will take 20 years. I was trying to say, use that money to speed up TEDBF. Pay that money to Boeing consultants if you need to and get it done in 10-12 years.
Purchase of Mig 29 is pre decided.
Now if it's only about 26 aircrafts then I think mig 29k will be perfect with an AESA radar and the upcoming Indian upgrade
What about engine failure
Perfect in what sense? It's such a bad aircraft! Just look at it's serviceability. Note that I'm talking about the naval version. It's a big headache for the navy. That's why it's not even being considered now.
Well the navy had already said that it's above 70%, now you guys are still on the old 2016 CAG report 🤦🏻♂️
@@kshitijsingh8664 garbage...liability for Indian navy, last year we lost one of our young pilot for this
@@tenzinganag5348 are u from nagaland bro? Asking because of your name.
Content is good but there's too much bass and a bit loud backgruond music!
Ek room kam bnta lekin lift to badi bna lete .
😭😭😭😭😭😭
Jab navy ko pata chal gya tha ki Vikrant ke lift me Rafale fit nahi hoga fir bhi Rafale M ka test karne ka natak kyu kiya.....Samay ki barbadi.
It is frustrating
😭😭😭😭😭Gayo Re Mahre Rafale M 😭😭😭😭😂😭😭😭😭✌️🤘🤘
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