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Cool Watches That SUCK To Own
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- We love all sorts of watches! It's what makes the world go round and why there are so many watches to choose from! But there are some watches we love and own, that also suck for various reasons! This is why there are Cool watches that suck to own
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I enjoy your content. I think as an owner of multiple watches high and low end. One thing no one talks about is the cost of maintenance of high end. I've spent over 2500 pounds this month on servicing 2 Rolexes, a Breitling and an Oris, granted a significant time before intervention. My advice unless your seriously wealthy or just don't care buy cheap. If you buy a premium watch it comes with premium responsibility, if you want to pass it on?
Great point my friend!
Absolutely, I found that out when I got my Bentley and Lambo. serviced, so now my Fiat 500 gets me from AtoB just the same.
I used to own a Rolex when I was poor
I love Grand Seiko and actually enjoy the fact that they fly under the radar or are misunderstood. I’m a contrarian at heart, so anything as beautiful as a GS that goes against the group or majority think, actually makes me happy. Keep up the great work on the channel and have a fab 2024!
Love this my friend!!
1000%
I think the ultimate watch is covert god tier material. The muggles look at it and don't realise what it is - but a watch geek looks at it and they get it immediately. Unpretentious, not necessarily expensive, not flashy or showing off, but you just know that watch is the absolute dogs danglies. Some watches just say "Watch guy".
@@OrdinaryWatchGuyyep, nailed it!
In Las Vegas, Rolexes are so petit bourgeois. Grand Seiko is unique.
Powermatic 80 plastic parts will outlive the rest of the watch. Its made of polymer that was used for parts in Lemania 5100 - one of the most reliable mechanical chronograph movements out there. The same type of polymer used for transmission parts of some KTM motorcycles, so don't be hating on plastic Russel, 70% of your body consists of it nowadays.
It ain’t a good look my friend. Why not make all the moving parts plastic??? It’s sneaky, it’s cheaper. There’s a reason Tissot don’t use those parts in there gentlemen watches . The ones close to a grand. You ain’t turning me round my friend
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR
"Why not make all the moving parts plastic?" you ask. Well, that's a good question! The answer lies in the Tissot Astrolon. It was a revolutionary movement (no pun intended), but unfortunately, it didn't gain much popularity, especially with the onset of the quartz crisis. So, the plastic revolution never truly materialized.
Grand Seiko does my head in: amazing dials , finishing and movements but Zero effort but Into brackets with no taper and clasps without micro adjust a product is only as good as it's weakest link ... So disappointing as they must have the technology and ability to correct it in seconds but don't .
My two cents here: the 50 meters water resistance is good enough for a field watch. During my service, I was wearing a plastic Swatch with 30 meter water resistance and had never any problem with the watch. But as mountain infantry rifle man, scuba diving was not our priority. 🙂
Second; some folks says that manual winding watches such as a Khaki Field or a Speedy are a pain to own.
Sometimes holidays (with pool) are even tougher than war...
Agreed!
With regards to field watches like the Hamilton, military watches are made for a specific often singular purpose. To be honest many UK soldiers wear an F91w or one of the Garmin variants these days. For example CWC G10s are like hens teeth in my experience of the MOD; over the past 25yrs I’ve probably seen half a dozen in the wild & the MOD issue one is only 50m water resistant( which is more than enough for traversing a river) & has acrylic glass, hence why the CWC dive watches are produced for clearance divers etc . Field watches are for land based evolutions not for when wearing a rebreather
I fell in a pool with mine, the white version of the one TMWC has. It was absolutely fine.
In hindsight I could have worn it in the water all the time, given the Swatch Group actual depth ratings.
Most soldiers wear g shocks and other beater watches that are digital quartz.
. A mechanical watches are not practical these days.
@@johnemerson2221Your lucky you didnt have to settle for all the old Pulsars the RAMC had when my dad served. My god the reflection on those crystals was blinding when I walked past anyones dad on base in the late 90s 😂
Casio is God tier, and it sucks to own anything expensive after the realization that there's no point to any watch collection after adding the FW-91, a G-shock, and a couple of other fun Casios. Good show to open the new year. Cheers.
There's more to horology than digital watches
The F-91W is hands down the best watch ever made. Everything else is wrist decoration. Too many enthusiasts get defensive about that point and try to justify their expensive purchases. I've never seen more insecure people than Rolex collectors tbh, lotta rich people need to accept that a watch is just jewellery.
@@marmite8959 The Omega fan boys are by far the most insecure in the hobby. All they do is whine about how the Seamaster/Speedmaster is better than the Submariner/Daytona to a overkill extent. They can't keep Rolex out their mouths. Picking on Rolex owners is extremely played out. The truth is your comment is true for alot of brand's and not just Rolex
I believe regarding the prx, you could buy the quartz version of it not only for half the price, but it’s easier to maintain, more accurate and would probably last longer than the plastic parts in the mechanical version.
