"YOUR WELCOME" with Michael Malice
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Michael Malice (“YOUR WELCOME”) invites political theorist, Curtis Yarvin and comedian Dave Smith onto the show to debate the pros and cons of anarchism. This is an episode you won't want to miss!
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If you're listening to Curtis Yarvin and doing absolutely nothing else, you are still, in fact, multitasking.
Haaa
😆
Excellent line hah so true
I learned nothing but he likes to say 'sorta kinda sorta kinda.'
You can take the guy out of the bay area, you can't take the bay area out of the kid... Unless you've seen it, it's hard to understand, but talking in circles and the mental gymnastics is a part of the culture, primarily to confuse less sophisticated people so they don't want to argue back...
There fact Curtis was still talking as Michael signed off was perfect!
Dave Has A Big D!ck And A Big Life...
Now I want to see Michael mediate a discussion between Curtis and Jesse Lee Peterson
@@BillyGlides hahaha 😂
A conversation between Curtis and Malcolm Nance would be the longest introduction ever. Two hours in and they still would not have gotten to the topic. Curtis would have told his entire life story and Nance would have strung every word in the dictionary together without making a single point.
Micheal Leavitt? Hey that's my family last name.
Books mentioned during the debate:
Mises, Ludwig von: _Human Action_
Burnham, James: _The Machiavellians_
Hans-Hermann Hoppe: _Democracy, the god that failed_
Woods, Thomas: _How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization_
List, Friedrich: _The National System of Political Economy_
Grant, James: _The Forgotten Depression: 1921, the Crash that Cured Itself_
Garret, Garet: _The Bubble that Broke the World_
Other authors mentioned:
Murray Rothbard, Adam Smith, Robert Nozick, Friedrich Hayek
Thanks. I took a screenshot of this comment to add them to my reading list so I’ll know what they’re talking about next time. Sounds interesting.
I also took a screenshot! Was listening while driving and was annoyed that I was going to have to go back and ffw through to find these... doing the lords work!
You could give this list even if you hadn’t watched the video.
I also took a screenshot.
As someone who doesn't know much about Nozick beyond A Tale of a Slave, for which Curtis' interpretation was baffling, I'm curious why Michael Malice hates Nozick.
Is the segment with Dave Smith going to be in a part 2? If so when will that segment be uploaded?
Too funny!
But at least the “uhm, uhms” were at a minimum. 😅
@@januarysson5633 Gratefully YES. I pressed play on my podcast app with great trepidation.
It has been uploaded - ruclips.net/video/wVF0U4Qm6Fg/видео.html
Malice should have made an exception, given two guests, gone two hours. This was too good of a conversation and the internet needed much more.
The ‘Your Welcome’ chime cutting off Yarvin at the end - as he tried to interject one last time - was perfect and obviously intentional
It's up there with the Jessie Lee Peterson ending for sure
@@acethirtysix8378I was thinking the same thing, haha!
This Yarvin guy sure is loquacious
He's also very talkative.
@@tactics40 Not only is he loquacious and talkative, he also likes to speak a lot.
Not very quiet either...
@@chesscomsupport8689seems like to the type to not let you get a word in either
Saying 'sorta kinda' every few words isn't quite what I think that means.
Malice translating Curtis for Dave 😂
Lulz
Translating for us all, he is an intelligent person clearly but his tangents tend take twist and turns before finally reaching a point that have been stated much more simply.
Facts!
@@gabriel-uc1uz that's the best thing about Yarvin
@@gabriel-uc1uz That's not a virtue... It's a skill primary utilized on the left to confuse and obfuscate simple observations with weird and abstract analogies which is certainly not productive when having intellectual discussions with like-minded people. His "Newtonian Physics" punchline may have a desired impact with non-technical liberal arts type thinkers, but it's an overly trivial way of attempting to pretentiously say a theory is overly idealistic and not accounting for enough nuance. Why try to be cute with a simple concept. Obfuscation. If an opponent is scratching their head trying to figure out what in the world you're talking about, they're not focused on their next point.
