Quentin Tarantino calls MARVEL actors “NOT MOVIE STARS”! Captain America and Thor are the stars!
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Anthony Mackie said it years ago, The kids don't want to see Anthony Mackie, they wanna see The Falcon
Except they don't want to see Falcon, he is like sixtieth on the list of popular Marvel characters :D
@@marasenha dude what has that have to do with the point👀
@@MunchOnDeezNutz just a joke. Mackie has the point, but it doesn't apply to him and his character ;)
@@marasenha he was speaking to the reality of how movies are made today all that extra you're talking about is just extra, the world knows falcon isnt a top 50 plus character
playing a mob hitman or a guy in a costume with weird powers... it's all make believe.
I get what he's saying. With all the actors in the marvel movies, other than RDJ, I've never been drawn to any of the other movies those actors are in purely because they're in it. That's how it used to be. An actor used to play a role and play it so well that you'd want to see any movie they're in. Thus making them a movie star.
🎯
Hugh, Scarlett, Vin, Chris x3, Tom, Samuel, Idris... etc. Dude is out of touch,
@@fatsquirrel75 Eh, you could argue a few of them aren't really movie makers. But RDJ, forsure. Samuel L. Jackson, forsure. Etc etc
This is him being a bit old in my opinion.
I do know who Tom Holland, Tom Hiddleston, and Chris Evans are from Marvel movies (basically everyone else was already famous).
People don't see movies because of an A-list actor anymore because they have Google. We can now find out how good a movie is in 20 seconds and don't have to rely on actors picking out good ones.
@@warlordnipple You’re missing the point. Will you go stand in line and spend your money to watch a movie just because they are in it? Prob not. That’s what movie stars do, make you watch their movies, no matter what it is, just because they are in it. The movie would even be called the new Julia Robert’s movie for instance. How many of these actors OTHER movies have you seen?
"I'm the dude playin' the dude disguised as another dude!"
The dudes are emerging
I love how he breaks the 4th wall there 😂😂😂
Hell of a quote!
I KNOW WHO I AM!
@@carpentrybymichaelanthony7932 what do you mean, you people?
Quentin Tarantino always seems to be on the just right amount of coke
Lol
Just enough coke to make him see clearly and have enough energy to express what he notices. It’s also a very fine “line” so to speak. Very easy to cross over… into the dark side 😈
@@Trash2000si know exactly what u mean
He has to be
I imagine at this point of success he just has like a small machine slowly feeding like 50mg every 5 min into him lol
Dave Bautista used his Marvel carrier to help him land roles and show everyone the guy is definitely a good actor. He was great in Dune, Blade Runner, liked him in Knifes Out and he carried Knock at a Cabin. Hoping to see more of him. I would say his the best actor to come out from professional wrestling.
Chris Hemsworth was unknown before Thor and probably a few others. I love seeing these directors get butthurt because comics are timeless and enjoyed by parents and their children. The fact is these directors are one note like the Marvel movies they despise. Nothing new coming out of Hollywood. Studios like A24 are killing it now.
@@PokeyMan69 yepp! Talk to Me was a great movie, even though it wasn't made by the studio but picked up by it for mass release they know good movies. The guys who made the movie are now making Street Fighter!
@@chris90sk Talk to Me was cool. Climax was similar...not made but distributed by A24. Street Fighter would be cool to see.
He's not a star
Carrier 😂
Back in the day, you were watching the new Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. Today, you are watching the new Spiderman movie.
Ignore Terminator and predator then ….
Exactly. Look at the size of *Schwarzenegger* printed on the movie poster in relation to the size of the movie title.
And thank god for it
@@squishy5347 I literally just said predator and terminator. Nobody calls them Arnold movies. The key difference is if it’s a franchise or not
Who gives a shit
I think the best example of a human chameleon might be Gary Oldman
or Tom Hanks
And Daniel day Lewis.
But Gary as Drexel always blew my mind.
Christian bale, Ryan gosling
Oh man, it took me years to realise that Gary Oldman is Sirius Black in the Harry Potter movies. The dude literally disappears into his characters, it's insane. Like when he played a Jamaican gangster...Lol
Yea. Gary Oldman could even play a dwarf without being a dwarf. Who else could do that???
I started off as a Captain America fan, i became a fan of Chris Evans because of it, I've almost watched all the movies he's been in. Push, Snow piercer, Scott pilgrim, not another teen movie. He's right and wrong, some people go to see a superhero movie because there's a certain actor playing them. I wouldn't have seen Moon Knight if Oscar Issac wasn't playing him.
That's a great point
I love Oscar Isaac, and because he did Moon Knight I was very disappointed
@@ricardolombardiniMoney my friend
Push is a horrible movie in my opinion. However, Chris Evans was good in Sunshine (2007).
Snowpiercer (the movie) is so good! Haven’t seen the show yet.
RDJ is a damn star man
Dr do little says hi
You must be 12. RDJ was already an established actor from the 80s before iron man. He’s talking about all the new actors that came out of marvel - Tom holland probably would be the prime example. I’ve never gone to a Tom holland movie besides Spider-Man, and neither has anyone else, seeing as how all of his other projects end up bombing 😂
@@Widembois typcasting can happen before or after a man has had an incredible career.
@@WidemboisRDJ was a actor indeed around the 80's but he wasnt a big superstar either . And even after marvel ,iron man is the star. Not him .
Tom Cruise , DiCaprio, Arnold Schwarzenegger ( in his prime) and Stallone ( prime also ) are superstars.
The same goes with Nicholson,Al Pacino or Robert deniro during their prime .
Robert Downey jr is nothing in front of those
@@rijusnar1994 rdj made the character stand out, he gave it life.
He was made for that role and that's why even now, people wish he was back.
Unlike those he came later he was the one that started the mcu, with his charisma and charm he made people interested once more in that world, iron man isn't spiderman, batman, or superman. He was never the main guy in marvel but when you think of the music you think of him
Ey, man c'mon Huge Ackman is a good actor. His play's are wonderful!
