Against Curtis Yarvin’s Self-Fulfilling Pessimism
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2023
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The writer Curtis Yarvin recently posted a criticism of the conservative takeover of New College of Florida, where I serve on the board of trustees.
Yarvin, who has built a cult following on the “neoreactionary” Right and the “post-Marxist” Left, is best known for advancing the thesis that the progressive-managerial state, which he calls the Cathedral, is so powerful, that any action to challenge it will end up reinforcing its power. The better solution, Yarvin counsels, is to adopt the posture of a prey animal, find satisfaction through aesthetics, and wait for the American Caesar.
I disagree. Yarvin’s philosophy is an expression of self-fulfilling pessimism. To a certain extent, the conservative takeover of New College has already been successful. We immediately fired the former president, abolished the DEI bureaucracy, banned coercive and discriminatory “diversity” programming, and brought in former education commissioner Richard Corcoran-a man of great tenacity and courage-to lead the turnaround effort.
Furthermore, our initial campaign at New College has already had a ripple effect: multiple states, including Florida, have introduced legislation to abolish DEI bureaucracies at all public universities, and the higher education establishment has expressed fear that a conservative counter-revolution has begun. At a minimum, we have proven that the political commissars are not inevitable, not invincible, and not untouchable.
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Am I wrong? Should I take the black pill?
We need a debate within the right, to arrive to better solution. Not just trying to debate between left and right. Please debate Auron McIntyre. Not just Yarvin. Yarvin lives in Silicon Valley, a very artificial subculture.
@@buenos4799 I like both Auron and Curtis. Would happily debate either!
If Yarvin lives in Silicon Valley, then perhaps there should be a distinction between how one fights the culture war from a position of strength vs. deep within adversarial territory.
Yes, you most should. There is too much optimism here.
Yes. By all means. Eat a diet of "black pills", if you are a impotent wimp.
He doesn't say "do nothing." He's saying quiet, long term strategies are the only way to win. I'd love to see Chris and Curtis sit down and talk.
Yarvin is an accelerationist. He thinks the Right can't win until things get even worse.
I'm game for it.
Ok but what are a few good small steps to take? What does Yarvin suggest all of us do?
@@brianmeen2158 Build conservative universities. Stop trying to put the fallen tree back where it was, instead plant a new one. His words
Quiet long term strategies sounds like what the left was doing up until relatively recently where they started saying the quiet part out loud.
A middle ground between Rufo and Yarvin would be eliminating the civil rights acts. At least the acts from 1960, 64, and 68. If that sounds too extreme as a long term goal, then Yarvin has a point that the project may fail for not reaching far enough. Because when a county or state level institution is sued in federal court for not complying with "best practices" to transcend "disparate impact", courts will consider the testimony of the ten Harvard expert witnesses more prestigious than the opposing two from Claremont. Not to mention the protests that would be manufactured and media consensus effecting the EEOC. I don't agree with Yarvin, what Rufo is doing is a necessary first step. However the reactionaries are at least right that unless federal law is fundamentally changed, it's just a matter of time before the sword falls.
The most potent pushback will come at the state level, rather than through federal courts.
That's how it works, who ever has more money, has the resources to fund research...and
Is seen as most credible...even if it's biased.
Terrible way to operate isn't it?
Maybe we should get rid of capitalism. That's the root of the problem.
But this is america, you only know crony unregulated capitalism...
You think you're fighting the good fight?
You're all making things worse with your conservative religious policies and bigoted beliefs...
The left isn't "hating on the other side of the argument cause it's just the facts"
You have no facts? evidence, etc...
That's why courts won't side with you or your beliefs.
Just accept that your lifestyle, beliefs and systems don't work, for any society, except....
for white supremacists to get ahead, because they designed the system, with slavery, and then with segregation, and here we are.....
How's they do it?
...by lying to children at a young age with "patriotic" propaganda, that's called "the other side of the argument"
Like no, you have no arguments, Rufo has admitted himself what he's doing and the fact people support this lying sob is wild.
Keep thinking you're educated, bruh...like you said, even if you have 10 harvard degrees, I'll still think you're a moron... and the fact you have not even a highschool diploma, makes that worse, now you're a nobody, again, why should we listen to racist, rightwing propaganda?
