Atlanta gets 73,000 for big games and could probably average about 60k for regular games if the upper deck wasn’t blocked of so the idea that they have too much seating is simply false
For purposes of soccer, Yankee stadium hands down the worst. Understand that its a nicer stadium than some over the other multi-use but playing soccer in a baseball stadium is a joke. Field is super narrow
Minnesota used to have the worse stadium setup with the Metrodome and the Met Center. Excel Energy Center, Target Field, US Bank Stadium, and now Allianz Field give the Twin Cities some of the best premium experiences in sports viewing.
Ridiculously obvious you haven’t actually been to the vast majority of these stadiums for an MLS match. You should probably rename this piece “I rate my favourite pictures of stadiums.”
Ranking Charlotte, Atlanta, and Seattle so low is shocking. Atlanta and Charlotte consistently get massive crowds, and Lumen Field is one of the best atmospheres in the league. All of these are wayyyy clear of trash like Dicks Sporting Goods Park...
It is all about clicks. I doubt he has been to any of the stadiums, and the fact that BC Place ranks so high being a "soccer-only stadium" (because the CFL does not count) and it is older than Charlotte, Seattle, or Atlanta's multi-purpose stadiums with much worse amenities, I'd rank those 4 stadiums Atlanta, Seattle (both built with soccer-specific lower bowls), Charlotte and finally Vancouver.
He’s obviously never been to Charlotte. Sure it’s not new and flashy, but it’s a decent stadium with everything an mls team could need plus you can’t really get a bad seat anywhere
He is ranking the stadiums not the crowds. It's not crazy to think that a modern soccer specific stadium is better than an aging NFL stadium never designed with soccer in mind. This is saying nothing about the atmosphere/crowd (as obviously Seattle, atl, and Charlotte all draw well)
Agreed, he really needs to take 2 seconds to say "home of the such and such soccer team" after saying the stadium name. Googling stadium names to figure out where the heck it is gets annoying.
The Chicago Fire originally played at Soldier Field, but they built their own 20K seat stadium in 2006 and played their until 2019. They must have moved back to Soldier Field for the capacity. Once the Bears move out, maybe they'll do another major renovation to Soldier Field for the Fire.
and the fact the stadium was located all the way out in Bridgeview which is 40 minutes from Downtown Chicago & public transportation to it was non existent, which made it difficult for fans to come to games.
@@chrisguardiano6143SeatGeek Stadium in Bridgeview where the Fire used to play is the home of the NWSL's Red Stars, but they also struggle with attendance at that location.
Fire FC II play their MLS Next Pro games there as well, and they too struggle to get crowds in the triple digits. It's a beautiful field, though- easily the best looking one in MLS Next Pro.
They didn’t move back because they needed capacity. They moved back because no one liked to drive to the suburbs to watch the Fire. They hoped by moving back into the heart of the city they would grow their very small fan base.
Another major problem: the Fire have been TERRIBLE as of late. A small microcosm of what’s currently going on… we signed a guy named Barlow from NYRB. Their fans are thanking us for taking him off their hands…
BC Place is multipurpose and it is not soccer only. It’s primary tenant is it’s original occupant, the CFL’s BC Lions. Since they moved in in 1983. Pretty awesome dome since the massive renovation in 2012.
PayPal Park is nicer than you give it credit for. The open end provides a nice view of the Diablo Mtns and planes taking off/landing at the San Jose airport and you’re looking at the LOBINA (largest outdoor bar in North America) which is always packed.
@@raulrojas4033 The Revs are a loss leader for Kraft, it fills stadium dates and drives traffic to the shops and restaurants (Patriot Place) around the stadium during Pats offseason. Also gets Kraft bookings for international friendlies and tournaments like the World Cup.
Gillette Stadium is without any doubt the worst in MLS. Maybe Bank of America/Soldier Field is comparable, don’t know cuz I never went there, but I can testify firsthand that Gillette is a horrible place for soccer😢
Seattle and Atlanta should be much higher, as both fanbases have shown the ability to sell out the full stadium on occasion. Lumen Field in particular is an incredible environment.
I don't understand why they are building MLS stadiums so small. As you said, Atlanta and Charlotte are selling much higher than the capacity of every MLS only stadium. Atlanta averaged 45,000 a game last year. I honestly don't see why they don't stay in an NFL stadium if they have the capacity to sell that many seats.
@@donkraemer50as of right now they usually only fill up if they’re good. If they’re bad than they don’t sell as much. The Philadelphia Union is 2nd but still fails to sellout sometimes
I've been to Exploria Stadium before and out of all the other sports venues i've been to in the United States Exploria was by far the cleanest and just overall the nicest to be in, idk if all MLS Stadiums are like that but I thought that was cool for MLS
Bank of America is not the worst having been there even though it’s oversized. Atlanta and Seattle were massively underrated by you, as Atlanta’s Stadium is Beautiful and Atlanta United have top 10 average attendance in the world for Football.
