That’s what we call a story arc. We’re never supposed to like Scott until his redemption. People that hate Scott and don’t get that he’s unlikeable by intention, usually doth protest too much. You have to give into the universe and accept it or reject it. So many people reject it. It’s not a bad thing, you have to just release your suspension of disbelief. It’s a different universe. Nothing deeper
I love seeing how people in different stages of life react to Scott. I'm an old ass man now so I mostly just look back on all the awkward, thoughtless things people do in relationships in their early 20s as nostalgic. I remember when I first read the story I thought Scott and Ramona kind of sucked. It took a few years to make me realize that we all hurt people in the search for love, intentionally or not, and the only blameless people are those who have never dated.
I thinks it’s funny that no reactors have a problem with Alicia Silverstone and Paul Rudd in ‘Clueless’ (she’s in high school and he is apparently a college student), but freak out about Scott. He’s a loser… and his life is pretty much a total joke, a fact that reactors just can’t comprehend.
Actually, I think the idea is that Scott didn't respect himself until near the end of the movie, so that's probably the real message there and why he gets along with Nega-Scott. Still, Nega-Scott being the good one does also make sense.
The league of evil X's was basicly the image Ramona had from her X's ... As she said, Scott was "the nicest guy she ever dated". Nega-Scott has that image.
Scott Pilgrim vs the World is like one of my favourite summer movies of 2010 and up to this day thirteen years later, it’s still my favourite. Fun fact, the whole movie is filmed in Toronto, which is the city that I live in since I was born there.
The "Vegan Police" were also linked to superheroes. Thomas Jane played the Punisher. Clifton Collin wasn't a superhero I believe, but he was in the 90's "The Flash" television show.
Scott dates a high schooler because he really hasnt grown up yet, and you're not supposed to like him the majority of the movie, but he does finally learn in the end and becomes a better person from it, which is why nega scott isnt bad, because he already faced those demons.
He dates a high schooler because Envy fucked him up and he wasn't ready for a real, mature relationship; he chose something light and shallow. Sure, they chose to make her 17 instead of, say, 18, but nobody ever seems to shit on the way his friends compliment him and geek out over her being Asian, which is pretty fucking gross honestly.
@@SchulzEricT She does mention her birthday coming up soon, so she is almost 18, and it's not really much of a real relationship, anyway. The point is, it's an immature relationship because that's where Scott is at at the beginning. Though I do like the way they changed it for the show, it's more of a misunderstood relationship, they never actually spelled out that they were together, Scott's friends just tease that they are, and Knives thinks they are, but Scott doesn't see it that way, since they never actually said they were in a relationship. I think that was a better way to go with it, but 15 years can give you a lot of time to iterate on things.
Ok, but the thing about Scott is that he is an ass, but he *is* actually redeemable. That's the whole schtick. The whole story is about personal growth and becoming a better person. This transpires much more in the comic book, which is... life changing... but you can catch snippets of this theme in the movie as well. Yes, he is an ass. But that doesn't mean he should stay that way. There's also a second aspect to his growth, which is abandoning the "fantasy" world he lives in, in his immaturity, and accepting the real world, and the responsibilities that it entails. A very poignant conversation with Kim from the comics (which sadly didn't make it to the movie) is eye opening in regards of explaining all the flying kicks and fireballs and weird videogame stuff that happens, and also Scott's mentality. Here's hoping for the animated show.
Im pretty sure the video game shenanigans do actually happen in the Scott Pilgrim universe completely unrelated to Scott's childishness, it's just how the comics universe works The conversation with Kim is about his revised memories which are represented in the comics by NegaScott. Whenever he comes close to confronting the real past and his blame and bad doings in it NegaScott appears, and Kim shows him it's not good for him An example would be his being drunk and confronting Natalie which leads to their breakup, or his changing Lisa for Kim in his memory of telling his parents were moving out of town It's lightly connected to Gideon's Glow thing which has the same effect on people The whole conversation wasn't about how Scott had to "Grow Up" it was about how if he kept fighting the past and denying his mistakes he could *never* grow up and how he needed to accept his mistakes to learn from them
Ramona and Scott both had a history of using and dumping others. Really the Romana/Scott relationship parallels the Scott/Knives one... both of them are eventually trying to improve. Really looking forward to upcoming anime...
It’s a video game world they live in and accepted haha. No one likes Scott - all bout himself and grows (I hope ) by the end. Love this film. Loving your reaction and improv search and song writing! So glad i just found your channel and subscribed.
Fun fact many of the actors here have been in other comic book projects, besides this one, here's a list of just a few of Scott Pilgrim's cast actors who have interpreted comic book characters: Chris Evans - Captain America / Johnny Storm, The Human Torch Brandon Routh - Superman / The Atom Brie Larson - Captain Marvel Aubrey Plaza - Lenny Busker Mae Whitman - Barbara Gordon/Batgirl. Mary Elizabeth Winstead - Huntress Michael Cera - Robin, Night Wing Jason Schwartzman - The Spot Thomas Jane - The Punisher (vegan police) Clifton Collins Jr. - Javier O'Hara (vegan police)
I feel like so many reactors don't seem to understand that you're not SUPPOSED to like scott and he's INTENTIONALLY an a**hole? Why do you think every other character shits on him for most of the movie? And why do you think entire third act of this movie about him doing/saying all the things he should've done/said from the beginning? This is like text-book funny(subjective) jerk with a redemption arc writing that flies over so many people's heads.
