A top USL team could probably get more points in MLS than the New England Revolution, Chicago Fire or Sporting KC. MLS sides are more talented but a well run team with less talent is going to be more consistent than a talented team that is run poorly.
I would want to say yes, but the closest example we had of this was when FC Cincinnati came up from USL in 2019. I believe they had more USL players from 2018 than any other expansion team ever and they came dead last.
Ordinarily when a team gets promoted, they get a few major signings that can potentially help the team in the top flight. And I wonder if Cincinnati might have had a different season if they were promoted instead of being an expansion team.
@@erickbyarushengo4726 it's a very fair point you make. Cincinnati had just paid a massive expansion fee and was also spending hundreds of millions on a new stadium they absolutely went cheap on the roster the first season in mls
@@RogueHetero you mentioned something that I never thought about. In other leagues, where they have promotion/relegation, they already have a stadium in place. Whereas these MLS teams have to spend so much money on an expensive stadium. And there are times when a fancy new stadium isn’t so necessary. I can easily see Sacramento or Louisville doing fine with the current venues they use. If only every expansion team was given the privilege of not having a stadium planned ahead of time like they were told and just play in a baseball stadium instead for the unseeable future.
San Antonio FC was pushing hard to be moved up a few years ago. Then MLS decided to give expansion to Austin. The fans in San Antonio just have another reason to not like Austin
Tampa Bay Rowdies would compete. But they won’t let them move up because Orlando has a MLS franchise and they don’t want to compete in central FL for the fan base. Same reason the NBA won’t place a franchise in Tampa with the Magic in Orlando. Thing is, neither the Magic or Orlando City get any sports coverage on TV in the Tampa area because Tampa isn’t interested in Orlando sports teams.
I mean once they get the money, and can get in better players, probably a lot of them. Some of the MLS teams just don't have any passion, and would lose out.
The question was not if a USL could WIN an MLS conference, it was if they could avoid relegation. The fact Sacramento FC went to the open cup final shows that they could compete in the MLS not just avoid relegation. Louisville City, Indy 11, Tampa Bay all could displace some of these bottom MLS teams. It would challenge the owners to make more investment in the team to keep them competitive. John Fisher is doing to San Jose what he has done to MLBs A’s, it’s a disgrace! The problem would be condensing the league to 20-24 teams with home and away fixtures for all. Then USL teams would struggle being on level playing field with solid mid tier MLS teams.
The answer is yes because all MLS teams have shit defenders and goalkeepers. They spend millions on forwards or a midfielders and hire amateurs for defenders. So yea a USL team would probably win their cup if they signed real defenders.
MLS has to incorporate promo/relegation. Until then, it’s a gimmick league. Games means nothing. It’s unwatchable for me. Can’t wait for euros and copa and the start of the 24/25 top 7 leagues.
29 teams soon 30 with San Diego coming and no relegation. Merge both leagues and start relegation. Take the bottom 10 throw them to the 2nd division. 3 up 3 down every season.
I’m for pro/rel and would like to see it happen here, but I can’t see it happening anytime soon, even if MLS buys out USL, etc and puts it all under the mls umbrella. they want that nfl socialist style even though a good chunk of the nfl owners are also in the EPL or English league. playoffs will remain because there’s to many teams in the league and they don’t all play each other. Unless you switch things up with divisions but then it’s unfair as well since they won’t play home/away. There is a salary cap to an extent in Europe but it’s different compared to the hard-cap in nfl. The roster rules are even more complicated with gam, tam, etc
@@Kyleterp1 In summary....MLS will never be a real league, and if you spend your money supporting it you are being scammed......Lastly those complicated roster rules you site, the league is more than willing to throw them out the window if they get in the way. Many examples of that. It is a joke of a "league".
Can't wait to see an LA team, both NY teams, and the Chicago Fire get relegated. would be GREAT for MLS don't ya think??? Those giant markets... no professional soccer for a 12hr drive each way... would be WONDERFUL! You bozo's never think about it realistically. It would NOT work financially. You think Messi is gonna live in Des Moines Iowa because they are the new top team in MLS after 10 years? get real....
