0:00 Henrok Elias. Orthodox Deacon. Appreciator of Austrian Economics 2:12 Ethiopia 14:40 Imperialism invokes predatory international behavior 36:36 The Axial Age, The 20th Century 40:00 Americanization. Archaeo-Futurism? 43:43 _The Young Pope_ HBO Series, produced by Italian Director Palentino 47:57 Confession Patriarch Antonius Awfworki- Larger than life individual. Strongman. “The Black North Korea” 54:35 99 Year Lease Land System • Beggar kids make a living selling various items in a box 59:00 Ethiopia 🇪🇹 Developing Country
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience I'm only 3 min in, but I was thinking, we could really use a 'that glossary guy' to comment on some of the words used. I would love to dig into them but I wouldn't even know how to spell them. I think it could be a big value add to a number of your videos even (I just came from your read-aloud and part-thru the Hmong vid)
@@stevoblevo that would be a godsend. maybe as i get more donations i will be able to afford hiring someone to do so meticulously. i've paid for a couple episodes of my bible study podcast to be transcribed.
I came here searching for Moldbug content and have come away delighted to have discovered Henok. Really bright and interesting lad. Earned a sub from me.
Unbelievable that you got this guy on your show. I guess he’s doing a circuit these days but he may be the most interesting man on the planet (yes I do trawl RUclips looking for more Yarvin content).
Mystery Man I suggested today on Nick Land’s blog that Curtis and him should get together on Justin Murphy’s channel - although with Curtis’s incessant y’ knows and Nick’s involuntary mouth smacking, I couldn’t help thinking of this - ruclips.net/video/fcKyWIie3Oc/видео.html
I found out about this guy receng by realizing I was reading about him in my philosophy class after I saw him in one of these current interviews. I haven't had time to fully understand Curtis Yarvin, but the course book im reading paints the dark enlightenment as a white supremacist movement.
Really appreciate the way you finished this off. The utility of religion, while not being the only aspect appreciated by believers, is apparent for those who have eyes to see it. And Curtis, being an honest first-principles thinker, sees it so plainly.
Henok Elias - incredibly proud of you for digging and learning your history though you were raised in the US. I’ve shared this with my friends. Keep it up!! 🇪🇹
I must say that I never thought I’d be listening to a 2+ hour discussion on the history of Ethiopia, but here I am, and I’m left wanting more. Great conversation, I don’t suppose you could offer any good books on the history of Ethiopia (modern or otherwise). I noted one or two during the conversation but I don’t think they are what I am looking for. Best wishes and thanks for uploading.
Thank you. Glad to provide a new angle, that was my aim and I think Curtis'. Here is ancient for free www.dskmariam.org/artsandlitreature/litreature/pdf/aksum.pdf here is medieval www.store.tsehaipublishers.com/product_info.php/history/church-and-state-in-ethiopia-p-50 here is modern www.amazon.com/History-Modern-Ethiopia-1855-1991-Eastern/dp/0821414402
The only Ethiopian history I've read is the relevant chapters of _The Fate of Africa_ by Martin Meredith. Two things stuck in my memory: 1. A relatively positive view of Haile Selassie, at least relative to his contemporaries on the continent. 2. The image of Mengistu erecting a statue of Lenin and a conference hall to accommodate the international communist elite, while outside the city limits millions starved on planned farming projects, their grain confiscated at below market prices to keep the peace in the city...
Thanks for this great content. Let's all keep Curtis in our prayers, that he may be led to ask, so that it may be Given, and that he may be led to seek, that he may Find. My sense is he's halfway there, for is not The Kingdom at hand ? Now and forever ? Peace in Christ.
Thank you for asking the last question. I had lunch w the man last week and so much was on my mind, I didn't get down this road all the way. I always found something oddly spiritual about Mr. Yarvin... an atheist I could connect with. Where many use spiritual language to describe material problems, he seems almost to do the opposite at times. I was so happy to hear his answer. Thanks so much.
Curtis got me very interested in differing ideas, i came here looking for his oppinions and ideas and found one of the most criminally undersubscribed channels that ive ever seen. Im excited to start exploring your content further. You definitely earned a sub, and deserve many more.
I hear you. What to do? make it mainstream in your own life. Cultivate the conversations with those around you. get more people who might have such conversations around you. Also, discover ways to flip the mindset. Instead of 'not mainstream - this sucks' it can be: 'precious selective knowledge - an opportunity to share abundantly with others'
for a Kenyan, this is a brilliant conversation. I've recently been interested in learning Ethiopian peoples as in my family history there's tales of Ethiopian peoples who lived in the mountains of central Kenya that there's very little history of, and it's hypothesized that they introduced circumcision to the Kikuyu.