We know that he’s amazing in the Prestige no doubt abt it, I feel Quentin was just giving general examples but not addressing to Hugh Jackman in particular
_Huge Ackman_
Hugh Jackman
At least you didn’t say ”Huge jacked man” I guess…
He probably meant like some other guy playing that character. Like captain america being played by different actors and so on
You spelled his name way wrong, it's Huge Jackedman
@@elopez9869 repeating jokes huh
This is the reason why Chris Evans wanted to end his role as Captain America... and good for him..he is a good actor ..has made some good choices -
Directorial debut - Before we go, was not that good but commendable.
Gifted
Snowpiercer
Sunshine
Red Sea Diving Resort
Knives Out
Defending Jacob was intense drama.
Even his role in The Gray man stole the show..
Not to forget his undisputed best role: Jake in Not Another Teen Movie
wasn't he in scott pilgrim too
He was amazing in snowpeircer..
And 90% of people will always know him as captain America. That's why hugh Jackman caved and is coming back, tried desperately to make his own identity and it'll never happen he's forever wolverine unfortunately
Never heard of any of those movies
The main thing to take away is hes not claiming the actors are bad. Just that the movie goer experience has changed and we have fallen in love with the character because thats what brought us to the movie. It doesn't matter who plays them as long as they play them well.
Yeah it has nothing to do with the actors, even someone like Robert Downey Jr. whos been in many big films outside Marvel and well before he was Iron man will still be seen as Tony Stark.
Sounds like Dwayne Johnson to me. He's the Rock in every damn movie.
Dwayne Johnson, Tom cruise, and Leo Dicaprio are the last few movie stars
@@Legend-gv2nx dwayne johnson is a bad actor lol. the likes of christian bale are much better.
Lolll
@@thefluzzer6345 he's not bad , he plays a personified version of himself and he knows how to make it likable and engaging....
@@thefluzzer6345 facts
The simple answer is that movie stars no longer guarantee a movie will be good, so people have started to stop relying on casts to determine whether they watch something.
Such is why Parasite was able to win Best Picture in an American award show.
@@stevenhetzel6483 exactly and that was a much better movie than anything Quentin has come out with in the past 5 to 10 years
Now that makes more sense.
I think it has more to do with the fact people don't idolize actors as much as they used to. That's why viewership for award shows have continually gone down over the years. The internet changed who we see as celebrities and how we view them.
@@savior-777hunting9 hateful 8 was pretty good
Keanu Reeves.
He manage to be brilliant in all his other movies after Matrix.
Speed was awesome!
What a bunch of bs
He's not a good actor, he is just the kindest and chill dude. Seriously, he suck in acting.
@@adadri7778 people are going to throw shade at you,but you're completely right
@@adadri7778 He's decent when the role fits him, like the Matrix or the Devil's Advocate, but yeah, he's not a very good actor.
I would argue that Sam Jackson and Downey Junior were movie stars before Marvel.
Rdj was a star before marvel
Obviously 😂
@@camakaze1330 You'd be surprised how oblivious some are to the obvious.
@@pensatoresenecardj is nothing without ironman
@@christaylor7916 that’s because you have only watched in those movies . I on the other hand have never watched them as I think they are overrated but I love his other movies
I think the concept of a movie star has just changed drastically
I agree, it was a stupid concept to begin with. People should focus more on the movie and the character they’re portraying rather than gawking over an actor or actress just cause they’re super famous
@@steverogers2732nah, movie stars were cool, story means nothing if you can't put butts in seats
@@AdeshMahabir1985 It was a gimmick how many times have people being burned because plus tickets are not cheap anymore. Franchises puts butt's in seats now not the actor starring in it.
I agree to a certain extent. RDJ made iron man iconic. Hugh Jackman made wolverine iconic. Ryan Reynolds made deadpool iconic. However if you’re talking about the hulk or captain america for example, then sure you could have casted someone else and it wouldn’t have changed much. In my opinion at least. Just to be clear I’m not saying Chris Evans, Ed Norton and Mark Ruffalo were bad, I’m just saying those were not ICONIC performances in my opinion.
You Lost at the Captain America part, otherwise yes true.
@@MR.GOAT. yeah I know it’s a controversial take but I just don’t think Evans as Cap is at RDJ or Hugh Jackman level. I’m not saying he’s bad, but nothing too special imo.
@@lucafusillo5987 You clearly did not watch The Falcon and Winter Soldier show then, they have a new captain america and even anthony mackie becomes the new cap after that and none of them play it as well as Chris Evans. I appreciate when they do this for this exact reason, it puts into perspective how great they did in casting Steve Rogers. Meanwhile we see Iron Man constantly get replaced because it's just another suit (Iron Heart, War Machine, Falcon, & even Peter's AI Karen that Tony made).
Agree with hulk but disagree with Captain America.
All of those Characters were iconic to begin with otherwise they wouldn't have wasted their time making a multi-billion dollar movie franchise based on them, people love forget comics were a thing and the love for them came back just recently....
I knew exactly what he was talking about. There’s only a couple of movie stars today they can put you in a seat in a movie theater and you don’t care what they’re in.
Chris Evans could be in a movie tomorrow and I could care less.
Pretty much every single one of those avengers actors wouldn’t bring me to a movie theater just because they’re in some new movie , but if you told me that Captain America, the new movies coming out, I’ll be there opening day.
LoL Nobody cares who the fuck Chris Evans even is if he's not wearing the Captain America gear. But he acts as if he was hot shit. Pratt can CARRY multiple shit and he's an good actor. RDJ is an EXCELLENT actor and he sells in whatever he does. There's a reason the Avengers had to be made in a way to make Tony the lead and the Guardians got lucky with Pratt because the guardians are fucking NOBODIES in term of fandom. It's hilarious a lot of those actors forget that people go see the character not the actor and so few of them have range outside that little niche they fell into
Yeah and it's not to say that they're bad actors, they just aren't drawing people to theatres. There are a few marvel actors that I'd consider watching movies just because of them, but not many.
