"Europe is closer to the North Pole, aka the garden of Eden, so we have monotheism and other cultures have polytheism, and we are therefore right to conquer uncivilized tribes to the South". Wow, good thing Inuits and their supreme Monotheism conquered North America, or this guy might be wrong.
No disrespect intended BUT... if you see history as subjective and the pursuit of definitive answers to all historical questions as fruitless, these issues look a bit different.
@@holdenennis in Poland you have people nicknamed 'turbosłowianie' ('turboslavs', probably in a similar way that 1990s Yugoslavian nationalist music that sounds like made on a toy piano is called 'turbofolk'), who believe that there was a huge panslavic civilization with polish tribe leading it that conquered a lot of Europe and was a literal utopia with people living in perfect harmony with turboslav values (basically ecofascism), who were regarded by many ancient civilisations and mentioned in the bible, until the church conquered 'Lechia' and conveniently destroyed all evidence of it
I'm still waiting to hear about the time the ancient celts dug tunnels to China, bought airplanes made by sino-aliens, and used them to fly to Venus to establish New Gaulia.
Do not worry, there already are such groups of beliefs here in Romania, just about the Dacians. From tunnels beneath the Black Sea to energetic fields in the Carpathians and God knows what inventions are claimed to be Dacian (Latin included), you can find a lot of weird stuff here if you look enough
"Hold my mead" /Russian nationalists, pointing to places a bit to the northeast/ Their linguistic "evidence" is pretty hilarious: essentially, every word in every language gets traced to its "true" eastern Slavic roots. And yes, they're dead serious. Somehow.
The idea that humanity appeared in East Africa is called "East side story" (I like science especially when you have to give names to things ^^). It is no longer the favoured hypothesis today, and has been replaced by the "West side story" which proposes that humanity appeared around modern Chad. For the record, Yves Coppens, who gave the name of the old hypothesis, helped the team who found the evidence that his work was not representative of reality. He says he is happy that we are now closer to the truth.
Sadly there's no solid evidence that humans came form a pacific place,this is why people say we came form God because God would arguably explain why humans exist but the problem with the God made us belief is witch God and how would someone be born with powers to make living creatures?
If he’s mad at the “people actually came from this place” genre I can’t wait till he finds out that according to the Mormon religion, native Americans are ancient Jews who sailed to the new world
You don't believe that ancient Jews built boats and sailed to America and that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson county Missouri? You're not a Mormon who just believes?
Considering the state of scientific knowledge and methodology of the time period, this really isn't that terrible. He grounds his beliefs in some false information that was considered perfectly plausible back then. He's just making a bit too many assumptions.
He almost perfectly mirrors History Channel tactics though: instead of logically going through his points of evidence, he'll generalise and interview other people to quote them as agreeing, not reference relevant evidence or quote people's arguments and evidence that backs up his own. There's very little focus or consistency, it shoots itself in the foot to be dramatic and keep attention
Kilves X i mean, even then, i think tigerstar is partially putting his modern bias onto his. I havent read the guys specific work, but i have read sociological works of the time, and a common, evidence based theory was that there was a natural progression from animism to polytheism, to monism, to pantheism among groups. Of course this is not exactly true, but it was supported by the going theory of the time. It wasnt even just a Abrahamic thing, it was also what they saw in parrellel in the Brahmin of Indic religions, or the parallels in buhdism. This i think is more an example of the Victorian (and even modern) tendency to try and classify and structure. Also, this is before the advent of post-modernism in terms common acceptence, so classification like these were common and not necessarily incorrect from a linearist point of veiw. We should treat the late vicorians just like any group in time and place, not saying they were wrong and necessarily biased (of course there can be bias, but dont take it as a given but as a general perspectivism of historical place), and we modern people are correct and better. In reality, thats just committing the same sin we are accusing them of. We should just say “in light of the current state of historiography and science, this is the consensus”, instead of “this is the truth”. The theories layed out here seem reasonable enough given the context of when they were made, and not taking later knowledge and trends of thought into account. It’s certainly not the hight of intellectual rigor of the day, but it doesnt seem anywhere near as bad as tigerstar makes it out to seem.
The only interesting thing to me is the idea of everyone being at the north pole, and that coming with the idea of sun/moon origin stories. Is stupid, but interesting at least
‘That’s right. This man published a book claiming that humanity started at the North Pole and this book has over 500 pages... so this should be good.’ 😆😆😆 I just started watching your channel. I love it and this is the best laugh you have given me so far!
13:30 Fun fact: that split north pole with the island at the center is Rupes Nigra, a very old phantom island described as a large black mountain in the center of a constant whirlpool. It was invented to explain the concept of magnetic north and appears most notably on the 1595 Mercator map (the one used in the video!).
Fun fact many of explorers (pre-world domination) that supposedly witness this rupis negra in fact every single expedition say pre185o to this area tells of the magnetic rock and the tempest of rushing water that surges in for 6 hours then out for 6 hours swallowing whole fleets only to spit out the debris hours later the roar being so loud it will defen all who get caught in it. But it also makes more sense with the toroidal magnetic fields tha split at the poles. I find that these okd accounts are far more truthful than anything today. You wontvfind a book recent one that has the biggest country civilization that ever occupied earth (tartaria )in it or how grande far reaching and big they and their buildings and empires were, nothing about patagonia and the 12 15 foot inhabitants that called it home, try to tell us all darker skin human brothers were brought from aftica which is bs bc even george Washington himself talks about mixing the ones that were already here and in the islands with the African ones in order to so called help with the civilisation ( reprogramming) of these peoples. Do yourself a favor and check out the orphan trains and worlds fairs and all the major cities burned down in a 2-3 yr period effectively errasing just about everything and filling them back up with these millions of orphans they brainwashed and fed bullshit whise oarents were shamed into giving up bc of the stigmas the church put forward about illegitimate children and ruining the ones who wouldn’t conform
Hyperborea probably refers to some place north of Macedonia where the amber came from... Unless you really stretch one of the descriptions "the hyperboreans have a stone temple to the sun" as a reference to Stonehenge. But that is really stretching the story beyond myth.