I'm a year late to the party but this discussion was amazing. As someone who flamed out of seminary developing an addiction, there is something spiritually nourishing in your work.
thank you! if you have time, check out alef beth hebrew resources. burnout comes from doing too much at once. narrowing in on the biblical language helps.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Hey thanks for replying! Can I ask: do you stream those super long services you mentioned? I'd love to see them. And what is Ethiopian church music called/like? Is it Gregorian Chant? I'd be interested to hear some if there is
@@cinelatindream I don't stream them often, but I have a few on this channel and on facebook if you search my name there. alternatively, you can search Virgin Mary Ethiopian Orthodox cathedral on youtube for my parish, or just type ethiopian orthodox livestrea,. there are a ton due to corona/covid. it is not gregorian, it is jaredian / yaredian (st. yared/jared of aksum), with influences from Alexandria (Coptic) and Antioch (Syriac).
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience I'll definitely look for both of those. Looking forward to more conversations of this sort. We third-worlders bring a very nuanced view to the democracy conversation that many do not understand in the mainstream first world conversation.
I love history. There is not enough accessible African history on RUclips I feel. I understand it's such a diverse place but it is really driven home when you speak on the number of languages found within one state and its neighbors.
thanks for watching. I'm trying to be that accessible African history channel. especially regarding religion, politics, and language of the Horn of Africa.
This is awesome. So glad Curtis is cultivating these wide ranging conversations. Henok, I’m a new subscriber. Very interested in open ecumenical conversations. Fellow Austrian enthusiast. Love Thaddeus Russell. Loving Curtis’s work. Keep up the good work
Wow! If you're into those three, we def have a lot in common. There are some tensions betwixt them, but all have a deep commitment to erudition through the study of history, and trying to improve the world at some scale. Thanks for the feedback Chris.
Henok Elias there are tons of strange tensions but also unique overlaps. They seem to take into account the subjective theory of value, so I see a lot of conjunction with a push back against our systematizing Modernism. There’s a bit of that anarchic spontaneous order that gets voted up the value hierarchy. As a secularized Protestant attempting to live in the tension of Postmodernity, I deeply appreciate this conversation. Hope you get your throne back one day 🤣.
Love Curtis but he’s mistaken about confession in the Catholic Church. We confess- both Novus Ordo and trad.EDIT: he’s right about the general incursion of therapeutic culture, however.
Great conversation. Visited Addis a few months ago and since then my interest in Ethiopia and the history of the Horn of Africa has really taken off. Is there any subject that Curtis Yarvin is not knowledgable about? Cheers from a fellow appreciator of Austrian economics.
Amazing that an Austrian Economics fellow traveler is also taking an interest in Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa. If you haven't yet, please read the Ash Heap of History piece I mention above. It's on Mises dot org. And if you every produce any content on the subject please reach out and let me know.
I thought about that a lot. 1) i think he's kinda trying to distance himself from that as he writes under his name now 2) there's some level of mystery that is added by not explicitly mentioning this pseudonym
You do find the extremes of poverty living side-by-side with neoliberal affluence in many of the biggest cities in India. I remember when I was growing up in Mumbai, I would go to a fancy hotel to have a night out with my family, but on the way we'd see people having to go into the sewers to clean the drains (thankfully this has been stopped now). Ethiopia sounds like a fascinating country to me. Hopefully I get to visit one day!
in addition to this insight of yours, and our climates and foods being similar , the history of Syriac Christianity in Kerala, India is tied with Ge'ez Christianity in Aksum, and Gujarat, India is home to descendants of slaves stolen from Ethiopia during the Adalite, Hareri, Afar, Ottoman, Yemeni invasion of the 16th Century.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience That's absolutely true about the Syrian Orthodox Church in Kerala. Although that church in Kerala itself is a bit of a mess right now. As for Gujarat, I think you're referring to the Siddhi community, who are a mostly-Muslim African-origin community in Gujarat. The Europeans and Ottomans moved many people from India as well, to other places like Africa, the Caribbean and Suriname through practices like indentured labor and slavery. Also, I don't fully understand the history of Eritrea and Ethiopia, but it seems like their histories might be similar to the history India has with Pakistan (and Bangladesh)
Let me preface my stupid comment by saying this is one of the best videos I've seen on RUclips, your channel is amazing. This is fascinating. I just found out that Mussolini abolished slavery in Ethiopia during the Italian occupation, Salassie later removed the legal basis for slavery. 3 million Ethiopians were enslaved then. History is so multi-faceted, and Ethiopia is the crossroads of so many people, in a very real way, it could be seen as the center of the world. I love your comment that we're all Ethiopians but that we just left at different times.
thanks for the love. fascist propaganda is some of the stuff to be taken with not just a grain but a kilo of salt. that being said, it ain't all bs. broken clocks are right twice a day. ethiopia under monarchy was far from perfect, but she was better then than now, and the underlying reason was multinational order.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Most definitely. Brazil was a constitutional monarchy after its independence. During the few decades it remained a monarchy, it had the greatest freedom of the press/freedom of speech in its entire history. It was also during this period that slavery was abolished. The Brazilian republic (installed by a military coup, the first of many) has been such a massive disappointment that today more Brazilians support a return to monarchy than ever.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience I've been interested in Ethiopia for a while. It always stood out to me when comparing it to the other Afrikan countries. Very nice to hear your knowledge about it, very informative.
