yahi to hamare yaha problem hai pahle requirement rakho 100 rupya wala aur paisa do 10 rupya uske baad bhi agar DRDO/ADA 90 rupya wala kaam 10 rupya me kar de to ulta usse gali do
No proper funding, no test bed. Hazar files aur application ke baad fund release. Aur koi breakthrough Mila to check karne ke liye Baar baar Russia bhejo. Ye hamare desh me make in India naam ki jo Topi pehnayi gyi hai, sab bakwas
The new Kaveri will be ready only after 2027 which produces 82KN and the after burner part is being made by Brahmos Aerospace. 2027 is the best case timeline
Now HAl can't rely on DRDO's promised date of 2027 . ...That could take 2027+ . That will then help HAL to play the blame game between them (DRDO & HAL).It will be an endless wait and IAF will be likely to get fucked from PAF
Next big breakthrough for us will be when we crack the Kaveri engine and get the desired high thrust according to required specifications. The engine program had remained underfunded for so long, and only recently it has started being taken seriously, i hope we can pull it off asap
बिल्कुल सही सलाह दी है आपने अपने वीडियो के माध्यम से ऐसा ही करना चाहिए भारत सरकार, वायुसेना और डीआरडीओ को ताकि अमेरिकी निर्भरता जल्द से जल्द खत्म हो सके।
It seems that there is a deep lobby in drdo and hal , which does not want kaveri engine to be made soon, which is responsible for delay in tejas and amca fighter aircraft rollout delay, even in some member of air force also not interested in tejas and amca and both lobby are funded by foreign equipment manufacturer.
Stupid the problem is not the thrust but longevity of the engine to perform effectively. Indian army doesn't wants to take risk with these engine that's it nothing like whatever u said.
This kaveri engine with snecma core would take time to develop which would also include lot of testing, again would involve lot of delay instead of solving the problem of delays it would add to the problem.
Exactly testing the new engine and everything will be a headache and time consuming but Americans and GE can't arm twists India if we switch to M88 core easily. France is more reliable and if given more funding we sure can come up with a Kaveri that is as good or even better than current M88 considering the fact that we developed all this with no proper test facility and through a lot of red tapes with 300 million dollars. Imagine what proper test bed and test facility and some 5 billion or even more dollars would open up 😅
A better idea is to scrap the MK2 and quickly create a design for ORCA. Use the 2 x Kaveri engines (of whatever thrust) for those planes. Just keep the overall weight of the aircraft down and slightly reduce the maximum weapons payload carrying capacity. That is by far the best solution. The IAF needs to hurry and make this decision NOW and not drag its feet. The program is already underway as the TEDBF (although with the F414 in mind). The plus side is that if F414 is also delayed and delayed, the ORCA (with Kaveri) could serve as a backup option for (a reduced performance) TEDBF. Try to design the engine bays to be modular and replaceable with (future) higher thrust Kaveris -- although that will be difficult no doubt. The above ORCA solution is the best solution from timeline, cost and strategic independence perspective. It will also add much needed funds for development of TEDBF.
😂. MK2 is based on MK1 , lengthened fuselage, canards . Minimum redesign and certification. DRDO took more than 45 years to bring LCA program to this state . ORCA even if the airforce accepts the proposal will be available 35 years from now with significant foreign help. Reality is a bit harsh , India doesn’t have industrial base to develop aerospace alloys and electronics needed in aviation industry . You have to crawl, walk and run before you fly , there is no shortcut to this . Aircraft engines evolve overtime, so do designs . You can’t expect miracles from Tejas and Kaveri program . If you need cutting edge planes , you have to import , there are no substitutes .
@@Kalkiawatar TEDBF is already underway and its not 35 years to its introduction but a few more years. So don't make up bogus numbers. Secondly, most of the aircraft is not made of alloys but composites as all modern aircraft are. Tejas MK1 alone has far higher composite material composition than other fighters of its generation. The engine alloy for the Kaveri dry and wet section in its current thrust configuration have already been developed and the engine is being prepared for certification. So there's isn't anything to create on that end. ORCA is a proposed variant of the TEDBF without the need for oceanic surface search radar, strong undercarriage, complex flight controls for STOL and other naval based systems. If anything, it is easier not harder than the TEDBF to develop. ORCA is the best option because it does nto require overly powerful Kaveri engines. The current batch of Kaveri 1, if they can be certified, would be sufficient for ORCA.
More required than atleast 7 year although, we come to close at 75 kilo nutan thrust this is Good progress and stable progress infact 75 kilo neuton thrust with stable is more important progress
And I think it will take another 200 hundred years for you to learn the language of english so that you can shape your sentence/ sentences properly. I wouldn't have commented on your ill english sense but as you turned out to be another complaint box rather than understanding the whole scenario so I had to. Work on your pea nut size brain and understand the supply side related limitations.
@@dk-ln6om it's doesn't matter. We r in a hypothetical world . We think that we will achieve everything from anatam nirbhar Bharat but how can u believe in the country where the 70% engineers r unskilled
Sir trade war between China and USA is going on and here China has the upper hand on the supply of rare earth metal which are widely used in Jet engine manufacturing.So the delay would be there even in near future.
