"YOUR WELCOME" with Michael Malice

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  • Michael Malice (“YOUR WELCOME”) invites political theorist, Curtis Yarvin and comedian Dave Smith onto the show to debate the pros and cons of anarchism. This is an episode you won't want to miss!
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  • @BILLYLTD1408
    @BILLYLTD1408 Год назад +837

    If you're listening to Curtis Yarvin and doing absolutely nothing else, you are still, in fact, multitasking.

    • @nerdimmunity7672
      @nerdimmunity7672 Год назад +11

      Haaa

    • @sarahjerose1749
      @sarahjerose1749 Год назад +9

      😆

    • @DogOneIsOpen
      @DogOneIsOpen Год назад +11

      Excellent line hah so true

    • @adidabax6809
      @adidabax6809 Год назад +18

      I learned nothing but he likes to say 'sorta kinda sorta kinda.'

    • @TB-ni4ur
      @TB-ni4ur Год назад +36

      You can take the guy out of the bay area, you can't take the bay area out of the kid... Unless you've seen it, it's hard to understand, but talking in circles and the mental gymnastics is a part of the culture, primarily to confuse less sophisticated people so they don't want to argue back...

  • @mdleavitt
    @mdleavitt Год назад +347

    There fact Curtis was still talking as Michael signed off was perfect!

    • @richardnokes6752
      @richardnokes6752 Год назад

      Dave Has A Big D!ck And A Big Life...

    • @BillyGlides
      @BillyGlides Год назад +22

      Now I want to see Michael mediate a discussion between Curtis and Jesse Lee Peterson

    • @のむ-san
      @のむ-san Год назад +5

      @@BillyGlides hahaha 😂

    • @skylanh4319
      @skylanh4319 Год назад +5

      A conversation between Curtis and Malcolm Nance would be the longest introduction ever. Two hours in and they still would not have gotten to the topic. Curtis would have told his entire life story and Nance would have strung every word in the dictionary together without making a single point.

    • @outdoorloser4340
      @outdoorloser4340 Год назад

      Micheal Leavitt? Hey that's my family last name.

  • @sendadiestra7203
    @sendadiestra7203 Год назад +282

    Books mentioned during the debate:
    Mises, Ludwig von: _Human Action_
    Burnham, James: _The Machiavellians_
    Hans-Hermann Hoppe: _Democracy, the god that failed_
    Woods, Thomas: _How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization_
    List, Friedrich: _The National System of Political Economy_
    Grant, James: _The Forgotten Depression: 1921, the Crash that Cured Itself_
    Garret, Garet: _The Bubble that Broke the World_
    Other authors mentioned:
    Murray Rothbard, Adam Smith, Robert Nozick, Friedrich Hayek

    • @januarysson5633
      @januarysson5633 Год назад +11

      Thanks. I took a screenshot of this comment to add them to my reading list so I’ll know what they’re talking about next time. Sounds interesting.

    • @canmattfield
      @canmattfield Год назад +5

      I also took a screenshot! Was listening while driving and was annoyed that I was going to have to go back and ffw through to find these... doing the lords work!

    • @timothylongfield3640
      @timothylongfield3640 Год назад +1

      You could give this list even if you hadn’t watched the video.

    • @hansgullickson4080
      @hansgullickson4080 Год назад

      I also took a screenshot.

    • @Galgus2000
      @Galgus2000 Год назад +1

      As someone who doesn't know much about Nozick beyond A Tale of a Slave, for which Curtis' interpretation was baffling, I'm curious why Michael Malice hates Nozick.

  • @davidallen7404
    @davidallen7404 Год назад +302

    Is the segment with Dave Smith going to be in a part 2? If so when will that segment be uploaded?

    • @GrumblingsMedia
      @GrumblingsMedia Год назад +10

      Too funny!

    • @januarysson5633
      @januarysson5633 Год назад +9

      But at least the “uhm, uhms” were at a minimum. 😅

    • @ericbwertz
      @ericbwertz Год назад +6

      @@januarysson5633 Gratefully YES. I pressed play on my podcast app with great trepidation.

    • @Eirenarch
      @Eirenarch Год назад +3

      It has been uploaded - ruclips.net/video/wVF0U4Qm6Fg/видео.html

  • @jdchannelviewer
    @jdchannelviewer Год назад +77

    Malice should have made an exception, given two guests, gone two hours. This was too good of a conversation and the internet needed much more.

  • @srslyjosh
    @srslyjosh Год назад +153

    The ‘Your Welcome’ chime cutting off Yarvin at the end - as he tried to interject one last time - was perfect and obviously intentional

    • @acethirtysix8378
      @acethirtysix8378 Год назад +14

      It's up there with the Jessie Lee Peterson ending for sure

    • @smoothALOE
      @smoothALOE Год назад +1

      @@acethirtysix8378I was thinking the same thing, haha!

