Come Hang with Malice #5: Mencius Moldbug
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2020
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Is this the new Bill and Ted movie?
underrated comment, imho....
Beat me to it by 2 months
YES!
xD
This is the funniest thing I've seen all year
Moldbug lost his wife in April, RIP. Feel better dude
So he’s single?
@@stephaniestanbro671 Yes, he takes girlfriend applications ;)
You should check out the "uncle yarv" series on his blog/ newsletter
@@stephaniestanbro671 ruclips.net/video/H32jS7JBPNw/видео.html
Fuck I was just gonna rip him a new one for being a sophist. I'll wait a week
I heard him mention his fiancé in an interview this week.
Being "Right Wing" in 2021: Not wanting everything to be destroyed and some individual rights
hes been pretty open about thinking blakc people are lesser
@@cheekyqueefs Show and Prove plz
In other words, watered down and weak
the truth is stranger than conspiracy theories.
and way more interesting
"um ummm ya know like ummm"
-Valley Girl Moldbug
He says um a lot. So do I when I am doing public speaking. But when he says um um, he seems to be making a self-deprecating joke.
In our house, we call him Uminum, kinda like Eminem.
My wife laughs everytime she hears me listening to him talk.
Don't forget "basically"
Um umm.
seriously dude, lay off the caffeine or whatever
“Right is just the absence of left”. Best quote ever!!!
black is the absence of rgb. comment 666, btw
You didn't put a timestamp down nor did you say who said it...
Malice is the only one I've seen interview Curtis that isn't totally intimidated
Which is always so weird to me. Curtis is not condescending or intentionally pretentious at all.
@@shayneswenson He's just that encyclopedic; and not just encyclopedic but also generative. What a legend.
Nothing remotely intimidating about this guy. In fact, he's mundane.
does he know karate or something?
Krav Maga@@OGRE_HATES_NERDS
"My familiarity with Brazilian history is not great." And then goes on to explain 10x more Brazilian history than any average "educated" Brazilian.
Em qual minuto?
44:25@@letsrelaxwithtexts2114
@@letsrelaxwithtexts2114 all at 44:30 for whos wondering
The synchronized drinking of both your select beverages at 00:01:09 was a beautiful thing to see. That is all.
Michael Malice is the first interviewer of Moldbug to ask some creative and interesting questions. Nice!
Edit: I made a playlist with all the 2020 Curtis Yarvin interviews, feel free to check it out
went down the comments section linking to posters' accounts hoping to find a great moldbug playlist- thx MM!
"I'm going to use both hemispheres of my brain today..." I love this guy.
HOLY FUCK. I'm not kidding. When Mencius asks what the most historically accurate film you can think of is, I SWEAR TO GOD the first one that popped in my head was Warren Beatty's "Reds." 🤣🤯
So yourre saying gods exists now?
Been introduced to Moldbug just recently. I'm a "lefty lefty", if anything, and I gotta say I love how he totally sees through false dichotomies like "authorit/libertarian" and, ofc, "left/right". It's the absolute funniest how he gets conflated with "alt-right". I see there a guy who really tries to think and, well, does think. His popping in the radar and things like the whole Petersonian-Zizekian debate give me hope :D
Now, good luck establishing that joint-stock monarchy!
Giad yiu like him. I'm a right who's looked into a lot of leftist thought myself.
It's inevitable.... The corporate monarchy is coming.... The modern history of the west is a corporate banking takeover of sovereign nations and monarchies. The wealthy intellectual class who bring about a new serfdom, new religion and new society ✌
What do you think of his idea that the essence of leftism is entropy?
@@Confucius_76 one of his elegant metaphors. I think he drops it in the context of his claims that "leftism/'democracy' dillutes power" (giving individuals power, to the detriment of the efficacy of their governments and collective well-being). A lot to unpack there, but sounds right. I likey.
“Inhabit the present as though it were a foreign country”
Words of effing wisdom! Larken Rose more or less talks about the same thing with his "aliens visting earth" stuff.
Plus, I appreciate Larken Roses' midwit explanations on things vs 3/4 of the references in this video making me feel stupid af.