If y’all are interested in more info about Syriac/Aramaic/Assyrian culture check out the “Hidden Pearl” documentary on RUclips. Those are my folks and I think that film perfectly encapsulates our history.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Yeah I would say cousins is correct. After this I went on a research spree about the Afar and Oromo. So fascinating. ܫܠܡ ܠܟ
thanks for the feedback brotha. i won't speak for him, but i think Curtis was speaking in proclivity rather than absolute terms. many people take him out of context because their own sensibilities are upset. he's far more nuanced, and i would guess agrees with your conclusion.
Hi Henok, thanks for the interview/talk. Question regarding the book references, is 'The Ash Heap of History' is by Chris Morgan? Might be the wrong author next to it.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience great interview btw. I worked for an Ethiopian lawyer a while back. Fantastic guy, but I was always awed that he was here because he would talk about how his father was a legendary general. Cool to see that type of thing discussed.
@@gamersomatic5395 dope. makes sense because the communists took over in 1975, then psuedo-communists in 1991. the old guard didn't feel safe anymore. first thing the communists did was publicly execute 60 dukes.
Henok Elias Damn, that is disgusting. Hey man, if you’re interested I got a recommendation. Rene Girard’s work on Mimetic Theory, if you’re not already aware of it. Cheers and God Bless.
2:01:00 As a Catholic, let me say that what Curtis says about traditional Catholicism and Confession is not true. There are always long lines at the confessionals at my Traditional Latin Mass parish. What goes on in Novus Ordo Land, I cannot say for sure, but I my feeling is that Confession is rarer.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Hard question! In the diocese of San Diego we are blessed (not because of the bishop, who is one of "Uncle" Ted McCarrick's boys and arguably the worst in the US) there are 98 parishes: my parish has the FSSP (like St. Vitus in LA) and TLM only. There are 2 more parishes with TLM on Sundays and other feast days. If you are curious about more accurate statistics, you could visit the Rorate Caeli blog (not affiliated) and do a search for "statistics" . Fantastic discussion from both sides, by the way!
Hi Henok, thanks for the interview/talk. Question regarding the book references, is 'The Ash Heap of History' by Chris Morgan? Might be the wrong author next to it.
I think theres a way to have both. the comforts and conveniences but with an eye on history and more discipline. a guiding cultural vision instead of the decadent nihilism that people in modernity suffer from. I think looking to outer space would actually help. we need another branch to jump to. another fruit to pick.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience lol i personally, un-ironically, hope so. don't think im brave enough or qualified though. thanks. don't agree with all his thoughts but its great getting high level content. be well. i vote peter thiel our reluctant american monarch.
there is a lot to mention. i appreciate his majesty, but also don’t forget that he killed Emperor Teklegeeyorgees II to get there. many forget about him.
jewish somalia is actually pretty accurate, but you have to unpack that. bronze age pre rabinnical jewish + bronze age agew (somali and afar adjacent), later christianized.
that's true. but historic ethiopia is a combination of 5 orthodox christian kingdoms. through conquest the modern-nation state incorporated a theocratic democracy and three islamic sultanates.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Thanks for the info. Curtis' knowledge (your's as well) of Ethiopia was impressive. I knew it had a complicated history from a little research I did prior to a 2 week trip there a few years ago (birdwatching tour). But this podcast episode showed it is a lot deeper and extensive than I realized.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience ...Admire? I dont admire a single solitary sperg in this absurd banal and cynical World nor should I and neither should anyone, for there lay the ways of Idolatry.....the saga continues
1:43:00 No. It is not biologically possible. Thinking this way is the problem. The viral landscape is a perpetual and inescapable side effect of the protein folding chemical landscape. There is an organic reservoir of viral activity and cross reactivity is already built into the majority of organisms that share an ecology. This is a purely social disease, and with a social disease '0 cases' means everyone is willing to ignore it and is deathly afraid of being accused of having it.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience perhaps. perhaps. wasn't isaac newton born to 2 illeterate farmers in the middle of nowhere, almost dying of numerous illnesses? what about ramachandran? etc? people aren't dogs.... more CEO, less king. just an aesthetic thing for me. run countries like a business with citizens holding "stock", and in times of prosperity dividends flow back to incenvtivize participation and lawful behavior? get the efficiency and accountability of the king but without the feelings of subjugation/overlord relationship, and of course it should be voluntary. Should be a service provider competing with other "kings" or CEO's. fpv concept is good, although im sure yarvin would disagree strongly with it...odd he talks so much shit about bitcoin given he started urbit..
People poke fun at Brits, Afghans and American southerners alongside other groups on a basis of inbreeding. I have not watched so far yet but will just note that the discourse about inbreeding, whether historical or contemporary, is a relevant topic for most nations
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0:00 Henrok Elias. Orthodox Deacon. Appreciator of Austrian Economics
2:12 Ethiopia
14:40 Imperialism invokes predatory international behavior
36:36 The Axial Age, The 20th Century
40:00 Americanization. Archaeo-Futurism?