  • @shane727
    @shane727 Год назад +193

    This Yarvin guy sure is loquacious

    • @tactics40
      @tactics40 Год назад +36

      He's also very talkative.

    • @chesscomsupport8689
      @chesscomsupport8689 Год назад +47

      @@tactics40 Not only is he loquacious and talkative, he also likes to speak a lot.

    • @Orgotheonemancult
      @Orgotheonemancult Год назад +13

      Not very quiet either...

    • @Steve83B
      @Steve83B Год назад +7

      @@chesscomsupport8689seems like to the type to not let you get a word in either

    • @adidabax6809
      @adidabax6809 Год назад +6

      Saying 'sorta kinda' every few words isn't quite what I think that means.

  • @Bell-kc1hk
    @Bell-kc1hk Год назад +154

    Malice translating Curtis for Dave 😂

    • @solsurvivor5899
      @solsurvivor5899 Год назад

      Lulz

    • @gabriel-uc1uz
      @gabriel-uc1uz Год назад +24

      Translating for us all, he is an intelligent person clearly but his tangents tend take twist and turns before finally reaching a point that have been stated much more simply.

    • @billflipper1130
      @billflipper1130 Год назад

      Facts!

    • @aloysiusdevadander19
      @aloysiusdevadander19 Год назад +3

      @@gabriel-uc1uz that's the best thing about Yarvin

    • @TB-ni4ur
      @TB-ni4ur Год назад +16

      @@gabriel-uc1uz That's not a virtue... It's a skill primary utilized on the left to confuse and obfuscate simple observations with weird and abstract analogies which is certainly not productive when having intellectual discussions with like-minded people. His "Newtonian Physics" punchline may have a desired impact with non-technical liberal arts type thinkers, but it's an overly trivial way of attempting to pretentiously say a theory is overly idealistic and not accounting for enough nuance. Why try to be cute with a simple concept. Obfuscation. If an opponent is scratching their head trying to figure out what in the world you're talking about, they're not focused on their next point.

  • @troypisano5409
    @troypisano5409 Год назад +487

    Yarvin, the master of taking 15 minutes to make a 30 second point.

    • @The_Original_Default_Username
      @The_Original_Default_Username Год назад +43

      He loves to hear his own voice

    • @ilovebreadtoo
      @ilovebreadtoo Год назад +30

      This is my first time listening to him and that’s my first impression.

    • @Talk378
      @Talk378 Год назад +22

      In a good way

    • @barrydworak
      @barrydworak Год назад +42

      I'm zoning out trying to listen. I have a hard time following his meanderings, and it's not because I'm slow.
      He is the spoken equivalent of the three page run-on sentence without any punctuation.

    • @adidabax6809
      @adidabax6809 Год назад +19

      With 50 'sorta kinda' mentions along the way

  • @forcedanonymity1791
    @forcedanonymity1791 Год назад +52

    Dave has grown over the years to be quite poised and thoughtful in his responses to difficult arguments.

  • @kurt9880
    @kurt9880 Год назад +236

    Be sure to invite your progressive, democracy loving relatives.

    • @dionysusyphus
      @dionysusyphus Год назад +3

      &/or relativists lbs 😄

    • @NuanceOverDogma
      @NuanceOverDogma Год назад

      That’s not how this works.

    • @cdavidlake2
      @cdavidlake2 Год назад

      It's anti-democratic to even think that. Let me guess: January 6th wasn't an insurrection, either.

    • @leetommerson639
      @leetommerson639 Год назад +24

      @@cdavidlake2 no. Stop regurgitating everything you see on TV.

    • @detrockcity3
      @detrockcity3 Год назад +5

      @@leetommerson639 I’d bet good money he’s speaking in jest.

  • @nahiag
    @nahiag Год назад +239

    About 15 minutes in and so far it sounds like Dave's fears was justified.

    • @ACDC392333
      @ACDC392333 Год назад +6

      What were his fears?

    • @shamanstudios3463
      @shamanstudios3463 Год назад +4

      No kidding.

    • @texasmade9797
      @texasmade9797 Год назад +29

      This guy is the worst , Dave was correct to think it was going to happen

    • @nameunavailable1330
      @nameunavailable1330 Год назад +8

      He had Dave on the ropes until the fiftieth minute and then Dave started to knocked it out.

    • @adidabax6809
      @adidabax6809 Год назад +11

      And in the 16th minute the guy who says "Sorta kinda" beat the guy who says "like like."

  • @emmanuelpressley7267
    @emmanuelpressley7267 Год назад +75

    Curtis has the voice of a man who knits his own clothing

  • @justsayinyo8703
    @justsayinyo8703 Год назад +29

    Curtis looks so depressed when he isn’t talking…

  • @skyyhighh6685
    @skyyhighh6685 Год назад +132

    Malice ignoring Yarvin's "I had a great point to make" at the end and then not asking Dave the question to end the show is a god tier trolling.