There are no actors worth watching in a crappy movie.
I get the point but I think QT is jumping the gun a bit. Movie stardom is waning, and marvel isn't doing them any favors, but what about Tom Holland? that dude absolutely pulls people into theaters that they wouldn't already be going to. They're a lot harder to come by while we're all stuck in marvelland, but they do pop up sometimes
@@jasonwalker4003 i don't think tom holland is a good example....of the top of my head his animated film onward was a flop,dolittile was a flop,his film with daisy ridley was a flop,i forgot how much cherry made....so aside from his spiderman films i think only uncharted is a moderate success....i think it made 400 million Against 120 budget....so i really don't think tom holland brings as many people as you think
RDJ, William Hurt, Sam Elliott, Harrison Ford, Michael Douglas, Michelle Pfeiffer...all of them were bonafide movie stars long before Marvel.
He has a good point but it’s probably also worth noting how CBM’s are basically relying on cameos to sell tickets now. If anything an actor’s temporary absence from these movies is the biggest star. Doesn’t even matter if their movie was good, all they have to do is wait 5 years to show up again and the audience will lose their minds.
Yeah Marvel fell the fuck off. What Tarantino says here rings only slightly true.
Proof of what you're saying: Marvel is doing so shit now they're getting RDJ to come back for two cameos, likely to save whatever shitshow they come up with next.
@@stevenhetzel6483 lol he needed to come back. Have you never read a comic?
We know hes not talking about his boy Sammy😉😂😂
Lmao, that's obviously his favorite character
@@froggingunty7170 😂😂😂😂or his boy Tim Roth as well
Sammy is C list, he doesn’t even know his character exists much less him.
@@jackxiao9702 he’s had that C list actor in like 3 of his movies 🤡
Sam was a star before MCU even nick fury got based off him in the ultimate Spider-Man comics... Anthony Mackie said it himself
The irony is, this is how it should really be. The characters in a movie should be the star, not the actors. Actors should be on the same level as the people who bring those characters to life; the writer, director, costume artist, fx artist, etc. All contribute to make the character believable. So why does the actor is the only one who becones a star?
Always strange reading essay manifestos from randoms on socialmedia
Because at the end of the day as a society we value the “communicators.” The ones who take all that, and make it “work” for us the watchers/listeners/consumers. It’s the same with music. The singer gets the attention. I used to have an issue with it, but tbh I think that *is* the more rare skill. Not just being *good at singing* but really SELLING the writing but how well you interpret it. I do much prefer singers and musicians that write their own music obviously, but I believe that’s why the actors/singers/voice actor etc steal the show.
@@seewhativescene Does "longer than maximum tweet length" translate as "manifesto" to the TikTok generation?
because actors and directors are the face of it and get blamed most of the failure and loose their cariers. they also need to keep a public face not say wrong thing to not get cancel by some cultist group.their job doesnt and when movie ends , high risk high value
@@reececaldwell722take a hit song I may write. People will love the song and then there for me. The star is the song by this guy no one has heard of. Then their adoration will turn to me once they realize I can be consistent with my quality. But make no mistake about it, people love the work and then the artist. So if I kill it as Thor, that will ultimately propel the actor giving that performance. But it’s a balance of the two. What Quintin is saying makes things far too black and white. Things have always been the same, only now with more iconic characters that boost actors profiles even more from zero to star.
Some of these characters have larger fanbases than most movie stars, and have had those fanbases for decades. A movie star can't eclipse that.
@@jon8004 between Spiderman and Tom cruise I think Spiderman has more fans
@@jon8004 nope. you're taking only america into consideration. is tom cruise famous. definitely yes probably the most famous star that is recognised all over the world.
but Spider-Man or superman as characters are far more known than movie stars.
they show up in cartoons, merch . they have toys, there are games. children are exposed to these characters cery early on.
they may not know tom cruise but they definitely would know Spider-Man because they own a bag with his image on it
@@jon8004 two word Star Wars
@@jon8004 also Tom cruise is old. Tom Holland ain’t. He is the new Tom in town and he just so happens to also be a Spider-Man too 😂
@@jon8004 ew no Tom cruise is a weirdo. Always has been. Plus he still stuck on minority report
I can’t completely agree. RDJ, Chris Evans, and also Chris Pratt were seen as “perfect” for their roles and became massive stars. They’ve also successfully moved away from their marvel images and have done some incredible roles in really good movies.
Yes they are MASSIVE stars. So MASSIVE that probably besides Oppenheimer you can't name a single movie they made outside of Marvel after they get those roles. Don't confuse being famous with being a star.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 if you can’t think of or name any other movies they’ve done that’s a you problem lmao
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801knives out was pretty fire. I liked Chris Evan’s playing the antagonist in that film.
@@krulltseroth5032That wasn't a big movie. And he wasn't the lead in it. That's what am talking about back in the day someone like Julia Roberts could sell a movie no one knew nothing about just because her face was in the poster and that movie could be one of the highest grossing of the year. That doesn't happen anymore the closest thing is Top Gun Maverick with Tom Cruise. Knives Out is not even close to that.
@@hattorihonzo8340 No, that would be the *actor's* problem.
And be careful: unlike you and so many other kiddy comic book movie fanatics, I have a *very* broad range of cinematic knowledge.
A star is someone whose movies you've heard about by accident. Faye Dunaway falls into that category, ditto Meryl Streep.
Maybe they (the actors you've named) have done incredible roles in really good movies, yet that's not the same as being a star.
Robert Downey jr's what made iron man.. not the other round
Pfffttt! No, kids would've loved IRON MAN regardless. Your typical comic book movie fanatic doesn't give two shits for excellent acting.
it's weird how kids born in 2000 are trying to tell us older guys how "RDJ wasn't a star prior to ironman."
Yes he was
Those of us born in the 70's n 80's know RDJ was a star, decades before Iron man.