43:43 _The Young Pope_ HBO Series, produced by Italian Director Palentino
47:57 Confession
Patriarch Antonius
Awfworki- Larger than life individual. Strongman. “The Black North Korea”
54:35 99 Year Lease Land System
• Beggar kids make a living selling various items in a box
59:00 Ethiopia 🇪🇹 Developing Country
you have a nice and awesome role
close.
0:00 uhms
0:01 introductions ... etc.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience I'm only 3 min in, but I was thinking, we could really use a 'that glossary guy' to comment on some of the words used. I would love to dig into them but I wouldn't even know how to spell them. I think it could be a big value add to a number of your videos even (I just came from your read-aloud and part-thru the Hmong vid)
@@stevoblevo that would be a godsend. maybe as i get more donations i will be able to afford hiring someone to do so meticulously. i've paid for a couple episodes of my bible study podcast to be transcribed.
I came here searching for Moldbug content and have come away delighted to have discovered Henok. Really bright and interesting lad. Earned a sub from me.
wow, thanks. glad you enjoyed the familiar and the unfamiliar.
Unbelievable that you got this guy on your show. I guess he’s doing a circuit these days but he may be the most interesting man on the planet (yes I do trawl RUclips looking for more Yarvin content).
thanks for finding this. hope you enjoy the convo.
Mystery Man
I suggested today on Nick Land’s blog that Curtis and him should get together on Justin Murphy’s channel - although with Curtis’s incessant y’ knows and Nick’s involuntary mouth smacking, I couldn’t help thinking of this -
ruclips.net/video/fcKyWIie3Oc/видео.html
@@johnhannon8034 would love to see where they disagree and agree
I found out about this guy receng by realizing I was reading about him in my philosophy class after I saw him in one of these current interviews.
I haven't had time to fully understand Curtis Yarvin, but the course book im reading paints the dark enlightenment as a white supremacist movement.
Andrew Nevarez still pretty interesting that Moldbug would be taught in a course. Is this in USA public high school?
So glad you interviewed Curtis otherwise I might’ve never found your channel definitely earned a subscriber
thanks! so glad you like the channel.
This was one of the best talks I've listened to in a VERY long time. God bless.
thanks, and amen.
Seriously enjoyable conversation. I'd already wanted to learn more about Ethiopia and Curtis Yarvin's thought, so that worked out nicely!
today, you got the two-for-one special. thanks for watching and listening.
This is brilliant
thanks!
You're on here
Here from your recommendation
@@giraffediety2477 same with me
Really appreciate the way you finished this off. The utility of religion, while not being the only aspect appreciated by believers, is apparent for those who have eyes to see it. And Curtis, being an honest first-principles thinker, sees it so plainly.
truly. he's one of the most honest atheists out there.
Henok Elias - incredibly proud of you for digging and learning your history though you were raised in the US. I’ve shared this with my friends. Keep it up!! 🇪🇹
thank you so much. you have my mother's name.
I must say that I never thought I’d be listening to a 2+ hour discussion on the history of Ethiopia, but here I am, and I’m left wanting more. Great conversation, I don’t suppose you could offer any good books on the history of Ethiopia (modern or otherwise). I noted one or two during the conversation but I don’t think they are what I am looking for. Best wishes and thanks for uploading.
Thank you. Glad to provide a new angle, that was my aim and I think Curtis'. Here is ancient for free www.dskmariam.org/artsandlitreature/litreature/pdf/aksum.pdf
here is medieval
www.store.tsehaipublishers.com/product_info.php/history/church-and-state-in-ethiopia-p-50
here is modern
www.amazon.com/History-Modern-Ethiopia-1855-1991-Eastern/dp/0821414402
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Great list. Thank you!
@@loayamin shukran for watching and reading.
The only Ethiopian history I've read is the relevant chapters of _The Fate of Africa_ by Martin Meredith.
Two things stuck in my memory:
1. A relatively positive view of Haile Selassie, at least relative to his contemporaries on the continent.
2. The image of Mengistu erecting a statue of Lenin and a conference hall to accommodate the international communist elite, while outside the city limits millions starved on planned farming projects, their grain confiscated at below market prices to keep the peace in the city...
wow. thanks for sharing. i'll have to add that to my ever-expanding reading list. two very different systems of governance.
What a beautiful view into a real conversation. A rare gem.
thank you so much
Thanks for this great content. Let's all keep Curtis in our prayers, that he may be led to ask, so that it may be Given, and that he may be led to seek, that he may Find. My sense is he's halfway there, for is not The Kingdom at hand ? Now and forever ?
Peace in Christ.
he says he's open to w/e state religion is coming
Yay! RUclips stopped hiding this!! Thanks Henok
'twas i for a bit, not Lord YT. but you're welcome nonetheless.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience ለምን?