The thing about the movie is it breaks the rule about needing your protagonist to be someone the audience cheers for. Yes, Scott is a jerk who needs to grow up and start treating people better, especially women. He doesn't become a typical "hero", even by the end of the film. But, after all the growth he goes through in the movie, he *does* reach a point where he's ready to *begin* being a likeable person. And he's not the only one. Knives realizes she needs to grow up and stop stalking her first crush. Sex Bob-Omb's members get their own mini-resolutions right before the final battle. Wallace stops being Scott's crutch, pushing him out of the nest as it were to live on his own (even though it was probably selfishly motivated on his part). And Ramona learned that she doesn't have to keep leaving people when things get hard, that she can try again with someone she cares about. This is a coming of age movie, and it ends with everyone either having come of age or at least in a better position to. The only people who didn't change at all are Aubrey Plaza's character and the Seven Evil Exes.
A lot of Gen Xer / Millenial movies are written like this. Rushmore with our man, Gideon Graves is one. High Fidelity and Grosse Pointe blank both feature a heavily flawed John Cusack. It may be generational. The current generation is very judgmental, just like the Boomers were. Art comes in cycles, though. Perfect, admirable protags who only date people with the exact ages and levels of social power dynamic as themselves will fall out of favor in a decade or two (and counterculture will give us some “throwback” heroes in the meantime).
The editing and attention to detail in this film is insane. The soundtrack isn't just full of Toronto rock bands like Metric (the comic's inspiration for Envy), it was recorded at their home studio for that authentic garage sound.
It's okay to hate Scott, most of his friends constantly tell him he's not a good person "if your life had a face I would punch it" "scandalous" "you should break up with your fake high school girlfriend." My wife referred to him as an "accidental asshole," he has little self awareness and doesn't realize the impact of his actions. It's kind of similar for Ramona as well. This is about him learning to be less of an asshole, so try not to let it colour your view of the movie *too* much, just trust his friends when they say these things. They want Scott to be a better person. I liked your reaction though :)
The comic executed on his redemption really well. He has to actually get a reality check and realize that he's not as nice of a guy as he thinks and that he's hurt a lot of people.
Another super hero in the cast was thomas jane who played punisher in the old punisher movie from the 2000’s, he played one of the vegan police guys And then jason schwartzman voiced the spot in across the spider verse
Yeah the author of the comics hadn't finished the story yet, but that's the direction he thought he would go. But ultimately he realized that's pretty unfair for everyone involved.
It's a fun movie if you think of it as a look back to a different time in cinema. Scott is heavily flawed for a "hero" and it's perfectly natural to be annoyed by him. Thanks for the great reaction!
You're right to not like scott. the movie tells us scott is bad in the end when nega scott, which is supposed to be his opposite, turns out to be "a really nice guy"
While yes, Scott is intentionally unlikable, it's worth considering that he's also deeply depressed and not dealing with it. He's not trying to take advantage of Knives' age, he's with her because he knows it can't go anywhere. Similar with his inaction throughout the film; he's not trying to be an ass, he just isn't motivated to do better. In a typical rom-com, Ramona would be the Manic Pixie Dream Girl that breaks him out of his routine, except that she isn't that great either. She's not a slightly quirky but otherwise perfect girl; she's a young woman with serious baggage of her own. The ending is about accepting that life and love aren't about finding perfection, they're about trying to find someone who you want to support through their dark times and have them around for yours. That's why the end is more of a new start than a happily ever after. This isn't Disney, it's Toronto. Not saying you have to like Scott or the film, just offering a different perspective. Also, really glad you enjoyed the film enough to rate it highly. A lot of people confuse liking the protagonist with liking the film; the fact that you can enjoy the film despite hating Scott is why I watch you.
@@aletanook No, because the age of consent is 16. That means that someone who is 16 or older can consent to having sex with any person who is also over 16. Close-in-age exceptions, like the 5 years one you refer to, apply to people who are UNDER the age of consent. Specifically, someone who is 14 or 15 can consent to sex with someone who less than 5 years older than them, while someone who is 12 or 13 can consent with a partner who is less than 2 years older than them. Not that I'm encouraging anyone that age to have sex, but the exceptions make sense when you consider emotional development ranges. Worth noting that all this only applies when there is no guardianship or other responsibility involved. If the older person is in a position of authority then age of consent is 18. Also, unlike the US, Canada's age of consent is national, it doesn't vary by province.
10/10 Epic indeed The tagline for this film is "An Epic of Epic Epicness" and I couldn't agree more. After waiting in line for 3 hours after last night's Comic-Con and finally being sat in the gorgeous Balboa Theater, I didn't know what to expect. I loved the comics and the previews looked faithful. The moment the movie starts (literally; the Universal logo and theme are 8-bit) you are thrown into a comic book atmosphere with video game references aplenty. The plot revolves around Scott Pilgrim needing to defeat the 7 Evil Exes of Ramona Flowers in order to date her and it is a harrowing sequence of battles. Each fight is crazier than the last and some are used purely for comedy, not excitement. Almost every other line is a punchline and they all work. References to TV shows, video games and comics (just like a 20-something's life would include) are everywhere and if you accept the concept of the plot, it all feels natural. While the audience might've been biased (we held a 10-minute standing ovation for Edgar Wright when the movie finished) there's no denying that it's an excellent film. Edgar Wright has an uncanny sense of comic timing with edits and sound cues to make the picture tight and focused when it's looking for laughs.
A couple more actors playing in superhero movies - Tomas Jane (one of the vegan cops) played The Punisher in the 2004 movie - Jason Schwartzman voices The Spot in "Across the Spider-Verse"
27:43 this movie is probably why as a kid I grew up thinking all adults knew how to fight. Like maybe not the super powers bit, but I thought I was supposed to know how to throw hands or else.
