@@lambogamer9415 Messi can play only on RIGHT WING, cant play with head and have no defense. Johan is GOAT then Pele and even Gullit is better than R9, Cristiano and Messi cause its more complete. Till Cristiano learn to play defense and team game, till R9 learn to play with head, defense and stay healthy, and Messi also have head, defense and play multiple positions, Johan Cruyff will be GOD FOREVER.
@@smelly1060 Ludovic Giuly > Messi. Facts are facts. Triple crown as an RWF in Barca years before Messi. Just proves u put solid winger over Messi Barca still won everything on his position. Even Henrik Larsson 36 old was sub with Giuly before Messi arrived and they won everything. Its proves Messi is system not great in any pother club or nation. He has no World Cup great moments or trophy. Refs GOAT. MESSI MARKETING. Saed Owairan 1994 dribble 6 players to score, so is he goat now cause he can pass by 6 players
@@ZzzVain I just think the gap at the top is almost negligible, but I think Messi is the best attacker of all time tied with Cruijff, Van Basten, Pele, Maradona, Gullit, but I put Messi at the top because yes he can pass 6 players, yes he can playmake, yes he can score 100 fucking goals in a calender year and has proven himself on every stage, so fucking what he's a system player
I'm Italian, my father is 62 years old and he saw Maradona play at the stadium, even when he was 8 years old in the 70's he saw the final of the World Cup Brazil-Italy 4-0 on black and white TV (he cried a lot 😂 ) and he has also looked at Messi throughout his career. His personal opinion is that the two of them are unique because they are two geniuses, but looking rightly at every single aspect, in his opinion Messi is the best even for the long life he has had at times If you love someone you have to be realistic, but I know it's not for everyone, and in any case the numbers speak for him
I keep it simple. Messi has easily had the better career / efficiency. Maradona had more artistry to his game and proved his legend in a just decent team (Napoli). It's all about what you want to look at...and Messi has my head. Diego, my heart. x
Messi was a Classic Hero: The simple guy holds his honor and becomes the best of them all, against all possible odds to live forever. Diego was a Tragic Hero: The tormented mind fight for the raise of the beauty, for it to ever live among us, battling death. If you understand this, understand everything.
I as well have watched all the greats play through my 56 years of watching football and Messi is by far like pep would say in a league of his own.The rest are second
Messi's discipline and longevity are insane in comparison to Maradona. Maradona was brilliant every now and then but Messi was Messi every 3 days for over a decade and a half. The ball probably loved Maradona more, but Messi made the most out of it. Maradona had weaknesses in life that ruined him. Messi never had any weaknesses on the pitch or in life.
Exactly. I can’t penalize Messi for his consistency. His career eclipsed Maradona’s and by a lot to be honest. Despite this, I still prefer Maradona as my favorite player haha, but to say he’s far superior to Messi, is a joke.
Disagree on that Messi faced a great challenge with his health, don’t forget that also he was separated from his family at a very young age , there are something’s that are built in people personality , Maradona was easy to have bad acts and affected by others , but Messi does not , that’s why he isolated himself from others not because he has a weak personality but because he does not want anyone to affect on him
@@ervin_morales3396 maybe even more. People in todays era judge different because many r recency biased since they earn money with todays football business. Of course they got an interest to make current player Look better than past ones. It would have been interessting what the people of the past would have decided how much they give him. Maradona got an even more huge impact on people in the 80s than messi got in his era with all the social media and other booster
@@danielbarboiu2928 MESSI TROPHIES DOESNT COUNT IT WAS MARKETING NIKE VS ADIDAS WORLD DOMINATION NOT MESSI VS CRISTIANO. U LITERALLY HAVE 5 YEARS. I CAN NAME 15 BETTER PLAYERS THAT NEVER WON BALLON BY YOUR LOGIC FABBIO CANNAVARO IS BETTER THAN MARADONA CAUSE HE WON MORE TROPHIES. LOOK PPL HOW MESSI FANS ARE DERANGED
9:53 he couldn't win a ballon d'or because it wasn't an award given to non European. As They didn't believe there were better players outside of europe
@@michaelpachuau3885 great point but the video airbrushes this crucial fact conveniently out of the picture. Really, these Gen Z infuriates me with their "instagram" backed attention span and laziness. How can you possibly compare Ballon d'or awards between Messi and Diego when Maradona wasn't even eligible for it (and not his fault by the way). While I agree that overall there is no question that in terms of trophies and consistency, Messi is the superior player but even in terms of the champion's league, you have to make allowance that there was no champion's league system up to 92-93 and you had to be the defending league champion to qualify for the European cup (as it was known before the UCL). Further, you still had to be the league champion to participate up until the 97-98 season when league runner-up were allowed. This coupled with the fact that Seria A was very competitive in the 1980s and esp mid 80s to early 90s meant that a player like Maradona (or Van Basten or Platini etc) would get less exposure to winning the UCL as you wouldn't always qualify for it. From 2009, the first 3 or 4 league standing teams were allowed from the bigger leagues. So, no begrudging Messi's talent and dedication, but circumstances were too different to Maradona's time. I agree that Maradona spoiled his career with his undisciplined life. And before some idiot tells me "defenders are better today", no "junior", they are better but not in every aspect. Defenders today are better at setting up attacks and (like all outfield players) are more "rounded." But a case may be made that between the late 80s till the mid 2000s we actually had the "best" "pure" defenders of all time. Virgil van Dyk is much superior than Maldini/Nesta/Cannavaro at stepping into attack but in pure defending terms, they were better (though not by too great a margin because van Dyk is also a generational talent).
In terms of pure skill, they are alike, both with godlike given talent. Messi is more consistent, but Diego is a cultural phenom. Messi's weakness was that sometimes he could disappear in a match, Maradona's weakness was his life outside the pitch. Diego and now Lionel as well are tremendously loved in my country, greetings from Argentina!
@@mrt445 lol…. Neymar has more goals more trophies more assists, a treble, better stats for Brazil for a statistically far weaker team, more consistent primes having played as much less games, you’re suffering from nostalgia bias.
Other than the Ballon D'or and World Cup, WHY is Dinho better than Neymar? Neymar is a better Dribbler, passer, is 2 footed. Scores more goals, gets more Assists, has more longevity, Gremio Dinho is nowhere near Santos Neymar; Barca Dinho is equal to Barca Neymar and Milan Dinho is nowhere near PSG Neymar, Neymar has 300 more G/A in 100 LESS games than Dinho, Neymar didn't win a Ballon D'or because his competition was Messi and Ronaldo, Neymar is a 5 time Ballon D'or top 5 Nominee, Dinho only finished top 5 twice; and Neymar is Brazil's all time top scorer and Assister, won Brazil's first Olympic Medal and carried his country in World Cup's despite having way worse Brazil teams than Dinho, Dinho got 0 G/A in the 2006 WC in his PRIME, a nearly 31 year old Neymar carried Brazil in the 2022 WC. Ronaldinho is NOWHERE NEAR Neymar, Neymar can do everything Ronaldinho did in terms of skills, flair and dribbling, but scores and Assists more, is more consistent; is more clutch, has more longevity, has more Trophies, shall I continue?
I was lucky to have watched both players career when they played. Watched Maradona from 1979 to 1990. Watched Messi from 2005. Messi's got all the midfield playmaking chops Maradona had. Backed with Pelé & Cristiano Ronaldo frontline prolific goalscoring prowess, which Maradona simply didn't have. He's also maintained his elite levels far longer, deep into his 30s to win a world cup, 2 Copa America's. He's also the best close control dribbler of a ball I've seen. Maintaining possession even when he's got 3-4 oppenents pressing on him all together. Maradona had a beautiful touch & caress to the ball & could manipulate the ball with all manners of freestyle skills, similar to Pelé. But Messi just glides with the ball over the opposition. Making the complex look all so easy. And his final ball pass deliveries, devastating. He's just a more complete football machine to Maradona & gets the win for me.
I lived Maradona time , yes I am younger than him but watched most of his games even the WC , however I will comfortably say that Messi is better than him for sure , he is more of complete player and his IQ is higher plus more amusing to watch , I always used to say Maradona but Messi surpassed him by far sorry.
Yeah u r just another clueless dude who just watched football back then but didnt understand what happened. Otherwise u would have noticed that some important rules were changed to benefit attacking football in Messis time. And it all happened after Maradonas prime. And if u really watched him then u would have noticed that Maradona had to Deal with a totally harder resistance
@@Rivane84 He is another Messi fan who is lying... Not even a single one who I know said Messi is close to Diego. It was very very tough and Maradona did the impossible
@@A49144-r Messi isnt even the best for his former teammates like Ronaldinho, Henry or Ibrahimovic. For many other former player and todays coaches aswell. Even Cantona said it that todays defender cant tackle anymore
Messi played against defenders who were fitter stronger and had game planes. he still made them look as if they were average, Messi also kept such a high level year after year. That's what makes him the goat of football
VAR era only allows defenders to follow the attacker. Tackles from behind not being allowed since 2000s is a joke to the game that should be a proper contact sport.
@@heppolo contact sport and have defenders ruin careers because of hard tackles from behind??? common man...its a contact sport but these players need protection....you wonder why van basten retire3d early? its because of these hard tackles u advocating for...maybe u should take up football as a career and have it ended because of a hard tackle....lets see if you advocate for it then
@@femiezra5329 I was a goalkeeper actually on an amateur and semi-pro level and both goalkeepers and defenders are ridiculously underrated in comparison to stat merchants from upfront.
I think CR7 fans now realise that their hero has lost, in fact, he has never had a chance against Leo. Now they are now trying to degrade Leo by placing Maradona above Leo. What does the dude have to do so that they can realize what we have in Leo.
as someone who watched both Messi and Maradona play, Maradona was pure magic.........nothing compares to the Caniggia - Maradona combination, regardless of statistics
U didnt watch prime Messi properly. Otherwise u wont say that crap. U jus glimpsed vids. Messi was pure magic for yearssss at Barca guy. Some of yal smoke a bit too much
@@coachvictor_game Ok to say Messi was just only perfect and not beautiful or magical just because he doesn't use flashy skills is a bit of a stretch. Sure, players like Ronaldinho, Neymar, R9, Maradona, etc were definitely flashier and definitely were more enjoyable to watch, it's just a very shitty take to say Messi wasn't at least a joy to watch or didn't played beautiful football.
messi plays on a whole other level. messi carried a dying argentina team for so long with di maria, and carried a literally useless barca team after neymar left, and even more after suarez left. (specially in 2019). barca almost went unbeaten in la liga once, and the one game they lost it was the 1 game that messi didnt play. messis impact to the team is immensly high and should at least be comparable to maradona, instead of just being shrugged off
Simply, Messi not even top 10 in history. Guliit can play 6 positions Messi only 1. Johan 10 positions. Messi only RWF. He also need to learn how to play defense, no height, average below with his head, and as i say lack of multiple position unlike Matthaus Gullit Pele and especially Johan - makes Messi out of top 10. Not to mention softest era ever. He not even on Roberto Baggio, Rivelino, Romario Van Basten Eusebio level.
You have a ton of hard core Maradona fans (including myself) on these threads.. but unlike most of them, my Maradona goggles aren’t foggy. I prefer Maradona, yes. His skills, prowess, decisiveness, and leadership, made him a ridiculous force of nature of the pitch. BUT, to say Messi isn’t close or better ? Is criminal and straight haterade at this point.
you see i disagree, but i can respect that. I'll even admit that at absolute peak vs peak theres definitely great arguments in favor of maradona, but the difference being Messi's prime simply lasted MUCH longer and was far more consistent.
@@wesbyEric I don’t disagree with that either, though. The truth is, Messi’s career eclipses Maradona’s by a wide margin. It’s just facts. This is why I say that hardcore Maradona fans saying Messi isn’t close (or better) is criminal. Cause it’s not true.
Comparison is the thief of joy and the both of them gave the footballing world immense joy no need for comparison they're both the greatest in their own right and who's better is subjective and arguable in my opinion and very difficult to do considering the difference in eras but it doesn't matter who believes what as long as they're both loved and cherished.
To say Messi was not as important to Barcelona as Maradona was to Napoli is absurd. Messi false 9 position allowed Barcelona to unlock their full potential, and years later he single handedly carried a weak Barca team to the CL semifinals, and would have won it all if it wasnt for Dembele. Never seen a footballer dominate every part of the pitch as Messi did in that 18/19 season. Just seeing how weak Barcelona is now compared to when Messi was playing speaks volume to how influential he was.
@@mixoxu4374 yea and Messi changed the way the football is played post 2010. He bullied prime United under SAF twice in the CL finals. I'd say the 'park the bus' football exist because teams were trying to stop prime Messi in 2010.
I started watching football in world cup 1998, i was 13 years old, i remember the joy seeing all the talented players do there magic, after that i saw clips of Maradona playing, i was shocked haw can such a player exist, how can a player dribble half team when dribbling one defender is considered a top talent. That time i wished i saw Maradona play live. Luckily i witnessed messi doing everything Maradona did. For me the goat is messi but only because he was more than a player in the field. As for numbers and stats, there were never a standard before C.Ronaldo, because it’s the only way to make a player compete with messi , and competition is good for making money.
Maradona played in the best league in the world at the time (Italian) who are known for their solid defense, so was much harder to score. Also, it was much rougher and you could kick players in them days. The pitch was not as smooth as it is today. Maradona played for Napoli Messi had Barcelona best ever team around him.
That would be true…. If Messi didnt have that highest dribbling and assist stat than anyone who’s ever played the game.. if this statement is a head scratcher for u.. a combo of good dribbling and passing makes a good midfielder.. which means in his entire career at barcelona.. Messi was actually the one carrying the team.. not the other way around.. because he could score when he wants to.. but he always chose to pass the ball for others to score
@@Nana_Ryda Ok it is a lot easier to dribble when people don't kick and do hard fails on you constantly, now players are too scared to even touch you. Maradona was also in the best league in the world and Italians are known for their Defensive football. It is a lot easier to assist when you have world-class players around you like Neymar Suarez Ronaldinho Eto'o Henry David Villa, Maradona never had a single world-class player around him. When Messi went to PSG he still had world-class people around him in the farmer's league and still didn't do as good as Maradona did with Napoli (with 0 World class players around him) Maradona had more heart, he would never give up. Speed (I say the same) Passing (both world-class) Dribbling (again both world-class) Strength (Messi is not weak by any means but Maradona was a bit stronger) Messi and CR7 were the best players in my lifetime (since 1992) Messi was the best player in Barcelona but no way did he carry them please look up what this word means. Maradona did carry both Napoli and Argentina. So basically what you said is irrelevant.
@@bmwjarvo “its a lot to dribble when people dont kick you”… Since 2006.. after the ankara Messi goal.. have u seen any player even come close to replicating that goal?… defenders now are much more tactical than those in Maradona’s era..if u ever played football in real life.. you’d realize how easy it is to dribble past players that charges at you.. the ones that hold off and anticipate your movement instead of stupidly trying to kick you off the ball are the hardest defenders to get the ball past.. And still Messi always found a way through all that..
@@Nana_Ryda Did you read my comment? I said Messi and CR7 are the best players I have ever seen in my life? So I am not saying he is shit. The comment is about how unfair this argument is and pointless stats. I am not replying to you anymore because it is pointless to debate with an idiot, you just talk a lot of nothing and don't read anything that I say. Defenders in the 80s 90s and 00s are better than today, Maldini, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Terry, Ferdinand, Nesta. The best defenders in the last decade (Hummels Chilellini Kompany Sergio Ramos, Thiago Silva) are all old now but were not in the top 20 in the 00s) Defenders are no way better now.
