Love the driver's view runs!! You really get a perfect view of train movements. The added comments about stations and cross roads is appreciated. Crossing removal is essential to faster trains and unempeded traffic movement. Thank you for posting this.😀😀💚💚
They completed the level crossing removal at Ferguson Street, Williamstown by lowering the rail line into a rail trench with a new North Williamstown Station.
I love the sound of a Comeng. I'm going to miss them. Hopefully someone can convince Metro to keep some or donate them to the historical railway teams before they get scrapped or deteriorate too much
@@CoolJRT2009 Some of them are being refurbished and are expected to remain in service for quite a few more years. They can be identified by new passenger information display screens inside the cars. Probably other changes too.
Probably because, if my memory is correct, it is only single track with the terminus being a simple end of track. There is only ever one train on the single track at a time, so there’s no need for concern about train separation or anything like that.
😊👍 when you have nothing to do, you will find the rest here. Maybe there are some not yet seen. Melbourne - Driver's View Trains ruclips.net/p/PLLtOIHp49XNDtaNr2H41P2th0S56s6bIH
Yes you should. Plenty of stations on viaducts. You will find several videos of those works here: Melbourne - Driver's View Trains ruclips.net/p/PLLtOIHp49XNDtaNr2H41P2th0S56s6bIH
Do the Melbourne trains not have the constant warning alerts for signals that UK trains have? I kind of miss them as it is always fun to try and spot the signal when the alert sounds.
No, nor does Sydney. Both cities have signal trip arms beside the tracks at each signal. When the signal is red, the arm is up and it WILL knock a lever on the front bogie and this gives an emergency air brake application. Fog is rarely a problem so in-cab signals are not that necessary, although Sydney may be experimenting with that sort of thing. Brisbane does have a system like Britain. I’m not that keen on it as any driver could acknowledge a warning signal alarm, and just keep going until a collision. Was that a factor at Moorgate? I did experience the British system personally. You will see it here. Sly Drives of Electric Trains. Melbourne, Sydney, London. ruclips.net/video/dR8gZ9tJeyI/видео.html
@@tressteleg1 I agree with you about the warning sounds not being so effective. Apart from anything else our brains are very good at tuning out repetitive sounds. I lived by Dennis station for a long time and never heard the trains except when they were held for a long time after an incident. Then the brain kicked in to get me looking out the window to see what was happening.
As you suggest, it is easy to become ‘deaf’ to repetitive sounds, or think you hear the opposite of what was actually emitted. Years ago in the days of single track there was a head on crash near Trinder Park in Brisbane where a driver left the loop station before the other train arrived. How the AWS type system was misinterpreted I don’t know, but there was no physical barrier to hold the train back. A report would be on the internet if you want to look it up.
semaphore signal is visible from 0:39 to 0:50 and goes to the far right. this signal is numbered 52 and may be in operation for a line barely used up in newport
Thank you for this video.and for the interesting cab ride. Crossing Fergusson st. was the sole purpose of changing location at Williamson North station ?
@@javierguidounicaud6621 I have since seen that the new line has been moved sideways slightly so that the old station building for city-bound trains is still there.
I've noticed the same thing over here in the UK, how older electrification has the contact wire and upper support wire spaced much further apart than the modern installations. I wonder why that is.
Ideas on technology change over the years. With higher wires, the masts were probably further apart. Apparently the problem with that was that high winds more easily blew the wires away from the pantographs.
Higher speeds require a more precise tensioning of the current-carrying cable - and generally a higher tension. One of the main reasons for that is to minimise the "bow-wave" effect on the cable of a pantograph moving forward at speed. Well - I'm no expert, but that was the explanation I picked up from an authoritative technical article on the Great Western Mainline electrification (which went disastrously over-budget), in "Modern Railways" magazine a few years ago.
That’s true, but the British speeds would have been 2 to 3 TIMES faster than Melbourne ever does. And until the 1980s Sydney overhead had no tensioning weights. Wire was Tight in winter, loose in summer. Electrification of railways was in its infancy before the 1920s so no doubt all sorts of theories about the best methods were tried until with time the most efficient became the norm.
Yes. Melbourne and Adelaide are 1600 for suburban trains. Sydney 1435mm Brisbane and Perth 1067mm which does not slow their trains down. Both these places have stretches of 140km/h and 130km/h respectively, faster than Sydney or Melbourne electric trains.