You were naming out all the comic book characters/superheroes for the actors, thought you would be interested in the fact that one of the vegan police was Tom Jane who played Punisher in a movie as well.
Thank you so much, #YasminaReacts, for uploading this awesome movie reaction. I love your content so much because it's absolutely amazing, and I really enjoy watching your reactions to different TV shows and movies.
Scott is a terrible young man who needs to grow up and learn to appreciate the people in his life. But make no mistake, Ramona doesn’t deserve any better than him either. She’s a serial user and abuser of partners until Gideon. Interesting that aside from Matthew Patel and Roxie, we see that the other five are so much better off without her in every way. By the end of the movie, they both have realized how terrible they’ve been and hopefully will go on as less selfish and destructive people. Looking forward to the animated reboot featuring all of the actors returning as voice cast on Netflix in November.
Scott is really meant to be a great character, he is heavily flawed. For a long time this was the best video game movie, despite not being based on a video game.
For me this movie is about relationships and getting over heartbreaks. I have had times where girls would bring up certain aspects of their exes they liked (more) and to be honest I also had similar thoughts. In the beginning of a relationship we all are subconsciously fighting those aspects of those exes in their mind, with the things we do, make breakfast, get nicer presents, be more thoughtful, play better music, have stronger convictions, etc. In if you do the right things for the right reasons you may even end up becoming a new better person. Getting a life is like when you break up or mess something up and then fight to prove that you truly have changed This movie just brought all thought fights in such a creative way, it is my top 10 all time movie and Edgar Wright's best for me.
This is my favorite Edgar Wright (the screenwriter and director) movie outside of his Cornetto Blood and Ice Cream trilogy of films. It's so stylized in its ridiculousness, it's just a baffling joy to watch. It's the rare enjoyable fever dream. And I will note that, no matter what we think someone deserves, it's always up to them to decide what they *want*. Even in the movie universe, everyone seemed to recognize that both Ramona and Knives deserved better than Scott, and yet it's clear at the end of the movie although they both tried to let him go, weirdly they both also still seemed to want to be with him. Knives was ultimately strong enough and wanted enough for Scott to be happy that she succeeded in letting him go, while Ramona clearly didn't actually want to be alone and decided to give a relationship with Scott another chance. Ultimately, there's no accounting for taste. Honestly, I think the movie would have been better ended with both women kicking him to the curb, him being left alone to reflect on his failure and having to become a better person because of it. But then, I didn't write the film. It was fun taking this ride with you. I wish you, as always, a... Good Journey.
Eh, you may be giving Ramona more of a pass than she deserves because she's not the focus character. The story points to her having little to no regards to the people she dates. She “dabbled in being a b@tch” just like Scott (enough that she has seven versions of Kim Pine running around). I think she sees a kindred spirit in Scott. Scott being “kicked to the curb” is how the movie started. In real life relationships, people acknowledge the flaws in each other and work on them like adults, and the movie ends with Ramona and Scott embarking on their first adult relationship.
I have dozens of movies in my top five list, but this one is actually in the top five. I have watched it several times in a row, sometimes analyzing it as if I was a film student, sometimes paying close attention to the acting or writing. Sometimes listening to the commentary tracks. There is a language to film (and TV) that goes beyond the dialog, and when it comes to that language, Edgar Wright is a poet.
I have to laugh how everyone in the film (and every reactor I've seen watch this) comments on how bad it is that Scott is dating Knives at the beginning of the film. When I was in high school probably 50% of the girls were dating guys in college or their mid-twenties and no one thought anything bad of them. Very weird double standard but AWESOME film. Cheers.
One thing always gets me: the rule of thumb for dating someone younger is half your age + 7 and Scott is 22. Knives would be a generally acceptable choice if she were 18, and he breaks up with her as she invites him to her 18th birthday dinner.
@@justmeeagainn Go to Google and type "half your age" and it will *autocomplete* "plus 7." It's THAT common. And it's a quote from someone that died almost 50 years ago, so it's not recent.
I love that they kept Scott unlikable. Makes the story more unique and his eventual character development more interesting. He's a jerk that grows into someone with the potential to eventually become a semi-decent person.
If you rewatch it, you'll notice Scott never does _anything_ unless someone else tells him to first. And he gets a good character arc, going from most likely being Ramona's next evil ex, to having the self motivation to address some of his screwups, and the self awareness to respond to Ramona's "You're the best guy I've dated" with "That's really sad, actually." Agree that for the bulk of the movie he's terrible, but that's kinda the point. I like to think after the end Scott and Ramona have a shot at making it work. They're both damaged people, and have hurt people around them, and both want to make a fresh start.
You wanna checkout the Minions singing the Universal theme tune! 😜 Love this film really like Brie Larsons song great voice. Cant wait for the Anime version! 😜😂😎Lol
34:22 "I just, I can't...think. Yeah, I can't think." 38:36 "I going to go re-think everything about my existence." Well, I don't believe that's going to go well given your admitted deficiency...
I'm amazed no one ever accused it of being a "simp anthem." Ramona does f/all for him, and he risks his life seven times for her just because she's hot.
Simping is giving a woman gifts of services in exchange for the chance at love. Having to overcome obstacles to be with someone isn't simping. Ramona was actively dating him while he was fighting the seven, not holding herself up as a prize for beating them. They live together in the books, lol.
I'm in lesbians with the film. You missed a superhero/villain. Mary Elizabeth Winstead was in Sky High. If you haven't seen it, go see it.... now... go.