Just out of curiosity...
@@sickcommode-odragon4193 ሄኖክም አካሄዱን ከእግዚአብሔር ጋር ስላደረገ አልተገኘም፤ እግዚአብሔር ወስዶታልና። And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Thank you for asking the last question. I had lunch w the man last week and so much was on my mind, I didn't get down this road all the way.
I always found something oddly spiritual about Mr. Yarvin... an atheist I could connect with. Where many use spiritual language to describe material problems, he seems almost to do the opposite at times.
I was so happy to hear his answer. Thanks so much.
my pleasure! thanks for watching and engaging in big ideas irl.
Curtis got me very interested in differing ideas, i came here looking for his oppinions and ideas and found one of the most criminally undersubscribed channels that ive ever seen. Im excited to start exploring your content further. You definitely earned a sub, and deserve many more.
thank you kindly
Dude that was interesting 2 hours, thanks for the video
thanks for watching and listening
The fact that conversations like this aren't mainstream makes me want to end it all hahaha what can I do is the question
friend, please don't. there is always a loving human being 1-800-273-8255
I hear you.
What to do? make it mainstream in your own life. Cultivate the conversations with those around you. get more people who might have such conversations around you.
Also, discover ways to flip the mindset. Instead of 'not mainstream - this sucks' it can be:
'precious selective knowledge - an opportunity to share abundantly with others'
stevoblevo absolutely based
for a Kenyan, this is a brilliant conversation. I've recently been interested in learning Ethiopian peoples as in my family history there's tales of Ethiopian peoples who lived in the mountains of central Kenya that there's very little history of, and it's hypothesized that they introduced circumcision to the Kikuyu.
makes sense. we're neighbors!
I'm a year late to the party but this discussion was amazing. As someone who flamed out of seminary developing an addiction, there is something spiritually nourishing in your work.
thank you! if you have time, check out alef beth hebrew resources. burnout comes from doing too much at once. narrowing in on the biblical language helps.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience I think burnout came from being Evangelical :P
My God, your family history is amazing.
thanks. it's inextricably linked to ethiopia's.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience evidently. Just saying if you wrote that history as a straight historic or dramatised series, you have my pre-order.
This was awesome. Ethiopia is more complicated than I thought!
Thanks for the feedback. Always glad to complicate the picture.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Hey thanks for replying! Can I ask: do you stream those super long services you mentioned? I'd love to see them. And what is Ethiopian church music called/like? Is it Gregorian Chant? I'd be interested to hear some if there is
@@cinelatindream I don't stream them often, but I have a few on this channel and on facebook if you search my name there. alternatively, you can search Virgin Mary Ethiopian Orthodox cathedral on youtube for my parish, or just type ethiopian orthodox livestrea,. there are a ton due to corona/covid. it is not gregorian, it is jaredian / yaredian (st. yared/jared of aksum), with influences from Alexandria (Coptic) and Antioch (Syriac).
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience I'll definitely look for both of those. Looking forward to more conversations of this sort. We third-worlders bring a very nuanced view to the democracy conversation that many do not understand in the mainstream first world conversation.
Incredibly insightful and informative. Thank you for this! Sending much love friend
The legend Johnny Cervantes! So glad you watched and enjoyed. Getting you on the pod is a must.
This was crazy interesting.
thank you
listening at 2am, really enjoyed this talk.
inameseginalen
Loved this conversation. Henok, I'd like to see you on Paul Vanderklay's show
duly noted. thanks for watching. if you have any connections please link us.
I second that request.
@@JaxBespoked thank you. duly noted.
Good stuff Henok, I'm an instant fan.
thanks for the support brotha
I love history. There is not enough accessible African history on RUclips I feel. I understand it's such a diverse place but it is really driven home when you speak on the number of languages found within one state and its neighbors.
thanks for watching. I'm trying to be that accessible African history channel. especially regarding religion, politics, and language of the Horn of Africa.
This is awesome. So glad Curtis is cultivating these wide ranging conversations. Henok, I’m a new subscriber. Very interested in open ecumenical conversations. Fellow Austrian enthusiast. Love Thaddeus Russell. Loving Curtis’s work. Keep up the good work
Wow! If you're into those three, we def have a lot in common. There are some tensions betwixt them, but all have a deep commitment to erudition through the study of history, and trying to improve the world at some scale. Thanks for the feedback Chris.
Henok, you should really look into having a conversation with Paul Vanderklay
Henok Elias there are tons of strange tensions but also unique overlaps. They seem to take into account the subjective theory of value, so I see a lot of conjunction with a push back against our systematizing Modernism. There’s a bit of that anarchic spontaneous order that gets voted up the value hierarchy. As a secularized Protestant attempting to live in the tension of Postmodernity, I deeply appreciate this conversation. Hope you get your throne back one day 🤣.
Henok Elias if you’re ever back in LA, shoot me a message!
@@chrisyoung2179 I'm here. dm me on IG or Twitter. we can socially distance hang.