If you’re into quartz watches, not something I will purchase
To be fair, you can say that about most mechanical vs quartz watches
@@inrtime yes and I won’t purchase any quartz
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You made it clear the first time.
The problem of Grand Seiko is that it has Seiko in the name.
if it was named Kanagawa or Kawabunga or Fujitori it would a contender for the top 3 spot of the holly trinity of watches
Not helped by regular Seiko’s shite QC
Kawabunga would suck tbh. I think that Grand Seiko need to sort their bracelets (as do most watches with 'Seiko' written on them). I do hope to own a GS eventually, but atm I think it would be on a leather strap for me, and I wouldn't give XXXX what anyone thought.
I agree with the statement even though grand seiko have a factory and engineers that have nothing to do with the regular seikos, it's completely another world but that seiko on the dial is prone to put off a lot of people
@@mimesache8998 As I said the practices of regular Seiko have tarnished GS
I was surprised to see the AE1200 wasn't on the list. I can't think of another watch ever created that is so much watch for so little money. Like you mentioned about the F-91, when I wear my AE1200 I wonder why I even bothered buying any other watch. Next thing I know every other watch in the watch box is gathering months of dust because the AE1200 does literally everything you could want in a watch.
Why would a brand like Tissot put PLASTIC PARTS inside one of their models!?? I won't even entertain a thought of buying ANYTHING from Tissot now. Gross.
I’d say you have to just know which model of Tissot to buy…they have higher level or better quality movements, some are even COSC certified. Those would be worth the money.
Even Omega has gone to use plastic in a past Speedmaster for the brake in the movement. Functionaly, it was even better than using a metal brake. It that reference metal brakes were only used with transparent casebacks as they were aesthetically better.
The negative comments I just know are going to POP up is part of the reason my invicta pro diver in a way “sucks” too own. 😂. But haters bring it on. My daughter bought this for me like 12 years ago and it still keeps good time. It’s very durable it looks great. It’s the silver sunburst dial/stainless steel case black rubber strap only wear is a few minor scratches on the bezel. Is it perfect. No not at all but my only complaints is the poor lume and the poor function of the bezel. Very difficult to turn. I’ve actually thought about putting a dab of gun oil in it LOL
How does one get robbed in a country where there is not a lot of guns? I am just curious. I live in the U.S. and if someone came up to me and wanted my watch and they did not have a gun they would just be asking for a bad day.
I think that’s the reason my friend. The criminals have guns or knives, it’s illegal for us to tool up
About the Hamilton's 5ATM WR: you have to remember that this watch was originally built to a military specification. Not "military" as in "tough enough for any war zone" but "contract won by the lowest government bidder". Also meaning, "sustained swimming is *not* a general military duty." 5ATM WR will survive a torrential downpour as well as *casual* swimming (aka splashing around hip-deep in the shallow end of the pool, which is how wet a fully armored and armed infantryman wants to get).
In comparison, Marathon Watches' General Purpose military watch is built to current military specs and is 3ATM WR.
Love The royal oak, bought The prx (like you said), wouldnt pay The royal oak price for one so The prx is good enough. My favourite part with The prx is its versatility, can be worn with suit, casually clothing etc. And love The way The integrated bracelet with 40mm case looks on my wrist.
Your point on the F91W was hysterical. It's all we ever needed.
I had absolutely NO idea that the PRX contains plastic parts! I wouldn't buy one anyway, I remember seeing one in a pawn shop in Blackpool, sitting in the window, slightly scratched, slightly dusty, and amazingly for sale at ABOVE RETAIL!! PMSL. It just looked so sad, dated and pathetic I was instantly repulsed! Combine that with the massive publicity it's had on RUclips watch channels, I'm really turned off to it, but to find it's got plastic bits, is to me quite shocking. I would have expected better from Tissot!
I agree with you so much on the hamilton khaki feild, I love mine but I don't wear it as much because I'm afraid of it finding water.
The recommended video at the end was this video again, youtube thought it was so sensational I should watch it twice 🤣🤣🤣
Hahahahaha keeping you on the hamster wheel!!!!;)
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTORWhat do you call a Seiko that lines up perfectly?
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTORThe American mil spec field watches have always been 3 bar water resistant. British military field watches 5 bar water resistant at the least.
casio Protrek watches. everyone talks about gshocks but being a Protrek owner can feel like being the red headed step child of the family. 😂 the newer prw 50 and 60 watches are amazing and I wear one over my gshocks almost everyday.
Not a powermatic80 fanboy, but plastic has been used in mechanical movements for decades and decades, lemania5100 comes to mind. Even the powermatic80 has been around for 10 years already and have never heard a story of the plastic pallet wheel or pallet fork breaking, and not all of them contain plastic either. As well, you'll not need to regulate them as they regulate them to cosc spec at the factory, and the free sprung balance system is also much harder to go out of regulation than the more common regulation organ.