It's not reality, it's not "the other side" it's just your opinions and beliefs that you want enforced in government law, to control the lives of others....
Why?
Why?
To "fix society"?
It doesn't need fixing and especially not from unqualified uneducated people who think being confident and stupid makes you more credible than peer review science and evidence... 😂😂😂😂😂
With Harvard’s new President their ten experts will not be taken as seriously as you think. Harvard’s prestige is eroding. It is just a spent brand and not a thought leader any longer. And now it is a joke led by a person who suppresses truth. Ask Roland Frey.
No no no. It's not about changing the law. Well, that's part of it. But you need people willing to execute those laws first. This is why regime change doesnt work in foreign countries.
@Gaelileo (Conor Rafferty) Maybe not, but any strategy that does not have a plan to counter federal law that is used to attack these institutions is also not living in the real world. It's the same for the "anti-woke" DEI courses people are trying to sell to businesses. It's all doomed to fail because in the real world the EEOC will shut it down. You have to at least aim high enough to address the predictable push-back from far more numerous, better connected, better funded, and more organized opposition.
Imagine time traveling back to the 1950's and describing the 2023 culture to them, they'd either laugh at you, think you were mentally unwell, or be so appalled that they wouldn't want to listen to you. The progressive groups behind our modern culture were in the same situation in the 50's where they didn't have power, the culture was against them, all the civil institutions were against them, and the government was against them. But they didn't give up. They fought, gradually, to undermine and erode the cultural dominance of their opposition.
Thats a myth that curtis does actually a great job at dispelling
@@pepe2563
Can u b more specific? Whot exactly is a myth?
@Gulan Hem they owned the media and higher education at that time.
The Long March Through the Instititions has arrived at its destination.
Completely, hopelessly, utterly wrong.
The "progressives" have been in control of America since it was founded (with brief exceptions, mostly in the pre-Civil War era).
Historical literacy is the first massive challenge that needs to be overcome for right wingers to understand the situation we're in.
If you weren't making waves, if you didn't scare them, they would not be going so crazy. You know the truth, as I do, and as they do. We are in for a fight, but the reality is we will win when the spell is broken, when people realize they do not need to have things shoved down their throats; that there is no need to live in fear, there is no need to put our children on the block to be sexualized, the spell is broken and we won't do it.
I like Curtis. Definitely smart and offers perspectives we don't get to hear much. Although I don't agree with some of his conclusions or solutions, I still think he provides valuable input nonetheless. Nice video Chris, keep up the great work.
I am a doomer far beyond Yarvin's scope, and I think Yarvin is full of crap in his defeatism. What Yarvin ultimately fails to understand is that when everything collapses, something needs to be fighting to take over the vaccum left behind. Yarvin will let every chance pass him by because he does not understand that his philosophy has no mobilizing power. Some of the smarter people I've listened to said that Marx probably knew that his solutions were unfeasible in the form he wrote them, but he knew that he had to offer a vision that would mobilize people. Being 100% correct (which he isn't, but let's pretend he is) is worthless if it leads to passivity at the time when activity is needed. The right needs people willing to rally others, else the only ones who will do it will be the left and the alt-right. If the good people on the right refuse to fight such as what Rufo is doing, then only fascists will be left to take the fight. Real fascists, not "you hurt my progressive feelings so now I will call you a fascist".
Even if absolutely everything is guaranteed to go to shit, you fight. You do so because not doing so invites even worse outcomes.
What you don't understand is that waiting for "collapse" is a cope that will leave us with a third world hellhole with 300 million immigrants from Africa/SE Asia/Latin America. When that happens, the game is over, we all lose. That's what happens when the right follows the path of least resistance instead of actually playing to win and save our country.
As for "philosophy has no mobilizing power", sure, but it doesn't need to. All you need philosophy to do is attract elites, who DO HAVE mobilizing power. Read Burnham. Read Pareto. Read Machiavelli. Elite theory is correct and until the right can digest it, it will keep engaging in worthless populist strategies with no elite support.
The more you rally, the more you become the Left. Good luck!