100%. Barça fan here and i lived both players career. Neymar is an artist but within a structure. Plus injuries. Plus the only time he lead a team was barcelona in his last season and Brazil (with poor results). Dinho was a force, he single-handedly could win matches regularly. He carried Barcelona since day one, and his downfall was rijkaard's FCB's. Late Milan ronaldinho couldn't carry the team, but was still and artist and a differential player. In his 30s he won a Libertadores. Prime ronaldinho was epic. The magic of neymar + the power and offensive play of Nazario.
Other than the Ballon D'or and World Cup, WHY is Dinho better than Neymar? Neymar is a better Dribbler, passer, is 2 footed. Scores more goals, gets more Assists, has more longevity, Gremio Dinho is nowhere near Santos Neymar; Barca Dinho is equal to Barca Neymar and Milan Dinho is nowhere near PSG Neymar, Neymar has 300 more G/A in 100 LESS games than Dinho, Neymar didn't win a Ballon D'or because his competition was Messi and Ronaldo, Neymar is a 5 time Ballon D'or top 5 Nominee, Dinho only finished top 5 twice; and Neymar is Brazil's all time top scorer and Assister, won Brazil's first Olympic Medal and carried his country in World Cup's despite having way worse Brazil teams than Dinho, Dinho got 0 G/A in the 2006 WC in his PRIME, a nearly 31 year old Neymar carried Brazil in the 2022 WC. Ronaldinho is NOWHERE NEAR Neymar, Neymar can do everything Ronaldinho did in terms of skills, flair and dribbling, but scores and Assists more, is more consistent; is more clutch, has more longevity, has more Trophies, shall I continue?
@@issi529 its easy to score in this era of soft football and super teams..he was surrounded by world class mates lol while literally noone remembers anyone maradona played with
@@mure78 So what? In that case you can also say that football goes way faster nowadays than maradona's time were they played very slow and brainless. Messi played with great teammates not always but ok. But on the other hand he played on a much higher level too. Cause messi also played against other great superstars as well wich is very hard to do. Maradona played against bakers and truckdrivers and never won a europacup.
Maradona means so much to so many in the world. He was the hero to not just Argentina but to others too. Messi may have all the trophies but maradona has the love of the world.
not for long though..when generations that watched maradona died (like our parents), so will the nostalgia..then we will compare by fact, which messi is far superior
@@intjrovert9611and the comparision will be useless because the ones who watched dont talk no more , facts are not true are just data , computer loads data human sees talent beauty feel passion why that dont matter anymore? All just say numbers and names of trophies , so many champions and record are forgotten but they are talking about numbers blablabla never played football? You know what it feels? We all gonna die and the numbers dont inmortalize you only the memory , hope you get what im saying
An argentine friend, old dude, when Messi won the world cup i said to him "finally Messi tied or even surpassed Diego" and he smirked and said thats never ever going to happen, even if Messi wins another world cup, i asked him why? It is not even close in stats and trophies and he goes "nah, u dont get it, Diego represented the boy in the streets with holes in his shoes that came from poverty playing footbal, Messi represents growth hormones at 12 years old in one of the best football schools in the world....u dont get it" and that day i knew never to ask that question to antoher argentine, specially an old one
You didnt consider the fact that messi had to take growth hormones just to reach the baseline...his body couldnt produce it. Also ignored the fact that he was from the best football schools because he earned it. One could even argue that diego had easier opponents.
Really? They hold Messi's health problems against him? The flip side of that argument is that despite the medical issues, Messi was good enough to convince Barcelona to pay for his treatments. Maradona overcame adversity in the form of poverty, and Messi overcame adversity in the form of hormone deficiency. Edit: "Adversity," not "diversity." I've been watching too many videos criticizing the entertainment industry.
It's just unfortunate you created this imaginary story in your head and typed it here.... Messi represent growth hormones 😅😂 You just a pained Ronaldo fan No Argentinian will say what you just wrote
Shut up The growth hormone is a medical miracle to stop him from being a dwarf. He is an inspiration and he is the best ever. You Argentines are jealous of his health and career success.
Those talking about Messi's longevity forget that Maradona played in the days when pitches weren't pristine and defenders were looking to break your leg. Messi had a security team in comparison. If Messi were playing during Maradona's days, his legs wouldn't have lasted longer than 3 years.
Sir, you are being lenient to defenders of that era, Ronaldo Nazario dominated the Serie A for one season with Inter, and the next season his knee exploded twice. Sliding double foot tackles at full velocity, constant leg kicking man markers, tower center backs jump down pressing during corners, just to name a few. And Ronaldo Nazario is 6ft 90kg big man.
No one in the history of Football has controlled a ball better than Maradona has. He could make a football do things others can only dream of. Messi played on a stacked mega team for his entire career while Maradona likely came to games high as a kite. I would say that Messi is the greater player but Maradona is the better player.
Bro talk to these small children who don't understand the true greatness of Diego Armando Maradona when it comes to pure talent he clear Messi IDGAF!!!
@@DynamicUnreal Actually there's this El Salvador player that played with Maradona in Barca. In 1986 after the World Cup Win Maradona said that guy was a better player than him.
Yep, Diego was the greatest expression of pure football to ever grace this world and that's the main argument for him being the greatest of all time, whatever number and titles you have you simply cannot replicate what Diego did in 1986 or Napoli its just beyond the abilities of any other player who ever lived, including Messi
Football is a team-sport and making individual judgements is hard and harsh to players. Times have changed a lot and comparisons are so inaccurate, but many seasoned fans will agree on the fact that Maradona was the most talented, iconic and influential (on and off the pitch) footballer that ever played the game. But Messi is the most longeval, clinical and complete player of History
I dunno I think Maradona is comparable You have to watch him Not even Messi dribbled like him It wasn’t about stats then It was about who got the crowd going the most But yes stats wise sure Messi is better but that’s half the picture if that
The only thing you got wrong is thinking that Ronaldinho is not greater than Neymar because he is. He is easily on the same pedestal as Messi and CR_7.
Ye but World Cup tax is World Cup tax. Messi was always the better player overall but Maradona was ,,The guy that dragged Argentina and Napoli to greatness ". You can't quantify that in stats. Nether can you quantify what Pele did. Those 3 have gone where no other footballer ever has, so they are on the teir above all the other Greats
Pele's first WC he was not instrumental, he contributed as a teen which is magnificent for sure, but it was not because of Pele that they won. Pele was injured an entire WC of the 3 "he" won, and most agree he wasnt even the best player of the tournament of WC 70, that prized belonged to his teamate whose name i cant remember but was the top goalscorer and overall better performer, but Pele was the bigger name and so got the award. Maradona had an unreal 86 WC for sure, but people forget that unlike with messi and higuain in 86 Maradona's teammates stepped up when they needed to, otherwise germany would have taken that title. Maradona was a disaster in 82, and 94. And Messi had although not as great still great 2014 WC(which should have won if Higuain had not choked so damn hard, or Di Maria gotten injured) then 2022 amazing record breaking performance. Neither Pele nor maradona won a copa america or olympic tournament, and Messi now has 2 copa america and 1 olympics, in all 3 wins winning player of the tournament award. And you say greatness Barcelona's greatest era BY FAR has been Messi's Barcelona, look at barcelona before and look at it after Messi..
Well the defending was worse ...but harder hits yes doesnt mean ...as time goes on defending got better and better .... so messi is in a class of his own
And u just outed urself as a dumb football fan… by thinking Messi excels in just one position… Messi’s official position in Barcelona when he started was the left wing, we saw him score a hattrick against madrid’s galacticos in that position.. the position Neymar used to play.. he moved to the right wing.. won a ballon d’or.. played the falso 9 position and scored 91 goals in a year.. a record no registered number 9 has been able to break.. we talking about Mbappe, lewandoski etc.. Messi moved again to the right wing but started dropping into the midfield into the attacking midfielder position.. And has the highest dribbling and assist stat than any midfielder who has ever played the game.. So lemme ask u this.. what position would u register Messi in to compare to Maradona?… cuz it seems like no matter which position he plays.. he sets records that people cant break
@@Nana_Ryda yeah its very easy for Messi when the defenders aren't trying to break him in 2 put Messi in Diegos era and his career would have been cut very short put Diego in Messi era he you get the GOD of football in his element
Messi is Maradona.. But with more consistency, longevity, discipline and a better career! Both are legends but Messi is like an upgraded version of Maradona, so Messi > Maradona
Messi helped an average Argentina team to the finals on 2014 wc. Messi himself helped saved Argentina to qualify for the 2018 World Cup. Messi himself helped Barcelona get into the 2019 champions league. Messi himself helped Barcelona win laliga 2018. Maradona flopped at Barca, had a decent performaniming team in 1986 wc when some of the players almost outperformed him. Messi played against better average players who are faster,stronger etc and still outperformed them for over a decade. Messi has the most assists despite being a forward and is the 2nd top scorer in history. Messi is a alien and is greater than any footballer ever before him
1) When ARG win: Messi is the man! He carried the team! He himself helped! When ARG loses: Oh its the team's fault. Average team, flop team 😭 2) Nice of you to not mention Copa 2024 where ARG won with just 1 goal & 1 assist from Messi. His teammates did the rest. 😭 3) Messi has millions of fan. Whereas Ronaldo has Billions of fans. More people on earth think CR7 is the GOAT. And these Billions will write the history, not millions 😭
1 Sergio Romero goalkeeper, Monaco 2 Ezequiel Garay defender, Benfica 3 Hugo Campagnaro defender, Internazionale 4 Pablo Zabaleta defender, Manchester City 5 Fernando Gago midfielder, Boca Juniors 6 Lucas Biglia midfielder, Lazio 7 Ángel di María midfielder, Real Madrid 8 Enzo Pérez midfielder, Benfica 9 Gonzalo Higuaín forward, Napoli 10 Lionel Messi (captain) forward, Barcelona 11 Maxi Rodríguez midfielder, Newell’s Old Boys 12 Agustín Orión goalkeeper, Boca Juniors 13 Augusto Fernández midfielder, Celta Vigo 14 Javier Mascherano midfielder, Barcelona 15 Martín Demichelis defender, Manchester City 16 Marcos Rojo defender, Sporting 17 Federico Fernández defender, Napoli 18 Rodrigo Palacio forward, Internazionale 19 Ricardo Álvarez midfielder, Internazionale 20 Sergio Agüero forward, Manchester City 21 Mariano Andújar goalkeeper, Catania 22 Ezequiel Lavezzi forward, Paris Saint-Germain 23 José María Basanta defender, Monterrey How is this squad average?
You definitely have not seen maradona, you disrespect him and everyone here, go watch football in the garbage as you do, slower? yeah he might be but with the amount of injuries he has to sustain its a fact that is obvious to see, more speed equals more injuries if players try to injure you and legendary goals? HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY??! come on man you are just a 10 year old kid or what?
@@halfwaycashplayers from that era would get lapped nowdays. Just because they did more fauls doesn't mean that they were better. Football as we know now started in 2002. The 60/90' era its incredibly overrated.
U r another clueless Messifanboy. Messi faster?😂 If Messi is able to run past 5 athletic defender all just watching and letting him run on carpet pitches then of course it might Look as if he was fast. While Maradona played on pitches which looked as a bombed ground where the ball bounced each few metres and he had to win space like in american football because he was butchered down already some times before even reaching the box. Funny how people with 0 ball knowledge try to compare messis pampered era with Maradonas toughest era of all time
Estos muchachos… por dios. Messi en una entrevista con Zizou dijo que de chico todos soñaban ser como el Diego, pero que después ninguno llegó a ser como él (más o menos así dijo). Y Messi no le debe nada a nadie. Habla francamente. Lo dice porque lo piensa. Y Messi piensa eso porque sabe muchísimo más de futbol que todos nosotros y cuando alguien que sabe mucho ve al Diego, entiende. Más allá de todo, un agradecido de haber nacido en Argentina, pero también en Sudamérica, Dinho, Sócrates (rengo y bebedor), y miles más. Un placer. El futbol es el deporte más bello, siempre y cuando lo jueguen Sudamericanos. Cariños a todos!
It's a lot closer actually. Eras can't be compared. I am Argentine, watched the 2 of them. Messi his whole career, Maradona his final years. European football since the effects of the bosman rulling were established is all about 7 or 8 super clubs that hoard the best players of the planet in bulk, even if they don't use them in order to beat the competition. Look at Chelsea... In Maradonas time, before the bosman rulling clubs were a lot more even and competitive. So on big clubs had a couple of great players but also regular ones in your own team, and the opposition was in average stronger. Give Maradona the chance to play alongside lots of the best players in the world for 15 years vs Alaveses and rayos vallecanos and your stats will be a lot better. Maradona faced brutal, career ending tackles all his career. Messi didn't. Talented players like Messi are protected by refs these days thanks to players like Maradona. World cup qualifiers were a lot different. Hence Maradona played a lot less games on the national team. Messi has great stats, but padded specially on the last years thanks to the terrible friendly games Tapia, the AFA president, organized. They might as well play Sunday league teams. Messis behaviour gives him the edge but maybe his family learnt from Maradonas case what to to manage his career properly. Maradona was the first truly global sports superstar. You might also bring Pele but telecominications weren't as developed in the 50s/60s so he had less reach
@@87crimson not only the bossman judgement got a huge Effect. Even more impact had the changes in rules. 1990 offside rule and 1998 tackling rule got changed to favour attacker. From mid 00s on tacklings got restricted even further to the extent that each slight Touch would be a foul.
Messi did not faced brutal career ending tackles? Seriously? LOL!!! I can listen to you claiming Maradona is better but claiming messi did not receive brutal tackles is the saying of a true clown. HAHA!
@@awp20rokhum ur the clueless clown dude. In messis hardest foul compilations u always see the same 15-20 fouls He got throughout his career. That amount Maradona got in a month. Watch some Maradona foul compilations and come back then. Its not even worth to compare LOL. Look up gentile vs Maradona here on RUclips. There u will see 23 fouls in one Single match. Crazy how delusional most messi fanboys r
@@awp20rokhum NO ONE TRY TO FRACTURE MESSI LEG LIKE IN 80S U CANT TALK HERE ANYMORE MESSI PLAY ION ERA OF FLOPPERS WHERE NEYMAR HAVE MIX VIDEOS ON YT OF DIVING
messi is a Barcelona player, he showed us how good he is in Ligue 1 (5.leag in europ) in PSG .with 6 balondors ,it was not fun to watch. messi is good with other good in the team. Maradona make the team better without neymar,iniesta,xavi,mbappe,suarez. and he won the wc in hes prime without 5 penaltys. i never saw messi did bicycle kick or rabona kick or score from 30m some basic specialty
They're different players, with different characteristics who played in different eras, so I don't know how useful comparisons are, particularly GOAT discussions. Messi needed to be surrounded by top players, which he in turn made better. Maradona could carry a team all by himself, although it wasn't clear how well he could co-exist with other great players. Messi played in an era in which attackers were carefully protected by the rules and the referees, while Maradona was butchered continuously. (As was Pele' before him). And of course, Maradona's personal vices destroyed him, so he didn't have Messi's longevity. If I could only add one player to a team, I'd pick Maradona. If I were rounding out a championship team, I'd pick Messi. There are just different abilities. I also think that Alfredo di Stefano needs to be part of this discussion of great Argentines, as he dominated his era more than the other two did. All of those Real Madrid Champions Cup wins were his. And he apparently could play just about any position on the field expertly, and did, anticipating Cruyff's style in this.