2 corrections needed in video- 1. Jf17 use rd93 which is chinese modified variant which gives only 2200 hours of life as compared to original 4000 hours of rd33 because china asked for gearbox and 4 modifications which ruined the core engineering 2. The new rd33-mk(indian navy) engine availability issue was identified it was a plate issue which was rectified and availability rate rose to 70% in 2017 as told by then Navy chief Mr. Sunil lanba. Is there any chance that we can buy core technology of m53 engine used in mirage jets that france has retired now? The engine thrust is impressive 95kn. Kindly do research on it
Correction: If there had been any issues with the JF-17's engine, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) would have replaced it with the original RD-93 engine years ago. The RD-93 engine has a proven track record and reliability, ensuring the aircraft's operational readiness. Furthermore, if the JF-17 had poor engine performance, it would not have been selected by countries like Nigeria, Myanmar, and Azerbaijan.
@@muhammadsubhan381, let's face it JF-17 is a bullcrap Chinese copy. If Pakistan had done some actual R &D and work it would be visible and be way better. The jet Pakistan would come up with would have a lot of issues but it would be a worth jet but we know RD engines and Russian engines got problems which IAF and Indian Navy is also facing but AL-31 and other Saturn engines are better.
😢Mark my words Original timeline 1 tejas mk1a 2024 to 2032 2 tejas mk 2 2032 to 2045 3 Amca mk1 2050 to 2060 4 Amca mk2 By 2070 In better case scenario✔️
@@Aspirant_Railway There will be no Tejas mk2 or AMCA. In 2030s China would do something and MOD after learning it's lesson would shift on American defense bloc completely. Btw there is a possibility Mod will not learn any lesson as usual.
Sorry for the language but Ghanta "supply chain issues". GE is going to ensure Tejas program and future stealth program are delayed. Until Indian govt treats fighter jet program as a "Strategic program" like India's nuclear program is under PM, India will not develop its own jet engine.
There can be no quick fix because going with a new engine will mean changes in structure and testing and recertification. This itself will take years. The best option is to try to expedite F404 deliveries and indegenus kaveri program.
Sir...nice video, you lead the way in providing the right direction & context to all our thinking process or the way we think...instead of beating the bush around what went wrong & who did it, we MUST concentrate on defining the problems & more importantly, finding the solutions so that we do not face similar situation in future....i am no expert but the key take-away should be to strive for self-reliance in critical technologies....in long term only Kaveri & its variants can serve all our needs...we must try to realize the development & production of the 88-90kn variant in next 2-3 years which should be used in Tejas & TEDBF Tranche-1...simultaneoysly we must start development work on a 110-120kn variant of Kaveri in next 4-6 years, for AMCA Mk1 & TEDBF Tranche-2...our goal must be to have 3 variants of Kaveri ie 90kn, 120kn & 145kn....till the time we actually develop kaveri we must take forward the joint development with Snecma / R&R / GE....we already have the license for RD-33 & must try to get license for IZ-30 or AL-41s, then involve our private sector to improve the reliability of those engines because i think our private sector just might have access & capability to better manufacturing processes / technologies....these RD-33s & Iz-30/AL-41s can serve as initial engines for LCA Mk2 / AMCA Mk1 & Mk2 / TEDBFs till we have kaveri variants or some western JV engines....fortunately or unfortunately some of these solutions might or might not be more doable than others due to external geo-political imperatives, but as a middle power we will have to live with those constraints & do as best as we can PS - Sir if i recall correctly, snecma also had plans for an M-88 variant with 105-110kn thrust...i am not sure it was just a proposal or if they actally had some research on it...kindly see if you could find some reliable info on that...as such variants could solve quite a few of our problems...wikipedia too mentions this, but it is not my source of information as i am very sure i read about this snecma engine in armada magzine to which i had access back in 2004-2006
Why can't we use the AL-31F engine, the same engine we use for SU-30MKI as we even license manufacture these engines. China has modified AL-31 engines, and now they power J-10 and even J-20 fighter jets. Can you make a video explaining this ?
You could argue that ADA could design a Tejas MK2B with ALF31 engine. This would be equal to J10's capabilities and could form a backbone for IAF...alas HAL and ADA top brass and MoD is just hopeless when it comes to contigency planning
it is very unfortunate that GTRE is not able to come up with a productionable version of Kaveri even after 40 years. the general public is not aware of what is occurring in the Kaveri program .... it is true that mastering high temp metallurgy and materials is difficult, but it should not take 40-odd years. what do you expect Govt to do ? USA is taking us for a ride and is sabotaging the LCA program. The best thing we can do is take French help and complete KAVERI engine as it is made for LCA, though it takes back LCA program by couple of years.
The composite materials usage in Mark1A was increased that reduced the weight by one ton which compensated the thrust to weight ratio. That's y orders for Mark 1A were placed.
Another problem is that even if latest M-88 core on Kaveri produces say 95kN of thrust it still needs to be tested and a lot of checks will be required and I don't think that is a feasible option if we want Tejas delivered this year itself.
What do u think a National Security or Technology development or paisa bacho abhiyan Kaweri can generate 70-72 KNT thrust correct ...lets put 2 engine in one plane ..means twin engine jet like MIG or Sukhoi ... advantage : No dependency and fast development based on indigenous technology ... issue : high cost of maintance and high operational cost also such as fuel... correct okay then don't make 200+ units ...at least u can make 4 squadron only (2 each for both front) and then play R&D R&D
We always get active at the last moment. I mean why did we not run the Kaveri program parallel to the MK1 lA program? I mean what's the use of AMCA, Mark2 and AMCA2 when we don't have any fixed engine?
Fitting a new engine requires the housing to be redesigned. Plus with different thrust the in high g maneuvers results in variation in stress so some parts of the aircraft will need to be redesigned.