If Moldbug wants to grift, get him to release stuff like the Open Letter and How Dawkins got Pwned in print. I hate reading long stuff on my phone and would deffo buy them
AMEN
I’d love a hard copy of Open Letter
Get a kindle mate. You can send his and any articles to it and you can read any old (reactionary) book on public domain for free. Not exactly like reading a book, but definitely closer than reading on a phone.
Get a kindle. Somehow, amazon allows his ebooks
He's actually doing that now :)
Time stamps have already been posted but I will post ones relevant to me for my own research purposes:
4:00 the Right is merely the absence of the Left
9:00 conservative belief that the left has gotten worse/more in control
15:50 the movie Reds/John Reed (revolutionary plague rat)
20:20 parallel between "the soviet experiment" and "defund the police"
35:00 political detachment
39:00 red-pilled leftists (and their conservative transformation)
55:00 Moldbug's monarchy vs ancap/libertarianism
57:00 How to win the culture war
1:00:00 Basic, unsophisticated nature of early propaganda
1:12:00 anarchism/monarchy revisited
1:16:25 How will the Cathedral finally die?
1:20:20 2016 as an ineffectual revolution/correlations with Civil War
1:26:10 Confederates' King Cotton theory/conservative tie-ins
1:33:25 monarchies, uprisings and controlling the plebs
1:50:43 Moldbug on BAP
1:56:50 the Cathedral's ideology is a function of its structure (Oligarchy + power w/o responsibility)
So appreciate this!
Simping for e-girls ❌
Simping for Moldbug ✅
Moldug work and career > e-girls work and career
Egirls look> Moldug look ..
Thou shalt not simp.
@@tacooobelll5899 i dunno i think Moldbug is looking pretty good
Awesome guest, I could listen to this guy talk for hours. Hope you get him on again!
Ummm ummm and ummm um you know and umm
I really feel like a midwit right about now...
but I enjoyed it.
For sure, these guys read way more books than I do
Hike Malliday I USED to read books. Now there are some Tweets I can’t make it all the way through. Glad I got Atlas Shrugged knocked out before my attention span died.
Hike Malliday yes, and they can retain what the read much better than me.
Midwits can be prolific readers. They graduate from medical schools all the time, which surely requires mountains of complicated text to be read and comprehended. They still end up with a shallow intellect, relying on procedure and guidelines, offering little of value besides a prescription pad.
This. I've never bothered to read because I've never though it would be that valuable - can usually beat people in debates without it. Now I realize it's neccessary.
Timestamps for all the times Moldbug said "um" or "uhm" in the first 10 minutes. "uh", "ahm" and "huh" isn't counted.
0:27
0:28
0:29
0:29
0:29
0:30
0:31
0:55
0:56
1:08
3:09
3:10
3:14
3:31
3:48
3:53
3:55
4:08
4:09
4:18
4:24
4:25
4:40
4:54
4:55
5:27
5:28
6:07
6:19
6:20
6:24
6:26
7:01
7:02
7:15
7:27
7:38
7:51
7:51
7:57
8:24
8:34
8:37
8:47
8:49
8:51
8:54
8:57
9:22
9:27
9:29
9:30
9:37
9:40
9:50
9:58
9:59
10:00
Combined 58 times, making an average of about 0.1 (um/second).
The longest period of no um was between 1:08 and 3:09 for a total of 121 seconds.
If you isolate all the uhm's and play them in order backwards while standing on an upside down pentagram on the floor, you will be able to summon a Russian alt-right instigator to your basement.
Definitely more of a thinker than an orator. His laugh suuuuuuucks
Psychopaths are more likely to use filler words and sounds, like "uh" and "um." While many people use such sounds to avoid an awkward silence, researchers suspect psychopaths use them in an effort to appear sane
@@freethinker8603 I'm a psychopath and I never say uh or um.
So what now Sherlock?
@@demammoet I always heard it was a sign of extremely high IQ, like so smart they end up being real weird.
You guys were dynamite! Ill have to listen at least three more times to catch all the books and names mentioned. Thanks so much!
1:08 that simultaneous drinking was clean
it was epic
Indeed indeed
Gotta be you to have Moldbug.
The IDW lacks the stones.
