All of the design elements mentioned in this video are not new to either 890J or Avalon. They are modern design language often used in furniture and interior design. You are looking for causation in correlation. What's more likely is that both 890 Jump desingers and Avalon designers took inspiration from other modern/futuristic designs and applied them to each fo their projects repectively.
The concept for the 890j was revealed in 2014, the movie passengers was out in 2016. If they did copy, CIG had insiders at the movies. Considering the concept was shown in 2014, how long before that was a ship concept artist going through the trouble of having it approved by big daddy Chris?
The 890j concept was released Oct 10, 2014. Then released into the Verse in Sept 2019. However, CIG was showing sneak peaks of it for quite a while before that.
@@hebraist , without knowing if any of those that worked on Passengers even knew about Star Citizen while working on the movie, I've got to believe that both teams were inspired by mega yachts, giving a futuristic twist to common high end features and happened to come out with several similar designs. The old "great minds think alike " adage.
@@hebraist i think your just overthinking things. this kind of design is considered modern architect. so no ones actually copying anyone, its just modern day aesthetics.
The 890j was announced in 2014 and the movie came out in 2016. It didn't come out to the verse till 2019 though, so it's possible the developers took a lot of inspiration from the movie and pay homage to the movie with the ship's design. They've done this with a lot of ships already. Just look at the most recent Cutter. It's a nod to the Eagle 5 on Spaceballs.
I feel like we already know what will happen to the water in 23.3 since there are no water body physics in the game. Also in the movie when Jennifer Lawrence is in the bubble of water, unless physics stops operating she would be able to swim easily to the edge since she is submerged in water, a medium through which she can propel herself using her limbs. That's not an effect of gravity, it's an effect of the physics of her hands/feet pushing against the water and relativity. That movie was pretty dumb.
Considering they both released at similar times, I would be charitable and say it's just coincidence. While passengers released before the 890 was in-game, it was concerted a good bit before.
I mean, nothing wring with a homage to some popular media. But if people think its wrong to do this, i feel like the 890 is the least of our issues when we have a literal X-wing
Considering that "Passengers" is already a complete knock-off of the 1991 teen-fiction book "Sleepers, Wake", I'm going to assume they're the ones happy to play fast and loose with derivative ship design.
Since inventions can happen at the same time without theft or plagiarism. Joseph Swan and Thomas Edison both inventing the lightbulb, Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace both postulating evolution, Isaac Newton, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz formulating calculus concurrently as a tiny fraction of examples. It is *imminently* possible that both a movie designer and a game designer are both inspired by, and attempting to illustrate the same kinds of luxury as the highest end yachts of our time would use very similar design languages. They come from the same DNA... of course they resemble each other. Would be odd if they didn't, not odd that they do.
You may not realize this, but CIG has taken ideas for ships and items from MANY MANY SCI FI shows and movies.. Pisces is a Star Trek original Shuttle design for example. P4 is an MP weapon style, Custodian the P-90, the two bladed knife (can't remember name off top) is actually a direct copy of a real life knife.. even the color.. I know because I own one of them in real life ( I did find it odd for this one that it is identical in the design of the real life knife - the only thing I have seen that is). Many other ships have clear roots in sci fi.. Reclaimer reminds you of the Aliens movie, Valkyrie as well for the dropship. There are many more but it is not just CIG that takes material of others and uses them for designs with a twist. Obviously 1 to 1 copy they don't do (except for that knife) but you can clearly see the influence of many designs of objects, ships and ground vehicles in CIG designs from other genres.
nothing in either of them is particularly new. all of those elements have been in design individually for a long time. the artists and set designers got the same prompt. build me a fancy futuristic space yacht.
you know alot of the ships are inspired by Scifi show's and movies Alot of the ships even look like many ships from movies as long as its not a 1 for 1 its not theft.
Floating water effects are a pretty insane ask, so my guess is they'll either just ignore it, or eventually have some system that sucks the water into a holding tank until gravity is restored. Expect this by about year 17 after the game goes live ;-)
Honestly i dont think theyre straight copying like the venture and vulture are 1 to 1 basically but i think theyre just paying respects to the greats i.e. eve online and starwars mainly but idk their real intentions.
