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im muslim and i was extremely terrified when i was playing on an emulator and the theme played.. felt like the biggest 4th wall break i had ever experienced
That’s crazy, I can’t even imagine suddenly hearing a new song that was saying something personal to you in an old game. It sounds like the set up to a creepy pasta 😅
I had the original version on the N64 too, and I was really confused because I also have the Gamecube version that comes with Masters Quest, and the song was different and I was like "where'd the cool chanting go?"
I literally relate to this. My cartridge was handed to me when I was six so I didn't know about an alternate version of the song until literally like 2 months ago. I also have the red blood in mine. I have mine on display right now
I played the chanting version first, but it may have been on a borrowed copy. It was a long time ago and I can't remember. I let my sister keep the N64 and Zelda games when I moved out, because I had other versions, but I'm not sure whether that copy of OoT has the chanting. It's a grey cartridge, so possibly not. Not sure whether any of the first few runs were grey.
So I actually borrowed my friends version of OoT waaay back when and was kinda surprised to hear this. As a Muslim kid, I kinda thought it was like these people were praying for Link's safety. But my mother was kinda confused when I showed it to her and thought it looked more like a hell, which would definitely be seen as insulting. That being said, I still think of this version everytime I remember playing through OoT and I still loved that game growing up.
I can kinda see how muslims would find it insulting to hear one of their prayers used in a fire Temple that kinda looks like hell 😅 It is a shame though, because those prayers are really what made it so damn good.
@@wilhelmdietz4023sorry but our prayers ain't some accessory. Unlike some people of other religions, we don't like any perversion or disrespect to ours.
They should have brought in a vocalist to just sing the melody without actual lyrics. I’ve always known the original version. I just can’t picture it any other way
I still have the version of the game with the "banned" theme, and I've always thought it was beautiful. Ominous, but also conveying a sense of strength and power. Fits the religious theme of a temple, the Gorons, and fire itself.
Sadly, I no longer have my old N64 games, and I don't remember the music either, but I think mine had the theme because I remember my copy having the crescent moon on the mirror shield.
When I was a kid I always thought that the original version was Ganon trying to summon the dragon or the Gorons chanting for help. Either way, it left an uneasy feeling and I loved it.
I was 15 when I first played OoT, and I was too scared to play the Bottom of the Well or the Shadow Temple without my sister present. Can't imagine the nightmares I would've got if I'd been a kid. ^^'
@@muraalia My first experience for Majoras Mask was when my dad was playing it back in 2000 and i sat and watched him. The earliest image i can remember of the game is changing masks with that eye-widened scream. It terrified me.
I have to admit that between what was said in this video and another commenter's reference to the song "Let's Not Talk About It" it seems like Koji Kondo was a more unoriginal composer than I grew up believing.
its more scary then comforting because when u hear something familiar to u with a scary ambience behind it it becomes insanely scary because it feels like a kind of 4th wall thing
@@ggarfieldd1741 well I felt like it is comforting, cuz i basically grew up in an Arab country and its something familiar to me, sometimes I hear it in the middle of the night and it helps me sleep better 😅
Funny how Nintendo "forgot" about their own rule about religion when in the previous game, A Link to the Past, the religion of Hyrule was going to be Christianity (though granted this was on display in the previous two games as well, as Link's shield in LoZ has a cross and some buildings in Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link have crosses on them). There's even concept art of Link kneeling before a crucifix. In fact, Link even does the "Sign of the Cross" during certain events in ALttP.
@@morganearp2265 Well I guess that all depends on how it's depicted, but I guess that's obvious. Funny enough I assumed LoZ was Christian anyway because I saw the Triforce as a representation of the Holy Trinity (though I guess it was representative of a "trinity", just not the one I expected).
@Taiga's Tunes yes and no, Christian's rally against things they dont like. Not so much against chritizim or representations of their beliefs. That position is well documented to be held by another religion.
MX How exactly is the original Fire Temple theme supposed to do that? Most non muslims who grew up with it had no idea the choir was reciting a muslim prayer. That and the theme isn’t anti muslim either way. Many don’t even have a problem with it. I MUCH prefer the original theme since it creates the perfect atmosphere for a volcanic level and (from a music theory perspective) the microtonal nature of the chants creates much more distinct sound than the discount shadow temple theme of all later versions
I was to i played the original for 10 to11 years be for getting the GameCube port. i was 6 when i first got ocarina of time back in 98 so it was defiantly a shock to me.
@@lahoku i feel like christian concepts are so commonplace that most people dont think of them as religious. i didn't know christmas was a Christian holiday (technically its pagan but) until i was like 12
They kinda went back on the "no religious references" rule in Skyward Sword with the Ancient Cistern being heavily inspired by Buddhist religion, if I recall correctly...
It's inspired by for sure. The difference between the Ancient Cistern and the religious things in OOT is that they were direct references. The chanting is an actual Muslim chant and the symbol on the blocks and Mirror Shield are the actual Muslim symbols.
@@paradygmshift7826 I like the concept of the chanting, but I feel actual Muslim chants shouldn't be in Hyrule for two reasons: first, Hyrule is a separate world to ours, so it would break immersion for me. Secondly, if I were more religious, finding an aspect of my religion being used as such in a game might seem... disrespectful? Especially as they're mostly used for spooky/exotic atmosphere rather than as a part of the worldbuilding (like the Shinto references in BoTW, for example.)
That was over a decade later. Nintendo's no religion rule came mainly from the mindset at the time that videogames were a new, weird thing that existed mainly as a kind of children's toy, so nintendo felt like they needed to avoid anything that could cause controversy. By 2011 video games were a lot more mainstream so still being adamant about removing religious references didn't make as much sense.
Awesome spot on video. I must inform you, and those who think that the replaced vocals came from the Shadow Temple, are only partially correct; It's not that Koji Kondo re-used the shadow temple composition/song, he reused the digital midi instrument patch. As in, I bet his thought process was "If I have to remove the vocal sample, I have to substitute it with other vocals. Therefor I should just write something and play it with digital vocal patch since I've been using that a lot anyways and it's been very useful." Other compositions from that era of his work feature the exact same vocal midi instrument sound. So, rather than "taking from" the shadow temple, he really just fell back on his trusty tools at hand, and we the players are very familiar with this one. Vocals make the song sound less square. It's too bad the chant is controversial, but good on him and the team for acting pretty well on their changes.
The chanting in the original really lends itself to the temple. I wish they kept some form of chanting in the second version, but I can understand if Koji Kondo didn't have a lot of time to write a new piece and find a sound that wouldn't violate Nintendo's rules.