Then don't get relegated. Why does New York and LA deserve to have two teams protected in the top division, but you can't have a Louisville or a Sacramento? Why does Chicago Fire deserve to be protected, if they aren't going to put up the effort to stay up? How did the MLS survive prior to NYCFC and LAFC if they are both so crucial to the MLS' success, and weren't there at the start? Why are the MLS fan bases so weak that going down a division is seen as instant death for their clubs? What's the point of all the ownership rules requiring the owners being the richest of the rich, but if they were to get relegated somehow their clubs wouldn't survive?
@@snapplefaxs8704 It's not about deserving or entitlement. It's about economics bud. They need a team because if you have years where entire WORLD CHANGING markets don't have professional soccer that's not good bud. There are 7 premier league teams in London alone. Even if you live in Norwich (considered a long way from London by the brits) it's a 2hr train ride to London to see premier League football. Los Angeles to Sacramento is a 10hr train ride...THAT'S IN THE SAME STATE. The scale of the country and the specific markets dictate that it's best for business to ensure you don't alienate entire massive markets.
@@d3eztrickz It's one hundred percent entitlement. If it was economic, they wouldn't have two teams in one city, nor would they make a whole new team in a city were there was a preexisting team.
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A top USL team could probably get more points in MLS than the New England Revolution, Chicago Fire or Sporting KC. MLS sides are more talented but a well run team with less talent is going to be more consistent than a talented team that is run poorly.
Yes sporting sucks.
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How dare you leave out my San Jose Earthquakes?
No.
No.
New Mexico United fan here, but I think Tampa Bay Rowdies could be an MLS contender.
I never understood why the original tampa team, ( mutiny) couldn't use the rowdie name? They would probably still be around,
Louisville city fc!!!
New Mexico United
Facts. We always find a way.
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I would want to say yes, but the closest example we had of this was when FC Cincinnati came up from USL in 2019. I believe they had more USL players from 2018 than any other expansion team ever and they came dead last.
Ordinarily when a team gets promoted, they get a few major signings that can potentially help the team in the top flight. And I wonder if Cincinnati might have had a different season if they were promoted instead of being an expansion team.
@@erickbyarushengo4726 it's a very fair point you make. Cincinnati had just paid a massive expansion fee and was also spending hundreds of millions on a new stadium they absolutely went cheap on the roster the first season in mls
@@RogueHetero you mentioned something that I never thought about. In other leagues, where they have promotion/relegation, they already have a stadium in place. Whereas these MLS teams have to spend so much money on an expensive stadium. And there are times when a fancy new stadium isn’t so necessary. I can easily see Sacramento or Louisville doing fine with the current venues they use. If only every expansion team was given the privilege of not having a stadium planned ahead of time like they were told and just play in a baseball stadium instead for the unseeable future.
CPL and USL would be great to have included into an MLS system. Forge FC has played very well over the last few years as well.
San Antonio FC was pushing hard to be moved up a few years ago. Then MLS decided to give expansion to Austin. The fans in San Antonio just have another reason to not like Austin
Going to watch my first USL game soon excited to see how the level of play is!!
It's below mls,
@@brando7266 multiple teams have come up to the mls via expansions and succeeded immediately
San Antonio FC
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Tampa Bay Rowdies would compete. But they won’t let them move up because Orlando has a MLS franchise and they don’t want to compete in central FL for the fan base. Same reason the NBA won’t place a franchise in Tampa with the Magic in Orlando. Thing is, neither the Magic or Orlando City get any sports coverage on TV in the Tampa area because Tampa isn’t interested in Orlando sports teams.
USl not a Minor League association or trying to be in the real question is what team did left the USL going to leave MLS and come back to USl.
I mean once they get the money, and can get in better players, probably a lot of them. Some of the MLS teams just don't have any passion, and would lose out.
That the only way we get a pyramid, USL gets as big as MLS and we get a merger
Sacramento
Lets go DCFC
MLSPA vetoes PRO-REL
No
No. USL quality isn’t there
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The question was not if a USL could WIN an MLS conference, it was if they could avoid relegation. The fact Sacramento FC went to the open cup final shows that they could compete in the MLS not just avoid relegation. Louisville City, Indy 11, Tampa Bay all could displace some of these bottom MLS teams. It would challenge the owners to make more investment in the team to keep them competitive. John Fisher is doing to San Jose what he has done to MLBs A’s, it’s a disgrace!
The problem would be condensing the league to 20-24 teams with home and away fixtures for all. Then USL teams would struggle being on level playing field with solid mid tier MLS teams.