Now I want to see a Dr. Who episode where the Doctor accidentally brings a Bob Semple into the distant past somehow, and its treads inspire the invention of the Wheel.
6:30- Lord Kelvin's calculation of the age of the earth using this "Started molten and cooled" theory was widely accepted until the discovery of radioactivity around the turn of the 20th century, it also estimated the age of the earth to be 24-400 million years, a short enough timescale for this guy's theory to seem plausible at the time, almost.
3:00: Ah, the Hyperborean Hypothesis. It's a perfectly cromulent theory with plenty of evidence to back it up, such as the fact that it has been named and someone wrote a book about it. Oh, and Greek mythology mentions a place called Hyperborea! That is also evidence.
Well the creation stories in the religious scripture of MY religion should be interpreted to be the literal truth, while the scripture of YOUR religion is merely a collection of ancient folk tales. I don't see any double standards in that.
I would have used "Hyperborea" more than "Atlantis" if I was going to cite a Greek Myth. Though - Hyperborea probably refers to some place north of Macedonia where the amber came from... Unless you really stretch one of the descriptions "the hyperboreans have a stone temple to the sun" as a reference to Stonehenge. But that is really stretching the story beyond myth.
I mean, even then, i think tigerstar is partially putting his modern bias onto his. I havent read the guys specific work, but i have read sociological works of the time, and a common, evidence based theory was that there was a natural progression from animism to polytheism, to monism, to pantheism among groups. Of course this is not exactly true, but it was supported by the going theory of the time. It wasnt even just a Abrahamic thing, it was also what they saw in parrellel in the Brahmin of Indic religions, or the parallels in buhdism. This i think is more an example of the Victorian (and even modern) tendency to try and classify and structure. Also, this is before the advent of post-modernism in terms common acceptence, so classification like these were common and not necessarily incorrect from a linearist point of veiw. We should treat the late vicorians just like any group in time and place, not saying they were wrong and necessarily biased (of course there can be bias, but dont take it as a given but as a general perspectivism of historical place), and we modern people are correct and better. In reality, thats just committing the same sin we are accusing them of. We should just say “in light of the current state of historiography and science, this is the consensus”, instead of “this is the truth”. The theories layed out here seem reasonable enough given the context of when they were made, and not taking later knowledge and trends of thought into account. It’s certainly not the hight of intellectual rigor of the day, and his assuradness seems unwarranted, but it doesnt seem anywhere near as bad as tigerstar makes it out to seem.
@@nestoreleuteriopaivabendo5415 I just hate them because when I try to research anything Sumerian/Babylonian I have to sift through all of "oH mAh gAwd aLieNs!" nonsense.
6:30 This is what's known as the "Baked Apple Theory" of Earth's formations of mountains etc, and was one of the more persistent geological hypotheses until Plate Tectonics caught on. Basically they thought that Earth shrunk and deformed over the eons as it cooled from its first formation, forming mountains and valleys similar to- a baked apple.
I heard about this book reading about Arctic Exploration. It is supposedly what fueled both the major North Pole expeditions, and also a failed Dutch South Pole expedition. I didn't think much about that book, however, since its absolutely illogical that life arose there. Especially as a Christian this is laughable. In my denomination, he's regarded as this strange "theologist" that failed to even understand the Scriptures he claimed to know well. It is good that you made a video on this, I was actually kinda hoping for it lol.
Just wait to dig into the "2 Sicilies pre unification Golden era" hoax (like "Lost Cause" but for Southern Italy) Man, I wish I didn't. At the end of the journey I was starting rooting for the Savoy house...
As an Italian, I remember how popular that theory turned during the 150th anniversary of the Italian unification in 2011. Thye even have some small movements known as "Neoborbonic", but they're mostly subjects of memes and mockery.
Easy to shoot down theories , however it’s -pretty clear that archeologists had things wrong when Gobli Teki was discovered. Scientist and historians should be looking for explanations of how certain artifacts were made, since their stories don’t add up. Take the granite and diorite bowls of Egypt, supposedly made by a copper age civilisation, or the serapeum. The fact that 100 ton stones were used extensively and are found in the oldests sites under more recent construction of and different ilk. Try explaining those instead of shooting down theories…we need an explanation that fits. You don’t offer any
I work at a PBS station and we aired a Native American program which claimed that humans originally came from South America and migrated around the world, like a reverse Africa. I was so embarrassed for PBS, good thing they at least put an “objectionable material” flag before the program aired.
EmperorTigerstar. where does the name tigerstar come from? is it from the the Warriors book series by Erin Hunter? always been curious but have never found out. always find ur vids intersting. keep up the good work!
@@jameslegrand848: He's actually saying "the people of X" (where X is just a placeholder) but the pronunciation of the letter 'X' in English is very close to the pronunciation of Aix, which is a place in southern France.
Found you through your map video and I love it. I like archeology as a quick topic but is something I dont mind listening for hours. Looking forward to go through all your videos. I came to this video because it's the most recent and you'll most likely see my comment. I wanted to ask you about a certain fantasy map or 2 and to see your grade on it. Once I get home I'll join the discord.
Emperor, there's an institute in Catalonia called "Institut Nova Història" (New History Institute), and it has videos and articles claiming that some hisotrical figures, like Colombus or Cervantes are in fact catalan, or that the ancient civilization of Tartessos appeared in Catalonia instead of nowadays Cádiz. I think that despite not being a book, this institute can be a good idea for a new video of this format, here you have the link: www.inh.cat/ (everything is written in catalan, so translate it)
So, I have a question: is it somehow connected with Hyperboreans or...? When I heard that the theory is about north pole, 1st what came to mind was this thingy.