🤦 collapse is never a vacuum of power
People need to be mobilized to do the right things, instead of becoming addicted to revolt with catchy slogans that'll just scare those in power and make them double down.
Agree when I listen to Yarvin I just want let the world burn. I don’t even understand what yarvins plan is exactly? He is good at explaining what the problem is but terrible at giving solutions
Saying that Curtis Yarvin's strategy is to do nothing is a misrepresentation. Yarvin's preferred strategy is seduction instead of force. To overcome progressivism, conservatism must become cooler.
I remember touring New College in 2018. I had already received my bachelors at FSU and already had a minor in CS. I wanted to take 1 semester more of Computer Science courses and complete the major, however the staff informed me I'd have to complete another 2.5 years at new college to do this. There's no logical justification for that, they just wanted to waste my time and money. Education's goal should be efficiently teaching students marketable skills.
I support you and DeSantis with all my might.
@Jody Kreycik Now you know how conservatives feel about all the unconstitutional bullshit coming from the Biden administration. 😂
The argument that Curtis often makes is that the "Cathedral" is decentralized by way of incentive structures. People act in their own best interest because their incentive structures convince them to do so. This is what drives the left leaning effect. The solution is to root out the bad incentive structures at every level. Only then will change be a likely outcome at a large cultural scale.
If you think the system is fundamentally flawed, as he does, then why would you spend your energy actively trying to patch and tape it back together? Let the walls of Jericho fall and build a better system from its ashes.
It has bothered me that the content of text books lean far to the left. I heard some years ago textbook publishers produce content based on their largest customers: California, New York, Illinois, etc. Because of that right-leaning states have no other option but to purchase those textbooks.
We've been hearing about the Parallel Economy. There are textbook publishers such as A Beka which have a more centrist-to-right lean. It might be a good idea for Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, Missouri, Oklahoma and other red states to drop their contracts with the established publishers and explore alternatives. If nothing else, this might force those publishers to update their content in order to keep stock holders happy. On the other hand, by switching to alternate suppliers we may begin to see quality textbooks free of propaganda.
the organized minority will always conquer the disorganized majority... get organized
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
― Margaret Mead
Come to Georgia! The USG system is riddled with Woke political activists.
He’s right. They have the power, despite their false narrative of being the powerless. So the odds are against you. And I think that’s why desantis came out this week about repubs just sitting on the sidelines. He sees it. But it’s worth the fight despite the odds. Isn’t that what this nation, battle by battle, struggle by struggle, was built on?
No, not exactly...
7:42 "I believe...".
This argument is disingenuous. There is a third possibility. That is that something of the system is salvageable, but that "taking over" schools won't solve it. That is, just because you have gone one layer deeper by attacking at the educational level, it doesn't mean that you have gotten to the critical layer. So, assuming that you've correctly stated Yarvin's position, it doesn't follow that your "we gotta do something" is correct.
Start taxing endowments to pay for this.
"merely by taking that first action you're creating the possibility for more" - Rufo
This is absolutely true and similarly to Chris I've seen this play out in my own life and historically. Tolstoy said it and most recently I heard Joe Rogan say it about his podcast. He explained it as the show being something beyond him and having a life of its own. (It was on the most recent episode with Jordan Peterson funny enough).
Thank you for taking on these challenges. The right has been cowardly for too long
Curtis Yarvin isn't a doomer, he's just more ambitious.
You're just trying to pick low-hanging fruit and declare victory, while in the grand scheme of things history is still a long march towards progressivesm.
red flag:
using "it's just" or similar in an argument or statement to reduce something into "just" one aspect or component (whether true or false)
This is a more accurate description of Curtis' position. He is not a doomer. He is a long termer.
more ambitious?
all he does is write on his substack and takes L's from liberals in debate.
He was insufferable during that Ben Burgis clash
@@jackiepuppet_5324 Yarvin smoked Burgis in that debate, you smootbrain. lol
@@dancooper4733 by appealing to his childhood experiences with this bureaucrat father rather than facts? That's not how you win debates lil bro 🤣
optimism is cowardice
You are a hero - this is a daunting endeavor, but it is necessary - if it works and can be spread/scaled, it could help save our country. I live in Tampa Bay and I’m watching closely. If I can find ways to support it more directly I will.