I absolutely LOVE my Invicta pro diverers. One for over 10 years now, and 4 have been added over the years.
😂 I think you could say Casio sucks for all watch collectors, as for under £100 they offer "the only watch you need", whether it's the £10 FW91 or the all singing dancing G-Shock with regularly retails at Argos for £79.99. Watches that suck for me are the overpriced, overhyped and often unobtainable ones which offer little more than a display of your status in this strange world of aspiration. Must confess don't understand the negativity towards the PRX. The auto keeps superb time (mine -3 secs per week) and providing the movement lasts several years and can be replaced inexpensively then I would have little worry given everything else it offers. Keep up the good work, your videos are certainly a refreshing take in the world of watches and really enjoy what the wife says 😁👍
I see lots of reviewers complaining about watches being “ only “ 50 meters water resistant. 99 % of people will never go below 5 meters in their lifetime. And if you do go diving, you will absolutely never wear your “ diver “ wrist watch. 50 meters is more than enough for a wrist watch.
Happy new year, keep up the good work !
Thank you my friend. When swimming in a pool, your pushing of your arm through the water or current increase the atmospheric pressure. So a dive into a pool?????? I’m not sure a 50 meter non screw down crown would survive my friend.
Yeah, 50m doesn't mean you can go 50m underwater, it means 5atm. That means swimming for a reasonable period mau not be suitable. 100m or 10atm and you're happy as dorry to just keep on swimming (though not scuba dive).
50mtrs is basically splash proof, but would survive if you dropped it in the sink lol...
Yeah 50m doesn't scare me off a field watch. If I'm swimming I am going to grab a diver
The PLASTICmatic 80 is in everything and just isn't as good as ETA's 3 jewel quartz movements in the quartz versions of the same lines. I have a watch with that movement and it gains 3 seconds a month. Not days, but about half a minute a YEAR accuracy for a lot less than that cheap "auto-plastic" movement. Pick whichever name you like - I'm partial to "auto-plastic" myself.
* note - don't actually GET the digital PRX. Get the same movement in something with hands and dials.
It is indeed interesting that the best Swatch group watches are their quartz models in terms of reliability and accuracy. What you are looking for is "ETA Heavydrive" or "3 Jewels" somewhere on the face or specs. I think it's the least expensive high accuracy quartz movement currently.
The thing I hate about owning an F91W is that my wrist is just too big for it.
I absolutely love the watch, but can't wear it without it looking silly.
Must say , I've been gone awhile and I miss this channel. I'm subbed to a few popular watch channels but yours is THE GREATEST!
My Grand Seiko Spring Drive Chronograph sucks - it has spent more than 50% of the time I have owned it away in Japan being repaired. Fragile rubbish that I wish I never clapped my eyes on 😢
Last year on dec 25 2023 i got a F91W as a xmas present. I kept it in its original plastic see through box after setting the time correctly, so never had it on the wrist for over a year. Last week i checked the watch and it was on -14 seconds over the last year.....wow. My Captain Cook runs on +7 seconds a day....i guess that sucks a bit considering the price difference between these 2 watches.. Hny to all the MWC gang out there!
My black bezel GMT master 2 is my daily. Met a bloke in a pub with a rose gold one he'd paid £19k for. Most folk haven't got a clue about watches.
The casio f91w is actually true. It’s the watch that stop me from buying automatic watches. The last time i bought an automatic watch was back on 2020. And i don’t wear my automatic watches that often because i can’t take my casio off my wrist.
@THE-MADWATCHCOLLECTOR how to claim?
A great show to close out 2023! I think you absolutely nailed every point MWC! Especially the F91W being all the watch anyone ever really needs. That hits home hard when you think about it 😂 Happy New Year to you and your family MWC 🍻
Spot on with the SKX observation. My first watch was a 009. I then bought and sold 50 watches to arrive back to the SKX. Amazing little thing.
Re PRX. I almost refused to even look at a PRX for a long time due to people like yourself trashing the movement and even now i part agree with your opinions on it BUT after finally trying one on it was such a beautiful watch and wore so well I now own two of them. Now yes I still agree on the use of plastic parts but has anyone shown and proven that those parts actually wear out or fail faster?
Also as for the regulation. Well I spent some time looking into the movement and when seeing the high tech laser based regulation they use on them they really are performing the best they ever will. Now sure they might get worse over time when people don't look after them or abuse them but so far it's one of the most accurate movements in my collection and i do own some really nice watches.