FULL STOP.
To be fair, he stopped being a star. He had a lot of stuff going on in his life where he ended up being uncastable and frankly forgotten. He got it under wraps, and is now more famous than he ever was. So their statements aren't completely invalid. In fact, they're more valid than not.
What he's saying is people didn't go to see Ironman because it was rdj. They saw it because they wanted to see Ironman.
Sure he was great at Ironman but nobody gave a damn if he was going to be good or bad. They just wanted to see Ironman.
Same with the rest. You don't ask people if they saw the latest movie with Chris Helmsworth. No, you ask if they saw the new Thor movie..... because the character is the star.
I was born in '79. People knew of RDJ before Iron Man, be definitely wasn't 'a star'. I knew him from Chaplin, U.S. Marshalls, and A Scanner Darkly. But he was mostly known for scandals, and said he was considering leaving the industry.
But what Tarantino is trying to get at here is something that's been going on since long before Marvel started the MCU. Hollywood started the drift away from being driven by the actors name decades ago. My friend and I have been debating about it for over 20 years because he's into the old school acting formula with theater style over-acting. He's a huge fan of Captain Kirk and Chatner. Where as, I dislike the older style and prefer to get pulled in by a believable character in the film that someone is portraying, not to see Jeff Goldblum being Jeff Goldblum in a different costume.
(That said, I do enjoy Jeff Goldblum)
Of course he was a star already, but you can deny that Hollywood didn't want him and abandoned him in the early 2000's, until he became Iron Man.
I was born in 93 but I live outside of us and people in my country only know iron man but not the actor sorry but not everyone’s American
I am loving the Tom cruise appreciation in the comment section. Hard work always pays off
If they don’t diversify their characters soon enough then they can get type cast as a superhero but I think they are able to become big stars in more movies like in the case of Chris Pratt for example.
TOUCHY/WEST24
Chris Pratt had exponential star power when he was cast from being in Guardians of the Galaxy to Jurassic World franchise. So Kevin Feige made him the disliked character for messing up the battle with Thanos in Infinity War. There on, Chris Pratt roles have been bad. Hope he resurges with The Super Mario Bros movie
@@jayoh2527nah dude terminal list was his best work yet
Type cast or not, you will constantly be getting millions.
Chrisprat I feel is an exception, they sort of reignited his career.
I mean rdj is a mega star
@@jannishansoonn Yeah he really packed the house with Dolittle...
he's basically playing Chris Pratt. he's not wearing a mask. he's saying they are all faceless. Chris Pratt was a star before being in guardians of the galaxy.
@@honkingantalopeI agree with you that he already had a career, Marvel did give him major exposure though. While he does just, "play Chris Pratt" the same way Ryan Reynolds plays Ryan Reynolds, that's kind of always been an aspect of Hollywood. People act like it's this new thing, but Fred Astaire was pretty much always Fred Astaire. Same with Schwarzenegger or Bruce Willis. The actors with crazy range who can make you forget that they're the same actor are rare gems.
Chris Pratt was not a star before Guardians. He was a dude from a TV show
Part of an actor's job is to sell a character. You invest in the character and not the actor.
Exactly, Tarantino completely evaded this point which is every actor’s job
@@steverogers2732if you know a actor is good at their job you’re likely drawn to other projects of theirs. Not the case anymore
You're arguing a subjective personal opinion just to follow a trending topic @@luizalbano2014
@@steverogers2732
So why does their movies fails at the box office? Heck even the super hero movies are failing now due of the bad writing and we got bored from the super hero genre now. Marvel and Dc failing to draw us un after endgame back in 2019, the only good movies they made in 4 years was no way home _ guardians of the galaxy 3 _ Across the spider verse and that's it.
@@ashcrimson4104 look up the actual stats before you spew verbal diarrhea.
This can be said for literally every movie in existence
No? Original movies that aren't based on existing media don't have established characters that people love and know. Why and how tf would you be excited for a brand new character that you don't even know💀
@@oess855But that's not entirely what he's saying, I believe. I think you could say Tom Holland is a star, but I think most people only saw him in Spiderman. They went to see Tom Holland for Spiderman, but I'm sure a lot of people would go see a different movie now because Tom Holland is starring in it? I don't understand Tarantinos criticism here, if it is criticism.
It's not that hard.
When you see Thor in another movie, you don't Say "look! It's Chris hemswort!!" Instead you say "look! It's Thor!!"
When top gun was out, everyone called Tom Cruise for his name, because the actor was the star, not the character. The same goes for Harrison Ford. Everyone called him Harrison Ford, not Han Solo or Indiana Jones. That's because they had so much talent than an actual Chris hemsworth (man his other movies sucks for example)
@@fullor9395 Cabin in the woods is pretty cool
@@jossenoynaert6071The criticisms is exactly that. If Tom Holland was a star we could make original movies and those movies could become hist just because he is a star but he is not so his only option is playing flops or preexisting IPs so original movies go under the radar because there are no stars attached to itm
*I agree.... to an extent. Scarlett Johannson and Chris Pratt have managed to achieve pretty impressive success outside of Marvel, and don't forget Brie Larson was already an Oscar-winning actress before she was in talks with Marvel. The character becomes popular but only if the actor is well-cast.*
brie's stock tanked after captain marvel
He's not talking about whether or not Marvel actors have found success outside the franchise, he's talking about how no one goes to see a Johansson movie or a Pratt movie just because of the actor. And this is true, I mean how many people saw Ghost in the Shell just to see Scarlett Johansson's performance? I mean, that movie was a complete flop. Sure, she's been in great movies, like JoJo Rabbit and A Marriage Story, but the audience saw those films despite Johansson being in the movie, not because of her.
Johanson was a star before making Marvel movies.
@@BOZ_11Yep, Captain Marvel destroyed her image.
Actors come and go but characters live forever and it's not only with Marvel or comic book superheroes adapted to films.
Like James Bond,over the years many actors played the character.