Chris Rufo and Gov. DeSantis are modern day Knights in Shining Armor! -- Clearwater
@@foxtrotjulietbravo5536 Desantis is the establishment's choice to return to Bush Republicanism. Republicans are easily duped.
@@foxtrotjulietbravo5536 I just threw up in my mouth. Sorry. Gag reflex
@@righteousgod8376 ahh so we’re just gonna ignore the orange elephant in the room!!!!
It is daunting indeed - it’s a good small first step though. I just don’t know how we could get blue states to follow
“A conservative is one who, rather than simply rejecting the revolutionary tradition of democracy, finds some effective way to contaminate it with reality, thus producing a weak but somewhat effective simulation of archism out of basically anarchist materials. Conservatism always appears, because it is easy. And it always fails, because it is weak and fraudulent. It is a case of tiling over the linoleum” Mencius Moldbug
Please keep going Christopher! I'm a junior government bureaucrat in Toronto, Canada. It's pretty much just like Los Angeles, California in its religious commitment to EDI ideology. I'm watching you and Ron De Santis in Florida closely as my only hope to shift things away from EDI back to equality, colorblindness, and meritocracy. It's not safe for my job if I speak up just yet as they are smarter, more well-read, more articulate and way more powerful in numbers and in rank. But I'm watching from your example and preparing from now for when I stand a fighting chance.
Curtis is right about the Cathedral. But the Cathedral isn't a monolithic train on the tracks of doom. It's course can be changed by politics and arguments. It can be made to avoid crashing society. Exactly what Chris is doing.
I think he also incorrectly attributes a level of competence to the cathedral they just don’t have. DEI will eventually filter more competent people into the counter elite to the point where we can reach a critical mass
It is on that monolithic track because it's optimized for the personal power of those contained within the cathedral, not the well being of the people or the truth, which has never been more clear than in recent years
No, it's course cannot be changed. It's literally a machine powered by destroying social structures and using the energy freed up by those broken bonds to power itself further. The left is political entropy and the Cathedral is the most effective culture shredder they've ever constructed.
Rufo is probably not actually accomplishing anything. He's doing stuff that makes us feel good, but will likely end up as just more narrative fuel for the Cathedral
Lmao. It literally cant. That like saying the solution to improve your health is eating a good balanced diet when you're suffering from stage 5 cancer.
We got here through lies and coercion. No amount of facts and logic will help us win over any friends.
rofling at this post
Love this and am encouraged by the comments here. Curtis's language and ideas are valuable tools to sort out the power dynamics in play, and Christopher's activism is generating real practical momentum. I'm heartened this kind if public debate can occur without being just shit flinging.
Rufo will fail in a completely predictable way.
No major corporation or institution will hire graduates from your silly "right wing" university, Being anti-woke will immediately make you a lightning rod for slanderous media coverage, there will be thousands of articles about how your university is a bastion of "far right extremism" and no corporation will be caught dead having ANY affiliation with you.
If any corporation does hire someone from your "freedom" university, they will immediately....
- fire them
- issue a public apology
- pledge to commit x$$$ to this or that woke cause to # be better
After a few years your brand will be made toxic and the only people attending your university will be cranks, losers and weirdos...
Homeschooled young earth creations who deny the existence of dinosaurs...
There is no such thing as "competing with" Harvard... You either take over Harvard, by quietly rising through it's ranks en masse...
Same way the left took our institutions via a long march...
OR...
You shut up and build your ranks until we can.
I can't stand Curtis Yarvin's so-called "post-libertarianism," but I don't think public education can be transformed into a positive institution. Imo, public education should be completely abolished.
The idea that I heard from Curtis was to turn control over public education absolutely to the parents.
"...a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?"
I'd really like to see you and Curtis have a conversation to clear up any confusion and hash out your ideas.
I’m glad you think he’s wrong. I think he’s right. He doesn’t say do nothing. He says stop doing things which make your enemy stronger. If you manage to do something which makes them weaker then hurray. I like his idea of returning education to the neighborhood.
