Filmmakers nowadays seems to have forgotten the no. 1 rule of filmmaking: The visuals need to clearly contribute to the plot and should help the audience understand what's going on. Instead everything looks like a video game with lense flares, flashes and explosions everywhere which might be fun to design as a visual artist. But it is just vertigo-inducing and confusing to watch.
@@Idazmi7 I've played abstract vidyooooogames that had action, and I knew what Hell I'm looking and understood what they meant. Watching this garbage the ships are crap incomplete modernist art pieces, a paper plate was saved by another paper plate, destroying rocks, with a nonsensical space shield having no logical sense where the shield is generated- it is dangled keys to a dumb child. There is no geometry that makes a complete art, even if the ships were done in a weird abstract way, all just ass that not even a half that could be found in the room.
I'd rather check out SF I haven't even watched yet, than this insanity. I'm reading more into Legends. But that's just the beginning. I can't wait to get to Andromeda and Farscape!
Secret Hideout writers: Okay, this scene needs a space battle. Special effects guys, do your stuff. Special effects guys: Well, what's going on in the battle? What is the narrative for it? Secret Hideout writers: It's a space battle...in space.
Corridor digital probably wouldn't work on discovery as the narrative for discovery is so poor at about the grade level of a 5 year old and I think 5 year olds would get bored of discovery
@@halohaalo2583 Wow, seriously? All that dramatic music and "this is IT!" and they're playing "Asteriods". Another funny part is where Book(?) changes into his ship and talks. I guess they couldn't be bothered to flash to a bread interior shot. I dunno, I don't watch it. I only know about Discovery from Doomcock and Major Grin.
I wish they went back to how trek looked in the 90s, yes space battles where slow but the ship felt like it had weight (I know odd to say that in space, so i hope you know what I mean) and something to be said where less can sometime be more impactful, fast space battle I always felt had less impact to slower batter like in Wrath of Khan.
No I agree, ship combat in Star Trek (ignore dominion war) was always about capital ships fighting to the end. JJ turned everything into star fighters….
I completely agree, I have been saying this since this alternate Trek came out in 2009. Even in battles such as Sector 001 you were able to make individual ships out with detail. I also miss the intelligence in how different departments communicate and you see tactics unfold- the undiscovered Country for one example. These hacks know nothing
"What am I looking at, Lieutenant?" Yeah I have no idea either. Can you like, calm the camera down, and turn off the lens flare generator? Oh and FOCUS.
That's the point, its complete chaos, as it would be if you had a shit load a debris heading towards a planet while trying to evacuate as many people as possible.
@@brefasdra Ok it being chaos for the characters doesn't mean it should be chaos for the viewers. The viewers need to be able to clearly tell what's going on. We've seen desperate evacuations both in star trek and other sci fi plenty of times before and we could properly understand what was going on purely off visuals. Here it's a jumbled mess.
@@War450 I dont recall any desperate planet wide evacuations (where you have a few hours to save as many as possible) meanwhile you have all that debris (that you are also trying to mitigate as best as possible) flying towards you, the planet and other evacuation craft in ST or other SciFi. That sequence gives you some of the chaos and confusion the characters would be feeling in that situation as opposed to be . To be watching it from 100,00km away would be like ok yeah they are just getting people out, not big deal.
0:42 Love how random chunks of the station can warp without nacelles or any design elements whatsoever indicating a warp core because fuck it everything can warp now. Next season even people will have personal warp drives to go with their personal transporters that they forget to use when they are in trouble.
I don't see a problem with that, since it's so far in the future. It would be like a Viking seeing a modern navy ship and wondering how it moves without sails. The problem is that all the other warp ships still do have nacelles.
I usually tended to get excited for space battle/action scenes. This elicits no emotional response from me except slight nausea due to the abhorrent visuals.
It is indeed quite remarkable how the entertainment value / quality of space battles has taken a giant leap backwards. The CG guys from B5 look at this and have a chuckle. I'd love to see a video of their reactions to it.
At least in B5 you knew exactly what was going on in every battle and every scene was in service of the plot. Not just some random bullshit for the sake of random bullshit. The CG may be crude but I defy you to watch "Severed Dreams" where the EA goes toe-to-toe against the now independent B5 and tell me that isn't an absolutely perfect synchronized use of acting and showing the battle itself.
I miss the TOS space battles, like the Balance Of Terror episode, which was like a destroyer seeking a U-boat submarine, or any encounter with a Klingon battlecruiser...
I don't get why the asteroids move like in one direction and then moves in the other after the DMA is turned off. Wouldn't they just continue int he same direction? Also why aren't they on the side of Earth away from the incoming asteroids to do their evacuation, and blasting away the rocks with their defense platforms?
My vote is on the toilet ship and accompanying toilet seat ship, but I must say I'm nearly convinced it's this space whisk that can apparently separate into sections that warp away for some reason.
@@richardb6260 Eh, the Kirk-class at least resembles Starfleet design, though I don't have one in _STO_ . Sadly, the Eisenberg-class looks more like the front section of a cruiseliner than anything Starfleet would produce. Not something Captain Nog would be proud to command. Glad Cryptic gave him the _Chimera_ , but sad we can't see more of him due to Eisenberg himself passing away. The Janeway-class looks flat and devoid of details. And then there're the ones that look like toilets and end-tables. Why?! The only good ship designs have been designed on things that already existed. They even took four designs directly from _STO_ for _STP_ .