Yeah, you're pretty much not supposed to like Scott. The comic makes it even clearer how much he needs to improve as a person. His only saving grace is that he eventually knows it and slowly tries to be better.
Oh, yeah, also this movie is basically (visually) a musical. In those, everything is fine and normal and then a song and dance number happens. Everyone knows the routines. They’re all highly choreographed. All that jazz, this is the first and only action (visual) musical.
That's generally true of all the movies Edgar Wright directs. Even Spaced had quite a bit of complexity, especially as a 24 year old half-hour TV show. (Also, it is really good and not enough people know about it)
This movie has a lot of math in it. Lucas Lee uses doubles and points with 2 fingers. Todd has 3 different letters and throws Scott through 3 walls 3 times. Roxy has 4 letters. Gideon G is the 7th letter. Scott is called a Zero. Zero has no negatives. So Nega Scott is just like him. This is a very deep movie about baggage. Both Scott and Ramona have issues.
Scott is supposed to be the secret villain and so he's supposed to come off as a jerk. Also i love how much she was ripping on the song Scott sang and trashed the lyrics but the truth is that it's a legitimate real song they used
Yasmina: The way he runs... is... everything." If you haven't seen Terminator 2 (1991) then you might want to for the "Run." But see Terminator (1984) first. But do you hate Scott Pilgrim the character as much as Dolores Umbridge?
Part of the reason most people find Scott annoying is that you start his story at the end of the first part of his hero’s journey, the part we’re the hero has lost . When we don’t see his loss , the hero’s next actions come of as rash ,irrational or “annoying “ but that’s only because we haven’t made a connection with him yet so we lack the empathy and want to understand. The second reason is half through the story Scott starts feel annoyed and frustrated that he has to fight for his life everyday , and we as the audience internalise his frustration and reads it as being whinny but who wouldn’t get annoyed after being punched in the face everyday by different people for a girl you just met
I never felt that much about hating Scott. Sure he does redeem himself in the end its just Michael Cera and i loved all his funny moments and seeing how he makes the character work so well. Its like with one of my friends she hates Patrick Star because he's self centered stupid and always a problem. But I love how stupid he is. Its his voice and relatable dumb moments.
Such deep thinkers in the comments section. I just thought it was a goofy video game rip off movie with Beck music, and Scott ends up with the wrong girl at the end.
You didn't understand the message of the movie. Of course Scott was a horrible person but not only him. Ramona played with a lot of guys and even Knives used young Neil. But that's exactly why it's a great movie. They are all horrible and have their character arc to mature. In the comic it is even better captured with the fact that when talking about their past, everyone remembers things in their own way and does not admit their mistakes. And that is what the film teaches, that one must accept their mistakes and move on.
I had a lot of problems with this movie the first time, because I thought Scott was a complete putz and the movie seemed incredibly juvenile around a petulant male attitude. I also bristle at the whole Flowers dating a girl as an 'experimental phase.' mutter. After the first time, though, I've been able to focus more on what a brilliantly designed and realized movie this is.
My favorite joke in the movie is probably that Scott is such a terrible person that Negascott is "actually a really nice guy".
Probably one of the most creative and underrated films of the last twenty years, it’s a perfect film and a modern classic
That’s what we call a story arc. We’re never supposed to like Scott until his redemption. People that hate Scott and don’t get that he’s unlikeable by intention, usually doth protest too much. You have to give into the universe and accept it or reject it. So many people reject it. It’s not a bad thing, you have to just release your suspension of disbelief. It’s a different universe. Nothing deeper
I love seeing how people in different stages of life react to Scott. I'm an old ass man now so I mostly just look back on all the awkward, thoughtless things people do in relationships in their early 20s as nostalgic. I remember when I first read the story I thought Scott and Ramona kind of sucked. It took a few years to make me realize that we all hurt people in the search for love, intentionally or not, and the only blameless people are those who have never dated.
I love Scott's character doesn't bother me and the most instances in the age of consent in 16
I thinks it’s funny that no reactors have a problem with Alicia Silverstone and Paul Rudd in ‘Clueless’ (she’s in high school and he is apparently a college student), but freak out about Scott. He’s a loser… and his life is pretty much a total joke, a fact that reactors just can’t comprehend.
Scott was a jerk, so Nega-Scott was a really nice guy :D
Nega-Scott should've been the main character
@@yasminareacts true, he's got lovely eyes
Actually, I think the idea is that Scott didn't respect himself until near the end of the movie, so that's probably the real message there and why he gets along with Nega-Scott. Still, Nega-Scott being the good one does also make sense.
@Soulsphere001 never actually thought of it that way and it makes more sense for sure!
The league of evil X's was basicly the image Ramona had from her X's ... As she said, Scott was "the nicest guy she ever dated".
Nega-Scott has that image.
Also the brie Larson version of black sheep is a jam
Scott Pilgrim vs the World is like one of my favourite summer movies of 2010 and up to this day thirteen years later, it’s still my favourite. Fun fact, the whole movie is filmed in Toronto, which is the city that I live in since I was born there.
The "Vegan Police" were also linked to superheroes. Thomas Jane played the Punisher. Clifton Collin wasn't a superhero I believe, but he was in the 90's "The Flash" television show.
Not every 22 year old is a great, mature person, Scott needed to grow up, everyone does, and we all go at our own pace. Great reaction!
A little background: Aubrey Plaza's Julie is secretly in love with Scott.
Scott dates a high schooler because he really hasnt grown up yet, and you're not supposed to like him the majority of the movie, but he does finally learn in the end and becomes a better person from it, which is why nega scott isnt bad, because he already faced those demons.