Love Curtis but he’s mistaken about confession in the Catholic Church. We confess- both Novus Ordo and trad.EDIT: he’s right about the general incursion of therapeutic culture, however.
thanks for the correction and for watching
Fascinating discussion, I can confirm Yarvin's comment on the french aristocracy to this day. We can recognize each other very easily.
That was something surprising I learned. Thanks for confirming.
I’m about 4 minutes in. When Henok says he’s sympathetic to anarchy & monarchy I have similar thoughts .
nice. and jrr tolkien.
Just started but can’t wait to hear this again a couple years after cardano
thanks for the love
Just found this channel through your Pageau interview. Very cool.
nice! thanks for following up
Fantastic interview. My new favorite channel.
thanks John
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience would love to connect just to chat/hang out
@@johnnmusic i post my socials on almost every video. please dm me there.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience awesome ill see what i can do since i stay off the socials ;)
sent you an email, thanks!
Great discussion and great channel, subscribed. Keep it up young man!
thanks frend!
Not the cross over I expected but definitely one I didn’t know I wanted
glad we can go against the grain of expectation, and please! hope you see his second appearance on the show as well.
Great conversation. Visited Addis a few months ago and since then my interest in Ethiopia and the history of the Horn of Africa has really taken off. Is there any subject that Curtis Yarvin is not knowledgable about? Cheers from a fellow appreciator of Austrian economics.
Amazing that an Austrian Economics fellow traveler is also taking an interest in Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa. If you haven't yet, please read the Ash Heap of History piece I mention above. It's on Mises dot org. And if you every produce any content on the subject please reach out and let me know.
Fascinating discussion!
ameseginalehu
Might be more productive putting Curtis Yarvin or/and Moldbug in the title
I thought about that a lot. 1) i think he's kinda trying to distance himself from that as he writes under his name now 2) there's some level of mystery that is added by not explicitly mentioning this pseudonym
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience add just 'Curtis' and not 'Moldbug' then?
@@RC-vc8pz thy will be done Russian
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience great talk btw!
@@RC-vc8pz thanks
This is so good I've never been that close to what's going on in your country!
Regards from🇮🇶
can't see the emoji of where you are from, but wherever you are from and are, thank you.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience it's Iraq ❤️ and thanks
@@ramia1289 mashallah brotha. semitic cousins.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience الله يحفظكم
@@ramia1289 Muslim reactionary???
damn man ur convos are sick and i love yarvin. ur shits sick man. im gonna be visiting austria soon too!
thank you kindly
this was so cool.
thanks for watching and listening
You do find the extremes of poverty living side-by-side with neoliberal affluence in many of the biggest cities in India. I remember when I was growing up in Mumbai, I would go to a fancy hotel to have a night out with my family, but on the way we'd see people having to go into the sewers to clean the drains (thankfully this has been stopped now). Ethiopia sounds like a fascinating country to me. Hopefully I get to visit one day!
in addition to this insight of yours, and our climates and foods being similar , the history of Syriac Christianity in Kerala, India is tied with Ge'ez Christianity in Aksum, and Gujarat, India is home to descendants of slaves stolen from Ethiopia during the Adalite, Hareri, Afar, Ottoman, Yemeni invasion of the 16th Century.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience That's absolutely true about the Syrian Orthodox Church in Kerala. Although that church in Kerala itself is a bit of a mess right now. As for Gujarat, I think you're referring to the Siddhi community, who are a mostly-Muslim African-origin community in Gujarat. The Europeans and Ottomans moved many people from India as well, to other places like Africa, the Caribbean and Suriname through practices like indentured labor and slavery. Also, I don't fully understand the history of Eritrea and Ethiopia, but it seems like their histories might be similar to the history India has with Pakistan (and Bangladesh)
39:10 lot of amharas and Gurages where assimilated to oromo culture during the oromo expansion
agreed. amongst other people(s).
We are all from Ethiopia 🇪🇹
that's right! just left at different periods.
Thanks for this
no problem. thanks for watching.
Let me preface my stupid comment by saying this is one of the best videos I've seen on RUclips, your channel is amazing. This is fascinating. I just found out that Mussolini abolished slavery in Ethiopia during the Italian occupation, Salassie later removed the legal basis for slavery. 3 million Ethiopians were enslaved then. History is so multi-faceted, and Ethiopia is the crossroads of so many people, in a very real way, it could be seen as the center of the world. I love your comment that we're all Ethiopians but that we just left at different times.
thanks for the love. fascist propaganda is some of the stuff to be taken with not just a grain but a kilo of salt. that being said, it ain't all bs. broken clocks are right twice a day. ethiopia under monarchy was far from perfect, but she was better then than now, and the underlying reason was multinational order.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Most definitely. Brazil was a constitutional monarchy after its independence. During the few decades it remained a monarchy, it had the greatest freedom of the press/freedom of speech in its entire history. It was also during this period that slavery was abolished. The Brazilian republic (installed by a military coup, the first of many) has been such a massive disappointment that today more Brazilians support a return to monarchy than ever.