Sometimes characters and the actor's persona become so intertwined people also recognise them as that character,like RDJ.
You're missing the point. This isn't how it used to be, and that's Tarantino's point.
No
True
Yes, so we are going to watch the dame characters over and over to the end of times. I can't wait for the 5th reboot of Spiderman. Next Tom Holland movie? No I don't want that.
Note that he didn’t mention RDJ or Ruffalo, cause they have some chops, they can do other characters, but some of the marvel cast are just those characters, especially that Thor guy…
Even then whenever those actors try to branch out in another franchise, it never does anywhere near an MCU film does. RDJ did that Dr. Doolittle remake immediately after Endgame and it flopped, because people don't see an MCU film for RDJ, they see it for RDJ as Iron Man. The quality of the film is more important than who's in it now. Of course, there are some exceptions. Ryan Reynolds and Tom Cruise are probably the only true "movie stars" left, where their consistent output makes their films a reliable watch.
@@circular_entropy3455 well obviously even if it was Sherlock Holmes, it would fail in comparison to MCU, marvel is a giant and even someone as RDJ is just a part of the puzzle, however as an actor he has a descent range, especially In comedy. Unlike that Hemsworth is literally selected as an embodiment of Thor, based on his physicality, voice and looks, yes he can act on emotion, but he has 0 range, he won’t be able to pull off a serial killer, or a lawyer, a cancer patient or a Cleese level comedy character, he has no character acting chops, if you give him a cameo or a supporting part, he wont be able to be interesting, other than “oh that’s that Thor guy” and about Tom, he’s one of the best character actors out there, even though he’s a bit stuck in action, don’t forget he’s a 3 time Oscar nominee and he got robbed for Magnolia, he and RDJ were the main reason that made Tropic Thunder slap.
Some of actors in marvel are just those characters, especially Capitan America and Thor…
@@circular_entropy3455
That movie flopped bc it was a bad movie. Not bc of RDJ. Find me an example of a bad movie that does well just bc of the actor - any actor.
Actors sell tickets, sure, but if the movie itself is bad, no actor can save it.
@@Kapparillo exactly… look at the cast of Movie 43… it felt like they were blackmailed to participate in that movie… actors can sell tickets for the first weekend, then if a movie can’t carry itself, it’s doomed…
Watch Extraction
This should be seen as a positive in theatre. We want to see great characters, not the stars behind them.
No because then the acting doesn't matter... just the power of the franchise, the popularity of the brand.
@@murdockqotsa I'd rather quality characters over A list celebs.
@@traviscue2099 you're missing the point but that's ok. There can only be one colonel Kurtz like Brando played in Apocalypse Now. But there are how many different Spiderman?
@@murdockqotsa I'm not missing the point. I love seeing new actors in new series that I don't know.
It's weird how entitled you are as a mere fan speaking for an entire globe's worth of audiences @@traviscue2099
Christian bale makes his point. The marketing shifted how consumers digested their choice of entertainment. You used to watch because the good actors where in it.
I don't know, I mean, people didn't watch Dolph Lundgren movies for the great acting.
@@davidwuhrer6704 What do you mean? Dolph Lundgren movies were never popular.
@@rustincohle2135 That there is such a category as "Dolph Lundgren movies" makes my point.
As a child, I was obsessed with superheroes. As an adult, not so much.
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Clearly he's wrong or these people wouldn't be doing other massively successful movies. Chris Pratt in the Jurassic world movies, Chadwick Boseman in 21 bridges, Chris Hemsworth in Extraction, Jeremy Renner in the Bourne movie and Mayor of Kingstown, Chris Evans in Knives out and Grey Man.
They're obviously great actors and are doing a lot more than just Marvel.
This doesn’t disprove his point. He’s not saying that these actors don’t still get cast in big movies, just that they themselves aren’t a draw for audiences the way that past movie stars have been.
@@pieceofwheat Again, that's not true. They are the draw a lot of the time. That's the reason most people went to see the movies I listed is because of the main actor.
@@R3fug333 I would have to disagree with you about that. Obviously Tarantino knows infinitely more about the movie business that either of us, so I would tend to take his word on these things.
@@pieceofwheat Lol what? Sure, he knows how to make a good movie, but that doesn't mean he's right about everything. If he said "The Godfather is a bad movie" would you agree with him just because he made more movies than you? What an odd way of thinking.
People went to see jurassic world because its a Legendary franchise whether or not Chris Pratt is in it makes no diffrences...so just by your First example you are wrong.
Chadwick boseman in 21 bridges ? How many in a box office ? How many people saw it ,is it as much as any black panther movie in term of money ?
Jeremy renner made one bourne movie and it didnt work as well as Matt damon bourne trilogy ?
Again does knives out and the gray man are movie who does as much as captain America ?? Of course not , so chris Evans is only a Superstar when he's captain america.
I think you didnt understand what Tarantino was saying 😂
I think RDJ is the only one of them who actually gives a real performance as an actor.
Samuel L Jackson?
Benedict Cumberbatch?
Yep, I had not thought of it that way, but QT nailed it.
No, he didn't.
Chris Evans.
Chris Hemsworth.
Robert Downey Jr.
Scarlett Johansson.
Mark Ruffalo.
Tarantino needs to stfu and go look at feet pics.
@BongSabre what are you gonna do if tarantino doesn't STFU?
@@BongSabreyah, he’s painting all the actors from marvel movies with the same brush. The phenomenon he’s referencing has existed for decades. There are some actors whose character are more well known than they are. This is nothing new.
Absolutely right. There's a difference between an iconic actor and an iconic character. Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Sandra Bullock and Tom Cruise and a whole lot more isn't specifically tied to just a single famous character but their whole reputation and entertainment presence that made them big.
Scarlet Johansson, Anthony Hopkins, Cate Blanchet, Samuel Jackson. Yeah, they were nobodies before. Lol
That’s not what he saying. You confusing famous with stardom.