#MoldbugWasRight
The IDW thought it was some modern saviour force but it was merely the embodiment of what was wrong with the right. A circus of a million philosophers each too busy tearing each other's ideas apart while the other side pragmatically and ruthlessly forwarded their emotionally appealing powerplay with religious conviction.
@@iamthe80s49
The IDW is just Big Mad that they're not on the inside of The Establishment.
This podcast changed my life when it came out, thanks Mr. Malice.
This is a fantastic video. I"m reading the Red Decade now. THANK YOU Michael Malice!!
Moldbug is so brilliant and open to comedy. Malice is also brilliant, funny, and so gracious. Great conversation, much to learn.
In 2011, my friends got passionately excited about the release of Watch the Throne, by Kanye West and JayZ. I couldn’t relate to that excitement until today.
the album was crap
That moment at the beginning when they both drank at the same time ❤
I hope the next one is 5 hours!
Wish I had listened to this when it came out. Smart guy and very interesting takes. Peace out guys.
Collective IQ: 300. Yarvin is responsible for a slight majority of that. The guy is brilliant.
No. He isn't. When the word "phuquen" is your go-to intensifier, you need to expand your vocabulary. He's tedious and you're easily impressed.
Both are extremely intelligent and combined probably total over 300.
@@williamsmithington3157 Irrelevant.
Opportunity to brag, 133! I thought it was 123 for years, all my best friends seem to be in the 140s so I may be smart, but I don't like hanging out with people who make me feel smart, they're super frustrating!
I just don't see it.
This is great, Now to get Nick Land on!
This. Although he's a shitty public speaker it'd be interesting. Also would love to hear Moldbug's take on Land... has he been mentioned in this (surprising) run of podcasts he's doing?
Moldbug has the most amazing laughter.
Sadly after 20 minutes of watching and just finished my 7 commerical break in the video I can't take the interuptions anymore for a deep conversation. Never had a video play ads every 2-3 minutes like this before.
just put an adblock
Fork up the 10 bucks for youtube premium. Promise it is worth it.
Just skip to end of video and restart it. No more ads
A pay money, no ads comment.
1:03:10 Witold Pilecki. Not Jewish, but an AK Home Army operative that posed as one to get arrested and thus put in Auschwitz to learn what was going on there and, if possible, organize resistance. His report did make it to the US via Jan Karski, who presented the findings to Justice Frankfurter and FDR, to no avail.
Gordon Ramsay doing Kitchen Nightmares in D.C. is a fantastic sketch idea
Much, Much more of this please!
Malice looks like the lesbian stocker at every Whole Foods.
its gotta be the hair
Poster is by Alphonse Maria Mucha, "Cycles perfecta"
Art that will never be appreciated as much as it should
Mucha! Yes. That’s it.
Damn man. Solid
Thank you MM for mentioning Bella Dodd. She also testified before Congress about her operation, anyone interested can find it on YT.
Most excellent! Love Mr Moldbug. EDIT: the art nouveau poster in the background is Mucha.
The ums are fascinating. Collection of thought.
1:56:56 Good question and immaculate answer.
"The ideology of the system is a result of its structure... Conway's Law says that the structure of any software system is a function (and reflection) of the *structure* of the organization that built it. [In Darwinian terms,] what Lefitsm selects for is _power without responsibility,_ [which is] is the very definition of Oligarchy.
The problem is not changing the minds of a huge number of people, the problem is that the _structure_ is wrong. If the structure is right, people will just change their minds. People do it all the time."
So, so true. Anyone who has joined a well-organised church structure (and the Utahns as Curtis mentioned in this stream is the perfect example) will know how it can change your behaviour, mostly for the good. There's a price, of course, nothing is free, but the structure is more organised and the collective more productive and harmonious.
This bit was one of the things that stood out to me the most in this interview. The idea that we don't actually need to change the minds of the people, but instead that they'll fall in line with the system. But then I wonder how do we change the structure, or at least how could I contribute? No matter how much I read, I still don't feel different from a pleb.
Can you put that in a tweet?
Draws parallels to Wittgenstein’s Ruler. Circular in nature.
This dude has amazing hair. Mencius' is ok too.