Yes, there is a theory that the earth is hollow and there is an entrance at the North Pole that leads to this hollow earth, based on my research there is a small sun in the center of the planet that gives light in the interior of the planet, this theory corresponds with inuit beliefs, also Hyperborea is described as being a land of constant ans perpetual sight, with warm and temprate climate, it would make sense if that hollow earth theory is true. There is a booked Called The Smoky God by William George Emerson written in 1908 of a true account of an Norwegian sailor in the 1829 who discovered the north polar entrance into the hollow earth, they saw the inner sun, and the place was a constant 75°F, they came upon a river called Hiddekkel - (the bible rivers) and met a face of Giants that resemebled the Norse Gods, they stayed there for 2 years, the giants spoke a Sanskrit type of language according the Norwegian sailor, he tried to tell the world about his discovery but he was imprisoned for 28 years and called an insane man(this was the 1800s keep in mind). It's hard to believe but I also watched Admiral Byrds footage of this voyage in Antarctica, he was flying far inland and you can see in the footage what appears to be numerous lakes, the temperature according to the admiral was around 70°F or a bit less I believe and I saw miles and miles of iceless land in the footage, I believe the Norwegian man named Olaf and what I saw in the Admiral Byrds footage, There is no legitimate evidence to disprove this theory. The more I tried to the more I found more convincing evidence. There is decoy base in the Antarctica which claims to be the south pole. When travelers want to go to the south pole they go to that base so I tried getting the coordinates for the base, the base is called Amundsen Research Base, i found out that place is actually more than 300miles away from the real pole, it's at the very rim of of South polar opening, there should be satellite imagery that disproves my claims right? No. There is not a single legitimate photograph from satellite of the poles. Not 1. I found a video of NASA space station which was about to fly over the north pole but before they did, there blocked the video so we couldn't see anything, i actually found video footage from The Russian space station called Mir from the late 1980s which appears to show a gigantic hole in the earth with white, red-orange light coming out of it and heavy black clouds, exactly what olaf described in his book, when he was entering the opening at the North. It makes sense to me now. I believe there is a cover up about this that people should know
@@harryshome4588 There is not a single "legitimate" photograph from a satellite of the poles because every time you find one of the thousands that we've taken over the years you'll say it's been photoshopped because it doesn't align with your preconceived ideas
@@harryshome4588 Oh and the Amundsen-Scott Station is located at the geographic South Pole. It's not located at the magnetic south pole but that thing moves around from year to year. Do you know the difference?
I'm disappointed that the work didn't bring up the possibility that Santa Claus could have been the god that created humankind, making them out of snow and bringing them to life using a magic hat.
You should check out "The Arctic Home of the Vedas", written by Bal Gangadhar Tilak around 1900, which has a similar theme: it says that the Aryans came from beyond the Arctic circle. The Vedas describe the homeland of the Aryans as a cold mountain to the north. (Obviously this means the most northern part of the globe, not any of the hundreds of mountains in Southern Asia north of India...) Herodotus talks about people called Hyperboreans being the origins of many peoples in Europe and Southern Asia. Apparently they lived in Siberia, because Hyperborea means far north. (Really.) Also, not sure if you're aware of the pseudo etymology of Britain coming from Brutus, an alleged refugee from Ancient Rome.
Oh hey it's that thing modern day creationists do where they decide that metaphorical linguistic ambiguities in old myths mean that ancient cultures were aware of modern scientific principles that they couldn't possibly have known about
Can you please talk about the theories surrounding African discovery of America? There is a really interesting theory surrounding African looking stone heads in the Americas. It’s pretty interesting and I can’t really find anything online that refutes the arguments.
There have been speculative theories about a Chinese and a Norse origin of the Olmecs too, only based of some features of their sculptures. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec_alternative_origin_speculations
Btw, about Atlantis and Atlas. According to the story, the Atlas after whom Atlantis was named wasn't the titan Atlas but their first king who was the son of Poseidon and a mortal woman. Overly Sarcastic Productions has a nice video on the Atlantis legend. ruclips.net/video/LXOyw-csJoE/видео.html
Regarding "One of the most interesting and pathetic passages to be found in all literature..." I believe Warren was using an older usage of pathetic to mean "having pathos." I don't think he was meaning to dunk on Columbus, alas. It's funny, it seems like every pseudohistorian out there either sees Columbus as a hero or wants him to have been pre-empted in his most famous achievement by every civilization in Eurasia...
I have a strong believe that there was a Game at some point, where you just oint at a random spot on the world map and try to justify a theory supporting that humanity originated from there. Otherwise I can't explain how people thought Humans originated from a continent in the Pacific, Lemuria or the North Pole.
I'm NOT claiming this guy was right by any means, but I can kind of see where hes coming from. Like...if in his perspective, the land once known as Doggerland could be considered close enough to the north pole? Lol idk. Just thinking I could see someone making sense of the bible using someplace lost like Doggerland. It kind of fits with the flood story, albeit it did take some time...I'm also putting myself in an ignorant perspective to try and see wheres he coming from with all of this so...lol Edit: ok I'm not even 8 mins in and I'm really thinking this is mix of continental drift and Doggerland. In N Canada, sorry, I only know if as Shipwreck bay? Or cove? Not sure but its like the most northern tip, and it's also where we can find the worlds oldest rocks and fossils. I see him taking all of this evidence and just sort of cramming it all together to fit some "puzzle" he created in his head.
I'm not sure if this is bad history. Given the state of science and history at the time his guess was as good anyone else's. Noone was looking at Africa then. I mean, Isaac Newton was into alchemy and demonology
2:20-2:55 What about Jacques Cinq-Mars and his discoveries at Bluefish Caves? He found evidence of NA Human habitation before the Clovis culture and his fellow academics ridiculed and ostracized him until very recently, when he was in fact validated. All because they held the Clovis First hypothesis as dogma.