The 890 was around from 2020 so before the film that was from September 2015 to February 2016. The 890 reminds me of some of the luxury super yachts, especially there use of dynamic surfaces. Loved the design aesthetic in Passengers.
I mean if ya wanna be technical ever since the kelvin timeline kirk movies in star trek people have been copying that white sci-fi ship design most star trek shows since those movies also carry the same medbay design arguably you could even say star trek voyager in the 90's had that same kind of luck all with subtle variations, while there are similarities it's likely they're both a love letter to star trek ship designs the enterpise, strange new worlds and discovery also share that style in their medbays and the 890's medbay is closer to those designs than this movie is it sure it's more of a paint over with a more metallic feel perhaps even enders game tech look to it or even halo but I wouldn't put directly into copying eachother theres too many difference the only thing I would argue is the corridors but it's derivative at best but go back far enough and theres an argument to be made with any artistic design that nothing today is original just Frankenstein together with bits and pieces of other IP's, when I played valheim I argued with myself was it original it was fresh in a combination of things i'd seen before combined to make a new gaming experience but with elements of darksouls, minecraft heck even fortnite they were only small things in the way the mechanics worked and then I had to ask myself... did it matter and the answer is no, anything you can make by hand is far more original and more derivative at best than copycatting unlike the 12000th to the power of 20 encounting PromptGeneratedImages I see on the internet everyday that makes it feel lifeless with human art it's different you can argue over it's originality but with PGI art unless the person knows their prompt it's easy to tell if a human made it or not the signs are often obvious and easily recognisable from it's flaws to faces you've seen a million times to the point your getting fed up of seeing them and wish there was a filter on some sites so you could just see the real hand digtal artist works! i'm no artist not gone back to it in a long time i've always been a gamer first unlike my sibling, but heck even i'm getting kinda fedup hearing ai this and that it's not even ai it's just an algorythm all programming no thought or self awareness we aint in terminator or i-robot yet just the few experimental edge cases or heck those could be programmed to fool the masses too everyones got this morecambe fascination with machines rising up and trying to end us! that aside my point stands as simple as this wtf even is originality even those we believe to be an original of something take inspiration from others i've no doubt in my mind theres some 1800's science fixing book with a description of a ship strikingly similar sounding to the 890 jumps rooms or star treks and even the Avalon's somewhere and an attempt to call it stealing feels clickbait at best! kids in the 2010's were using terms like memes it wasn't called that originally but theres references to actual memes dating back to 1800's they just didn't call em memes heck for all we know Egyptian hieroglyphs themselves might have some of their culture's memes mixed in, is our modern use of gifs and memes not to dissimilar from glyphs, someone made a rock and buried it planning to leave memes etched on stone to be unearthed 10000 yrs from now (till the public and government decided to get rid of it cause they didn't want people of the future misinterpreting our history and muddying future archaeological findings long after this age is gone) just so ya know I know i'm coming off as pissy i'm not, i'm just bad at wording things so it ends up coming off as a rant i'm just rambling but yeah I think it is just typical sci-fi design more importantly it's 21st century futuristic you go back to 70's & before no touch screens buttons everywhere just like the old doctor who stuff and earlier they used buttons the 90's was kinda high contrast black on red, with a carpet on the bridge so theres 50's sci-fi aesthetic then 60's sci-fi, 70's, 80's and then 90's and now 2000's and 2010's today is sort of mixture of everything since the 80's for sci-fi design this era has been a melting pot with no fresh designs on a sci-fi ships that i've seen in the past 4yrs of the 2020's if you can think of one lemme know alot of the 890 jump actually makes me think of tron the Cyclone makes me think of the Halo Warthog and the Ranger TR reminds me of Chistopher Nolan's Batcycle the Ursa looks like NASA's mars rover design the reclaimer is some weird mix of the Serenity & the ship from Alien but with it's own creative liberty when I say looks like I mean at first glance but theres always their own reiteration of the original design the Avenger's original ship design in 2.8 looks more like the horizontal takeoff shuttle nasa uses because of it's plating and color choices it's since been redesigned and looks more futuristic with less riveting but looking closer to the early United Earth Federation vessel from the title intro to the 2000's enterprise series! The scorpius straight up looks like an x-wing with a darker more realistic modern approach while the the liberator looks similar to some of the republic ships from the clone wars series! there will be variation even if the person has the memory in the back of their mind they might pictur a design and draw from that image not realising it's something they've seen before because they forgot it's wholistically possible the ones who made the 890 had seen the avalon but had simply forgotten they'd seen it and when going for the art style it was just simply coincidence slightly guided by vague memory, also just as likely it was intentional and they did copy... but the fact is it's different enough that you couldn't call it stealing because copyright wouldn't see it that way! the way works are in the IP and copyright protection act is, is it close enough to the source material to call it a copy and the answer is no, so I would ask yourself rather than whats similar about the ship perhaps try to list what is differences where do the similarities end and diverge into the artists own little flair!