Messi pulled up one of the worst Argentine squads in the last 20 years to a world cup victory. I don't think he needed to be surrounded by top players to win. Maradona also played in an era where most teams weren't anywhere near as stacked as they are now. Most teams didn't have good players so it was easier for 1 or 2 players to influence a game. Maradona in today's game can't carry a team like he did back then. And realistically, in this day and age, with the teams being so stacked, no player really can carry a team to that level.
@@lifestyle807 The officials played a larger role in Argentina's victory than Messi himself. Anybody could have scored his penalties so him converting them doesn't count for all that much. Meanwhile Maradona in 86 was the closest thing there's ever been to a player winning a trophy in football all by themself. And where were all the good players plying their trade in the 80's and 90's if you say no team had more than 2 of them? Were few people in the world playing football in those days? How could the talent pool have been that much smaller when there were still billions of people on the planet?
Messi was a Classic Hero: The simple guy holds his honor and becomes the best of them all, against all possible odds to live forever. Diego was a Tragic Hero: The tormented mind fight for the raise of the beauty, for it to ever live among us, battling death. If you understand this, understand everything.
Bruh Messi wouldn’t even have been a possibility in the 80s. He would’ve been barely been 5 ft talk given his growth hormone deficiencies and would’ve also gotten kicked around in the serie a. It is absolutely absurd to be comparing players between different eras as almost everything would’ve been different.
Obviously world cup is a bigger achievement than champions league....both have their importance in itself but winning a world cup is a different level of achievement to celebrate football❤ and any team that able to win world cup or champions league or even a regular league is never an average team yes their may be difference in how many times they have won it i mean consistency may not be their in every champion team but any champion team in that particular year especially can't be said as average team 😊
I think Messi is better but the idea that it is just media that brings up comparisons is wrong. There are GENUINE comparisons. Nowadays Europe is undoubtedly more prestigious than South America. But back then a lot of those claims were actually just bias. Up until the turning point of football when the sport became more systematic, it was close. Before becoming Maradona was a senior player Argentinos Juniors were a relegation side. Immediately when Maradona debuted they became a powerhouse. Then he joined Boca who were struggling and established them as powerhouses again. Non-bias media had already proclaimed him the best player in the world multiple times. Another piece of context is before the Calciopoli scandal the Serie A was the best league in the world. And Maradona at Napoli was the best the league had ever seen. His time in LaLiga was criminally underrated. He didn’t win much similar to Messi in the latter stages of his Barca career, but was still the hardest player to go up against. Now let’s talk internationally. He only won one WC, but should have won more. Maradona was left out of the Argentina side that won their first ever WC, but was considered one of the best Argentinians in the world at 17. His spot was taken by an inferior player due to political reasons. People still talk about the hand of god without realizing in the 1982 WC Argentina was arguably the best team but was victim to extreme European bias (as where many South American giants) with some of the most clear decisions against them in history. In 1990 he arguably did better than Messi in 2014; both lost finals to Germany. But people accept Messi as the best player in the 2014 WC without seeing how scrappy his run to the final was. It was almost the exact same as England in the Euros this year. Meanwhile Maradona was truly cooking in 1990.
People are going to comment “Bro wrote a whole essay 🤓“. There’s literally no point in saying that. If you don’t want to read just don’t say anything. It’s just an NPC comment that nobody asked for.
Maradona is nostalgic for the older generation, it's like when they say their music today will never be better than the music of yesterday, but in this case Messi is better than anyone before him and probably after him.
The problem is that you compare dufferent eras, Maradona had tackles and played on worse pitches and worse balls. Maradona and Messi had similar talent, but Messi could play for much longer for many reasons.
I don't know man, I'm a Messi fan but even now when I watch some of highlights of Maradona I just can't pont fingers anywhere else when it comes to tagging someone as Greatest ever. What Maradona could do messi hasn't: he is not at all as versatile as Maradona.
aside from flair and motivating his team, what could maradona do better? Messi was indeed a better dribbler, better at through balls, better at long passes, better at long shots, better at scoring. stats completely prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Maradona had flair though, he not only did amazing things he did them in ways that were just such a joy to watch, kind of a in between messi and ronaldinho. absolutely increible and we have been blessed to have enjoyed seen him play.
@@wesbyEric Maradona could dribble better, yup, going forward the speed with which he'd dribble past defenders, plus look at the skills he always had up his sleeves, Rabona, 360, step overs, and its funny that you mentioned through balls, watch some of his assists. Overall, he was more skilled than messi.
Maradona made average teams winners,messi needed to play in teams of superstars to be winners, make no mistake maradona is a level above every player in history
Maradona (and maybe Pelé) is another (higher) league. There was a time when Napoli would kick off and Diego would charge towards the opponent's field until, in the final third, he would get fouled and Napoli would start with a somewhat risky free kick.
@@issi529 not. And it isn't even close. I saw almost all matches of both, or at least many. Messi said that many many times. But I do not really care too much, I am just happy that both (and Di Stefano) are Argentinian.
@@pablorey9203 What do you mean Messi said it many times? Enough experts said that 2011 and 2012 Messi was the greatest player that has ever lived. You clearly didn't saw every match of Messi no way in hell. Messi has also much more great matches than Maradona. You are just a nostalgic fanboy thats all.
It is intriguing to observe a sociological phenomenon where individuals often believe that their contemporary experiences represent the pinnacle of historical achievement. This perspective can be influenced by various factors, including advancements in technology, which contribute to improvements in certain areas, including football. Moreover, it is essential to recognize that each era of football is characterized by distinct rules, cultural contexts, and playing conditions, rendering comparisons between legends from different decades somewhat impractical. The remarkable talents of past players, such as Pelé and Maradona, have undoubtedly laid the groundwork for the current generation of athletes, thereby enriching our present-day entertainment.
I agree with that. But at the same time I think some people may reach such high levels in their respected crafts, that they transcend time and become a benchmark for all future generation. For example are poets of today able to surpass the poetic genius of Homer, Virgil, Dante or Shakespeare? Is there any modern writer with the ability to make deep insights about human nature as Dostoyevsky did? Who among Bach, Mozart and Beethoven is the greatest musician of all time? Is Taylor Swift better than them just because she lives and creates today? The same discussion is valid in football between Maradona and Messi whose genius is in par with the likes of Dante and Mozart. It is hard who is better between them as they both played in a different times and circumstances, but only one of them won everything there is to win in football. Actually, Messi is the only player to win every major trophy in football. So if we have to choose a king among the genius footballers, Messi is the most obvious choice.
@@LNLBD While Lionel Messi has undoubtedly achieved remarkable success by today's standards, it is important not to use his accomplishments as the sole benchmark for evaluating the entirety of football history. In the eras of Pele and Maradona, the landscape of the sport was significantly different; for instance, there was no Champions League, and South American players were not required to compete in Europe. Additionally, during Maradona's time, the frequency of matches and tournaments was also less than what we see today. A common oversight among contemporary observers is the tendency to assume that the current era represents the pinnacle of football without taking into account the various contextual factors that influence the game over time.
@@TCGTales I have never said that the current era is the pinnacle of football. I just stated the fact that Messi is the only one to win everything, he was destined to do it. Maradona and Pele never won the Copa America and they never proved themselves in a big team where the expectations to win are incredibly high. Santos and Napoli were not big teams so Pele and Maradona did not face the mental pressure Messi had to face.
I wanted to clarify my previous comments, as I was not specifically addressing your views but rather the perspectives expressed by some younger commentators regarding the current state of football. It is clear that you did not claim this particular era to be the pinnacle of the sport. To elaborate, Pelé's absence from Copa America victories can largely be attributed to his commitments with Santos, which were focused on global tours, as well as the tournament structure and scheduling during that time. Furthermore, it is worth noting that during Pelé's career, CONMEBOL faced significant challenges, including political instability, which impacted the organization of Copa America for nearly a decade. This brings me to my main point: when comparing players, tournaments, and trophies across different eras, we must recognize that the significance and context of these achievements can vary substantially. For instance, the Ballon d'Or was not awarded to non-European players for several decades, highlighting some of the disparities in recognition and competition throughout football history. There are many examples that illustrate how the sport has evolved over time, and I believe it’s essential to consider these factors in our discussions.
@@TCGTales I agree. However, we need to have in mind that football is foremost a team sport. Pele was part of, quite probably, Brasil's greatest generation. It is important to point out that he did not took part in Brazil elimination games in the 1962 WC. Yet, Brazil managed to triumph, leg by great Garincha. On the contrary, Messi was carrying his national team. For example: out of the 8 goals Argentina scored in 2014 WC Messi was involved in 7 of them; without his crucial hattrick against Ecuador in 2017, Argentina would miss the 2018 WC; after loosing the first game against Saudi Arabia in 2022 WC, Messi scored and assisted against Mexico to keep the dream about winning a WC alive, and then he continued with goals and assists during the knockouts. His performances at the 2015, 2016 and 2021 Copa America are important as well. In short, without Pele Brazil could win trophies, but without Messi Argentina was not capable of winning trophies.
It's insane to think that you could take in consideration statistics, winning, awards since not only at the time the game was different it was much MUCH more position and defending focused, meanwhile today it's much more speed and attacking focused, today's game is much more similar to pelè's age game in brazil, and in brazil only, on the eye test it is a discussion but not as good as you make it, there are points that could go to messi, but they are not really comparing to maradona, he played in the best era of defending and in the hardest league of the time with the best defenses probably ever on average (not the best defense ever, but the league with, on average, the best defending ever) and could score imposaible goals just as good as messi's and even better goals, and it's crazy to say that awards and winnings are individual points to discuss, otherwise lautaro and alvarez are better than prime kane, and statistics kinda become meaningless in front of the context. I don't know who is thebest between maradona, pelè, messi and pre injury ronaldo (the true ronaldo) and idon't think anyone does, but saying that there isn't a debate is crazy, and this comes from someone who grew up with the messi era, who loved messi so much that watched almost every game of his, who held him as the greatest of all time for quite a period, who never thought that messi vs ronaldo was even a debate, but to say that maradona and messi are not extremely close, and use these arguments to support the idea, shows me your tremendous bias and that you have a shallow understanding of the game over the different ages. Don't take this offensively because it's not meant fo be an insult Edit I also forgotto say that saying Dinho wasn't better than Neymar you sure are extremely affected by recency bias, because that take is absolutely horrendous
@@njldst2007 thank you, it just strikes me to hear people who say that there isn't a comparasion between these players, i try to loo at the plays and see how players interacted in the past and in the present and i'm pretty sure that the "golden age of football" is probably either the years from 1995 to 2010, or the '50-'70 era and this speaks plenty, since i could probably be affected be recency bias and say that these most recent players would be on the same level of pelè, garrincha, zito, charlton, yashin, best, beckenbauer, but i think that i can stand this ground and say that those two eras were the best, by comparing both the bests and the average players
Maradona is late and has been deified hence the reason why people still think he is the best. But Messi is a living legend. 60 years from now Messi will take his rightful place at the head of the pantheon of football gods and put all these to rest.
On the last questions I answered yes the world cup is harder, a few weeks to train and get in tune. No the world cup isn't worth any number of Champions League. It's different its rarity makes it more important and also gives light to international football and its growth. The social aspect of it is extremely important to a point where people said Messi isn't as good totally wrote him off because if not winning the WC despite his numbers.
Messi is the Greatest of all time, there was never a debate. If you are talking of passing ability, Messi, Verratti, Kroos, Iniesta are in the debate against Maradona, but Ronaldinho edges out with a margin as the king of passes. Neymar Junior and Maradona have equal playmaking potential as Messi. But Messi edges them both with his goal scoring ability. However, Johan Cruyff is the greatest playmaker of all time, only behind Ronaldinho in Passing ability. When you discuss about to goals, Messi enters in the debate as well. But this time against Christiano Ronaldo. Messi still edges out in goals per game ratio. Messi can't be compared to others, because he takes much more responsibility than others. Messi delivers successfully more than others on his responsibility as well. In very simple terms, Messi is both a genius in playmaking, and a genius in scoring. There is no other player that is a genius in scoring and playmaking. That is why he is called the greatest of all time
Messi had such a major impact on Barcelona before he came they had 1 champions league which they won with pep after he joined they won 4 more, also Messi is leading the world in dribbles and chances created as well as having the most perfect games in history with 120 so if that’s not having more of an effect on a team idk what is im also not mentioning all the copa del reys and laliga he won with Barca as well as quite literally dragging the Argentina national team through the World Cup, calling that team good is a stretch
saying messi is better because of the nature of the modern game, is one of the naivest arguments you could have made. by that logic every modern player is better than Maradona. all 4 measurements you've used is ridiculously stupid given how different football is today compared to Maradonas period. I'll give you a basic example. the rules of football were so difficult that teams barely could score in the 1980s. 1983 Premier league winners 73 goals in 42 games 1987 Premier league winners 76 goals in 42 games. 1989 Premier league winners 73 goals in a 38 games. compared to 96 94 99 goals scored by the league winners in last 3 seasons. goals scored have increased by 50% since Maradonas time. secondly goal difference for top clubs league winners has doubled by 100% since Maradona time. this was how difficult it was to score back in Maradonas age. what that means is 2 things. 1) it was way harder to score in 80s by around 50%. so you need to reduce messis tally by 1/3. 2) it was way harder for the best teams to score against all the other teams as the gap between top clubs and bottom clubs didn't exist. so the benifit of playing for real Madrid, Barcelona, man city that players get today did not exist in the 80s. All the clubs were financially similar and resources similar. So you have to reduce messis tally by another 1/3. So if you reduce messis goal contributions per game by roughly 70% you'll get a truer comparison with Maradonas. And the reality is the same for all your other parameters. this is why using statistics without understanding makes people believe lies.
If we imagine a head-to-head match between Maradona at his peak and Messi at his best in a World Cup final, the answer might depend on what qualities you value most in a player. Maradona was known for his raw, explosive energy and fierce spirit on the field, especially in high-stakes matches. In his prime, he often played with a sense of urgency and fearlessness that inspired his teammates and could shift the game in his favor, especially when facing tough opponents. Messi, on the other hand, has an extraordinary level of skill, control, and consistency, often turning games around with his incredible playmaking abilities. His vision, precision, and unique approach have helped him dominate games in his own way. I will definitely choose Maradona as the winner as an appreciation for his intensity and drive, especially in a pressure-filled World Cup setting where he led Argentina to victory in 1986. He excelled in challenging situations and had a larger-than-life presence that seemed to fuel his team’s confidence and performance.
Messi was a Classic Hero: The simple guy holds his honor and becomes the best of them all, against all possible odds to live forever. Diego was a Tragic Hero: The tormented mind fight for the raise of the beauty, for it to ever live among us, battling death. If you understand this, understand everything.