Given how many PRX's are getting sold I am also sure in a few years time other companies that deal in making parts and tools for watchmaking will come up with some kit that will just swap out those few plastic parts or even just OEM spec new parts so the argument many have on them not been serciable will become a mute point. Regulation? People already say their are ways to do it on these if needed but I have not looked into that much.
So could tissot just done it better from the start? Yeah sure but then it would not be the bargain it sells for. I have a gentleman powermatic as well which is the same movement but without the plastic parts in it so one could just swap in that spec powermatic into a PRX anyway 5-10 years down the track.
This is a great in depth comment and I appreciate it my friend. If I was given 2 PRX’s one with plastic moving parts and one without, guess which PRX you , Me and everyone else would pick? There’s a reason they don’t do this in the Tissot Gentleman with the Powermatic 80. It’s a cheap move no matter how you look at it and what background you have my friend.
The orient triton neptune dive watch, blue, with power meter is terrific.....but, it's not a seiko. But, I love it! My ersatz grand seiko is the seiko presage spf53. That textured light ice blue dial is like wild. I have the quartz blue prx. I've had problems with the powermatic 80 movement. My mido is a constant headache.
Great show mate! Really amusing. The F91 popped up and I thought: 'Hang on a sec... where's this going!!' All the best to you and yours for NY. 👍👍
Who's buying a $600 Tissot to be an heirloom watch? To me the problem with the PRX movement isn't the plastic parts, it's that the watch and movement are so cheap that it will never be worth the cost to service or repair. This problem is common to all cheap mechanicals (including your precious SKX). Personally, if I take it to service and it gets a new movement, I'd call that a win. It's not the kind of watch where parts originality is ever going to matter.
I have to agree that even though I absolutely love my PRX Powermatic 80, the fact that it has plastic parts sometimes nags at the back of my mind like “Hey, this watch has plastic parts in the movement, it’s only a matter of time before one of them breaks.” Beautiful watch, bracelet and case finishing is second to none for its price point, but the plastic parts is still a major concern.
Do you ever had a daily moving/working kitchen/coffee mashine, wich died because of the plastic parts in it were broken? No? Me neither! Either the motor dies or you let it fall of the kitchen sink😅
Great subject! Great logic! I've never had a watch i didn't like ... But I've a few with butterfly clasps and no micro adjust that make sizing dicey. The ones without half links can suck because it's hard to get them to fit through all seasons of the year. 😮😊
I like my Citizen collection of watches but what sucks about them is the lack of no micro adjusts on there bracelets, and their small date windows!
FYI, not all PowerMatic 80 movements have plastic bits. The PM80 Silicium in the Tissot Gentleman has no plastic bits, for example. If I had a PRX, I would consider upgrading the movement when service time comes around.
I was gonna say this. I own the Tissot gentleman and have never had any issues with it. When it came to the PRX, I think it's a fun watch but I'd definitely recommend the Quartz version
Yeah I have no interest in the PRX but definite interest in the Gentleman Powermatic 80 Silicum.
And Swatch still doesn't service them when that time comes, they replace the movement. I've asked at several certified watchmaker's shop and AD's and gotten the same answer.
@@karlsenula9495 Same here. Buddy of mine has a couple PRXs (one auto, one quartz), and they are nice, but not my style. Gentleman is very high on my list though.
@@Hrethgir agree a much more versatile look and GADA watch.
The best part of wearing an under-appreciated watch is that you own and wear it for yourself, for the story you know and appreciate, not merely to impress other people; the next best part, I suppose, is not having to worry as much about theft/muggings.
Something for people to note on the powermatic 80 movmt inside the PRX, this is the 23-jewel version of the movement which, as the video says, does have a plastic escapement and pallet fork. However, there is more than one version of the powermatic 80, Certina, Hamilton, Mido etc all modify them slightly for their needs. BUT, within Tissot if you see any watch which has the "25-jewel" version then this is a more premium version with real, metallic components in the movement and would be the better option! E.g. the one inside the Gentleman or the Certina DS action diver.
Chronoswiss lunar chronograph. Looks stunning, just can’t tell the time with it because the gold hands on silver dial are literally invisible for 95% of lighting conditions!
Imagine getting mugged for a $250 Rolex homage.
I luv this watch channel....its like I'm gettin watch advice from a bloke at Pub off his head on Charlie & beers .
Im just here to say that my GMW B500D-1 is taking a hell of a beating and looking better for every scratch! Don't be afraid to wear: the Steel Square.
Well said!!!!
Absolutely agree on these! Great fun to see you again Russ! Have a fantastic start to the new year! 🧡
Cheers Gerry!!
So true 😂 for some reason i always grab my Casio F91
Offering the PRX with a mechanical movement that isn't the Powermatic 80 would have been a far better idea than making it digital.
Plot twist! They all really don't suck 😂
I think the use of "plastic" in the escapement of the PRX is a mountain being made out of a molehill. All the criticisms regarding that are based on hypotheticals and not grounded at all in reality.