    • @adidabax6809
      @adidabax6809 Год назад +4

      I didn't make it that far, but he failed to do that the entire 30 minutes I gave him. Be prepared, dude.

    • @geesixnine
      @geesixnine Год назад +1

      Classic Malice

  • @Drewbie176
    @Drewbie176 Год назад +24

    I'm going to have to side with Yarvin on this one, because at one point Dave said he liked Ben Burgis, and I find that unforgivable

  • @Trevalion
    @Trevalion Год назад +169

    The biggest compliment I can give Curtis Yarvin is that he is actually 95% as smart as he thinks he is.

    • @chesscomsupport8689
      @chesscomsupport8689 Год назад +18

      That's the best backhanded compliment I've heard in a long while.

    • @Trevalion
      @Trevalion Год назад +57

      @@chesscomsupport8689 I don't even think it's backhanded. He's legitimately brilliant, just wish he was better at synthesizing his thoughts into less words

    • @chesscomsupport8689
      @chesscomsupport8689 Год назад +7

      @@Trevalion Yeah, I see what you're saying. "Backhanded" it putting it a bit too strongly.

    • @drewmueller4609
      @drewmueller4609 Год назад +3

      That's whats so irritating about him, haha

    • @F1r3w4t3r
      @F1r3w4t3r Год назад +1

      @@Trevalion Amen brother

  • @SMDaboobity
    @SMDaboobity Год назад +59

    This episode is the reason Dave wanted a debate format

    • @omgjimmyboy
      @omgjimmyboy Год назад +4

      Yeah malice really dropped the ball, Dave saw this coming, and Michael is supposed to be an anarchist I don’t understand how he could be afraid of debates.

    • @jesse123185
      @jesse123185 Год назад +4

      @omgjimmyboy I don't think he's afraid of a debate. I think it actually makes it easier on yarvin this way because he has a hard time with spoken rhetoric which is pretty much what a debate comes down to.
      I personally don't like debates and yarvin isn't good at any conversation where he has to speak on a specific topic he rambles and meanders saying whatever comes to his head. This whole conversation would be way better as an email exchange between Dave and Yarv then they could go on a show and discuss their thoughts.
      I like Yarvin he's a bright guy but he's best when he's writing out his thoughts he's totally outclassed by Dave in this environment

  • @ethanrumley746
    @ethanrumley746 Год назад +36

    I legitimately fell asleep twice trying to get through this
    7/10 will try a third

  • @Thurman_Merm
    @Thurman_Merm Год назад +6

    So many complaints about Yarvin rambling. I ❤️ it! Plz plz plz MOAR! This was an amazing convo and I can't wait to see 3 of the most brilliant minds together again soon.

  • @paulfroelich1024
    @paulfroelich1024 Год назад +20

    Yarvin has a great sense of humor about himself, that's my thoughtful take.

  • @BLINK4444
    @BLINK4444 Год назад +92

    Yarvin holding the burp is one of the best parts so far

  • @Melinda_B62
    @Melinda_B62 Год назад +17

    I love respectful debates such as this where each participant is allowed to speak their piece without interruption. I also love watching Michael crack up in laughter & losing it - & fighting to regain his composure. 🤣

  • @mysteryman6918
    @mysteryman6918 Год назад +10

    A Curtis Yarvin vid brought to you by Progressive Insurance… the wonders of the world will never cease

  • @ineedmymodfixed
    @ineedmymodfixed Год назад +19

    Curtis looks like he is Dave and Michaels child

    • @cujo3357
      @cujo3357 Год назад

      Antifa go and learn real basic biology .

  • @spanishb1
    @spanishb1 Год назад +16

    You know what, the hand held 🎤 move by Curtis has turned out to be a really brilliant move.

  • @rabidkitten01
    @rabidkitten01 Год назад +16

    It was so funny at around the 26 minute mark Michael just cut out Dave's camera like it was just having Curtis on as a guest 😅

  • @intivism
    @intivism Год назад +5

    This was so fun. And the comedic cut at the end while Curtis was starting a story was perfect.

  • @perchdaddy
    @perchdaddy Год назад +50

    One trick is to tell stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

    • @synewparadigm
      @synewparadigm Год назад +4

      😂

    • @iankclark
      @iankclark Год назад

      Yep, I reckon.

    • @treesurgeon2441
      @treesurgeon2441 Год назад +10

      "Three wars back we called sauerkraut "liberty cabbage" and we called liberty cabbage "super slaw" and back then a suitcase was known as a "Swedish lunchbox." Of course, nobody knew that but me. Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling."

    • @snicky58
      @snicky58 Год назад

      Grandpa Simpson? Is that you?👋

    • @Muataran
      @Muataran Год назад +2

      "Gimme five bees for a quarter," made me laugh harder than it should have.