@@BNuts Season 2 of Star Trek Picard had some amazing ship designs...it looks like the designers learned from their mistakes in the finale of Season 1 STO mostly makes pretty good ship designs, they feel like something from Star Trek and you got an idea why they were designed in that way I still don't get what advantage you got from separated ship parts and huge holes in the saucer section P.S: Yes, as a Star Trek fan I'm triggered by STD with those abomniations they call ships (the only one I can live with it is the Kirk-Class)
Compare this "scene" with something similar, say the battle at the end of Yesterday's Enterprise or the final scene in "The Jem Hadar." The latter was only 6 ships, 3 Jem Hadar fighters and then a galaxy class Odyssey and a couple Runabouts. You knew exactly what was going on, you knew it wasn't going well and the stakes were unbelievablely stark especially seeing that fighting Kamikaze a ship class we fell in love with for 7 years and had survived unimaginable other obstacles. There were stakes, subtext and a literal real impact of that moment and in the characters response to it. Compare that shocking moment to...whatever the hell this lifeless thing is...
"The Jem Hadar" was a shitty episode combatwise. Somehow runabouts were more effective at blocking and fighting those fighters than a galaxy class was...and the galaxy class was landing its phaser shots. They can pierce through shields? THEN THE RUNABOUTS SHOULDA DIED INSTANTLY WHEN HIT!
@@Cerbyo tbf, the runabouts weren't even close to a threat at that time, so it's likely the Jem'hedar didn't bother trying to take them out, and focused more on the Odyssey. Plus, they were sending a message. They could've stomped the shit out of the Odyssey before it jumped into warp, easily. The suicide run was just an exclamation point on it. It not only sent a message to Starfleet, but it also sent a message to the viewer, that the Dominion wasn't gonna be like the other villains in Star Trek.
My favorite genre of RUclips comment: Someone uploads a compilation video of about six different scenes edited together with most of the dialog trimmed out. Then people reply complaining about how they don't know what the heck is going on (because all the context has been stripped out). Did you know the original Star Wars had less than twenty minutes of SFX shots? Imagine editing the film down to that and trying to make sense of what the hell was going on. 😂
I really do like the design of the HQ, it's unique IMO. It also makes sense to have decks work independently because you can just transfer bridge command to another deck if the bridge was destroyed. And, if you spin those.. spinals? Fast enough, it could provide some cover against enemy fire. Plus, it would make sense to quickly move the HQ out of the way in case of emergency. My only grudge is that this HQ is wayy too small if it ever wants to be an actual HQ.
Thank God I found the normal people, I saw a similar video earlier today and the comment section was filled with people saying this show was the greatest iteration of star trek of all time, I literally threw up in my mouth a little reading some of them.
It's weird how the ships look so futuristic that they are not even believable, yet the shuttle craft looks only slightly newer than the shuttlepods from Enterprise.
Because shuttlecraft need to maximise internal space as they're designed to fit in shuttlebays, and one of the more space-efficient shapes is a box. Meanwhile starships don't really have to fit in other things (apart from maybe Starbases) so they can be much less space-efficient, and the designers can just scale up the entire design if they need more internal space.
The HQ would be unstoppable at that point lol. Imagine trying to wipe out a group the power of a galaxy-spanning nation, when it can instantaneously move itself at the blink of an eye. .. Actually, there's no reason why they shouldn't do that, now that they completed the second Spore Drive design.. Hopefully season 5 makes some kind of drawback or such that tells us why the Federation wouldn't just litter their starships from this point forward with Spore Drives.
@@augustjsb What I meant was season 4's next-gen drive enabled bypassing this problem. It's why the showrunners were talking about how season 5 sees the end of warp travel because the fleet mass-adopts the spore engine.
Discovery has the worst portrayel of space. Utterly ugly and cluttered. Space is a vast, and wonderful place yet they make it feel small and indisposable. Every single inspirational element from TNG, from the beautiful visuals of what was pioneering cosmology at the time, to the resource limitations of Star Fleet in DS9, the world that was built in this IP, has been lost with this show. Completely lost.
Can y'all put some more of that Chromatic Aberration on there plz. I don't think there's enough of it yet :V God these visuals hurt to look at, fire whomever is in charge of them please. I mean it won't save the overall quality of the show but heh, it's something lol
Orbital mechanics, also known as astrodynamics, is the application of ballistics and celestial mechanics to the practical problems associated with the movement of rockets or another spacecraft. The motion of objects is usually calculated from Newton's laws of motion and the laws of universal gravity. His ship morphs
If they can have human site to site transporters, then why not have them on ships? The technology in this age seems to be so ridiculously advanced that they should have inter-galactic transporter gates now or some other forms of travel that does not involve shuttle crafts.
It's because they want to have dumb individual moments of advanced technology that show they're in the future, but they also don't want to rewrite the entire god damn universe. They still want to have their big dumb space action even if none of it makes sense with this future tech.
You're right Scotty invented the transwarp transporter in the late 24th century....Khan demo it into darkness. You'd think by the 32nd century they would make leaps and bounds on it
@@joeswanson733 And didn't they rediscover T'kon and Iconian gateways? Surely they found a stable and reliable way to produce Omega Particles to power it all by the 32nd century.
