Broadheads & Arrows For Traditional Bows / What Shoots Best?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2023
- Finding the magical combination of broadhead and arrow for a traditional bow can be frustrating, here are some tips on how to find the perfect match for your setup!
Have shot archery for a long time, but years ago, nobody was talking about FOC and the magical arrow flight it produces. I remember the first time I shot an unfletched arrow with a 200 grain field point thinking there was not way this is going to work and was shocked at the arrow flight.
I have been shooting trad bows over 50 years. You have given some excellent information, some of which I had forgotten. Thank you sir.
I would love to see a video this deer season of you hunting with one of those Amazon Bows, some economical arrow shafts and some Zwickey Broadheads. Just to showcase how well, or poorly, an inexpensive setup would perform. Always enjoy your videos!
I recently bought some Victory Carbon Trad 450s and my recurve loves them. Awesome video as always. Thank you
Best arrows I've found in 30 years. Shoot great and practically impossible to break.
Another Great video Jeff.
My archery adventure took a sideways step. I picked up a Jennings Buck Master Lite Compound bow at a garage sale for $10. Got it set up with sight and w biscuit and a trigger and arrows off Amazon for about 80 bucks.
Now that I'm shooting it, while it's fun to be shooting arrows now. It's REALLY not the kind of bow I want to be shooting.
As I'm remote from any bow shop what I try is hit or miss at this point.
My plan is still a recurve , traditional, split finger. Watching your vids just makes me want that all the more.
TY Jeff your vid’s on real life whitetail set ups are great & s wealth of knowledge. Try the Simmons Interceptor if ya get a chance. It has a little sleeker design & it’s penetration is amazing.
I’ve been using the 190 Treeshark for 10 years. 47 deer with them and none of them have left my eyesight. 33 deer and 1 yote with the same head before I hit a rock and bent it. Simmons sharks are amazing heads and David Oligee is a wonderful man to help you get set up and get into the woods.
Really wish they made a glue on version
@@andrewlee1321 they do
@@Mulching_man not in the 190 grain sadly just 165
Totally agree Jeff. Gold tips are the best and strongest imo.
Well put Sir . I do have a set of GT trads that shoot good in 3 different bows ( one recurve 54# and two longbows 60# ) Certainly a fluke I'm sure , but true.
I macro tune with bare shaft, then micro tune with broadheads vs field points. The groups will give you the same information as bare shaft testing but to a finer degree. E.G. broadheads hitting to the right; shaft isn’t stiff enough; reduce point weight, shorten arrow, etc.
Thank You so much for the info Jeff god bless.
Thanks from France.
Really usefull informations.
Thanks, Jeff!!
Yes I like the 10 grains per pound in arrow weight.. Some of my arrow builds end up below or above the 10 grains per pound. My longbows of 44 to 46 pounds like the 500 spine while my 48 pound plus bows like the 350 spine arrows. That 2 to 3 pounds can determine your arrow spine and I run 200 to 250 grains up front with my arrows.. I like the 10 grains per pound arrows for target shooting to 30 yards as the arrows don't drop much..
thank you
Hey Jeff. It’s like you made this just for me. But after we talked last night it was dark, so I know it wasn’t a, but it was still made just for me and I know many others. I do have another quick question. As you know I have been out of shooting for awhile. I noticed all of those strings had a yarn type silencer on them. What do you recommend for today’s bows with today’s silencing materials? The last I used were beaver ball string silencers. If you find that yarn works as well or better , tell me where to get some. Also what I have seen you put on some of your bow limbs. Thanks friend, Steve.
Using a 2117 aluminum this year with 225 Simmons great white out of a 57lb longbow. A good rule of thumb, as you said is 10 grains per lb and run as much FOC up front as reasonable, usually you end up around 20 percent. Also, going above 10 grains per pound I have found you really only loose trajectory, not gaining much, but if you shoot under 15 yards it probably won’t matter if you go up to 12 grains per lb.
Thank you man!
hello, thank you for your videos, keeping it simple, in hunting blades, for a fast supercurve type bow Border Covert Hunter, which hunting blades do you recommend? brand and models in 175gr?👋👋👋👋
Jeff throw some woodie content out there brother for the wood shaft shooters 🏹🎯👍
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Awesome! Thank you 🙏
Jeff-- How do you like to orient the blades on your broadhead (2 blade)? Vertical? Horizontal? Doesn't matter? Personal Preference? Thank You for helping us from over-analyzing things?