  • @abyss87walker
    @abyss87walker Год назад +68

    I need 3 more hours of this.

    • @blakephillips8649
      @blakephillips8649 Год назад +21

      The general recommendation is that you get 8 hours of sleep

    • @abyss87walker
      @abyss87walker Год назад

      @@blakephillips8649 Nighty-night dumb-dumb

    • @adidabax6809
      @adidabax6809 Год назад +1

      If you take out the one dude saying "sorta kinda" and the other saying "like like like" this would have been 15 minutes.

    • @FazeParticles
      @FazeParticles Год назад +2

      Agreed. More Moldbug and Dave

  • @snesleywipessqueegeeservices
    @snesleywipessqueegeeservices Год назад +42

    What are the odds that we'll be able to produce one page of crisp bullet points to summarise the discussion today?

    • @bracholi
      @bracholi Год назад +6

      -1:■

    • @adidabax6809
      @adidabax6809 Год назад +5

      1) Sorta kinda. 2) Like like like.

    • @joeylummox7330
      @joeylummox7330 Год назад +14

      1. Standing up a pencil
      2. Sorta kinda
      3. Sorta kinda
      4. Sorta kinda

    • @Eirenarch
      @Eirenarch Год назад +3

      Moldbug says libertarianism (by which he means the Austrian School of Economics) is like Nutonian Physics, you can pretend that is how the world works but it really isn't. Makes some good points baiting Dave to say that killing the commies in Russia at the start of the 20th century before they did anything would be a good thing and then notes that it would be violation of the NAP. Then proceeds to explain that Hoppe has taught him that libertarianism doesn't work. Strange because Hoppe is an ancap and Moldbug never says where he disagrees with Hoppe. He doesn't let Dave talk much :)

    • @Galgus2000
      @Galgus2000 Год назад

      @Eirenarch Dave then managed to get in the point that Austrian economics actually does describe how the world works, but that it's ignored with awful consequences.
      And that it's easier to say post hoc that it'd have been better to kill the communists.
      As you say, Dave didn't get much time to talk and there was little real back and forth.
      More just Curtis going back to his monolog.

  • @jacobhelgeson3038
    @jacobhelgeson3038 Год назад +24

    😆
    I know how smart Yarvin is, but Godamn is there a LOT of fat on his thoughts

    • @scottfreedoms9584
      @scottfreedoms9584 Год назад +6

      Really good way to put it.

    • @PTS74
      @PTS74 Год назад +8

      He'd reach a larger audience if he could make the effort to be concise. I always have to listen to his podcast episodes twice, as I feel like cartain points are missed the first time around, due to the density of his explainations.

    • @demun6065
      @demun6065 Год назад +9

      @@PTS74 I feel like that would make him less authentic. The roundabout way in which he thinks is probably how he develops such great understanding on a given topic.

    • @cecilcharlesofficial
      @cecilcharlesofficial Год назад

      then maybe...

    • @justinfitzpatrick013
      @justinfitzpatrick013 Год назад +2

      Listening to him is good calisthenics for attention span

  • @dionysusyphus
    @dionysusyphus Год назад +16

    waited for this collab for so long

  • @emZee1994
    @emZee1994 Год назад +8

    Yarvin is absolutely correct about describing Hoppe as the key to escaping Plato's Cave if you're a Libertarian, or almost. When I was a Libertarian Hoppe got me so far out the cave I was seeing the light, but Yarvin got me so firmly outside I couldn't even see the cave, and I haven't looked back since
    I love it when Yarvin just goes on a rant for like an hour haha so entertaining and yet educational. *All hail our God Emperor King Curtis Yarvin*

    • @Giorginho
      @Giorginho 3 месяца назад

      Are you Jewish?

  • @trmpt73
    @trmpt73 Год назад +29

    Yes, Yarvin talked a lot, but as a big fan of Smith/Malice, I pretty much know Dave's world view and answers. I found it interesting to hear more about Yarvin's views and points.

    • @Pau11Wa11
      @Pau11Wa11 Год назад +4

      It takes so long for him to make a point it’s hard to recall what he’s even responding to.

  • @tomscullin
    @tomscullin Год назад +3

    "There was a bee tied to my belt because there was an onion at the time." lol that was great

  • @jansonhensen7804
    @jansonhensen7804 Год назад +33

    Would love a regular podcast with these three.

  • @kyrman6038
    @kyrman6038 Год назад +21

    When I learned about financial incentives I started calling myself a libertarian. When I learned about power incentives I stopped calling myself a libertarian.

    • @dikdynasty234
      @dikdynasty234 Год назад

      Money is power, no?

    • @TheRomano725
      @TheRomano725 Год назад +3

      ​@@dikdynasty234 power is power

    • @dikdynasty234
      @dikdynasty234 Год назад +1

      @@TheRomano725 Oh, thanks so much for clarifying! Makes sense now…

    • @mouwersor
      @mouwersor Год назад +3

      @@dikdynasty234 The use of currency is a subset of all power.