Don't know about anyone else but I genuinely forgot everything I watched when it finished, not a single thing I could recall. It was just a mess of quick cuts
No space battles or anything interesting happened the entire season , it took them 1 season to determine that species 10c was controling the DMA and then stop them
It was basically The Motion Picture serialized version only even more boring and somehow ended with Arivall mixed with Mass Effect but only worse and lol Vulcan President finding a moment and saying, by the way, I am telepathic lol, and Stacy Abrams arriving as earth president that was even funnier and interesting :D
I love the fact that less than 2 minutes of space action scenes in a 1-hour episode supposed to be the climax of an entire season is still excessive to some people.
This... Isn't Star Trek. It's isn't Star Wars, it's not even The Last Starfighter. I don't know what this is. It's a visual mess with impractical ship design and function as well as just... Stuff flying around. If this was in any other science fiction show or movie it would still be a bad, ugly, confusing mess.
Sees a short 1 minute clip out of context and starts making wild assumptions about the whole show. Sure, we’re the snowflakes, not the people who get worked up and start crying in the comments when ‘their’ show doesn’t cater to their fragile ego.
so this thing that is over 4LJ in diameter, comes close to earth, and asteroids hit an energy shield? so all of the outer planets have been destroyed? what happened to the orbits of our solar system? was asteroids the only effect? wtf is happening?
1:14 Doesn't matter what happens after this point. Earth is facing a mass extinction event. Besides since the DMA mass is so great, its mere presence has at least disrubted either the Ort cloud, the asteroid belt or the obit of the solar system around the Milky Way galaxy at best. At worst the orbits of the planets in the Solar System, with some beining spun out into interstallar space, with other sent on a intercept course with Earth or the sun.
@@Theonevidz They're evacuating because if they can't stop the DMA in time. It's only going to get worse. It's alr destroyed a planet, a space-station and an asteroid colony
i love how you turned the best aspect of Season 4 that is focusing on the dialogue into something to nitpick again by making it seems like action was promised. You are a misleading content creator and very biased at it. You are feeding toxicity among the fanbase and don't even take your actions into account as judging from the comments from your entire video library are just of mindless individuals ready to bash their head the second they see something they don't agree. What a great way to appreciate the message of star trek.
Does anyone know what the fuck I'm supposed to be looking at? My eyes see something, but my brain is like "thank you for your service, now I need to go purge this from my memory."
@@The_Mighty_Fiction I know what you're implying. Yes it's an evacuation of earth from asteroids, and you're correct. It does take place all over the screen. Not sure where else it could take place considering you need a screen to watch it.
It's scenes like this that I'm convinced that there's at least one decent writer/ideas person in STD. A ship that can re-arrange itself on the fly and a space station that can move like a ship and individual decks can seperate themselves off and jump away are awesome sci-fi concepts. Unfortunately they're in STD.
Pretty sure it's more case that the special effects team are talented artists. Get given garbled notes trying to do best they can which results in some weird shit.
With all that tech... ... why don’t they just move Earth?? ... or just move the Sun... (so goes earth)... Didn’t they move the Wandering Earth with just 2061 tech..? STD is like 1000 years into the future...!
All the comments about this being a space battle. IT ISN'T. It's federation ships gathering for a rescue mission. Obviously none of you actually watched the thing in context.
What am I even looking at here? Who's fighting who? Are they even fighting?! Why did that giant coffee table blow up that asteroid!? Why did the giant egg whisk disappear when it entered the solar system, only to reappear surrounded by other kitchen appliances?
And Space Jesus Micky Spock will need to, not just to save the Galaxy, but the Universe, probably ascend to some higher level of existance or something because "she's the only one that can do it" xD
when i was growing up with the space battle that star trek gave me i was like soo hyped.... DS9 delivered that... i was hoping with the improvement of technologies and talented CGI artist it would be even more awesome... but now the space battles im getting so dizzy and ugh... to much flares and hapening on screen i dont make head or tales on what is happening lol
How is Deck 29 so large AND in the middle of the USS Whisk like that? I wish this show would grow a pair actually kill off a character or two instead of always bringing them back for a contrived happy ending.
All this CGI and building up of tension all falls flat because there are no bad consequences whatsoever. We never see shots of the Earth surface actually getting damaged or people actually getting injured. It was boring as hell when all bad things (the general’s death, book’s death, the spore drive being damaged and Earth getting hit with massive chunks of debris was all undone within mere seconds.
I don't even understand what's going on, _if_ there's anything going on? Honestly can't tell, it's so dark and blurry. That best not have been the quality of the original broadcast, because if so, everyone from the producers on down should get a refund.
remember when Trek had distinct sound design? Even accounting for the differences between the eras and factions, it was still instantly recognisable. Now it's all metallic clangs and alien farts set to generic orchestral drama. Take away the saucers and combadges and what is left exactly?
This shitshow is already wrapping up Season 4? Seriously are they siphoning profits from other shows and movies to fund this? The viewership is too low to sustain a show, particularly Star Trek.