Also with an engine with a different weight, the centre of mass changes, which will either need to be accounted for in the design or corrected in the fly by wire system.
suggest you do a video on the viability of a proper CATOBAR aircraft carrier over STOBAR & STOVL types of aircraft carrier . . . nobody talks about this crucial aspect, what type of a carrier should a navy operate . . . it characterizes the very capabilities of a carrier & it's escorting naval task force . . . our navy needs a proper 56,820 ton CATOBAR aircraft carrier without a shred of doubt & our navy knows this fact better than anyone . . . yet they opted for a STOBAR carrier that lacks much needed capabilities . . . India's very first carrier, the original INS Vikrant (R11) was a CATOBAR aircraft carrier . . . acquired by the navy sometime between 1969 - 1974 . . . it's air arm was made up of the naval carrier borne Hawker Sea Hawk FGA.6 multi role strike fighter . . . it is said that the navy operated very limited number of carrier borne Blackburn Buccaneer S2 multi role all weather interceptor . . . as per an understanding between the Royal Navy & IN the carrier borne Blackburn Buccaneer S2 multi role all weather interceptor cannot be operated during war time for air-to-ground strike missions . . .
@@parthsna converting the current INS Vikrant (R11) from STOBAR to CATOBAR will be very expensive, nearly as much as the entire cost of the building the carrier . . . to make such a conversion from STOBAR to CATOBAR nearly 90% of the carrier will have to be replaced . . . that's why it's just not viable . . . better to buy a 56,823 ton multi mission (CATOBAR) aircraft carrier instead . . . not to mention the unreliable carrier borne MIG-29KU multi role all weather interceptor operated by the navy . . .
Once i said that relying on american engine for fighter aircraft is like apne pair pe hi kulhadi marna , American can make your jets obsolete by anytime anyhow, 😂😂 that became true today,
It is the mistake of HAL completely. US is not responsible for this at all because GE had warned about delays during signing of the contract in 2021 itself. Stop spreading fake news against US. See my other comment for more details.
Why not slightly increase the size of the Tejas fighter and integrate two 75KN engines, which are already available? Many other fighter aircraft use two engines. Do we need to stick to a single engine with 84KN thrust?
Bahi ye HAL ki galti hai jab Tejas ka prototype banya ja raha tha tab uske 8 alag2 varient banye gaye the agar usi time agar Tejas ke varient ko agar 2 ya usese bhi jayada alag2 engin ke sath banaya jata to USA ko bhi pata hota ki hamare pass bhi koi aur option bhi hai aur wo time par delivery dene ki koshish karta
Will not meet timelines. Recertification process will take a lot of time. We can use it as an alternative in the future. As of now we are stuck with GE F 404. Jai Hind
Mrfa is it happens and we select rafale we should make sure the engine rafale comes is with m88-3 engine . That engine is under development and we can participate in the program if they offer ip rights and tot which if happens then can power rafale and mk1A. If typhoon is selected make sure the engine tot and ip is provided in a separate deal and we can use it for mk1A and if both is doesn't happen then use the kaveri experience in modifying rd33 mk engine like what china has done with ws engine(something is better than nothing) along with kaveri program which is still under power even if they manage it to reach 52/80kn.
Couldn't these steps been explored the moment the Kaveri project was delinked from the Tejas programme? Why stopped the Kaveri project completely when it could have given us multiple backup options and might have also warned GE of timely executing their deal with better negotiating terms? Why no backups in such critical projects? Isn't there a chance of such mismanagement in Mark 2, TEDBF and AMCA projects also?
Folks, Tejas is already late by 20 years. should have been operating at MK2 levels in 2003-2004. Finding a new engine will take 10 more years and at that point, its best to shelve the Tejas project and focus entirely on AMCA.
Be realistic by the time any such measure comes fruition the supply chain issues of GE-404 engines would have been resolved. Though ADA and HAL must look for an alternate engine for exports variants and as mid-life upgrade. The airforce should not have shot down the French offer of engine with SNECMA core. The ALH Dhruv is a success story built on the French engine and Tejas could have followed. It still can we just need to be serious about it.
No, EJ200 has around 60-70 kN dry thrust not taking thrust to weight ratio or other factors like afterburner that it underpowered Engine for Tejas but reliable than RD-33 or its is WS copy. Also no time to change and test a new engine. So it is what GE has to offer or Kaveri with M-88 core or some other jugad which will still require additional testing and certification.
We can't change engine at this stage !we can think about 2 prototypes of MK2 with different engines but MK1a should be completed with same engine other wise there will be more delays !
Bhai hum ko vidheshi nirbharta chorni paregi ek se kaam nhi chalta to 2laga do or 2se nahi chalta to 3 kaveri engine laga do light nehi rehta to medium bnado or medium nehi rehta to heavy bnado prantu kuch to karo Ek dusre ko dosh dene se kya haasil hoga? 1:25
Rd33 is not certified for single engine aircraft use . Kaveri ka afterburner banne mein time lagega uske baad certification aur integration mein time aur fir certification kum se kum 4 saal .
Kaveri is the only option, all these Jugaad ideas are not good in the long term. India does well when it is under sanctions for example: Cryogenic Engine for GSLV, Supercomputers, Missiles developed under IGMP. The problem here is we are being enticed by options available as we are not under sanctions for jet engines. DRDO should be put under tremendous pressure to deliver Kaveri Engine with 85 KN and keep working on improving it with upgrades to bring it to 90 KN. This is the development cycle for almost all of the engines produced around the world.