    • @DrugsForRobots
      @DrugsForRobots Год назад

      What is power?

  • @jam199716
    @jam199716 Год назад +21

    Really interesting conversation! You should make this a regular thing

    • @ptb4049
      @ptb4049 Год назад +1

      Second😎

    • @TonyO8187
      @TonyO8187 Год назад +1

      Please no, I can't listen to Curtis make round about analogies for another hour without making a direct argument.

  • @crazando
    @crazando Год назад +4

    Honestly I love the whole group and I would tune in often if they had their own podcast. And I never do podcasts

  • @Caltex2010
    @Caltex2010 Год назад +5

    Great episode. Michael did a tremendous job keeping Curtis' penchant for long monologues in check, which was much to Curtis' benefit.

  • @dylanholt9906
    @dylanholt9906 Год назад +14

    That was quick.

  • @nicholasbailey6236
    @nicholasbailey6236 Год назад +4

    In summary, evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

  • @christianrussell7657
    @christianrussell7657 Год назад +11

    Love Dave, but i think this is more of a debate for a Tom Woods type to handle

  • @omgjimmyboy
    @omgjimmyboy Год назад +4

    That latitude joke about Haiti and Iceland was pretty hilarious, Yarvin is a funny guy

    • @moviereviews1446
      @moviereviews1446 Год назад

      Where does he make the joke?

    • @omgjimmyboy
      @omgjimmyboy Год назад

      @@moviereviews1446 I think it’s like about 10-15 mins in

  • @hariwilliams8208
    @hariwilliams8208 Год назад +12

    I think any episode with Curtis you need like 2 or 3 hours with him

    • @crazando
      @crazando Год назад +2

      He is such an amazing thinker

    • @Giorginho
      @Giorginho 3 месяца назад

      @@crazandonope

  • @Sluttybags
    @Sluttybags Год назад +217

    Legend says Yarvin is still saying what his favourite part of the show was, to this day.

  • @Caligula138
    @Caligula138 Год назад +12

    Curtis drinking a 22oz can of Budweiser while Dave took a sip from his glass of Boubon/whiskey was eye opening

  • @SeveredLegs
    @SeveredLegs Год назад +2

    Yarvin rambles too much. It's anyone explaining to him in advance that we don't want to hear a long version of everything, ever?

  • @alw1915
    @alw1915 Год назад +9

    First time hearing Curtis Yarvin. I can see why in his previous episode Dave felt they needed a debate style setup if he were to sit in with Curtis. The dude makes an Alex Jones monologue look like tiktok compared to how long winded he can be.

    • @Rhodiac
      @Rhodiac Год назад +4

      Watch him on tucker, you get used to it and he makes great points

  • @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy
    @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy Год назад +2

    I love how Malice is able to gently (and sometimes not so gently) wrangle and direct Yarvin's immense energy while keeping good humor about the whole thing.

  • @ianshumway7597
    @ianshumway7597 3 дня назад

    This needs to be turned into a three hour long in-person conversation

  • @dj-mu9ue
    @dj-mu9ue Год назад +4

    I had a bead tied to my belt because it was the onion at the time... lol nice Simpson reference

  • @chase_k23
    @chase_k23 Год назад +4

    It's hard to recognize the KISS band member without the makeup on.

  • @BS-we7xp
    @BS-we7xp Год назад +10

    Had to listen to this at 1.5x speed. Curtis took to many Xanax this podcast.

  • @beareggers
    @beareggers Год назад +9

    I knew if you let Curtis talk long enough, he'd say the n-word.

  • @father3dollarbill
    @father3dollarbill Год назад +5

    Can this guy speak? Imagine asking him what the time is. He'll definitely mention 3 random books and obscure political science.

    • @adidabax6809
      @adidabax6809 Год назад

      "Sorta kinda sorta kinda." Ugh.

    • @zachbaker778
      @zachbaker778 Год назад +1

      Sorry everything wasn’t made cookie-cutter for you sweetie

  • @f__kyoudegenerates
    @f__kyoudegenerates Год назад +1

    You can't violate the NAP against people who don't support the NAP. If someone does not follow the NAP they are willing to violate peoples rights or support someone who violates rights.

  • @GrumblingsMedia
    @GrumblingsMedia Год назад +5

    This guy Yarvin is obviously intelligent, but he has or rather lacks an ability to put his points in laymen terms and his analogies need work. Again, think laymen terms Yarvin.

    • @fishcreek8579
      @fishcreek8579 Год назад

      Michael was begging Dave to have him on. I find him far less boring than Dave.

  • @davesantos2514
    @davesantos2514 Год назад +12

    Three minds where each forces the others to up their games. Love it. Need more of this.