Isn’t a work that’s part of the “people actually came from somewhere else” genre basically just a disingenuous reframing of a founding myth as history?
I think the lesson to lern for all of us is that our believes and trusts are not undoubtable. The idea of objectivety (as this example shows) is flawed, since humans are limited in their abilities. The concept of ,,perfection" exists in our imagination as judgement but not actually as an universal understanding.
ETS made more wild claims from pure head canon than the author he was trying to refute did. "Atlas was from the west"- these kinds of things need citations bud.
Atlantis clearly is the eye of the Sahara. The nearby mountains are named after an ancient king "Atlas mountains". Atlas is said to hold the earth on his shoulders (perhaps a metaphor for an empire) in the west (north west Africa, west from Greece). It is made of consecutive rings in a harbour. It was destroyed in a flood (images of the Sahara show clear signs of flooding. Atlantis was said to have been a fertile land (north Africa was much more fertile during the ancient period of history). I'm not saying this is 100% true, but there's alot of connections isn't there?
Jesus no... this has been debunked over and over again, we only found 30.000 y old stone tools, not a giant f city Plato invented Atlantis on the basis of the accounts of Helike and Atalante, the first one was a city in central greece, that partially sunk in the ocean ten years before Plato wrote his dialogs.
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The "People actually came from this place" genre: As we all know, Napoleon actually came from Cornwall.
Telemachos Where do I know that from?
Oh boy some deep Emporer Tigerstar lore here
And Shakespeare never existed and if he did, he was italian
Bruh Napoleon was 100% Algerian, read books stfu
Where's that? Oh it's in southwestern England.
The north pole is ice...ice is water...the ocean is made of water...life started in the oceans...dear God, life came from the north pole!
1000 IQ
@@iainhansen1047 Only big brained people can make these galactic sized leaps of logic!
Warren you did it again!
Big Brain moment
v e r y *LARGE* brain
"Europe is closer to the North Pole, aka the garden of Eden, so we have monotheism and other cultures have polytheism, and we are therefore right to conquer uncivilized tribes to the South".
Wow, good thing Inuits and their supreme Monotheism conquered North America, or this guy might be wrong.
Ah yes, never mind the fact that the gradient doesn't appear like that, and then the Sami would be lording over everyone!
@@tompatterson1548 Ah yes, a better world
And how can you claim to be monotheistic when you worship three god
@@trihermawan9553 actually, 744.
Wait. That guy knew that the abrahamic religions didn't come from europe. Right? Right!?
Thankfully you won't run out of content with the amount of fake history out there.
Not sure if sad or fun
@@fakename7901 why not both. Fun and sad.
@Aggressive Tubesock
Sure, there is no major pseudo history from black people
Ancient Egyptians and Beethoven were definitely black
No disrespect intended BUT... if you see history as subjective and the pursuit of definitive answers to all historical questions as fruitless, these issues look a bit different.
I wish this was a one time thing
Ancient Lechina empire, only true empire
I can’t wait for march of the titans and hidden colours
I know Lechia but "march of titans" and "hidden colors" arething thing i never heard of. What exacly are those theories?
@@stevenseagull4990 Hidden Colors is a Afrocentrist documentary series. If you are aware of the we wuz kangz meme, it is the stereotype of it.
What was Lechina?
@@holdenennis Ancient polish empire with borders from roman limes to Asia. Propably it has origin in XIX century joke which was taken seriously.
@@holdenennis in Poland you have people nicknamed 'turbosłowianie' ('turboslavs', probably in a similar way that 1990s Yugoslavian nationalist music that sounds like made on a toy piano is called 'turbofolk'), who believe that there was a huge panslavic civilization with polish tribe leading it that conquered a lot of Europe and was a literal utopia with people living in perfect harmony with turboslav values (basically ecofascism), who were regarded by many ancient civilisations and mentioned in the bible, until the church conquered 'Lechia' and conveniently destroyed all evidence of it
I'm still waiting to hear about the time the ancient celts dug tunnels to China, bought airplanes made by sino-aliens, and used them to fly to Venus to establish New Gaulia.
@Jasper Klee I'd help him out, but all my research was burned away. I think the lizards lords know I'm on to them...
It was all made possible by a Gaulish village's secret magic potion.
Isn't that part of the plot for space 1889?
This comment is amazing
Do not worry, there already are such groups of beliefs here in Romania, just about the Dacians. From tunnels beneath the Black Sea to energetic fields in the Carpathians and God knows what inventions are claimed to be Dacian (Latin included), you can find a lot of weird stuff here if you look enough
"People actually came from this place"
_Every poorly-educated Balkan nationalist and pseudo historian_
"Hold my mead"
/Russian nationalists, pointing to places a bit to the northeast/
Their linguistic "evidence" is pretty hilarious: essentially, every word in every language gets traced to its "true" eastern Slavic roots. And yes, they're dead serious. Somehow.
@@slavkovalsky1671 Not much better here in the Balkans.
Well obviously the garden of Eden was in Serbia because God is a serb
The idea that humanity appeared in East Africa is called "East side story" (I like science especially when you have to give names to things ^^).
It is no longer the favoured hypothesis today, and has been replaced by the "West side story" which proposes that humanity appeared around modern Chad.
For the record, Yves Coppens, who gave the name of the old hypothesis, helped the team who found the evidence that his work was not representative of reality. He says he is happy that we are now closer to the truth.
Humanity is originated from a Chad? Nice
You'd think they'd call it "Middle side story" since Chad is more in the middle of Africa, but I'm no scientist.