He dates a high schooler because Envy fucked him up and he wasn't ready for a real, mature relationship; he chose something light and shallow.
Sure, they chose to make her 17 instead of, say, 18, but nobody ever seems to shit on the way his friends compliment him and geek out over her being Asian, which is pretty fucking gross honestly.
@@SchulzEricT She does mention her birthday coming up soon, so she is almost 18, and it's not really much of a real relationship, anyway. The point is, it's an immature relationship because that's where Scott is at at the beginning. Though I do like the way they changed it for the show, it's more of a misunderstood relationship, they never actually spelled out that they were together, Scott's friends just tease that they are, and Knives thinks they are, but Scott doesn't see it that way, since they never actually said they were in a relationship. I think that was a better way to go with it, but 15 years can give you a lot of time to iterate on things.
Ok, but the thing about Scott is that he is an ass, but he *is* actually redeemable.
That's the whole schtick.
The whole story is about personal growth and becoming a better person.
This transpires much more in the comic book, which is... life changing... but you can catch snippets of this theme in the movie as well.
Yes, he is an ass. But that doesn't mean he should stay that way.
There's also a second aspect to his growth, which is abandoning the "fantasy" world he lives in, in his immaturity, and accepting the real world, and the responsibilities that it entails.
A very poignant conversation with Kim from the comics (which sadly didn't make it to the movie) is eye opening in regards of explaining all the flying kicks and fireballs and weird videogame stuff that happens, and also Scott's mentality.
Here's hoping for the animated show.
Im pretty sure the video game shenanigans do actually happen in the Scott Pilgrim universe completely unrelated to Scott's childishness, it's just how the comics universe works
The conversation with Kim is about his revised memories which are represented in the comics by NegaScott. Whenever he comes close to confronting the real past and his blame and bad doings in it NegaScott appears, and Kim shows him it's not good for him
An example would be his being drunk and confronting Natalie which leads to their breakup, or his changing Lisa for Kim in his memory of telling his parents were moving out of town
It's lightly connected to Gideon's Glow thing which has the same effect on people
The whole conversation wasn't about how Scott had to "Grow Up" it was about how if he kept fighting the past and denying his mistakes he could *never* grow up and how he needed to accept his mistakes to learn from them
Ramona and Scott both had a history of using and dumping others. Really the Romana/Scott relationship parallels the Scott/Knives one... both of them are eventually trying to improve.
Really looking forward to upcoming anime...
It’s a video game world they live in and accepted haha. No one likes Scott - all bout himself and grows (I hope ) by the end. Love this film. Loving your reaction and improv search and song writing! So glad i just found your channel and subscribed.
Fun fact many of the actors here have been in other comic book projects, besides this one, here's a list of just a few of Scott Pilgrim's cast actors who have interpreted comic book characters:
Chris Evans - Captain America / Johnny Storm, The Human Torch
Brandon Routh - Superman / The Atom
Brie Larson - Captain Marvel
Aubrey Plaza - Lenny Busker
Mae Whitman - Barbara Gordon/Batgirl.
Mary Elizabeth Winstead - Huntress
Michael Cera - Robin, Night Wing
Jason Schwartzman - The Spot
Thomas Jane - The Punisher (vegan police)
Clifton Collins Jr. - Javier O'Hara (vegan police)
I feel like so many reactors don't seem to understand that you're not SUPPOSED to like scott and he's INTENTIONALLY an a**hole? Why do you think every other character shits on him for most of the movie? And why do you think entire third act of this movie about him doing/saying all the things he should've done/said from the beginning? This is like text-book funny(subjective) jerk with a redemption arc writing that flies over so many people's heads.
This movie is a whole vibe tho. Have the whole soundtrack saved because it's just awesome
Threshold & Black Sheep have been living in my head rent-free the last couple weeks now
@@yasminareacts I fully understand
The thing about the movie is it breaks the rule about needing your protagonist to be someone the audience cheers for. Yes, Scott is a jerk who needs to grow up and start treating people better, especially women. He doesn't become a typical "hero", even by the end of the film. But, after all the growth he goes through in the movie, he *does* reach a point where he's ready to *begin* being a likeable person. And he's not the only one. Knives realizes she needs to grow up and stop stalking her first crush. Sex Bob-Omb's members get their own mini-resolutions right before the final battle. Wallace stops being Scott's crutch, pushing him out of the nest as it were to live on his own (even though it was probably selfishly motivated on his part). And Ramona learned that she doesn't have to keep leaving people when things get hard, that she can try again with someone she cares about. This is a coming of age movie, and it ends with everyone either having come of age or at least in a better position to. The only people who didn't change at all are Aubrey Plaza's character and the Seven Evil Exes.
A lot of Gen Xer / Millenial movies are written like this. Rushmore with our man, Gideon Graves is one. High Fidelity and Grosse Pointe blank both feature a heavily flawed John Cusack. It may be generational. The current generation is very judgmental, just like the Boomers were. Art comes in cycles, though. Perfect, admirable protags who only date people with the exact ages and levels of social power dynamic as themselves will fall out of favor in a decade or two (and counterculture will give us some “throwback” heroes in the meantime).
The editing and attention to detail in this film is insane. The soundtrack isn't just full of Toronto rock bands like Metric (the comic's inspiration for Envy), it was recorded at their home studio for that authentic garage sound.