Adopt a prey animal pose while you gather the strength to actually win. I would think you could accurately reflect his position.
The right doesn’t really have the leaders necessary to actually do anything good. That is why the swamp routs us. The tea party was consumed by McConnell and Ryan. All we got out of it was Massie and Paul.
While I love those two they are a lot less than we thought we were electing.
So what does Yarvin recommend ?
Could not agree more -- and thank you!
As a New College alumna, I have been following this entire saga with fascination and buoyant hopefulness. And, as the mom of a millennial son who teaches at a classical charter academy, I have been especially excited by the possibility that one more beachhead will be established for classical education. As you say, it's mostly symbolic: New College is too small and obscure to matter in itself. But, if y'all can defeat the woke leviathan *there,* you can defeat it anywhere. Bravo and Godspeed!
Excellent work. Rufo is one of the few men who has what it takes to shift the tides of history
president of el salvador, stays quiet for years, take all the power, clean the streets, act like cesar.
chris rufo, own the libs, profit?
Lmao
“Those who exalt themselves shall be humbled, but those who are humble shall be exalted “
I'm no neo reactionary but I understand Yarvin's points, conservatism is not really right wing, and perhaps even more importantly to the point in my mind, it's not libertarian, if you want a return to anything close to what was rightwing in say 1890 or possibly even earlier as some neo reactionaries might want, or if you want libertarianism, a conservative take over of a college is nothing to be happy about, at best it would take that colleges left wing policies back 10 years, but this is woefully inadequate, we have decades of progressive polices that need to be undone that conservatives simply are not stepping up to the plate to do.
Well he has an interesting perspective about "powerology", his views are not idealistic but also not cynical, he follows the tradition of the Italian anti-plutocratic political school of thought (Pareto and Mosca) and correctly uses the term cathedral when describing Western plutocracy
he is very good at analyzing things with deeper refections but less good at proposing solutions
Where can we see this?
Somewhere William F Buckley is smiling. 😊
Keep going as is, Curtis can do his and you do your plan.
This. Let Yarvin preach doom and do nothing, and let Rufo and others attempt to slay the dragons. We’ll all see long term whether doing nothing or doing something has a greater impact.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoethis is actually quite comical to read a mere 10 months after this video was posted because of DeSantis (which is where Chris Rufo seems to think the solution is) dropping out of the 2024 election.
As time goes on, the truth that Curtis preaches becomes more luminescent. At least for me.
We need God Back in Schools.
If weird stuff can be in schools. GOD NEEDS TO BE THERE.
Curtis is right about the Cathedral.
It is more of a synagogue than a cathedral
@9λ Early Life Section. He's half chosenite.
Almost makes you wonder if Yarvin is controlled opposition. I wonder who he believes should be the monarch when it all collapses as he predicts? And telling all courageous men on the right to sit down and wait out out the demise of Western civilization seems covertly traitorous.
@9λ how are his positions "based"
Riding the tiger, but at the same time gauge out its eyes if you can 😉
I think Christopher Rufo is the new IDW, operating alone, and already having a huge, applied impact!
The IDW was huge failure. A joke.
Apart from peterson, what good impact did the IDW have
OUTSTANDING! Keep up the great work!!! We appreciate it and support you 110%!!
I’m so glad you responded! Ultimately the Yarvins of the world won’t save us 🤷🏻♀️
They won't
Yarvins are there to prevent you from making mistakes and wasting enargy while saving yourself
I typically appreciate your takes but I think you missed the mark on Yarvin. What Yarvin is saying is is that wokeness is written in the fabric of the American tradition. It is the religion of the American elite and it didn't start in 2013. 2013 is when people just happen to start noticing because noticing was too difficult to ignore. His point is that its the exact same doctrine of the Ivy's from back in the 90s, 80s, 70s, and so forth and a traceable lineage that goes back centuries in a historical tradition which conservatives refuse to break out from. The futility, he says, in your approach is that you still operate within this traditional paradigm which he views as completely divorced from the actual history of American tradition (the Left have always been the elite and little Right wing resistance has done nothing but delay the onset because the Right has no historical continuity, it merely acts as a complainer of Left wing radical movements throughout American history). So trying to get rid of wokeness is like trying to uproot the entire American tradition. I often suggest people listen to his podcast with Thaddeus Russell and Batya Ungar Sargon where he offers a compelling case that shows to actually beat this thing you need to be willing to seriously replace all of it not just some stop gap measures. And replacing all of it means a decentralized move that is also coordinated where everyone is on the same page and its a shock not something people can constantly prepare for because they have the high ground with regards to institutional power.