Why don't we mass produce an existing kavari engine (75 KN) for LCA MK-1A and then replace with 90 KN kavari mk-2 engine??. because tejas mk1a is said to be multi roal aircraft but primary task is an interseptor.
I'd be happy if we cancel MMRCA and addtional 97 tejas mk1A and replace both these jets by Tejas mk2 which will have a newer modern/improved design with made in India engines. 5th generation jets must be bought in limited numbers.
The IAF is clearly on drugs with the 90kn target performance figure. Whatever performance Kaveri can actually achieve is fine. Even if it's 80kn over time it will hit 85 which is on par with GE404. The Ge404 engine performs better on the Gripen because of changes and modifications made. Similar stuff can be done for Tejas.
Yaar aap America ke liye excuse kyo dete ho agar har company main delay hota hai toh apne rishtedaar south korea ko kaise poorae engine within time limit with spares deliver kar diye hai aur HAL ki kya galti hai agar America engine hi nahi dega toh haal Wale kya karaengae
Bhai 73KN wale Kaveri enginr ko hi ek Tejas me laga ke test karte raho. Taaki uski reliability ka pata chale. Engine power to kucch saalo me badh jayega R&D ke saath. Abhi se 73 KN engine ko test karoge to kam se kam uske metallurgy, heat tolerance, engine soundness etc ka to pata to lagega. . Wait thori karenge ki pehle 90KN Kaveri engine bane tabhi Tejas testbed me laga ke aur 5 saal test karen. Time hi waste hona hai aise me.
Dada aap kuch bhi bolo par baat ye hi hai ki kaveri abhi fully ready nahi hai....jab hoga tab uske tests honge...tejas k prototype ke sath tests honge....aur test 1 ya 2 nahi bohot saare honge....lekin ye sab baate tab hongi jab govt aur IAF decision le ki kaveri engine pe aur paisa lagaye ya nahi....
High time India should start the development of its indigenous jet engine....otherwise suppliers will keep arm twisting If US,UK,France,Germany,China,Korea, Brazil,Turkey and Russia can then, so can Bharat. We should go the Mahindra way and develop it. Mahindra is a better manufacturer than Jeep as on today and they offer better products than their mentor!
How does the govt expect 90KN with >300 million usd funding? Damn. Its a miracle we got 73kn with such funding
Wish if i could agree more
yahi to hamare yaha problem hai
pahle requirement rakho 100 rupya wala aur paisa do 10 rupya uske baad bhi agar DRDO/ADA 90 rupya wala kaam 10 rupya me kar de to ulta usse gali do
ye log galat hi nasha karte hai.
Enefficient twin engine is a nightmare to maintain those who are crying over it should maintain a fighter aircraft and talk.
No proper funding, no test bed. Hazar files aur application ke baad fund release. Aur koi breakthrough Mila to check karne ke liye Baar baar Russia bhejo. Ye hamare desh me make in India naam ki jo Topi pehnayi gyi hai, sab bakwas
0 experience india has made a huge achievement in terms of engine may be in future kaveri will be best
भारत का अमेरिकी इंजनों पर निर्भर रहना प्रारंभ से ही मुर्खतापूर्ण निर्णय था 😮
The new Kaveri will be ready only after 2027 which produces 82KN and the after burner part is being made by Brahmos Aerospace. 2027 is the best case timeline
New kaveri will take decades to come
Now HAl can't rely on DRDO's promised date of 2027 . ...That could take 2027+ . That will then help HAL to play the blame game between them (DRDO & HAL).It will be an endless wait and IAF will be likely to get fucked from PAF
Nah 2035 would be a great estimate
In best case scenario
छेल पाला है तो इतना तो कलना पलेगा😂😂
93 KN
Next big breakthrough for us will be when we crack the Kaveri engine and get the desired high thrust according to required specifications. The engine program had remained underfunded for so long, and only recently it has started being taken seriously, i hope we can pull it off asap
बिल्कुल सही सलाह दी है आपने अपने वीडियो के माध्यम से ऐसा ही करना चाहिए भारत सरकार, वायुसेना और डीआरडीओ को ताकि अमेरिकी निर्भरता जल्द से जल्द खत्म हो सके।
It seems that there is a deep lobby in drdo and hal , which does not want kaveri engine to be made soon, which is responsible for delay in tejas and amca fighter aircraft rollout delay, even in some member of air force also not interested in tejas and amca and both lobby are funded by foreign equipment manufacturer.
CIA also.there might be a team based in bangalore monitoring ISRO,HAL and drdo
If it is true then what our intelligence agencies are doing bhai?
Stupid the problem is not the thrust but longevity of the engine to perform effectively. Indian army doesn't wants to take risk with these engine that's it nothing like whatever u said.
This kaveri engine with snecma core would take time to develop which would also include lot of testing, again would involve lot of delay instead of solving the problem of delays it would add to the problem.
Exactly testing the new engine and everything will be a headache and time consuming but Americans and GE can't arm twists India if we switch to M88 core easily. France is more reliable and if given more funding we sure can come up with a Kaveri that is as good or even better than current M88 considering the fact that we developed all this with no proper test facility and through a lot of red tapes with 300 million dollars. Imagine what proper test bed and test facility and some 5 billion or even more dollars would open up 😅
A better idea is to scrap the MK2 and quickly create a design for ORCA.
Use the 2 x Kaveri engines (of whatever thrust) for those planes.
Just keep the overall weight of the aircraft down and slightly reduce the maximum weapons payload carrying capacity.
That is by far the best solution.
The IAF needs to hurry and make this decision NOW and not drag its feet.