01:20 That's the most obnoxious ship, it's so dumb. Pretty sure that's recycled footage from some asteroid dodging from a previous episode? idk.. the action scenes in this show look the same anyway. "the orbs will capture us again will if we don't keep changing our astrodynamics".....sir say the stupid line next time with some more conviction when the ship does a flippy flip. -_-
I don't think this is necessarily bad ship design or physics. space is a vacuum..the idea we can rethink how things might move and how geometry works is cool. My big problem is that these scenes didn't add to the plot or what was actually going on. If in TNG the enterprise could do all these manouvers...it would have factored into the plot. Everytime the enterprise got some kind of propulsion or cloak or molecular system to make it move crazy...it was integral to how a problem was solved. In discovery tho....theres none of that! iTs just eyecandy for commercials and ads. None of these future designs or systems impacted how they solved problems.
“What am I looking at?”
“I have absolutely no fucking idea.”
😂😂😂
Filmmakers nowadays seems to have forgotten the no. 1 rule of filmmaking: The visuals need to clearly contribute to the plot and should help the audience understand what's going on. Instead everything looks like a video game with lense flares, flashes and explosions everywhere which might be fun to design as a visual artist. But it is just vertigo-inducing and confusing to watch.
Perfect words.
Video games make more sense than this nonsense.
@Idazmi7 bingo
@@Idazmi7 I've played abstract vidyooooogames that had action, and I knew what Hell I'm looking and understood what they meant. Watching this garbage the ships are crap incomplete modernist art pieces, a paper plate was saved by another paper plate, destroying rocks, with a nonsensical space shield having no logical sense where the shield is generated- it is dangled keys to a dumb child. There is no geometry that makes a complete art, even if the ships were done in a weird abstract way, all just ass that not even a half that could be found in the room.
I'd rather check out SF I haven't even watched yet, than this insanity. I'm reading more into Legends. But that's just the beginning. I can't wait to get to Andromeda and Farscape!
Secret Hideout writers: Okay, this scene needs a space battle. Special effects guys, do your stuff.
Special effects guys: Well, what's going on in the battle? What is the narrative for it?
Secret Hideout writers: It's a space battle...in space.
It's not even a battle. They are fighting rocks. In space.
Corridor digital probably wouldn't work on discovery as the narrative for discovery is so poor at about the grade level of a 5 year old and I think 5 year olds would get bored of discovery
@@halohaalo2583 Wow, seriously?
All that dramatic music and "this is IT!" and they're playing "Asteriods".
Another funny part is where Book(?) changes into his ship and talks. I guess they couldn't be bothered to flash to a bread interior shot.
I dunno, I don't watch it. I only know about Discovery from Doomcock and Major Grin.
Writers: whatever bro. Just make sure everything glows.
@@jimjam51075 I'm grateful for their sacrifice: watching that stuff and making videos that remind me *not* to watch it.
I wish they went back to how trek looked in the 90s, yes space battles where slow but the ship felt like it had weight (I know odd to say that in space, so i hope you know what I mean) and something to be said where less can sometime be more impactful, fast space battle I always felt had less impact to slower batter like in Wrath of Khan.
Ita not just you since jj abrams ships in trek got turned into fighters
Just say mass instead of weight.
Damn right!
No I agree, ship combat in Star Trek (ignore dominion war) was always about capital ships fighting to the end. JJ turned everything into star fighters….
I completely agree, I have been saying this since this alternate Trek came out in 2009. Even in battles such as Sector 001 you were able to make individual ships out with detail. I also miss the intelligence in how different departments communicate and you see tactics unfold- the undiscovered Country for one example. These hacks know nothing
"What am I looking at, Lieutenant?"
Yeah I have no idea either. Can you like, calm the camera down, and turn off the lens flare generator? Oh and FOCUS.
Damn lens flares
@@joeswanson733 lens flares and that 'in and out shaky shaky zoom zoom' school of film production really needs to die out already
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That's the point, its complete chaos, as it would be if you had a shit load a debris heading towards a planet while trying to evacuate as many people as possible.
@@brefasdra Ok it being chaos for the characters doesn't mean it should be chaos for the viewers. The viewers need to be able to clearly tell what's going on. We've seen desperate evacuations both in star trek and other sci fi plenty of times before and we could properly understand what was going on purely off visuals. Here it's a jumbled mess.
@@War450 I dont recall any desperate planet wide evacuations (where you have a few hours to save as many as possible) meanwhile you have all that debris (that you are also trying to mitigate as best as possible) flying towards you, the planet and other evacuation craft in ST or other SciFi.
That sequence gives you some of the chaos and confusion the characters would be feeling in that situation as opposed to be .
To be watching it from 100,00km away would be like ok yeah they are just getting people out, not big deal.
0:42 Love how random chunks of the station can warp without nacelles or any design elements whatsoever indicating a warp core because fuck it everything can warp now. Next season even people will have personal warp drives to go with their personal transporters that they forget to use when they are in trouble.
its the HQ of the federation. Thats the least i'd expect.
Hold up, that was a space station? Wouldn't that make it a large space ship than?
I don't see a problem with that, since it's so far in the future. It would be like a Viking seeing a modern navy ship and wondering how it moves without sails. The problem is that all the other warp ships still do have nacelles.
If they end up with personal warp drives I'll watch that episode.
@@bl8danjil supposed to be pretty large yes...the scale doesn't work out though, not with them calling that big chunk "deck 29" or whatever they said
When your spaceship looks like some kind of kitchen utensil...
A blurry shapeshifting kitchen utensil.
WHISKS … INNNNN …. SPAAAAACCCCEEE!
# When you have a problem, yooou must whisk it... #
Scrambled eggs anyone?
Fun fact: Many designs in ST was based on domestic utensils...