A classic typecasting definition
This clip should be edited together with that "Billy on the Street"-clip when he's joined by Chris Evans who they introduce to a dude on the street who has no idea who he is and starts walking away until Billy says "Captain America?!" and the dude just freaks out and turns around like "oh shit" as Billy goes "TOO LATE!"
yeah its like when i was watching 8 mile i was all like "holy shit where tf did falcon come from" 😭
This give me hard Jim cornette vibes
Who still remembers Pampiro Firpo, who booked the screwjob in Montreal...
Leo DiCaprio Tom cruise and Henry cavil are movie stars to me. I like them in most of their films
Tom Cruise is a cool guy, but Tom Cruise is always only ever playing Tom Cruise, guy has zero range, not really. I like Cruise because he's a cool dude, but I'm not going out of my way to watch a Cruise movie. But I will keep an eye open for RDJ movies, in the same way I keep my eyes open for something with Pacino in it, even though that guy's ancient. Scent of a Woman and Devil's Advocate were just splendid. But DiCaprio? Definitely an excellent actor, Cavill? He's good. But his range either seems to be kind-hearted jock or brooding stoic warrior.
@@julianmcmillan2867 u haven’t seen him older films bro. Obviously rn he is just doing mission impossible and some side stuff
@@zeken0425 I have seen his older films. I knew Tom Cruise before Mission Impossible. Not a bad actor, but also doesn't really have alot of range. He really just plays himself, that is, when he isn't playing a loverboy.
I for one do not cry over a reduction in celebrity culture
It's changed from celebrating talent to celebrating a multi-billion dollar franchise, I'm a marvel fan but it's true that the way things used to be was probably better
@@drbanana1535Nah if anything, it's better for us, the audience, now than it was then. Before studios could bank on a big name celebrity like Schwarzenegger or Stallone to sell whatever movie they wanted, regardless of its quality. But now, the characters they're working with have pre-established fanbases, and have had them for decades. If the actor portraying the character isn't good enough or doesn't fit the role, people won't be distracted by their name alone, they'll also look at their actual performance/talent
@@Unknownigen well many big names only get big because of their talent. I feel like with superhero movies we don't really care if the actor is good or not, because we came to see the superhero, not the performance. It doesn't matter if Tom Holland is a good actor or not, because either way we're going to the theatre to watch spiderman and are going to judge the movie on its story and fanservice, not the acting quality
You know.....there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It helps the audience stay captivated in the world of the film and be fully immersed. If you're suddenly aware of a famous actor/actress in a role, that will momentarily take you out and back into reality for a few seconds. It ruins the flow of immersion
You are one of those chosen children that doesn't know there's a real like actor playing his favorite character he's watching on screen... I got bad news about Santa and the tooth fairy, for you too, little Man...
The guy playing wolverine is a hell of an actor sir.
Jackman is, absolutely. But you prove his point. What hit movies has Jackman had that AREN'T Wolverine or Xmen- related?
@@kenjisparks les miserables
You're missing the point. Kids didn't go see the first Xmen because of Hugh Jackman. They went to see the characters.
@@kenjisparks he was amazing in prisoners,the prestige,real steels and van helsing.Maybe the greatest showman as well
@@kenjisparks😂 bro even if I give you the list.. you won't agree with me.. but just for your sake.. prestige and prisoners
If Chadwick was still living, he definitely would've become one of the biggest if not the biggest star to come out of Marval.
Except most of us will go and watch a Chris Evens and Hemsworth movie. We like these characters because the actors who play them.
So in the past year I have asked About 8 different people who are actually movie fans about Chris Hemsworth and they had no idea who I was talking about until I told them the "its the thor guy"... Where is if you ask somebody who Tom Cruise or the rock is they know exactly who you're referring to... Sure these actors have developed small little micro fan basis.. But by-and-large Tarantino is absolutely right here
@InshaneMedia I personally don't know anyone who doesn't know the name.
I have never heard of a Chris Evan movie going phenomenally good in the box office other than captain America
Lmao where were you for Chris Evans’ “Before We Go?”
$483,938 at the box office. Ouch.
Chris Evans & Chris Hemsworth are not known outside of the MCU.
Idk if I agree with this one. Some MCU actors are definitely movie stars bigger than just their marvel characters
No, like we all saw what happened with Dr dolittle
There isn’t one that is a star. Even RDJ isn’t attracting people to his films just because he’s in it
Even RDJ ain't shit anymore. He's basically Cillian Murphy's side character now. Which I can understand Murphy is a better actor. So maybe MCU is just telling us which actors just aren't that good. Unless your Anthony Hopkins who is just doing it for the money
You do realise that rdr had an extensive career before iron man? He's still extremely watchable, he doesn't need to work because he earned ridiculous money being a superhero. I'm looking forward to Sherlock Holmes 3.
The only movies i saw of RDJ other than iron man was Sherlock Holmes and he literally played tony stark init. Plus was not a great sherlock movie
The thing about the MCU is that almost every actor they cast was already a huge star to begin with, and that what made the Avengers so special.
Whenever I see these clips I think this is the definition of Old and Out of Touch. He made some iconic movies take the dub, but some talking down on these wildly successful movies
It’s called typecasting and it’s been around forever. Granted it’s easier to do in a massive franchise where they put on a superhero suit. But there have always been actors who were had a small range in Hollywood, sometimes by choice and sometimes because that’s the only role they could get.
RDJ got to shine as a MOVIE STAR in Oppenheimer
That movie was so boring
@@charliehauser7671 lol
@@charliehauser7671thank you finally someone whp understands the movie is just oscar bait
Either way, I'm not falling for non-fictional war propaganda justifications @@xtrwombat4876
@@xtrwombat4876If it were Oscar bait, the movie would have portrayed the dropping of the atomic bomb as a positive thing
"people went to see Sandra Bullock's mediocre movies cause they wanted to see more of her!" the only reason I watched Lucy in theaters was because ScarJo had such a big role in Captain America TWS that she hooked me with how entertaining she was in a dramatic role
He’s actually got a point.