Sadly there's no solid evidence that humans came form a pacific place,this is why people say we came form God because God would arguably explain why humans exist but the problem with the God made us belief is witch God and how would someone be born with powers to make living creatures?
Every true scientist is happy when or if they are disproven. It means research is making progress and people are still capable of thinking critically
@@thevioletskull8158 there is solid evidence that humanity originated from a certain place, more specifically Chad. Also specific, not pacific.
If he’s mad at the “people actually came from this place” genre I can’t wait till he finds out that according to the Mormon religion, native Americans are ancient Jews who sailed to the new world
You don't believe that ancient Jews built boats and sailed to America and that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson county Missouri? You're not a Mormon who just believes?
That’s stupid. Everyone knows Jews are from space.
@@arnouth5260 With lasers
Considering the state of scientific knowledge and methodology of the time period, this really isn't that terrible. He grounds his beliefs in some false information that was considered perfectly plausible back then. He's just making a bit too many assumptions.
He almost perfectly mirrors History Channel tactics though: instead of logically going through his points of evidence, he'll generalise and interview other people to quote them as agreeing, not reference relevant evidence or quote people's arguments and evidence that backs up his own. There's very little focus or consistency, it shoots itself in the foot to be dramatic and keep attention
But at the very least he still shouldn't have been as certain of his conclusions which he should have presented as conjecture.
Kilves X i mean, even then, i think tigerstar is partially putting his modern bias onto his. I havent read the guys specific work, but i have read sociological works of the time, and a common, evidence based theory was that there was a natural progression from animism to polytheism, to monism, to pantheism among groups. Of course this is not exactly true, but it was supported by the going theory of the time. It wasnt even just a Abrahamic thing, it was also what they saw in parrellel in the Brahmin of Indic religions, or the parallels in buhdism. This i think is more an example of the Victorian (and even modern) tendency to try and classify and structure. Also, this is before the advent of post-modernism in terms common acceptence, so classification like these were common and not necessarily incorrect from a linearist point of veiw.
We should treat the late vicorians just like any group in time and place, not saying they were wrong and necessarily biased (of course there can be bias, but dont take it as a given but as a general perspectivism of historical place), and we modern people are correct and better.
In reality, thats just committing the same sin we are accusing them of. We should just say “in light of the current state of historiography and science, this is the consensus”, instead of “this is the truth”.
The theories layed out here seem reasonable enough given the context of when they were made, and not taking later knowledge and trends of thought into account. It’s certainly not the hight of intellectual rigor of the day, but it doesnt seem anywhere near as bad as tigerstar makes it out to seem.
The only interesting thing to me is the idea of everyone being at the north pole, and that coming with the idea of sun/moon origin stories.
Is stupid, but interesting at least
Next you're going to say the Earth isn't flat smh Tigerstar
How could people have lived at the North Pole?
That’s stupid.
You can’t live there because of the enormous hole that leads to the hollow Earth.
‘That’s right. This man published a book claiming that humanity started at the North Pole and this book has over 500 pages... so this should be good.’ 😆😆😆
I just started watching your channel. I love it and this is the best laugh you have given me so far!
1:05 literally just the virgin chad meme from 100 years ago
Our core beliefs on humanity, especially humans who aren't Us, haven't changed nearly as much as we'd like over the generations.
One year late but, I didn’t even see the connection until you brought it up. It’s honestly hilarious
13:30 Fun fact: that split north pole with the island at the center is Rupes Nigra, a very old phantom island described as a large black mountain in the center of a constant whirlpool. It was invented to explain the concept of magnetic north and appears most notably on the 1595 Mercator map (the one used in the video!).
Fun fact many of explorers (pre-world domination) that supposedly witness this rupis negra in fact every single expedition say pre185o to this area tells of the magnetic rock and the tempest of rushing water that surges in for 6 hours then out for 6 hours swallowing whole fleets only to spit out the debris hours later the roar being so loud it will defen all who get caught in it. But it also makes more sense with the toroidal magnetic fields tha split at the poles. I find that these okd accounts are far more truthful than anything today. You wontvfind a book recent one that has the biggest country civilization that ever occupied earth (tartaria )in it or how grande far reaching and big they and their buildings and empires were, nothing about patagonia and the 12 15 foot inhabitants that called it home, try to tell us all darker skin human brothers were brought from aftica which is bs bc even george Washington himself talks about mixing the ones that were already here and in the islands with the African ones in order to so called help with the civilisation ( reprogramming) of these peoples. Do yourself a favor and check out the orphan trains and worlds fairs and all the major cities burned down in a 2-3 yr period effectively errasing just about everything and filling them back up with these millions of orphans they brainwashed and fed bullshit whise oarents were shamed into giving up bc of the stigmas the church put forward about illegitimate children and ruining the ones who wouldn’t conform
Only truth is none of us know what the truth is
@@bradlyfrench6061 please seek professional help
Ah, yes. Hyperborea.
Hyperborea probably refers to some place north of Macedonia where the amber came from... Unless you really stretch one of the descriptions "the hyperboreans have a stone temple to the sun" as a reference to Stonehenge. But that is really stretching the story beyond myth.
It's a cool place.
From the famed writings of the ancient historian Robert E. Howard
We all know that the Bob semple tank came before the wheel
Now I want to see a Dr. Who episode where the Doctor accidentally brings a Bob Semple into the distant past somehow, and its treads inspire the invention of the Wheel.
@@timothymclean And Bob Semple crushing Daleks, LoL 😆😂😂.
6:30- Lord Kelvin's calculation of the age of the earth using this "Started molten and cooled" theory was widely accepted until the discovery of radioactivity around the turn of the 20th century, it also estimated the age of the earth to be 24-400 million years, a short enough timescale for this guy's theory to seem plausible at the time, almost.