Yarvin, the master of taking 15 minutes to make a 30 second point.
He loves to hear his own voice
This is my first time listening to him and that’s my first impression.
In a good way
I'm zoning out trying to listen. I have a hard time following his meanderings, and it's not because I'm slow.
He is the spoken equivalent of the three page run-on sentence without any punctuation.
With 50 'sorta kinda' mentions along the way
Dave has grown over the years to be quite poised and thoughtful in his responses to difficult arguments.
He’s a dummy stuck in juvenile ideology.
Be sure to invite your progressive, democracy loving relatives.
&/or relativists lbs 😄
That’s not how this works.
It's anti-democratic to even think that. Let me guess: January 6th wasn't an insurrection, either.
@@cdavidlake2 no. Stop regurgitating everything you see on TV.
@@leetommerson639 I’d bet good money he’s speaking in jest.
About 15 minutes in and so far it sounds like Dave's fears was justified.
What were his fears?
No kidding.
This guy is the worst , Dave was correct to think it was going to happen
He had Dave on the ropes until the fiftieth minute and then Dave started to knocked it out.
And in the 16th minute the guy who says "Sorta kinda" beat the guy who says "like like."
Curtis has the voice of a man who knits his own clothing
And then wears it inside-out
I think he cuts his own hair.
Hahaha this killed me
🤣🥇
@Dennis Tomlinson He cuts his hair?
Curtis looks so depressed when he isn’t talking…
Malice ignoring Yarvin's "I had a great point to make" at the end and then not asking Dave the question to end the show is a god tier trolling.
I didn't make it that far, but he failed to do that the entire 30 minutes I gave him. Be prepared, dude.
Classic Malice
I'm going to have to side with Yarvin on this one, because at one point Dave said he liked Ben Burgis, and I find that unforgivable
😂
Ben Burgers
The biggest compliment I can give Curtis Yarvin is that he is actually 95% as smart as he thinks he is.
That's the best backhanded compliment I've heard in a long while.
@@chesscomsupport8689 I don't even think it's backhanded. He's legitimately brilliant, just wish he was better at synthesizing his thoughts into less words
@@Trevalion Yeah, I see what you're saying. "Backhanded" it putting it a bit too strongly.
That's whats so irritating about him, haha
@@Trevalion Amen brother
This episode is the reason Dave wanted a debate format
Yeah malice really dropped the ball, Dave saw this coming, and Michael is supposed to be an anarchist I don’t understand how he could be afraid of debates.
@omgjimmyboy I don't think he's afraid of a debate. I think it actually makes it easier on yarvin this way because he has a hard time with spoken rhetoric which is pretty much what a debate comes down to.
I personally don't like debates and yarvin isn't good at any conversation where he has to speak on a specific topic he rambles and meanders saying whatever comes to his head. This whole conversation would be way better as an email exchange between Dave and Yarv then they could go on a show and discuss their thoughts.
I like Yarvin he's a bright guy but he's best when he's writing out his thoughts he's totally outclassed by Dave in this environment
I legitimately fell asleep twice trying to get through this
7/10 will try a third
He's so annoying
So many complaints about Yarvin rambling. I ❤️ it! Plz plz plz MOAR! This was an amazing convo and I can't wait to see 3 of the most brilliant minds together again soon.
Yarvin has a great sense of humor about himself, that's my thoughtful take.
Yarvin holding the burp is one of the best parts so far
😂
Well I've got good news
Ooh, I can't wait for that part!
I love respectful debates such as this where each participant is allowed to speak their piece without interruption. I also love watching Michael crack up in laughter & losing it - & fighting to regain his composure. 🤣
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Curtis looks like he is Dave and Michaels child
Antifa go and learn real basic biology .
You know what, the hand held 🎤 move by Curtis has turned out to be a really brilliant move.