The program is already underway as the TEDBF (although with the F414 in mind).
The plus side is that if F414 is also delayed and delayed, the ORCA (with Kaveri) could serve as a backup option for (a reduced performance) TEDBF.
Try to design the engine bays to be modular and replaceable with (future) higher thrust Kaveris -- although that will be difficult no doubt.
The above ORCA solution is the best solution from timeline, cost and strategic independence perspective.
It will also add much needed funds for development of TEDBF.
😂. MK2 is based on MK1 , lengthened fuselage, canards . Minimum redesign and certification. DRDO took more than 45 years to bring LCA program to this state . ORCA even if the airforce accepts the proposal will be available 35 years from now with significant foreign help. Reality is a bit harsh , India doesn’t have industrial base to develop aerospace alloys and electronics needed in aviation industry . You have to crawl, walk and run before you fly , there is no shortcut to this . Aircraft engines evolve overtime, so do designs . You can’t expect miracles from Tejas and Kaveri program . If you need cutting edge planes , you have to import , there are no substitutes .
Scarp Amca Not Mk2 Focus On Tedbf Use Amca gain to Make 6gen plane!
@@Kalkiawatar
TEDBF is already underway and its not 35 years to its introduction but a few more years.
So don't make up bogus numbers.
Secondly, most of the aircraft is not made of alloys but composites as all modern aircraft are. Tejas MK1 alone has far higher composite material composition than other fighters of its generation. The engine alloy for the Kaveri dry and wet section in its current thrust configuration have already been developed and the engine is being prepared for certification. So there's isn't anything to create on that end.
ORCA is a proposed variant of the TEDBF without the need for oceanic surface search radar, strong undercarriage, complex flight controls for STOL and other naval based systems. If anything, it is easier not harder than the TEDBF to develop.
ORCA is the best option because it does nto require overly powerful Kaveri engines. The current batch of Kaveri 1, if they can be certified, would be sufficient for ORCA.
Bhi yah nahi ho sakta hai tedbf pahlya ayyga
Well said. Best thing to do under the current circumstances.
More required than atleast 7 year although, we come to close at 75 kilo nutan thrust this is Good progress and stable progress infact 75 kilo neuton thrust with stable is more important progress
I mean with stability
Thank you USA for supporting the Kaveri engine programme
It seems it will take at least 100 years for everything to be short. And then we got our first Tejas mk1a
And I think it will take another 200 hundred years for you to learn the language of english so that you can shape your sentence/ sentences properly. I wouldn't have commented on your ill english sense but as you turned out to be another complaint box rather than understanding the whole scenario so I had to. Work on your pea nut size brain and understand the supply side related limitations.
airforce hone hi nhi degi
We're still a third world country, be patient bro
@@dk-ln6om it's doesn't matter. We r in a hypothetical world . We think that we will achieve everything from anatam nirbhar Bharat but how can u believe in the country where the 70% engineers r unskilled
Solution bus yhi hai ki funding di jaye test bed provide kiye jaye kaveri ke liye
All alternative of F404 are only hypothetical . The only alternative is to wait
It was a great decision by ur side to scrap the idea of making most of the videos as 4-5 minutes long 👍👍
Sir trade war between China and USA is going on and here China has the upper hand on the supply of rare earth metal which are widely used in Jet engine manufacturing.So the delay would be there even in near future.
2 corrections needed in video-
1. Jf17 use rd93 which is chinese modified variant which gives only 2200 hours of life as compared to original 4000 hours of rd33 because china asked for gearbox and 4 modifications which ruined the core engineering
2. The new rd33-mk(indian navy) engine availability issue was identified it was a plate issue which was rectified and availability rate rose to 70% in 2017 as told by then Navy chief Mr. Sunil lanba.
Is there any chance that we can buy core technology of m53 engine used in mirage jets that france has retired now? The engine thrust is impressive 95kn. Kindly do research on it
Correction: If there had been any issues with the JF-17's engine, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) would have replaced it with the original RD-93 engine years ago. The RD-93 engine has a proven track record and reliability, ensuring the aircraft's operational readiness. Furthermore, if the JF-17 had poor engine performance, it would not have been selected by countries like Nigeria, Myanmar, and Azerbaijan.
@@muhammadishaq561jf17 don't need a poor engine because jf17 itself is a poor jet which is always grounded
@@Vartik-jr4qrhmm as your tejas is flying and have 100+variants?
😂
Admiral not Mr.
@@muhammadsubhan381, let's face it JF-17 is a bullcrap Chinese copy. If Pakistan had done some actual R &D and work it would be visible and be way better. The jet Pakistan would come up with would have a lot of issues but it would be a worth jet but we know RD engines and Russian engines got problems which IAF and Indian Navy is also facing but AL-31 and other Saturn engines are better.
The info seems credible and sensible.
😢Mark my words
Original timeline
1 tejas mk1a 2024 to 2032
2 tejas mk 2 2032 to 2045
3 Amca mk1 2050 to 2060
4 Amca mk2 By 2070
In better case scenario✔️
MRFA?😂
@@georgezwills doubtful🤔
@@Aspirant_Railway There will be no Tejas mk2 or AMCA.
In 2030s China would do something and MOD after learning it's lesson would shift on American defense bloc completely.
Btw there is a possibility Mod will not learn any lesson as usual.