The people who go see the Marvel movies are not people who will go see Chris Evans or Chris Hemsworth in other things. They go to watch the character they play.
They go to the MCU films to watch the superhero, not the actor.
Nothing against Chis Evans, he’s a great actor who plays in some good films, but his name doesn’t get people in seats. Neither does Chris Hemsworth.
Funny thing is I’ve had to tell people who he is by saying, he played Captain America. “Oh… yeah, he was in Knives Out. I didn’t remember his name but I knew he was the guy who played Captain America.”
Quentin just discovered type-casting.
That is not the point here, Arnold for example is absolutely typecast a lot and he is a star.
This doesn't have to do with anything that was being said. Take an L.
@@zoomingbyit does. You just don’t get it.
There's truth to that, as how the hell did spider man no way home earned 2 billion dollars as the overall plot was so lame and stupid as hell. But that worked coz every one was hyped for other spidermen to come
Shut up
Exactly... That movie worked only because of the nostalgia factor and nothing else!! The plot was so fuckin lame,it might've been one of the worst MCU movies out there...
It worked because of tobey maguire and Andrew Garfield as spiderman.
Because of their characters
At the same time, movies have always drawn inspiration or complete stories from books or real life events. So, the reason they do so well is yes, it's our comic book heroes and villians brought to life. But, it's also that it usually has great casting and we want to see that actor/actress play the role.
This is why people do Leo Dicaprio, Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves, Tom Cruise, etc even Nolan, Tarantino, Fincher Movie marathons! Because they want to see their Stuff. Not 'many' people do RDJ, Chris,Hemsworth etc. marathons.
People who are disagreeing and saying mcu skyrocketed their career n shit didn't even get the point. And you cant say majority of the mcu chars were stars before MCU coz for starterd I Never knew them before marvel and many other people will agree. Some of you may have but that doesn't make them stars. Does it mean they cannot be stars? Ofc not. Theu just have to do more movies that catches attention
The story should be the star.
Characters make stories and franchises.
The actors bring the characters to life. No one can think of a better Tony Stark than RDJ. Or Captain America than Chris Evans.
Sorry Quentin, but you can’t just undermine the performances because you don’t like the movies.
But there is truth to what he’s saying. Take Stallone for example. He was able to bring two iconic characters to life with Rambo and Rocky, but he was so big of a star…he made tons of other films that people wanted to see that had nothing to do with his most famous characters. He made Cobra, Lock Up, Tango and Cash, Demolition Man, Cliffhanger, Daylight, Cop Lamd, and now his fourth Expendables movie. His career has spanned almost 50 years! Only time will tell, but most likely the only star of Marvel that will have that long of a career is RDJ, but even Hemsworth will fall by the way side. He’s great, but after Thor…he’s not really doing much except Netflix movies and I like him as an actor. He’s no Stallone though.
To be fair, whoever saw Anthony Hopkins as anything other than Hannibal Lecter after SOTL? I'm mean, typecasting is a real thing.
Chris Evans, Chris Pratt, Zoe Saldaña, Kurt Russell, Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, Tom Holland, RDJ, Anthony Mackie, Benedict Cumberbatch... and that's just Marvel.
Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa, Ben Affleck and Kevin Costner from DC.
I'd say that they're movie stars.
And you’d be wrong. Hence most of them have had many major flops since marvel and DC hired them.
All 3 of the chris's have been in many additional films since their marvel breaks, as well as tom holland and bautista. Tons of people go to movies just for hemsworth. Scarjo, rdj, renner, sam jackson, martin freeman, paul rudd and cumberbach were already stars and continue to be. He is just upset that these movies can make more money than films that actually have something to say. Its nuts to say they aren't stars. Most of them draw crowds just from their name and half the cast were already stars before their mcu appearance
Additional roles but none of them as successful as their Marvel roles because they are not the stars their characters are. Recently RDJ said Ironman destroyed his reputation, Antony McKee said a similar thing to Tarantino about movies stars and everything Tom Holland has done besides Spiderman has floped.
Also many of the actors you mention were already famous before Marvel.
Most of the people you mention were already famous before Marvel. Also all of them have done work after Marvel but none of that work has been as successful as their Marvel movies because they are not the stars their characters are. Everyone wants to see Tom Holland in Spiderman but anyone wants to see him in Cherry.
Robert Downey Jr was definitely likeable as both Sherlock and his character in Tropic Thunder though.
He was a star before iron man though. He was already a very well known proven actor. After he got in trouble iron man just reignited his career,
Why choose wolverine at the end? Hugh Jackman is immensely famous. like 1 of the few major exceptions with another example being robert downie jr.
“Keanu reeves isn’t a star, Neo is.” Bruh
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You mean Ted "Theodore" Logan?
He talks about Marvel movies and you use Matrix as your example? At least stay on topic
I mean even after 24 year later people link keanu with the matrix, now it's john wick for the newer audiences. Look at the first john wick box office it made like just 80 million now look at the fourth movie made 436 million, and many people go to watch john wick kick ass.
And to make my point clear in 2013 keanu starred in 47 ronin and failed at the box office making 150m at the box office on 170m budget, in 2015 right after the first john wick movie he starred in a movie called knock knock it was really bad one alsp bombed at the box office making 6.3m. He made a couple of bad movies in between like repilicas and bill & ted face music, none of them are good, the only good movies it did good was his john wick movies
for me the 70s-90s is the time for real World Stars. Arni, Sly, Willis, Murphy, Pacino, De Niro etc....
Personally, I think the only movie star that was very famous before making any marvel movie was Robert Downey, Jr.
I'm all for marvel slander but this not even remotely true
Chris Evans played Johnny Storm in the original Fantastic Four movies, if you might remember.
We won’t go into the non-starring roles like Jeff Bridges, Tommy Lee Jones, or Natalie Portman, to list a few. Admittedly, RDJ was famous for his Heroin-Boy saga, as well as being one of the best actors of his generation.
name one movie pre-Iron Man. I'm a fan of his acting but even I don't know him that much in other movies. If anything he's being wasted
less than zero,back to school.