Total power move lol
It was so funny at around the 26 minute mark Michael just cut out Dave's camera like it was just having Curtis on as a guest 😅
This was so fun. And the comedic cut at the end while Curtis was starting a story was perfect.
One trick is to tell stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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Yep, I reckon.
"Three wars back we called sauerkraut "liberty cabbage" and we called liberty cabbage "super slaw" and back then a suitcase was known as a "Swedish lunchbox." Of course, nobody knew that but me. Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling."
Grandpa Simpson? Is that you?👋
"Gimme five bees for a quarter," made me laugh harder than it should have.
I need 3 more hours of this.
The general recommendation is that you get 8 hours of sleep
@@blakephillips8649 Nighty-night dumb-dumb
If you take out the one dude saying "sorta kinda" and the other saying "like like like" this would have been 15 minutes.
Agreed. More Moldbug and Dave
What are the odds that we'll be able to produce one page of crisp bullet points to summarise the discussion today?
-1:■
1) Sorta kinda. 2) Like like like.
1. Standing up a pencil
2. Sorta kinda
3. Sorta kinda
4. Sorta kinda
Moldbug says libertarianism (by which he means the Austrian School of Economics) is like Nutonian Physics, you can pretend that is how the world works but it really isn't. Makes some good points baiting Dave to say that killing the commies in Russia at the start of the 20th century before they did anything would be a good thing and then notes that it would be violation of the NAP. Then proceeds to explain that Hoppe has taught him that libertarianism doesn't work. Strange because Hoppe is an ancap and Moldbug never says where he disagrees with Hoppe. He doesn't let Dave talk much :)
@Eirenarch Dave then managed to get in the point that Austrian economics actually does describe how the world works, but that it's ignored with awful consequences.
And that it's easier to say post hoc that it'd have been better to kill the communists.
As you say, Dave didn't get much time to talk and there was little real back and forth.
More just Curtis going back to his monolog.
😆
I know how smart Yarvin is, but Godamn is there a LOT of fat on his thoughts
Really good way to put it.
He'd reach a larger audience if he could make the effort to be concise. I always have to listen to his podcast episodes twice, as I feel like cartain points are missed the first time around, due to the density of his explainations.
@@PTS74 I feel like that would make him less authentic. The roundabout way in which he thinks is probably how he develops such great understanding on a given topic.
then maybe...
Listening to him is good calisthenics for attention span
waited for this collab for so long
Yarvin is absolutely correct about describing Hoppe as the key to escaping Plato's Cave if you're a Libertarian, or almost. When I was a Libertarian Hoppe got me so far out the cave I was seeing the light, but Yarvin got me so firmly outside I couldn't even see the cave, and I haven't looked back since
I love it when Yarvin just goes on a rant for like an hour haha so entertaining and yet educational. *All hail our God Emperor King Curtis Yarvin*
Are you Jewish?
Yes, Yarvin talked a lot, but as a big fan of Smith/Malice, I pretty much know Dave's world view and answers. I found it interesting to hear more about Yarvin's views and points.
It takes so long for him to make a point it’s hard to recall what he’s even responding to.
"There was a bee tied to my belt because there was an onion at the time." lol that was great
Would love a regular podcast with these three.
Same but no Yarvin
When I learned about financial incentives I started calling myself a libertarian. When I learned about power incentives I stopped calling myself a libertarian.
Money is power, no?
@@dikdynasty234 power is power
@@TheRomano725 Oh, thanks so much for clarifying! Makes sense now…
@@dikdynasty234 The use of currency is a subset of all power.
What is power?
Really interesting conversation! You should make this a regular thing
Second😎
Please no, I can't listen to Curtis make round about analogies for another hour without making a direct argument.
Honestly I love the whole group and I would tune in often if they had their own podcast. And I never do podcasts
Great episode. Michael did a tremendous job keeping Curtis' penchant for long monologues in check, which was much to Curtis' benefit.