It's almost as if this issue sprouted up simply to throw cold water on all the hype surrounding the watch. Like it HAS to have an Achilles heel, right?
WHAT IF....the plastic parts wear out sooner than a comparable metal component.
WHAT IF....the Powermatic 80 is completely dropped by Tissot rendering the watch completely unserviceable.
All these are in fact POSSIBLE, but currently are not an issue. There have been no reported escapement failures due to the materials used in this movement. The "servicing" cost of the PRX is more than reasonable, at less than $200.00 USD for FULL maintenance, which includes an entire rebuild or replacement of the movement.
No one is expecting you to hand down a PRX Powermatic 80 to your children. In the same way that I'm not going to hand down a watch with a Seiko NH34 inside. It is designed to be an entry level Swiss Automatic movement, not a Rolex/Omega/AP/Patek (insert your favorite luxury brand here) killer.
And I don't think that this makes the SUCK to own.
IF the Powermatic 80 starts suffering component failures, and Tissot/Swatch group completely drops support for the PRX, then I'd say sure, that makes it suck to own.
But considering the Powermatic 80 or a version thereof is being used not only by Tissot, but other Swatch Group brands, I don't see anyone dropping this movement anytime soon.
There’s a reason why the Tissot gentlemen which is 300 pounds more than the PRX has a powermatic 80 WITHOUT the plastic parts.
Stop defending them , they need to know us enthusiasts don’t like it
The 50m water resistance of field watches has had me puzzled as well.
Couldn't agree with you more regarding the Powermatic 80. They also have it in some really nice looking Midos for their high price point
Come on Russell; when you coming out with your field watch? I’m dying with suspense!
Honestly I don't get the prx plastic hate, I mean if the plastic is as good or better than a metal part... So what! Is progress on materials engineering and will help produce cheaper movements for entry level brands... So everyone wins you get a good watch at a cheaper price (margins are margins and always will be sky high in this industry... Or are we sure a royal oak only has a 7% profit margin as any commodity)
I can attest that the Khaki Field watch is junk. I use to own one. I bought it brand new from the online AD. The big crown with no crown guards is a huge point of failure. Also that it is not a screw down crown and manual wind is a disaster waiting to happen. I wore mine exactly 3 times to my office job before the crown just twisted off like snapping a toothpick. My watchmaker said the crown stem had corroded which meant water had seeped into it and due to the daily manual winding friction, the crown was inevitably going to break off. Especially because the components were cheap and it was not constructed to the tolerances of everyday use. AVOID BUYING THIS WATCH!!
I’m glad I bought the automatic version but the green indices along with no AR makes it difficult to read sometimes. Not as well regulated as my Marathon’s same SW-200, another minus for Hamilton.
Explaining the smooth sweep of my Shunbun Spring Drive, and being asked, “oh, like Rolex?”
All of my watches suck when I'm debating which watch to wear for a day.
I have a Rolex GMT Master 2 Pepsi, and I totally agree. I am very hesitant to wear it where anyone can see it, and I whenever someone has seen it, they usually comment on it or I see people looking at it. I get real paranoid after this, even when I live in a relatively safe area. Unfortunate the world we have to live in now.
I wonder about the notion that powermatic 80 is more fragile than the regular ETA2824 because of its plastic parts. If anyone’s seen them, could they share reports on breakage or more evidence based commentary on this?
It’s a good point however with a plastic cog that has teeth will surely degrade quicker than a stainless steel one? It’s just a bit sneaky isn’t it. Cost cutting can be the only reason?????
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR oh mate I agree, it’s more than a bit sneaky. I dislike enormously what the Swatch group has been doing with its greenwashing plastic, disposable movement design, various cost cutting measures in its relentless pursuit of profit. Moonswatch & 50FF are scandalous in my opinion. It’s why despite liking the quartz PRX, I still haven’t bought one yet - I don’t like the Swatch group that much. But I do wonder about whether we’re missing something with the use of polymer in watch movement - is there an argument to be made about plastic being superior in some ways? Plastic has come a long way, and I can see how in specific applications, plastic could be preferred over steel. Would appreciate it if someone’s read more comprehensive comments about it could share them.
Mine is the casio dw5600. I love everything about it except the screen. When i look at it directly it fades out to the point of being hard to read, i have to angle my wrist like im showing someone else the time to be able to get a nice sharp image. It honestly makes me choose my casio MRW-200HD over it every day even tho the dw5600 features would be so helpful through the day!
I thought the Powermatic 80 was more complicated. I thought there are 3 versions of it. The Prx has plastic, the Gentleman has silicon, and Certina’s version has nivachron (titanium based). You should do a show on these
What version does the seastar 2000 have?
They are all either the same powermatic 80 or the quartz version@@anandmorris
And apparently hamiltons use an all metal parts version.