United are top 50 worldwide for average attendance. Seattle used to be, until they started scheduling too many matches during the week. But pre-2020, when most of Seattle's home matches were on the weekend, they had much higher attendance and would sell out a tarp-less stadium for all Cascadia Cup matches plus against Atlanta and both LA teams.
so with citypark, the roof panels are supposed to resemble the pieces of the gateway arch. The glass paneling at the south end is the mich ultra club, and they kept all 4 corners of the stadium open so that the stadium can be connected with the "city". also too, it is expandable up to 25,000 seats if they deemed necessary
slick shuda put more respect on seattle and atlanta, yes they are NFL stadiums but they have passionate fanbases that occasionally sell out the entire stadium even without tarps/curtains
the cincinnati stadium is for me no.2. the design, location, and exterior lighting keeps it high. the grand staircase is great. Plus mls is looking to build a hotel plus a soccer village around the stadium. No. 1 looks great but has a small capacity. No. 2 is green? It loses to cincy on overall location and redevelopment of a historic area of town (OTR) which includes a brewery district (breweries being reworked from a Brewery district.. Besides its built on the site of an old brewery and just across the street is a Sam Adams brewery.
Europeans see that if they want to see a football/soccer atmosphere that they're used to but in USA, the place to go is Seattle. They seem to understand it there, and Lumen Field is a good stadium for a good atmosphere. Either there or Portland.
All of the fans that Europeans make fun of are Seattle. They give good fans (like Portland) a bad rap overseas because of how cringy and boring the seattle chants sre
I was just looking at attendance stats. Some of the teams that play in NFL stadiums pull huge crowds. Atlanta averaged over 45,000 and Charlotte averaged over 35,000, Seattle almost 32,000 per game last year. Why do they build the new stadiums around the 20,000 range? Many other teams average almost full capacity each game.
My theory is they're trying to be at a place where the demand for in person viewing regularly exceeds supply, in an effort to get more people watching on TV. MLS still struggles with those numbers. I do also think that some of these soccer specific stadia are built with the national team in mind. Against a lot of opponents, the USMNT could play in front of 70,000 people- as long as they don't mind that 40 to 50 thousand of them are cheering against them. Supporter culture for the national team is in a place right now where 20k or so is a nice number. You can get enough supporters to buy discounted tickets, travel, and fill 70 to 80% of those seats and some of the hostile anti-US fans are priced out of the rest of them. It's all part of the struggle to put our national team in front of a friendly crowd within our own country. Here's my suggestion. If you want to see larger soccer specific stadia, join the American Outlaws or a similar group, meet up and watch some games, and occasionally buy a ticket and travel to attend a game. Membership is 30 bucks a year. Get someone to buy it for you as a gift. See it up close and find out how we're doing with filling these stadiums as fans. If we get to a point where fans of the USMNT can be relied on to fill a 70,000 seat stadium for a Nations League match against Costa Rica or a Gold Cup match against Jamaica and the local MLS club will also fill a stadium that size 17 times a year for regular season games, then yeah, we will work with those numbers. At this point, however, there really are two different numbers to think about. This isn't just about MLS fans- with a lot of these stadia, it's also the infrastructure for the national team. Men's and women's too, I might add. Where are the women going to play, and what type of crowd size will they bring in? Yeah, I guess there's three different numbers to think about. And for sure, there are certain areas where it's more focused. New York City is more strictly focused on serving the MLS club, for example. But for a lot of these smaller market teams that are building a new stadium, they are thinking about two or three different sets of numbers and they usually build within the constraints of the smallest number.
@mmmcounts I actually did wonder if it had something to do with the TV contract. Maybe thier contract only allows certain capacity so more people will watch it on TV
Providence park is actually so goated, not because of Oregonian bias, but it’s literally a MAX station for rail, and it is much louder than you think and it’s design
DRV PNK Stadium was built on the site of the former Lockhart Stadium, which was the home of the original Miami Fusion franchise in the early 2000s. The fact that a temporary stadium is a massive upgrade to the permanent stadium that used to sit there tells you why the Fusion didn’t last long in the MLS.
Love Allianz field. Coming from a guy who lives in St. Paul. Though, I wished they built it in a safer neighborhood. The midway area isn’t the nicest part but it is convenient with the light rail next to it.
Atlanta and Seattle should be so much higher on this list even though they play in a NFL stadium. both in top 3 for attendance. Atlanta averages 45,000 a game and both teams have sold out the hole stadium on some occurrences
From the outside Allianz Field reminds me of the Allianz Arena in Munich. Allianz must like stadiums though cos there's also Allianz Park rugby stadium in London and I'm sure there's an Allianz Stadium in Sydney which also hosts rugby I think but rugby league as opposed to rugby union which for those not in the know are two slightly different variations of the sport (long story).
The thing with Mercedes Benz is that Atlanta fills it’s supposed soccer capacity, which is around 45,000, so I think it could be a permanent home for them!
Exploria has exclusive club level seating on the west side in between the top and bottom decks with club suites and the west club behind the upper deck with exclusive seating and dining area. Also was the first stadium in MLS to create a standing only supporters section, which has been copied on most of the new MLS builds. It also has one of the very best actual grass fields in MLS, with great drainage and impeccable, perfect grass for the playing surface. Granted, I am not saying it is the best in the league buy any means, but probably top 10 for sure.
if allianz stadium had more seating area it’d be nicer, it looks very big from the outside, and i think the inside has a lot of potential to grow in seating and capacity
BMO Field in Toronto is technically a multi-purpose stadium. It was built as a soccer only stadium for the Toronto FC but the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL moved in there later on.