Hahaha
Pandemic chic
Dudes with buff lesbian haircuts are the future
This guys is great and super intellectual. My only issue is he says "umm... ummm" A LOT. It's fine. It grates a bit but he clearly knows his stuff.
He says it when he’s expecting a chuckle or reaction but does not get one.
I think he does it to indicate that it's still his turn to talk.
Ya he does, but I would assume he hasnt practiced public speaking as much as others. But man hes interesting
Its nothing compared to zizek
That the “tism” showing
That's a Mucha reproduction on his wall and there's a museum in Prague with his work!
"Sovereignty is conserved" - brilliant
Incredible that he knew about the Integralistas in Brazil, this guy is really a scion.
This was fantastic, but we knew it was going to be.
Sometimes malice looks 28, sometimes he looks 58 🤨
It depends if he's on a fast or a bulk. Ask his personal trainer (who seems to have some odd prescriptions).
His body fat changes a lot. Being lean makes your face more angular.
I love these two. Two great men.
"uhm, you know"
-Moldbug
I couldnt get enough of these
Two of the most prolific minds around right now
39:30 I like Michael's definition of a red pill leftist, but he missed one aspect with regards to Jimmy Dore... Jimmy is a bit unique in that he is one of the more purely red-pilled leftists I've ever heard speak, especially now. He's always hated the corporate media, he quickly came to hate the Democratic party on the whole with the exception of Bernie, and nowadays he hates Bernie too. It's been very interesting to watch him slowly push away everything and everyone who represents establishment. The reason I like Jimmy, aside from what I just described, is that I think he's a really important voice on the correct side of the current movement. Sure, I disagree with much of what he thinks economically and on a policy level, but I don't think it can be understated just how crucial it is to have a true red-pilled individual who happens to base his ideology in a more leftist worldview.
The only structural issue I see with what we can call the red pill movement is the fact that it is so heavily populated by people to the right which, to the average person, makes the movement all too easy to put in the Republican box, or the Trump box, or any number of the generalized right-wing subsets that individuals on the left have created to delegitimize people who don't think the way they do. Sadly, because of this, the existentially paramount aspects of the red pill belief system are easily disregarded.
With that, I think Jimmy is a very potent ally. There aren't many people out there who agree with the leftist masses, albeit incorrectly, that we should have universal health care, universal basic income, etc, but also go off on a tirade about how horrible Obama, Hillary, and Nancy pelosi are...
In my opinion Jimmy doors redpill moment was when he spit on Alex Jones.
Jimmy's a good soul and he really felt like a douchebag when he did it. I think that made him take a step back and reflect on things.
Frankly if my progressive friends were like Jimmy I wouldn't find their opinions so intolerable.
Good video. Thanks!
This video is like going back 10 years to the first year of /pol/, fringe-right political blogs, and the first handful of right-wing RUclipsrs, of which I know one still around. I call it the Garden of Eden period -- before lefties, bots, and disinfo operatives knew it existed.
Guy's a real life Robert California.
This is the first time I've seen Malice star-struck!
This conversation was much better than the recent one with Kantbot, pbuh
Moldbug said "um," 7935.8 times
Mencius "Um, Um" Moldbug
And yet he still says ten times more of consequence than you or I could in the same amount of time. The ums just make that stat more impressive if you think about it.
@@xcvsdxvsx I don''t really mind, it's just hard not to notice once you hear it. Great talk! Would love to hear Curtis more.
Just discovered you guys.... fascinating.
Always good to hear from professor snape
This is the most Jewish thing I've seen in a long time. Good show.
nrx are a bunch of Jewish autistic java programmers who think they're gonna be the Cardinal Richelieu to King Faggot Thiel. Literally fantasyland neurotic bullshit.
Yep
@Jay Bee true pretty epic comment tbh.
This is normally what most people are not aware, but what almost all the last two hundred years of revolutionary politics and society disruptions have in common.
@@MrHappy702 yeah we’re aware buddy
Great stream.
1:41:00
the technology of social control, like it or not, is getting stronger and stronger, and it becomes basically, from a physical military perspective, the military value of a human being with a rock in his hand is going down and down. that's just a military reality which tends to make the state stronger against violent overthrow.