Maradona is by FAR better then messi, Pele is better then messi, Maradona played when you were allowed to tackle people hip hight and end up with yellow card at worst, Maradona played on mudbaths, messi plays on green carpets, Maradona was among legendary players like Platini and crew head above everyone else. Maradona skill with the ball is legendary even greats of his time were in awe what he could do and nobody else could get even close... you have Gary Linker talk about this. Maradona single handed won World Cup in 86. Messi was "assisted" to do so because he couldnt do it. And what Maradona did with Napoli... Messi cant sniff anywhere near that. Messi played his entire career on 1 of the two greatest football clubs on the planet, Maradona took last club in Italy against all odds and put them on his back. Its not even close, Maradona scored greatest goal in football history, he played when there was no protection for star players, Messi plays in time when everything is made for him to win and succed. Smartphone generation has no clue about anything ...🤦♂️. Hopless generation stuck with paper numbers instead of what has really been done on the pitch, and how it was done. Maradona is only player i know that is being worshiped as a saint 🤣. You are right about 1 thing, it is not even close... keep messi in conversation with celebrity model from Real Madrid, that is what you should compare
It's not the "smartphone generation" because I agree. I don't rate players by numbers. There's a saying that was said in a game I used to play. "numbers don't mean everything." I could grab my main attacker and do almost all the damage but if my teammates hadn't made me the space to do such a thing in that game, or hadn't done what they had done, it wouldn't have happened. The same applies when I play a supporter in a game. They still have to work. It is rare for a team to be carried, especially when they're as bad as Napoli was. We won't see a Marco van basten. We won't see Ronaldinho, and we won't see a maradona again because football is becoming too obsessed with numbers and data.
@@RealisticAndTrue nah if they were raised by it they'd be able to easily go look at the magic they could produce by using them. Not a smartphone generation, just hyped by what they grew up with. And that's fine. Goat debates imo are stupid anyways
Maradona is remembered for his infamous handball goal in the '86 to something Messi does not even come close. Calling me a thief is the equivalece of claiming Maradona over Messi lmao.
You can't compare maradona to messi, messi is number 1 in the game, maradona played when there was no tactics to tackle a dribbler , you just dribble freely , this days there aremonsters as defender, think of messi playing against kill and go defender PEPE AND SAGIO RAMOS , apart from other defenders like them in other league and messi can dtibble in tight corner maradona can only dribble in an open space on the field but messi will dribble where you don't believe a neddle could even pass through. Messi is a faire player who don't fake anything a pure, clean and raw materials ,messi stands alone other niggas are in other side, AN HUMBLE HERO , BEST WHO NEVER SAY AMTHE BEST, AN EPITOME OF A GOOD LEADER BOTH ON THE PITCH AND OFF THE PITCH, WHAT A QUINTESSENCES
Ok, lets make this clear. Maradona winning the league with Napoli is nothing close to even impossible. Go back and check the trend back then, ofcourse the bigger teams like milan, Juve dominated, but the title was much open to be won by many teams back then in Italy. It was not like today's where just hardly 2 or 3 teams compete for the title. Also the number of games were much lesser which makes it even more unpredictable. If you still have doubt go and check the list of title winners around the time Maradona won the title with Napoli, you would find teams like Hellas verona and sampdoria winning it! So Maradona winning it with Napoli os not something impossible. For the people in Naples it might have a nostalgia, but other than that nothing great!
Simply, Messi not even top 10 in history. Guliit can play 6 positions Messi only 1. Johan 10 positions. Messi only RWF. He also need to learn how to play defense, no height, average below with his head, and as i say lack of multiple position unlike Matthaus Gullit Pele and especially Johan - makes Messi out of top 10. Not to mention softest era ever. He not even on Roberto Baggio, Rivelino, Romario Van Basten Eusebio level.
I can name 15 players better than Messi even prime Henry was better than any Messi peak. Platini Zico Rivelino Baggio Romario Matthaus Zidane Gullit Van Basten Eusebio Beckenbauer Ronaldinho Pele Maradona I will even take Maldini on draft because I have more for my team. U need great team around Messi but Maldini is FRANCHISE WHOLE TEAM.
@@ZzzVain in my opinion Maradona is better than Messi but tbh not considering Messi in at least Top 3-4 doesnt feel right. Messi got it easier than past player but still he won everything, thats something even Messi criticizer gotta respect. I criticized Messi and lot myself. He is certainly up there among the best
@@Rivane84 As I say whos better with head Gullit or Messi ? Whos better in defense , strength , speed, power shoot. Dude what Messi can do that no one else can? He cant do elastico or cycle dribbling. Or even Zidane roullette. He cant play with head like van Basten Batistuta Shearer. Messi is somewhere 13 to 20 spot.
@@Rivane84 Won everything?? U dont deserved to talk. So now Cannavaro is better than Maradona cause he won ballon. Messi never won world cup. Romario score 1000 goals and won world. U mean refs won for Argentina 6 penalties after Arabia schooled Messi
Bringing a comparison of the amount of goals Iniesta scored is a huge disrespect to Iniesta Iniesta always had players that are extremely good in goal scoring, in his side. Maradona was usually the main goal scorer in his teams. If you want to compare Iniesta, you can use the number of passes completed, the number of dribbles completed, if you want to have a fair comparison.
Maradona is the best ever. Messi is an amazing attacking player but does not have the vision, long range passing ability, tackling ability, tenacity, stamina that Maradona or Zidane have
@@BombasticLarvae why would you think it’s sarcasm? 5, 10 or 20 yard passes are not long range passing & Messi doesn’t do passes any longer than those because he doesn’t track back to defend but Zidane & Maradona did & they were capable of accurate 70 yard passes to split defences open. They both tackled opposing players and won the ball back which Messi never does. They have great stamina & sprint to cut off opposing passes but Messi walks around the pitch & only sprints while in possession of the ball or looking for a pass in an attacking position. He’s not capable of lifting players spirits when they go 2v0 down for example. He’s not an inspirational leader in that sense but does lift them with an audacious piece of skill or dribbling which Zidane & Maradona do also. I love watching both Messi & Cristiano Ronaldo equally but they are not the greatest complete players. They are the best goal scorers in history but there is more to football than scoring. The other two were more creative and defensive minded while still capable of taking it upon themselves to score amazing goals when their strikers drew blanks therefore more complete.
I had the privilege of watching both. They were both great, but there's one key difference between them: when Barcelona missed Messi, you still believed they could win no problem. But when Napoli missed Maradona, it felt like the end.
@@issi529 No, it was because they were DIFFERENT STYLE OF HEROIC ARCHETYPES. Messi was a Classic Hero: The simple guy holds his honor and becomes the best of them all, against all possible odds to live forever. Diego was a Tragic Hero: The tormented mind fight for the raise of the beauty, for it to ever live among us, battling death. If you understand this, understand everything.
People who says Maradona is better does not know football. AT ALL!. Messi's world cup career alone is FAR better than Maradona. Maradona can't even get Argentina to world cup final more than once(Twice if you count 1990 but read again what I wrote I say he got carried so he didn't 🤭). And the one time he made it to final was because of his impeccable team. Granted he is a Legend and his performance speak for itself. But he had amazing team with him. Messi almost won World cup with FAT Higuain. That alone was a miracle 😂. Four appearance by Maradona, 3 FLOP appearance by Maradona. Messi has 0 flops in 4 appearance. Messi even has under 20 world cup title which Maradona is dreaming just like Penaldo and Pele 🤣
Yes and people act like 1986 Argentina is a weak team is a joke for me. Their squad is extremely high quality. Players like Nestor Clausen, Ricardo Giusti and Ricardo Bochini were the pillars of Independiente who won the Copa Libertadores 1984 and then defeated Liverpool in the Intercontinental Cup. Two midfielders Sergio Batista and Claudio Borghi are the key players of Argentinos Juniors, when this club won the Argentine championship for two consecutive years (1984, 1985), besides the Copa Libertadores title in 1985. Enrique, Nery Pumpido and Oscar Ruggeri and River Plate won the Copa Libertadores in 1986, just a few months after the tournament in Mexico. Jorge Valdano played for Real Madrid and won the La Liga 1985-1986 BEST foreign player. It can be said that Argentina football clubs dominated South America in those years with a pool of talents playing domestically and in Europe.
@@Tackleseb LOL are you talking about 1990? Where was Maradona? If Maradona didn't play 1990 world cup Argentina would have won. Argentina were that Good. Unlike Messi where Argentina 100% rely on him. Literally. If messi did not comeback to National Argentina WILL NOT have qualified for World Cup. The stats speak for it self. Messi is among the top Goal scorer with the highest assist in World Cup history in 4 World Cup same as Maradona. Only blind cuckolds thinks Maradona was better.
Very ironic that you just exposed yourself as someone who doesn't know about football in terms of it's history. Maradona's World Cup career is better than Messi's, in fact, if it were not for Messi finally winning it at the very end, this shouldn't even be close to a debate. Messi has a horrible track record of letting the pressure get to him and underperforming in the WC as it goes on longer
@@ThiênPhúcHuỳnh-v6l They weren't a weak team, but they were hardly favorites, and were nowhere near close to being a title winning team until you add Maradona to it. They nearly didn't qualify for the 86 WC itself, it took Maradona being called out of exile to improve their dismal qualification campaign. They were a solid squad, but weren't world beaters, the closest to a World class player that you could mention was Valdano, since he played for Madrid, but Valdano scored a whopping 7 goals in 23 apps for Argentina, 4 of those happening at the 86 WC, with Maradona being a factor in almost every single one of them
Maradona is more than football, he is a cultural heritage. Because of him, the culture of Naples changed, the people built a church in Argentina in his honour, Manu Chao has a song about him...Messi is the achievement winner for sure, and Maradona is the icon winner.
@@marsnero6429 NO HE IS NOT I CAN NAME 15 PLAYERS BETTER MORE COMPLETE THAN MESSI. ILL JUST ASK U TO SHOW ME 1 GAME WHERE MESSI PLAY ON LEFT WING. U CANT BE GREAT IF U CANT PLAY 10 POSITIONS LIKE JOHAN OR 6 POSITIONS LIKE GULLIT AND PELE.
Maradona is Iconic, he lives of memories.
Messi is the best. Purely the best.
"Ronaldo"
@@lambogamer9415 Messi can play only on RIGHT WING, cant play with head and have no defense. Johan is GOAT then Pele and even Gullit is better than R9, Cristiano and Messi cause its more complete. Till Cristiano learn to play defense and team game, till R9 learn to play with head, defense and stay healthy, and Messi also have head, defense and play multiple positions, Johan Cruyff will be GOD FOREVER.
@@ZzzVainI've never agreed and disagreed with someone more than this🤦🏿♂️
@@smelly1060 Ludovic Giuly > Messi. Facts are facts. Triple crown as an RWF in Barca years before Messi. Just proves u put solid winger over Messi Barca still won everything on his position. Even Henrik Larsson 36 old was sub with Giuly before Messi arrived and they won everything. Its proves Messi is system not great in any pother club or nation. He has no World Cup great moments or trophy. Refs GOAT. MESSI MARKETING. Saed Owairan 1994 dribble 6 players to score, so is he goat now cause he can pass by 6 players
@@ZzzVain I just think the gap at the top is almost negligible, but I think Messi is the best attacker of all time tied with Cruijff, Van Basten, Pele, Maradona, Gullit, but I put Messi at the top because yes he can pass 6 players, yes he can playmake, yes he can score 100 fucking goals in a calender year and has proven himself on every stage, so fucking what he's a system player
I'm Italian, my father is 62 years old and he saw Maradona play at the stadium, even when he was 8 years old in the 70's he saw the final of the World Cup Brazil-Italy 4-0 on black and white TV (he cried a lot 😂 ) and he has also looked at Messi throughout his career. His personal opinion is that the two of them are unique because they are two geniuses, but looking rightly at every single aspect, in his opinion Messi is the best even for the long life he has had at times If you love someone you have to be realistic, but I know it's not for everyone, and in any case the numbers speak for him
I keep it simple. Messi has easily had the better career / efficiency. Maradona had more artistry to his game and proved his legend in a just decent team (Napoli). It's all about what you want to look at...and Messi has my head. Diego, my heart. x
Your father has 0 ball IQ. Maradona is better
Messi was a Classic Hero: The simple guy holds his honor and becomes the best of them all, against all possible odds to live forever. Diego was a Tragic Hero: The tormented mind fight for the raise of the beauty, for it to ever live among us, battling death. If you understand this, understand everything.
I as well have watched all the greats play through my 56 years of watching football and Messi is by far like pep would say in a league of his own.The rest are second
Messi's discipline and longevity are insane in comparison to Maradona. Maradona was brilliant every now and then but Messi was Messi every 3 days for over a decade and a half. The ball probably loved Maradona more, but Messi made the most out of it. Maradona had weaknesses in life that ruined him. Messi never had any weaknesses on the pitch or in life.
Exactly. I can’t penalize Messi for his consistency. His career eclipsed Maradona’s and by a lot to be honest.
Despite this, I still prefer Maradona as my favorite player haha, but to say he’s far superior to Messi, is a joke.
The ball didnt love maradona more.
Disagree on that Messi faced a great challenge with his health, don’t forget that also he was separated from his family at a very young age , there are something’s that are built in people personality , Maradona was easy to have bad acts and affected by others , but Messi does not , that’s why he isolated himself from others not because he has a weak personality but because he does not want anyone to affect on him
@@Summersunshine683 GREAT CHALLENGE U MEAN SOFTEST ERA EVER WHERE 2010 PLAYERS HAVE RUclips MIX OF FLOPPING AND DIVING.
Except the fact that Messi's close ball controll was way better.
Fun fact: The ballon dor wasnt given at first to non european players. Maradona would’ve actually had 2
@@ervin_morales3396 maybe even more. People in todays era judge different because many r recency biased since they earn money with todays football business. Of course they got an interest to make current player Look better than past ones. It would have been interessting what the people of the past would have decided how much they give him. Maradona got an even more huge impact on people in the 80s than messi got in his era with all the social media and other booster
Even more than 2 , but messi is still clear stats + trophies/awards + as a player
@@danielbarboiu2928 YEAH FOR SURE DERANGED SO U SAYING CANNAVARO IS BETTER THAN MARADON CAUSE HE WON MORE BALLON D ORE
@@danielbarboiu2928 MESSI TROPHIES DOESNT COUNT IT WAS MARKETING NIKE VS ADIDAS WORLD DOMINATION NOT MESSI VS CRISTIANO. U LITERALLY HAVE 5 YEARS. I CAN NAME 15 BETTER PLAYERS THAT NEVER WON BALLON BY YOUR LOGIC FABBIO CANNAVARO IS BETTER THAN MARADONA CAUSE HE WON MORE TROPHIES. LOOK PPL HOW MESSI FANS ARE DERANGED
And as human @@danielbarboiu2928
9:53 he couldn't win a ballon d'or because it wasn't an award given to non European. As They didn't believe there were better players outside of europe
Er no, it's a French award, but yes, it wasn't given to non-Europeans until 1995
@@michaelpachuau3885 great point but the video airbrushes this crucial fact conveniently out of the picture. Really, these Gen Z infuriates me with their "instagram" backed attention span and laziness. How can you possibly compare Ballon d'or awards between Messi and Diego when Maradona wasn't even eligible for it (and not his fault by the way). While I agree that overall there is no question that in terms of trophies and consistency, Messi is the superior player but even in terms of the champion's league, you have to make allowance that there was no champion's league system up to 92-93 and you had to be the defending league champion to qualify for the European cup (as it was known before the UCL). Further, you still had to be the league champion to participate up until the 97-98 season when league runner-up were allowed. This coupled with the fact that Seria A was very competitive in the 1980s and esp mid 80s to early 90s meant that a player like Maradona (or Van Basten or Platini etc) would get less exposure to winning the UCL as you wouldn't always qualify for it. From 2009, the first 3 or 4 league standing teams were allowed from the bigger leagues. So, no begrudging Messi's talent and dedication, but circumstances were too different to Maradona's time. I agree that Maradona spoiled his career with his undisciplined life. And before some idiot tells me "defenders are better today", no "junior", they are better but not in every aspect. Defenders today are better at setting up attacks and (like all outfield players) are more "rounded." But a case may be made that between the late 80s till the mid 2000s we actually had the "best" "pure" defenders of all time. Virgil van Dyk is much superior than Maldini/Nesta/Cannavaro at stepping into attack but in pure defending terms, they were better (though not by too great a margin because van Dyk is also a generational talent).