Fascinating.
thank you for watching
This is awesome
thanks
Though i disagree with Moldbug on this one, this was still great to listen.
appreciate the objectivity, some folks have trouble separating disagreement from greatness.
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I've been interested in Ethiopia for a while.
It always stood out to me when comparing it to the other Afrikan countries.
Very nice to hear your knowledge about it, very informative.
I wish that they would address the crisis between Ethiopia and Egypt.
not much to discuss, we're building that dam, but if i find someone knowledgeable and willing i'd love to get more eyeballs on the matter.
This was fkn awesome.
thank for watching and listening. ender and bean were two of my fav characters growing up.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience I would want Peter to be my dictator but yeah that book series changed my life hahah
@@cheekysteez Peter taught me the term Hegemon when I was in middle school. Now I serve a church communion with Hegumen.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Orson Scott card got cancelled so we gotta be quite haha
@@cheekysteez word? that's news to me.
Ethiopia is fascinating.
yes! endless topics to explore.
Great talk! Have you read Unknown Empire by Dean Arnold?
i have not, but i am now adding it to the list. any particular great insights from that text?
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience That's what I wanted to ask you, I haven't bought it yet haha
If y’all are interested in more info about Syriac/Aramaic/Assyrian culture check out the “Hidden Pearl” documentary on RUclips. Those are my folks and I think that film perfectly encapsulates our history.
good look brother! i love my semitic cousins. shlom lokh.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Yeah I would say cousins is correct. After this I went on a research spree about the Afar and Oromo. So fascinating.
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1:27:43 There is a similar saying here in the Balkans!
Orthodox unite, worldwide!
good stuff
thanks for the support
Awesome
thanks for thinking so
how tf did you get moldbug on??
i live for these incredulous rhetorical questions. perhaps it is the grace of the old gods, perhaps it is the grace of the new god.
Very interesting.
I disagree that people can’t contain multitudes to the level of taking acid and also being a monk....
but I’ll cede that it’s rare
thanks for the feedback brotha. i won't speak for him, but i think Curtis was speaking in proclivity rather than absolute terms. many people take him out of context because their own sensibilities are upset. he's far more nuanced, and i would guess agrees with your conclusion.
Hi Henok, thanks for the interview/talk.
Question regarding the book references, is 'The Ash Heap of History' is by Chris Morgan? Might be the wrong author next to it.
mises.org/library/ash-heap-history
Marry me Curtis! I’m smitten to the core.
may the odds ever be in your favor
‘Rice Christian’ killed me
haha his prose is verse
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience great interview btw. I worked for an Ethiopian lawyer a while back. Fantastic guy, but I was always awed that he was here because he would talk about how his father was a legendary general. Cool to see that type of thing discussed.
@@gamersomatic5395 dope. makes sense because the communists took over in 1975, then psuedo-communists in 1991. the old guard didn't feel safe anymore. first thing the communists did was publicly execute 60 dukes.
Henok Elias Damn, that is disgusting. Hey man, if you’re interested I got a recommendation. Rene Girard’s work on Mimetic Theory, if you’re not already aware of it. Cheers and God Bless.
@@gamersomatic5395 I've heard lot about it, especially from Peter Thiel. It's def on my to-read list.
2:01:00 As a Catholic, let me say that what Curtis says about traditional Catholicism and Confession is not true. There are always long lines at the confessionals at my Traditional Latin Mass parish. What goes on in Novus Ordo Land, I cannot say for sure, but I my feeling is that Confession is rarer.
glad TLM crew is doing that. of the Catholic Church rn, what percentage would you say are TLM?
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Hard question! In the diocese of San Diego we are blessed (not because of the bishop, who is one of "Uncle" Ted McCarrick's boys and arguably the worst in the US) there are 98 parishes: my parish has the FSSP (like St. Vitus in LA) and TLM only. There are 2 more parishes with TLM on Sundays and other feast days. If you are curious about more accurate statistics, you could visit the Rorate Caeli blog (not affiliated) and do a search for "statistics" . Fantastic discussion from both sides, by the way!
@@bedwere thank you. very helpful, and I love San Diego.
Yes... I go to both Novus Ordo and TLM. Confession is alive and well.
How do I contact curtis man Id love to discuss India with him. Also based and subscribed-pilled.
subscribe to graymirror.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience thanks.
Hi Henok, thanks for the interview/talk.
Question regarding the book references, is 'The Ash Heap of History' by Chris Morgan? Might be the wrong author next to it.
mises.org/library/ash-heap-history
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience ahhh got it, thanks again
@@ofcourseofcoursebutmaybe no problem. thanks for watching, and more importantly your willingness to seek out further reading.
based beyond belief
thank you, frend!