As someone who lives across the strait from Vancouver, I just need to comment on the opening map placing Vancouver in Alaska. Yes, I realize that maps are USA-centric, and so this is just a fun push-back that my citizenship compels me to do, politely. :) Yes, Vancouver is actually in that empty white space of nothingness, that doesn't exist on some people's maps. It's a secret, LOL.
While there was a slight blue streak above the border on the map shown, he disregarded the BC Lions and the CFL by saying the Whitecaps were the only tenant.
Cloud City is a strong contender for best arena in the Twin Cities and that's saying something considering we have four top-10 venues in their major-level sports (Target Field, US Bank Stadium, Allianz Field, and Xcel Energy Center, plus you can argue that Roy Wilkins Auditorium is one of the best venues for roller derby in the entire WFTDA, but we're HARDLY a major sport)
At Providence Park here in Portland, the old building it’s up against is actually an exclusive athletic club. Known to be one of the largest indoor athletic clubs in the world.
I think Atlanta should be ranked low but not for the reasons discussed. It's designed for the NFL, turf that looks like plastic, and most seats are fairly far from the field. The first games at Georgia Tech's Bobby Dodd stadium, you were much closer, the views were actually better, and it was grass. It just needed more concessions, bathrooms, and a roof.
@@johananabraham1659 That's technically true, but I would say it's more designed to accommodate soccer rather than for soccer, e.g. playing indoors on turf.
@@sgmctague I see where you're coming from, but the turf is only there for sustainability purposes. Grass would be very hard to maintain with two teams playing on it at the same time, sometimes on consecutive days. I really wish it was grass, tho
As a Dynamo fan, Shell Energy (Formerly BBVA Compass Stadium) is ranked about right. I hope in the future it’s renovated to where the canopy covers all the seats like many of the other stadiums in the league do.
I'm a Dynamo fan and I've been longing for a roof renovation. When it opened in 2012, it was a top 5 stadium. We've quickly fallen behind by all the new ones and I feel like we're overdue for a new roof. With the seats being recently renovated, I hope the roof follows.
PayPal Park is pretty decent. I love it. It's inline with EFL 1 or EFL 2 stadiums. The park behind the bar/scoreboard is great during match days. They have kids area, food trucks, and activities to do before the match starts.
I’m a bit surprised Toyota Stadium wasn’t ranked a bit higher. The pictures shown don’t really give it justice though. We renovated the south end, and it now has the National Soccer Hall of Fame as well as a huge indoor meeting area and a canopy for the south seats
You have a clear lack of knowledge about some MLS franchises. Lumen Field and Mercedes Benz stadium often sell out for MLS games, because Atlanta United and the Sounders are very well supported teams. Also it would be extremely difficult to build a new stadium in central Seattle, so this is a decent alternative.
As a Timbers fan, I would say that Providence Park is pretty good, however needs to demolish the Multnomah Athletics Club building (Building that occupies one of the side of the stadium) and convert that into seating.
My clasification points 1to10 from the point view of the game presentation on TV 1. S. Louis =10 / 2. Nashville= 9.7 / 3. Minesota= 9 / LAFC=9 / ATX=9 / 6. S.Lake=8.6 / 7.K.C.=8.6 / 8.Cncinati=8.5 / 9. Columbus =8.2 / 10 Glxy=8 / Orlando=8 / Seattle=8 / 13. Red Bull = 7.5 / Mimi = 7.5 / 15. Philadelfia = 7 / Montreal = 7 / Dallas = 7 / Huston = 7 / Vancuver = 7 /Chicago = 7 / 21. D.C. United = 6.7 / 22. Portland =6.5 / 23. Charlote = 6.2 / 24. Toronto = 6 / Colorado =6 /26. S. Jose = 5.5 / 27. Atlanta = 4.6 / 28 New England = 4 / NYC = 4 What you want for good soccer game presentation on TV is the unbroken wall of people always in TV camera view and they reaction. And S. Louis stadium shows on TV camera unbroken wall of people always in the camera view , so the TV viewer can see people reaction to the game. So it gives the best TV game presentation.
Seattle and Atlanta near the bottom because "tOo MaNY sEAtS!" A bit of very quick research shows why they have the excess seats. However, as they're NFL grounds with NFL capacity, they must not be good for Seattle, Atlanta or the MLS .....
He didn’t forget anything, just doesn’t care. He expects every city to have a flashy, new, modern stadium which he’s not going to go to anyways. BOA is a great stadium
Gillette Stadium is the worst to play on according to the players, Seattle is great when it is full the roof keeps the sound in, BMO in Toronto seats are comfortable and every seat has a close and great view of the field, there is more to a good mls stadium then what it looks like empty or the upper deck
I like how his explanation for the overhang was about “how much it rains in Seattle”…🤔😂 this guy has no clue that lumenz has broken numerous decible level records in its lifetime. Feels like his content is based off of common knowledge as opposed to hard hitting research and considering he mispronounced “Subaru”, I would testify that my notions are correct
When you do these stadium/arenas/parks rankings please also name the team or teams that play at them. Many of us don't know the teams that play there just by the park's name. Thanks .
it's not even a problem because they fill them for every game. I get having some nfl stadiums low, because they don't incorporate the MLS teams into the stadium with shops and other stuff. But Lumen Field and Mercedes Benz do that and it's criminal for them to be so low.