@@georgezwills, what MRFA 😢 they will cancel that for sure
@@nishantshrivastava9674, Let's hope otherwise
8:30 maybe the 100 new order of TEJAS MK1AS can be equipped with M-88 Core
Sorry for the language but Ghanta "supply chain issues". GE is going to ensure Tejas program and future stealth program are delayed. Until Indian govt treats fighter jet program as a "Strategic program" like India's nuclear program is under PM, India will not develop its own jet engine.
There can be no quick fix because going with a new engine will mean changes in structure and testing and recertification. This itself will take years. The best option is to try to expedite F404 deliveries and indegenus kaveri program.
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Interesting views, thanks. We should have gone for ORCA and TEDBF with snecma M88-2 engine Under licenced productions from France
Veri good video thank u Jay Hind
What's your information about the news that GE informed HAL about supply chain problem in 2021 at the deal time itself. If no, ok.. if yes, then ?
Sir...nice video, you lead the way in providing the right direction & context to all our thinking process or the way we think...instead of beating the bush around what went wrong & who did it, we MUST concentrate on defining the problems & more importantly, finding the solutions so that we do not face similar situation in future....i am no expert but the key take-away should be to strive for self-reliance in critical technologies....in long term only Kaveri & its variants can serve all our needs...we must try to realize the development & production of the 88-90kn variant in next 2-3 years which should be used in Tejas & TEDBF Tranche-1...simultaneoysly we must start development work on a 110-120kn variant of Kaveri in next 4-6 years, for AMCA Mk1 & TEDBF Tranche-2...our goal must be to have 3 variants of Kaveri ie 90kn, 120kn & 145kn....till the time we actually develop kaveri we must take forward the joint development with Snecma / R&R / GE....we already have the license for RD-33 & must try to get license for IZ-30 or AL-41s, then involve our private sector to improve the reliability of those engines because i think our private sector just might have access & capability to better manufacturing processes / technologies....these RD-33s & Iz-30/AL-41s can serve as initial engines for LCA Mk2 / AMCA Mk1 & Mk2 / TEDBFs till we have kaveri variants or some western JV engines....fortunately or unfortunately some of these solutions might or might not be more doable than others due to external geo-political imperatives, but as a middle power we will have to live with those constraints & do as best as we can
PS - Sir if i recall correctly, snecma also had plans for an M-88 variant with 105-110kn thrust...i am not sure it was just a proposal or if they actally had some research on it...kindly see if you could find some reliable info on that...as such variants could solve quite a few of our problems...wikipedia too mentions this, but it is not my source of information as i am very sure i read about this snecma engine in armada magzine to which i had access back in 2004-2006
Why can't we use the AL-31F engine, the same engine we use for SU-30MKI as we even license manufacture these engines. China has modified AL-31 engines, and now they power J-10 and even J-20 fighter jets. Can you make a video explaining this ?
Life time Kam hai
Chinese engines are reverse engineered cores of CFM56 and not AL-31, which kind of makes its predecessor the GE F101
Its way more powerful 130kn is no joke gas guzzler and more diameter not good for tejas structure
Too big
You could argue that ADA could design a Tejas MK2B with ALF31 engine. This would be equal to J10's capabilities and could form a backbone for IAF...alas HAL and ADA top brass and MoD is just hopeless when it comes to contigency planning
Got the right lesson for trusting USA
5:12 another reason could be the removal of ballast weight in the mk1a version, right?
If you reduce the weight, the t/w ratio automatically goes up
it is very unfortunate that GTRE is not able to come up with a productionable version of Kaveri even after 40 years. the general public is not aware of what is occurring in the Kaveri program .... it is true that mastering high temp metallurgy and materials is difficult, but it should not take 40-odd years. what do you expect Govt to do ? USA is taking us for a ride and is sabotaging the LCA program. The best thing we can do is take French help and complete KAVERI engine as it is made for LCA, though it takes back LCA program by couple of years.
Best video recently
The composite materials usage in Mark1A was increased that reduced the weight by one ton which compensated the thrust to weight ratio. That's y orders for Mark 1A were placed.
Bilkul sahi kha sir apna hma esa hi krna chiye kal ko amarica phir sa koi problem khadi kar da tab kya kroge
GE ka issue aaj ka ka hain, main reason is Chandigarh lobby who works for high commissions
Please make a detailed video on all indian missiles
Another problem is that even if latest M-88 core on Kaveri produces say 95kN of thrust it still needs to be tested and a lot of checks will be required and I don't think that is a feasible option if we want Tejas delivered this year itself.
It will take 2-3 years but there should be options available for future
What do u think a National Security or Technology development or paisa bacho abhiyan
Kaweri can generate 70-72 KNT thrust correct ...lets put 2 engine in one plane ..means twin engine jet like MIG or Sukhoi ...
advantage : No dependency and fast development based on indigenous technology ...
issue : high cost of maintance and high operational cost also such as fuel... correct
okay then don't make 200+ units ...at least u can make 4 squadron only (2 each for both front) and then play R&D R&D
Bro 1 question: F404 ka max thrust 85 hai aur jo Wo I krke kuch variant hai uska 95, but hm Tejas mein former waala use krenge right?
A L 41 FP newest version or su 57 fighting falcon ka engine use kar sakte hai agar thrust reduced😮
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Corruption and non eligible management ( ias ) are the reason ..💥📚💥 4:37
How long is India developing this engine? How much money is spent on it so far?
I like the fantasy.
Bro agar esi chalta rha toh kya 2030 tak airforce ki 25 28 squadrons v maintain ho paayi ya nhi what you think bro
....तेरी कहानी लौट-फिर कर HAL पर ही आकर खत्म होती है।🤦♂️
4:54 is it able to upgrade existing Tejas mk 1 to mk 1A?