And the song Ramona is actually a genius song written by "Beck"
It's okay to hate Scott, most of his friends constantly tell him he's not a good person "if your life had a face I would punch it" "scandalous" "you should break up with your fake high school girlfriend." My wife referred to him as an "accidental asshole," he has little self awareness and doesn't realize the impact of his actions. It's kind of similar for Ramona as well. This is about him learning to be less of an asshole, so try not to let it colour your view of the movie *too* much, just trust his friends when they say these things. They want Scott to be a better person. I liked your reaction though :)
The comic executed on his redemption really well. He has to actually get a reality check and realize that he's not as nice of a guy as he thinks and that he's hurt a lot of people.
One of the Vegan Police was The Punisher, but this was after your listing
Another super hero in the cast was thomas jane who played punisher in the old punisher movie from the 2000’s, he played one of the vegan police guys
And then jason schwartzman voiced the spot in across the spider verse
Your reactions are so much fun
There was an alternate ending shot where Scott ends up with Knives instead, but test audiences found this ending to be a lot better.
Yeah the author of the comics hadn't finished the story yet, but that's the direction he thought he would go. But ultimately he realized that's pretty unfair for everyone involved.
It's a fun movie if you think of it as a look back to a different time in cinema. Scott is heavily flawed for a "hero" and it's perfectly natural to be annoyed by him. Thanks for the great reaction!
Scott is an antihero, of course he's very flawed.
You're right to not like scott. the movie tells us scott is bad in the end when nega scott, which is supposed to be his opposite, turns out to be "a really nice guy"
The movie also tells us Scott is bad in the very beginning when it says "Scott Pilgrim is dating a high schooler."
They get along.
Like, he's a flawed character who grows over the course of the story. Like... how stories work.
While yes, Scott is intentionally unlikable, it's worth considering that he's also deeply depressed and not dealing with it. He's not trying to take advantage of Knives' age, he's with her because he knows it can't go anywhere. Similar with his inaction throughout the film; he's not trying to be an ass, he just isn't motivated to do better.
In a typical rom-com, Ramona would be the Manic Pixie Dream Girl that breaks him out of his routine, except that she isn't that great either. She's not a slightly quirky but otherwise perfect girl; she's a young woman with serious baggage of her own.
The ending is about accepting that life and love aren't about finding perfection, they're about trying to find someone who you want to support through their dark times and have them around for yours. That's why the end is more of a new start than a happily ever after. This isn't Disney, it's Toronto.
Not saying you have to like Scott or the film, just offering a different perspective.
Also, really glad you enjoyed the film enough to rate it highly. A lot of people confuse liking the protagonist with liking the film; the fact that you can enjoy the film despite hating Scott is why I watch you.
Isn't it still illegal for him to date a minor 5 years younger than him?
@@aletanook No, because the age of consent is 16. That means that someone who is 16 or older can consent to having sex with any person who is also over 16. Close-in-age exceptions, like the 5 years one you refer to, apply to people who are UNDER the age of consent.
Specifically, someone who is 14 or 15 can consent to sex with someone who less than 5 years older than them, while someone who is 12 or 13 can consent with a partner who is less than 2 years older than them. Not that I'm encouraging anyone that age to have sex, but the exceptions make sense when you consider emotional development ranges.
Worth noting that all this only applies when there is no guardianship or other responsibility involved. If the older person is in a position of authority then age of consent is 18. Also, unlike the US, Canada's age of consent is national, it doesn't vary by province.
@@cmlemmus494 Then why do people freak out when a 30 year old grooms a 16-17 year old minor?
Because the people who freak out live in a place where the age of consent is 18.@@aletanook
10/10
Epic indeed
The tagline for this film is "An Epic of Epic Epicness" and I couldn't agree more. After waiting in line for 3 hours after last night's Comic-Con and finally being sat in the gorgeous Balboa Theater, I didn't know what to expect. I loved the comics and the previews looked faithful. The moment the movie starts (literally; the Universal logo and theme are 8-bit) you are thrown into a comic book atmosphere with video game references aplenty.
The plot revolves around Scott Pilgrim needing to defeat the 7 Evil Exes of Ramona Flowers in order to date her and it is a harrowing sequence of battles. Each fight is crazier than the last and some are used purely for comedy, not excitement. Almost every other line is a punchline and they all work. References to TV shows, video games and comics (just like a 20-something's life would include) are everywhere and if you accept the concept of the plot, it all feels natural.
While the audience might've been biased (we held a 10-minute standing ovation for Edgar Wright when the movie finished) there's no denying that it's an excellent film. Edgar Wright has an uncanny sense of comic timing with edits and sound cues to make the picture tight and focused when it's looking for laughs.
A couple more actors playing in superhero movies
- Tomas Jane (one of the vegan cops) played The Punisher in the 2004 movie
- Jason Schwartzman voices The Spot in "Across the Spider-Verse"
27:43 this movie is probably why as a kid I grew up thinking all adults knew how to fight. Like maybe not the super powers bit, but I thought I was supposed to know how to throw hands or else.
"Captain America" ...shows Human Torch 😁😂
Fun fact. Michael Cera actually knows how to play bass, and Brandon Routh does not.
Absolutely love the editing cuts
You were naming out all the comic book characters/superheroes for the actors, thought you would be interested in the fact that one of the vegan police was Tom Jane who played Punisher in a movie as well.
One of my favorite movies, can't wait for the animation.
22:50 the bi fast and the bi furious coming to a theater near you 😂
This movie will always hold up
I love the editing on this reaction.
Thank you! This was definitely one of my favorite videos to edit
Thank you so much, #YasminaReacts, for uploading this awesome movie reaction. I love your content so much because it's absolutely amazing, and I really enjoy watching your reactions to different TV shows and movies.
fun fact: this is an accurate representation of Canadian life. I guess maple syrup give us good combat skills
Great movie, something with a different pace. Also greatest written / unwritten song. Ramonaaaaa 🎶 on my mind 🎶
Mary Elizabeth Winstead was Royal Pain in "Sky High".