@@anthonyrivera3520 according to the trajectory, Atlanta would need a 2nd stadium that has the seating of at least 70,000 to 80,000 fans (which the newly built Mercedes Stadium currently has)...I don't think Atlanta United will be getting it's own stadium for that reason...
The chicago fire had their own stadium, SeatGeek Stadium, but they actively chose to leave the stadium to return to soldier field. So they don't need their own place if they left their own place to return to soldier field.
@@beartackle I think that was one of the reasons they moved because of the commute for the fans. I honestly think when the bears move, they need to make a soldier field-ish stadium for the chicago fire.
Honestly Saputo Stadium in Montreal is super classy. Amazing stadium. I do think unless you have been... your rankings seem to be off. Dallas stadium is a joke compred to most.
7:49 no way bro pronounced “Subaru” like that 💀💀😭
lol maybe he thought it was the pizza chain..? lol
Hopefully he had pizza on the mind, and even then, it ain't much of an excuse. He also fucked up the pronunciation of Audi.
Sbarro Pizza Stadium?
i was thinking the same thing😭
I heard Sbarru 😂
Atlanta gets 73,000 for big games and could probably average about 60k for regular games if the upper deck wasn’t blocked of so the idea that they have too much seating is simply false
Right, like I've been to an Atlanta United game where there were close to 80,000 fans if not more
Like where did you learn how to read 😅😅 Terrible job in pronouncing some of the name
For purposes of soccer, Yankee stadium hands down the worst. Understand that its a nicer stadium than some over the other multi-use but playing soccer in a baseball stadium is a joke. Field is super narrow
Agreed and I’m a diehard Yankees fan and casual NYCFC fan. It’s the worst venue in MLS by default.
Minnesota used to have the worse stadium setup with the Metrodome and the Met Center. Excel Energy Center, Target Field, US Bank Stadium, and now Allianz Field give the Twin Cities some of the best premium experiences in sports viewing.
target center (the arena) is really bad so that brings them down
@@17ethannI think it looks pretty good after the renovation.
remember where they used to play back when they were in the NASL? they've come a long way since then!
Having Atlanta's stadium at the bottom and BC Place top 10? I would swap them having been to both. Seattle and Atlanta do well in football stadiums
Considering Atlanta could actually fill their entire stadium
starting to doubt this guy's mls experience
to be fair the stadium was built with ATL UTD in mind, it wasn't built just for football
yeah.. AtlantaUTD has the second highest average attendance in all of soccer in both north and south america...
@@GoalHornGeekthey average like 50-60k and could average more if the top wasn’t blocked off
Ridiculously obvious you haven’t actually been to the vast majority of these stadiums for an MLS match. You should probably rename this piece “I rate my favourite pictures of stadiums.”
I’ve been looking for this comment. Couldn’t be more correct 😂
Ranking Charlotte, Atlanta, and Seattle so low is shocking. Atlanta and Charlotte consistently get massive crowds, and Lumen Field is one of the best atmospheres in the league. All of these are wayyyy clear of trash like Dicks Sporting Goods Park...
It is all about clicks. I doubt he has been to any of the stadiums, and the fact that BC Place ranks so high being a "soccer-only stadium" (because the CFL does not count) and it is older than Charlotte, Seattle, or Atlanta's multi-purpose stadiums with much worse amenities, I'd rank those 4 stadiums Atlanta, Seattle (both built with soccer-specific lower bowls), Charlotte and finally Vancouver.
He’s obviously never been to Charlotte. Sure it’s not new and flashy, but it’s a decent stadium with everything an mls team could need plus you can’t really get a bad seat anywhere
I can't imagine this dude pulled ticket sales when making this list 😭 there's no way
He is ranking the stadiums not the crowds. It's not crazy to think that a modern soccer specific stadium is better than an aging NFL stadium never designed with soccer in mind. This is saying nothing about the atmosphere/crowd (as obviously Seattle, atl, and Charlotte all draw well)
Football stadiums automatically bottom of the list. Only Baseball stadiums go below them.
On several stadiums, you do not even mention the team that plays there or where the stadium is located. Not a good critique.
Agreed, he really needs to take 2 seconds to say "home of the such and such soccer team" after saying the stadium name. Googling stadium names to figure out where the heck it is gets annoying.
The Chicago Fire originally played at Soldier Field, but they built their own 20K seat stadium in 2006 and played their until 2019. They must have moved back to Soldier Field for the capacity. Once the Bears move out, maybe they'll do another major renovation to Soldier Field for the Fire.
and the fact the stadium was located all the way out in Bridgeview which is 40 minutes from Downtown Chicago & public transportation to it was non existent, which made it difficult for fans to come to games.
@@chrisguardiano6143SeatGeek Stadium in Bridgeview where the Fire used to play is the home of the NWSL's Red Stars, but they also struggle with attendance at that location.
Fire FC II play their MLS Next Pro games there as well, and they too struggle to get crowds in the triple digits. It's a beautiful field, though- easily the best looking one in MLS Next Pro.