That was quick.
In summary, evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
Love Dave, but i think this is more of a debate for a Tom Woods type to handle
Agreed. Dave doesn't have that much historical knowledge.
We just need to have an episode with all of them
That latitude joke about Haiti and Iceland was pretty hilarious, Yarvin is a funny guy
Where does he make the joke?
@@moviereviews1446 I think it’s like about 10-15 mins in
I think any episode with Curtis you need like 2 or 3 hours with him
He is such an amazing thinker
@@crazandonope
Legend says Yarvin is still saying what his favourite part of the show was, to this day.
LOL, this got me
Lol😂
Curtis drinking a 22oz can of Budweiser while Dave took a sip from his glass of Boubon/whiskey was eye opening
Yarvin rambles too much. It's anyone explaining to him in advance that we don't want to hear a long version of everything, ever?
First time hearing Curtis Yarvin. I can see why in his previous episode Dave felt they needed a debate style setup if he were to sit in with Curtis. The dude makes an Alex Jones monologue look like tiktok compared to how long winded he can be.
Watch him on tucker, you get used to it and he makes great points
I love how Malice is able to gently (and sometimes not so gently) wrangle and direct Yarvin's immense energy while keeping good humor about the whole thing.
This needs to be turned into a three hour long in-person conversation
I had a bead tied to my belt because it was the onion at the time... lol nice Simpson reference
It's hard to recognize the KISS band member without the makeup on.
😂
Had to listen to this at 1.5x speed. Curtis took to many Xanax this podcast.
I knew if you let Curtis talk long enough, he'd say the n-word.
Based
Wow, he's just like me!
Infinite Monkey Yarvin theorem
Can this guy speak? Imagine asking him what the time is. He'll definitely mention 3 random books and obscure political science.
"Sorta kinda sorta kinda." Ugh.
Sorry everything wasn’t made cookie-cutter for you sweetie
You can't violate the NAP against people who don't support the NAP. If someone does not follow the NAP they are willing to violate peoples rights or support someone who violates rights.
This guy Yarvin is obviously intelligent, but he has or rather lacks an ability to put his points in laymen terms and his analogies need work. Again, think laymen terms Yarvin.
Michael was begging Dave to have him on. I find him far less boring than Dave.
Three minds where each forces the others to up their games. Love it. Need more of this.
I wouldn't exactly say that Smith forces Yarvin to up his game, although Malice surely does.
@@CloverPickingHarp Dave is a tremendous communicator, but he's not the theorist. Michael and Curtis definitely live in the area of ideas much more. It was interesting to see Michael acting as the translator and helping Curtis translate his ideas, as that's definitely an area Curtis struggles.
@@CloverPickingHarp semantics. Smith forces Yarvin to pay more attention. I doubt Smith forces Yarvin to play his best game, but he definitely forces Yarvin to play a better game than he can often get away with playing.
It is strange to listen as a common idiot, and to feel as though I'm recognizing simple and or obvious points that they seem to miss. I wish I was able to ask in those moments if they're just missing them or if I'm really really really dumb.
I absolutely love your obvious post production interruptions for Patriot Gold.
“Give me 5 bees for a quarter you’d say.”
"No white onions, because of the war. They only had the big yellow ones."
I think the only thing that stops Malice from reigning in Yarvin fully is their familiarity. The only other host I've seen wrangle him as well is Ben Boyce.
Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if I'd rather see Ben on Malice's show, or vice versa.
A like both but that’s a stretch.
Alex Jones wrangled him pretty well too, or at least forced him to make his points very quickly
Eight months later, not a day goes by that I don't find myself talking about this discussion
The next episode of Your Welcome will start with 15 minutes of Yarvin saying what his favorite part of what Dave said was
There's more unused footage for this episode than for all of The Lord of the Rings.