Scott is a terrible young man who needs to grow up and learn to appreciate the people in his life. But make no mistake, Ramona doesn’t deserve any better than him either. She’s a serial user and abuser of partners until Gideon. Interesting that aside from Matthew Patel and Roxie, we see that the other five are so much better off without her in every way.
By the end of the movie, they both have realized how terrible they’ve been and hopefully will go on as less selfish and destructive people.
Looking forward to the animated reboot featuring all of the actors returning as voice cast on Netflix in November.
Hi Yasmina I love you reaction to this movie I love this movie !!! Have a great weekend also it's my birthday🥳
Scott is really meant to be a great character, he is heavily flawed. For a long time this was the best video game movie, despite not being based on a video game.
For me this movie is about relationships and getting over heartbreaks.
I have had times where girls would bring up certain aspects of their exes they liked (more) and to be honest I also had similar thoughts.
In the beginning of a relationship we all are subconsciously fighting those aspects of those exes in their mind, with the things we do, make breakfast, get nicer presents, be more thoughtful, play better music, have stronger convictions, etc. In if you do the right things for the right reasons you may even end up becoming a new better person. Getting a life is like when you break up or mess something up and then fight to prove that you truly have changed
This movie just brought all thought fights in such a creative way, it is my top 10 all time movie and Edgar Wright's best for me.
22:37 She makes up for it with the awesome BF line.
This is my favorite Edgar Wright (the screenwriter and director) movie outside of his Cornetto Blood and Ice Cream trilogy of films. It's so stylized in its ridiculousness, it's just a baffling joy to watch.
It's the rare enjoyable fever dream.
And I will note that, no matter what we think someone deserves, it's always up to them to decide what they *want*. Even in the movie universe, everyone seemed to recognize that both Ramona and Knives deserved better than Scott, and yet it's clear at the end of the movie although they both tried to let him go, weirdly they both also still seemed to want to be with him. Knives was ultimately strong enough and wanted enough for Scott to be happy that she succeeded in letting him go, while Ramona clearly didn't actually want to be alone and decided to give a relationship with Scott another chance.
Ultimately, there's no accounting for taste. Honestly, I think the movie would have been better ended with both women kicking him to the curb, him being left alone to reflect on his failure and having to become a better person because of it.
But then, I didn't write the film.
It was fun taking this ride with you. I wish you, as always, a...
Good Journey.
Eh, you may be giving Ramona more of a pass than she deserves because she's not the focus character. The story points to her having little to no regards to the people she dates. She “dabbled in being a b@tch” just like Scott (enough that she has seven versions of Kim Pine running around). I think she sees a kindred spirit in Scott. Scott being “kicked to the curb” is how the movie started. In real life relationships, people acknowledge the flaws in each other and work on them like adults, and the movie ends with Ramona and Scott embarking on their first adult relationship.
It’s so funny that she was so upset about this song yet that’s a real song
That really was just the beginning
All the songs in the movies are all actual songs by Canadian artists. All of Scott's band plays I believe are by Beck. Including the Ramona song.
Legion was such an interesting show.
Scott is the least likable character in his own movie and Knives is the best.
It's probably just me, but I put Wallace in the "best" category as well. He's pure chaos, but doesn't pretend to be otherwise.
@@RickLeMonNot just you, I love Wallace. But most of that is down to Kieran Culkin's charm.
I have dozens of movies in my top five list, but this one is actually in the top five. I have watched it several times in a row, sometimes analyzing it as if I was a film student, sometimes paying close attention to the acting or writing. Sometimes listening to the commentary tracks. There is a language to film (and TV) that goes beyond the dialog, and when it comes to that language, Edgar Wright is a poet.
The fact that Nega-Scott is actually a really nice guy tells you all you need to know about Scott.
I have to laugh how everyone in the film (and every reactor I've seen watch this) comments on how bad it is that Scott is dating Knives at the beginning of the film. When I was in high school probably 50% of the girls were dating guys in college or their mid-twenties and no one thought anything bad of them. Very weird double standard but AWESOME film. Cheers.
One thing always gets me: the rule of thumb for dating someone younger is half your age + 7 and Scott is 22. Knives would be a generally acceptable choice if she were 18, and he breaks up with her as she invites him to her 18th birthday dinner.
Lol. Interesting "rule". Where exactly is that written down?
@@justmeeagainn Go to Google and type "half your age" and it will *autocomplete* "plus 7." It's THAT common. And it's a quote from someone that died almost 50 years ago, so it's not recent.
That necklace is so cute where did you get it?
Hot Topic!
I read that in Regina George's voice omg
I love that they kept Scott unlikable. Makes the story more unique and his eventual character development more interesting. He's a jerk that grows into someone with the potential to eventually become a semi-decent person.
If you rewatch it, you'll notice Scott never does _anything_ unless someone else tells him to first. And he gets a good character arc, going from most likely being Ramona's next evil ex, to having the self motivation to address some of his screwups, and the self awareness to respond to Ramona's "You're the best guy I've dated" with "That's really sad, actually." Agree that for the bulk of the movie he's terrible, but that's kinda the point.
I like to think after the end Scott and Ramona have a shot at making it work. They're both damaged people, and have hurt people around them, and both want to make a fresh start.
You wanna checkout the Minions singing the Universal theme tune! 😜
Love this film really like Brie Larsons song great voice.