They didn’t move back because they needed capacity. They moved back because no one liked to drive to the suburbs to watch the Fire. They hoped by moving back into the heart of the city they would grow their very small fan base.
Another major problem: the Fire have been TERRIBLE as of late. A small microcosm of what’s currently going on… we signed a guy named Barlow from NYRB. Their fans are thanking us for taking him off their hands…
BC Place is multipurpose and it is not soccer only. It’s primary tenant is it’s original occupant, the CFL’s BC Lions. Since they moved in in 1983. Pretty awesome dome since the massive renovation in 2012.
Su-BAR-U 😂😂 DignOty Health Sports Park 🤣🤣 I love your content, unedited makes it more authentic.
CITYPARK was designed to be more simplistic, and even built 40 feet into the ground, to not disrupt the STL city skyline.
The dude pronounced Subaru in a way that makes it sound like he's never heard of a car before.
PayPal Park is nicer than you give it credit for. The open end provides a nice view of the Diablo Mtns and planes taking off/landing at the San Jose airport and you’re looking at the LOBINA (largest outdoor bar in North America) which is always packed.
You overrate Gillette stadium every time you do this lists. It is one of the worst stadiums in NFL.
Even worse for MLS - 40 minutes from Boston with no public transportation.
At least they run the trains from South Station for the Patriots 🤷
It’s not one of the worst it’s middle of the pack 😂
idk how they maintain a franchise there constant empty seats
@@raulrojas4033 The Revs are a loss leader for Kraft, it fills stadium dates and drives traffic to the shops and restaurants (Patriot Place) around the stadium during Pats offseason. Also gets Kraft bookings for international friendlies and tournaments like the World Cup.
Gillette Stadium is without any doubt the worst in MLS. Maybe Bank of America/Soldier Field is comparable, don’t know cuz I never went there, but I can testify firsthand that Gillette is a horrible place for soccer😢
Love your videos, but you gotta say the city and the name of the team that plays in each stadium!
Seattle and Atlanta should be much higher, as both fanbases have shown the ability to sell out the full stadium on occasion. Lumen Field in particular is an incredible environment.
I don't understand why they are building MLS stadiums so small. As you said, Atlanta and Charlotte are selling much higher than the capacity of every MLS only stadium. Atlanta averaged 45,000 a game last year.
I honestly don't see why they don't stay in an NFL stadium if they have the capacity to sell that many seats.
fr bro
@@donkraemer50as of right now they usually only fill up if they’re good. If they’re bad than they don’t sell as much. The Philadelphia Union is 2nd but still fails to sellout sometimes
this is a deeply unserious ranking
I've been to Exploria Stadium before and out of all the other sports venues i've been to in the United States Exploria was by far the cleanest and just overall the nicest to be in, idk if all MLS Stadiums are like that but I thought that was cool for MLS
Also the upper decks have some sweet views of Orlando
The LA Galaxy stadium: Dignity Health Sports Park
Bank of America is not the worst having been there even though it’s oversized. Atlanta and Seattle were massively underrated by you, as Atlanta’s Stadium is Beautiful and Atlanta United have top 10 average attendance in the world for Football.
Children’s Mercy Park is a Top 10 stadium imo. I’ve been there several times and it’s always a good time.
Charlotte, IMO, is a very nice stadium. I love the color scheme and the renovated exterior. I don't get all the hate for it.
@awesomejedi917 as a KC resident, I hope they expand it eventually
United are top 50 worldwide for average attendance. Seattle used to be, until they started scheduling too many matches during the week. But pre-2020, when most of Seattle's home matches were on the weekend, they had much higher attendance and would sell out a tarp-less stadium for all Cascadia Cup matches plus against Atlanta and both LA teams.
Atlanta is 22nd for attendance worldwide
so with citypark, the roof panels are supposed to resemble the pieces of the gateway arch. The glass paneling at the south end is the mich ultra club, and they kept all 4 corners of the stadium open so that the stadium can be connected with the "city". also too, it is expandable up to 25,000 seats if they deemed necessary
Kinda lost me when you had St Louis' badge upside down and Vancouver in Alaska. 😂
slick shuda put more respect on seattle and atlanta, yes they are NFL stadiums but they have passionate fanbases that occasionally sell out the entire stadium even without tarps/curtains
Audi Field should be much lower on this list. The concept was interesting in the planning stages, but the final product just looks cheap…🤷♂️
the cincinnati stadium is for me no.2. the design, location, and exterior lighting keeps it high. the grand staircase is great. Plus mls is looking to build a hotel plus a soccer village around the stadium. No. 1 looks great but has a small capacity. No. 2 is green? It loses to cincy on overall location and redevelopment of a historic area of town (OTR) which includes a brewery district (breweries being reworked from a Brewery district.. Besides its built on the site of an old brewery and just across the street is a Sam Adams brewery.
Strictly speaking It’s not in OTR it’s in west end
Europeans see that if they want to see a football/soccer atmosphere that they're used to but in USA, the place to go is Seattle. They seem to understand it there, and Lumen Field is a good stadium for a good atmosphere. Either there or Portland.