But the antecessors remembered to ad details to then.
I usually tended to get excited for space battle/action scenes. This elicits no emotional response from me except slight nausea due to the abhorrent visuals.
It's generic that's why
Seemed like it was trying to be clever but just turned out shit. These are not talented people.
Execution is decent, better than previous seasons; concept are still variations on trash
Poor stories. Bad writing. Bad agenda
Star Trek has failed, watch The Expanse instead.
The arrival of the Mitchell is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while
Even with inferior CGI B5 battle sequences were better.
I prefer battle scenes from any of the other older trek shows
I was just thinking the same thing. Considering that was decades ago and rendered on 24 networked Amiga computers.
It is indeed quite remarkable how the entertainment value / quality of space battles has taken a giant leap backwards. The CG guys from B5 look at this and have a chuckle. I'd love to see a video of their reactions to it.
I’m reworking my way through B5 at the moment and was thinking the same thing.
At least in B5 you knew exactly what was going on in every battle and every scene was in service of the plot. Not just some random bullshit for the sake of random bullshit.
The CG may be crude but I defy you to watch "Severed Dreams" where the EA goes toe-to-toe against the now independent B5 and tell me that isn't an absolutely perfect synchronized use of acting and showing the battle itself.
I miss the TOS space battles, like the Balance Of Terror episode, which was like a destroyer seeking a U-boat submarine, or any encounter with a Klingon battlecruiser...
I don't get why the asteroids move like in one direction and then moves in the other after the DMA is turned off. Wouldn't they just continue int he same direction? Also why aren't they on the side of Earth away from the incoming asteroids to do their evacuation, and blasting away the rocks with their defense platforms?
The 10c were cleaning up their mess
Why are they even there manning the station?
Hard to say which ship is more ridiculous.
They all look like blobs you see on those psychologist papers to test your sanity
My vote is on the toilet ship and accompanying toilet seat ship, but I must say I'm nearly convinced it's this space whisk that can apparently separate into sections that warp away for some reason.
Not one good design after they jumped to the future. At least there were some cool, if anachronistic, ships in the first two seasons.
@@richardb6260 Eh, the Kirk-class at least resembles Starfleet design, though I don't have one in _STO_ . Sadly, the Eisenberg-class looks more like the front section of a cruiseliner than anything Starfleet would produce. Not something Captain Nog would be proud to command. Glad Cryptic gave him the _Chimera_ , but sad we can't see more of him due to Eisenberg himself passing away. The Janeway-class looks flat and devoid of details. And then there're the ones that look like toilets and end-tables. Why?! The only good ship designs have been designed on things that already existed. They even took four designs directly from _STO_ for _STP_ .
@@BNuts Season 2 of Star Trek Picard had some amazing ship designs...it looks like the designers learned from their mistakes in the finale of Season 1
STO mostly makes pretty good ship designs, they feel like something from Star Trek and you got an idea why they were designed in that way
I still don't get what advantage you got from separated ship parts and huge holes in the saucer section
P.S: Yes, as a Star Trek fan I'm triggered by STD with those abomniations they call ships (the only one I can live with it is the Kirk-Class)
Compare this "scene" with something similar, say the battle at the end of Yesterday's Enterprise or the final scene in "The Jem Hadar."
The latter was only 6 ships, 3 Jem Hadar fighters and then a galaxy class Odyssey and a couple Runabouts.
You knew exactly what was going on, you knew it wasn't going well and the stakes were unbelievablely stark especially seeing that fighting Kamikaze a ship class we fell in love with for 7 years and had survived unimaginable other obstacles.
There were stakes, subtext and a literal real impact of that moment and in the characters response to it.
Compare that shocking moment to...whatever the hell this lifeless thing is...
It's not a battle. It's an evacuation.
Even with a lot of ships you can make good fight scenes, like in The Orville
"The Jem Hadar" was a shitty episode combatwise. Somehow runabouts were more effective at blocking and fighting those fighters than a galaxy class was...and the galaxy class was landing its phaser shots. They can pierce through shields? THEN THE RUNABOUTS SHOULDA DIED INSTANTLY WHEN HIT!
@@Cerbyo tbf, the runabouts weren't even close to a threat at that time, so it's likely the Jem'hedar didn't bother trying to take them out, and focused more on the Odyssey. Plus, they were sending a message. They could've stomped the shit out of the Odyssey before it jumped into warp, easily. The suicide run was just an exclamation point on it. It not only sent a message to Starfleet, but it also sent a message to the viewer, that the Dominion wasn't gonna be like the other villains in Star Trek.
My favorite genre of RUclips comment: Someone uploads a compilation video of about six different scenes edited together with most of the dialog trimmed out. Then people reply complaining about how they don't know what the heck is going on (because all the context has been stripped out).
Did you know the original Star Wars had less than twenty minutes of SFX shots? Imagine editing the film down to that and trying to make sense of what the hell was going on. 😂
I really do like the design of the HQ, it's unique IMO. It also makes sense to have decks work independently because you can just transfer bridge command to another deck if the bridge was destroyed. And, if you spin those.. spinals? Fast enough, it could provide some cover against enemy fire. Plus, it would make sense to quickly move the HQ out of the way in case of emergency.
My only grudge is that this HQ is wayy too small if it ever wants to be an actual HQ.
That white flying thing reminded me of the Ivory Tower in The NeverEnding Story LOL.