We need to roll back the state
Is it just me, or does Curtis have a sort of Norm Macdonald-esque delivery to his humorous anecdotes/jokes?
Were there jokes? No. Norm doesn't say "kinda sorta" every few words.
wait, you noticed jokes? Give me timestamps, man, not just pretend. Pics or it didn't happen.
@@JonathanSchattke nouveau riche was pretty funny
it's just you
Well i haven't noticed it, but now that you've said it I'll see if i get that Impress. Eitherway Norm (RIP) is the greatest
I dont know what people dont understand. Yarvin is being pretty clear. Non aggression doesnt work, the free market works some places for some time but its not an absolute. This is a pretty good rebuttal to libertarianism.
Yarvin still talking as malice shut off stream . Perfect
Curtis is rocking a Rachel Levign style hair cut.
Nice.
Think dave did well here but honestly any podcast with mendacious moldybag needs to be at least 3 hours to get anywhere interesting.
Side note...... (And this guy looked at me as have not yet put my sexuality in question and then said) "That's an interesting choice" said so nonchalantly from the scooter story was one of the funniest moments in podcasting lore to date. close second to Curtis holding back those legendary burps. Only through 25 minutes but that was gold. Be well everyone 🙏❤️😁
8:15 The argument made by Curtis Yarvin is libertarianism can only work under a set of specific conditions. If these conditions are not met first, it will be doomed to fail.
This quote from his essay "From Mises to Carlyle: My Ill Journey to the Dark Side of the Force" pretty much sums up his thesis on the subject.:
"Here is the Carlylean roadmap for the Misesian goal. Spontaneous order, also known as freedom, is the highest level of a political pyramid of needs. These needs are: peace, security, law, and freedom. To advance order, always work for the next step-without skipping steps. In a state of war, advance toward peace; in a state of insecurity, advance toward security; in a state of security, advance toward law; in a state of law, advance toward freedom".
My main takeaway is that Smith and Yarvin compliment each other quite well. Dave is theory bound, but able to express himself with energy and clarity. Yarvin is the opposite. It would be interesting to hear the two of them do a series of podcasts together.
Even more interesting is the fact that Dave is actually involved in real politics where as Yarvin is completely dissociated from any real politics. Basically an inversion of the conversation.
Yarvin is very abstract. He should try writing a model constitution for the CEO monarchy he wants to create.
@@superninjaraidingman Libertarians have a practical guide now tho, Hoppe lays it out well.
@@jetrpg22 i have only read his book democracy the god that failed, where does he lay this plan out?
@@superninjaraidingman short versions is getting L right.
cdn.mises.org/Getting%20Libertarianism%20Right.pdf
What was MY favorite part of this discussion? (burp) Curtis' (burp) ability to break things down through concise analogies (burp) so that the non-intellectual types, like me, can easily and simply (burp) digest the complex.
Thanks for doing this discussion Michael.
"Like, like"
vs.
"Kinda, sorta"
Spain during franco was better than it is today. Fact.
Im not romanticizing either. My greatgrandfather fought the war, my grandfather lived in franco spain, and my father saw it all fall apart and completely undone.
How do you respond to the criticism that Franco's policies led to the countryside being almost completely deserted?
This was literally the goat episode of Your Welcome. Thank you so much for this.
This was pure gold on so many levels...
So this is what a Jewish family reunion is like? Fascinating.
"Basically..." Yarvin is cruel and unusual punishment even when he makes a decent point. Dude should be on repeat at Gitmo
It's so funny when Yarvin looks directly at the camera. It's like he suddenly looking through the screen at me.
A federal reserve note isn't stock in the US Gov., it's a unit of measuring collateral value of US citizens
Can you give yarvin a timer next
Time? Holy shit.
Great talk! Dave Smith did a very good job, wouldn't have thought he could hold up his part of the game.
We are living in the bad times created by weak men. These are the strong men to return us to good times.
Well not "these" these, they are more like the Grima Wormtongues to the future Caesar.