Well there would be something terribly wrong if the Sydney metro were giving a rough after just a few years of service. ‘Metro’ in Melbourne is nothing but the name of the contractor operating the service with most lines well over 100 years old. But track maintenance standards there have never been wonderful.
Thanks. But I thing Slaughter would be a more accurate word for Retirement. In more recent videos the driver has noted the carriage number so that will be part of history. He said he is concentrating on getting the 300s and 400s.
I suppose that is supposed to be a polite request for me to do that line. I got a heap of videos from my driver 2 weeks ago, and if it includes completion of the trackwork for the project, I’ll do it in due course.
Love the driver's view runs!! You really get a perfect view of train movements. The added comments about stations and cross roads is appreciated. Crossing removal is essential to faster trains and unempeded traffic movement.
Thank you for posting this.😀😀💚💚
Hey what if I see Timon and Pumbaa at the new North Williamstown Station?
😂😂🤣🤣 Wtf?
Cool.Video I love The drivers View,You may need To come to perth and Bunbury in W.A.
Perth DV views would be nice. Can the passengers still see out the front like they could in the past?
They completed the level crossing removal at Ferguson Street, Williamstown by lowering the rail line into a rail trench with a new North Williamstown Station.
G'day Richard. Great video showing the changes. Pity about the loss of the old station buildings.
Thanks. When they had to dig the ground from under the station… End of story.
Smashing video mate. I need to get out more often and check these out sometime. Cheers from Ashford.🤪
A good idea. The small screen can only portray so much.
I love the sound of a Comeng. I'm going to miss them. Hopefully someone can convince Metro to keep some or donate them to the historical railway teams before they get scrapped or deteriorate too much
@@CoolJRT2009 Some of them are being refurbished and are expected to remain in service for quite a few more years. They can be identified by new passenger information display screens inside the cars. Probably other changes too.
Why does North Williamstown station not appear to have any signal lights? Are they not required for this station? (I'm new to trains lol)
Probably because, if my memory is correct, it is only single track with the terminus being a simple end of track. There is only ever one train on the single track at a time, so there’s no need for concern about train separation or anything like that.
Love drivers views. Thank you.
😊👍 when you have nothing to do, you will find the rest here. Maybe there are some not yet seen.
Melbourne - Driver's View Trains
ruclips.net/p/PLLtOIHp49XNDtaNr2H41P2th0S56s6bIH
Thats Kinda what I wrote
Very nice video. I've never been to the Post Crossing removal stations (E.g Springvale, Noble Park) Perhaps I should sometime.
Yes you should. Plenty of stations on viaducts. You will find several videos of those works here:
Melbourne - Driver's View Trains
ruclips.net/p/PLLtOIHp49XNDtaNr2H41P2th0S56s6bIH
Do the Melbourne trains not have the constant warning alerts for signals that UK trains have? I kind of miss them as it is always fun to try and spot the signal when the alert sounds.
No, nor does Sydney. Both cities have signal trip arms beside the tracks at each signal. When the signal is red, the arm is up and it WILL knock a lever on the front bogie and this gives an emergency air brake application. Fog is rarely a problem so in-cab signals are not that necessary, although Sydney may be experimenting with that sort of thing.
Brisbane does have a system like Britain. I’m not that keen on it as any driver could acknowledge a warning signal alarm, and just keep going until a collision. Was that a factor at Moorgate?
I did experience the British system personally. You will see it here.
Sly Drives of Electric Trains. Melbourne, Sydney, London.
ruclips.net/video/dR8gZ9tJeyI/видео.html
@@tressteleg1 Thanks for your quick reply. It's good to know that Melbourne railways have a system that is independent of the driver.
@@tressteleg1 I agree with you about the warning sounds not being so effective. Apart from anything else our brains are very good at tuning out repetitive sounds. I lived by Dennis station for a long time and never heard the trains except when they were held for a long time after an incident. Then the brain kicked in to get me looking out the window to see what was happening.
As you suggest, it is easy to become ‘deaf’ to repetitive sounds, or think you hear the opposite of what was actually emitted. Years ago in the days of single track there was a head on crash near Trinder Park in Brisbane where a driver left the loop station before the other train arrived. How the AWS type system was misinterpreted I don’t know, but there was no physical barrier to hold the train back. A report would be on the internet if you want to look it up.
Thanks. Interesting comparison of before and after of North Williamstown. Might have convinced you of that perhaps.