Its federation HQ
@@connormachin151 What a joke.
Me too😂 I'm one of the only people I think that likes the design. Its like a Zaha Hadid structure in Space
Thank God I found the normal people, I saw a similar video earlier today and the comment section was filled with people saying this show was the greatest iteration of star trek of all time, I literally threw up in my mouth a little reading some of them.
Well, it is the greatest iteration of Star Trek of all time! Now go brush your teeth before you eat the turkey 😂
It's weird how the ships look so futuristic that they are not even believable, yet the shuttle craft looks only slightly newer than the shuttlepods from Enterprise.
Because shuttlecraft need to maximise internal space as they're designed to fit in shuttlebays, and one of the more space-efficient shapes is a box. Meanwhile starships don't really have to fit in other things (apart from maybe Starbases) so they can be much less space-efficient, and the designers can just scale up the entire design if they need more internal space.
To clear up a possible confusion about where were United Earth Defence Force vessels, you can see them in the background if you watch closely
They're not doing much
What are those spaceships visuals for ants?
Great acting job there, Mr admiral spaceman. I could really feel the way you ratchet up that tension!
So shuttles Earth uses are the same shuttles the Federation uses? When the Earth Defense fleet had their own design style.
Those were the federation shuttles
Weellll considering that the Federation was on earth only 100 years prior dumba**
Love the nod, at very end, to the original Sci-fi trolls, RedLetterMedia.
Redlettermedia is awesome
@@joeswanson733 Rich Evans is a funnier character than we've ever had before. If we can just get Rich working.
what is it with ricks
Was that my standup mixer's cream whipper because I've been looking for it for days. I was wishing for some whipped cream.
I love this weird freaking federation HQ. It should get itself a spore drive and it'd be absolute unit.
The HQ would be unstoppable at that point lol. Imagine trying to wipe out a group the power of a galaxy-spanning nation, when it can instantaneously move itself at the blink of an eye.
.. Actually, there's no reason why they shouldn't do that, now that they completed the second Spore Drive design.. Hopefully season 5 makes some kind of drawback or such that tells us why the Federation wouldn't just litter their starships from this point forward with Spore Drives.
@@Soulindex they still need a navigator
@@augustjsb The entire point of the "next gen" Spore Drives is that they don't.
@@Soulindex Yeah, It was the only problem they still couldn't get around. It's why it wasn't installed into the entire fleet.
@@augustjsb What I meant was season 4's next-gen drive enabled bypassing this problem. It's why the showrunners were talking about how season 5 sees the end of warp travel because the fleet mass-adopts the spore engine.
Because of excessive use of lens flares I can't see the action. Sometimes even shape of ships cannot be clearly visible because of that
Gotta hide the bad ship designs somehow.
Discovery has the worst portrayel of space. Utterly ugly and cluttered. Space is a vast, and wonderful place yet they make it feel small and indisposable. Every single inspirational element from TNG, from the beautiful visuals of what was pioneering cosmology at the time, to the resource limitations of Star Fleet in DS9, the world that was built in this IP, has been lost with this show. Completely lost.
And the spore drive kind of took the fun out of it too. Zip zap zippity
Star Trek for people with no attention span
Can y'all put some more of that Chromatic Aberration on there plz. I don't think there's enough of it yet :V
God these visuals hurt to look at, fire whomever is in charge of them please. I mean it won't save the overall quality of the show but heh, it's something lol
I feel like "change our astrodynamics" is the equivalent of Q's "Change the gravitational constant of the universe."
I have a bad feeling it's a technobabble word for "aerodynamics in space", which isn't a thing you need to consider, cus, you know, vacuum = empty.
Orbital mechanics, also known as astrodynamics, is the application of ballistics and celestial mechanics to the practical problems associated with the movement of rockets or another spacecraft. The motion of objects is usually calculated from Newton's laws of motion and the laws of universal gravity. His ship morphs
If they can have human site to site transporters, then why not have them on ships? The technology in this age seems to be so ridiculously advanced that they should have inter-galactic transporter gates now or some other forms of travel that does not involve shuttle crafts.
It's because they want to have dumb individual moments of advanced technology that show they're in the future, but they also don't want to rewrite the entire god damn universe. They still want to have their big dumb space action even if none of it makes sense with this future tech.
You're right Scotty invented the transwarp transporter in the late 24th century....Khan demo it into darkness. You'd think by the 32nd century they would make leaps and bounds on it
@@joeswanson733 And didn't they rediscover T'kon and Iconian gateways? Surely they found a stable and reliable way to produce Omega Particles to power it all by the 32nd century.
@@BNuts they even talked about making some kind of Stargate portal in space for starship but....it failed lol
@@BNutsthose were permanently banned for the fact they outright destroy sub space.
Don't know about anyone else but I genuinely forgot everything I watched when it finished, not a single thing I could recall. It was just a mess of quick cuts
No space battles or anything interesting happened the entire season , it took them 1 season to determine that species 10c was controling the DMA and then stop them
Yes and it wasn't all that exciting
It was basically The Motion Picture serialized version only even more boring and somehow ended with Arivall mixed with Mass Effect but only worse and lol Vulcan President finding a moment and saying, by the way, I am telepathic lol, and Stacy Abrams arriving as earth president that was even funnier and interesting :D
@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka it was boring the motion picture was more interesting
Did it NEED space battles?