But steps like Rufos are HOW you build those alternatives. Yarvin’s analysis may be correct but he offers no practical steps to counter the state of affairs.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe He beats around the bush because thats the only way the so called right wing is allowed to communicate. The concept of right wing in itself is inherently monarchical because it is derived from the French revolution with respect to the monarchic loyalists. Unfortunately, "America" is a left wing country since its inception and in order to for the right to have power and to continue to gain power, it must do what is against the right wing / conservative credo: Become unreasonable
Yarvin says a bunch of things, and this is only one of them. From his perspective, Wokeism is just the latest manifestation of American Puritanism. I don't know if I agree but it is definitely food for thought.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe I don't think that is a fair critique of Yarvin from what I heard in his conversation with Auron. Beside his critique of the New College project (which he made admitting he didn't know everything about it), he had a much more radical proposal: hand over control of ALL public schools 100% to parents, including hiring/firing decisions and curriculum. Radical decentralization.
@@andyjones1982 Consider the fact that American elites (and increasingly global elites) are basically bred through the Ivy league schools (Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Brown, etc) and that these schools are all based out of New England. The New England Puritanism is the ruling religion of the American elite and have been so since America's inception. That's the historical lineage of what people call wokeness which is just the latest iteration as you pointed out. If one were to replace all professors clothing at these institutions with frocks and started putting crosses on the walls (today its increasingly the rainbow flag) but the professors changed nothing of their rubric or lesson plan, nothing would change but it would formalize what is effectively the same doctrinal approach. When people say this or that is just like the witch trials or it is a witch trial, one never steps back and considers the implications of what that actually means. It reflects a historical continuity aka a tradition that goes as far back as prior to the declaration of independence. What Yarvin suggests or at leasts tries to provide is an ability to step out of the enlightenment framework for anyone opposed to this nonsense because trying to win in in ones opposition's frame is destined for failure or as the left says that one can't dismantle the system by using the master's tools.
Chris I agree with your message for the most part.
I humbly would like to give you some advice. Count how many times you say “uh” and “um” in your videos. I can imagine it’s hard when you’re doing everything in the flow the way you are but the space fillers you’re relying on can make it hard to listen and follow your argument.
Best
Agreed. Working on it. Appreciate the feedback.
I don't really see the point of this video, you didn't really address yarvins arguments, you just assert that small right wing victories are going to snowball into an overwhelming cultural victory. Has this ever happened in history? Certainly not within capitalist liberal democracy.
Rather than optimism, this just sounds like naivete.
That whole calling it "The Cathedral" sounds like it's a case of wolves in sheep's clothing to me.
Give Yarvin's ideas some attention if you have time. It's worth it.
Absolutely! Doomerism is a terrible problem. How much better to stand up with confidence.
If you shout a bunch of nonsense, propaganda and lies, like Rufo, but do it confidently then the most absurd things will be believed by the gullible in fear...
What do you fear?
Education and Diversity.
Why are you people complaining about dark skin characters in movies?
I thought the phrase you love to use is "judge me by character, not skin"
And so, what does it matter what color skin a character has?
Culture is not defined by skin color right?
So why the outrage?
A darker skin Tinkerbell doesn't make her "black"
She could be as conservative as Candice Owens, love religion and Trump... But since you're all looking at the skin color and not the character.....
See, you're all racists if you complain about "race swapping" the same Ritz boys complaining about how "people should get to play whatever they want"
Unless you're black, then you can't play a viking northerner as if only white people can be born in the north in viking culture?
No, they were also mixed..
Get over it, diversity and mixing is good...
Proof?
