Curtis Yarvin Live at the Based Deleuze Release Party in LA (Mencius Moldbug)
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- Опубликовано: 18 мар 2020
- You can also listen on the Other Life podcast plnk.to/otherlife. In this epic 3-hour talk, Curtis Yarvin discusses: Democracy, his preference for Bernie Sanders, debunking the American Revolution, benevolent dictatorship, Ancient Rome and the need for an American Augustus, salus populi suprema lex esto, formalism, sovereign corporations, his rejection of Nazis and White Nationalism, and much more.
This podcast was recorded at the first ever live show of the Other Life podcast in LA, celebrating the release of my book Based Deleuze in paperback (amzn.to/2UfdTfS).
Several people helped make this event happen. Barrett Avner of Contain was my LA-based partner behind this whole event, he helped tons with planning and booking and this could not have happened without him. Alex Talan, also of Contain, helped run the audio. Ben Williamson ( / bdcwilliamson ) made dope flyers, and shot and edited the video. Zach Hamilton of the video studio Church (churchofchurch.com/) made the slick custom intro at the beginning of the RUclips video for this talk.
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Everybody gangsta til Moldbug gets emotional
that's called crocodile tears
@@NightmareMasterclass nah
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Hey Justin
I just wanted to thank you for all the work you are doing. This was a great interview.
Giving the spotlight to people with such unique levels of thought is SO important these days.
Ive been on a Yarvin content marathon the past week or so. The moment we see starting around 20:00 in amazing. I truly love this man. It's a look into his soul for a minute. He's speaking about a communist writer. But moreover a fellow human being and parent. It's beautiful. Maybe you can say he had something else going on in his life that contributed to this, but who cares? I feel like (maybe childless so) that we need more of this.
That was the moment I realized this guy isn't just some random grifter looking for clicks.
He realized what the international jewry (his forebears) did to our countries was really pitiful
Curtis is totally Gen-X to the xtreme.
Hairy Pixels i was just thinking the same thing!
This was great, hope there's more podcasts like this in the future.
Thanks so much Justin. I only heard of Moldbug 4 or so months ago, through Malice and then he was on Malice's live stream yesterday, amazing. And now I am here and still being blown away by truth bomb overload. Brilliant👍
Does Curtis play a comedian character called Sam Hyde?
holy crap, I can't unsee this anymore
@@WhoopaDoopaYay Few know this, but Sam Hyde is Yarvin's son.
I see Michael Bolton from office space
@@IvanTre and to have a child at the tender age of 11 - such a struggle! (Happy Birthday to Sam Hyde, btw)
Is Sam Hyde is one of Moldbug's imaginary friends, like Carlyle's M'Croudy the Serraphic Doctor of Political Economy?
"Don't inhabit the stereotypes of your opponent."
What if they're right?
you gotta go through long stretches of "uh uh um um " to get to these bits but it's worth it
Don’t say the N-word
@0 forged That makes sense.
Curtis must do public lecture series. We need that
Thank you for this interview!
GJ J.M. - Been waiting for Yarvin for years.
*raises microphone to laugh into it*
Spengler more like Spergler haha gottem
The Daily Sperger
The wood paneling here makes it really feel like I’m talking to my friend in a basement in the Midwest. Nice touch.
“Augustus was like FDR” , this is going to occupy my brain for awhile...
idk if i missed that part or havent got there yet but i would really like some elaboration
@@immaculatesquid around 1:30:00
Doubtful you're reading this comment, but could you please become more active on the podcast circuit? There's a vacuum of your perspective in the milieu but you seem to properly enjoy this type of thing, so why not? Most people would respond to this message warmly and with further curiosity. It's been a joy, thank you for speaking and thanks to the platform for hosting.
Note to RUclips: If I'm watching this, I don't want Chapo next in my autoplay.
caperature or Joe Rogan, Jesus Christ
Same. I got Zizek.
I got Peterson, heh.
Check cumtown out
@@wrightatwater6867 Cumtown are the only comedians who make me laugh. Is there anyone nearly as good?
RUclips’s existence has been justified.
“The NYT is an absolute, hereditary monarchy.”
Kinda makes me rethink this whole return to monarchy thing...
Yarvin is phenomenal, but he still is part of a status insecure demographic, thus he tends to over estimate and also fundamentally misconstrue the class dynamic in America.
Hereditary monarchies can be toppled
@@sherryberry4577 “destined” to be toppled… after accomplishing God’s will.
Someone should count how many times Yarvin says ummm. He's much better in text. Still worth listening to.
It occurs to me that the cathedral uses neurolinguistics programming (NLP) to assign emotions and negative connotations, or positive connotations according to how they want the target audience to feel about any given subject, and it appears to be very effective.
what cathedral?
@@ashleyisachild "The Cathedral" is a concept that Curtis Yarvin came up with to apply an epithet to the religion-like pseudo moral propaganda ministry which effectively garners political power through the use of sophistry and manipulating people for their emotions.. as opposed to encouraging people to gain a scientific understanding of the objective truth through rationality and reason. It consists of any institution which can shape the minds of people through the use of deception. Primarily though, it consists of the mainstream media, the universities, Hollywood, RUclips channels, social media, etc. It highjacks the morality of people with the objective of getting people to be self defeating, or to weaponize them against political opponents. "Cancel culture" is one result of the "cathedral".
@@ashleyisachild Here is one example: ruclips.net/video/gFxu3Q71NvE/видео.html
As a Honduran I find intriguing the fixation Curtis has on Central American countries. I've listened to him many times using Central American countries in examples when explaining stuff.
American academics & intelligentsia tend to have a bit of a complex when it comes to central & south america, maybe caused (imo) by all of the havoc & discord the US has sown throughout the region over the last 100 years.
I doubt this applies to Curtis, but is just something i’ve been noticing recently
This is super dope. Justin's point between 55:00 and 58:00 is fantastic and needs to be heard: radical intellectual life should be respected by both sides of the ideological spectrum, opening up space for communication within them.
This man is a walking footnote
Thanks for that talk. I quite enjoyed it.
This is nice, I like the moldbug
The thing of it is, by the time you get tenure (or the British equivaent), you're supposed to have transformed, pod-person style, into a beige apparatchik (aka "bugman") and not have any interest or inclination to say anything interesting to say that deviates from the 3x2.5" card of allowed academic outlook.
The fact that you didn't means that the treatment did not work on you thus they had to expel the foreign tissue.
The way this is lit? Lit.
@ 0:35 Curtis was thirsty. Ah a drink, just what I needed he thought to himself. Curtis lets out a bellowed laugh, as if the staff was reading his mind, in that exact moment. "You fucker" he whispers. Curtis reaches for the drink gleefully
"We won't need those until about an hour in"
Curtis recoils in near embarrassment, almost forgetting the entire act was recorded. "I'll just play it off cool" his mind shrieked. So Curtis settles on a move which could best be described as, "I'm dusting the floor bro"
Really really interesting talk! Good job on this
Justin Murphy and Tek Wars are true legends for both getting Moldbug on. Wish I could have made it to the live event.
I'm pretty excited about him "intervening" on one of the Nazi podcasts, even though he's like 2 years too late.
Kantbot and Justin are probably my two favorite content creators these days
cobrastriesand I’d like to see him talk to the TRS people
What's the reason for the blurry rectangles on the video from time to time?
It seems like maybe to try to blur out the audience if their face was visible on camera?
Hey Justin can you do another lengthy interview with Moldbug as soon as you can? We need more of this.
At 1:36:16, Moldbug is admirably correct in admitting that UR's main contribution was as Critique, not as Construction. He attempted the latter, but only really succeeded in the former. Many writers, especially political writers, fail to achieve this level of self-awareness. It must be difficult to admit even to yourself that a large and definable portion of your intellectual work failed, despite, in some cases (eg, the Anitversity), high quality and potential. On the other hand, Urbit rolls on, and is this not a constructive contribution, if of a different kind?
I think it's not as much a failure but simply that from Marx to Mises, descriptive analysis tends to be far better than prescriptive speculation. Good for him for not being caught up in ideology and recognizing this. Urbit for sure is a manifestation of his speculative ideas.
@@patf9770 Is it better though? Modernity has its downsides.
The sincerity around the 20min mark really took me off guard, genuinely a sound chap. Brilliant talk, was gutted it had to end!
Authenticity is a very valuable commodity
Interesting that your comment can be read as you feel that showing emotion is not "sound"?
@@tombsandtemples I’m not sure how… my intention was the opposite. British mannerism, perhaps. Not to mean “of sound mind.”
Why was this video shortened? where's the rest?
He’s a really emotional person
he is so poosi
Only about that story of the leftist pertrayed by her friends!!
Tankie freak
@@paj.8361 he was thinking about his wife (because in the story, it also is about the wife), who was extremely sick around that time and now has died.
He wrote a poem about her, if you are interested.
I’ve been watching long form intellectual conversations for quite sometime but at this point I’m hungry for serious solution discussions such as political strategy, alt-tech stack to counter the censorship including internet access, DNS, and anything that can be cancelled including travel, jobs, food access. The Reddit story is also interesting ie squeezing hedge funds instead of seeking political solutions.