    • @CloverPickingHarp
      @CloverPickingHarp Год назад +1

      I wouldn't exactly say that Smith forces Yarvin to up his game, although Malice surely does.

    • @Caltex2010
      @Caltex2010 Год назад +1

      @@CloverPickingHarp Dave is a tremendous communicator, but he's not the theorist. Michael and Curtis definitely live in the area of ideas much more. It was interesting to see Michael acting as the translator and helping Curtis translate his ideas, as that's definitely an area Curtis struggles.

    • @davesantos2514
      @davesantos2514 Год назад

      @@CloverPickingHarp semantics. Smith forces Yarvin to pay more attention. I doubt Smith forces Yarvin to play his best game, but he definitely forces Yarvin to play a better game than he can often get away with playing.
      It is strange to listen as a common idiot, and to feel as though I'm recognizing simple and or obvious points that they seem to miss. I wish I was able to ask in those moments if they're just missing them or if I'm really really really dumb.

  • @TopShelfTheology
    @TopShelfTheology Год назад +6

    I absolutely love your obvious post production interruptions for Patriot Gold.

  • @Hank_scorp1o
    @Hank_scorp1o Год назад +2

    “Give me 5 bees for a quarter you’d say.”

    • @KB-zn3wg
      @KB-zn3wg Год назад

      "No white onions, because of the war. They only had the big yellow ones."

  • @Wulgreath
    @Wulgreath Год назад +7

    I think the only thing that stops Malice from reigning in Yarvin fully is their familiarity. The only other host I've seen wrangle him as well is Ben Boyce.
    Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if I'd rather see Ben on Malice's show, or vice versa.

    • @iankclark
      @iankclark Год назад

      A like both but that’s a stretch.

    • @Confucius_76
      @Confucius_76 Год назад

      Alex Jones wrangled him pretty well too, or at least forced him to make his points very quickly

  • @danwroy
    @danwroy Год назад +1

    Eight months later, not a day goes by that I don't find myself talking about this discussion

  • @Obidarthkenobi
    @Obidarthkenobi Год назад +19

    The next episode of Your Welcome will start with 15 minutes of Yarvin saying what his favorite part of what Dave said was

    • @bridgebum826
      @bridgebum826 Год назад +6

      There's more unused footage for this episode than for all of The Lord of the Rings.

  • @pnmwngy1
    @pnmwngy1 Год назад +12

    We need to roll back the state

  • @mattstiglic
    @mattstiglic Год назад +34

    Is it just me, or does Curtis have a sort of Norm Macdonald-esque delivery to his humorous anecdotes/jokes?

    • @adidabax6809
      @adidabax6809 Год назад +4

      Were there jokes? No. Norm doesn't say "kinda sorta" every few words.

    • @JonathanSchattke
      @JonathanSchattke Год назад

      wait, you noticed jokes? Give me timestamps, man, not just pretend. Pics or it didn't happen.

    • @drewmueller4609
      @drewmueller4609 Год назад +4

      @@JonathanSchattke nouveau riche was pretty funny

    • @willisfritz4562
      @willisfritz4562 Год назад +1

      it's just you

    • @exiledskunk5046
      @exiledskunk5046 Год назад

      Well i haven't noticed it, but now that you've said it I'll see if i get that Impress. Eitherway Norm (RIP) is the greatest

  • @TheWhiteManSays
    @TheWhiteManSays Год назад +2

    I dont know what people dont understand. Yarvin is being pretty clear. Non aggression doesnt work, the free market works some places for some time but its not an absolute. This is a pretty good rebuttal to libertarianism.

  • @angeliahoffman8500
    @angeliahoffman8500 Год назад +4

    Yarvin still talking as malice shut off stream . Perfect

  • @mickadams1905
    @mickadams1905 Год назад +5

    Curtis is rocking a Rachel Levign style hair cut.
    Nice.

  • @superninjaraidingman
    @superninjaraidingman Год назад +2

    Think dave did well here but honestly any podcast with mendacious moldybag needs to be at least 3 hours to get anywhere interesting.

  • @footteatimeofficial7832
    @footteatimeofficial7832 Год назад +14

    Side note...... (And this guy looked at me as have not yet put my sexuality in question and then said) "That's an interesting choice" said so nonchalantly from the scooter story was one of the funniest moments in podcasting lore to date. close second to Curtis holding back those legendary burps. Only through 25 minutes but that was gold. Be well everyone 🙏❤️😁

  • @onclesam1463
    @onclesam1463 Год назад +2

    8:15 The argument made by Curtis Yarvin is libertarianism can only work under a set of specific conditions. If these conditions are not met first, it will be doomed to fail.

    • @onclesam1463
      @onclesam1463 Год назад

      This quote from his essay "From Mises to Carlyle: My Ill Journey to the Dark Side of the Force" pretty much sums up his thesis on the subject.:
      "Here is the Carlylean roadmap for the Misesian goal. Spontaneous order, also known as freedom, is the highest level of a political pyramid of needs. These needs are: peace, security, law, and freedom. To advance order, always work for the next step-without skipping steps. In a state of war, advance toward peace; in a state of insecurity, advance toward security; in a state of security, advance toward law; in a state of law, advance toward freedom".