I love the evolution of soy malice to chad malice
I cant wait for his young adult novel to come out. It's going right next to my harry potter collection.
Wow. i learn about Moldbug in The Distributist youtube channel.
Love this podcast, I just heard Sargon Akkad and settlers lament Podcast. and now I have to red The Cathedral. Malice have mor Molburg!
This is what I appreciate about the internet having been created.
The Paul Allen moment in the beginning when Michael remembered the artist name before Curtis was viscerally painful and enjoyable.
Question: You might have noticed that CHAZ CRAC is very closely modeled after Dzierzinsky's Troika's (introduced on November 22, 1917 in Russia). What is your take on it? Whence such similarity?
Is it cool if I take some clips from this? Or maybe you could start a clips channel? There's a few short segments that stand very well on their own
Art Deco? Art Nouveau, smart guys.
Moldbug is one of the most fascinating people out there. He’s the John Carmack of cultural analysis.
so good
It’s Muchs- Czech artist who got his start creating posters for the star, Sára Bernhardt
Alphonse Mucha is my 2nd cousin.
Yes, Sarah Bernhardt! She performed in the US, I read about her in American history
I agree with Yarvin how could you hate Albert Jay Nock?
The Central Committee will meet to discuss your commentary here, and the Party will decide and you will be informed of the official Party decision, with train station and train times. Sincerely, Bill, Mark, Jack
Can't fault Curtis for grifting after he got outed as Moldbug. I'll check his stuff out
What was it like to be professor snapes favorite alchemy student?
Not to be too much of a bully, but Mencius Moldbug looks like a cross between Andy Dick and Snape (Alan Rickman).
A very interesting fellow. I know almost none of the historical references he makes.
the guys are a great looksmatch
What’s the Yiddish pejorative that Moldbug used (at the pet where he called it Jewish equivalent of Ebonics)? I know I might be a bit of a schmuck, but I’ve never heard of it before.. 🤔
Can someone kindly list all the books referenced in this discussion? I want to read some
the poster is by Alfons Mucha
Curtis' laughter reminds me Rothbard's.
Reminds me of Sam Hyde
Reminds me of Oswald of Carim
ball is life
I think I might be missing the ancien régime at this point.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Either a transaction is voluntary (trade, markets, your job, your marriage), or it is coerced (taxation, theft, murder, rape, bailouts). The state employs the latter. The market employs the former. If you fear business, multiply that fear 1000 fold for the State.
Really great talk and interview. Super neat - this guy is smart as fuck.
Give his blog a read!
He does not stop saying uummm and uhhh. Good stuff but once you hear it you can’t stop hearing it.
Well thanks for pointing that out so that right away now I can’t stop hearing it.... ffs
He also laughs too much after making a point, as if he doesn’t have confidence in it.
Can you give some solid counsel on how to grift elegantly and effectively?
Hairy plotter 3: Noldus Dobby meets professor Snape
I missed the chat, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on a Heinleinian meritocratic government (essentially the one from his book Starship Troopers in which only veterans can hold office or vote). To me that seems like the least bad form of government I've heard of so far (at least for America).
What about getting votes based on the taxes paid (logarithmically, to make it a little bit balanced)
Also incentivices the Ultra rich to actually pay taxes in the US
The franchise wasn't the key component in the society, it was the education. Have any type of gov. you wish, as long as the population has a solid education.
Trevor Gardner. I agree that the starship troopers model, despite some idiots calling it fascist, is very appealing and fair. If I remember correctly however, it’s not just veterans that can vote, but anyone who performed public service. The military was just the quickest way to get there, which is the fairest way to handle such things.
@@abrahemsamander3967 It's a nice idea that any public servant should be able to vote. The reality is that that aspect of the government will be dominated by leeches who will vote for more bureaucracy in order to increase their value and power. That's what has happened in every form of government. You risk nothing by being a paper-pusher or mailman or whatever kind of public servant. Only soldiers, police, and firefighters risk their lives during the course of their service, and as such their devotion to the country is proven. Their service offers up far more than they can get in return. So it's silly to equate such a service with that of a mere bureaucrat.
That poster is Art Nouveau, not Art Deco.
Nice Alphonso Mucha in the background.