Right?
This is great to see. Awesome. Tell Curtis I am still working on the street checking idz while the mayor calls the weed " essential " . Curtis is a good dude. Really.
Also, Bernie is straight up n down weak af. Also, he loves being in that political position. Bernie iz wack
Wow. Feeling fortunate to have had this beamed into my cns. Thanks to all involved
Great interview! Question: first time I listened to this, I thought Curtis talked about different types of empathy. I re-listened and didn’t hear it. Can anyone summarize that point for me?
NOTES:
SPECTRUM: I'm 60 (Curt Doolittle). Curtis is in his 40's. Justin is in his 30's. The audience might be in their 20's-30s.
JUSTIN:
1 - There is an demand for intellectual life, intellectual discourse. You have to make it yourself. Put it on. If you build it they will come.
2 - Power Hungry Institutionalized
CURTIS:
1 - Loosen's up and gets comfortable about 35 minutes in. Then we see the 'him'. Good.
2 - Makes the point that the american lesson of democracy failed by wilson's acknowledgement of it. (I use the economics of the american experiment in expansion permitting the luxury of our incompetence).
3 - American revolution is the vietnam war in the 18th c where england is america. A civil conflict between two factions (whig/puritan against anglican). Created conflict in two segments of english society, in a cold war, but it was a hot war in america. The americans win the war. But because britain loses the will to fight. "Jefferson is a cringe". Articles of Confederation... John Hanson the president of congress. It was so disastrous because of democracy (by adams). "We have to establish responsible aristocratic government." Very much an aristocratic republic.
4 - Fear of the Other. We are the enlightened few. Historically this is not a ridiculous fear. Deep bitter loathing between upper and middle class. (Disagree: Status conflict between capital owners and producers and capital renters.)
5 - "If anything is going to work it will require an alliance of the three classes." , "are we in the late roman republic or the late roman empire". "the history of the republic is conflict between the classes", (He doesn't believe civil war is possible.) "With augustus this whole conflict goes away. One side wins the civil war. The side that wins is the military. They were unifiers. They claimed to restore the republic. But they were authoritarians. we've in practice created a monarchy. So augustus is more like FDR. A startup nation. Under augustus restarted because of caesar.'s use of the people (working men)'s violence". "caesar captures cato's headquarters. And finds a chest of letters from cato's supporters (the old guard's wealthy supporters). We are going to kill them (soros et all) and give it our friends (magas). (We don't need to find the chest. it's public information.) .... (I think more in Mao's terms but the problem is the same.) (the spartan way is to find some hostile and burn down his house).
6 - "I don't have any ideas or any big ideas ... I disagree ... the important thing is all negative: the absence of belief." (I agree. He's a practitioner of Critique which is his cultural background. I do solutions. That's mine. But criticism is more fun. you don't have to bet anything on it - just feel good about yourself. You have to risk to take solutions. That doesn't mean that criticism fails to help us understand the problem that we DO need to solve. )
7 - Agree on The Machiavellians as the most important book of politics in the 20th. ("The italian school of political science", Mosca. Elements of political science / theory of the ruling class" Read Burnham instead. most political systems have divergence between formal power (supposed to work) vs objective power (who is really in charge). The reality of power and the formal legal reality of power diverge. (Hence my work on preventing that by providing a via-negativa market via the court). When appearance is powerless and symbolic, then the reality is unaccountable - especially when it's distributed and bureaucratic. (Curtis isn't mentioning the via negativa of monarchy, but that's trivial.)
8 - The Times and the Post are part of the government. "The Department of Information" and it's entirely unaccountable. The New York Times is an absolute hereditary monarchy." (true).
9 - "Formalism and Sovcorps are old ideas that I emphasize differently."
This is what Curtis does that others don't equal. He criticizes and explains with historical literary depth and excels at thought experiments to assist the audience. This is the value of an analyst and teacher. The fact that he doesn't have solutions is not a failing. We get intelligent conversation that isn't dumbed down or sentimental.
The problem is the world wants solutions sold by someone who can explain them like curtis.
We don't have that person.