I use gt Hunter xt 400s with 100 grain inserts and 175 vaps out of my 48 lb toelke longbow. They fly like Lazers
Hi, very helpful videos.I'm really getting into traditional archery especially longbow. I am going to be shooting a 66in. Martin venom longbow 55#@28in. I am looking at getting my arrows ultimately set up for hunting. I would like to use simmons tree sharks 190 grain. I'm 5ft.9in. 185lb. 27 1/2 draw. Looking for the right arrow length, spline size, etc. Will mainly be hunting from lock on or saddle if that means anything. Also I shoot 3 under instinctive. Would like to be dead on out to 30yds. Also how would I set up my practice arrows and tips? Huge thx in advance.
Hi Jeff love your videos I have to a question I shoot a tomahawk diamond series long bow 55lbs @28" I draw about 27" what arrow spine and foc would you recommend for this bow I shoot split finger thank you for your time and knowledge
Okay as a general rule at least for mine, anything over 50# running 200 grains up front or more likes a 400 spine.
Jeff, after watching many of your videos, I am finally ready to make a purchase. I went back to the drawing board after watching your videos, and I'm actually pulling 28" with a 45lb Black Hunter Longbow. My arrow length is going to be 29.25" based on needing a little over an inch of clearance at my 28" draw. My question is, at that arrow length, and trying to decide between a 400 or 500 spine Gold Tip Traditional Arrow... what Spine, Insert and Point (broadhead) weight would you suggest for hunting?
I am brand new to trad bows, switched from a crossbow. Trying to shoot as much as possible to get ready for hunting season but I believe my arrows are too long and not sure if they are the best set up. What is the most cost effective way to tune those arrows (no idea if they have added inserts or not), or should I switch and start from scratch. Do not have any trad bow shooters in my area for a guide. Any help would be fantastic!
Get the Easton Archery tuning guide . Last time I saw it online it was a free download . It's Our Arrow bible
Can you do a video on wood arrows?
Getting ready to order the Gold Tip Warrior arrows for the first time to hunt hogs and whitetails. My draw is 28". My main bow is a recurve center cut Hornes Archery 62" 50# @28, and I also shoot a 60" 45# Bear Kodiak. After tuning, I will start using the Swampshark 175gr for the first time as per your suggestion. I already have 100 gr Gold Tip inserts and also some 50gr GT screw-in weights if needed to add to adjust FOC and fine tune. Question: What spine do you suggest? Thanks! I appreciate your help and thank you for all you are doing.
You’ll probably need a 400, I’ve got a new video coming out tomorrow morning on the warriors and testing the Simmons setup on various bows👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Wow that is awesome. Perfect timing! Thank you brother
Thanks for the video. Love your channel. I've been trying to bareshaft tune to the point of frustration. I'm shooting an ILF recurve bow that's 47# at my 29.5" draw length. I'm shooting 31" 2016 Gamegetter arrows. I don't want to go too heavy, but I've tried 175 and 200 grain field points and its coming up stiff. Just got some 225 grain points which would have me at 605 grains without fletching. What would you recommend? I was wondering if I should try 1916s or put my 55# limbs on, but I really don't like shooting that heavy. I'd appreciate any help you can offer.
At your long draw length your probably pulling close to 55 pounds now. I would try a 2117 aluminum or 400 or 350 spine carbons. I shoot a 45# Bear Takedown at my 29” draw with 400 spine carbons cut to 30” with 100 grain brass inserts and 125 grain field point or broadheads and they shoot like darts! Total arrow weight is about 550 grains with 19% FOC. I hope this helps. Good luck and keep experimenting !
@@lcjjr.6714 thanks. The 47# is including my draw length. At 28” it’s closer to 44-45 lbs. I just tried the 225 grain points and it’s flying better, still slightly stiff and that’s at 10 yards.
@@josephwashington2823 Ok. Seems you’re on the right track. Keep adding 25 grains at a time. Good luck and happy hunting!
I have a pse nova what size shaft
I need help at 75 yo I can no long shoot 45#+ bows but I still love to hunt. My 35# bow what weight arrow would I need to hunt with a good placement hit.
Jeff I shoot wood arrows and have switched from Douglas fir to Sitka spruce this year for lighter shafts. I have noticed that the same spine woodies of different type, tune a little different. When I bare shaft tune my wood arrows I have just accepted in the past that I am going to break at least 3 arrows. Do you have any suggestions on how I can have less broken arrows? It is like I can get them perfect at like 10 or so but as soon as I step back a little, they slap the target sideways and break. Should I just be satisfied with a ten yard tune?
I would recommend you talk to my friend Trevor Fielder with TTT Strings he’s the most knowledgeable guru on the planet for tuning woodies , I don’t have nearly as much experience with them as he does👍🏻
Hey just because someone says you have to bareshaft test arrows does not mean it is absolutly necessary .Folks never did it in ancient times so why do you need to do that?.I have been making my own arrow shafts and complete arrows for 54 years .I never had the need to bare shaft and my arrows shoot OK.Your choice but you don't need to bare shaft arrows.Paper tune is more benificial if any thing using fletched arrows.
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Hi Jeff, i have a 26 draw i shoot a Leon Stewart lil Slammer56” reflex deflex longbow, 50# @ 28 so for me thinkim getting 47# ish ,with easton legacy carbon 400 shafts @27.5” coupled with grizzly single bevel 200 grn heads totaling 455 total grains . Not sure how much foc but good bit up front but i get bout a foot or more drop out at 20 yrds is this about right or should it not be dropping this much
Have you shot any single bevel broadheads
Hi friend, I speak from Brazil, here we are laymen in archery, I wanted you to clear up some of my doubts I have many, and I admire you in the way you do things and your channel teaches me a lot every day I learn many things, I wanted to know if you can explain it to me , I have a Chinese bow, because when I put the blades at 55 pounds and I measure only 50 on the scale, and what is the ideal weight for 30-inch arrows and a 50-pound bow, I saw that it would be approximately at least 8 grains per pound that gives approximately 400 grains, but I see you using heavier weight arrows why?
Greetings my friend! I personally use slightly heavier arrows for hunting simply because the chances of hitting some kind of bone are very likely and the heavier arrows will break through much better than light arrows for sure but target shooting really doesn’t matter as much, I’ve just been way more successful hunting with arrows weighing at least 10gpp and it makes the bow quieter as well 👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 I have other questions, I would like to know why you use Lan silencers instead of rubber ones, since Lan in the rain increases the weight of the rope and generates air resistance, what are the advantages, and what are the disadvantages, of rubber for ropes?
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 I'm thinking of buying a tbow, what's the difference in speed and quality aspects of hoyt satori? and also thinking about buying a quiver redline rl3, can you tell if it's good? and why do you prefer traditional quivers instead of more modern carbon ones?
@@GustavoDamon The TBow actually shoots as good as a satori but you have to run Velcro on the limbs where they make contact with the riser to get them quiet and of course a quality fast flight Flemish Twist string because they come with a junky string and the aluminum riser is cast not machined like Hoyt so you have to be careful not to over tighten anything especially limb bolt set screws, and I actually used a Bohning Lynx quiver on mine but the Hoyt quiver will work great also just more expensive.
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 thanks for all the help, any questions I'll ask in the videos, you adjusting the satori is a show that video, I wish you all the best!
I have a longbow mowhawk 40lb got it for deer I ordered some wood turkey feather arrows with hunting tips need help on finding arrow thats good for my bow
Yes sir, I would recommend either a gold tip or Easton Legacy arrow in a 600 spine if you’re pulling 40 pounds.
I would like to see that 300 grain foc bare shaft fly ?I am shooting Bob Lee 46# 28 1/2 draw . Shooting GT 500 29 1/4 125 grain point and they fly like darts and make bullet holes through paper. (188-190 ) fps. You throw another 175 grains up front and you will not get bare shaft to fly straight for sure. Nock left always
Yes sir I’m only ever shooting 300 grains up front with 400’s not 500’s, and at a 27” draw pulling 45# my 500’s will tune great with 250 up front and that’s usually out of a longbow.
Hey, I’ve got a 55lb @ 28” keshes recurve. I’m shooting 205 grain Simmons Safari broadheads. I was wondering what arrow spine you would recommend for this combination? Thank you
Love your videos!! I own 7 recurves 3 bear grizzlies 2wonder bows browning cobra a Kodiak magnum all in 45 to 50lbs. I shoot gold tip traditional arrows 281/2 with 100g brass 500 spine inserts my draw is 27” what broadhead weight do you recommend?
Man I would go with the 175 grain Simmons Swamp Sharks for the money and I cannot imagine anything putting a deer down faster with field tip accuracy! They took out five of the six deer I got this year and every one passed completely through plus the big public buck year before so I’m definitely a believer in them especially after I learned how to keep them razor sharp.
Thank you!!
Any recdomendations for a beginner bow?
Yes sir my absolute favorite is a Toparchery takedown recurve and they’re really inexpensive but high quality, also the 3rivers Carin is a great bow just need a quality string for either one like a TTT String in fast flight Flemish 👍🏻
Had a buddy heartshot a buck with a 190 tree shark, it still ran 180yards. Go for a double lung shot, I prefer VPA 3 blade 175g.
The VPA 3 blades are awesome especially when they’re really sharp!
Best broadheads for 40lb longbow? I appreciate all your suggestions based on experience
For the money a Magnus stinger Buzzcut 150 grain two blade but the other and my favorite is a Simmons land shark 160 grain!
I have a Northern Mist Classic longbow. It’s not cut to center. I have a 26 inch draw. I’m pulling around 50-52 lbs. What gold tip arrow do you recommend and how much point weight up front? Also which tree shark would you recommend for that setup? Thanks!
I would think you’d want to go with a 500 spine and the 50 grain aluminum inserts with the swamp shark in 190 grain, that’s if your arrows are cut around 28” especially since they need to get around the shelf, I believe a 400 would be a little too stiff, you could also go with the 175 grain and a slightly longer arrow and honestly the warriors are great especially if you want to maybe get a half dozen pre fletched from 3 rivers, they’ve got the inserts as well 👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 That's very helpful thanks so much for taking the time to reply to my question. Have a great 4th of July weekend!
@@sadendy you too my friend!
Sorry if I don't speak English correctly it's due to not being fluent, I'm using Google translator, so there may be errors in the translation of what I want to say!
I’ve got an OMP Recurve 40# @28”. My draw length is 28”.
I’ve got some 340 shafts cut to 29” with 100 grain inserts and 150 grain broadheads laying around. Do you think this will be overspined?
@@BustedLimbOutdoors I really think so yes.
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 would you recommend a 400 spine in this case?
Going to shoot a 50# @31.5 mongolian horse bow,but my draw is 29" so I'm gonna guess I'll be shooting at 40-45 lbs at my draw length. I'll be shooting the wooden arrows that comes with the kit with 100 grain tips . I absolutely have no idea what the spine is. The arrows don't say and have no idea what the grain of the arrows are. All it says is the tips are 100 grain. Any advice?
I haven't shot a bow for years and that last bow was a Pearson Flame compound and if I ever needed anything I just went back to the bowshop where I purchased the bow and told him I want arrows and he made them and only shot 100 grain tips target and muzzy broadheads. I am totally lost now lol. There's nowhere around me to go to and sence the bowshop did everything I don't know anything
Hi Jeff, I wanted to get your opinion on a potential setup, GT Warriors 500 with luminok and a 190 gr. Treeshark,total weight 482 gr. with 240 up front out of my recurve shooting 45lbs @27 on a,28" arrow, is that enough to blow through a deer?, or should I use a smaller head to increase passthrouh potential?
Absolutely deadly combination! Just get the heads really sharp and if anything add the 50 grain aluminum inserts and you’ll definitely be set!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Thanks for your input Jeff, I am running 50 gr. inserts, after weighing each one, my 190s are between 196 and 198. and my 165s with 42 gr. adapters are running 200 to 202, so in actuality my front end is between 248-250, is that good?, and did you ever experience with Simmons, the weights being more than they were supposed to?
@@timbo749 yes sir very good! All of the Simmons Sharks except for the Mako actually weigh more than labeled or at least all of mine have so you’re good 👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Thanks again for all you do!
You ever make it down to Eufaula alabama hunting? Couple public lands opportunities there
Never have but I’ve hunted the Talledega in Bibb County, lots of deer for sure!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 I live down in Dothan area and hunt refuge in eufaula, if you ever make down here maybe we can share a hunt
@@robbo392 sounds good and same here brother we’ve got plenty in north Alabama to chase 👍🏻
Hi Jeff, I see you favor the Swamp Sharks, how do you feel about the Tree Sharks in comparison, wouldn't you want the bigger cut? I'm a Treeshark guy but wondered why you favor the Swamp sharks, just curious as i might start playing with them.
@@timbo749 The only problem I’ve had with the Tree Shark is the tips, they’re not as strong against bone as the Swamp Sharks and will actually roll over a bit on impact.
How do you bare shaft tune a wood arrow
Same way but they’re very difficult because they’re not consistent In straightness usually but you can easily get them in the ballpark just have to start long and keep cutting and tapering until they get stiff enough to shoot straight, it’s a task for sure lol
Which arrow type would you recommend for a 62" recurvebow with 35lbs at 28" draw? Personally I draw 32" so I guess the draw weight should be 38 lbs. Regards from Mannheim Germany
With an arrow that long probably a 500 spine, that would also allow you to run some heavier tip weights! Thanks so much brother!
Don't forget fish points....lol....my carbon vapor is putting an absolute spanking on Asian carp this year.
Kill um all! 👍🏻
I’m confused lol I watch all your stuff I’m just getting into instinctive shooting I’ve been a compound shooter for 40 years anyway I see you shooting split and next time it’s 3 under I’m wanting to shoot split I think I’m gonna have a long draw length I shoot 31 inches with compound I don’t know what that means with recurve but it’s gonna be long I haven’t tuned anything yet but any advice would be appreciated
Yes sir and it really doesn’t matter which way you choose to go with but as far as getting setup right just remember for every additional inch of draw length past what the bow is marked @ 28” you’ll gain at least 3 pounds also you’ll want at least a 62” bow and definitely go up a spine on arrows, weight wise you want to be at least 15-20 pounds lighter than your compound, in general a full length 500 spine is good with that draw length up to 45# past that go with a 400 and possibly even a 340 to run heavier point weight and that’s if you’re drawing 30” or more and holding above 45 pounds because longer arrows will get weakened way faster than cut down arrows but usually a 400 spine is plenty for most long drawn recurves and longbows under 55#
Ok yeah I bought the 3 rivers cairn in a 62 inch pot bow I think if I remember right it has 45 lb limbs after I bought it I saw your RUclips video on it and felt pretty good about the purchase I’m hoping the guys at the pro shop I use here in Louisiana knows how to really get it tuned if not I’m coming to Alabama lol I appreciate your response
What is FOC?
Foreword of center weight on an arrow 👍🏻
Thanks Jeff, sent you a FB msg regarding arrows.
So are the 100g and 125g G5 Montec a total waste of time? I heard they are really good at killing deer but you're all about the heavy broadheads. Or are they only good on light poundage bows?
The only ones I would shoot are the new solids because the vented ones are literally the loudest heads I’ve ever shot and a deer will 100% duck your arrows way before they get to them but it’s only because of the vents and that’s the only reason I don’t shoot them. The 125 grains is fine with some 100 grain inserts behind them, that’s usually plenty of point weight just stick with solid non vented heads in a 3 blade if possible 👍🏻
Thought you were a 3 blade vpa man because they out penetrated 2 blades?
They do penetrate very well but I wanted to try the sharks out last year and they were amazing, huge holes and put them down quickly with excellent blood trails plus they’re easier to sharpen by far so I’m definitely a fan, with that said the VPA is an excellent head just have to spend the time to get them sharp 👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 thanks for the reply. I’ve shot both and although I’m a huge fan of Simmons I ended up picking 3 blades simply because they are easier for me to shoot accurately with my method of split vision. Only down fall to the big simmons were they caught my eye much more than the 3 blades
@@matthewgill9820did you ever try positioning them so that the shelf and riser are covering the blades from your field of view? That’s how I do it with 1.5 inch abowyers and iron will wides on my bear recurves. I also shoot split vision as well and didn’t want to see any major amount of blade in my sight picture.
Theirs a formula for kinetic energy at Easton archery use it arrow weight arrow speed duh