We always get active at the last moment. I mean why did we not run the Kaveri program parallel to the MK1 lA program? I mean what's the use of AMCA, Mark2 and AMCA2 when we don't have any fixed engine?
Fitting a new engine requires the housing to be redesigned. Plus with different thrust the in high g maneuvers results in variation in stress so some parts of the aircraft will need to be redesigned.
Also with an engine with a different weight, the centre of mass changes, which will either need to be accounted for in the design or corrected in the fly by wire system.
suggest you do a video on the viability of a proper CATOBAR aircraft carrier over STOBAR & STOVL types of aircraft carrier . . . nobody talks about this crucial aspect, what type of a carrier should a navy operate . . . it characterizes the very capabilities of a carrier & it's escorting naval task force . . . our navy needs a proper 56,820 ton CATOBAR aircraft carrier without a shred of doubt & our navy knows this fact better than anyone . . . yet they opted for a STOBAR carrier that lacks much needed capabilities . . . India's very first carrier, the original INS Vikrant (R11) was a CATOBAR aircraft carrier . . . acquired by the navy sometime between 1969 - 1974 . . . it's air arm was made up of the naval carrier borne Hawker Sea Hawk FGA.6 multi role strike fighter . . . it is said that the navy operated very limited number of carrier borne Blackburn Buccaneer S2 multi role all weather interceptor . . . as per an understanding between the Royal Navy & IN the carrier borne Blackburn Buccaneer S2 multi role all weather interceptor cannot be operated during war time for air-to-ground strike missions . . .
+1 to this. Especially upgrade options for the new Vikrant class to convert them to CATOBAR
@@parthsna converting the current INS Vikrant (R11) from STOBAR to CATOBAR will be very expensive, nearly as much as the entire cost of the building the carrier . . . to make such a conversion from STOBAR to CATOBAR nearly 90% of the carrier will have to be replaced . . . that's why it's just not viable . . . better to buy a 56,823 ton multi mission (CATOBAR) aircraft carrier instead . . . not to mention the unreliable carrier borne MIG-29KU multi role all weather interceptor operated by the navy . . .
Once i said that relying on american engine for fighter aircraft is like apne pair pe hi kulhadi marna , American can make your jets obsolete by anytime anyhow, 😂😂 that became true today,
It is the mistake of HAL completely. US is not responsible for this at all because GE had warned about delays during signing of the contract in 2021 itself. Stop spreading fake news against US. See my other comment for more details.
And so can French and Russian engines.
@jonswap9097 Still France and Russia are more reliable than bully US lol
@@jonswap9097 never, we are using french jaguar mirages and now rafal russian migs sukhois etc , never that happened
France is reliable partner, they actually hate US dominance and, they are more autonomous than another Nato countries
Why not slightly increase the size of the Tejas fighter and integrate two 75KN engines, which are already available? Many other fighter aircraft use two engines. Do we need to stick to a single engine with 84KN thrust?
I think problems created are better motivation to push hard and get the kaveri engine done , as soon as possible..
Bahi ye HAL ki galti hai jab Tejas ka prototype banya ja raha tha tab uske 8 alag2 varient banye gaye the agar usi time agar Tejas ke varient ko agar 2 ya usese bhi jayada alag2 engin ke sath banaya jata to USA ko bhi pata hota ki hamare pass bhi koi aur option bhi hai aur wo time par delivery dene ki koshish karta
what is indigenous content of current kaveri engine prototype??
But rd 33 me supply chain ka issue nai hoga kya
Will not meet timelines. Recertification process will take a lot of time. We can use it as an alternative in the future. As of now we are stuck with GE F 404. Jai Hind
Mrfa is it happens and we select rafale we should make sure the engine rafale comes is with m88-3 engine . That engine is under development and we can participate in the program if they offer ip rights and tot which if happens then can power rafale and mk1A. If typhoon is selected make sure the engine tot and ip is provided in a separate deal and we can use it for mk1A and if both is doesn't happen then use the kaveri experience in modifying rd33 mk engine like what china has done with ws engine(something is better than nothing) along with kaveri program which is still under power even if they manage it to reach 52/80kn.
I wonder where are those people who few months back were making videos on HF 24, Marut
Couldn't these steps been explored the moment the Kaveri project was delinked from the Tejas programme? Why stopped the Kaveri project completely when it could have given us multiple backup options and might have also warned GE of timely executing their deal with better negotiating terms? Why no backups in such critical projects? Isn't there a chance of such mismanagement in Mark 2, TEDBF and AMCA projects also?
Why didn't used F414 in Tejas MK1 ?
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Snecma ka semi knocked down kits use karein toh behtar hoga full tot and ipr😮
Dual kaveri engine for future light plane?
No but ORCA was best option to be Tejas mk2 which would have 2 kaveri engine of 82 kn .
Folks, Tejas is already late by 20 years. should have been operating at MK2 levels in 2003-2004. Finding a new engine will take 10 more years and at that point, its best to shelve the Tejas project and focus entirely on AMCA.
Be realistic by the time any such measure comes fruition the supply chain issues of GE-404 engines would have been resolved. Though ADA and HAL must look for an alternate engine for exports variants and as mid-life upgrade. The airforce should not have shot down the French offer of engine with SNECMA core. The ALH Dhruv is a success story built on the French engine and Tejas could have followed. It still can we just need to be serious about it.
Let's use snecma M88-3 engine in Tejas mk1A
And 2 snecma M88-3 engine in Tedbf and ORCA
And wait for F414 for Tejas MK-2
So what is size difference between kaveri & 404 ????