QUESTIONS:
Large number of small governments. Patchworks. A governance structure. the government owns territory and runs t like a business. A government is a corporation that runs a country. Corporations are monarchies. "Imagine gordon ramsay going through the state department's fridge". The answer is as generally as possible, you want accountable monarchies. Augustus saved rome. That's the unanimous sentiment. Tiberius. Caligula. Claudius. Nero. (Bad) Henry VI etc. Steve Jobs, Apple, most like monarchy. Puritans were very experienced at forming the republic. President was an accountable ruler to the shareholders. The President in the government was inherited from the puritan private corporation structure. The industrial revolution was the corporate revolution. (CD: he's confirming hoppe on monarchy). (CD: no via-negativa.) reality... the ceo is a monarch, completely in charge but completely accountable to the board. but if the board gets involved then something is wrong. if the shareholders get involved its worse. The board isn't corrupted by power because it doesn't have power. It's an exception handler. ( CD: Board as a form of via negativa judiciary - exception handler. I have to work on that idea. )
THOUGHTS
1 - I think Minsky's observation that programming is as novel a way of thinking as were logic and mathematics. And that there is a very clear reason why programmers trend male, right, and libertarian, because we are always disambiguating categorizing, and testing empirically rather than intuitionistically.
2 - Curtis is a "pill dispenser" because he uses Critique rather than analysis. At least he uses it toward beneficial ends. ;)
3 - Curtis: academic institutions evolved as low influence. (He doesn't touch the economics of it postwar and why that became a problem.) (He's strangely interested in the marxist period .) They are power hungry and that's the problem.
4 - Same attitude for blue state ruling class - these are my peeps - but are you taking care of the people or just power?
5 -Main difference between us is that I consider humans 'bot's that require an operating system that fails gracefully downward and increases in precision upward, and that we need both negativa legal and positiva reward (commercial) markets - and that all of this is noise on top of group strategies. Politics sits on Traditional Law and the Metaphysics therein.
no one reads your shit curt
@@Fnargl99 A lot of people do actually.
Curt has even more time on his hands then usual, I see.
"He's a practitioner of Critique which is his cultural background."
I see what you did here, Curt.
It has its uses. He uses it well. It's not like we have a choice in these things.
this is such a cool channel, thank you for putting this on
GREAT VIDEO. I've never come across this channel before, but this as awesome. This is the first time I felt like the interviewer was really engaging the speaker in an interesting manner and actually bringing something of there own to the table, so great performance by by Curtis Yarvin and this Justin guy. The DIY wthic is something we really need to bring to the political/philosophical arena.
Thanks Enny. ;-)
British version of tenure? Are you originally from the UK?
He worked at a British college and lived in Britain for a while. He’s originally from New Jersey
Newbie here, why did Curtis get choked up around 22 mins in?
because his wife was very sick for a long time (and now is dead)
Moldbug bought a pair of skinny jeans for the occasion, bless him
Mold bug seems surprisingly normal, masculine and healthy. I've long admired his nought but I imagined him having a more poindexter affect
Masculine? Were you raised by a single mother by chance?
Nerzenjäger I mean yes but I stand by my point, obviously he’s not macho but compare this with his wimpy slam poetry video from the 90s, he seems like a normal father
No
@@nerzenjaeger he has a confident posture and speaks clearly, surprisingly, and he has a wife and child(ren). He's doing better then MRA moaners who cant get a woman to marry them.
@@zayan6284 He's a smug nerd and not relevant since 2011.
Responsibility requires authority, but authority is tempered by accountability.
The difference between democracy and politics, is:
Democracy, is just a logos, a stereotype, an idea, that we look at as goal, but not reality.
Politics is what actually happen. It is not based on the idea of politics, but reality, and reality is always darker than the pure idea.
Heard this dude on Tim Dillon
He fills in a lot of blanks on things I’ve been pondering my whole life
Love his historical examples
The blanks: UM AND UH UM
why the blur at 1:37:30 ?
Anyway I can hear the last hour of this with the questions?
on spotify
there's literally no discussion on Deleuze.
Anyone suggest where I can read yarwins works or where should I start?
Search "Open letter to open minded progressives". He recommends that as a good start point himself. Also, his blog is unqualified reservations. You can search that too
@@MaulqasmPK thank you
This was such a treat, my goodness!
I would advise that the audio levels be raised. I'm at 100% volume here, and the sound of cars outside still overpowers the video.
move
50:14 political intervention
1:26:23 post-political America
2:08:41 the nazi mill
2:22:56 American communism
2:40:44 Antarctica first
“That’s the bait”
Worth the price of admission.
Where did everything past 2 hours go?
What happened to the last hour? It's gone?
Yes I'm based.
I feel rhizomatic after watching this.
это бааза
What's with all the blurred images?
Been looking forward to this, awsome to see this thanks a lot Justin for doing this!
What happened to the audience question section?
Fears of doxxing probably
40:24 David Geffen
1:17:35
2:08:56 Live long and prosper.