This should tell you everything though my friend!
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR But seriously...this is a great topic for an explainer video...would love to see one!
Agree with you about the Hamilton water resistance. All Certina watches, who are like Hamilton part of the Swatch group, START with a water resistance of 100 meters - there are even some Certina ladies dress watches (not dive watches) that are 200M WR
I have the PRX and I love it, so I’m a bit biased. However, while it is true that you can’t regulate the P80 movement as you would with other movements, the P80 movement is serviceable by Tissot. They even publish the costs of servicing the movement, which is quite affordable. So there’s no reason why you couldn’t pass on a PRX to another generation just like any other mechanical watch.
You rock, dude. Always hoping to run into you when I pass through Waterloo.
I really don’t get the Swatch collab hate. I work in an office where the most common worn watch is some kind of Rolex and the second most common kind of watch is an Apple watch.
I’m the weirdo wearing GS and regular Seiko to the office.
The common ground I have with the Rolex crowd is geeking out over the Moonswatch and the Swatch Fifty Fathoms.
They’re fun watches and don’t cost a ton. As well compensated as we are, we don’t make enough to have a watch box full of “fun watches” each costing thousands of dollars.
Which is why I don’t own a ton of Zodiac.
I think these ones left a bitter taste in watch and Swatch collectors mouths my friend. The debarked of the release. But like I said in the show they make like 500% profit on these!!! You can get a chronograph Swatch for under 100 pounds. It’s a proper scam imo but a fun one!
The SKX013 was my first automatic watch and I really like it and will definitely keep it, but every now and then I wonder if I shouldn‘t have bought the 007 instead as the 013 looks really small when you look down at your wrist due to the small dial. The overall watch does not look particularly small on my 6.5 inch wrist…
I think that you’re the only one who genuinely told the truth about the Tissot PRX powermatic 80 as no body else talked absolutely nothing against about it. How good is the quartz version of the PRX? Actually I own it and wanted to confirm where I stand!
My Hamilton broke winding a few years ago. Wound it very gently. Replaced under warranty and flipped. The ghost now haunts me as I miss it, especially on the no frills metal bracelet which most people hate. Good insights and show always. HNY!
The ‘watches that suck to own’ videos are very fashionable these days 😊
Gotta get the clicks my friend then the mad watch collector has ya!!!!!
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTORHaha! ✌️
I love my Khaki mechanical. I wear it a whole lot, but wish it was 100m of WR. I paid 300 USD for it, which seems reasonable.
One of the most sucky things for me in a watch is a incorporated bracelet/strap that can’t be swapped out with standard or a different style. I have an older Citizen watch that I love but, it has a 16mm lug width and then the rubber strap flares out to 20/21mm. So it’s impossible to find a good replacement strap option plus the original strap is weak and defective design 😡
Got some watches that sucks since the begining but started to suck even more because they last an eternity and compete each other to the others brands i got and hate each other.
About the Powermatic 80's plastic internals: this is one of the ways that watchmakers avoid damage by accidental magnetism. Because there are magnets everywhere (stereo speakers, clasps on wallets, smartphones, laptops, etc) there's a higher chance of a mechanical watch's movement getting magnetic damage than there was during the 70s. Since most buyers of the Tissot *aren't* super-enthusiasts, they won't try to regulate a watch on their own and they'll bring it back to the AD for fixing anyway.
Just got F91W with skeleton bracelet. You're right: It sucks because it's all the watch i need.
The watch I have that sucks is the DW-5000E. I'm an automotive painter and this is my work watch. It sucks cause it's so damn durable and reliable. I want a new work watch but this one refuses to die!
London isn’t the only capital city with watch theft problems.
Hell no
interesting takes: The main reason it sucks to own the GMT M2, is the opposite for the GS snowflake.. One can get you shanked, the other you have to beg for attention 🤣..
play it safe with the SKX lol
I have 1 automatic watch which I love all the time , except when I have to set and wind it again! I prefer Quartz watches, except when the battery dies and I have to take it to the watch repair store. So everything has it's pros and cons, but I still love watches (even solar ones you only have to replace once in decades)!
I definitely hope to own the GW-5000U one day, but I gotta say, even a DW-5600 can survive being run over by a truck with no damage. Plus if the 5610 already has radio and solar modules, there’s no use in getting 5000U unless you’re willing to pay the premium.
Very interesting and different show 👍
So true, having a Casio G shock, I really don’t need any other watch.
The pre ceramic Rolex Pepsi GMT is just soo much nicer than the ceramic. I can't stand the bloated numerals on the bezel and crown guard as lugs. The pre ceramic is just perfect 👌
Absolutely agree!
Yeahhhhhh! lol I love the personality you put into this man, it's more fun than the watches sometimes.