BRUH I thought that was some sort of mandala effect! I have an orginal cartridge given to me by my uncle a long time ago. My younger cousin had a 1.2 version. We played it together when I came back to my home state. When we got the mirror shield I told him it looks off and that the music wasnt like what it was for me. He came up with that I was either a liar, or my cartiadge was "personalized" liked the bs theory about super mario 64. Now it makes sense why yt had two different songs for the temple and not just being different rooms in the temple.
The real mandela effect is that you and Zak remember the change in symbols for 1.2. I played 1.2 as a kid and I remember the changed version of the song, but also the crescent moon symbol. There are dome sites that state the symbol change was made for the gamecube port.
@@EvanSawyer4 The symbol change WAS made with the GameCube rerelease. 1.2 had the original Moon + Star. How do I know? I distinctly remember the changed Fire Temple music and remember absolutely losing my mind when I was playing someone's copy of Master Quest and the push blocks in Deku Tree were changed. I was like, "What is this insanity? Why did they change this?" I literally just stopped playing for a minute to talk about it.
I'm so blessed to have the 1.0 version of the game. That version has ISG (infinite sword glitch, sword is always active and a bunch of weird stuff can happen). All of the original songs are so memorable.
I still have the original one, i never really thought there were other versions. The fire temple just hits different with the chanting, it really gives it its unique fire temple feel of impending danger and a dragon lurking in the temple.
I actually enjoyed the original more than I do the remake, the remake just feels out of place and weird while the OG song made me feel like I had to beat the dungeon quickly to save the gorons bc I always took the chants as them actually crying out for help at what was gonna happen
I think you made an excellent case for the religious side of things here. For years I thought "Kondo-san is Japanese, he was probably just looking for some slightly unnerving samples." But you had a great example for it actually being the Gorons praying while in captivity and having a leader among them rise their voice above the rest by using real world explanations.
i wasn’t even born when this game came out and i even played the 3ds version of this game my first go around, and i can still say i prefer the original, the second version is too similar to shadow temples music for my taste
I didn’t know either, I actually thought the chanting version was the only one, I was so confused when my friend showed me. weirdly enough, my cartridge has the chants but also the green blood instead of the red
samesies. And I was 9? when I played this game and that didn't bother me at all. I couldn't even remember that detail until it was pointed out because I was so into the battle itself, and the story. I do remember, however, being creeped out by the shadow temple but frankly, that was its entire purpose so kudos to the game makers. they did a good job.
For some reason the higher "ethereal" sound reminded me of how you see heat waves irl coming off of hot asphalt or sand. Like it was the audio recreation of that visual.
When I was a kid, I had the mirror shield with the original symbol on it, but had the new fire temple music. A friend of mine had the fire temple with the original song. It’s so cool! What an interesting video.
Not gonna lie, the original is one of my favorite tracks. I would go sit in the Fire Temple when I wasn’t playing to just listen to that track on repeat.
I think the pivot came from the concept that the Gorons were being sacrificed to Volvagia. When they lost the thematic concept of the Gorons chanting or praying for deliverance, they went with a focus on the sacrifice aspect, which unfortunately kind of treads the same ground that the Shadow Temple’s theme makes unique.
Funny how they removed the chanting because it violates their rule about referencing real-world religions, but the Temple of Time had Gregorian chanting and blatant Christian cathedral architecture and that wasn't a problem for them at all.
That's so crazy! I definitely grew up playing the 1.0 version. There was chants in the fire temple, blood in the shadow temple, and ganondorf puked blood instead of green stuff at the end. 😂
Note for the curious, since I didn't see this explained any further ca. 0:50 - "Think (About It)" by Lyn Collins is The Original Source™ of the "Yeah! WHOO!" vocals in Street Fighter III and "It Takes Two."
It's so weird to me to find out so many people who didn't know about the two versions of the song lol I just though everyone knew about it, not that thats wrong or they are less fans of course, just a feeling I got.
Awesome video, again!!! I have all three versions of the game. Whenever I replay OoT (which is once a year because it is my favorite game of all time), I always go with the original cartridge because of the chanting in the Fire Temple and the blood at the end.
Thanks again! Yeah I had no clue about all the version differences before I started doing the research for this video. It was really cool to see how they changed the game over time. 😅
@@The-Loon-belt-Extravaganza Yeah, you'd need to play the first version of the original cartridge to see that, or a ROM of the first version of the cartridge on an emulator... It is quite satisfying because you can definitely see and enjoy the difference when you play the game.
It feels weird without it after being so use to it. I play oot over and over as a kid so I am so use to the original. It legitimately creeped me out as a kid. I felt like there was something watching me and I imagined these robed figures hiding in somewhere watching me and angry I'm daring to invade the temple. Child logic is a hell of a thing. Edit: I can't spell.
I wish they kept the Muslim verses as a Muslim myself I love it. However, I can see why some were offended. Since tehy were looking for "SPOOKY" sounds and that kinda hurts when your faith that brings you peace is spooky to others lol. Back then in Japan they weren't really well knowing of Islam also. But still very cool that there was a "Muslim" temple in Zelda lol feels good to be repped in some way
I believe hes got a point with the thought of the gorons praying to be saved from this dragon as a desperate plee for help so i think slightly different mix or making it distorted later in the track (drowned out by dragon sounds) might of helped the concept. However, not my religion so my opinion is worth but a grain of salt.
This was related to the fire temple mission. As a Muslim, I find this gesture insulting, because it relates something of holy importance to fire worshippers. No Muslim should find this a cool thing to see....
@@Pyrox0401 they werent worshipping the fire tho? the fire is symbolism at best and a connection between the abrahamic religions and Zoroastrianism...and honestly.... thats kinda fucking dope to see something like that in a video game
I used to have one of the copies with the original Fire Temple music and the crescent symbol, until Katrina ate it. I was a seriously salty girl when I got my hands on another copy and heard the groaning they put in the song. The original version was beautiful and memorable, and I honestly thought that most of the chanting in the background was a choir repeating "Volvagia" over and over.
I grew up playing the original and loved the chanting in the Fire Temple. I remember being perplexed with the weird moaning in the new 3DS version and missing the old music. What a shame.
My brother's friend left his pre-ordered Nintendo 64 gold cartridge copy of this game at our house and I distinctly remember this being the theme and not even realizing it was edited when this game came out on the GameCube. Awesome memories playing this game and watching my older brother play it too!!!
I'm already grown up and the chanting scared me for no reason. I didn't get to have the chanting version in game, but man, if i did, my 5 y-o self would've had a heart attack right there and then.
I definitely wouldn't say "no reason", it's legit spooky. I was 20 years old when I played the game back in 1998 and that specific temple really stood out to me due to the chanting. It seemed haunted.
I played the censored version first, renting the game and renewing it every 3 days from my local independent video store. I had got as far as the fire temple before borrowing a copy from a friend, who had the original version with chanting. It was scary, as in those days, these were the sort of things that weren't often changed.