Dave is the first fellow I’ve encountered who doesn’t habitually interrupt long thoughts
Thank God Tim Dillion got me with this guy already. Truly a hilarious troll to have as a guest
The act of him being a guest being the troll. Not him being a troll. Very sincere guy lol
@@DaZese I loved that ep. Gave me a new appreciation for how well-read Tim is.
There really isn't a point in having Yarvin on with other people lol His style is rambly, it's who he is, he can't help it. Just have him on and let him ramble.
Michael is one of the few people who can wrangle Curtis, and he can only barely do it. Props. Great show.
The Alex Jones and Yarvin whisperer.
@@Hibernial 🙃 Absolutely. Most people just have to submit to the nonstop barrage of insanity and brilliance. Michael's like, "Cuuuuurrrtiisssss. Settle down. I'll give you some candy if you let the other person talk." 🤣
it helps to have a high-pitched whiny voice--like the way a piccolo cuts through the orchestra
I swear to the gods, if we have to listen to the analogy of the telephone-pole-pen one more time...
Can I take 2 hours of "basically"?
Here just for this comment, basically.
Umm...
Basically, I just skipped over Curtis. Finished the podcast in 10 minutes.
16:40 'It was better under Pinochet than before him' - Dave Smith
An anarchist, a libertarian, and an intellectual conservative walk onto a podcast....(insert punch line)
Dave Smith is asking society to become libertarian.
Curtis isn't asking, he's telling.
@@calvinsomething5348 Larkin Rose had a great video recently covering the natural tendency to seek leadership and contrasting leaders from rulers
@@calvinsomething5348 I think it's more simple than that. From the libertarian prospective the NAP is morally correct. As a result all the different people of the world are acting immoral by engaging in politics and aggressing against each other. Basically politics is just a street fight with extra steps. As a result the libertarians are justified in using any and all methods of responsive force at their disposal to stop the violence.
In short put your boot on their neck and don't take it off until they cry uncle and promise to never violent the NAP again.
How is a monarchist libertarian?
@@camwelch9948 You stop the difference flavors of totalitarianism by forcefully imposing libertarian values on society by taking authority by any and all means.
@@TuxedoTalk I command you to be free!
The entire stream, Curtis starred down Dave Smith
like a bucket of chum, & Curtis was the Shark 😂
6:45 Newtonian physics is a special case of Einsteinian physics
Curtis is fond of this metaphor but I am deeply suspicious of it. Keynes claimed to be giving a general theory of which classical economics was a special case. This kind of "your thing is true, but it's only a special case" argument is commonly used to denigrate the irrefutable.
The more general point summarized by Malice that libertarianism "does not give a good way to get from point A to point B" I am not so sure about. Somehow the 100 Years War was ended by liberalism, as Scott Alexander has discussed. Perhaps the strategy is as simply as Etienne de la Boetie in Discourse on Voluntary Servitude: "I do not ask that you lay hands on the dictator to topple him over, but merely that you withdraw your support and watch as he crumbles". There's also Vaclav Havel in Power of the Powerless and Alexander Solzhenitsyn who both advocate for truth and jokes and art (the 'independent life of society' in Havel's words). The lie is a monolith but the truth seeps in through every pore
Curtis Yarvin is Nick Kroll in a wig.
He's Nick Gurr in whiteface
Dave Smith completely outsmarted by Yarvin; Curtis runs circles around Smith's intellect.
You can just see Smith's blank face as he tries to understand the modern bankruptcy process or the thought experiment where social security is converted into an annuity and citizens have the ability to liquidate it immediately.
Malice seems able to hold his own with Yarvin, but Smith is just two standard deviations lower and unable to transcend his limitations to actually make a point that hits home.
All of Smith's points are regurgitated from mainstream libertarian thinkers.
Thank you for getting this. Librarians have a very difficult time in any argument that isn't taken immediately to 30,000ft view of philosophy