In terms of pure skill, they are alike, both with godlike given talent. Messi is more consistent, but Diego is a cultural phenom. Messi's weakness was that sometimes he could disappear in a match, Maradona's weakness was his life outside the pitch. Diego and now Lionel as well are tremendously loved in my country, greetings from Argentina!
There's a saying that Maradona wasn't Maradona all the time but messi was Maradona all the time.
@@gagzman1 Dumb saying, and untrue.
If that's the case how come Maradona hasn't a single UCL trophy/European cup to his name? Who told you Maradona never disappeared and Messi did?
@@Al-ji4gd It's not dumb it's 100% correct
@@BombasticLarvae You don't know anything about football.
Thinking that Ronaldinho isn't better than Neymar must be a joke.
neymar is far better lol wake up
@@Manuel3.1415 Not even close. In fact Ronaldinho had the potential to be even better but he was lazy. Neymar is injury prone and peaked years ago.
@@mrt445 lol…. Neymar has more goals more trophies more assists, a treble, better stats for Brazil for a statistically far weaker team, more consistent primes having played as much less games, you’re suffering from nostalgia bias.
@@Manuel3.1415statistics are not everything in football, Ronaldiniho was much better than neymar
Other than the Ballon D'or and World Cup, WHY is Dinho better than Neymar? Neymar is a better Dribbler, passer, is 2 footed. Scores more goals, gets more Assists, has more longevity, Gremio Dinho is nowhere near Santos Neymar; Barca Dinho is equal to Barca Neymar and Milan Dinho is nowhere near PSG Neymar, Neymar has 300 more G/A in 100 LESS games than Dinho, Neymar didn't win a Ballon D'or because his competition was Messi and Ronaldo, Neymar is a 5 time Ballon D'or top 5 Nominee, Dinho only finished top 5 twice; and Neymar is Brazil's all time top scorer and Assister, won Brazil's first Olympic Medal and carried his country in World Cup's despite having way worse Brazil teams than Dinho, Dinho got 0 G/A in the 2006 WC in his PRIME, a nearly 31 year old Neymar carried Brazil in the 2022 WC. Ronaldinho is NOWHERE NEAR Neymar, Neymar can do everything Ronaldinho did in terms of skills, flair and dribbling, but scores and Assists more, is more consistent; is more clutch, has more longevity, has more Trophies, shall I continue?
I was lucky to have watched both players career when they played. Watched Maradona from 1979 to 1990. Watched Messi from 2005.
Messi's got all the midfield playmaking chops Maradona had. Backed with Pelé & Cristiano Ronaldo frontline prolific goalscoring prowess, which Maradona simply didn't have. He's also maintained his elite levels far longer, deep into his 30s to win a world cup, 2 Copa America's.
He's also the best close control dribbler of a ball I've seen. Maintaining possession even when he's got 3-4 oppenents pressing on him all together. Maradona had a beautiful touch & caress to the ball & could manipulate the ball with all manners of freestyle skills, similar to Pelé. But Messi just glides with the ball over the opposition. Making the complex look all so easy. And his final ball pass deliveries, devastating. He's just a more complete football machine to Maradona & gets the win for me.
I lived Maradona time , yes I am younger than him but watched most of his games even the WC , however I will comfortably say that Messi is better than him for sure , he is more of complete player and his IQ is higher plus more amusing to watch , I always used to say Maradona but Messi surpassed him by far sorry.
Thats a clear lie😂
@@A49144-r what do you mean by clear lie , did not get it.
Yeah u r just another clueless dude who just watched football back then but didnt understand what happened. Otherwise u would have noticed that some important rules were changed to benefit attacking football in Messis time. And it all happened after Maradonas prime.
And if u really watched him then u would have noticed that Maradona had to Deal with a totally harder resistance
@@Rivane84 He is another Messi fan who is lying... Not even a single one who I know said Messi is close to Diego. It was very very tough and Maradona did the impossible
@@A49144-r Messi isnt even the best for his former teammates like Ronaldinho, Henry or Ibrahimovic. For many other former player and todays coaches aswell. Even Cantona said it that todays defender cant tackle anymore
Crazy how messi is a tier above Maradona and himself is a tier above cristiano and he himself is above the rest
No. lol you’re saying cr7 is the 3rd best player ever?
@@patinho5589 never said that bud why you mad
@@patinho5589no he’s not, he is saying he is the fourth best after messi pele maradona
If you are talking about all time greats, messi is number 1, cristiano is number 2, maradona/pele is 3 and 4
@@patinho5589he’s not even 3rd
Messi played against defenders who were fitter stronger and had game planes. he still made them look as if they were average, Messi also kept such a high level year after year. That's what makes him the goat of football
VAR era only allows defenders to follow the attacker. Tackles from behind not being allowed since 2000s is a joke to the game that should be a proper contact sport.
@@heppolo contact sport and have defenders ruin careers because of hard tackles from behind??? common man...its a contact sport but these players need protection....you wonder why van basten retire3d early? its because of these hard tackles u advocating for...maybe u should take up football as a career and have it ended because of a hard tackle....lets see if you advocate for it then
@@femiezra5329 I was a goalkeeper actually on an amateur and semi-pro level and both goalkeepers and defenders are ridiculously underrated in comparison to stat merchants from upfront.
@@heppoloand that was after VAR was invented when Messi was toying with the defenders 😂
I think CR7 fans now realise that their hero has lost, in fact, he has never had a chance against Leo. Now they are now trying to degrade Leo by placing Maradona above Leo. What does the dude have to do so that they can realize what we have in Leo.
as someone who watched both Messi and Maradona play, Maradona was pure magic.........nothing compares to the Caniggia - Maradona combination, regardless of statistics
the greatest trio of all time is Caniggia - Maradonna - Batistuta
U didnt watch prime Messi properly. Otherwise u wont say that crap. U jus glimpsed vids. Messi was pure magic for yearssss at Barca guy. Some of yal smoke a bit too much
@@nwameperez9075 Messi was perfect. Perfect doesn't mean beautiful or magical. Means perfect.
@@coachvictor_game Ok to say Messi was just only perfect and not beautiful or magical just because he doesn't use flashy skills is a bit of a stretch. Sure, players like Ronaldinho, Neymar, R9, Maradona, etc were definitely flashier and definitely were more enjoyable to watch, it's just a very shitty take to say Messi wasn't at least a joy to watch or didn't played beautiful football.
messi plays on a whole other level. messi carried a dying argentina team for so long with di maria, and carried a literally useless barca team after neymar left, and even more after suarez left. (specially in 2019). barca almost went unbeaten in la liga once, and the one game they lost it was the 1 game that messi didnt play. messis impact to the team is immensly high and should at least be comparable to maradona, instead of just being shrugged off
Simply, Messi not even top 10 in history. Guliit can play 6 positions Messi only 1. Johan 10 positions. Messi only RWF. He also need to learn how to play defense, no height, average below with his head, and as i say lack of multiple position unlike Matthaus Gullit Pele and especially Johan - makes Messi out of top 10. Not to mention softest era ever. He not even on Roberto Baggio, Rivelino, Romario Van Basten Eusebio level.
YEAH WITH 15 PENALTIES BECAUSE SAIDI ARABIA BETTER THAN HIM. NO REFS NO WORLD CUP
@@ZzzVainwhat the shit logic you brought here.Others are legends but Messi is legend above legends.
@@ZzzVain15 penalties?what the hell?
@@superyoutuberbd2085 refs above Messi 15 penaties on World Cup
You have a ton of hard core Maradona fans (including myself) on these threads.. but unlike most of them, my Maradona goggles aren’t foggy.
I prefer Maradona, yes. His skills, prowess, decisiveness, and leadership, made him a ridiculous force of nature of the pitch.
BUT, to say Messi isn’t close or better ? Is criminal and straight haterade at this point.
you see i disagree, but i can respect that. I'll even admit that at absolute peak vs peak theres definitely great arguments in favor of maradona, but the difference being Messi's prime simply lasted MUCH longer and was far more consistent.
@@wesbyEric I don’t disagree with that either, though. The truth is, Messi’s career eclipses Maradona’s by a wide margin. It’s just facts.
This is why I say that hardcore Maradona fans saying Messi isn’t close (or better) is criminal.
Cause it’s not true.
Messi is better
@@MohammedFarouk-t5j I have no issue with that, though haha. Like I said, I prefer Maradona, but Messi has every argument to call Him the GOAT.
close not better.
Comparison is the thief of joy and the both of them gave the footballing world immense joy no need for comparison they're both the greatest in their own right and who's better is subjective and arguable in my opinion and very difficult to do considering the difference in eras but it doesn't matter who believes what as long as they're both loved and cherished.
To say Messi was not as important to Barcelona as Maradona was to Napoli is absurd. Messi false 9 position allowed Barcelona to unlock their full potential, and years later he single handedly carried a weak Barca team to the CL semifinals, and would have won it all if it wasnt for Dembele. Never seen a footballer dominate every part of the pitch as Messi did in that 18/19 season. Just seeing how weak Barcelona is now compared to when Messi was playing speaks volume to how influential he was.
Indeed.
New Camp Nou should be named after Messi, that's all I have to say
Maradona took a low table team to win 2 times in a far better league than laliga of 2010
@@mixoxu4374 Better league than laliga 2010? You are so deluded dude. Comparing the 80s with 2010 biggest joke ever🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
@@mixoxu4374 yea and Messi changed the way the football is played post 2010. He bullied prime United under SAF twice in the CL finals. I'd say the 'park the bus' football exist because teams were trying to stop prime Messi in 2010.
Maradona 86 world cup> messi
Maradona whole career overall
Maradona in the 85/86 season (where he won the World Cup and then Seria A with Napoli) >>>>>>> any version of Messi
@@johnrockyryan nah nostalgia merchant
@@johnrockyryan86-90 Maradona Way way better than Messi
Messi 2012 is better than Maradona 86.
@@stanisawmeres856 messi 12 is 1/12 of Maradona 86. Statpadding weak teams won nothing in important one
Kante winning with liechester city is more impressive than marradona with Napoli.... and he also won the world cup with France...
I started watching football in world cup 1998, i was 13 years old, i remember the joy seeing all the talented players do there magic, after that i saw clips of Maradona playing, i was shocked haw can such a player exist, how can a player dribble half team when dribbling one defender is considered a top talent.
That time i wished i saw Maradona play live. Luckily i witnessed messi doing everything Maradona did.
For me the goat is messi but only because he was more than a player in the field.
As for numbers and stats, there were never a standard before C.Ronaldo, because it’s the only way to make a player compete with messi , and competition is good for making money.
Messi has better stat than Ronaldo because he has better goal ratio more assists more individual award and trophies
pulling stats out of your ass jus to make maradona look good
when none of you ever watched him play is crazy
Evidently never watched Maradona live
Nostalgia
Maradona played in the best league in the world at the time (Italian) who are known for their solid defense, so was much harder to score. Also, it was much rougher and you could kick players in them days. The pitch was not as smooth as it is today. Maradona played for Napoli Messi had Barcelona best ever team around him.
That would be true…. If Messi didnt have that highest dribbling and assist stat than anyone who’s ever played the game.. if this statement is a head scratcher for u.. a combo of good dribbling and passing makes a good midfielder.. which means in his entire career at barcelona.. Messi was actually the one carrying the team.. not the other way around.. because he could score when he wants to.. but he always chose to pass the ball for others to score
@@Nana_Ryda Ok it is a lot easier to dribble when people don't kick and do hard fails on you constantly, now players are too scared to even touch you. Maradona was also in the best league in the world and Italians are known for their Defensive football.
It is a lot easier to assist when you have world-class players around you like Neymar Suarez Ronaldinho Eto'o Henry David Villa, Maradona never had a single world-class player around him. When Messi went to PSG he still had world-class people around him in the farmer's league and still didn't do as good as Maradona did with Napoli (with 0 World class players around him)
Maradona had more heart, he would never give up.
Speed (I say the same)
Passing (both world-class)
Dribbling (again both world-class)
Strength (Messi is not weak by any means but Maradona was a bit stronger)
Messi and CR7 were the best players in my lifetime (since 1992) Messi was the best player in Barcelona but no way did he carry them please look up what this word means. Maradona did carry both Napoli and Argentina.
So basically what you said is irrelevant.
@@bmwjarvo “its a lot to dribble when people dont kick you”… Since 2006.. after the ankara Messi goal.. have u seen any player even come close to replicating that goal?… defenders now are much more tactical than those in Maradona’s era..if u ever played football in real life.. you’d realize how easy it is to dribble past players that charges at you.. the ones that hold off and anticipate your movement instead of stupidly trying to kick you off the ball are the hardest defenders to get the ball past.. And still Messi always found a way through all that..
@@Nana_Ryda Did you read my comment? I said Messi and CR7 are the best players I have ever seen in my life? So I am not saying he is shit. The comment is about how unfair this argument is and pointless stats. I am not replying to you anymore because it is pointless to debate with an idiot, you just talk a lot of nothing and don't read anything that I say. Defenders in the 80s 90s and 00s are better than today, Maldini, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Terry, Ferdinand, Nesta. The best defenders in the last decade (Hummels Chilellini Kompany Sergio Ramos, Thiago Silva) are all old now but were not in the top 20 in the 00s) Defenders are no way better now.
It was much rougher back then, but it's way faster today.
Dinho was better then Neymar without a doubt!
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100%. Barça fan here and i lived both players career. Neymar is an artist but within a structure. Plus injuries. Plus the only time he lead a team was barcelona in his last season and Brazil (with poor results).
Dinho was a force, he single-handedly could win matches regularly. He carried Barcelona since day one, and his downfall was rijkaard's FCB's. Late Milan ronaldinho couldn't carry the team, but was still and artist and a differential player. In his 30s he won a Libertadores.
Prime ronaldinho was epic. The magic of neymar + the power and offensive play of Nazario.
better by far
no he was not
Other than the Ballon D'or and World Cup, WHY is Dinho better than Neymar? Neymar is a better Dribbler, passer, is 2 footed. Scores more goals, gets more Assists, has more longevity, Gremio Dinho is nowhere near Santos Neymar; Barca Dinho is equal to Barca Neymar and Milan Dinho is nowhere near PSG Neymar, Neymar has 300 more G/A in 100 LESS games than Dinho, Neymar didn't win a Ballon D'or because his competition was Messi and Ronaldo, Neymar is a 5 time Ballon D'or top 5 Nominee, Dinho only finished top 5 twice; and Neymar is Brazil's all time top scorer and Assister, won Brazil's first Olympic Medal and carried his country in World Cup's despite having way worse Brazil teams than Dinho, Dinho got 0 G/A in the 2006 WC in his PRIME, a nearly 31 year old Neymar carried Brazil in the 2022 WC. Ronaldinho is NOWHERE NEAR Neymar, Neymar can do everything Ronaldinho did in terms of skills, flair and dribbling, but scores and Assists more, is more consistent; is more clutch, has more longevity, has more Trophies, shall I continue?