3:00: Ah, the Hyperborean Hypothesis. It's a perfectly cromulent theory with plenty of evidence to back it up, such as the fact that it has been named and someone wrote a book about it. Oh, and Greek mythology mentions a place called Hyperborea! That is also evidence.
Yeah, totally wasn't a short hand which the Greeks used to describe the often mountainous and to them unknown areas of the north, so much evidence
Warren: mocks Columbus for claiming that Carribbean islands are Garden of Eden.
Also Warren: claims North Pole is real Garden of Eden...
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When are you going to make a video about the Lechina Empire?
I am simultaneously looking forward and dreading the prospect.
Yes. Where is the Lechina video, Tigerstar?!
Yes it needs to happen.
Well the creation stories in the religious scripture of MY religion should be interpreted to be the literal truth, while the scripture of YOUR religion is merely a collection of ancient folk tales. I don't see any double standards in that.
I would have used "Hyperborea" more than "Atlantis" if I was going to cite a Greek Myth. Though - Hyperborea probably refers to some place north of Macedonia where the amber came from... Unless you really stretch one of the descriptions "the hyperboreans have a stone temple to the sun" as a reference to Stonehenge. But that is really stretching the story beyond myth.
I mean, even then, i think tigerstar is partially putting his modern bias onto his. I havent read the guys specific work, but i have read sociological works of the time, and a common, evidence based theory was that there was a natural progression from animism to polytheism, to monism, to pantheism among groups. Of course this is not exactly true, but it was supported by the going theory of the time. It wasnt even just a Abrahamic thing, it was also what they saw in parrellel in the Brahmin of Indic religions, or the parallels in buhdism. This i think is more an example of the Victorian (and even modern) tendency to try and classify and structure. Also, this is before the advent of post-modernism in terms common acceptence, so classification like these were common and not necessarily incorrect from a linearist point of veiw.
We should treat the late vicorians just like any group in time and place, not saying they were wrong and necessarily biased (of course there can be bias, but dont take it as a given but as a general perspectivism of historical place), and we modern people are correct and better.
In reality, thats just committing the same sin we are accusing them of. We should just say “in light of the current state of historiography and science, this is the consensus”, instead of “this is the truth”.
The theories layed out here seem reasonable enough given the context of when they were made, and not taking later knowledge and trends of thought into account. It’s certainly not the hight of intellectual rigor of the day, and his assuradness seems unwarranted, but it doesnt seem anywhere near as bad as tigerstar makes it out to seem.
Zechariah Sitchin is another good option for psuedohistory. Then again I have unreasonable hatred of the guy.
As for literary entertainment, he's just awesome. His narratives are an epic on their own.
Not true, sure not. But entertaining!
@@nestoreleuteriopaivabendo5415 I just hate them because when I try to research anything Sumerian/Babylonian I have to sift through all of "oH mAh gAwd aLieNs!" nonsense.
As a fellow William Warren, this guy made my brain melt 🤣
Well Doggerland isn't a continent but could have been used to backup an idea of a submerged land near the North pole.
6:30 This is what's known as the "Baked Apple Theory" of Earth's formations of mountains etc, and was one of the more persistent geological hypotheses until Plate Tectonics caught on. Basically they thought that Earth shrunk and deformed over the eons as it cooled from its first formation, forming mountains and valleys similar to- a baked apple.
I heard about this book reading about Arctic Exploration. It is supposedly what fueled both the major North Pole expeditions, and also a failed Dutch South Pole expedition.
I didn't think much about that book, however, since its absolutely illogical that life arose there. Especially as a Christian this is laughable. In my denomination, he's regarded as this strange "theologist" that failed to even understand the Scriptures he claimed to know well. It is good that you made a video on this, I was actually kinda hoping for it lol.
Here’s an a example of bad history procopius secret history seriously screw that guy
No that's not history that's fiction The Secret History is a fictional book about Classics students at a fictional Vermont college
Too be fair he also wrote a serious history on the side that people still take seriously.
I always assumed that the Garden of Eden was somewhere near Punkeydoodles' Corners, Ontario. [Yes, this is a real place.]
Just wait to dig into the "2 Sicilies pre unification Golden era" hoax (like "Lost Cause" but for Southern Italy)
Man, I wish I didn't.
At the end of the journey I was starting rooting for the Savoy house...
As an Italian, I remember how popular that theory turned during the 150th anniversary of the Italian unification in 2011. Thye even have some small movements known as "Neoborbonic", but they're mostly subjects of memes and mockery.
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And yet they are kind of still alive
Will you cover the empire of Lechina???
His claims was like trying to say The Garden of Eden was in Antarctica.
Easy to shoot down theories , however it’s -pretty clear that archeologists had things wrong when Gobli Teki was discovered. Scientist and historians should be looking for explanations of how certain artifacts were made, since their stories don’t add up. Take the granite and diorite bowls of Egypt, supposedly made by a copper age civilisation, or the serapeum. The fact that 100 ton stones were used extensively and are found in the oldests sites under more recent construction of and different ilk. Try explaining those instead of shooting down theories…we need an explanation that fits. You don’t offer any
Nah, he would rather shoot down theories and others in order to prop up his own credibility first. Welcome to RUclips
I work at a PBS station and we aired a Native American program which claimed that humans originally came from South America and migrated around the world, like a reverse Africa. I was so embarrassed for PBS, good thing they at least put an “objectionable material” flag before the program aired.
You can find people in literally every culture that swear all humans came from their neighborhood.
Excellent video happy to see this series back
If anyone is worried about this series ending due to no content, don’t. PragerU has lots of content.
True. Israel is a fake country after all.
Only 11 days until the War on Christmas. Everyone got their Kwanzaa guns?
EmperorTigerstar. where does the name tigerstar come from? is it from the the Warriors book series by Erin Hunter? always been curious but have never found out. always find ur vids intersting. keep up the good work!