Well not an aviation expert..but enthusiast...we have to break thru..with kaveri..del 90+ kN at least
Best Engine to replace GE404 is EJ200
No, EJ200 has around 60-70 kN dry thrust not taking thrust to weight ratio or other factors like afterburner that it underpowered Engine for Tejas but reliable than RD-33 or its is WS copy. Also no time to change and test a new engine. So it is what GE has to offer or Kaveri with M-88 core or some other jugad which will still require additional testing and certification.
Bhai CAG report CAG report again and Again repeating same from 2016, don't you think uske baad kuch bhi upgrade nahi kiya kay?
Hay Ram !! JF ka engine Tej mai. Paap lagay ga bhaiya paap
We can't change engine at this stage !we can think about 2 prototypes of MK2 with different engines but MK1a should be completed with same engine other wise there will be more delays !
Hold on Other General Electric activities in 🇮🇳India.
Why rule out the EJ200?
Rafael Fighters (india assembly line ) + Engine for Both Rafael & Tejas + Engine partner R&D for future ,
It could be win win for both countries.
Bhai hum ko vidheshi nirbharta chorni paregi ek se kaam nhi chalta to 2laga do or 2se nahi chalta to 3 kaveri engine laga do light nehi rehta to medium bnado or medium nehi rehta to heavy bnado prantu kuch to karo Ek dusre ko dosh dene se kya haasil hoga? 1:25
Its long nation is eagerly waiting for ßuitable engine..by all means..
Rd33 is not certified for single engine aircraft use . Kaveri ka afterburner banne mein time lagega uske baad certification aur integration mein time aur fir certification kum se kum 4 saal .
Use Kaveri 75KN for now and when we develop at least 90KN then upgrade the engine.
Bro, is it possible before than 20 years more
Agnikul cosmos ki 3D printing technology se cauvery engine banaya Jana chahiye.
We must develop our own engines with required KN
Kaveri is the only option, all these Jugaad ideas are not good in the long term. India does well when it is under sanctions for example: Cryogenic Engine for GSLV, Supercomputers, Missiles developed under IGMP. The problem here is we are being enticed by options available as we are not under sanctions for jet engines. DRDO should be put under tremendous pressure to deliver Kaveri Engine with 85 KN and keep working on improving it with upgrades to bring it to 90 KN. This is the development cycle for almost all of the engines produced around the world.
Can't F414 IN6 engine used in tejas mk1a instead of GE F404 IN20???
Once again like Indian super computer (PARAM), India will successful create history by creating Cauvery Engine...🇮🇳 Jai Hind,
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Why don't we mass produce an existing kavari engine (75 KN) for LCA MK-1A and then replace with 90 KN kavari mk-2 engine??. because tejas mk1a is said to be multi roal aircraft but primary task is an interseptor.
Modi hai to mumkin hai
should use engines by prat and Witney
I'd be happy if we cancel MMRCA and addtional 97 tejas mk1A and replace both these jets by Tejas mk2 which will have a newer modern/improved design with made in India engines. 5th generation jets must be bought in limited numbers.
The IAF is clearly on drugs with the 90kn target performance figure. Whatever performance Kaveri can actually achieve is fine. Even if it's 80kn over time it will hit 85 which is on par with GE404.
The Ge404 engine performs better on the Gripen because of changes and modifications made. Similar stuff can be done for Tejas.
We have to concentrate on the kaveri engine , even though it doesn't matter how much it will take time
Yaar aap America ke liye excuse kyo dete ho agar har company main delay hota hai toh apne rishtedaar south korea ko kaise poorae engine within time limit with spares deliver kar diye hai aur HAL ki kya galti hai agar America engine hi nahi dega toh haal Wale kya karaengae
GE ne gripen ko bhi diye h apart from South Korea, USA government jaan bhuj kr delay kr rhi h
Bhai 73KN wale Kaveri enginr ko hi ek Tejas me laga ke test karte raho. Taaki uski reliability ka pata chale. Engine power to kucch saalo me badh jayega R&D ke saath. Abhi se 73 KN engine ko test karoge to kam se kam uske metallurgy, heat tolerance, engine soundness etc ka to pata to lagega.
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Wait thori karenge ki pehle 90KN Kaveri engine bane tabhi Tejas testbed me laga ke aur 5 saal test karen. Time hi waste hona hai aise me.
Dada aap kuch bhi bolo par baat ye hi hai ki kaveri abhi fully ready nahi hai....jab hoga tab uske tests honge...tejas k prototype ke sath tests honge....aur test 1 ya 2 nahi bohot saare honge....lekin ye sab baate tab hongi jab govt aur IAF decision le ki kaveri engine pe aur paisa lagaye ya nahi....
High time India should start the development of its indigenous jet engine....otherwise suppliers will keep arm twisting
If US,UK,France,Germany,China,Korea,
Brazil,Turkey and Russia can then, so can Bharat.
We should go the Mahindra way and develop it.
Mahindra is a better manufacturer than Jeep as on today and they offer better products than their mentor!
Any update on nuclear submarine?
Great News agar Kaberi Engine intergate Tejas may karaga
110 kn Engine is the best Option for LCA MARK 1A
SNECMA AND HAL OR DRDO CAN EASILY SOLVE PROBLEMS OF KAVERI ENGINE
Why we can't use 2kaveri
If there is a two engine design of tejas, it will be great with kaveri engine. With two engine design, tejas may beat rafale.