@@Dr.Kryptanical wow! That was epic! This is exactly the kind of response I was hoping for. Someone with much more insight to help me wrap my head around it. I agree with everything you said. And well said! I so much appreciate the time, thought, and effort you put into writing all that! Thank you very very much!
@@powehi1710 Yeah, the Scorpius is like the x wing, the Corsair is like the imperial shuttle, and there is one like the B-wing. Can't remember the name. It's awesome!
hey just some friendly advice, if you name your video "who stole the design? ..." people are going to expect that YOU did the research to answer the question you yourself posed and that would be part of or all of the content within the video. kinda not cool to set up a fight you aren't prepared to referee over, or provide any real insight
@@calvinhobbs1761 The point is to ask the community if they have any info on this and to demonstrate the comparisons and test the water. Do you have any info to contribute? Thanks.
The earliest mention of the 890J concept I can find after seeing your click bait title is November 19, 2013 and the movie Passengers didn't come out till 2016. Trying to stir stuff up that the 890 design was stolen is f'd up and likely a violation of RUclips terms of service considering it's misinformation!
@@reverendzombie72 I simply wanted to ask the community their thoughts on this since I thought it interesting. I appreciate your contribution! 2013! Wow! That was so long ago, I am really surprised. Thanks for the information.☺️ There were so many other similarities too. Like Pratt's original hab, the bridge, observation room, even the door buttons. But this is why I mentioned it might all just be typical sci-fi ship design. I have seen a lot of sci-fi movies but never noticed so many similarities until this one.
CIG has a dsitinct lack of talent when it come to designing their things, cod like fps hit markers, ship designs all copied and slightly changed from somewhere else, the list can go on for quite some time.....
The movie copied off star citizen. The very first concept sale Origin 890 JUMP was October 2014. There was a brochure published with the ship what showed you everything about the ship and also the interior of the ship. I bought the ship in 2014 with the brochure show you the art style inside the ship. Do yourself a favour before you make speculated videos please do your homework correctly. It doesn't make your channel look very good and it doesn't make you look very good.
@@wardarklord1974 Thank you for the great information and I apologize for offending you. In the video I said several times that I don't know and that I am asking the community. So thank you for your contribution! 🙂
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Love the movie, just watched it few days ago.
All of the design elements mentioned in this video are not new to either 890J or Avalon. They are modern design language often used in furniture and interior design. You are looking for causation in correlation.
What's more likely is that both 890 Jump desingers and Avalon designers took inspiration from other modern/futuristic designs and applied them to each fo their projects repectively.
@@GummiSammi I can see what you mean. Thanks for the comment! ☺️
The concept for the 890j was revealed in 2014, the movie passengers was out in 2016. If they did copy, CIG had insiders at the movies. Considering the concept was shown in 2014, how long before that was a ship concept artist going through the trouble of having it approved by big daddy Chris?
Passengers came out in 2016.... the 890J was announced and concepted on
4 August 2014 and subsequently released a few years later.
@@stevecallaghan9007 Thanks for the information! ☺️
the EVA 'swimming' in the 890 is actually pretty cool
@@Mandalorian_Man Yeah! That's what I thought! Thanks for saying that. 🤣
The 890j concept was released Oct 10, 2014. Then released into the Verse in Sept 2019. However, CIG was showing sneak peaks of it for quite a while before that.
@@andrewmaughan1205 Really! So you think Passengers copied it maybe? 🤔
@@hebraist , without knowing if any of those that worked on Passengers even knew about Star Citizen while working on the movie, I've got to believe that both teams were inspired by mega yachts, giving a futuristic twist to common high end features and happened to come out with several similar designs. The old "great minds think alike " adage.