Bryan Arevalo yes, pretty obvious given his cat avatar.
1:55 "Maybe the people of Aix migrated to their modern home from somewhere else."
Can any Frenchmen confirm? :)
I don't get it 🤨
@@jameslegrand848: He's actually saying "the people of X" (where X is just a placeholder) but the pronunciation of the letter 'X' in English is very close to the pronunciation of Aix, which is a place in southern France.
Found you through your map video and I love it. I like archeology as a quick topic but is something I dont mind listening for hours. Looking forward to go through all your videos. I came to this video because it's the most recent and you'll most likely see my comment. I wanted to ask you about a certain fantasy map or 2 and to see your grade on it. Once I get home I'll join the discord.
Did he accidentally discover doggerland and think it was the north pole? That's seriously what it sounds like to me 😅
You can’t have a pseudo history book without racism!
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@@maztermonzter9764 nazi
@@caiawlodarski5339 I'm not a socialist
mazter monzter socialist. Yes they called them selves national socialist. But they are far from Soviet socialist or even modern socialist
Whoa - soundtrack from Dream Quest, maybe the best iOS game ever?? Nice one Tigerstar
when do you get to the "Aliens did it" Crackpots?
Favorite althistory genre through Paradox players is "_What if [sample entity] won [sample conflict]?_"
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Paradox RUclipsrs: It's free real estate
Emperor, there's an institute in Catalonia called "Institut Nova Història" (New History Institute), and it has videos and articles claiming that some hisotrical figures, like Colombus or Cervantes are in fact catalan, or that the ancient civilization of Tartessos appeared in Catalonia instead of nowadays Cádiz. I think that despite not being a book, this institute can be a good idea for a new video of this format, here you have the link: www.inh.cat/ (everything is written in catalan, so translate it)
lol
So, I have a question: is it somehow connected with Hyperboreans or...? When I heard that the theory is about north pole, 1st what came to mind was this thingy.
Yes, there is a theory that the earth is hollow and there is an entrance at the North Pole that leads to this hollow earth, based on my research there is a small sun in the center of the planet that gives light in the interior of the planet, this theory corresponds with inuit beliefs, also Hyperborea is described as being a land of constant ans perpetual sight, with warm and temprate climate, it would make sense if that hollow earth theory is true. There is a booked Called The Smoky God by William George Emerson written in 1908 of a true account of an Norwegian sailor in the 1829 who discovered the north polar entrance into the hollow earth, they saw the inner sun, and the place was a constant 75°F, they came upon a river called Hiddekkel - (the bible rivers) and met a face of Giants that resemebled the Norse Gods, they stayed there for 2 years, the giants spoke a Sanskrit type of language according the Norwegian sailor, he tried to tell the world about his discovery but he was imprisoned for 28 years and called an insane man(this was the 1800s keep in mind). It's hard to believe but I also watched Admiral Byrds footage of this voyage in Antarctica, he was flying far inland and you can see in the footage what appears to be numerous lakes, the temperature according to the admiral was around 70°F or a bit less I believe and I saw miles and miles of iceless land in the footage, I believe the Norwegian man named Olaf and what I saw in the Admiral Byrds footage, There is no legitimate evidence to disprove this theory. The more I tried to the more I found more convincing evidence. There is decoy base in the Antarctica which claims to be the south pole. When travelers want to go to the south pole they go to that base so I tried getting the coordinates for the base, the base is called Amundsen Research Base, i found out that place is actually more than 300miles away from the real pole, it's at the very rim of of South polar opening, there should be satellite imagery that disproves my claims right? No. There is not a single legitimate photograph from satellite of the poles. Not 1. I found a video of NASA space station which was about to fly over the north pole but before they did, there blocked the video so we couldn't see anything, i actually found video footage from The Russian space station called Mir from the late 1980s which appears to show a gigantic hole in the earth with white, red-orange light coming out of it and heavy black clouds, exactly what olaf described in his book, when he was entering the opening at the North. It makes sense to me now. I believe there is a cover up about this that people should know
@@harryshome4588 are you really serious?
@@harryshome4588 There is not a single "legitimate" photograph from a satellite of the poles because every time you find one of the thousands that we've taken over the years you'll say it's been photoshopped because it doesn't align with your preconceived ideas
@@harryshome4588 Oh and the Amundsen-Scott Station is located at the geographic South Pole. It's not located at the magnetic south pole but that thing moves around from year to year. Do you know the difference?
I love your videos. This one top tier
Just because you are smart in one topic, doesn't mean you are smart at all topics.
What is that background music called? I love it!
I would also like to know. It sounds weirdly familiar.
interesting video tigerstar. what a crazy theory.
You should do a video in this series about “The Human History Movie” by the channel “Spirit Science”
I'm disappointed that the work didn't bring up the possibility that Santa Claus could have been the god that created humankind, making them out of snow and bringing them to life using a magic hat.
No, Donald Trump is God. Santa is one of God's Saints that had elvs who made toys for children
His books could make great alternate history books
Here is link to the classroom photo at 11:15: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:School_Begins_(Puck_Magazine_1-25-1899).jpg
Warren lived over a hundred years ago, before the ‘out of Africa’ theory. So, his errors aren’t that weird
Does anyone else want to part six of the southern victory series
Stuff like this always annoys me
You should check out "The Arctic Home of the Vedas", written by Bal Gangadhar Tilak around 1900, which has a similar theme: it says that the Aryans came from beyond the Arctic circle. The Vedas describe the homeland of the Aryans as a cold mountain to the north. (Obviously this means the most northern part of the globe, not any of the hundreds of mountains in Southern Asia north of India...) Herodotus talks about people called Hyperboreans being the origins of many peoples in Europe and Southern Asia. Apparently they lived in Siberia, because Hyperborea means far north. (Really.)