Grand Seiko needs to redesign their watch bracelet to have glide lock style clasp on the fly adjustment.
“Similar to Rolex and Tudor new models”.
They all suck to own as I love them all and I can't wear them all at once 🤣
And I still want more! 😱
Hahahahaha
Marathon GSAR…. It’s an incredible watch that most people have never heard of, and a lot of people mistake for a Seiko.
The price of the SKX certainly sucks now…
I like GS because, unlike the Rolex, not many are going to clock you with it on… also, if I’m in a group that doesn’t know anything about watches, I can just play it off with, “Oh, it’s just a Seiko.” Save the joy for those in the know…
Ah, the SKX... I owned the Pepsi bezel SKX, and I love it but sell it, was incredibly cool but to be honest the saiko shuffle started to annoyed me. Well, here is my new year hot take: the 5KX is a better watch for starter watch fan😮.
Thank you for the video.
Agree for a starter watch fan . For a guy or gal that have been in the game longer than 5 years……? It’s a travesty ;( like a taxidermy job done on one of the Seiko icons;)
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR 😂
A few points about the the Powermatic 80. From what I have read, one of the advantages is that the plastic is self-lubricating in a way? I could be wrong, but I feel that there is more to it than meets the eye. And the movement can be regulated. It has regulating screws right there in the balance wheel, as well as guides that explain how to do it. One upside of plastic parts is that they can be more easily made than getting minuscule metal parts over the long term. But the base is easy to get ahold of so 🤷♂️I guess
It’s not what I wanna see in a Swiss movement from a brand that has built a hundred years reputation . Whether it’s a better lubricators or not ! The gentlemen Tissot , it has a powermatic 80 but does not have the amount of plastic as the PRX’s I don’t understand that?
The same story of self-lubricating plastic I saw when I bought my 7S26 Seiko SKX 779. Some of the movement parts failed and need replacement in 2022 after wearing it on most of the time in a span of 12-14 years. Unsure the broken parts were plastic or something else.
I think it's fine for a cheaper movement but for a premium watch and for robustness, no plastic should be used as it will aged, brittle and broken eventually.
At last you are one of the few Content creators that have the guts to say the truth about tissot prx powermatic 80. Congratulation
Ugh.... Here we go again.... I love your channel but spreading misinformation is uncool. So...
7:13 Hello. Watchmaker here. Composite on watches has been existing for quite a in fact, date mech on japanese watches and also used on Omega 1xxx movements, lemania 5100s which some wheel and bridges and 1861's chronograph wheel brake, valjoux 7750s hour counter brake too, and also Tissot Idea2001. I think "the controversial" usage of composite element in the escapement pretty much even now in Tissot watches was also due to their research on that Idea2001 watch too, which have less friction during the runs of it, and it's also part of their heritage too, though Swatch also used the Tissot tech in the watch they produce. And it seem at some points there's just a stigma about any formulation of "plastic product" as cheap, while the process that produce that escapement is actually quite a technical achievement in and of itself. And also I haven't seen yet C01/C07 composite escapement melted by far inside a movement due to impact which happens during the locking phase of the escapement. So far I could say that this is as robust as it could be from its introduction to market circa 2008. And, from what I see from the Tissot Idea 2001, the escapement was "self lubricating" too, and due to less friction I guess there is less heat that was being generated by the impact of the working escapement, though there is the wear and tear factor that could happens with this escapement, I might have to mention too that the normal steel grinding against ruby for quite a long time could also produce the wear and tear of the ruby itself starting with scratches then the steel and the ruby was eating themselves out, just like sapphire crystal of a watch that has been worn for quite a bit without care, it could led to scratches too. Conclusion, material wise, it'll just behave like the usual escapement, have to be maintained too, though I might add it should be handled carefully as you don't want to deform the escapement at all, which would mess with the geometry it was produced as accurately as possible, causing bad performance if used. And also those C07 movements are highly serviceable, so it's not just throwaway movement, they use special lubricant compared to the common swiss lever 9415 oil which if other watchmaker out there have the proper lubricant they could fix this watch too, and virtually you don't even need to do so, *AND* also the rate is adjustable by adjusting the eccentric screw as FFS it's a free sprung balance. AND the movement also isn't a throwaway, AS they exchange the movement so the turn around time of servicing is faster while the old movement sent to Swiss to service as we're not only servicing Tissot in the workshop but also up all the way to Breguet which need much more time to spend with. Regular automatic watches need atleast about 2.5 to 3 hours to work with, just imagine how long the service time would be for the owners if you considered how many PRX PM80 out there, not counting the chronographs that took 3.5-4 hours to do from dismantling, troubleshooting, washing, assembling and lubricating and fine tuning. With the queue if one wants to service instead of movement exchange, wait times would be like 6-8 months, and that's no fun. I'm not sure what the material composition used in the escapement though, I might say that it's a trade secret of swatch group/eta, just like what material the minute repeater gongs in Patek philippe or JLC etc are, which most of them are trade secret alloys. But in my experience I have not seen a single one of the escape teeth /pallet fork surface worn out yet, most of the time it's the pivot metal alloy that worn out first if there's a lack of maintenance. To regulate the rate of the watch, instead of sliding a regulator index pin carrier to change the active length of the hairspring, watchmakers work with the inertia of the balance wheel, rotating the asymmetrical eccentric screws on the balance arm/spokes. Waaay easier and waay more accurate. So you don't have to send it back to Tissot but you can do it yourself AS LONG AS YOU KNOW HOW TO DO SO.