Well making you aware of how it looked before, during and after was the whole idea 😄
Great video, thanks for sharing.
😊👍
I can honestly say Ive seen them all. Most twice. Thanks anyway.
I’m not real surprised to see that 👍👍
You mentioned that the track was lowered by 17 metres? At North Williamstown.
That's 55 feet, seems an excessive figure.
Is something remiss here?
Different reports quote different figures but one which makes the most sense is 750m long, 17m wide and 8m deep which sounds the most logical.
semaphore signal is visible from 0:39 to 0:50 and goes to the far right. this signal is numbered 52 and may be in operation for a line barely used up in newport
Thank you for this video.and for the interesting cab ride. Crossing Fergusson st. was the sole purpose of changing location at Williamson North station ?
Well getting rid of the crossing was the sole purpose of the works. The old station was in the way, so too bad.
@@tressteleg1 and the new one is more modern but nothing exceptional.Budget too short may be.
@@javierguidounicaud6621
I have since seen that the new line has been moved sideways slightly so that the old station building for city-bound trains is still there.
I've noticed the same thing over here in the UK, how older electrification has the contact wire and upper support wire spaced much further apart than the modern installations. I wonder why that is.
Ideas on technology change over the years. With higher wires, the masts were probably further apart. Apparently the problem with that was that high winds more easily blew the wires away from the pantographs.
Higher speeds require a more precise tensioning of the current-carrying cable - and generally a higher tension. One of the main reasons for that is to minimise the "bow-wave" effect on the cable of a pantograph moving forward at speed. Well - I'm no expert, but that was the explanation I picked up from an authoritative technical article on the Great Western Mainline electrification (which went disastrously over-budget), in "Modern Railways" magazine a few years ago.
That’s true, but the British speeds would have been 2 to 3 TIMES faster than Melbourne ever does. And until the 1980s Sydney overhead had no tensioning weights. Wire was Tight in winter, loose in summer. Electrification of railways was in its infancy before the 1920s so no doubt all sorts of theories about the best methods were tried until with time the most efficient became the norm.
HI MATE!! G'day!! Could you please tell me if the gauge is 1600mm or 1435mm?? Regards from Buenos Aires, Argentina, Rodolfo
Yes. Melbourne and Adelaide are 1600 for suburban trains.
Sydney 1435mm
Brisbane and Perth 1067mm which does not slow their trains down. Both these places have stretches of 140km/h and 130km/h respectively, faster than Sydney or Melbourne electric trains.
Why is there only 1 plarform at Williamstown? Looks like there's easily enough room for two
With sensible timetabling, obviously a single platform suffices for the train frequencies needed.
@@tressteleg1 would it have been 2 platforms when the line continued on to williamstown pier?
Dunno. Something for you to research.
Geez what a difference the trench makes.
Sure does 😊
A "branch line" that got dual tracks?! In before Seaholme/Altona/Westona complain 😲😂
Don’t forget there used to be a shipping pier there, so double track would have come from freight train needs.
Good one, cheers.
😊👍
Seems a bit short sighted to not resleeper the whole line from North Williamstown to Williamstown whilst all the works were going on.
That’s Melbourne 😊. But in fact I expect that just about every rail dollar is going into crossing removal projects, none of which are cheap.
I find Sydney Metro trains are very stable not wobbling left and right of Tracks. Melbourne Meteo trains are like Chicago Trains
Well there would be something terribly wrong if the Sydney metro were giving a rough after just a few years of service.
‘Metro’ in Melbourne is nothing but the name of the contractor operating the service with most lines well over 100 years old. But track maintenance standards there have never been wonderful.
Wow . I'm flummoxed .
Sorry to be dim - but what country is this?
Melbourne, Australia.
15:20 is 484M first comeng set to be scrapped in the Comeng Retirement Program
Thanks. But I thing Slaughter would be a more accurate word for Retirement.
In more recent videos the driver has noted the carriage number so that will be part of history. He said he is concentrating on getting the 300s and 400s.
4:42 You can just see the gates going down as the train continues
Good timing 😊
ty did you not notice that?
Of course I did, but there was no need to put text about it.
at 15:18 , that comeng looks terrible
I thought the same. Probably partly scrapped, total scrapping to follow. Some are gone already.
Do Cranbourne line duplication
I suppose that is supposed to be a polite request for me to do that line.
I got a heap of videos from my driver 2 weeks ago, and if it includes completion of the trackwork for the project, I’ll do it in due course.