Good interview. Mencius Moldbug's writings are well worth reading, especially for anyone on the right.
Host: ‘You shouldn’t have to fly”. Covid: hold my beer.
Proud of you J-Dawg
Thanks, Tab
the Q&A segment wasn´t as fun as i thought it would be, i think most of the people there already believes in Moldbug 100%, compared this with the Futarchy debate where most of the audience where skeptic about his ideas, i really wish that people would want to criticize the shortcomings of his political system or at least the ideological aspect of it, or something like that idk
Same, I find some of his ideas insightful & fascinating, but i’ve never seen anyone push back on his more authoritarian leanings. As a leftist I tend to engage with them in more of a theoretical sense, but seeing as he’s an actual monarchist, it’d be interesting to hear him rationalize some of their more problematic aspects.
Ofc it sounds great when you’re only highlighting the benefits of executive power. i’d like to hear his response to the issues that come with hereditical monarchy, for example
I russian fan Mencius Moldbug.Yarvin is great!!!!
Я тоже, мужик!
@@user-xx6fe7rf3x Тогда респект))
23:00 great quote
Bookmark 1:35:00
Not a big fan of Justin but this was a great conversation. Thank you, Justin. Hope your book sells well!
Thanks James
2:08:36. It only took two hours for Justin to OD on redpills
Michael Pemulis hahaha
Lmao yeah he loses it by the end. Great interview dude. Go on tekwars
@@innernetfunhouse1161 You talking about Justin or Yarvin because both already have
@Literary LibationsWhats good! You a fan of Murph or Moldbug?
Justin taught me for a semester at university. His official page on the university website mentioned Subcomandante Marcos, although I honestly can't remember the context. He was super left-wing at the time, and his class was full of students with similar sentiments.
Yarvin aged in a good way haha kind of like a cooler, darker version of those Silicon Valley ‘mavericks’.
Mr Hanky he’s pulling off the evil look really well. Everyone knows bad is cooler than good anyhow
cool?
melissa bell nobody told you that his Rosie O’Donnell haircut is cool?
@@mysteryman6918 hes dressed like someone I'd bump into at tractor supply co
Does anyone know what got him emotional at 22:10? Is he related to the individual in the story?
I imagine it was the cost of being a dissident.
The story he told makes it obvious. Just watch it again.
@@joeblow1942 Yeah he's talking about Freda Utley, but still not sure his emotional attachment to the story. Just curious
@@DeanMasley He started tearing up after mentioning her relationship.
That was because at the time, his wife was extremely sick (and now has passed), and he was thinking about him being alone without her.
He wrote a poem about the death of his wife btw if you are interested
@@aldoushuxley5953 thank you so much Aldous, that helped me find the empathy i was seeking.
Would love if you timestamped your longer form stuff
Curtis Yarvin makes Jordan Peterson look like Jeb Bush.
Where is peter thiel in the audience?
Did he at least get an ergonomic chair?
Yes! Augustus
@1:22:00 yes we got a good lesson in the comparison of state power between USA and china and the rest of the planet
We know where the next moves will be played hardest
I hope everyone took notes
What was the name of the speech Curtis mentions about the cluelessness of voters on both sides?
Charles Francis Adams Jr. address on history at the American Historical Association 1900
Moldbug looks like severus snape.
Lol why did you put the shower glass thing there?
“Justin, are you going to hail for us today?” LOL!!!! 😂 love it.
Sam Hyde lookin' good
SawChaser glad Sam is doing ok he had me worried
It would be nice if you have a conversation with Curt Doolittle.
The French Revolution was the first horror of the Modern Age. It was pure terror. And all of Europe suffered for it.
If you consider the Napoleon to be the part of the french revolution, then Hungarian peasants and lords made a huge buck during the Napoleonic wars since huge portions of agricultural lands were wrecked, peasants were drafted etc. in the West, also the continental blockade made grain expensive, thus grain export became very profitable in the beginning of the 19th century in Hungary.
Edit: Love the Alfa
Reformation is when the cracks showed and the revolution just smashed everything
@@silverman824 and it started a chain reaction
the lighting and color are on point.
Late pass but does Curtis think he has power? And is it up to him?
Why is the video blurred sometimes? Are you testing to see if people only listen and don’t watch? Very annoying.
At the end you can see peter thiel in the audience not clapping
Cooperations (CEOs) are the modern dukes?
Repo Man is always intense.
Where are the audience questions?
Based
Tw weeks later and this is all in the shadow of Corona and Bernie is toast.
He was 100% right about corona as well. Fascinating character
Starts at 5:53