All of the fans that Europeans make fun of are Seattle. They give good fans (like Portland) a bad rap overseas because of how cringy and boring the seattle chants sre
atlanta columbus Seattle and portland are all the best places to go i feel like
@@ixcent_ixcentAustin fc and lafc are also great
I was just looking at attendance stats. Some of the teams that play in NFL stadiums pull huge crowds. Atlanta averaged over 45,000 and Charlotte averaged over 35,000, Seattle almost 32,000 per game last year. Why do they build the new stadiums around the 20,000 range?
Many other teams average almost full capacity each game.
My theory is they're trying to be at a place where the demand for in person viewing regularly exceeds supply, in an effort to get more people watching on TV. MLS still struggles with those numbers.
I do also think that some of these soccer specific stadia are built with the national team in mind. Against a lot of opponents, the USMNT could play in front of 70,000 people- as long as they don't mind that 40 to 50 thousand of them are cheering against them. Supporter culture for the national team is in a place right now where 20k or so is a nice number. You can get enough supporters to buy discounted tickets, travel, and fill 70 to 80% of those seats and some of the hostile anti-US fans are priced out of the rest of them. It's all part of the struggle to put our national team in front of a friendly crowd within our own country.
Here's my suggestion. If you want to see larger soccer specific stadia, join the American Outlaws or a similar group, meet up and watch some games, and occasionally buy a ticket and travel to attend a game. Membership is 30 bucks a year. Get someone to buy it for you as a gift. See it up close and find out how we're doing with filling these stadiums as fans.
If we get to a point where fans of the USMNT can be relied on to fill a 70,000 seat stadium for a Nations League match against Costa Rica or a Gold Cup match against Jamaica and the local MLS club will also fill a stadium that size 17 times a year for regular season games, then yeah, we will work with those numbers. At this point, however, there really are two different numbers to think about. This isn't just about MLS fans- with a lot of these stadia, it's also the infrastructure for the national team. Men's and women's too, I might add. Where are the women going to play, and what type of crowd size will they bring in?
Yeah, I guess there's three different numbers to think about. And for sure, there are certain areas where it's more focused. New York City is more strictly focused on serving the MLS club, for example. But for a lot of these smaller market teams that are building a new stadium, they are thinking about two or three different sets of numbers and they usually build within the constraints of the smallest number.
@mmmcounts I actually did wonder if it had something to do with the TV contract. Maybe thier contract only allows certain capacity so more people will watch it on TV
Because a full 20,000 seat stadium crates a better atmosphere than a half full 60,000 seat stadium.
Orlando has "the wall" on the one end which is the standing section
yessirrrrrr you know i been askin for this and im here for it!!
The Fire had their own stadium but they moved back to soldier field.
Your got the old photos of toyota stadium. The new renovations for the stadium is nice
Providence park is actually so goated, not because of Oregonian bias, but it’s literally a MAX station for rail, and it is much louder than you think and it’s design
DRV PNK Stadium was built on the site of the former Lockhart Stadium, which was the home of the original Miami Fusion franchise in the early 2000s. The fact that a temporary stadium is a massive upgrade to the permanent stadium that used to sit there tells you why the Fusion didn’t last long in the MLS.
Just in... with Messi debut with Inter Miami CF now set for July 21 there are plans to expand capacity from 18k to 22k
Lockhart stadium was home of the Fort Lauderdale strikers for much longer (Gordon banks played for them in the 70’s)
Love Allianz field. Coming from a guy who lives in St. Paul. Though, I wished they built it in a safer neighborhood. The midway area isn’t the nicest part but it is convenient with the light rail next to it.
Children's Mercy Park at 13 is criminal
I’ve been in Geodis and Mercedes Benz during important games and it is magical✨✨
Atlanta and Seattle should be so much higher on this list even though they play in a NFL stadium. both in top 3 for attendance. Atlanta averages 45,000 a game and both teams have sold out the hole stadium on some occurrences
with Saputo Stadium (Montreal) I think there are restrictions on what could be constructed within the Olympic Park area...or something like that
From the outside Allianz Field reminds me of the Allianz Arena in Munich. Allianz must like stadiums though cos there's also Allianz Park rugby stadium in London and I'm sure there's an Allianz Stadium in Sydney which also hosts rugby I think but rugby league as opposed to rugby union which for those not in the know are two slightly different variations of the sport (long story).
There’s also Allianz Stadium in Turin, Italy. It’s where Juventus plays.
The thing with Mercedes Benz is that Atlanta fills it’s supposed soccer capacity, which is around 45,000, so I think it could be a permanent home for them!
Exploria has exclusive club level seating on the west side in between the top and bottom decks with club suites and the west club behind the upper deck with exclusive seating and dining area. Also was the first stadium in MLS to create a standing only supporters section, which has been copied on most of the new MLS builds. It also has one of the very best actual grass fields in MLS, with great drainage and impeccable, perfect grass for the playing surface.
Granted, I am not saying it is the best in the league buy any means, but probably top 10 for sure.
BC Place is not soccer only. It's primary tenant is the BC Lions of the CFL.