Phew~
This is a great in depth comment and I appreciate it my friend. If I was given 2 PRX’s one with plastic moving parts and one without, guess which PRX you , Me and everyone else would pick? Even though it has amazing lubricant!!! There’s a reason they don’t do this in the Tissot Gentleman with the Powermatic 80. It’s a cheap move no matter how you look at it and what background you have my friend.but how amazing is it to open up a 50’s even 40’s Tissot and see the mechanics and the Swiss engineering that went into it. 50 years down the line , if these watches are still knocking about, for a watchmaker to open a PRX up?? It’s just not great. We buy watches with mechanical movements because of their link to the past, to a time when these amazing machines were relied upon in all walks of life . It’s just not for me my friend
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR the thing is that the escapement is technically not a "plastic" in the first place. And also, the synthetic material is quicker to respond to impulses due to its light-weight, same reason why the seiko skeletonized the escape wheel and its pallet fork, which in turn resulting higher amplitude and stable power distribution. And because it's made similar with silicium escapement system in mind that tries to mitigate the friction in the normal steel vs. ruby jewel on the Swiss lever, I have serviced these powermatic 80 movement older than 12 years and they still running about and its common problem they have are the lubrication on the gear train is drying or automatic system oiling is drying, AS any other watches have if it's not regularly maintained. And also if as you said a cheap move, then I think it's a damn great move, as people can find watches with these movement under 500usd so people can get a swiss quality watches with longevity in mind affordably. And also, these escapement parts are exchangeable with 2824 metal escapement, so everyone and their moms can service this movement.
Vostok for me! Nightmare for setting date when left unworn!! Takes an age!
yep so true but still love my amphibia even tho the lume and bezel also suck !
@BAF605 Yea but I always want a date on my watches. Still, I sit and wind it round and round. Tis worth it!
Gw5000u owner here since last year, Love it, a real nerds watch, keep up the good work.
I love the Casio A168WG. It's great fun, but it sucks to own because the gold pvd coating is so fragile. You could probably wipe it off with a thorough scrub of your thumb. As a result, I rarely wear it, especially with long sleeves.
Good choices here! I have a 1980 Seiko 7548 Pepsi quartz diver. Its been serviced, runs within 2-3 second per month, passed the waterproof test, and looks awesome. But...the lume is dead. I love wearing this watch, but it sucks when the sun goes down.
Seiko prospex chronograph aka Seitona. All colors of the rainbow are available for purchase. It's a beater, that dresses up well, and it's ridiculously useful also its got solar.
My 50 cent: the infamous G-Shock DW-5040RX-7.
(the 40th anniversary clear bezel, strap and transparent display).
It really sucks, because it looks so good with the transparent display, but it sucks because IT'S BARELY LEGIBLE. I've tried it and, with death and sadness in my heart, I have never bought it.
And it sucks to have a so damn good looking watch, and can't read the time properly.
hello MWC I got a SNJ035P1 and had it a week and the time crown broke! it's gone back for a replacement watch 😀
i didn’t know the powermatic movement in the prx had plastic bits i was thinking about saving up for a watch in that price range definitely won’t be picking the prx unless it’s the quarts version lol
So…as someone that would like to purchase a Swiss watch that doesn’t have a lot of plastic within, which brands should I look into?
Why Swiss my friend? Also what’s your budget?
Not certain why Swiss watches, I mostly have Asian watches but as I approach retirement I thought I could splurge on a Tudor Ranger or something else from Switzerland. I’ll probably look to spend around $3,000 U.S.
@@j.k.7595Omega is a great brand and value.
The Quartz PRX is the best version. I have owned two automatics and one quartz. the dial of the Quartz is just nicer. And it is less of a wannabe watch.
I don't care about the plastic parts. The Omega Speedmaster had a plastic movement part for 50 years. Look up "delrin brake". It can be regulated by other watchmakers itself, but not by anyone. A normal 2824 could be serviced by anyone.
The 5000u is great, but I prefer the old module 5000. The green EL backlight is just so much nicer. It fits the luxury image of this model better than the single white LED on the left side.