Since my childhood up to now, I think the only version I've played was the original one with the chanting. I've heard about the chanting and how controversial it is, but I think it fits with the layout and the overall theme of the Fire Temple itself.
My OOT cartridge had the crescent moon symbol on all the blocks and the Mirror Shield, but I don't think it had the "original" fire temple track, simply because I really do not recognise it. I remember when I played OOT on the Gamecube (the version that was shipped with the Windwaker Gold Edition), one of the first changes I noticed was the pushable blocks not featuring the crescent symbol. Then again, I was barely 5 years old when I first played OOT on N64 and since then a lot of my OOT memories may have been overwritten with the Gamecube version. Edit: I definitely also remember Ganondorf's blood vomit.
Im glad they changed it, because i literally hear that part of ezan 5 times everyday. They say Allahu Ekber which means allah is big, so i think its too obvious for islamic people. It was still very atmospheric though!
I've always had these doubts (how did the mario music come to be? What are the strange sounds in the zelda tracks and why are they used?) nice to see a channel about this in a very educational and funny manner. Thank you!
If your arguement against having blood IN A GAME ABOUT FIGHTING as well as adventure is that "iT's rAtEd E fOr eVeRyOne" then you are part of the on-going censorship problem that we're all experiencing right now.
I always found the fire temple track intriguing but also inthe way you described - twisted. Anyway We knew nothing else and took it for what it was. Lovely game, played as a kid.
My version was sold with the original song, hearing the chanting made me think it was the crying out of the Gorons who were held captive to be eaten by the dragon.
Bruh I will make a botw mod where there are a ton of religious references and the gerudo logo is a star and crescent. Like, for example, it will have a priest in hateno village and since people are so critical of the liquid that lives inside us, flurry rushes will leave the enemy’s blood splashing everywhere. And the npcs in my mod will refer to ganon as a demon god and also the temple of time will have a cross on top of the tower where the king gives his speech
Great video! I was interested in this topic, and you did a great job explaining everything to me. You have very little subscribers compared to the quality of your videos, I hope your channel blows up soon!
The version I played as a kid was a 1.0 gray cart, so I had the original audio. As a fairly young kid, it actually really bothered me at the time. It was so haunting and creepy-sounding and oppressive in its frequency and repetition. I imagined it was coming from the totems in the entry way. I didn't miss its absence on the re-releases, although I can hear some appeal in it now.
My pops was so hyped for OoT when it came out he bought it right away so we had one of the copies with the original fire temple theme and red blood. I still have that copy! That original fire temple theme used to freak me out as a kid lol
Thank God my childhood wasn’t tainted with the “fixed” versions..I had the original and it made such an impact on me it’s still one of my favorite games of all time. The music itself was one of the main components that stuck with me the most aside from the adventure of course.
There is clearly a lot of research that went into this, but i want to clarify some things. The "chanting" itself isn't scary, it's probably taken from the big mosque in mekkah, it's just a routinely sound, when heard in its proper context it's holy, infact a lot of people cry when they hear it in person. but when accompanied by those drum notes, and that background sound, and those establishing high notes, the chanting's quarter notes stick out, and that reverb makes the entire temple feel very imposing. When it was reproduced with midi sounds, there were no quarter notes and it just sounded way off, and way less imposing.
I had the collectors edition on game cube when I was a kid so I’m biased toward the updated version. I still like the chanting I think it’s still a great vibe for the temple but I still like the updated version better. That ethereal chanting to me represents your desire to help the Goron’s and your sworn brother
i needa plsy this game again ten to 11 years later n actually complete it. holy shit you're alr bringing back plenty of memories.. got really spookt out - going out back then
Maybe spirit temple next? Its by far my favorite dungeon on the entire franchise and I feel like both the dungeon and the music are super underrated for how incredible they are
Honestly, I’d like to skip to it since I really don’t want to talk about the water and shadow temple’s music 😅. They’re kind of boring to me. But I’ll start doing some brief research and see if there is something more to them, just like the Fire temple.
That’s super interesting! I usually always go Forest>Fire>Water>Shadow>Spirit. I know you can do a lot of them out of order. I did Fire first once, but not having the arrows was a little annoying, lol. I suppose the hover boots don’t add too much to the Spirit temple though.
@@SaveDataTeam my train of thought was "hmmm, I've been everywhere except that portion of the map" so, I completely ignored Navi, therefore, never kmew I should head to kakariko again. Glad I did that, Shadow temple is probably the one I hate the most and the portion to get to it is kinda boring, on the other hand, I loved every single aspect of Gerudo's Valley to Spirit temple
Yeah, the well going into shadow is not nearly as good as “hey, here’s a whole new culture/large map, and you have to fight your way through this gerudo compound before making it through a cursed desert!”
I have one of the first cartridges. The chat version was THE version I grew up playing and listening to. The crescent moon was also the symbol I remember drawing on a home made mirror shield. While the changes saddened me, I understand why they were made. Great video series!!
I prefer it mainly because I don't want to hear about "Allah" in a video game. Please, no. Definitely a very good choice Nintendo made there. I am an atheist and so I do not want to hear anything from any religion at all.
@@DarkDrakee so atheists are scared to hear Allah weird because it is the truth BTW iam muslim and was pissed because of this and glad the they removed
It's a Muslim phrase in that the phrase itself comes straight out of the Islamic religious text. Similarly "I can do everything through Christ who gives me strength" is a specifically Christian phrase as it comes directly from a Bible verse. Obviously it's in the English language but thats not what's being referred to. The origin of the phrase is being referred to and the phrases in the OG fire temple came directly out of the Muslim religious text, therefore it can be considered specifically a Muslim phrase.
Zak you just sent me on a wild hunt. I played 1.2 as a kid and I remember the changed version of the song, but also distinctly remember the crescent moon symbol on the blocks and mirror shield. I was able to find sites and videos that note this symbol change was made for the game cube version of the game, not 1.2. Phew, I was about to spend the night thinking about it.
2:53 do those Nintendo of America censorship rules apply in Japan or just America? As far as I know, the fire temple music is the original on all Japan cartridges and 1.2 on all PAL releases. So north america is the only place you could find both.
In my research I didn’t see anything indicating they changed it in Japan, and I’m pretty sure PAL only got the version 1.2. So I think you are correct that the US is the only one with both versions! 😊
I actually happen to have one of those original copies with the music. Found out only recently when I got to the temple ofc, but it really caught me off guard.
I always interpreted the sounds in the 1.2 version of the Fire Temple as an intense power flowing through the temple rather than something ethereal. I really appreciate the build up in the 1.2 version and think that part is really intense, but I find the chants more fitting thematically in the old version and more pleasant throughout the whole track. I feel like one of the few people who enjoys newer version more, and most of that is due to how intense the "ethereal" chant is. I bet an experiment mixing elements of the two would turn out phenomenal.
The sampled track is not a "chant" but the Muslim call to prayer: the azaan. As a Muslim and Zelda fan I am very glad they took it out. It is disappointing to see so many comments referring to "chanting" making the place feel foreboding, playing in to the orientalist trope that Islam is an inherently foreboding, mysterious, or sinister religion. Using the word "chant" instead of "recite" is also contributing to this. They could have achieved this unsettling feeling through creating jibberish chanting in the edited version. I do appreciate your take that the Gorons could be praying, but I do not think that was the intended effect unfortunately- especially seeing as the Islamic crescent and star symbol was found in the Gerudo temple, and their religion was considered to be evil by the Hylians (the Gerudo, although one of my favorite of the Zelda races, also plays on orientalist views on Muslim women and the concept of the harem but that is a separate topic). Considering the events just a few years after the game was released, I am happy Nintendo removed references to Islam to avoid associating Islamic prayers and symbols with scaring impressionable kids. On top of that, it is considered disrespectful to mix the call to prayer with music for the majority of Muslims. Anyway, cool video! Found your channel today and I love the series.
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obviously the first one , when i heard the bottom well stuff, shadow temple y ragequit the game!!!
The fist one. I never heard the updated one until this video
The second one.
The first one just sounds like noise to me. Too busy and non-descript. The chanting just hurts me to hear.
The original one. I have the one with the original Fire Temple music, it was a X-mas gift in 1998 lol
The first one, but I understand why the changed it and completely respect that decision
Actually have one of the OG cartridges of the chanting fire temple
i do too!!
Bro make me the 3rd! Bro they must have made a ton before realizing they screwed up lol
The chanting just sounds dark to me. Like demonic almost
Same!
Me too. Grew up associating Muslim chanting with heat for years.
im muslim and i was extremely terrified when i was playing on an emulator and the theme played.. felt like the biggest 4th wall break i had ever experienced
That’s crazy, I can’t even imagine suddenly hearing a new song that was saying something personal to you in an old game. It sounds like the set up to a creepy pasta 😅
Me too, i often hear recitation of the Qur'an but this is creepy
@@SaveDataTeam weirdly now I would expect focus group on it but shrug 90s
So does this upset you or...? Curious to know.
@@lahoku It really shouldn't tbh.
Ngl I thought the chanting version was the only version, makes my cartridge feel a little more special than it already was
It’s not clear exactly how rare, since Nintendo didn’t release numbers on how many were made. But it’s definitely a lesser amount. Cherish it!
I had the original version on the N64 too, and I was really confused because I also have the Gamecube version that comes with Masters Quest, and the song was different and I was like "where'd the cool chanting go?"
my cartridge has the original song too, the new one doesn’t sound right to me lol the nostalgia is strong
I literally relate to this. My cartridge was handed to me when I was six so I didn't know about an alternate version of the song until literally like 2 months ago. I also have the red blood in mine. I have mine on display right now
I played the chanting version first, but it may have been on a borrowed copy. It was a long time ago and I can't remember.
I let my sister keep the N64 and Zelda games when I moved out, because I had other versions, but I'm not sure whether that copy of OoT has the chanting. It's a grey cartridge, so possibly not. Not sure whether any of the first few runs were grey.
I liked the version with chanting. The chanting added an aura of foreboding, and made you realize (IMO) that the Gorons were in grave danger.
^ I agree. It just has more character to it than the updated version.
It’s racist !!!!! Reeeeeeeeeeeeee
omensoffate ..what?
The actual meaning of the chant is a long forgotten ancient tribe but its a cool thought.
@Sharky bro what do you mean you don't know the details the first part of this video tell you it's an Islamic prayer
We need more chanting in zelda games, it’s so atmospheric, i love it
Agreed! 😁
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It terrifys me
@@yeetnugget9657 That's the point. Remember the Shadow Temple?
So I actually borrowed my friends version of OoT waaay back when and was kinda surprised to hear this. As a Muslim kid, I kinda thought it was like these people were praying for Link's safety. But my mother was kinda confused when I showed it to her and thought it looked more like a hell, which would definitely be seen as insulting. That being said, I still think of this version everytime I remember playing through OoT and I still loved that game growing up.
Kinda hell to those who hate fire levels tbh...
are you still Muslim?
haha what a cute thought! I think your childhood interpretation was the best. The Gorons were rooting for Link, after all!
I can kinda see how muslims would find it insulting to hear one of their prayers used in a fire Temple that kinda looks like hell 😅 It is a shame though, because those prayers are really what made it so damn good.
@@wilhelmdietz4023sorry but our prayers ain't some accessory. Unlike some people of other religions, we don't like any perversion or disrespect to ours.
They should have brought in a vocalist to just sing the melody without actual lyrics. I’ve always known the original version. I just can’t picture it any other way
Or have them singing to the goddesses in a language similar to the inspiration, but not exactly.
They probably didn't have time to do that.
@@Lunar994 yeah koji kondo probably whipped up the new song in a night lol
It is severely lacking without the chanting. They should have added some other vocals instead of completely removing it.
I still have the version of the game with the "banned" theme, and I've always thought it was beautiful. Ominous, but also conveying a sense of strength and power. Fits the religious theme of a temple, the Gorons, and fire itself.
Sadly, I no longer have my old N64 games, and I don't remember the music either, but I think mine had the theme because I remember my copy having the crescent moon on the mirror shield.
I had a version of OOT without the chanting, but it did kept the Islamic symbol and Ganondorf's red blood.
@@tomboyjessie1352 Ah, so I may not have had it. I only remember the shield; The last time I played my copy was when I was 7.
(with little enthusiasm) ....but no, it's so offensive.....
@@tomboyjessie1352 yeah me too
When I was a kid I always thought that the original version was Ganon trying to summon the dragon or the Gorons chanting for help. Either way, it left an uneasy feeling and I loved it.
That's a bad ass way to see it!!
"Rated E for Everyone"
*Wallmaster drops from the ceiling*
*Five year old me:* 😳🥶
Wallmasters are the stuff of nightmares
@@SaveDataTeam That and Redead's scream.
@@rufusgreenleaf2466 their screams made me want to pee myself!
I was 15 when I first played OoT, and I was too scared to play the Bottom of the Well or the Shadow Temple without my sister present. Can't imagine the nightmares I would've got if I'd been a kid. ^^'
@@muraalia My first experience for Majoras Mask was when my dad was playing it back in 2000 and i sat and watched him. The earliest image i can remember of the game is changing masks with that eye-widened scream. It terrified me.
The thing I love about OOT that no Zelda game after captures quite as well is creepy dungeon themes.
Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess has the best music out of all the Zelda games to me.
ALL of Majora's Mask was dark and had creepy vibes etc. But yeah, the few dark temples in OoT were legend.
Very good reasearch! Seems soundtrack composer just sample as much as hiphop producer
I have to admit that between what was said in this video and another commenter's reference to the song "Let's Not Talk About It" it seems like Koji Kondo was a more unoriginal composer than I grew up believing.
I had the OG version and it was so unnerving. I also told a friend ganondorf spat up blood and they just told me he threw up.
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The chanting felt like the prayers we hear from Mosques. Its quite comforting and mysterious.
its more scary then comforting because when u hear something familiar to u with a scary ambience behind it it becomes insanely scary because it feels like a kind of 4th wall thing
@@ggarfieldd1741 well I felt like it is comforting, cuz i basically grew up in an Arab country and its something familiar to me, sometimes I hear it in the middle of the night and it helps me sleep better 😅
@@ggarfieldd1741 obviously sound design was absolute garbage at thag time most sounds at that age would be scary
But they added music to it
That's what it was. It's beautiful
The chanting added so much to the atmosphere of the temple imo
Funny how Nintendo "forgot" about their own rule about religion when in the previous game, A Link to the Past, the religion of Hyrule was going to be Christianity (though granted this was on display in the previous two games as well, as Link's shield in LoZ has a cross and some buildings in Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link have crosses on them). There's even concept art of Link kneeling before a crucifix. In fact, Link even does the "Sign of the Cross" during certain events in ALttP.
To be perfectly fair, Christians aren't going to flip out and become violently angry that their religion is referenced in a game.
@@morganearp2265 Well I guess that all depends on how it's depicted, but I guess that's obvious. Funny enough I assumed LoZ was Christian anyway because I saw the Triforce as a representation of the Holy Trinity (though I guess it was representative of a "trinity", just not the one I expected).
@Taiga's Tunes yes and no, Christian's rally against things they dont like. Not so much against chritizim or representations of their beliefs. That position is well documented to be held by another religion.
@@mishaelcalhoun1165 So what you're saying is people don't complain when portrayed favorably in media?No fucking shit.
@@SJamesGill88 no, re-read the comment to see what I was saying.
The original chanting did always make me uncomfortable, but it fit the theme of the temple. I can't stand the newer version.
Yeah, the new one sound more like “noise” than an actual song to me.
MX How exactly is the original Fire Temple theme supposed to do that? Most non muslims who grew up with it had no idea the choir was reciting a muslim prayer. That and the theme isn’t anti muslim either way. Many don’t even have a problem with it. I MUCH prefer the original theme since it creates the perfect atmosphere for a volcanic level and (from a music theory perspective) the microtonal nature of the chants creates much more distinct sound than the discount shadow temple theme of all later versions
@MX girl.... what are you going on about.
The first day I was stuck in the fire temple, don't make fun of me I was stuck in it for like 3 days, the new song gave me a headache!
@@wocean6994 ikr
I grew up with the original, so when I first heard the new version on the GameCube port, I was shocked.
AMEN! I was appalled at the sad edit to be allowed. Not sure why they removed it when a Link to the Past was basically Christianity ✝️ 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I was to i played the original for 10 to11 years be for getting the GameCube port. i was 6 when i first got ocarina of time back in 98 so it was defiantly a shock to me.
@@lahoku i feel like christian concepts are so commonplace that most people dont think of them as religious. i didn't know christmas was a Christian holiday (technically its pagan but) until i was like 12
i was more scared then shocked because it sounded familiar and it felt like it was breaking a kind of 4th wall break
SAME I despise the new song I have to play on mute with the original track playing on RUclips 😂
They kinda went back on the "no religious references" rule in Skyward Sword with the Ancient Cistern being heavily inspired by Buddhist religion, if I recall correctly...
It was inspired, but nothing quite as blatant as the Fire Temple theme
It's inspired by for sure. The difference between the Ancient Cistern and the religious things in OOT is that they were direct references. The chanting is an actual Muslim chant and the symbol on the blocks and Mirror Shield are the actual Muslim symbols.
@@paradygmshift7826 I like the concept of the chanting, but I feel actual Muslim chants shouldn't be in Hyrule for two reasons: first, Hyrule is a separate world to ours, so it would break immersion for me. Secondly, if I were more religious, finding an aspect of my religion being used as such in a game might seem... disrespectful? Especially as they're mostly used for spooky/exotic atmosphere rather than as a part of the worldbuilding (like the Shinto references in BoTW, for example.)
That was over a decade later. Nintendo's no religion rule came mainly from the mindset at the time that videogames were a new, weird thing that existed mainly as a kind of children's toy, so nintendo felt like they needed to avoid anything that could cause controversy. By 2011 video games were a lot more mainstream so still being adamant about removing religious references didn't make as much sense.
@@paradygmshift7826 its actually the symbol of turkey, im pretty certain symbols are enough allowed.
Awesome spot on video. I must inform you, and those who think that the replaced vocals came from the Shadow Temple, are only partially correct; It's not that Koji Kondo re-used the shadow temple composition/song, he reused the digital midi instrument patch. As in, I bet his thought process was "If I have to remove the vocal sample, I have to substitute it with other vocals. Therefor I should just write something and play it with digital vocal patch since I've been using that a lot anyways and it's been very useful." Other compositions from that era of his work feature the exact same vocal midi instrument sound. So, rather than "taking from" the shadow temple, he really just fell back on his trusty tools at hand, and we the players are very familiar with this one. Vocals make the song sound less square. It's too bad the chant is controversial, but good on him and the team for acting pretty well on their changes.
Wow.. I've heard that call to prayer many times.. definitely is enchanting.. mystical
The chanting in the original really lends itself to the temple. I wish they kept some form of chanting in the second version, but I can understand if Koji Kondo didn't have a lot of time to write a new piece and find a sound that wouldn't violate Nintendo's rules.
I can totally picture the trapped gorons mournfully chanting in their jail cells...
Same thought. Somehow reminds me of detained Uighurs muslims to be sacrificed to the Chinese dragon.
I guess Gordon's were Muslim?
gorons are muslim
@@impossibleexperiments China is literally the pest of the present world. It has to be crushed
BRUH I thought that was some sort of mandala effect! I have an orginal cartridge given to me by my uncle a long time ago. My younger cousin had a 1.2 version. We played it together when I came back to my home state. When we got the mirror shield I told him it looks off and that the music wasnt like what it was for me. He came up with that I was either a liar, or my cartiadge was "personalized" liked the bs theory about super mario 64. Now it makes sense why yt had two different songs for the temple and not just being different rooms in the temple.
The real mandela effect is that you and Zak remember the change in symbols for 1.2. I played 1.2 as a kid and I remember the changed version of the song, but also the crescent moon symbol. There are dome sites that state the symbol change was made for the gamecube port.
@@EvanSawyer4 The symbol change WAS made with the GameCube rerelease. 1.2 had the original Moon + Star. How do I know? I distinctly remember the changed Fire Temple music and remember absolutely losing my mind when I was playing someone's copy of Master Quest and the push blocks in Deku Tree were changed. I was like, "What is this insanity? Why did they change this?" I literally just stopped playing for a minute to talk about it.
@@TemporallyAnarchaic Thank you! So yeah, 1.2 still had the crescent moon which is what I remember.
I'm so blessed to have the 1.0 version of the game. That version has ISG (infinite sword glitch, sword is always active and a bunch of weird stuff can happen). All of the original songs are so memorable.
I still have the original one, i never really thought there were other versions. The fire temple just hits different with the chanting, it really gives it its unique fire temple feel of impending danger and a dragon lurking in the temple.
I have the original, and personally like it way better. It just completes the atmosphere of the fire temple for me
I actually enjoyed the original more than I do the remake, the remake just feels out of place and weird while the OG song made me feel like I had to beat the dungeon quickly to save the gorons bc I always took the chants as them actually crying out for help at what was gonna happen
I've never been more proud to own a 1.0 cartridge than ever before. At least it didn't JUST give me rampant glitches lmao
I think you made an excellent case for the religious side of things here. For years I thought "Kondo-san is Japanese, he was probably just looking for some slightly unnerving samples." But you had a great example for it actually being the Gorons praying while in captivity and having a leader among them rise their voice above the rest by using real world explanations.
i wasn’t even born when this game came out and i even played the 3ds version of this game my first go around, and i can still say i prefer the original, the second version is too similar to shadow temples music for my taste
^ I agree 100%. It kind of robs the temple of its originality.
Tbh I just now realized how similar the soundtracks are but now i also agree with you
Wow, I didn't even know there was 2 versions of the song.
Before I started doing my research, I didn’t either! 😊
I didn’t know either, I actually thought the chanting version was the only one, I was so confused when my friend showed me. weirdly enough, my cartridge has the chants but also the green blood instead of the red
@@13days13 I didn't even know about the green blood ! I had to do a quick google search 😅
I also had no idea. My cartridge is a two digits grey PAL version. I distinctly remember, that the moon symbols were still in my game. I don't
@@13days13 mine too, I remember both green blood and the chanting
The cartridge I had must have been 1.0 or 1.1 because the Ganondorf coughed blood!
samesies. And I was 9? when I played this game and that didn't bother me at all. I couldn't even remember that detail until it was pointed out because I was so into the battle itself, and the story. I do remember, however, being creeped out by the shadow temple but frankly, that was its entire purpose so kudos to the game makers. they did a good job.
That T-Square mario inspiration blew my freaking mind.
I literally just found out about it while doing some research on Koji Kondo for this video. I too was absolutely shook. 😅
For some reason the higher "ethereal" sound reminded me of how you see heat waves irl coming off of hot asphalt or sand. Like it was the audio recreation of that visual.
I agree! That’s exactly how I hear it.
Yeah, that's actually fitting now that I think about it
I always thought as a kid the moon and star shield was cool. Crazy to see they changes it in the cartriges.
When I was younger, the shadow temple scared me to death and I'd replay the game from that point every time playthrough
When I was a kid, I had the mirror shield with the original symbol on it, but had the new fire temple music. A friend of mine had the fire temple with the original song. It’s so cool! What an interesting video.
Not gonna lie, the original is one of my favorite tracks. I would go sit in the Fire Temple when I wasn’t playing to just listen to that track on repeat.
It’s a heck of a lot more memorable than the replacement song 😅
Good to know you liked an Islamic chanting, ig
that's the power of Islamic prayer :)
You should listen to some normal Quran if ur interested
Happy to say I pop in my v1.0 of this game often. Admire the red blood, chanting, symbols, glitches and all. Very exciting
I think the pivot came from the concept that the Gorons were being sacrificed to Volvagia. When they lost the thematic concept of the Gorons chanting or praying for deliverance, they went with a focus on the sacrifice aspect, which unfortunately kind of treads the same ground that the Shadow Temple’s theme makes unique.
Funny how they removed the chanting because it violates their rule about referencing real-world religions, but the Temple of Time had Gregorian chanting and blatant Christian cathedral architecture and that wasn't a problem for them at all.
That's so crazy! I definitely grew up playing the 1.0 version. There was chants in the fire temple, blood in the shadow temple, and ganondorf puked blood instead of green stuff at the end. 😂
Note for the curious, since I didn't see this explained any further ca. 0:50 - "Think (About It)" by Lyn Collins is The Original Source™ of the "Yeah! WHOO!" vocals in Street Fighter III and "It Takes Two."
It's so weird to me to find out so many people who didn't know about the two versions of the song lol
I just though everyone knew about it, not that thats wrong or they are less fans of course, just a feeling I got.
Growing up, I always saw the chanting as the Gorons crying out for help.
Awesome video, again!!! I have all three versions of the game. Whenever I replay OoT (which is once a year because it is my favorite game of all time), I always go with the original cartridge because of the chanting in the Fire Temple and the blood at the end.
Thanks again! Yeah I had no clue about all the version differences before I started doing the research for this video. It was really cool to see how they changed the game over time. 😅
In the Ocarina of Time 3d 3ds version, the version I have (sadly☹️) the blood at the end is green, and barely noticeable unless you have an xl system
@@The-Loon-belt-Extravaganza Yeah, you'd need to play the first version of the original cartridge to see that, or a ROM of the first version of the cartridge on an emulator... It is quite satisfying because you can definitely see and enjoy the difference when you play the game.
It feels weird without it after being so use to it. I play oot over and over as a kid so I am so use to the original. It legitimately creeped me out as a kid. I felt like there was something watching me and I imagined these robed figures hiding in somewhere watching me and angry I'm daring to invade the temple. Child logic is a hell of a thing.
Edit: I can't spell.
I wish they kept the Muslim verses as a Muslim myself I love it. However, I can see why some were offended. Since tehy were looking for "SPOOKY" sounds and that kinda hurts when your faith that brings you peace is spooky to others lol. Back then in Japan they weren't really well knowing of Islam also. But still very cool that there was a "Muslim" temple in Zelda lol feels good to be repped in some way
I believe hes got a point with the thought of the gorons praying to be saved from this dragon as a desperate plee for help so i think slightly different mix or making it distorted later in the track (drowned out by dragon sounds) might of helped the concept.
However, not my religion so my opinion is worth but a grain of salt.
I can't say that it sounds spooky. It actually sounds mysterious which is in no way offensive.
This was related to the fire temple mission. As a Muslim, I find this gesture insulting, because it relates something of holy importance to fire worshippers. No Muslim should find this a cool thing to see....
@@Pyrox0401 they werent worshipping the fire tho? the fire is symbolism at best and a connection between the abrahamic religions and Zoroastrianism...and honestly.... thats kinda fucking dope to see something like that in a video game
I think it's the background music that makes it sound eerie. When it was played in that desert level it gave off a completely different vibe.
I grew up with my uncles n64 and the original song on this game. I knew i noticed a big difference when i played the remastered
I’m jealous! I really like the original because it feels like it has more of an identity than the remastered version.
@@SaveDataTeam yea it does. Such a creepy but cool song
Fantastic analysis. The music of this game deserves a close look, thank you!
Thank you very much! Yeah, OoT’s music is probably one of the most memorable soundtracks for me. Glad you enjoyed!
I used to have one of the copies with the original Fire Temple music and the crescent symbol, until Katrina ate it. I was a seriously salty girl when I got my hands on another copy and heard the groaning they put in the song. The original version was beautiful and memorable, and I honestly thought that most of the chanting in the background was a choir repeating "Volvagia" over and over.
I grew up playing the original and loved the chanting in the Fire Temple. I remember being perplexed with the weird moaning in the new 3DS version and missing the old music. What a shame.
My brother's friend left his pre-ordered Nintendo 64 gold cartridge copy of this game at our house and I distinctly remember this being the theme and not even realizing it was edited when this game came out on the GameCube. Awesome memories playing this game and watching my older brother play it too!!!
I'm already grown up and the chanting scared me for no reason. I didn't get to have the chanting version in game, but man, if i did, my 5 y-o self would've had a heart attack right there and then.
I definitely wouldn't say "no reason", it's legit spooky. I was 20 years old when I played the game back in 1998 and that specific temple really stood out to me due to the chanting. It seemed haunted.
Love the self awareness on using the same opening joke! You are truly a master of your craft.
I remember the chanting and the original version 😂👌
I’m jealous! I never had the original when I was a kid, so I only knew the edited version. The chanting gives the dungeon a much more unique feel!
Same here. And I got the version of the game that came immediately after the gold cartridge version.
@@LittleAl016 wow, the gold cartridge?
@@aidopotato222 I didn't the gold cartridge. Just a gray cartridge released around the same time. I didn't know that I had to reserve it at the time.
Actually geeking out right now. I have an original. I'm going to have to set up the old 64 and play it again
I played the censored version first, renting the game and renewing it every 3 days from my local independent video store. I had got as far as the fire temple before borrowing a copy from a friend, who had the original version with chanting. It was scary, as in those days, these were the sort of things that weren't often changed.
Since my childhood up to now, I think the only version I've played was the original one with the chanting. I've heard about the chanting and how controversial it is, but I think it fits with the layout and the overall theme of the Fire Temple itself.
The n64 version with updated music still has the crescent moon mirror shield
My OOT cartridge had the crescent moon symbol on all the blocks and the Mirror Shield, but I don't think it had the "original" fire temple track, simply because I really do not recognise it.
I remember when I played OOT on the Gamecube (the version that was shipped with the Windwaker Gold Edition), one of the first changes I noticed was the pushable blocks not featuring the crescent symbol.
Then again, I was barely 5 years old when I first played OOT on N64 and since then a lot of my OOT memories may have been overwritten with the Gamecube version.
Edit: I definitely also remember Ganondorf's blood vomit.
Im glad they changed it, because i literally hear that part of ezan 5 times everyday. They say Allahu Ekber which means allah is big, so i think its too obvious for islamic people. It was still very atmospheric though!
That’s totally fair! If it was something I recognized I would totally be taken out of it.
@@SaveDataTeam though they can add other arabic sounds on it it would still give the same athmosphere!
Allah is the greatest you mean not Allah is big
@@hemerafos2655 in turkish it translates to Allah is big so (its my first language)
My favourite fact about this song is definitely that the same sample was uded and removed from sfv, thanks!
I actually have a copy of OoT that has all of the original stuff!
I actually have a cartridge with the crescent moon and star, yet no chanting in the fire temple from what I remember. It was wild to realize.
same
I've always had these doubts (how did the mario music come to be? What are the strange sounds in the zelda tracks and why are they used?) nice to see a channel about this in a very educational and funny manner. Thank you!
Appreciate it! 😅
If your arguement against having blood IN A GAME ABOUT FIGHTING as well as adventure is that "iT's rAtEd E fOr eVeRyOne" then you are part of the on-going censorship problem that we're all experiencing right now.
😂😂😂
I always found the fire temple track intriguing but also inthe way you described - twisted.
Anyway We knew nothing else and took it for what it was. Lovely game, played as a kid.
My version was sold with the original song, hearing the chanting made me think it was the crying out of the Gorons who were held captive to be eaten by the dragon.
When I was 10, OoT was very influential on my music styles.
You made an error regarding the blood. I have version 1.1.
It has the original fire temple theme, but Ganandorf's blood is green.
Oh true. I had green. But chanting
Are you sure about that? Ive never heard of the game having green blood but with the chanting.
Bruh I will make a botw mod where there are a ton of religious references and the gerudo logo is a star and crescent. Like, for example, it will have a priest in hateno village and since people are so critical of the liquid that lives inside us, flurry rushes will leave the enemy’s blood splashing everywhere. And the npcs in my mod will refer to ganon as a demon god and also the temple of time will have a cross on top of the tower where the king gives his speech
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My gray cart is 07A. I'm glad my brain wasn't Mandela Effecting.
The version I played as a kid was a 1.0 gray cart, so I had the original audio. As a fairly young kid, it actually really bothered me at the time. It was so haunting and creepy-sounding and oppressive in its frequency and repetition. I imagined it was coming from the totems in the entry way. I didn't miss its absence on the re-releases, although I can hear some appeal in it now.
My original gold cartridge has "00" stamped on the back. It's the official version to me.
My pops was so hyped for OoT when it came out he bought it right away so we had one of the copies with the original fire temple theme and red blood. I still have that copy! That original fire temple theme used to freak me out as a kid lol
i love it i remembered how magical mistical was to reach the Spirit temple when i was a kid , it really made feel like in the middle east
Thank God my childhood wasn’t tainted with the “fixed” versions..I had the original and it made such an impact on me it’s still one of my favorite games of all time. The music itself was one of the main components that stuck with me the most aside from the adventure of course.
I love the original. It sounds way more epic
Agreed, I wish I was able to experience the original version when I played it. Might have left me with a better opinion of the dungeon as a whole. 😅
Never expected to see Krishna Das singing in a Legend of Zelda video! XD
Loved it!
No lie, I have a copy of OoT with the chanting and Moon symbols. I always thought that was the normal version until I found out they changed it.
Mine has the moon symbols just not the chanting
My game has the letter B on the back but have the moon symbol is this rare mistake
I also have second music theme, but star and crescent on some (not all) blocks and on the mirror shield. Cartridge stamp 11B.
Mine has this cart 01B
There is clearly a lot of research that went into this, but i want to clarify some things. The "chanting" itself isn't scary, it's probably taken from the big mosque in mekkah, it's just a routinely sound, when heard in its proper context it's holy, infact a lot of people cry when they hear it in person. but when accompanied by those drum notes, and that background sound, and those establishing high notes, the chanting's quarter notes stick out, and that reverb makes the entire temple feel very imposing. When it was reproduced with midi sounds, there were no quarter notes and it just sounded way off, and way less imposing.
I had the collectors edition on game cube when I was a kid so I’m biased toward the updated version. I still like the chanting I think it’s still a great vibe for the temple but I still like the updated version better. That ethereal chanting to me represents your desire to help the Goron’s and your sworn brother
never knew there were non chanting music on here till like 2 years ago, glad i still have it
Man. That puppet was more disturbing than anything, and that's even disregarding its soul being drained. The hell was that?
it's from the dark crystal!!
@@bag8412 I had a feeling. Thanks.
Podling slave from the Dark Crystal. Absolutely amazing movie, if you haven't seen it yet you should.
I watched it on video when I was five years old. That and Augrah's eye scared me.
i needa plsy this game again ten to 11 years later n actually complete it. holy shit you're alr bringing back plenty of memories.. got really spookt out - going out back then
Maybe spirit temple next? Its by far my favorite dungeon on the entire franchise and I feel like both the dungeon and the music are super underrated for how incredible they are
Honestly, I’d like to skip to it since I really don’t want to talk about the water and shadow temple’s music 😅. They’re kind of boring to me. But I’ll start doing some brief research and see if there is something more to them, just like the Fire temple.
@@SaveDataTeam honestly sometimes I forget that the "correct" order is shadow first spirit last, I always did the opposite
That’s super interesting! I usually always go Forest>Fire>Water>Shadow>Spirit. I know you can do a lot of them out of order. I did Fire first once, but not having the arrows was a little annoying, lol. I suppose the hover boots don’t add too much to the Spirit temple though.
@@SaveDataTeam my train of thought was "hmmm, I've been everywhere except that portion of the map" so, I completely ignored Navi, therefore, never kmew I should head to kakariko again. Glad I did that, Shadow temple is probably the one I hate the most and the portion to get to it is kinda boring, on the other hand, I loved every single aspect of Gerudo's Valley to Spirit temple
Yeah, the well going into shadow is not nearly as good as “hey, here’s a whole new culture/large map, and you have to fight your way through this gerudo compound before making it through a cursed desert!”
I have one of the first cartridges. The chat version was THE version I grew up playing and listening to. The crescent moon was also the symbol I remember drawing on a home made mirror shield. While the changes saddened me, I understand why they were made. Great video series!!
I prefer the "censored" version. It sounds darker and scarier.
I prefer it mainly because I don't want to hear about "Allah" in a video game. Please, no. Definitely a very good choice Nintendo made there.
I am an atheist and so I do not want to hear anything from any religion at all.
@@DarkDrakee I don't really care personally. To me, it's simply a question of taste.
While I do prefer the original, I also find the censored version to be creepier for some reason lol
@@babithehuman2505 that's why I prefer the censored version.
@@DarkDrakee so atheists are scared to hear Allah weird because it is the truth BTW iam muslim and was pissed because of this and glad the they removed
Out of all the Nintendo series, the Zelda series has the most violence
Not him saying “a muslim phrase” b r u h
Its an arabic phrase. Islam in not a language.
Thank you, someone finally said it.
It's a Muslim phrase in that the phrase itself comes straight out of the Islamic religious text. Similarly "I can do everything through Christ who gives me strength" is a specifically Christian phrase as it comes directly from a Bible verse. Obviously it's in the English language but thats not what's being referred to. The origin of the phrase is being referred to and the phrases in the OG fire temple came directly out of the Muslim religious text, therefore it can be considered specifically a Muslim phrase.
Zak you just sent me on a wild hunt. I played 1.2 as a kid and I remember the changed version of the song, but also distinctly remember the crescent moon symbol on the blocks and mirror shield. I was able to find sites and videos that note this symbol change was made for the game cube version of the game, not 1.2. Phew, I was about to spend the night thinking about it.
2:53 do those Nintendo of America censorship rules apply in Japan or just America?
As far as I know, the fire temple music is the original on all Japan cartridges and 1.2 on all PAL releases. So north america is the only place you could find both.
In my research I didn’t see anything indicating they changed it in Japan, and I’m pretty sure PAL only got the version 1.2. So I think you are correct that the US is the only one with both versions! 😊
I actually happen to have one of those original copies with the music. Found out only recently when I got to the temple ofc, but it really caught me off guard.
Hey thanks for this video
Checked my copy and I have version 1.0 I may actually play the game just to get to the removed content cause I'm interested
That’s awesome! I’m jealous, I never owned a version that wasn’t at least 1.1! Glad you enjoyed 😊
I always interpreted the sounds in the 1.2 version of the Fire Temple as an intense power flowing through the temple rather than something ethereal. I really appreciate the build up in the 1.2 version and think that part is really intense, but I find the chants more fitting thematically in the old version and more pleasant throughout the whole track.
I feel like one of the few people who enjoys newer version more, and most of that is due to how intense the "ethereal" chant is. I bet an experiment mixing elements of the two would turn out phenomenal.
Nintendo should make another T-rated Zelda game
change my mind
Toon Link stabbed ganondorf in his skull
There is no changing the mind of someone who is correct. To do so would be idiocy.
Botw 2
Can't hear the fire temple without the chants. Grew up with the chanting fire temple. I loved it.
The sampled track is not a "chant" but the Muslim call to prayer: the azaan.
As a Muslim and Zelda fan I am very glad they took it out. It is disappointing to see so many comments referring to "chanting" making the place feel foreboding, playing in to the orientalist trope that Islam is an inherently foreboding, mysterious, or sinister religion. Using the word "chant" instead of "recite" is also contributing to this.
They could have achieved this unsettling feeling through creating jibberish chanting in the edited version. I do appreciate your take that the Gorons could be praying, but I do not think that was the intended effect unfortunately- especially seeing as the Islamic crescent and star symbol was found in the Gerudo temple, and their religion was considered to be evil by the Hylians (the Gerudo, although one of my favorite of the Zelda races, also plays on orientalist views on Muslim women and the concept of the harem but that is a separate topic).
Considering the events just a few years after the game was released, I am happy Nintendo removed references to Islam to avoid associating Islamic prayers and symbols with scaring impressionable kids. On top of that, it is considered disrespectful to mix the call to prayer with music for the majority of Muslims.
Anyway, cool video! Found your channel today and I love the series.