And same as bmo field(Toronto Argonauts)
@@Vixsufilnope tfc are the main tenants
@@yusefnegao I’m saying that bmo field is multi sport I know Toronto FC is its main tenants
@@Vixsufil yeah but you said same as bmo when the guy said bc lion are the primary tenant so that’s the part I commented on. I understand now
@@yusefnegao I just worded it bad.
if allianz stadium had more seating area it’d be nicer, it looks very big from the outside, and i think the inside has a lot of potential to grow in seating and capacity
BMO Field in Toronto is technically a multi-purpose stadium. It was built as a soccer only stadium for the Toronto FC but the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL moved in there later on.
Atlanta and Charlotte ranking Is ridiculous 😮
As someone who lives across the strait from Vancouver, I just need to comment on the opening map placing Vancouver in Alaska.
Yes, I realize that maps are USA-centric, and so this is just a fun push-back that my citizenship compels me to do, politely. :)
Yes, Vancouver is actually in that empty white space of nothingness, that doesn't exist on some people's maps. It's a secret, LOL.
Lol, fair
While there was a slight blue streak above the border on the map shown, he disregarded the BC Lions and the CFL by saying the Whitecaps were the only tenant.
@@SoCalMan13 Yes, I noticed that too.
Thanks for pointing out the blue-streak, I missed that. Cheers !
They built drv pink stadium for fun pretty much, Knowing that they were gonna build the new Miami freedom park.
BC Place also has CFL Football, so that is why its "Multipurpose"
Kansas City, as usual, is criminally underrated.
Yeah I have no idea what criteria this guy is using to rank, but Children’s Mercy is a very high quality stadium by almost every metric.
@@milojones9241 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Despite being a smaller stadium, it has an unmatched atmosphere and is just great overall.
Cloud City is a strong contender for best arena in the Twin Cities and that's saying something considering we have four top-10 venues in their major-level sports (Target Field, US Bank Stadium, Allianz Field, and Xcel Energy Center, plus you can argue that Roy Wilkins Auditorium is one of the best venues for roller derby in the entire WFTDA, but we're HARDLY a major sport)
another ascetic that I like with soccer stadiums is a midfield entrance for the teams and dugouts/team bench that are built into the stadium.
bro said sooo bar uuu.
At Providence Park here in Portland, the old building it’s up against is actually an exclusive athletic club. Known to be one of the largest indoor athletic clubs in the world.
Lumen should be higher. if you visited a Sounders game, you'd know.
same with ATL
Same with CLT. I guarantee you he hasn’t been to a single one of these stadiums.
I get why you put the nfl stadiums last but Lumen field sometimes sells out the upper deck for games making it a perfect venue
I think Atlanta should be ranked low but not for the reasons discussed. It's designed for the NFL, turf that looks like plastic, and most seats are fairly far from the field. The first games at Georgia Tech's Bobby Dodd stadium, you were much closer, the views were actually better, and it was grass. It just needed more concessions, bathrooms, and a roof.
false, it was designed for soccer too
@@johananabraham1659 That's technically true, but I would say it's more designed to accommodate soccer rather than for soccer, e.g. playing indoors on turf.
@@sgmctague I see where you're coming from, but the turf is only there for sustainability purposes. Grass would be very hard to maintain with two teams playing on it at the same time, sometimes on consecutive days. I really wish it was grass, tho
Sorry, it was designed for soccer too...we are a huge success here in the ATL...
I've got to say having the generic looking Allianz at #1 invalidates this whole list for me. But you have your opinion and I have mine.
As a Dynamo fan, Shell Energy (Formerly BBVA Compass Stadium) is ranked about right. I hope in the future it’s renovated to where the canopy covers all the seats like many of the other stadiums in the league do.
I'm a Dynamo fan and I've been longing for a roof renovation. When it opened in 2012, it was a top 5 stadium. We've quickly fallen behind by all the new ones and I feel like we're overdue for a new roof. With the seats being recently renovated, I hope the roof follows.
@@88Rancidfan It will be a much needed relief from the heat.
Pay park is next to the San Jose airport so you get a view of departing planes so that’s probably why they left that section open
And I believe they HAVE to keep that section open as well.
PayPal Park is pretty decent. I love it. It's inline with EFL 1 or EFL 2 stadiums. The park behind the bar/scoreboard is great during match days. They have kids area, food trucks, and activities to do before the match starts.
I’m a bit surprised Toyota Stadium wasn’t ranked a bit higher. The pictures shown don’t really give it justice though. We renovated the south end, and it now has the National Soccer Hall of Fame as well as a huge indoor meeting area and a canopy for the south seats
A stadium with almost no roof in dallas. In a summer league.
It deserves its rank
Allianz is really a great stadium and perfect size
why did he put the vancouver whitecaps in alaska? 😭
Very cool video 😎
You have a clear lack of knowledge about some MLS franchises. Lumen Field and Mercedes Benz stadium often sell out for MLS games, because Atlanta United and the Sounders are very well supported teams. Also it would be extremely difficult to build a new stadium in central Seattle, so this is a decent alternative.
It would have been good to say what city and team plays in each one
You should make a video about Indianapolis' new Eleven Park project. It has the potential to bring MLS to Indy.
As a Timbers fan, I would say that Providence Park is pretty good, however needs to demolish the Multnomah Athletics Club building (Building that occupies one of the side of the stadium) and convert that into seating.
Based on what criteria do you rank these? Number of empty seats?