  • @sonofwotan
    @sonofwotan Год назад +18

    My main takeaway is that Smith and Yarvin compliment each other quite well. Dave is theory bound, but able to express himself with energy and clarity. Yarvin is the opposite. It would be interesting to hear the two of them do a series of podcasts together.

    • @superninjaraidingman
      @superninjaraidingman Год назад +7

      Even more interesting is the fact that Dave is actually involved in real politics where as Yarvin is completely dissociated from any real politics. Basically an inversion of the conversation.

    • @januarysson5633
      @januarysson5633 Год назад +3

      Yarvin is very abstract. He should try writing a model constitution for the CEO monarchy he wants to create.

    • @jetrpg22
      @jetrpg22 Год назад +1

      @@superninjaraidingman Libertarians have a practical guide now tho, Hoppe lays it out well.

    • @superninjaraidingman
      @superninjaraidingman Год назад

      @@jetrpg22 i have only read his book democracy the god that failed, where does he lay this plan out?

    • @jetrpg22
      @jetrpg22 Год назад

      @@superninjaraidingman short versions is getting L right.
      cdn.mises.org/Getting%20Libertarianism%20Right.pdf

  • @Potatojoe2000
    @Potatojoe2000 Год назад +2

    What was MY favorite part of this discussion? (burp) Curtis' (burp) ability to break things down through concise analogies (burp) so that the non-intellectual types, like me, can easily and simply (burp) digest the complex.

  • @savoirfaire6181
    @savoirfaire6181 Год назад +11

    Thanks for doing this discussion Michael.

  • @danarchism-dissident
    @danarchism-dissident Год назад +2

    "Like, like"
    vs.
    "Kinda, sorta"

  • @TheWhiteManSays
    @TheWhiteManSays Год назад +4

    Spain during franco was better than it is today. Fact.
    Im not romanticizing either. My greatgrandfather fought the war, my grandfather lived in franco spain, and my father saw it all fall apart and completely undone.

    • @torrasque0151
      @torrasque0151 Год назад

      How do you respond to the criticism that Franco's policies led to the countryside being almost completely deserted?

  • @xRawPower
    @xRawPower Год назад +1

    This was literally the goat episode of Your Welcome. Thank you so much for this.

  • @jackangelo99
    @jackangelo99 Год назад +4

    This was pure gold on so many levels...

  • @TerexJ
    @TerexJ Год назад +2

    So this is what a Jewish family reunion is like? Fascinating.

  • @tommyzee7251
    @tommyzee7251 Год назад +6

    "Basically..." Yarvin is cruel and unusual punishment even when he makes a decent point. Dude should be on repeat at Gitmo

  • @jasonmaguire7552
    @jasonmaguire7552 Год назад +1

    It's so funny when Yarvin looks directly at the camera. It's like he suddenly looking through the screen at me.

  • @Tfortruth2
    @Tfortruth2 Год назад +4

    A federal reserve note isn't stock in the US Gov., it's a unit of measuring collateral value of US citizens

  • @reddogbrew9427
    @reddogbrew9427 Год назад +8

    Can you give yarvin a timer next
    Time? Holy shit.

  • @r.d.9332
    @r.d.9332 Год назад +1

    Great talk! Dave Smith did a very good job, wouldn't have thought he could hold up his part of the game.

  • @jetorixjones
    @jetorixjones Год назад +3

    We are living in the bad times created by weak men. These are the strong men to return us to good times.

    • @torrasque0151
      @torrasque0151 Год назад +1

      Well not "these" these, they are more like the Grima Wormtongues to the future Caesar.

  • @designheretic
    @designheretic Месяц назад

    Dave is the first fellow I’ve encountered who doesn’t habitually interrupt long thoughts

  • @DaZese
    @DaZese Год назад +6

    Thank God Tim Dillion got me with this guy already. Truly a hilarious troll to have as a guest

    • @DaZese
      @DaZese Год назад +5

      The act of him being a guest being the troll. Not him being a troll. Very sincere guy lol

    • @paulfroelich1024
      @paulfroelich1024 Год назад +3

      @@DaZese I loved that ep. Gave me a new appreciation for how well-read Tim is.

  • @mitchelweaver6801
    @mitchelweaver6801 5 месяцев назад +2

    There really isn't a point in having Yarvin on with other people lol His style is rambly, it's who he is, he can't help it. Just have him on and let him ramble.

  • @theofieles2589
    @theofieles2589 Год назад +11

    Michael is one of the few people who can wrangle Curtis, and he can only barely do it. Props. Great show.