Also, not sure if you're aware of the pseudo etymology of Britain coming from Brutus, an alleged refugee from Ancient Rome.
We all know this must be Vidic Warren
I truly like ur rather uncommon voice :)
What is the background music? It’s mysterious yet relaxing…
Oh hey it's that thing modern day creationists do where they decide that metaphorical linguistic ambiguities in old myths mean that ancient cultures were aware of modern scientific principles that they couldn't possibly have known about
Can you please talk about the theories surrounding African discovery of America? There is a really interesting theory surrounding African looking stone heads in the Americas. It’s pretty interesting and I can’t really find anything online that refutes the arguments.
There have been speculative theories about a Chinese and a Norse origin of the Olmecs too, only based of some features of their sculptures. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec_alternative_origin_speculations
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Btw, about Atlantis and Atlas. According to the story, the Atlas after whom Atlantis was named wasn't the titan Atlas but their first king who was the son of Poseidon and a mortal woman. Overly Sarcastic Productions has a nice video on the Atlantis legend.
ruclips.net/video/LXOyw-csJoE/видео.html
You should do one on Ivan Van Sertima
I think we just found a 500 page shitpost.
A very chilly comment. Much like the north pole.
WAIT!!! Did you just suggest El Dorado doesn't/didn't exist?!?! ☺
Next: Worlds in Collision!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision?wprov=sfla1
My god it’s Ken hamm’s ancestor
This is even more pseudo-everything, but perhaps you could do The Emerald Tablet of Thoth the Atlantean?
Regarding "One of the most interesting and pathetic passages to be found in all literature..." I believe Warren was using an older usage of pathetic to mean "having pathos." I don't think he was meaning to dunk on Columbus, alas.
It's funny, it seems like every pseudohistorian out there either sees Columbus as a hero or wants him to have been pre-empted in his most famous achievement by every civilization in Eurasia...
Dogon said they came from the North Pole.
UmU University of Waterloo Library?
A much better read would be “the arctic home of the Vedas” by Bal Gangadhar Tilek
he’s a true scholar
I have a strong believe that there was a Game at some point, where you just oint at a random spot on the world map and try to justify a theory supporting that humanity originated from there.
Otherwise I can't explain how people thought Humans originated from a continent in the Pacific, Lemuria or the North Pole.
I'm NOT claiming this guy was right by any means, but I can kind of see where hes coming from. Like...if in his perspective, the land once known as Doggerland could be considered close enough to the north pole? Lol idk. Just thinking I could see someone making sense of the bible using someplace lost like Doggerland. It kind of fits with the flood story, albeit it did take some time...I'm also putting myself in an ignorant perspective to try and see wheres he coming from with all of this so...lol
Edit: ok I'm not even 8 mins in and I'm really thinking this is mix of continental drift and Doggerland. In N Canada, sorry, I only know if as Shipwreck bay? Or cove? Not sure but its like the most northern tip, and it's also where we can find the worlds oldest rocks and fossils. I see him taking all of this evidence and just sort of cramming it all together to fit some "puzzle" he created in his head.
The north pole is a bold choice. He did miss out on proposing the humans from there to be the lost ten tribes of Israel.
I'm not sure if this is bad history. Given the state of science and history at the time his guess was as good anyone else's. Noone was looking at Africa then.
I mean, Isaac Newton was into alchemy and demonology
Everyone know that people came from the hollow earth and all over the world there are entrances to this mysterious place- what are you talking about?
Some people just have too much free time lol
Please do Robert Sepehr on RUclips. Also known as Atlantan gardens
Welcome to the under 301 club, how tough are yah?
It's been 84 years...
Bananarama is a bot don't trust it
2:20-2:55 What about Jacques Cinq-Mars and his discoveries at Bluefish Caves? He found evidence of NA Human habitation before the Clovis culture and his fellow academics ridiculed and ostracized him until very recently, when he was in fact validated. All because they held the Clovis First hypothesis as dogma.
Isn’t a work that’s part of the “people actually came from somewhere else” genre basically just a disingenuous reframing of a founding myth as history?
Please do nine years war.
I know that this is wildly unrealistic, but it would be hilarious if one of the works featured in these videos wound up being correct.
The earth was cooling back then
Source? From what I could find, the temperature was rising.
Humans didn't come from Africa, humans came from Poland.
I think the lesson to lern for all of us is that our believes and trusts are not undoubtable.
The idea of objectivety (as this example shows) is flawed, since humans are limited in their abilities. The concept of ,,perfection" exists in our imagination as judgement but not actually as an universal understanding.
Ahhh yes, if you travel north from india, the first mountain you'll come across is the north pole....
Does your name tigerstar come from the book series warriors because the cat matches the book’s description of tigerstar formally tiger claw
ETS made more wild claims from pure head canon than the author he was trying to refute did.
"Atlas was from the west"- these kinds of things need citations bud.
i thought the book would be about people finding the garden of eden
like literally, not "it was theeerrree"
also atlas didnt own atlantis, poseidon did
Why the North Pole? at least with the South Pole to have half a theory.
Atlantis clearly is the eye of the Sahara.
The nearby mountains are named after an ancient king "Atlas mountains".
Atlas is said to hold the earth on his shoulders (perhaps a metaphor for an empire) in the west (north west Africa, west from Greece).
It is made of consecutive rings in a harbour.
It was destroyed in a flood (images of the Sahara show clear signs of flooding.
Atlantis was said to have been a fertile land (north Africa was much more fertile during the ancient period of history).
I'm not saying this is 100% true, but there's alot of connections isn't there?
Jesus no... this has been debunked over and over again, we only found 30.000 y old stone tools, not a giant f city
Plato invented Atlantis on the basis of the accounts of Helike and Atalante, the first one was a city in central greece, that partially sunk in the ocean ten years before Plato wrote his dialogs.
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