The Military. conservative's abusive boyfriend, used as mercenaries to deal death and destruction, remember that famous football guy who joined military after 9/11?
what they did to him is horrible...But what happened to that hero will happen to anyone who speaks out against the systems, systems which you and rufo are fighting to keep in place.
Good job loser
He's only a doomer about your terrible plan. Not in general.
Don't worry, fall backwards into the bathtub a few more times, and you'll see
@@coopermiller5836 he's only a doomer with regard to right-wing ideas his liberal bias won't let him accept. Almost like he's just there to sabotage the right.
But by all means, keep being a dead fish. It totally isn't pathetic.
@@coopermiller5836 He has a plan? By the way, personal attacks are not arguments.
@@RSAgility Admit it--Rufo and his approach are your biggest fear because it unmasks Marxism. You prefer that freedom loving people be demoralized.
I'm so glad my wife and I give monthly to Chris' work. He is achieving far beyond my wildest dreams. His combination of smarts and practical action is impressive.
.... : /
Glad you pushed back, his analogies of recent are just not good and often can be framed in more accurate ways - for example, what you and the others are doing in FL are the ACTUAL acorn songs sprouting up to become the future oak. Yes his analogy works on other "conservative" issues - marginal tax rates comes to mind - but not in your case. He's very frustrating in his he applies his analogies as of recent.
I'm somewhat suspicious of Yarvin's "Cathedral" concept. If I find a Cathedral to be full of Jews, I'd tend to assume I was actually in a synagogue.
I have to learn more about this college. I may see if I can send my grandson there instead of UF
"In the world you shall have distress. But have confidence. I have overcome the world." Jn 16:33
The thing that I find flawed about his hobbits versus elves thing, is that it sort of shows a veil of contempt for flyover country people, but he is also a drinker and a neurotic jew and these people can be somewhat nihilist.
Why do you think hobbits are contemptible?
Glad you took on Yarvin. He's an interesting guy and I appreciate some of his insights like how power doesn't like to be named or exposed. Would love to see you guys have a talk but sometimes he's frustrating in audio. Interrupts a lot and can be long winded.
"can be" long winded 😚☺
@@gulanhem9495 Another way of saying that he's a "philosopher."
@@gulanhem9495 LOL yeah he was on with Tim Dillon and I was like goddamn man allow for some back and forth.
Yes. Anyone who does a sit-down talk with Yarvin must be prepared to stop him interrupting. People shouldn't be intimidated.
@@tolpacourt It's pretty annoying. Why I prefer to read him.
It's a good thing Ron DeSantis is going after Wokeism in Education but DeSantis should also try to evaluate health care , housing , agriculture , ect because there's actually a lot of Wokeism in those things to.
Thank you and keep Playing, Dont give Up!
Babylon is Falling Chris!!!!
To God the Glory!
Your comparison of Yarvin's strategy to that of a prey animal is apt. Prey animals, such as mammals, are what inherited the earth after the dinosaurs went extinct. If you believe the cyclical view of history, you KNOW that today's dinosaurs will go extinct too.
Once you start noticing the "a" pauses in Rufo's speech pattern it's hard to ignore.
I was going to say the same about Yarvin's "'umms"
Working on it!
@@jackiepuppet_5324 Was thinking the same thing…lol.
When Lent is over, would you be willing to chat with Charles Haywood (The Worthy House, Foundationalism)
Let this movement spread across our country. Education institutions should open minds to all thought and debate, "including" conservatism. Thank you for this powerful work!!
Say NO to defeatism, nihilism, doom & gloom 👍.
The New College is a win, but not such a absolute win that the Cathedral will be able to attack it. If New College is defeated by the Cathedral it will cause demoralization will be increased. The anti DEI legislation works better if there are dark elves at those institutions. They might be able to make those policies stick instead of being circumvented.
Christopher Rufo, you are doing great things, man! There are many conservative commentators, who are sounding the call, but only a few directly involved, with action beyond the alarm. You're making things happen in the real world, not just in our hopeful minds. I agree with your assessment of Yarvin. He's fun because he provides a sort of literary and historical and intellectual entertainment buzz. He is like a smart kid sitting at the cool table. But Yarvin does not seem to be a conservative with his political views, although he seems to have strong family values in his personal life. I feel like Yarvin's also a Trojan horse for communism, like Tokyo, Rose, he's always saying give up the fight because you've already lost, etc. Christopher Rufo, I bought your new book, America's cultural revolution! Keep on fighting for the free world!