@@hebraist i think your just overthinking things. this kind of design is considered modern architect. so no ones actually copying anyone, its just modern day aesthetics.
The 890j was announced in 2014 and the movie came out in 2016. It didn't come out to the verse till 2019 though, so it's possible the developers took a lot of inspiration from the movie and pay homage to the movie with the ship's design. They've done this with a lot of ships already. Just look at the most recent Cutter. It's a nod to the Eagle 5 on Spaceballs.
@@rtek777 Thanks for the information! I appreciate your contribution.
I feel like we already know what will happen to the water in 23.3 since there are no water body physics in the game.
Also in the movie when Jennifer Lawrence is in the bubble of water, unless physics stops operating she would be able to swim easily to the edge since she is submerged in water, a medium through which she can propel herself using her limbs. That's not an effect of gravity, it's an effect of the physics of her hands/feet pushing against the water and relativity. That movie was pretty dumb.
Considering they both released at similar times, I would be charitable and say it's just coincidence. While passengers released before the 890 was in-game, it was concerted a good bit before.
@@stuartriddell2461 Yeah, sounds reasonable to me. Thanks for the comment. ☺️
I mean, nothing wring with a homage to some popular media. But if people think its wrong to do this, i feel like the 890 is the least of our issues when we have a literal X-wing
@@filipjanda5298 Absolutely. I agree. It's not wrong. I just really wonder if it's a coincidence or if they are really copying.
Considering that "Passengers" is already a complete knock-off of the 1991 teen-fiction book "Sleepers, Wake", I'm going to assume they're the ones happy to play fast and loose with derivative ship design.
@@cameronjames3499 Oh really! Never heard of Sleepers, Wake. Thanks for the cool info!
I'll be honest I expected the hide and seek video to be your next one, but this is good too
@@Ninja_star-rj5vn Hide and Seek Episode 1 Picker's Field. Coming August 17th! 😎
@@hebraist you have a date in your mind for rappel yet?
Since inventions can happen at the same time without theft or plagiarism. Joseph Swan and Thomas Edison both inventing the lightbulb, Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace both postulating evolution, Isaac Newton, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz formulating calculus concurrently as a tiny fraction of examples.
It is *imminently* possible that both a movie designer and a game designer are both inspired by, and attempting to illustrate the same kinds of luxury as the highest end yachts of our time would use very similar design languages.
They come from the same DNA... of course they resemble each other. Would be odd if they didn't, not odd that they do.
@@corwyncorey3703 agreed. That sounds reasonable. Thanks!
holy fk i never noticed how amazing this game looks.
You may not realize this, but CIG has taken ideas for ships and items from MANY MANY SCI FI shows and movies.. Pisces is a Star Trek original Shuttle design for example. P4 is an MP weapon style, Custodian the P-90, the two bladed knife (can't remember name off top) is actually a direct copy of a real life knife.. even the color.. I know because I own one of them in real life ( I did find it odd for this one that it is identical in the design of the real life knife - the only thing I have seen that is). Many other ships have clear roots in sci fi.. Reclaimer reminds you of the Aliens movie, Valkyrie as well for the dropship. There are many more but it is not just CIG that takes material of others and uses them for designs with a twist. Obviously 1 to 1 copy they don't do (except for that knife) but you can clearly see the influence of many designs of objects, ships and ground vehicles in CIG designs from other genres.
Honestly, it would be boring if there was nothing to relate to (imo)
@@Malakie That's really interesting! And cool! Thanks for the information! Star Trek shuttle! Of course! I love the Pisces. 😁
nothing in either of them is particularly new. all of those elements have been in design individually for a long time. the artists and set designers got the same prompt. build me a fancy futuristic space yacht.
@@FreebirthBoccara Thanks for the input! I appreciate it. Seems like that must have really been what happened.
It's a style, both ship and film are using that style. Nether one made it.
you know alot of the ships are inspired by Scifi show's and movies Alot of the ships even look like many ships from movies as long as its not a 1 for 1 its not theft.
Floating water effects are a pretty insane ask, so my guess is they'll either just ignore it, or eventually have some system that sucks the water into a holding tank until gravity is restored. Expect this by about year 17 after the game goes live ;-)
cig has a history of stealing.... i meant borrowing designs for their ships.
Honestly i dont think theyre straight copying like the venture and vulture are 1 to 1 basically but i think theyre just paying respects to the greats i.e. eve online and starwars mainly but idk their real intentions.
the bed isn't completely on the ground, 100% copyright infringement
The hell i want to be around the same damn people for 90 years..
The 890 was around from 2020 so before the film that was from September 2015 to February 2016. The 890 reminds me of some of the luxury super yachts, especially there use of dynamic surfaces. Loved the design aesthetic in Passengers.
@@TrogART Yes, both absolutely epic designs.
Making this video shows that you have no clue about star citizens constant design theft of other ips ship designs.
@@subgenius5150 Right, something I mentioned twice in the video.
I mean if ya wanna be technical ever since the kelvin timeline kirk movies in star trek people have been copying that white sci-fi ship design most star trek shows since those movies also carry the same medbay design arguably you could even say star trek voyager in the 90's had that same kind of luck all with subtle variations, while there are similarities it's likely they're both a love letter to star trek ship designs the enterpise, strange new worlds and discovery also share that style in their medbays and the 890's medbay is closer to those designs than this movie is it sure it's more of a paint over with a more metallic feel perhaps even enders game tech look to it or even halo but I wouldn't put directly into copying eachother theres too many difference the only thing I would argue is the corridors but it's derivative at best
but go back far enough and theres an argument to be made with any artistic design that nothing today is original just Frankenstein together with bits and pieces of other IP's, when I played valheim I argued with myself was it original it was fresh in a combination of things i'd seen before combined to make a new gaming experience but with elements of darksouls, minecraft heck even fortnite they were only small things in the way the mechanics worked and then I had to ask myself...
did it matter and the answer is no, anything you can make by hand is far more original and more derivative at best than copycatting unlike the 12000th to the power of 20 encounting PromptGeneratedImages I see on the internet everyday that makes it feel lifeless with human art it's different you can argue over it's originality but with PGI art unless the person knows their prompt it's easy to tell if a human made it or not the signs are often obvious and easily recognisable from it's flaws to faces you've seen a million times to the point your getting fed up of seeing them and wish there was a filter on some sites so you could just see the real hand digtal artist works!
i'm no artist not gone back to it in a long time i've always been a gamer first unlike my sibling, but heck even i'm getting kinda fedup hearing ai this and that it's not even ai it's just an algorythm all programming no thought or self awareness we aint in terminator or i-robot yet just the few experimental edge cases or heck those could be programmed to fool the masses too everyones got this morecambe fascination with machines rising up and trying to end us!
that aside my point stands as simple as this wtf even is originality even those we believe to be an original of something take inspiration from others i've no doubt in my mind theres some 1800's science fixing book with a description of a ship strikingly similar sounding to the 890 jumps rooms or star treks and even the Avalon's somewhere and an attempt to call it stealing feels clickbait at best!
kids in the 2010's were using terms like memes it wasn't called that originally but theres references to actual memes dating back to 1800's they just didn't call em memes heck for all we know Egyptian hieroglyphs themselves might have some of their culture's memes mixed in, is our modern use of gifs and memes not to dissimilar from glyphs, someone made a rock and buried it planning to leave memes etched on stone to be unearthed 10000 yrs from now (till the public and government decided to get rid of it cause they didn't want people of the future misinterpreting our history and muddying future archaeological findings long after this age is gone)
just so ya know I know i'm coming off as pissy i'm not, i'm just bad at wording things so it ends up coming off as a rant i'm just rambling
but yeah I think it is just typical sci-fi design more importantly it's 21st century futuristic you go back to 70's & before no touch screens buttons everywhere just like the old doctor who stuff and earlier they used buttons the 90's was kinda high contrast black on red, with a carpet on the bridge
so theres 50's sci-fi aesthetic then 60's sci-fi, 70's, 80's and then 90's and now 2000's and 2010's today is sort of mixture of everything since the 80's for sci-fi design this era has been a melting pot with no fresh designs on a sci-fi ships that i've seen in the past 4yrs of the 2020's if you can think of one lemme know alot of the 890 jump actually makes me think of tron
the Cyclone makes me think of the Halo Warthog and the Ranger TR reminds me of Chistopher Nolan's Batcycle the Ursa looks like NASA's mars rover design the reclaimer is some weird mix of the Serenity & the ship from Alien but with it's own creative liberty when I say looks like I mean at first glance but theres always their own reiteration of the original design the Avenger's original ship design in 2.8 looks more like the horizontal takeoff shuttle nasa uses because of it's plating and color choices it's since been redesigned and looks more futuristic with less riveting but looking closer to the early United Earth Federation vessel from the title intro to the 2000's enterprise series!
The scorpius straight up looks like an x-wing with a darker more realistic modern approach while the the liberator looks similar to some of the republic ships from the clone wars series!
there will be variation even if the person has the memory in the back of their mind they might pictur a design and draw from that image not realising it's something they've seen before because they forgot
it's wholistically possible the ones who made the 890 had seen the avalon but had simply forgotten they'd seen it and when going for the art style it was just simply coincidence slightly guided by vague memory, also just as likely it was intentional and they did copy... but the fact is it's different enough that you couldn't call it stealing because copyright wouldn't see it that way!
the way works are in the IP and copyright protection act is, is it close enough to the source material to call it a copy and the answer is no, so I would ask yourself rather than whats similar about the ship perhaps try to list what is differences where do the similarities end and diverge into the artists own little flair!
@@Dr.Kryptanical wow! That was epic! This is exactly the kind of response I was hoping for. Someone with much more insight to help me wrap my head around it. I agree with everything you said. And well said! I so much appreciate the time, thought, and effort you put into writing all that! Thank you very very much!
I saw something similar in Star Wars 🤓
@@powehi1710 Yeah, the Scorpius is like the x wing, the Corsair is like the imperial shuttle, and there is one like the B-wing. Can't remember the name. It's awesome!
@hebraist I saw something yea, found it kinda cool, though I wouldn't have bought it myself, but I'd love to see them just passing by
hey just some friendly advice, if you name your video "who stole the design? ..."
people are going to expect that YOU did the research to answer the question you yourself posed and that would be part of or all of the content within the video.
kinda not cool to set up a fight you aren't prepared to referee over, or provide any real insight
@@MotherNature26 Great advice. Got a suggestion that I can change the title to?
Done. I changed the title and I'll change the thumb too. Thanks again for being honest and taking the time to help me out.❤
@@hebraist not sure, oh, but it looks like you changed it, and it makes more sense
@@MotherNature26 working on the thumbnail now.
@@MotherNature26 How's that?
What is the point of this video?
@@calvinhobbs1761 The point is to ask the community if they have any info on this and to demonstrate the comparisons and test the water. Do you have any info to contribute? Thanks.
The earliest mention of the 890J concept I can find after seeing your click bait title is November 19, 2013 and the movie Passengers didn't come out till 2016. Trying to stir stuff up that the 890 design was stolen is f'd up and likely a violation of RUclips terms of service considering it's misinformation!
@@reverendzombie72 I simply wanted to ask the community their thoughts on this since I thought it interesting. I appreciate your contribution! 2013! Wow! That was so long ago, I am really surprised. Thanks for the information.☺️
There were so many other similarities too. Like Pratt's original hab, the bridge, observation room, even the door buttons. But this is why I mentioned it might all just be typical sci-fi ship design. I have seen a lot of sci-fi movies but never noticed so many similarities until this one.
CIG has a dsitinct lack of talent when it come to designing their things, cod like fps hit markers, ship designs all copied and slightly changed from somewhere else, the list can go on for quite some time.....
The movie copied off star citizen. The very first concept sale Origin 890 JUMP was October 2014.
There was a brochure published with the ship
what showed you everything about the ship and also the interior of the ship.
I bought the ship in 2014 with the brochure
show you the art style inside the ship.
Do yourself a favour before you make speculated videos
please do your homework correctly.
It doesn't make your channel look very good and it doesn't make you look very good.
@@wardarklord1974 Thank you for the great information and I apologize for offending you. In the video I said several times that I don't know and that I am asking the community. So thank you for your contribution! 🙂