My clasification points 1to10 from the point view of the game presentation on TV
1. S. Louis =10 / 2. Nashville= 9.7 / 3. Minesota= 9 / LAFC=9 / ATX=9 / 6. S.Lake=8.6 / 7.K.C.=8.6 / 8.Cncinati=8.5 /
9. Columbus =8.2 / 10 Glxy=8 / Orlando=8 / Seattle=8 / 13. Red Bull = 7.5 / Mimi = 7.5 / 15. Philadelfia = 7 / Montreal = 7 / Dallas = 7 / Huston = 7 / Vancuver = 7 /Chicago = 7 / 21. D.C. United = 6.7 / 22. Portland =6.5 / 23. Charlote = 6.2 / 24. Toronto = 6 /
Colorado =6 /26. S. Jose = 5.5 / 27. Atlanta = 4.6 / 28 New England = 4 / NYC = 4
What you want for good soccer game presentation on TV is the unbroken wall of people always in TV camera view and they reaction. And S. Louis stadium shows on TV camera unbroken wall of people always in the camera view , so the TV viewer can see people reaction to the game. So it gives the best TV game presentation.
"Su- bar -ru" and "Awdi" lol
Plenty of space for additional seats in Q2 stadium too
Let's take a ride in my Soborrow
Seattle and Atlanta near the bottom because "tOo MaNY sEAtS!" A bit of very quick research shows why they have the excess seats. However, as they're NFL grounds with NFL capacity, they must not be good for Seattle, Atlanta or the MLS .....
BMO Field in Toronto will host World Cup matches in 2026.
i saw a hockey game at bmo field good sightlines
whats the problem with too many seats?
Uh did you forget We filled the bank of america stadium twice as well as having the second highest average attendence last year?
He didn’t forget anything, just doesn’t care. He expects every city to have a flashy, new, modern stadium which he’s not going to go to anyways. BOA is a great stadium
Rapids need a stadium close to downtown Denver.
Atlanta united has the highest attendance and sells out a lot of their games
New York City also plays at Citi Field.
Gillette Stadium is the worst to play on according to the players, Seattle is great when it is full the roof keeps the sound in, BMO in Toronto seats are comfortable and every seat has a close and great view of the field, there is more to a good mls stadium then what it looks like empty or the upper deck
They just can't find the real estate to build a new soccer stadium.
I like how his explanation for the overhang was about “how much it rains in Seattle”…🤔😂 this guy has no clue that lumenz has broken numerous decible level records in its lifetime. Feels like his content is based off of common knowledge as opposed to hard hitting research and considering he mispronounced “Subaru”, I would testify that my notions are correct
holy hell the disrespect to atlanta is insane
When you do these stadium/arenas/parks rankings please also name the team or teams that play at them. Many of us don't know the teams that play there just by the park's name. Thanks .
Ngl, I’m surprised how far PayPal Park made it
Makes me happy that we don’t have the worst!
Paypal park has a big bar because you have a big view of the san jose airport literally right next door
Shell energy stadium is my favorite stadium in Houston. It's just due to it having a great atmosphere when it's full.
7:45 c'mon dude....
Sabarro the pizza chain 😅
Suh-Bar-ou Park? It's pronounced SOO-BAA-ROO, like the car company who paid the naming rights!
You did not just say Subaru “Sah-Ba-Roo” 😂
Su-BAR-u?!? LOL
Bro Mercedes Benz at 23?!? Too many seats that’s a good thing 😂
it's not even a problem because they fill them for every game. I get having some nfl stadiums low, because they don't incorporate the MLS teams into the stadium with shops and other stuff. But Lumen Field and Mercedes Benz do that and it's criminal for them to be so low.
@@USMNT_G Yeah that’s a good point. I’m not saying it should be like top 3 (which it could be) but yeah 23 is low
@@anthonyrivera3520 true but mbs is super nice and they fill up the stadium
@@anthonyrivera3520 according to the trajectory, Atlanta would need a 2nd stadium that has the seating of at least 70,000 to 80,000 fans (which the newly built Mercedes Stadium currently has)...I don't think Atlanta United will be getting it's own stadium for that reason...
How does the CITY Logo end up upside down though?
Why the heck is the STL City logo upside down?
great video however BC Place is also home of the BC Lions of the CFL...also SUBARU Park is a car company name..not SuBARu
Why is the st.louis city sc crest upside down?
You know this is based off an existing ranking when it curiously includes the exact same "Solider" typo.
The chicago fire had their own stadium, SeatGeek Stadium, but they actively chose to leave the stadium to return to soldier field. So they don't need their own place if they left their own place to return to soldier field.
I'm glad they moved to Soldier Field. It took so long to take public transportation to the other stadium, especially living in the north side.
@@beartackle I think that was one of the reasons they moved because of the commute for the fans. I honestly think when the bears move, they need to make a soldier field-ish stadium for the chicago fire.
Bears aren’t moving for the very reasons you cite…
@@chalesgolding5314 what transportation?
@@0fficialdregs
Yes , I should have said reason you cite sorry.
Honestly Saputo Stadium in Montreal is super classy. Amazing stadium. I do think unless you have been... your rankings seem to be off. Dallas stadium is a joke compred to most.