Maradona peak was higher..messi was more consistent
Nah, In both ways Messi did it better.
@@issi529 no lol
@@mure78 Yes lol. People forgot how good Messi was in his peak. He literally scored 22 games in a row. 91 goals in a year he was a absolute alien.
@@issi529 its easy to score in this era of soft football and super teams..he was surrounded by world class mates lol while literally noone remembers anyone maradona played with
@@mure78 So what? In that case you can also say that football goes way faster nowadays than maradona's time were they played very slow and brainless. Messi played with great teammates not always but ok. But on the other hand he played on a much higher level too. Cause messi also played against other great superstars as well wich is very hard to do. Maradona played against bakers and truckdrivers and never won a europacup.
Lionel Messi is an example on field and off field. As humble as he's talented.
Lost me with the Ronaldinho and Neymar comparison!
Please elaborate sir how were you lost
Neymar clears
Only category that matters is talent. Maradona wins.
Messi is far ahead of maradona in all ramifications of the game
Messi has more talents.
Deluded
@@richardneighbors5701
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There's nothing that can be done to diminish the amazing legacy of one Diego Armando Maradona!
Messi is like the combination of Maradona and Pele. The flair, dribble, playmaking skills of Maradona meet Pele's goalscoring ability and consistency.
@@MinhNguyen-vl6ul you have no idea what you're talking about 🤣
@@hellowalkman4506he’s right tho?
@@Chukz05Messi Flair?😂
Never
Ronaldo is the combination of Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo.
The best of both and better than both
Maradona means so much to so many in the world. He was the hero to not just Argentina but to others too. Messi may have all the trophies but maradona has the love of the world.
Maradona 😂is a Napoli local champion outside Argentina
not for long though..when generations that watched maradona died (like our parents), so will the nostalgia..then we will compare by fact, which messi is far superior
@@intjrovert9611and the comparision will be useless because the ones who watched dont talk no more , facts are not true are just data , computer loads data human sees talent beauty feel passion why that dont matter anymore? All just say numbers and names of trophies , so many champions and record are forgotten but they are talking about numbers blablabla never played football? You know what it feels? We all gonna die and the numbers dont inmortalize you only the memory , hope you get what im saying
An argentine friend, old dude, when Messi won the world cup i said to him "finally Messi tied or even surpassed Diego" and he smirked and said thats never ever going to happen, even if Messi wins another world cup, i asked him why? It is not even close in stats and trophies and he goes "nah, u dont get it, Diego represented the boy in the streets with holes in his shoes that came from poverty playing footbal, Messi represents growth hormones at 12 years old in one of the best football schools in the world....u dont get it" and that day i knew never to ask that question to antoher argentine, specially an old one
You didnt consider the fact that messi had to take growth hormones just to reach the baseline...his body couldnt produce it. Also ignored the fact that he was from the best football schools because he earned it. One could even argue that diego had easier opponents.
@@sasmitvaidyaOut of all the arguments Diego had easier opponents is the one you chose? I swear casuals are so fkin rtarded
Really? They hold Messi's health problems against him? The flip side of that argument is that despite the medical issues, Messi was good enough to convince Barcelona to pay for his treatments. Maradona overcame adversity in the form of poverty, and Messi overcame adversity in the form of hormone deficiency.
Edit: "Adversity," not "diversity." I've been watching too many videos criticizing the entertainment industry.
It's just unfortunate you created this imaginary story in your head and typed it here.... Messi represent growth hormones 😅😂
You just a pained Ronaldo fan
No Argentinian will say what you just wrote
Shut up
The growth hormone is a medical miracle to stop him from being a dwarf. He is an inspiration and he is the best ever.
You Argentines are jealous of his health and career success.
Those talking about Messi's longevity forget that Maradona played in the days when pitches weren't pristine and defenders were looking to break your leg. Messi had a security team in comparison. If Messi were playing during Maradona's days, his legs wouldn't have lasted longer than 3 years.
Sir, you are being lenient to defenders of that era, Ronaldo Nazario dominated the Serie A for one season with Inter, and the next season his knee exploded twice. Sliding double foot tackles at full velocity, constant leg kicking man markers, tower center backs jump down pressing during corners, just to name a few. And Ronaldo Nazario is 6ft 90kg big man.
No one in the history of Football has controlled a ball better than Maradona has. He could make a football do things others can only dream of. Messi played on a stacked mega team for his entire career while Maradona likely came to games high as a kite. I would say that Messi is the greater player but Maradona is the better player.
Bro talk to these small children who don't understand the true greatness of Diego Armando Maradona when it comes to pure talent he clear Messi IDGAF!!!
@@johnrockyryan Pure talent there’s never been anyone better.
@@DynamicUnreal Actually there's this El Salvador player that played with Maradona in Barca. In 1986 after the World Cup Win Maradona said that guy was a better player than him.
@@DynamicUnreal TELL EM BRO!
Yep, Diego was the greatest expression of pure football to ever grace this world and that's the main argument for him being the greatest of all time, whatever number and titles you have you simply cannot replicate what Diego did in 1986 or Napoli its just beyond the abilities of any other player who ever lived, including Messi
Football is a team-sport and making individual judgements is hard and harsh to players. Times have changed a lot and comparisons are so inaccurate, but many seasoned fans will agree on the fact that Maradona was the most talented, iconic and influential (on and off the pitch) footballer that ever played the game. But Messi is the most longeval, clinical and complete player of History
Times have changed indeed. Football became much more competitive than Maradona's time. Messi has by the way more talent than diego.
Maradona did nothing in UCL and Copa America.
@@amooolusina6978 Indeed. People are just too blind to see that.
I dunno I think Maradona is comparable
You have to watch him
Not even Messi dribbled like him
It wasn’t about stats then
It was about who got the crowd going the most
But yes stats wise sure Messi is better but that’s half the picture if that
Messi has been protected all his life, not Diego. Messi was a part of the Barcelona academi, Maradona did it by himself.
dumb humsn being n
the reason why messi was a part of barcelana's academy was because he was a really good player
he wasnt protected, have u seen how real madrid used to foul him?
The only thing you got wrong is thinking that Ronaldinho is not greater than Neymar because he is. He is easily on the same pedestal as Messi and CR_7.
did he say that?
its like saying mag uire is better than John terry
Ye but World Cup tax is World Cup tax.
Messi was always the better player overall but Maradona was ,,The guy that dragged Argentina and Napoli to greatness ".
You can't quantify that in stats.
Nether can you quantify what Pele did.
Those 3 have gone where no other footballer ever has, so they are on the teir above all the other Greats
Pele's first WC he was not instrumental, he contributed as a teen which is magnificent for sure, but it was not because of Pele that they won. Pele was injured an entire WC of the 3 "he" won, and most agree he wasnt even the best player of the tournament of WC 70, that prized belonged to his teamate whose name i cant remember but was the top goalscorer and overall better performer, but Pele was the bigger name and so got the award. Maradona had an unreal 86 WC for sure, but people forget that unlike with messi and higuain in 86 Maradona's teammates stepped up when they needed to, otherwise germany would have taken that title. Maradona was a disaster in 82, and 94. And Messi had although not as great still great 2014 WC(which should have won if Higuain had not choked so damn hard, or Di Maria gotten injured) then 2022 amazing record breaking performance. Neither Pele nor maradona won a copa america or olympic tournament, and Messi now has 2 copa america and 1 olympics, in all 3 wins winning player of the tournament award. And you say greatness Barcelona's greatest era BY FAR has been Messi's Barcelona, look at barcelona before and look at it after Messi..
@@wesbyEricMaradona was not a disaster in 82. Think next time
Messi was NEVER better than Maradona.
Are you blind? Messi can't even compere!
But Messi is the one with the most trophies in the history of Football.
Well the defending was worse ...but harder hits yes doesnt mean ...as time goes on defending got better and better .... so messi is in a class of his own
How is comparing a forward with a midfielder creditable? Maradona is simple the best player with a football
And u just outed urself as a dumb football fan… by thinking Messi excels in just one position… Messi’s official position in Barcelona when he started was the left wing, we saw him score a hattrick against madrid’s galacticos in that position.. the position Neymar used to play.. he moved to the right wing.. won a ballon d’or.. played the falso 9 position and scored 91 goals in a year.. a record no registered number 9 has been able to break.. we talking about Mbappe, lewandoski etc.. Messi moved again to the right wing but started dropping into the midfield into the attacking midfielder position.. And has the highest dribbling and assist stat than any midfielder who has ever played the game.. So lemme ask u this.. what position would u register Messi in to compare to Maradona?… cuz it seems like no matter which position he plays.. he sets records that people cant break
@@Nana_Ryda yeah its very easy for Messi when the defenders aren't trying to break him in 2 put Messi in Diegos era and his career would have been cut very short put Diego in Messi era he you get the GOD of football in his element
There is no sense in this...Even Maradona time there were not so much great defenders..Stop being a hater and accept facts
Messi is Maradona.. But with more consistency, longevity, discipline and a better career! Both are legends but Messi is like an upgraded version of Maradona, so Messi > Maradona
Messi helped an average Argentina team to the finals on 2014 wc. Messi himself helped saved Argentina to qualify for the 2018 World Cup. Messi himself helped Barcelona get into the 2019 champions league. Messi himself helped Barcelona win laliga 2018. Maradona flopped at Barca, had a decent performaniming team in 1986 wc when some of the players almost outperformed him. Messi played against better average players who are faster,stronger etc and still outperformed them for over a decade. Messi has the most assists despite being a forward and is the 2nd top scorer in history. Messi is a alien and is greater than any footballer ever before him
1) When ARG win: Messi is the man! He carried the team! He himself helped!
When ARG loses: Oh its the team's fault. Average team, flop team 😭
2) Nice of you to not mention Copa 2024 where ARG won with just 1 goal & 1 assist from Messi. His teammates did the rest. 😭
3) Messi has millions of fan. Whereas Ronaldo has Billions of fans. More people on earth think CR7 is the GOAT. And these Billions will write the history, not millions 😭
1 Sergio Romero goalkeeper, Monaco
2 Ezequiel Garay defender, Benfica
3 Hugo Campagnaro defender, Internazionale
4 Pablo Zabaleta defender, Manchester City
5 Fernando Gago midfielder, Boca Juniors
6 Lucas Biglia midfielder, Lazio
7 Ángel di María midfielder, Real Madrid
8 Enzo Pérez midfielder, Benfica
9 Gonzalo Higuaín forward, Napoli
10 Lionel Messi (captain) forward, Barcelona
11 Maxi Rodríguez midfielder, Newell’s Old Boys
12 Agustín Orión goalkeeper, Boca Juniors
13 Augusto Fernández midfielder, Celta Vigo
14 Javier Mascherano midfielder, Barcelona
15 Martín Demichelis defender, Manchester City
16 Marcos Rojo defender, Sporting
17 Federico Fernández defender, Napoli
18 Rodrigo Palacio forward, Internazionale
19 Ricardo Álvarez midfielder, Internazionale
20 Sergio Agüero forward, Manchester City
21 Mariano Andújar goalkeeper, Catania
22 Ezequiel Lavezzi forward, Paris Saint-Germain
23 José María Basanta defender, Monterrey
How is this squad average?
Lol.. The guy did nothing in K. O. Defence carried
Di Maria is the reason yall casuals think Messi is the goat 🤡🤡
Messi had world class players in his team. Maradona didn't. Maradona was a 1 man army. Messi flopped at psg with mbappe and neymar.
These are legends of the game. There is no comparisons among them , except respect.
In what world does Maradona beat Messi in the eye test? Slower, far less legendary goals, ponderous by comparison.
I just let him have it just to be nice 😆
You definitely have not seen maradona, you disrespect him and everyone here, go watch football in the garbage as you do, slower? yeah he might be but with the amount of injuries he has to sustain its a fact that is obvious to see, more speed equals more injuries if players try to injure you and legendary goals? HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY??! come on man you are just a 10 year old kid or what?
@@halfwaycashplayers from that era would get lapped nowdays. Just because they did more fauls doesn't mean that they were better. Football as we know now started in 2002. The 60/90' era its incredibly overrated.
U r another clueless Messifanboy. Messi faster?😂 If Messi is able to run past 5 athletic defender all just watching and letting him run on carpet pitches then of course it might Look as if he was fast.
While Maradona played on pitches which looked as a bombed ground where the ball bounced each few metres and he had to win space like in american football because he was butchered down already some times before even reaching the box. Funny how people with 0 ball knowledge try to compare messis pampered era with Maradonas toughest era of all time
@halfwaycash If anything this shows how dangerous he was, not everyone was getting fouled the way Maradona was getting fouled
Estos muchachos… por dios. Messi en una entrevista con Zizou dijo que de chico todos soñaban ser como el Diego, pero que después ninguno llegó a ser como él (más o menos así dijo). Y Messi no le debe nada a nadie. Habla francamente. Lo dice porque lo piensa.
Y Messi piensa eso porque sabe muchísimo más de futbol que todos nosotros y cuando alguien que sabe mucho ve al Diego, entiende.
Más allá de todo, un agradecido de haber nacido en Argentina, pero también en Sudamérica, Dinho, Sócrates (rengo y bebedor), y miles más.
Un placer.
El futbol es el deporte más bello, siempre y cuando lo jueguen Sudamericanos.
Cariños a todos!
It's a lot closer actually. Eras can't be compared.
I am Argentine, watched the 2 of them. Messi his whole career, Maradona his final years.
European football since the effects of the bosman rulling were established is all about 7 or 8 super clubs that hoard the best players of the planet in bulk, even if they don't use them in order to beat the competition.
Look at Chelsea...
In Maradonas time, before the bosman rulling clubs were a lot more even and competitive. So on big clubs had a couple of great players but also regular ones in your own team, and the opposition was in average stronger.
Give Maradona the chance to play alongside lots of the best players in the world for 15 years vs Alaveses and rayos vallecanos and your stats will be a lot better.
Maradona faced brutal, career ending tackles all his career. Messi didn't. Talented players like Messi are protected by refs these days thanks to players like Maradona.
World cup qualifiers were a lot different. Hence Maradona played a lot less games on the national team. Messi has great stats, but padded specially on the last years thanks to the terrible friendly games Tapia, the AFA president, organized. They might as well play Sunday league teams.
Messis behaviour gives him the edge but maybe his family learnt from Maradonas case what to to manage his career properly.
Maradona was the first truly global sports superstar. You might also bring Pele but telecominications weren't as developed in the 50s/60s so he had less reach
@@87crimson not only the bossman judgement got a huge Effect.
Even more impact had the changes in rules. 1990 offside rule and 1998 tackling rule got changed to favour attacker. From mid 00s on tacklings got restricted even further to the extent that each slight Touch would be a foul.
Messi did not faced brutal career ending tackles? Seriously? LOL!!! I can listen to you claiming Maradona is better but claiming messi did not receive brutal tackles is the saying of a true clown. HAHA!