I see what he's getting at. OGs have a different perspective of "cinema" compared to younger folks we just see them as movies
Awe what a terrible shame that people who say lines of dialogue that other people write are no longer put on pedestals in our society... Oh the humanity!!!
Nowhere did he say that celebrities should be put on pedestals. He's just stating facts about how things have changed over time. And you also fail, apparently, to see the deleterious effect of what a loss of star power means for movies and budgets and cinema; and it's not a good thing. And simmer down, not everything has to be turned into a social justice issue.
The character should be the focus… he writes characters, he knows this.
A few exceptions still exist. Robert Downey Junior, Scarlet Johansson, Tom Cruise, Johnny Depp, Mathew McConaughey, Margot Robbie, Willem Dafoe, Nick Cage, Pedro Pascal are just a few names that come to mind that can still carry a movie
I got to know who Robert Downey Jr. is through Iron man movies. I've got to know Tom Holland, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Prat, Chris Evans, Ryan Reynolds. All those have amazing movies in other genres as well.
And still. Did you watched Tom Holland on others movies outside of Spiderman? Most likely not. They are famous but they are not stars.
"Everyone fell in love with Sandra Bullock"
Speak for yourself Quint
You’re crazy, she was adorable 😂
She commanded 20 million a movie not because Quintin was in the minority for liking to watch her in movie theaters...
Characters should be more important than actors.
For you
@@seewhativescene No that is just reality.
Yes and no actors shouldnt be held down to one franchise they still need unique roles.
For example christian bale he is like a shape shifter he can sell the actual characters and not play himself in each role.
The main things that sucks is if a movie star is only playing the same character or role in every film instead of taking risks.
I prefer great characters to movie stars. I think Tarantino is just talking from nostalgia, watching the digitalization and depersonalization of cinema. But it's just change.
Tarantino is in the wrong here. The actors made the characters stars. Just take a look at the previous hulk movies. Mark Ruffalo made Hulk a star, even Edward Norton couldn't do it. And yeah what RDJ has done with Ironman will be part of history.
To be honest after watching the actors in Avengers I went all out trying to catch up on the movies of them. That's how I found out Chaplin and I was intrigued to watch Foxcatcher. And yeah I watched X men and Nolan Batman before I went ahead with Prestige.
So to write them as not movies or by reducing the actors as "non stars" I feel it is petty on his part. Same goes for Martin Scorsese. It is like bigwigs of silent era dismissing the success of talkies.
Yes, they are just old dudes that can't understand the brilliance of Antman Quantumania, Madam Web and Morbius.
As it should, no mortal deserves the power of a star. They can't handle that power and ends up becoming a pedo.
sooo dumb you are
Nobody becomes attracted to kids lol u gotta be sick in the head first
The only thing more tired than super hero movies is directors giving their negative takes on super hero movies.
It's true. I watched Miss Congeniality because I like Sandra Bullock. I can't think of a single movie I've watched because one of the Marvel actors starred in it. I like a lot of the Marvel movies too
Tarantino has a real god complex
Oh absolutely he does. All of the Marvel actors have great careers besides the Marvel stuff and even Disney is toning it down with the releases.
Quinton is at the end of his career, and is doing what old cranky men do. Bitch about young men succeededing.
Absolutely, he never gets checked and his fanbase is somewhat toxic so it pumps his ego even more. Anytime someone challenges Tarantino he just raises his voice, yells explicitly, and hurls insults. Great film maker, but def has unchecked god complex.
@@lawnprinter300 let’s not forget about the epstein flight logs either, dude’s fucked and I personally hate the dude. Good movies but that don’t redeem him
Scorsese and Tarantino are SOOOOO damn jealous! 😂
Of what?
That's right. Why would they bother about this and talk about it so much? Literally no other director or writer does this.
We don’t want to see our characters get taken away from us like Captain Rodgers or Iron man, etc. The fact that they took them away from us hurts me deeply. Chris Helmsworth-Thor won’t be matched. Chris Evans Captain America won’t be matched. Robert Downey He’s Iron Man won’t be matched. Yet they are scripting them off for reasons unknown. Yet, they scratch their heads as to why they are losing millions. It’s because they are taking these characters away from us, especially the actors/actresses that play them.
Man RDJ and Tom Hiddleston these two real star
mcu has had kurt russel tilda swinton, michael b jordan, anthony hopkins , josh brolin, benedict , rdj, scarlet Jo, cate blanchett, and also marshala ali and vincent donfrio jon bernthal soon,
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He's so right, too. This used to be understood after what happened to Michael Keaton, but I guess they'll figure it out again.
Toby McGuire as Spider-Man, he’s the star, I can’t see anyone else play that part. Both can exist
yeah but these actors are playing hugely popular and loved characters that have been around for 30 years before their careers even started, characters who have an entire life of deep backstory, not just written for the movie in 6 months..
I think people wanted to see Wolverine to begin with, but then it became that people wanted to see Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.
The rest i completely agree with
Double edged knife. It also means directors and studios can't put out hot garbage and expect a return based on the star power of the actors involved.
Spoiler alert, they’re releasing garbage based on the characters that are starring in it
A good example of an actor portraying a character correctly is joker. Phoenix did a fantastic job with his role is a solid film that could essentially be considered a character study. It's dark and gritty obviously more tuned for mature audiences. Marvel has good actors, and the roles are fitting, but with how they handle plots the main focus is what can the character add to the actor not vise versa while maintaining a kid friendly record to garner the attention of children and therefore the parents who fall in line.
That's oversimplifying it, if you put any other actor in those roles it won't work. Just ask any 90s or 00s actors who played those characters and were very unsuccessful. Does anyone remember Ed Norton as Hulk, and Reb Brown as Captain America?
RDJ and Sam Jackson are legit stars as well not just Thor and Captain America. Their all great.