The answer is yes because all MLS teams have shit defenders and goalkeepers. They spend millions on forwards or a midfielders and hire amateurs for defenders. So yea a USL team would probably win their cup if they signed real defenders.
Seattle is an example of a club that moved up and did good. Made playoffs in like their first few seasons and won like 3 straight US Open Cups
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A regulation league would make the league more respected and in the long run it will make mls a lot stronger
Most USL clubs would probably fold before the season ends because of the finances required for them to play in MLS.
MLS has to incorporate promo/relegation. Until then, it’s a gimmick league. Games means nothing. It’s unwatchable for me. Can’t wait for euros and copa and the start of the 24/25 top 7 leagues.
The now defunct San Diego Loyal probably would’ve had a shot at MLS I believe. ⚽️
They were going to build a new stadium here in Sacramento on the water. Don't think it's going to happens.
DC United should have been relegated years ago and ownership forced to sell the team
hopefully MLS will institute pro/rel one day, I'd choose a club and start watching immediately!
the MLSPA doesn't want PRO-REL
Too much franchising for that to happen
@@timpot4855 It's true, I'm not holding my breath. I expect that I'll never be able to see a true soccer pyramid in the US in my lfetime.
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Phoenix rising!!!!!
29 teams soon 30 with San Diego coming and no relegation. Merge both leagues and start relegation. Take the bottom 10 throw them to the 2nd division. 3 up 3 down every season.
you just never know too; getting promoted can galvanize a team and transform them into a first div team
US/Mexico/Canada should make a MLS league period
Sacramento republic!!!!
Hamilton Forge FC 100%, i am biased :)
Hell yeah! Sacramento!
Republic 🔥🔥
Could a CPL team make the jump?
I would love to see an exhibition game between Canadian Premier league and the USL championship actually.
No
Make it a preseason cup like the community shield.
Lou city would be a playoff team in mls
Yes a s a St. Louis fan we would love Louisville.
MLS will never be a real league without promotion/relegation...and a few other things....no salary cap, no playoffs, to name just a couple.
I’m for pro/rel and would like to see it happen here, but I can’t see it happening anytime soon, even if MLS buys out USL, etc and puts it all under the mls umbrella. they want that nfl socialist style even though a good chunk of the nfl owners are also in the EPL or English league. playoffs will remain because there’s to many teams in the league and they don’t all play each other. Unless you switch things up with divisions but then it’s unfair as well since they won’t play home/away. There is a salary cap to an extent in Europe but it’s different compared to the hard-cap in nfl. The roster rules are even more complicated with gam, tam, etc
@@Kyleterp1 In summary....MLS will never be a real league, and if you spend your money supporting it you are being scammed......Lastly those complicated roster rules you site, the league is more than willing to throw them out the window if they get in the way. Many examples of that. It is a joke of a "league".
Can't wait to see an LA team, both NY teams, and the Chicago Fire get relegated. would be GREAT for MLS don't ya think??? Those giant markets... no professional soccer for a 12hr drive each way... would be WONDERFUL! You bozo's never think about it realistically. It would NOT work financially. You think Messi is gonna live in Des Moines Iowa because they are the new top team in MLS after 10 years? get real....
Then don't get relegated. Why does New York and LA deserve to have two teams protected in the top division, but you can't have a Louisville or a Sacramento? Why does Chicago Fire deserve to be protected, if they aren't going to put up the effort to stay up? How did the MLS survive prior to NYCFC and LAFC if they are both so crucial to the MLS' success, and weren't there at the start? Why are the MLS fan bases so weak that going down a division is seen as instant death for their clubs? What's the point of all the ownership rules requiring the owners being the richest of the rich, but if they were to get relegated somehow their clubs wouldn't survive?
@@snapplefaxs8704 It's not about deserving or entitlement. It's about economics bud. They need a team because if you have years where entire WORLD CHANGING markets don't have professional soccer that's not good bud. There are 7 premier league teams in London alone. Even if you live in Norwich (considered a long way from London by the brits) it's a 2hr train ride to London to see premier League football. Los Angeles to Sacramento is a 10hr train ride...THAT'S IN THE SAME STATE. The scale of the country and the specific markets dictate that it's best for business to ensure you don't alienate entire massive markets.
@@d3eztrickz It's one hundred percent entitlement. If it was economic, they wouldn't have two teams in one city, nor would they make a whole new team in a city were there was a preexisting team.