@@awp20rokhum ur the clueless clown dude. In messis hardest foul compilations u always see the same 15-20 fouls He got throughout his career.
That amount Maradona got in a month.
Watch some Maradona foul compilations and come back then.
Its not even worth to compare LOL.
Look up gentile vs Maradona here on RUclips. There u will see 23 fouls in one Single match.
Crazy how delusional most messi fanboys r
@@awp20rokhum NO ONE TRY TO FRACTURE MESSI LEG LIKE IN 80S U CANT TALK HERE ANYMORE MESSI PLAY ION ERA OF FLOPPERS WHERE NEYMAR HAVE MIX VIDEOS ON YT OF DIVING
@@ZzzVain HAHAHA! here is a laugh for you CLOWN!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Maradona is Messi with balls
Nope.
Messi is Maradona without the drugs 😂😂
@@BombasticLarvaeFactos😂
Maradona is Messi without Copa America and UCL😂😂
@@Hypocrisy.Allergic Cokeballs.. 🥱🥱
messi is a Barcelona player, he showed us how good he is in Ligue 1 (5.leag in europ) in PSG .with 6 balondors ,it was not fun to watch. messi is good with other good in the team. Maradona make the team better without neymar,iniesta,xavi,mbappe,suarez. and he won the wc in hes prime without 5 penaltys. i never saw messi did bicycle kick or rabona kick or score from 30m some basic specialty
They're different players, with different characteristics who played in different eras, so I don't know how useful comparisons are, particularly GOAT discussions. Messi needed to be surrounded by top players, which he in turn made better. Maradona could carry a team all by himself, although it wasn't clear how well he could co-exist with other great players. Messi played in an era in which attackers were carefully protected by the rules and the referees, while Maradona was butchered continuously. (As was Pele' before him). And of course, Maradona's personal vices destroyed him, so he didn't have Messi's longevity. If I could only add one player to a team, I'd pick Maradona. If I were rounding out a championship team, I'd pick Messi. There are just different abilities.
I also think that Alfredo di Stefano needs to be part of this discussion of great Argentines, as he dominated his era more than the other two did. All of those Real Madrid Champions Cup wins were his. And he apparently could play just about any position on the field expertly, and did, anticipating Cruyff's style in this.
Messi pulled up one of the worst Argentine squads in the last 20 years to a world cup victory. I don't think he needed to be surrounded by top players to win.
Maradona also played in an era where most teams weren't anywhere near as stacked as they are now. Most teams didn't have good players so it was easier for 1 or 2 players to influence a game.
Maradona in today's game can't carry a team like he did back then. And realistically, in this day and age, with the teams being so stacked, no player really can carry a team to that level.
@@lifestyle807 The officials played a larger role in Argentina's victory than Messi himself. Anybody could have scored his penalties so him converting them doesn't count for all that much. Meanwhile Maradona in 86 was the closest thing there's ever been to a player winning a trophy in football all by themself.
And where were all the good players plying their trade in the 80's and 90's if you say no team had more than 2 of them? Were few people in the world playing football in those days? How could the talent pool have been that much smaller when there were still billions of people on the planet?
Messi was a Classic Hero: The simple guy holds his honor and becomes the best of them all, against all possible odds to live forever. Diego was a Tragic Hero: The tormented mind fight for the raise of the beauty, for it to ever live among us, battling death. If you understand this, understand everything.
Bruh Messi wouldn’t even have been a possibility in the 80s. He would’ve been barely been 5 ft talk given his growth hormone deficiencies and would’ve also gotten kicked around in the serie a. It is absolutely absurd to be comparing players between different eras as almost everything would’ve been different.
He is one of the best midfielders but he shouldn't be compared to forwards
Anyone who knows football says Messi is the best player ever there is no doubt
Influence in the team is key
Obviously world cup is a bigger achievement than champions league....both have their importance in itself but winning a world cup is a different level of achievement to celebrate football❤ and any team that able to win world cup or champions league or even a regular league is never an average team yes their may be difference in how many times they have won it i mean consistency may not be their in every champion team but any champion team in that particular year especially can't be said as average team 😊
Can't compare greats from totally different eras
i agree, no one like messi. the GOAT
I think Messi is better but the idea that it is just media that brings up comparisons is wrong. There are GENUINE comparisons. Nowadays Europe is undoubtedly more prestigious than South America. But back then a lot of those claims were actually just bias. Up until the turning point of football when the sport became more systematic, it was close. Before becoming Maradona was a senior player Argentinos Juniors were a relegation side. Immediately when Maradona debuted they became a powerhouse. Then he joined Boca who were struggling and established them as powerhouses again. Non-bias media had already proclaimed him the best player in the world multiple times. Another piece of context is before the Calciopoli scandal the Serie A was the best league in the world. And Maradona at Napoli was the best the league had ever seen. His time in LaLiga was criminally underrated. He didn’t win much similar to Messi in the latter stages of his Barca career, but was still the hardest player to go up against. Now let’s talk internationally. He only won one WC, but should have won more. Maradona was left out of the Argentina side that won their first ever WC, but was considered one of the best Argentinians in the world at 17. His spot was taken by an inferior player due to political reasons. People still talk about the hand of god without realizing in the 1982 WC Argentina was arguably the best team but was victim to extreme European bias (as where many South American giants) with some of the most clear decisions against them in history. In 1990 he arguably did better than Messi in 2014; both lost finals to Germany. But people accept Messi as the best player in the 2014 WC without seeing how scrappy his run to the final was. It was almost the exact same as England in the Euros this year. Meanwhile Maradona was truly cooking in 1990.
People are going to comment “Bro wrote a whole essay 🤓“. There’s literally no point in saying that. If you don’t want to read just don’t say anything. It’s just an NPC comment that nobody asked for.
Maradona is nostalgic for the older generation, it's like when they say their music today will never be better than the music of yesterday, but in this case Messi is better than anyone before him and probably after him.
i agree messi is better music is definitely gonna get better but 2024 music is ass compared to the to the 1990ss
Messi admires Maradona. Without him, there would be no Messi. Messi says Ronaldo Nazario was the best though. All great great above natural level.
The problem is that you compare dufferent eras, Maradona had tackles and played on worse pitches and worse balls. Maradona and Messi had similar talent, but Messi could play for much longer for many reasons.
I don't know man, I'm a Messi fan but even now when I watch some of highlights of Maradona I just can't pont fingers anywhere else when it comes to tagging someone as Greatest ever. What Maradona could do messi hasn't: he is not at all as versatile as Maradona.
aside from flair and motivating his team, what could maradona do better? Messi was indeed a better dribbler, better at through balls, better at long passes, better at long shots, better at scoring. stats completely prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Maradona had flair though, he not only did amazing things he did them in ways that were just such a joy to watch, kind of a in between messi and ronaldinho. absolutely increible and we have been blessed to have enjoyed seen him play.
@@wesbyEric Maradona could dribble better, yup, going forward the speed with which he'd dribble past defenders, plus look at the skills he always had up his sleeves, Rabona, 360, step overs, and its funny that you mentioned through balls, watch some of his assists. Overall, he was more skilled than messi.
@@theologyrationality6556 Messi has way more assist, goal contributions, and chance creation lol
Maradona himself said messi is his direct successor idk how is this still a debate
because people are dumb
Maradona made average teams winners,messi needed to play in teams of superstars to be winners, make no mistake maradona is a level above every player in history
Messi played against much better players. He played on a higher level for years. Messi is better clown.
Maradona (and maybe Pelé) is another (higher) league. There was a time when Napoli would kick off and Diego would charge towards the opponent's field until, in the final third, he would get fouled and Napoli would start with a somewhat risky free kick.
@@pablorey9203 Messi is much better.
@@issi529 not. And it isn't even close. I saw almost all matches of both, or at least many. Messi said that many many times. But I do not really care too much, I am just happy that both (and Di Stefano) are Argentinian.
@@pablorey9203 What do you mean Messi said it many times? Enough experts said that 2011 and 2012 Messi was the greatest player that has ever lived. You clearly didn't saw every match of Messi no way in hell. Messi has also much more great matches than Maradona. You are just a nostalgic fanboy thats all.
It is intriguing to observe a sociological phenomenon where individuals often believe that their contemporary experiences represent the pinnacle of historical achievement. This perspective can be influenced by various factors, including advancements in technology, which contribute to improvements in certain areas, including football.
Moreover, it is essential to recognize that each era of football is characterized by distinct rules, cultural contexts, and playing conditions, rendering comparisons between legends from different decades somewhat impractical. The remarkable talents of past players, such as Pelé and Maradona, have undoubtedly laid the groundwork for the current generation of athletes, thereby enriching our present-day entertainment.
I agree with that. But at the same time I think some people may reach such high levels in their respected crafts, that they transcend time and become a benchmark for all future generation. For example are poets of today able to surpass the poetic genius of Homer, Virgil, Dante or Shakespeare? Is there any modern writer with the ability to make deep insights about human nature as Dostoyevsky did? Who among Bach, Mozart and Beethoven is the greatest musician of all time? Is Taylor Swift better than them just because she lives and creates today? The same discussion is valid in football between Maradona and Messi whose genius is in par with the likes of Dante and Mozart. It is hard who is better between them as they both played in a different times and circumstances, but only one of them won everything there is to win in football. Actually, Messi is the only player to win every major trophy in football. So if we have to choose a king among the genius footballers, Messi is the most obvious choice.
@@LNLBD While Lionel Messi has undoubtedly achieved remarkable success by today's standards, it is important not to use his accomplishments as the sole benchmark for evaluating the entirety of football history. In the eras of Pele and Maradona, the landscape of the sport was significantly different; for instance, there was no Champions League, and South American players were not required to compete in Europe. Additionally, during Maradona's time, the frequency of matches and tournaments was also less than what we see today. A common oversight among contemporary observers is the tendency to assume that the current era represents the pinnacle of football without taking into account the various contextual factors that influence the game over time.
@@TCGTales I have never said that the current era is the pinnacle of football. I just stated the fact that Messi is the only one to win everything, he was destined to do it. Maradona and Pele never won the Copa America and they never proved themselves in a big team where the expectations to win are incredibly high. Santos and Napoli were not big teams so Pele and Maradona did not face the mental pressure Messi had to face.
I wanted to clarify my previous comments, as I was not specifically addressing your views but rather the perspectives expressed by some younger commentators regarding the current state of football. It is clear that you did not claim this particular era to be the pinnacle of the sport.
To elaborate, Pelé's absence from Copa America victories can largely be attributed to his commitments with Santos, which were focused on global tours, as well as the tournament structure and scheduling during that time. Furthermore, it is worth noting that during Pelé's career, CONMEBOL faced significant challenges, including political instability, which impacted the organization of Copa America for nearly a decade.
This brings me to my main point: when comparing players, tournaments, and trophies across different eras, we must recognize that the significance and context of these achievements can vary substantially. For instance, the Ballon d'Or was not awarded to non-European players for several decades, highlighting some of the disparities in recognition and competition throughout football history.
There are many examples that illustrate how the sport has evolved over time, and I believe it’s essential to consider these factors in our discussions.
@@TCGTales I agree. However, we need to have in mind that football is foremost a team sport. Pele was part of, quite probably, Brasil's greatest generation. It is important to point out that he did not took part in Brazil elimination games in the 1962 WC. Yet, Brazil managed to triumph, leg by great Garincha. On the contrary, Messi was carrying his national team. For example: out of the 8 goals Argentina scored in 2014 WC Messi was involved in 7 of them; without his crucial hattrick against Ecuador in 2017, Argentina would miss the 2018 WC; after loosing the first game against Saudi Arabia in 2022 WC, Messi scored and assisted against Mexico to keep the dream about winning a WC alive, and then he continued with goals and assists during the knockouts. His performances at the 2015, 2016 and 2021 Copa America are important as well. In short, without Pele Brazil could win trophies, but without Messi Argentina was not capable of winning trophies.
It's insane to think that you could take in consideration statistics, winning, awards since not only at the time the game was different it was much MUCH more position and defending focused, meanwhile today it's much more speed and attacking focused, today's game is much more similar to pelè's age game in brazil, and in brazil only, on the eye test it is a discussion but not as good as you make it, there are points that could go to messi, but they are not really comparing to maradona, he played in the best era of defending and in the hardest league of the time with the best defenses probably ever on average (not the best defense ever, but the league with, on average, the best defending ever) and could score imposaible goals just as good as messi's and even better goals, and it's crazy to say that awards and winnings are individual points to discuss, otherwise lautaro and alvarez are better than prime kane, and statistics kinda become meaningless in front of the context.
I don't know who is thebest between maradona, pelè, messi and pre injury ronaldo (the true ronaldo) and idon't think anyone does, but saying that there isn't a debate is crazy, and this comes from someone who grew up with the messi era, who loved messi so much that watched almost every game of his, who held him as the greatest of all time for quite a period, who never thought that messi vs ronaldo was even a debate, but to say that maradona and messi are not extremely close, and use these arguments to support the idea, shows me your tremendous bias and that you have a shallow understanding of the game over the different ages.
Don't take this offensively because it's not meant fo be an insult
Edit I also forgotto say that saying Dinho wasn't better than Neymar you sure are extremely affected by recency bias, because that take is absolutely horrendous
Thank you mate. Especially as you say that you're from Messi's era, your take is a really good one
@@njldst2007 thank you, it just strikes me to hear people who say that there isn't a comparasion between these players, i try to loo at the plays and see how players interacted in the past and in the present and i'm pretty sure that the "golden age of football" is probably either the years from 1995 to 2010, or the '50-'70 era and this speaks plenty, since i could probably be affected be recency bias and say that these most recent players would be on the same level of pelè, garrincha, zito, charlton, yashin, best, beckenbauer, but i think that i can stand this ground and say that those two eras were the best, by comparing both the bests and the average players
So, what is the TRUTH? It is always the TURTH!!
Maradona is late and has been deified hence the reason why people still think he is the best. But Messi is a living legend. 60 years from now Messi will take his rightful place at the head of the pantheon of football gods and put all these to rest.
I feel disrespected that YT recommended this bullshit to me
On the last questions I answered yes the world cup is harder, a few weeks to train and get in tune. No the world cup isn't worth any number of Champions League. It's different its rarity makes it more important and also gives light to international football and its growth. The social aspect of it is extremely important to a point where people said Messi isn't as good totally wrote him off because if not winning the WC despite his numbers.
Messi is the Greatest of all time, there was never a debate.
If you are talking of passing ability, Messi, Verratti, Kroos, Iniesta are in the debate against Maradona, but Ronaldinho edges out with a margin as the king of passes.
Neymar Junior and Maradona have equal playmaking potential as Messi. But Messi edges them both with his goal scoring ability.
However, Johan Cruyff is the greatest playmaker of all time, only behind Ronaldinho in Passing ability.
When you discuss about to goals, Messi enters in the debate as well. But this time against Christiano Ronaldo. Messi still edges out in goals per game ratio.
Messi can't be compared to others, because he takes much more responsibility than others.
Messi delivers successfully more than others on his responsibility as well.
In very simple terms, Messi is both a genius in playmaking, and a genius in scoring.
There is no other player that is a genius in scoring and playmaking.
That is why he is called the greatest of all time
He is a genius dribbler and at free kicks
You don't know anything about football but you're pretend you do, it's pathetic. Go back to playing FIFA, kid.
MF really said R10 is the king of passes what a joke.