Cant wait for the Anime version! 😜😂😎Lol
This movie is highly rewatchable. It may be my favorite Edgar Wright film - though Hot Fuzz might be #1 on some days. The cast is so amazing.
34:22 "I just, I can't...think. Yeah, I can't think."
38:36 "I going to go re-think everything about my existence."
Well, I don't believe that's going to go well given your admitted deficiency...
I'm amazed no one ever accused it of being a "simp anthem." Ramona does f/all for him, and he risks his life seven times for her just because she's hot.
Simping is giving a woman gifts of services in exchange for the chance at love. Having to overcome obstacles to be with someone isn't simping. Ramona was actively dating him while he was fighting the seven, not holding herself up as a prize for beating them. They live together in the books, lol.
It took me a while to realise that this is a hipster movie, and follows hipster logic. Once I understood that, everything fell into place.
I think the comics definitely did Scott's redemption better.
Not to mention the 6 books have a much longer and better character arc for everyone so yea, the anime hype is real
15:22 Since when have you been psychic? That’s actually hilarious!
😂 You predicted so many lines, I think the movie was reacting to YOU.
Knives needs a spin off series. She's too cool to be in Scott's show.
You should definitely watch Legion its great and trippy like Mr Robot
I'm in lesbians with the film.
You missed a superhero/villain. Mary Elizabeth Winstead was in Sky High. If you haven't seen it, go see it.... now... go.
Yeah, you're pretty much not supposed to like Scott. The comic makes it even clearer how much he needs to improve as a person. His only saving grace is that he eventually knows it and slowly tries to be better.
You need to watch Legion for Audrey Plaza's character.
Oh, yeah, also this movie is basically (visually) a musical. In those, everything is fine and normal and then a song and dance number happens. Everyone knows the routines. They’re all highly choreographed. All that jazz, this is the first and only action (visual) musical.
Ramona was a major crush
Also the Evil Exes respawn
You had the right reaction for this film.
Harley Quinn?
No that was Katara.
So for the movie, the creator wanted to change the end and have scott end up with knives
finally found a movie reactor who isn't annoying 😭
This is a like a musical. Except fighting replaced musical numbers.
Just the thought of editing this film gives me panic attacks😬
That's generally true of all the movies Edgar Wright directs. Even Spaced had quite a bit of complexity, especially as a 24 year old half-hour TV show. (Also, it is really good and not enough people know about it)
ah yes, my favourite movie, transitions are mental
Legion is one of the best superhero shows ever. It is trippy and will play with your mind
This movie has a lot of math in it. Lucas Lee uses doubles and points with 2 fingers. Todd has 3 different letters and throws Scott through 3 walls 3 times. Roxy has 4 letters. Gideon G is the 7th letter. Scott is called a Zero. Zero has no negatives. So Nega Scott is just like him. This is a very deep movie about baggage. Both Scott and Ramona have issues.
Nice reaction ! You should reaction to the new anime. If you disliked Scott, I think you'll love the new show.
Wow I literally just watched the movie fir the first time too today what a AMAZING movie ❤❤❤❤❤
Spot light
Scott is supposed to be the secret villain and so he's supposed to come off as a jerk. Also i love how much she was ripping on the song Scott sang and trashed the lyrics but the truth is that it's a legitimate real song they used
Yasmina: The way he runs... is... everything." If you haven't seen Terminator 2 (1991) then you might want to for the "Run." But see Terminator (1984) first.
But do you hate Scott Pilgrim the character as much as Dolores Umbridge?
Growing up is realizing that Scott is not a good person. Maturing is seeing how you weren't much better at that age.
I am in lesbians with this reaction video.
Part of the reason most people find Scott annoying is that you start his story at the end of the first part of his hero’s journey, the part we’re the hero has lost . When we don’t see his loss , the hero’s next actions come of as rash ,irrational or “annoying “ but that’s only because we haven’t made a connection with him yet so we lack the empathy and want to understand.
The second reason is half through the story Scott starts feel annoyed and frustrated that he has to fight for his life everyday , and we as the audience internalise his frustration and reads it as being whinny but who wouldn’t get annoyed after being punched in the face everyday by different people for a girl you just met
I never felt that much about hating Scott. Sure he does redeem himself in the end its just Michael Cera and i loved all his funny moments and seeing how he makes the character work so well.
Its like with one of my friends she hates Patrick Star because he's self centered stupid and always a problem. But I love how stupid he is. Its his voice and relatable dumb moments.
Such deep thinkers in the comments section. I just thought it was a goofy video game rip off movie with Beck music, and Scott ends up with the wrong girl at the end.
Speaking of fever dreams, Legion is also pretty great.
unusual movie, isn't it? there's a lot more to it than the crazy fight scenes suggest.
You didn't understand the message of the movie. Of course Scott was a horrible person but not only him. Ramona played with a lot of guys and even Knives used young Neil. But that's exactly why it's a great movie. They are all horrible and have their character arc to mature. In the comic it is even better captured with the fact that when talking about their past, everyone remembers things in their own way and does not admit their mistakes. And that is what the film teaches, that one must accept their mistakes and move on.
I had a lot of problems with this movie the first time, because I thought Scott was a complete putz and the movie seemed incredibly juvenile around a petulant male attitude. I also bristle at the whole Flowers dating a girl as an 'experimental phase.' mutter.
After the first time, though, I've been able to focus more on what a brilliantly designed and realized movie this is.
i like your reaction and edit, i hope you branch out of the super hero genre tho...
wdym? I’ve reacted to a lot of shows & movies outside the superhero genre