@@deltadom33 yes TMP was interesting. it was thought provoking
That's what I've always loved about Star Trek, the excessive amount of pew pew pew pewpewpewpewpewpewpepwpepwpew
I love the fact that less than 2 minutes of space action scenes in a 1-hour episode supposed to be the climax of an entire season is still excessive to some people.
@@EliotMini FOR. REAL. I didn't like much of STD, but this was visually easy to understand.
Now do a compilation where the writers put an action sequence on pause so the cast of star bitches can have a random feel good cry moment.
Lol this is so true
No. That's literally the whole show.
That planetary impact looked really, really nasty! I hope Earth could subdue or reduce tsunami waves at the very least…
considering they were actively evacuating... i uh
i dont think the few million left had much hope left
I feel physically sick after watching this.
Why is star trek so weird and unfun now?
This... Isn't Star Trek.
It's isn't Star Wars, it's not even The Last Starfighter. I don't know what this is. It's a visual mess with impractical ship design and function as well as just... Stuff flying around. If this was in any other science fiction show or movie it would still be a bad, ugly, confusing mess.
This doesn't even look like Star Trek anymore....
Sees a short 1 minute clip out of context and starts making wild assumptions about the whole show. Sure, we’re the snowflakes, not the people who get worked up and start crying in the comments when ‘their’ show doesn’t cater to their fragile ego.
They start with the assumption "I hate Discovery, Discovery is the worst Star Trek there ever was, it's not even Star Trek" and go from there.
For people with a 5 second attention span.
The CGI is strong in this one, Obi Wan 😂
This new Star Wars is great!
so this thing that is over 4LJ in diameter, comes close to earth, and asteroids hit an energy shield?
so all of the outer planets have been destroyed? what happened to the orbits of our solar system? was asteroids the only effect? wtf is happening?
Star Trek: Discovery was made by people who hate Star Trek.
... for people who hate Star Trek!
or at least never watched it.
By people who'd rather have gotten Star Wars.
Made by losers for losers
@@DankReaper420 😂😂
1:14
Doesn't matter what happens after this point. Earth is facing a mass extinction event. Besides since the DMA mass is so great, its mere presence has at least disrubted either the Ort cloud, the asteroid belt or the obit of the solar system around the Milky Way galaxy at best. At worst the orbits of the planets in the Solar System, with some beining spun out into interstallar space, with other sent on a intercept course with Earth or the sun.
There is no mass extinction. It is all just a load of bullcrap. Also climate change. Get that propaganda out of your head.
Nah, Warp capable ships will shoot the asteroids, the earths longrange nets still exist as well.
@@Theonevidz They're evacuating because if they can't stop the DMA in time. It's only going to get worse. It's alr destroyed a planet, a space-station and an asteroid colony
i love how you turned the best aspect of Season 4 that is focusing on the dialogue into something to nitpick again by making it seems like action was promised. You are a misleading content creator and very biased at it. You are feeding toxicity among the fanbase and don't even take your actions into account as judging from the comments from your entire video library are just of mindless individuals ready to bash their head the second they see something they don't agree. What a great way to appreciate the message of star trek.
0:47 beats me what I am looking at.
Does anyone know what the fuck I'm supposed to be looking at?
My eyes see something, but my brain is like "thank you for your service, now I need to go purge this from my memory."
'Bay Trek.'
It's an evacuation
@@augustjsb Indeed. All over the screen.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction I know what you're implying. Yes it's an evacuation of earth from asteroids, and you're correct. It does take place all over the screen. Not sure where else it could take place considering you need a screen to watch it.
@@augustjsb That's what I said. The Earth was afflicted with a terrible attack of the asteroids and evacuated itself..
0:29 RIP to all the people that got liquefied when the station snapped 90 degrees upright
Eh, same technology that keeps everyone from turning into meat salsa on the back of the bridge when the Enterprise goes to warp.
What even counts as a deck on that station? Because "Deck 29" was like, 1/6 of the entire central structure.
It's scenes like this that I'm convinced that there's at least one decent writer/ideas person in STD. A ship that can re-arrange itself on the fly and a space station that can move like a ship and individual decks can seperate themselves off and jump away are awesome sci-fi concepts. Unfortunately they're in STD.
yes and they had no impact on the plot or show... they were just there because otherwise all of that could be happening at kirks timeline no probs xD
Pretty sure it's more case that the special effects team are talented artists. Get given garbled notes trying to do best they can which results in some weird shit.
STD is obsessed with spinning
Well, it IS a neat trick.
lol
With all that tech...
... why don’t they just move Earth??
... or just move the Sun... (so goes earth)...
Didn’t they move the Wandering Earth with just 2061 tech..?
STD is like 1000 years into the future...!
Saved me from watching it. Thanks!
1:17 mark, the scorching on Earth from the rock fragment I think is Satellite imagery of the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai Volcanic eruption from 2022
"Is this... physics?"
It's the power of math!
@@obsleet 💀💀😂😂
New Star wars
New Star Trek
Back to the Future is Biff : " something very familiar about all this. "
Don't worry, they're rebooting Lord of the rings and Battlestar Galactica too. Plenty more franchises to ruin.
30 seconds of action 3 hours of gay relationships. Discover was a joke.
All the comments about this being a space battle. IT ISN'T. It's federation ships gathering for a rescue mission. Obviously none of you actually watched the thing in context.