Great interview. Dude looks like taco from odd future l
that is a new one! i hope i'm not that thin
I think theres a way to have both. the comforts and conveniences but with an eye on history and more discipline. a guiding cultural vision instead of the decadent nihilism that people in modernity suffer from. I think looking to outer space would actually help. we need another branch to jump to. another fruit to pick.
is space force hiring?
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience lol i personally, un-ironically, hope so. don't think im brave enough or qualified though. thanks. don't agree with all his thoughts but its great getting high level content. be well. i vote peter thiel our reluctant american monarch.
For the algorithms
yessir
Less than a second into the video: 'Um, um...'
30 minutes in, do you like it?
drink any time yarvin says something 3 times.
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this is an allusion to the holy trinity! thanks for watching.
You forgot to mention Atse Yohannes who was likewise important for the modernization of Ethiopia.
there is a lot to mention. i appreciate his majesty, but also don’t forget that he killed Emperor Teklegeeyorgees II to get there. many forget about him.
Based Grimdark cathedral
thank you for thinking so
Go on Strike & Mike Mischling.
huh?
Why, Ethiopia is far more interesting than I would ever have guessed. In my mind it was Jewish Somalia or something
jewish somalia is actually pretty accurate, but you have to unpack that. bronze age pre rabinnical jewish + bronze age agew (somali and afar adjacent), later christianized.
Surreal.
in the tradition of salvador dali and miguel llanso
This was rich
thanks for watching and enjoying
The word father is the same in Arabic
semitic cousins
Curtis says Ethiopia is a christian country, over 1/3 are muslim.
that's true. but historic ethiopia is a combination of 5 orthodox christian kingdoms. through conquest the modern-nation state incorporated a theocratic democracy and three islamic sultanates.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Thanks for the info. Curtis' knowledge (your's as well) of Ethiopia was impressive. I knew it had a complicated history from a little research I did prior to a 2 week trip there a few years ago (birdwatching tour). But this podcast episode showed it is a lot deeper and extensive than I realized.
So cook
what would you like me to cook?
Video starts "um um" :D
some strive for greatness incrementally
So you folks ready to play the "um um" shot drink game? Gonna need at least 2 two liter bottles of hard liquor for this 2 hour long Um Um session
if this is someone you admire and are willing to watch and listen to for 2 hours, your conduct here is not comporting. who are you signaling to?
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience ...Admire? I dont admire a single solitary sperg in this absurd banal and cynical World nor should I and neither should anyone, for there lay the ways of Idolatry.....the saga continues
@@phak7226 i can appreciate the consistency
14:41
took me awhile to understand this.
1:43:00 No. It is not biologically possible. Thinking this way is the problem. The viral landscape is a perpetual and inescapable side effect of the protein folding chemical landscape. There is an organic reservoir of viral activity and cross reactivity is already built into the majority of organisms that share an ecology. This is a purely social disease, and with a social disease '0 cases' means everyone is willing to ignore it and is deathly afraid of being accused of having it.
Can we breed humans to not say umm?
'tis a learned behavior that i think he's gotten better at if you see newer content. practice makes better.
Yarvin still believing in Whitey on the Moon? Doesn't he read Unz?
is it possible he has read Unz and disagrees?
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Entirely!
The white guy feels like he has a very subtle superiority complex
malet?
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience just a feeling . I could be reading too much in to it. But I love your videos. Or I should say 'we love your videos'
i knew a guy who also claimed to be ehtiopian "royalty" lmao so many people pretending to be things
cool story
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience i know right? people like to make stuff up all the time.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience have you heard of this thing called "bigfoot?" people say they see it. but no one has any proof.
does this sound like a racist?
no, not by my standards. #ethiopiansupremacist
I don't want to sound like an asshole, but Tolkien certainly didn't name any men of the west's nations after Ethiopian toponyms.
you 100% sure? Gonder and Roha are amharic speaking kingdoms of Ethiopia he would have been familiar with.
Go visit rural Gondor and tell me you didn’t just appear in middle earth.
120:50 this is where this dude loses me. his whole race trip. what about inbreeding? lol.
perhaps inbreeding is whiggish agitprop
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience perhaps. perhaps. wasn't isaac newton born to 2 illeterate farmers in the middle of nowhere, almost dying of numerous illnesses? what about ramachandran? etc? people aren't dogs....
more CEO, less king. just an aesthetic thing for me. run countries like a business with citizens holding "stock", and in times of prosperity dividends flow back to incenvtivize participation and lawful behavior? get the efficiency and accountability of the king but without the feelings of subjugation/overlord relationship, and of course it should be voluntary. Should be a service provider competing with other "kings" or CEO's. fpv concept is good, although im sure yarvin would disagree strongly with it...odd he talks so much shit about bitcoin given he started urbit..
People poke fun at Brits, Afghans and American southerners alongside other groups on a basis of inbreeding. I have not watched so far yet but will just note that the discourse about inbreeding, whether historical or contemporary, is a relevant topic for most nations
Damn, Moldbug really needs to go back to wearing glasses.
what makes you say that?
yeah bro he's handsome