    • @Hibernial
      @Hibernial Год назад +1

      The Alex Jones and Yarvin whisperer.

    • @theofieles2589
      @theofieles2589 Год назад +2

      @@Hibernial 🙃 Absolutely. Most people just have to submit to the nonstop barrage of insanity and brilliance. Michael's like, "Cuuuuurrrtiisssss. Settle down. I'll give you some candy if you let the other person talk." 🤣

    • @BobSmith-vj5kz
      @BobSmith-vj5kz Год назад +2

      it helps to have a high-pitched whiny voice--like the way a piccolo cuts through the orchestra

  • @gonzalogonzalez2585
    @gonzalogonzalez2585 Год назад +2

    I swear to the gods, if we have to listen to the analogy of the telephone-pole-pen one more time...

  • @billyratchet6463
    @billyratchet6463 Год назад +11

    Can I take 2 hours of "basically"?

    • @Yogisara
      @Yogisara Год назад

      Here just for this comment, basically.

    • @thomdrolet2624
      @thomdrolet2624 Год назад

      Umm...

    • @billyratchet6463
      @billyratchet6463 Год назад

      Basically, I just skipped over Curtis. Finished the podcast in 10 minutes.

  • @callummorgan7495
    @callummorgan7495 2 месяца назад +1

    16:40 'It was better under Pinochet than before him' - Dave Smith

  • @joshuamills3917
    @joshuamills3917 Год назад +3

    An anarchist, a libertarian, and an intellectual conservative walk onto a podcast....(insert punch line)

  • @TuxedoTalk
    @TuxedoTalk Год назад +21

    Dave Smith is asking society to become libertarian.
    Curtis isn't asking, he's telling.

    • @padraicburns9278
      @padraicburns9278 Год назад

      @@calvinsomething5348 Larkin Rose had a great video recently covering the natural tendency to seek leadership and contrasting leaders from rulers

    • @TuxedoTalk
      @TuxedoTalk Год назад

      @@calvinsomething5348 I think it's more simple than that. From the libertarian prospective the NAP is morally correct. As a result all the different people of the world are acting immoral by engaging in politics and aggressing against each other. Basically politics is just a street fight with extra steps. As a result the libertarians are justified in using any and all methods of responsive force at their disposal to stop the violence.
      In short put your boot on their neck and don't take it off until they cry uncle and promise to never violent the NAP again.

    • @camwelch9948
      @camwelch9948 Год назад

      How is a monarchist libertarian?

    • @TuxedoTalk
      @TuxedoTalk Год назад +4

      @@camwelch9948 You stop the difference flavors of totalitarianism by forcefully imposing libertarian values on society by taking authority by any and all means.

    • @camwelch9948
      @camwelch9948 Год назад

      @@TuxedoTalk I command you to be free!

  • @apolloapostolos5127
    @apolloapostolos5127 Год назад +3

    The entire stream, Curtis starred down Dave Smith
    like a bucket of chum, & Curtis was the Shark 😂

  • @anonymousAJ
    @anonymousAJ Год назад +1

    6:45 Newtonian physics is a special case of Einsteinian physics
    Curtis is fond of this metaphor but I am deeply suspicious of it. Keynes claimed to be giving a general theory of which classical economics was a special case. This kind of "your thing is true, but it's only a special case" argument is commonly used to denigrate the irrefutable.
    The more general point summarized by Malice that libertarianism "does not give a good way to get from point A to point B" I am not so sure about. Somehow the 100 Years War was ended by liberalism, as Scott Alexander has discussed. Perhaps the strategy is as simply as Etienne de la Boetie in Discourse on Voluntary Servitude: "I do not ask that you lay hands on the dictator to topple him over, but merely that you withdraw your support and watch as he crumbles". There's also Vaclav Havel in Power of the Powerless and Alexander Solzhenitsyn who both advocate for truth and jokes and art (the 'independent life of society' in Havel's words). The lie is a monolith but the truth seeps in through every pore

  • @RebelGorilla7384
    @RebelGorilla7384 Год назад +9

    Curtis Yarvin is Nick Kroll in a wig.

    • @wavell14
      @wavell14 Год назад

      He's Nick Gurr in whiteface

  • @ezra8676
    @ezra8676 Год назад +1

    Dave Smith completely outsmarted by Yarvin; Curtis runs circles around Smith's intellect.
    You can just see Smith's blank face as he tries to understand the modern bankruptcy process or the thought experiment where social security is converted into an annuity and citizens have the ability to liquidate it immediately.
    Malice seems able to hold his own with Yarvin, but Smith is just two standard deviations lower and unable to transcend his limitations to actually make a point that hits home.
    All of Smith's points are regurgitated from mainstream libertarian thinkers.

    • @TheWTFMatt
      @TheWTFMatt Год назад

      Thank you for getting this. Librarians have a very difficult time in any argument that isn't taken immediately to 30,000ft view of philosophy