It's the deleted footage from 'Armageddon' and it fucking eats.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction Be careful of your evolved and elevated use of language there. Someone may mistake you for a Trekkie.
They turned this whole damned franchise into a Nickelodeon movie!
It's really a shame that the show creators could only come up with asteroids for the 10-C. Waited a whole season for asteroid impacts.😓
Huh?
Yep... thats dense ... real DENSE
I thought the moon was populated with 50 million people in the TNG era look mostly the same
Season 4?! Jesus.
That is a fugly, pointlessly over-designed ship
Looks like a toilet brush.
What am I even looking at here? Who's fighting who? Are they even fighting?! Why did that giant coffee table blow up that asteroid!? Why did the giant egg whisk disappear when it entered the solar system, only to reappear surrounded by other kitchen appliances?
I got the felling in Season 5, Earth will be the heart of the Federation once again
That's not just your feeling that's the most obvious conclusion
You get the feeling there's going to be a season 5 absent the Netflix cash?
@@The_Mighty_Fiction Unfortunateny, It was already renewed for a Season 5
And Space Jesus Micky Spock will need to, not just to save the Galaxy, but the Universe, probably ascend to some higher level of existance or something because "she's the only one that can do it" xD
@@avon_c6199 well what else is there for her to do...she has achieved feats greater than all other trek captains crews from the other show. Combined
when i was growing up with the space battle that star trek gave me i was like soo hyped.... DS9 delivered that... i was hoping with the improvement of technologies and talented CGI artist it would be even more awesome... but now the space battles im getting so dizzy and ugh... to much flares and hapening on screen i dont make head or tales on what is happening lol
It's not a battle it's an evacuation
Um, why were the first 20 seconds the hall of justice in hyperspace?
MEANWHILE BACK AT THE HALL OF JUSTICE
How is Deck 29 so large AND in the middle of the USS Whisk like that?
I wish this show would grow a pair actually kill off a character or two instead of always bringing them back for a contrived happy ending.
All this CGI and building up of tension all falls flat because there are no bad consequences whatsoever. We never see shots of the Earth surface actually getting damaged or people actually getting injured. It was boring as hell when all bad things (the general’s death, book’s death, the spore drive being damaged and Earth getting hit with massive chunks of debris was all undone within mere seconds.
Spinny spinny whooshy whooshy pew pew check your tik tok and see you next season
While I do see the advantages of a mobile HQ I can't really figure how it might be more practical than an ordinary station.
Ordinary space stations have thrusters too..
I don't even understand what's going on, _if_ there's anything going on? Honestly can't tell, it's so dark and blurry. That best not have been the quality of the original broadcast, because if so, everyone from the producers on down should get a refund.
They didn’t put people in transportor static’s like last time to save space and resources
Everything spin and spin!
Federation HQ is so badass
Do all the producers and directors of neuTrek have ADHD? Why is everything so frenzied and flashy? Also “change Astro dynamics” what the? Hot mess
yes
It's such a shame. There are obviously talented artists working on Discovery. They're just being directed by clowns.
remember when Trek had distinct sound design? Even accounting for the differences between the eras and factions, it was still instantly recognisable. Now it's all metallic clangs and alien farts set to generic orchestral drama. Take away the saucers and combadges and what is left exactly?
dense is the right word...
this thing is written and performed by depressed bunch on mushrooms.
This is awesome anyway
For all of the flying around and shooting, that was awfully boring.
This gave me goosebumps seeing the federation HQ be able to warp.
Awesome job
Maybe it’s gas.
I’m getting some serious tron vibes
I see a transformer knife and a flying knotted shoe lace..... In space.
this just looks like JJ trek but even more cluttered and pointless. no depth, no tactics, no drama. just flashy and boring.
The exterior VFX for this show are animated and rendered like it's a video game.
the U.S.S. Mitchell scene is the best in the whole episode
Is it weird to anyone else that HQ flies horizontally and orbits vertically?
This shitshow is already wrapping up Season 4? Seriously are they siphoning profits from other shows and movies to fund this? The viewership is too low to sustain a show, particularly Star Trek.
01:20 That's the most obnoxious ship, it's so dumb. Pretty sure that's recycled footage from some asteroid dodging from a previous episode? idk.. the action scenes in this show look the same anyway.
"the orbs will capture us again will if we don't keep changing our astrodynamics".....sir say the stupid line next time with some more conviction when the ship does a flippy flip.
-_-
1:21 to 1:33 what the heck is even going on?
Scary is all I can say… I don’t like seeing earth hit with asteroids
Did any of those go through the shield grid?
Unfortunately no 😆
I don't think this is necessarily bad ship design or physics. space is a vacuum..the idea we can rethink how things might move and how geometry works is cool. My big problem is that these scenes didn't add to the plot or what was actually going on. If in TNG the enterprise could do all these manouvers...it would have factored into the plot. Everytime the enterprise got some kind of propulsion or cloak or molecular system to make it move crazy...it was integral to how a problem was solved. In discovery tho....theres none of that! iTs just eyecandy for commercials and ads. None of these future designs or systems impacted how they solved problems.
I guess it flying in to help evacuate earth doesn't count..?
If this lifeboat made it into the game im gonna lose it
Why so much hate? It’s basically an HQ not a ship
When you decide to Micheal Bay a franchise...
What am I looking at?