Bullshit! Maradona was far better!
@@Kjuken69 at snorting coke
Comparing Neymar to Ronaldinho thats unacceptable.
Refs used to clap while watching Ronaldinho play 😂
Good video
Messi had such a major impact on Barcelona before he came they had 1 champions league which they won with pep after he joined they won 4 more, also Messi is leading the world in dribbles and chances created as well as having the most perfect games in history with 120 so if that’s not having more of an effect on a team idk what is im also not mentioning all the copa del reys and laliga he won with Barca as well as quite literally dragging the Argentina national team through the World Cup, calling that team good is a stretch
saying messi is better because of the nature of the modern game, is one of the naivest arguments you could have made.
by that logic every modern player is better than Maradona.
all 4 measurements you've used is ridiculously stupid given how different football is today compared to Maradonas period.
I'll give you a basic example. the rules of football were so difficult that teams barely could score in the 1980s.
1983 Premier league winners 73 goals in 42 games
1987 Premier league winners 76 goals in 42 games.
1989 Premier league winners 73 goals in a 38 games.
compared to 96 94 99 goals scored by the league winners in last 3 seasons.
goals scored have increased by 50% since Maradonas time.
secondly goal difference for top clubs league winners has doubled by 100% since Maradona time.
this was how difficult it was to score back in Maradonas age.
what that means is 2 things.
1) it was way harder to score in 80s by around 50%. so you need to reduce messis tally by 1/3.
2) it was way harder for the best teams to score against all the other teams as the gap between top clubs and bottom clubs didn't exist. so the benifit of playing for real Madrid, Barcelona, man city that players get today did not exist in the 80s. All the clubs were financially similar and resources similar. So you have to reduce messis tally by another 1/3.
So if you reduce messis goal contributions per game by roughly 70% you'll get a truer comparison with Maradonas.
And the reality is the same for all your other parameters.
this is why using statistics without understanding makes people believe lies.
If we imagine a head-to-head match between Maradona at his peak and Messi at his best in a World Cup final, the answer might depend on what qualities you value most in a player.
Maradona was known for his raw, explosive energy and fierce spirit on the field, especially in high-stakes matches. In his prime, he often played with a sense of urgency and fearlessness that inspired his teammates and could shift the game in his favor, especially when facing tough opponents.
Messi, on the other hand, has an extraordinary level of skill, control, and consistency, often turning games around with his incredible playmaking abilities. His vision, precision, and unique approach have helped him dominate games in his own way.
I will definitely choose Maradona as the winner as an appreciation for his intensity and drive, especially in a pressure-filled World Cup setting where he led Argentina to victory in 1986. He excelled in challenging situations and had a larger-than-life presence that seemed to fuel his team’s confidence and performance.
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for me the GOAT is still "EL PIBE DE ORO".
I thought you had 335k subs and didn't bat an eye but at the end when I went to sub saw that you only had 335 you deserve so much more
Pelé was the best.
Messi was a Classic Hero: The simple guy holds his honor and becomes the best of them all, against all possible odds to live forever. Diego was a Tragic Hero: The tormented mind fight for the raise of the beauty, for it to ever live among us, battling death. If you understand this, understand everything.
Maradona is by FAR better then messi, Pele is better then messi, Maradona played when you were allowed to tackle people hip hight and end up with yellow card at worst, Maradona played on mudbaths, messi plays on green carpets, Maradona was among legendary players like Platini and crew head above everyone else. Maradona skill with the ball is legendary even greats of his time were in awe what he could do and nobody else could get even close... you have Gary Linker talk about this. Maradona single handed won World Cup in 86. Messi was "assisted" to do so because he couldnt do it. And what Maradona did with Napoli... Messi cant sniff anywhere near that. Messi played his entire career on 1 of the two greatest football clubs on the planet, Maradona took last club in Italy against all odds and put them on his back. Its not even close, Maradona scored greatest goal in football history, he played when there was no protection for star players, Messi plays in time when everything is made for him to win and succed. Smartphone generation has no clue about anything ...🤦♂️. Hopless generation stuck with paper numbers instead of what has really been done on the pitch, and how it was done. Maradona is only player i know that is being worshiped as a saint 🤣. You are right about 1 thing, it is not even close... keep messi in conversation with celebrity model from Real Madrid, that is what you should compare
It's not the "smartphone generation" because I agree.
I don't rate players by numbers. There's a saying that was said in a game I used to play. "numbers don't mean everything." I could grab my main attacker and do almost all the damage but if my teammates hadn't made me the space to do such a thing in that game, or hadn't done what they had done, it wouldn't have happened.
The same applies when I play a supporter in a game. They still have to work. It is rare for a team to be carried, especially when they're as bad as Napoli was. We won't see a Marco van basten. We won't see Ronaldinho, and we won't see a maradona again because football is becoming too obsessed with numbers and data.
you are probably old and stopped watching football
@@arghyasarkar3225 Yes i would write all that because i dont watch football... mor...n generation raised by smartphones 🤦♂️🤣
@@RealisticAndTrue nah if they were raised by it they'd be able to easily go look at the magic they could produce by using them. Not a smartphone generation, just hyped by what they grew up with. And that's fine. Goat debates imo are stupid anyways
@@Whalordius They are raised by smartphones, since they cant think for themselves and use their own head 🤣
Messi literally destroyed cannavaro at real madrid back in the day😂😂😂😂
MARADONA IS WAY BETTER THAN MESSI THE THIEF.
Nah.
Maradona is remembered for his infamous handball goal in the '86 to something Messi does not even come close. Calling me a thief is the equivalece of claiming Maradona over Messi lmao.
I don't understand why there is a debate Lionel Messi is clearly the best player ever
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You can't compare maradona to messi, messi is number 1 in the game, maradona played when there was no tactics to tackle a dribbler , you just dribble freely , this days there aremonsters as defender, think of messi playing against kill and go defender PEPE AND SAGIO RAMOS , apart from other defenders like them in other league and messi can dtibble in tight corner maradona can only dribble in an open space on the field but messi will dribble where you don't believe a neddle could even pass through. Messi is a faire player who don't fake anything a pure, clean and raw materials ,messi stands alone other niggas are in other side, AN HUMBLE HERO , BEST WHO NEVER SAY AMTHE BEST, AN EPITOME OF A GOOD LEADER BOTH ON THE PITCH AND OFF THE PITCH, WHAT A QUINTESSENCES
Messi maybe 5 or 6 . R9 . dinho.maradona . Pele was better
Maradona the best
Ok, lets make this clear. Maradona winning the league with Napoli is nothing close to even impossible. Go back and check the trend back then, ofcourse the bigger teams like milan, Juve dominated, but the title was much open to be won by many teams back then in Italy. It was not like today's where just hardly 2 or 3 teams compete for the title. Also the number of games were much lesser which makes it even more unpredictable.
If you still have doubt go and check the list of title winners around the time Maradona won the title with Napoli, you would find teams like Hellas verona and sampdoria winning it!
So Maradona winning it with Napoli os not something impossible. For the people in Naples it might have a nostalgia, but other than that nothing great!
Simply put, you don't know football
Simply, Messi not even top 10 in history. Guliit can play 6 positions Messi only 1. Johan 10 positions. Messi only RWF. He also need to learn how to play defense, no height, average below with his head, and as i say lack of multiple position unlike Matthaus Gullit Pele and especially Johan - makes Messi out of top 10. Not to mention softest era ever. He not even on Roberto Baggio, Rivelino, Romario Van Basten Eusebio level.
I can name 15 players better than Messi even prime Henry was better than any Messi peak. Platini Zico Rivelino Baggio Romario Matthaus Zidane Gullit Van Basten Eusebio Beckenbauer Ronaldinho Pele Maradona I will even take Maldini on draft because I have more for my team. U need great team around Messi but Maldini is FRANCHISE WHOLE TEAM.
@@ZzzVain in my opinion Maradona is better than Messi but tbh not considering Messi in at least Top 3-4 doesnt feel right.
Messi got it easier than past player but still he won everything, thats something even Messi criticizer gotta respect. I criticized Messi and lot myself.
He is certainly up there among the best
@@Rivane84 As I say whos better with head Gullit or Messi ? Whos better in defense , strength , speed, power shoot. Dude what Messi can do that no one else can? He cant do elastico or cycle dribbling. Or even Zidane roullette. He cant play with head like van Basten Batistuta Shearer. Messi is somewhere 13 to 20 spot.
@@Rivane84 Won everything?? U dont deserved to talk. So now Cannavaro is better than Maradona cause he won ballon. Messi never won world cup. Romario score 1000 goals and won world. U mean refs won for Argentina 6 penalties after Arabia schooled Messi
Bringing a comparison of the amount of goals Iniesta scored is a huge disrespect to Iniesta
Iniesta always had players that are extremely good in goal scoring, in his side.
Maradona was usually the main goal scorer in his teams.
If you want to compare Iniesta, you can use the number of passes completed, the number of dribbles completed, if you want to have a fair comparison.
Zidane isn't better than Platini
this guy is a "modern football is better" merchant.
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Your editing is just so impressive
Maradona is the best ever. Messi is an amazing attacking player but does not have the vision, long range passing ability, tackling ability, tenacity, stamina that Maradona or Zidane have
This has to be sarcasm right? lmao
@@BombasticLarvae why would you think it’s sarcasm? 5, 10 or 20 yard passes are not long range passing & Messi doesn’t do passes any longer than those because he doesn’t track back to defend but Zidane & Maradona did & they were capable of accurate 70 yard passes to split defences open. They both tackled opposing players and won the ball back which Messi never does. They have great stamina & sprint to cut off opposing passes but Messi walks around the pitch & only sprints while in possession of the ball or looking for a pass in an attacking position. He’s not capable of lifting players spirits when they go 2v0 down for example. He’s not an inspirational leader in that sense but does lift them with an audacious piece of skill or dribbling which Zidane & Maradona do also. I love watching both Messi & Cristiano Ronaldo equally but they are not the greatest complete players. They are the best goal scorers in history but there is more to football than scoring. The other two were more creative and defensive minded while still capable of taking it upon themselves to score amazing goals when their strikers drew blanks therefore more complete.
Have you ever seen Messi play????
Yes Messi good playr, like modrich an vinicius. Cannot compar to zidan maradonna platini etc.
@@patrickfoster_media5451 Zidane, Maradona, and Platini can't tie Messi's shoelaces let alone being compared lmao
9:14 *CRAZY🥶 the fact that it'll basically take the 2nd and the 3rd to equal(not pass) MESSI🐐 individual awards*
MIND-BLOWING🤯
Messi is just "PERFECT"
I had the privilege of watching both. They were both great, but there's one key difference between them: when Barcelona missed Messi, you still believed they could win no problem. But when Napoli missed Maradona, it felt like the end.
Thats because messi played in a better team. Messi's influence was just as good as Maradona. He saved his horrible team a lot of times.
@@issi529 No, it was because they were DIFFERENT STYLE OF HEROIC ARCHETYPES.
Messi was a Classic Hero: The simple guy holds his honor and becomes the best of them all, against all possible odds to live forever. Diego was a Tragic Hero: The tormented mind fight for the raise of the beauty, for it to ever live among us, battling death. If you understand this, understand everything.
@@coachvictor_game Messi is better imo.
People who says Maradona is better does not know football. AT ALL!. Messi's world cup career alone is FAR better than Maradona. Maradona can't even get Argentina to world cup final more than once(Twice if you count 1990 but read again what I wrote I say he got carried so he didn't 🤭). And the one time he made it to final was because of his impeccable team. Granted he is a Legend and his performance speak for itself. But he had amazing team with him. Messi almost won World cup with FAT Higuain. That alone was a miracle 😂. Four appearance by Maradona, 3 FLOP appearance by Maradona. Messi has 0 flops in 4 appearance. Messi even has under 20 world cup title which Maradona is dreaming just like Penaldo and Pele 🤣
Yes and people act like 1986 Argentina is a weak team is a joke for me. Their squad is extremely high quality. Players like Nestor Clausen, Ricardo Giusti and Ricardo Bochini were the pillars of Independiente who won the Copa Libertadores 1984 and then defeated Liverpool in the Intercontinental Cup.
Two midfielders Sergio Batista and Claudio Borghi are the key players of Argentinos Juniors, when this club won the Argentine championship for two consecutive years (1984, 1985), besides the Copa Libertadores title in 1985.
Enrique, Nery Pumpido and Oscar Ruggeri and River Plate won the Copa Libertadores in 1986, just a few months after the tournament in Mexico.
Jorge Valdano played for Real Madrid and won the La Liga 1985-1986 BEST foreign player.
It can be said that Argentina football clubs dominated South America in those years with a pool of talents playing domestically and in Europe.
You realize that he got them to 2 finals, do you?
@@Tackleseb LOL are you talking about 1990? Where was Maradona? If Maradona didn't play 1990 world cup Argentina would have won. Argentina were that Good. Unlike Messi where Argentina 100% rely on him. Literally. If messi did not comeback to National Argentina WILL NOT have qualified for World Cup. The stats speak for it self. Messi is among the top Goal scorer with the highest assist in World Cup history in 4 World Cup same as Maradona. Only blind cuckolds thinks Maradona was better.
Very ironic that you just exposed yourself as someone who doesn't know about football in terms of it's history. Maradona's World Cup career is better than Messi's, in fact, if it were not for Messi finally winning it at the very end, this shouldn't even be close to a debate. Messi has a horrible track record of letting the pressure get to him and underperforming in the WC as it goes on longer
@@ThiênPhúcHuỳnh-v6l They weren't a weak team, but they were hardly favorites, and were nowhere near close to being a title winning team until you add Maradona to it.
They nearly didn't qualify for the 86 WC itself, it took Maradona being called out of exile to improve their dismal qualification campaign.
They were a solid squad, but weren't world beaters, the closest to a World class player that you could mention was Valdano, since he played for Madrid, but Valdano scored a whopping 7 goals in 23 apps for Argentina, 4 of those happening at the 86 WC, with Maradona being a factor in almost every single one of them
Ronaldinho was better than Neymar. End of discussion
1 World Cup is worth 2 or 3 champions leagues
Maradona is still closer to Messi then Cristiano. 👌
That is the most shit take I have ever heard 💀💀💀
Ong bruh 😂
that means ronaldo is far behind
Tbh im a messi fan but Cristiano is the closest to messi he can even trade blows with messi in a few things which not many people can do
@@Litttleyoutuber real
Maradona is more than football, he is a cultural heritage. Because of him, the culture of Naples changed, the people built a church in Argentina in his honour, Manu Chao has a song about him...Messi is the achievement winner for sure, and Maradona is the icon winner.
Anyone who puts Messi over Maradona doesn’t know football
Yeah but I don't think he is behind Maradona either. He's definitely up there with Pele and Maradona
@@marsnero6429nostalgia merchant messi is leaps and bounds above those two fraud
@@marsnero6429 NO HE IS NOT I CAN NAME 15 PLAYERS BETTER MORE COMPLETE THAN MESSI. ILL JUST ASK U TO SHOW ME 1 GAME WHERE MESSI PLAY ON LEFT WING. U CANT BE GREAT IF U CANT PLAY 10 POSITIONS LIKE JOHAN OR 6 POSITIONS LIKE GULLIT AND PELE.
@@ZzzVainNo need to text as if you’re angry man, calm down.
@@ZzzVain what are you talking about bro, can pele scores 91 goals in a year