You've gotta stack wins. Winners inspire winning. Power attracts power.
With this guy I feel like ‘we’re gonna win so much we will get tired of winning
Everyone should read Curtis because he hasn’t been proven wrong…
Don't worry Chris, 'real liberalism' will save us.
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Yarvin is Jewish. But regardless his point in part, is how do you enforce these anti-woke rules? And what is an effective college, will you allow “fair” disagreement or will you ban liberal professors? If you don’t outright exclude them you will lose overtime.
Yall need to give those savings back to students & their parents... if people actually saw a financial benefit to sending their children to conservative institutions, they'd demand more such-like institutions & market forces would cause liberal universities to cut costs to compete... and what programs do you think they'd cut first to get to a competitive price-point?!?!😊
But they have kept the liberal staff, are they crazy. When this achieves nothing all the energy will have been wasted
Why is no one blaming Citizens United!?
Thank you!!
It is very hard to be optimistic about "Conservative" progress. It sounds like an oxymoron to even say Conservative progress because is that really what Conservatives offer? Isn't the nature of Conservatives to maintain the status quo? I would by no means say "Progressives" are progressing unless you consider convincing your baby sitter to give you drugs and letting you stay up late is progress. But again it does beg the question how are Conservatives going to progress things? I think it's a painful truth to realize that the Conservative movement lacks a vision. So far all they got is stop the Woke....which I'm all for but after the Woke are stopped what's going to fill in its place?
Yarvin has far-left followers? I think you're confusing him with Nick Land.
You will live to see horrors beyond your imagination.
We already do!
Curtis has had some good ideas in the past, but he is wrong about this. Perhaps because of envy that Rufo is more effective than him?
Curtis' critique was not adequately explained here, to the point of being misleading. This is defensive behavior on Rufo's part.
@@andyjones1982 Which specific parts do you think Rufo got wrong?
Yarvin being envious of Rufu? Thats the silliest thing ill read today, and its 6am.
@@dancooper4733 Why do you think it's silly? Rufo was recently appointed to oversee a far left college and went in fired the college president. Rufo is playing the game, and Yarvin is sitting on the sidelines commentating.
On reflection ' this guy is realistic in his strategy ' honest in his opinion ' and true in his ideology " best of luck in your future " hopeful in the outcome
I want my boys(Marines) on every corner.
Nietzche ended christian clerical tradition.
(liberalism)
Love the pragmatic work you are doing. You are providing the template. Thank you!
I am with Rufo...100%%%%%%%%%%%%
This dude payed no attention to the idea of ‘proscription’ that Yarvin talks about in order to peacefully uproot the system and make life better.
This was great. I really love Curtis, but hearing a strong critique of him is always nice.
So I have to believe Curtis, that was right every single time so far in every prediction he has made, is suddenly wrong about this? And that Rufo, who doesnt seem to understand at all his points, is right? lol lmao
Rufo's reaction to this is the true doomerfuel
Exactly.
lol Rufo you really dont get him, so when are you actually debating Curtis?
Get em Chris! If you need help let me know.
Moldbug rules!
youve convinced me now desantis needs to stay in florida and continue his inspirational work, rather than move to washington
Finally
Surprised Yarvin can summon the will to get out of bed in the morning.
Thank you for responding to this. I think you're absolutely right. And it’s a good idea to bring Yarvin into the conversation. He is influential in various circles. Time to make him more public.
You're giving us hope ❤
False, But yes.
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Incredible initiative. We all love Curtis but don't be dissuaded by his weird pills...
Imagine not having a sense of European (white) identity...I can't because I'm not conservative
Yarvin is a fool and ironically sounds a lot like Foucault. Keep up the good work chris.
I hope Curtis is wrong & that this actually works. Best of luck, but I think Lord Yarvin is unfortunately correct.
I love it!
Yarvin cred >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours.