Fun fact! In some versions, Odysseus's mom saw the storm that happened in the ocean saga, and believed Odysseus to be dead, so she walked into the water to be with him
@@willwatts6733 "Your little high and mighty Odysseus claims to love his mother but let her die of a broken heart". There we go. Also... "Odysseus, when you come home I'll be waiting". She seems like someone determined to see it through and see her son again, not like she has given up hope and committed suicide.
@area52ron to be fair, it was probably right either way. If Odysseus didn't change, the suitors would have forced it. So it was either Odysseus or the suitor and Odysseus' actions would determine which it would be.
This is sick, I love it Especially with my headcanon that Polites didn't always have a philosophy of "greet the world with open arms", but after he saw the carnage of the Troy war he chose to step away from violence and chose a life of pacifism
Sad fact: The spirits of the dead do not want to tell Odysseus something. Jorge revealed during the live that what the spirits are saying is actually their last thoughts before they died. Which makes it even sadder since Polities died still thinking optimistically and Odysseus' mom died waiting for him. Another sad fact: Odysseus' mom did not die because of old age, but because of grief and longing for Odysseus. Odysseus didn’t know she died because he adventured too far for "12 long years".
I read that one of the versions said that she saw them when they where near Ithaca and then the wind took them away. She thought they died, so she, in her sorrow, drown herself in the Ocean to be with her son.
Spoiler Wall (for the Underworld Song) __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fun/tragic fact about Odysseus' encounter with his mom in the Underworld: In book 11 of the Odyssey (the underworld chapter), when he sees his mom he tries to hug her three times, but is unable to because she is a ghost
And something just to make yourself happy I guess? Odysseus actually saw the ghost of Herakles (Hercules) in Hades. Just hanging out. This actually conflicts with the fact that in later stories when Hercules was ascended to godhood and stays in Olympus instead.
The fact that what the souls sing what they felt as they died is even more heart breaking. -His soldiers died feeling scared/betrayed calling out for their captain (like they did in Ruthlessness). -Polities died still feeling positive and wanting to help Odysseus feel better. -His mother died waiting for Odysseus to come back home. 💔💔💔💔
@@toasterofdoom9629 I suppose this is what the story will go with since in the snippet of aphrodites song she says "Your little high and mighty odysseus claims to love his mother yet let her died of a broken heart"
It’s so interesting how people interpret things differently. I always interpreted the line “a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer you” to mean that Odysseus does get home, but he’s changed so much that he’s virtually unrecognizable. And with the next song being “Monster”…
also calls an interesting definition of the prevalent line of "when does a man become a monster". Why are those two definitions mutually exclusive to Odysseus?
That was also my first thought and right after, a man with a trail of bodies, I thought about the chief of the suitors (Idk why I can't remember his name rn) but then immediately I thought about Odysseus again. I think the line 'palace covered in red' was what led me to this conclusion because the man with a trail of bodies comes after the slaughtering of the suitors so they're already all dead. Even though Tiresias doesn't care about timeline I feel like putting the lines in that order support this hypothesis.
I took that meaning too, especially coming off of Keep Your Friends Close where he insisted he was still the same and Odysseus having to change to survive has been a central theme.
(If you don't want information about the original Odyssey don't read this) Well in the original work, the Odyssey, Odysseus does get back home no longer looking like himself, since, in order to get into Ithaca undercover, Athena transforms him into an elderly homeless man, only his dog, Argo, manages to recognize him! So he's both spiritually changed and also visually changed, meaning that Tiresias could've both meant to say that he's not going to be the same man he was when he departed, or that he's going to look different, and so it will be no longer him!✨
2 fun facts that have to do with the video and are not spoilers: 1. The music that plays while Odysseus's mom is singing is at it's core the same that plays when Odysseus sings, confirmed by Jorge 2. Odysseus started with 600 men. The combined body count of Polythemus and Posideon left him with 43. But 600-43 is 557, so why is it 558 men when he gets to the underworld? Well, one dude named Elpenor fell off the roof of Circe's palace and died, but in both the actual Odyssey and Epic, he's forgotten about. It's just a subtle nod to him.
and in the Odyssey they notice only because they find him there and Odysseus is like "wtf are you doing here? You took less on foot than we did on our ship!" And Elpenor says "I mistook the roof for the stairs and I broke my neck, please come back to Circe's island and bury me, PLEASE REMEMBER ME"
“I took too long” is the lyric that made me tear up the most. It’s just the realization of his mom dying that hits me. I also take it as a sign that if his mom already has died, then he has to get back to Penelope and Telemachus now before he misses his chance with them as well. Everything leading up to Monster just strengthens the impact when it finally plays and it’s amazing!
"All i hear are screams" Because that's what he wants to hear. He's fine with people blaming him and yelling at him. He doesn't want to hear Polites gently singing his motto. He doesn't want to hear his mom's soft voice saying how much she loves him. He wants to be hated and punished, he doesn't want to hear that they believed in him until the end. So all he chooses to hear are screams
Just when you think the infant reminder and the soldiers are enough, Polites comes in with a gutpunch. And when you think that's it, here comes Anticlea with a steel chair
FACTS! Like, when I first heard this I was like, "Oh, Polites, that's sad," then BAM, Odysseus's mother comes in, SUNG BY JORGE'S OWN MOTHER, and I'm just bawling my eyes out
Fun fact( at least I think): the spirits in the underworld can’t actually see Odysseus, the spirits in the river Styx are actually just reliving and rethinking their last thoughts and moments, the crew begging for his help and wishing he just slayed the cyclops, Polites holding on to hope till the end, and Odysseus mom waiting for a son that would never arrive, when I heard that I was like ‘Yeah that packs a little punch 😢’
Let's add that in versions of Greek mythology the reason why they relive their last thoughts is also because when they are there they are in a trance where they relive their last moments.
Gigi and wolfy are my favorite animators, so here to hoping you see Gigi's "monster" (she absolutely did and incredible job, like, it may be tbe best epic animatic i have seen )
Yesss, I also highly recommend! I know he has already listened to Monster, from the thumbnail I assume he was there for the premiere and recorded it (or watched a recording of the premiere xD) but for a patreon re-listen it would be really cool.
If i remember correctly, in ancient Greece they believed that the People who didnt get a proper Buriel, their Souls were doomd to swim in the river Styx, living in the last moments before their deaths.
Yeah that echoes with remember them, none of the dead soldiers got a proper burial... Although I imagine that even though Ithaqua was probably already plagued with the suitors when Ody's mom died I don't think they would have prevented her from being burried
Actually, as someone pointed out she died by her own hands. But there was no burial because she died in the same storm that killed the soliders. Odyssey's ship was so close to the shoreline that she saw them. And when a godlike storm came and dragged her son away, she assuming he was dead. So she jumped into the water from the cliff, i believe, and died to join him in the underworld. She had spent 10 years waiting for him and she decided she would join him
@@cid_of_krebsI don't think this version of Anticlea died by suicide. if this is her final thoughts before death, she sounds like someone determined to stay alive and keep waiting until she sees her son again, and not someone who lost hope
I personally love how when Odysseus finally sings after his Mom's segment, he screams so much he actually drowns out the Ghosts of the Underworld. "All I hear are screams", but they're his own.
"Fun Fact" that Jorge gave us during the livestream to "help" use feel better: The people in the underworld are singing their final thoughts. So his men's last thoughts were about how he should have killed the cyclops, Polities' final thoughts were about how he didnt want his death to harden Odysseus and wanted him to continue to greet the world with open arms, and His mom died thinking about waiting for him to come home.
Also “a man with a trail of bodies” could be about Odysseus and the monster he has become, or about a certain other character from the Odyssey I will not say
@@C0mput3-wouldn’t it make more sense for the trail of bodies to be all the men he’s lost or the suitors he’s killed? Either one could fit because he’s gotten them all killed in one way or another
Fun fact: the “all I hear are screams, every time I dare to close my eyes, I no longer dream” was supposed to be a callback to a now cut song in the Troy Saga called “Ismarus”
Oh, i thought it was a reference to when Odysseus dreamed of his wife and home in the storm saga There he dreamed of the future but bc he could see hope but now he can't dream anymore with the screaming of his man's
@@VictoriaStarratt thanks! I'm gonna check it out. I absolutely love epic the Musical, but I don't use tiktok or anything, I just see the songs and reactions on RUclips, so I usually miss all the fun background information unless someone mention it on reacts
Spoilers for both the Odyssey, and apparently for later events of the musical, which I myself have not encountered. The Prophet in the Odyssey: Tiresias: "Yes, I have the information you want in order to get home safely." Odysseus: "Wonderful! What is it?" Tiresias: "You will have to get through Scylla and Charybdis, then you will find yourselves on an island with Helios' cows, which you must not kill, after which you're home free." Odysseus: "That is honestly pretty good news! The monsters will be tricky, but I am sure not even my crew are stupid enough to kill one of Helios' cows after being told not to, right Eurylochus McMoron?" The Prophet in this musical: Tiresias: "Yes, I have the information you want in order to get home safely." Odysseus: "Wonderful! What is it?" Tiresias: "On second thought, nah, you're completely doomed. You'll probably get betrayed, and if you even get home, you will have gone from 'reluctantly evil' to 'so evil you are not even you anymore', so there is no point in me giving you any specifics, get lost." Odysseus: "Oh. That sucks, I guess I am evil now. At least I still have my (second) best friend, Eurylochus McMutineer, who will surely help me through it!"
To be fair, in the musical it sounds like Eurylochous’ mutiny is more reasonable considering that Odysseus makes multiple questionable decisions and constantly shrugs him off for seemingly little reason.
I was expecting No Longer You to be cool and interesting, I was expecting Monster to be a bop. I was not expecting The Underworld to be my favorite song of the saga, maybe my favorite of all of Act One. I love the emotion present in it as Odysseus sees all those he's lost, and I just can't help but love it.
The background chorus in “No Longer You” are saying things but the community is still trying to piece it together! 😭 Also I would say think more about his prophecy they don’t talk straight so his words can have more meanings then just one hope this helps ^ ^
The man with trail of bodies, in case anyone is confused? Is Odysseus. The prophet is saying he will no longer be himself by the time he gets home. He will become a man who is haunting. As immediately shown by the flash of rage by the snarl of "Who!?". Which, at the beginning, he would not have done.
10:30 If you listen closely, there are literal screams behind the vocals mixed in the instruments. I like to think Odysseus and his men are doing the "Only nightmares..." line while screams of the drowned continue in the distance
Fun fact: Tiresias was blinded by Athena because he saw her bathing. His mother a nymph of Athena begged to restore his ability to see the physical world. But instead Athena gave Tiresias the gift to see the future. So... what Tiresias saw was Odysseus' possible future on what he has to do in order to go home. Sorry for my bad English. It is my third language.
It always amuses me when people from other countries apologize for having bad English because it’s their second/third language, but they actually have better grammar than the vast majority of native English speakers I know.
I know this will be lost in the comments. But Fun facts ! Anticlea (Ody's mom) actually killed herself upon receiving a fake letter saying her son was dead. Out of grief she wanted to join her son in death and threw herself off a cliff. Also if im right, what his mom and Polites said were their last thought before their death. Fun facts indeed :D
With 'No Longer You', what Tiresias (pronounced 'Ty-re-seeus but it's weird ancient greek spellings so I get it) is essentially saying is that Odysseus, as he is now, trying to follow Polites' advice and show mercy and clemency to people, will not be the man who gets home. The man who makes it home, and by extension the man with Penelope, will still physically be Odysseus, but his values and morals will have been so damaged by what he's done to survive the journey home that he'll practically be a different person
Spoilers for the original Odyssey, which may or may not be spoilers for Jorge's interpretation: In the Odyssey he is not even physically Odysseus as he was transformed at the time. He does change back, but when he gets home he is in a different body. So there is both a mental/metaphorical meaning and a physical meaning to that line. Layering the meaning of the prophecy like that is brilliant if Jorge is going to maintain that element of the Odyssey.
A couple things. 1) Mortius. Buddy. Guy. My dude. I just want to say thank you so much. Just...thank you for being who you are and living the life you've lived that's led to you doing reactions to Epic. I was there during this livestream and it honestly moved me. And because of your passion and your level of insight into this craft, I get to relive that. You're quite literally a gentleman and a scholar. 2) 20:52 After this album dropped, Jorge put out one of the funniest tiktoks I've ever seen, a joke he said he's been waiting for ages to tell people. The audio is from 'No Longer You' and the text onscreen reads as follows: I see your wife with a man who is haunting A man with a trail of bodies *Odysseuys imitates an angry owl* WHO?! XD I just had to share that. Jorge is too good for us; we do not deserve him.
When you'll be showing the Underworld song to Casper, I heavily recommend the animatic by TheeArteest, the Polites and Oddyseus's mom's parts just hit so hard with those visuals. As does the Infant part, for that matter. The finest Trauma Fuel in all of Classical Greece. For the No Longer You, I found the animatic by Gwendy | NSD2 Studios to be absolutely excellent as well. And of course, Gigi's Monster is just phenomenal!
It is so interesting to see Mortius react to 'No longer you'. He said from the beginning that he does not know the Odyssey front to back. I do and in this instance I add might add, I do sadly, because for me there never was any doubt about what Tiresias was talking about. Seeing Mortius mirror Odysseus's confusion is great, because my first reaction was like 'Odysseus, come on, it is not so hard to understand AND the prophet said it twice AND he said specifically, that he sees PAST and FUTURE, so how are you not getting it?"
@@Ana-rf5cuThe prophet is basically telling Odysseus that he will be the one to make it home, but from everything that he has had to do to survive, he's practically a different person than from when he left for war
At 20:57 After Odysseus shouts his question *"WHO???!"* Tiresias repeats the lyrics he used to describe *Odysseus.* Basically answering his question; Odysseus himself.. But at that time, Odysseus had no idea.. and was still confused.. And Tiresias telling Odysseus at the last sentence "It's no longer you." Basically telling him that it is no longer Odysseus when he gets home, or basically he changed?
look at how the harmony on "waiting" with Odysseus' mom is reminiscent of the harmony on "Penelope is waiting for me" with the crew in full speed ahead which is also referenced at the start of the underworld song.
“That didn’t hurt as bad as I thought it would” Wait till you find out all the lines the ghosts are singing were the last thoughts they had before they died 😂
Fun little easter egg that Jorge revealed in a short is that when the souls say: "558 men who died under your command" You might notice that it doesn’t match the "43 left under your command" from Ruthlessness. That’s because one guy died during the Circle saga by getting drunk and falling of the roof and nobody noticed. The dude was supposed to appear in the underworld song but got cut out cause it kinda didn’t match the mood. Now how he's a funny forgotten easter egg. Amazing job with the reaction! Keep it up, you're amazing!!❤❤❤
"what is the chorus singing?" WE FREAKING KNOW RIGHT?? I translate Epic for the russian fandub, and this chorus is a literal nightmare, because Jorge straight up laughs at any attempt at decoding the damn things and doesn't disclose the truth. like man, please, I am crying and shaking here, how am I supposed to rhyme this stuff if I don't even know what the hell those lyrics *mean* 😭😭😭
It has been confirmed by Jay that only one of those lines are correct, if I had to guess I think it would be King of Blood cuz (Spoilers btw) in the God games snippet while Athena's having this Divine sibling rivalry with Ares she says "To get back to his homestead he'll make everybody *bleed* " then we've got low and behold the song ✨King✨
During ‘The Underworld’, the souls were incapable of interacting with the living. Plus, to add some more heartache, they’re singing their final thoughts before they died
The prophet is actually singing about Odysseus when he talks about the man by Penelopes side and with a trail of body, as the song Monster hints at. To get home he need to embrace the ruthlessness Poseidon preached and when the prophet said the palace was covered in red and with faces of men who thought he was dead he's litterally telling Ody that he'll get home, just not how he is right now.
“I see a nam who gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer you.” means that Odysseus changed during the journey. He is no longer the person he was before Polites’ death. He is no longer the person he was before the Trojan war. Oh, and Tiresias is supposed to have a blank face the whole time. The man Tiresias is referring to is either Odysseus (he killed a lot of people) or Antinous, a guy from the Odyssey who basically wanted to marry Penelope, so he and his friends hung out in front of the palace trying to break in, probably r@pe Penelope, kill Telemachus, and take over.
But Monster is just about Odysseus crossing his last line and really embracing his inner monster he denied so far. I do agree that the "It's not longer you" part of the song is about Ody changing, but "A man who is haunting could be fitting to Antonious as well, since he haunts Penelope and Telemachus. @@tetragaming6332
There is a " warrior of the mind" WIP Animation by Space Bar. It's playing in "just a man" and I think it fits perfectly for 'I keep thinking 'bout the infant from that night' and how his actions are hunting him so much that they are screaming at him in this saga. I can not wait to seeing your reaction.
You're a MONSTER for making us wait for Monster! But ok, anyways-btw! Even though you said that you were worried to react to it with animatics because they would take long, guess what? The first animatic for The underworld came out 26 MINS AFTER RELEASE! (Just like they say: "The devil works fast but Epic fans work faster") If you ever think of seeing animatic of it, i TOTALLY recomend you Ximena's No longer you and, of course, the queen, Gigi with Monster🖤
I saw so many amazing pieces for monster!!! Even though Queen Gigi holds a special place in my heart I feel like the artistic community just got a shot of inspiration with this song!!!
Something I thought of about No Longer You is that "past romance" could also be interpreted as "passed romance" in reference to Circe and/or [redacted for spoiler] as romances Odysseus passed up on in order to stay faithful to Penelope. This hasn't been confirmed and might not be intended but I think it's neat because prophecies in Greek mythology are typically vague(and because I'm way too obsessed with Percy Jackson).
Technically in the Odyssey, he didn't really "pass up" on them, but well you could say that because the second one was a relation where he wasn't in control of himself it wasn't consensual so it wasn't a real relations so it's not cheating. But while there was a real mad power imbalance between Circe and Odysseus i dont really remember if in the Odyssey it was also non-con, and therefore he was faithful to his wife on that point, or if it was consensual idrk. All that to say that it's not really like exactly that in the Odyssey, like that fact that Odysseus has a lot more of moral dilemnas in EPIC with the infant for example, or like PJO is with greek mythology in general, but there are a lot of greek myths with multiple interpretations of the same ones so yeah in adaptating (especially for children like pjo) choices are made
Oh man, cant wait to see your reaction to this! :D Also, I want to recommend the band The Mechanisms to you! They have a cabaret or musical-esque story telling music style, where their albums basically bring you on a journey and are definitely recommended to listen to the albums in the order that they have on their YT. And the albums have really fun concepts! Like western arthurian tales, fairytales in space, greek myths with a twist, as well as one about norse mythswith an eldritch crossover, which is my favorite! I really enjoy their music not just for the sound, which while not professional has a very earnest and raw sound, especially at the first album. But also for the lyrics and the story being told throughout the album, which I think would be perfect reaction material for you!
"I see your wife with a man who is haunting, a man with a trail of bodies" is odysseus because tiresias saw a future where odysseus got home clinging to poseidon's 'ruthlessness is mercy' philosophy, and killed all of penelope's suitors. this is also portrayed on "I see your palace covered in red, faces of men who had longed believed your dead" where men = suitors who wanted the throne because they believed oddysseus was ded
Spoiler: As for the no longer you part, that would be because Odysseus returns to his home disguised as a beggar, so the man who returns home is someone entirely different in the eyes of those who see him.
@@AndrewSmith-nj8zh That was my understanding. That it was layered, both metaphorical and literal with several interpretations. 1. A possible path that mayhaps has been diverted 2. Someone who was emotionally/mentally changed by their journey 3. A vision of someone who literally does not go by the name of Oddysseus (in a similar vein of "my name is Nobody") Etc.
Fun fact! (21:46) The lyrics are: Siren song, Scylla throat, Mutiny, Lighting bolt, Run from Po-seidon, KILL ALL THE SUITORS FOR LOVE. Most of them were confirmed by Mr. Jalapeño! (Jorge)
I believe that after this, you are going to check Jorge behind the scenes on his chanel, cool, but if you want to check those and see the future sagas blind, reading the titles help a lot, "warrior of the mind behind the scenes" "wouldn't you like behind the scenes" "how i made the music for [insert name of a song that already came out]" then it's cool
11:12 if it makes you feel better, the river to underworld is the river Acheron. The river Styx is river of oaths, connected to the goddess Nyx. So if the baby’s soul is anywhere, it would probably be in Acheron, assuming it hasn’t reached its destination.
@@officialmortius that's a cyclops, not a human. I don't think it's meant to be a spoiler, so I'm comfortable in hinting that this man is someone who we've already learned the name of
@@pixlv6384 Mortius figured it out. The emoji at the end of his reply was to indicate that he was speaking in jest. (That is, he doesn't actually think it's Polyphemus but that made for a good joke since he did, technically, also leave a trail of bodies.)
I think what the prophet meant with "no longer you" was that Odysseus changed or is changing and when he gets home he is no longer the man he used to be. And I also saw people having the theory that the man with a trail of bodies standing besides Penelope is supposed to be Odysseus in the future.
Mortius: //after listening to Polites// "Honestly, that didnt hurt as much as I thought it would.." me: Oh sweet sweet summer child. :( *cues in WAITING~*
tiresias' prophecy has a lot of double meanings and can apply to a few different events to come! as a huge odyssey and epic fan it's been fun seeing people's theories and interpretations when they have nothing to go off of but the info tiresias gives, just like odysseus :)
Polites' chorus hurts more when you realize that he died thinking the cyclops would spare them by "greeting the world with open arms" solidifying that open arms only leads to more death
In the end of no longer you the chorus is singing “siren song, Scylla throat, mutiny, lightning bolt” then it’s something like “run from Poseidon” or “Ahhh! Poseidon,” and then “kill all the suitors for love”
As soon as the "Waiiiting~" I always get all chocked up. Remembering those I've lost. Almost losing my dad to a heartattack and stroke back to back. And the pain when Odysseus screams after, i love this story so much
Fun fact that I don’t think I saw in the comments so far: the bell chimes on the line “I keep thinking of the infant from that night” match the lullaby motif in the first song. Also, love your facial reaction to the “waiting” line!
I genuinely can’t not cry every time I hear the part with Ody’s mom. It is so heartbreaking. Literally just started thinking about it again and started getting teary eyed and got choked up.
Fun fact the spirits are hinting what will/has happened in the next saga. The words they are saying are: Siren Song, scylla throat, mutiny, lightning bolt, Poseidon and kill your suitors for love
Having read the Odyssey for a class, seeing your interpretation of No Longer You (my favorite song of the whole musical so far btw) is very interesting. It also makes the small changes Jorge makes super fun to pick out and pick apart as to why.
21:46 "What are they saying back there?" If you still want to know i'll put it here, SPOILERS FOR THE THUNDER SAGA !!! / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / "Siren Song Scylla throat Mutiny Lightning bolt" We don't know what the other part is yet, Mr Jalapeno said it will be revealed once the later sagas are released!
11:07 regarding whether the infant is in the Underworld or not… listen carefully to the bells ringing in the background of The Underworld, then think back to the Horse and The Infant. Hear sth familiar…? 🙃
I don't care when you recorded the video, things like editing take time and you have other stuff to do that takes priority, cool. Love the videos, love the vibe of the premier, love the community. Thanks for all the updates 👍
I don’t know if you’re going to react to animatics since you’ve already listened to the songs but if you do I hope you check out Gigi’s Monster animatic! It’s absolutely stunning!!
(I have no idea if this is true, this is just a theory not spoilers) Pretty sure when Tiresias says he sees a man getting home who is no longer Odysseus, he means that it is Odysseus, but he's changed so much that it's "no longer him". The man with the trail of bodies IS Odysseus after returning home. The trail of bodies is all the people he's killed/lost. Odysseus doesn't understand this and that's why he yells "WHO?!" Also slight spoiler under "Read more" This is kinda backed up by the next song "Monster".
People have been saying the choir chant in ‘No longer you’ is ‘Siren Songs! Scylla Throat! Mutiny! Lightning Bolt! Po-sei-don!’ Which a lot of this happened in the Thunder Saga. If you see this I hope it helps. 😁 love your reactions to Epic!
Both of these songs are definitely the most “wow” like when I first listened to them I was astonished. And Mason’s vocals are absolutely like gut wrenching idk how to explain it. They’re so good. Also with Tiresias I actually didn’t think of that at first. I completely thought that what Tiresias meant by “no longer you” is that “oh hey you could go home alive to your wife and son if I help you. But that isn’t going to happen because I’m not going to help you.” Typa thing yk?
Fun fact! In some versions, Odysseus's mom saw the storm that happened in the ocean saga, and believed Odysseus to be dead, so she walked into the water to be with him
YOU ALL NEED TO LEARN WHAT A FUN FACT IS. NONE OF THESE ARE FUN 😭😭😭
@@officialmortius sorry mortius we've been corrupted by Jorge's definition of fun facts about Epic :)
Welp, at least Jay didn't go for that
@@composeyourself3that we know of!
@@willwatts6733 "Your little high and mighty Odysseus claims to love his mother but let her die of a broken heart". There we go. Also... "Odysseus, when you come home I'll be waiting". She seems like someone determined to see it through and see her son again, not like she has given up hope and committed suicide.
"That didn't hurt as much as I thought it would"
... Mortius, seconds from being introduced to Odysseus's Mother
Mortius right after:no, no, no, no, no.
I cried when Odysseus's mom sung and the sadness in his voice 🥺😭
That part honestly wasn’t that bad for me until I saw the animatic and I cried for 3 full fluffin’ minutes
Mr. Jalapeño: "I hope you bulletproof, for this about to HURT"
It's even worse when your mom almost died the same way his mom died, with the same Son thing and War
Odyseuss : “who?!?!”
Athena : “that’s my champion alright “
Im pretty sure the prophet was referring to odysseus
@The_Hunted sir, you are correct, but it's him looking different. You have to learn the Odyssey to know
Bro became an angry owl
@@The_Huntedyeah and the prophet could have worded that differently because if I was Odysseus I would have taken that literally as well
@area52ron to be fair, it was probably right either way. If Odysseus didn't change, the suitors would have forced it. So it was either Odysseus or the suitor and Odysseus' actions would determine which it would be.
Can you imagine if the animatics had Polites singing his part to the infant?
Yes, FBI? This person right here, they’re a danger to humanity
This is sick, I love it
Especially with my headcanon that Polites didn't always have a philosophy of "greet the world with open arms", but after he saw the carnage of the Troy war he chose to step away from violence and chose a life of pacifism
Absolutely devastating!
Especially since polites is singing in a quieter tone, almost like he's soothing a child ❤
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Sad fact: The spirits of the dead do not want to tell Odysseus something. Jorge revealed during the live that what the spirits are saying is actually their last thoughts before they died. Which makes it even sadder since Polities died still thinking optimistically and Odysseus' mom died waiting for him.
Another sad fact: Odysseus' mom did not die because of old age, but because of grief and longing for Odysseus. Odysseus didn’t know she died because he adventured too far for "12 long years".
SOBBING CRYING THROWING UP
Twelve long YEAAAARS!
I read that one of the versions said that she saw them when they where near Ithaca and then the wind took them away. She thought they died, so she, in her sorrow, drown herself in the Ocean to be with her son.
@@Two_Faced_Yanzhikit wasn’t actually 12 years tho, right? I’m pretty that was a mistake that Jorge caught too late.
@@willwatts6733 I know. That's why I put 12 long years in quotation marks. I wanted to add a little bit of humour after I mentioned the sad things.
"I died, and nobody noticed, I died and nobody cared"
- Drunk Elpenor
Elpenor, when did this happen? When did you meet your despair?
"I drank wine from a chalice, on top of Circe's palace"
"And fell and broke my neck in shame"
@@omarsalem1219 "But what do you care? So many deaths happen under your reign!"
"But what do you care? So many deaths happen under you reign!"
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Fun/tragic fact about Odysseus' encounter with his mom in the Underworld: In book 11 of the Odyssey (the underworld chapter), when he sees his mom he tries to hug her three times, but is unable to because she is a ghost
And to add to it, how she died... like just damn. My soul is hurt by this saga everytime.
I've already past that chapter(I'm on nearly the end)but that still hurts me
Thanks, I hate it!
AGH FUCK I DIDNT GET TO THAT YET HOW DARE YOU 😭
And something just to make yourself happy I guess?
Odysseus actually saw the ghost of Herakles (Hercules) in Hades. Just hanging out. This actually conflicts with the fact that in later stories when Hercules was ascended to godhood and stays in Olympus instead.
The fact that what the souls sing what they felt as they died is even more heart breaking.
-His soldiers died feeling scared/betrayed calling out for their captain (like they did in Ruthlessness).
-Polities died still feeling positive and wanting to help Odysseus feel better.
-His mother died waiting for Odysseus to come back home.
💔💔💔💔
His mom committed suicide because she thought he was dead and wanted to reunite with his son. She did.😊
@@sup9441 that's one of the stories. another, she just died of a broken heart.
I’ll say 1 of you is right (for how she died in Epid), but I won’t say which one because of spoilers
When i heard that "waiting.." i was spooked because i remembered that penelope had that part too for future song so i was like "WHY ARE YOU HERE?!" 😂
@@toasterofdoom9629 I suppose this is what the story will go with since in the snippet of aphrodites song she says "Your little high and mighty odysseus claims to love his mother yet let her died of a broken heart"
It’s so interesting how people interpret things differently.
I always interpreted the line “a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer you” to mean that Odysseus does get home, but he’s changed so much that he’s virtually unrecognizable. And with the next song being “Monster”…
That's how I've interpreted it as well.
also calls an interesting definition of the prevalent line of "when does a man become a monster". Why are those two definitions mutually exclusive to Odysseus?
That was also my first thought and right after, a man with a trail of bodies, I thought about the chief of the suitors (Idk why I can't remember his name rn) but then immediately I thought about Odysseus again. I think the line 'palace covered in red' was what led me to this conclusion because the man with a trail of bodies comes after the slaughtering of the suitors so they're already all dead. Even though Tiresias doesn't care about timeline I feel like putting the lines in that order support this hypothesis.
I took that meaning too, especially coming off of Keep Your Friends Close where he insisted he was still the same and Odysseus having to change to survive has been a central theme.
(If you don't want information about the original Odyssey don't read this)
Well in the original work, the Odyssey, Odysseus does get back home no longer looking like himself, since, in order to get into Ithaca undercover, Athena transforms him into an elderly homeless man, only his dog, Argo, manages to recognize him! So he's both spiritually changed and also visually changed, meaning that Tiresias could've both meant to say that he's not going to be the same man he was when he departed, or that he's going to look different, and so it will be no longer him!✨
2 fun facts that have to do with the video and are not spoilers:
1. The music that plays while Odysseus's mom is singing is at it's core the same that plays when Odysseus sings, confirmed by Jorge
2. Odysseus started with 600 men. The combined body count of Polythemus and Posideon left him with 43. But 600-43 is 557, so why is it 558 men when he gets to the underworld? Well, one dude named Elpenor fell off the roof of Circe's palace and died, but in both the actual Odyssey and Epic, he's forgotten about. It's just a subtle nod to him.
To make it better, the joke is that he isn't even acknowledged by the songs themselves either
and in the Odyssey they notice only because they find him there and Odysseus is like "wtf are you doing here? You took less on foot than we did on our ship!" And Elpenor says "I mistook the roof for the stairs and I broke my neck, please come back to Circe's island and bury me, PLEASE REMEMBER ME"
@@mariannachierici2944 Well that's f*ckin haunting
“I took too long” is the lyric that made me tear up the most. It’s just the realization of his mom dying that hits me. I also take it as a sign that if his mom already has died, then he has to get back to Penelope and Telemachus now before he misses his chance with them as well. Everything leading up to Monster just strengthens the impact when it finally plays and it’s amazing!
"All i hear are screams"
Because that's what he wants to hear. He's fine with people blaming him and yelling at him.
He doesn't want to hear Polites gently singing his motto. He doesn't want to hear his mom's soft voice saying how much she loves him.
He wants to be hated and punished, he doesn't want to hear that they believed in him until the end.
So all he chooses to hear are screams
just rip my heart out atp
Why did you ever write this, im sobbing 😢😢😢
Is it a bad sign that I can relate?
@@missvnuna3623 YES
@missvnuna3623 idk, I do too :(
Just when you think the infant reminder and the soldiers are enough, Polites comes in with a gutpunch. And when you think that's it, here comes Anticlea with a steel chair
FACTS! Like, when I first heard this I was like, "Oh, Polites, that's sad," then BAM, Odysseus's mother comes in, SUNG BY JORGE'S OWN MOTHER, and I'm just bawling my eyes out
Fun fact( at least I think): the spirits in the underworld can’t actually see Odysseus, the spirits in the river Styx are actually just reliving and rethinking their last thoughts and moments, the crew begging for his help and wishing he just slayed the cyclops, Polites holding on to hope till the end, and Odysseus mom waiting for a son that would never arrive, when I heard that I was like ‘Yeah that packs a little punch 😢’
Let's add that in versions of Greek mythology the reason why they relive their last thoughts is also because when they are there they are in a trance where they relive their last moments.
"That didn't hurt as much as i thought it would"
- famous last words
Gigi and wolfy are my favorite animators, so here to hoping you see Gigi's "monster" (she absolutely did and incredible job, like, it may be tbe best epic animatic i have seen )
Yesss, I also highly recommend! I know he has already listened to Monster, from the thumbnail I assume he was there for the premiere and recorded it (or watched a recording of the premiere xD) but for a patreon re-listen it would be really cool.
@@LoreCatanhe has in fact reacted to jays livestream and will react to animatics later
It's definitely my favourite animatic
Yes
Yes
IM SORRY MASONS COMMENTS THROUGH OUT THE WHOLE THING- 😂 “I’ve been editing for a hour” “what do you what😒” “it’s been 17 days can I go home” LIKE- 😂😂
Conspiracy theory: we didn't get Monster because Mason went on strike (and back to his own family hopefully, it's been twelve long years)
@@draeonic 👀
The fact that odysseus didn't know his mom was dead until he saw her down there is heartbreaking
If i remember correctly, in ancient Greece they believed that the People who didnt get a proper Buriel, their Souls were doomd to swim in the river Styx, living in the last moments before their deaths.
Yeah that echoes with remember them, none of the dead soldiers got a proper burial... Although I imagine that even though Ithaqua was probably already plagued with the suitors when Ody's mom died I don't think they would have prevented her from being burried
Someone in the comments reminded that his mom actually committed suicide so maybe she couldn't get funerals for that reason
Actually, as someone pointed out she died by her own hands. But there was no burial because she died in the same storm that killed the soliders. Odyssey's ship was so close to the shoreline that she saw them. And when a godlike storm came and dragged her son away, she assuming he was dead. So she jumped into the water from the cliff, i believe, and died to join him in the underworld. She had spent 10 years waiting for him and she decided she would join him
@@cid_of_krebsI don't think this version of Anticlea died by suicide. if this is her final thoughts before death, she sounds like someone determined to stay alive and keep waiting until she sees her son again, and not someone who lost hope
‘Please don’t tell me there’s just a little baby soul floating along the Styx or something’
Me: oh it’s about to be so much worse, hang on just a sec.
I personally love how when Odysseus finally sings after his Mom's segment, he screams so much he actually drowns out the Ghosts of the Underworld.
"All I hear are screams", but they're his own.
Oh, shit. Wow, that got me.
"Fun Fact" that Jorge gave us during the livestream to "help" use feel better: The people in the underworld are singing their final thoughts. So his men's last thoughts were about how he should have killed the cyclops, Polities' final thoughts were about how he didnt want his death to harden Odysseus and wanted him to continue to greet the world with open arms, and His mom died thinking about waiting for him to come home.
polites: this life is amazing
*+999 emotional damage*
Fun little fact: the lyrics of the souls in the underworld are their final thoughts before they died
Another fun fact is that the animatic parts of No Longer You the animator was given references for the animation by the man himself
Also “a man with a trail of bodies” could be about Odysseus and the monster he has become, or about a certain other character from the Odyssey I will not say
@@C0mput3-wouldn’t it make more sense for the trail of bodies to be all the men he’s lost or the suitors he’s killed? Either one could fit because he’s gotten them all killed in one way or another
“Fun little fact” this just makes it worse- 😭
@@RW5583.I think you're correct. He murdered everyone there because they were b*tches. I won't say more to spoil other people just in case
Fun fact: the “all I hear are screams, every time I dare to close my eyes, I no longer dream” was supposed to be a callback to a now cut song in the Troy Saga called “Ismarus”
Nice to know that! Do you know what that song was about?
Oh, i thought it was a reference to when Odysseus dreamed of his wife and home in the storm saga
There he dreamed of the future but bc he could see hope but now he can't dream anymore with the screaming of his man's
@@maiarafigueiredo1418 my brain isn’t braining rn, but BigEpicGuy69 has a comp of all the cut songs, and Ismarus is the first one
@@VictoriaStarratt thanks! I'm gonna check it out. I absolutely love epic the Musical, but I don't use tiktok or anything, I just see the songs and reactions on RUclips, so I usually miss all the fun background information unless someone mention it on reacts
@@maiarafigueiredo1418 Jay has a RUclips channel, and from what I understand (I don’t have TikTok either) it’s very similar to his tiktok
Spoilers for both the Odyssey, and apparently for later events of the musical, which I myself have not encountered.
The Prophet in the Odyssey:
Tiresias: "Yes, I have the information you want in order to get home safely."
Odysseus: "Wonderful! What is it?"
Tiresias: "You will have to get through Scylla and Charybdis, then you will find yourselves on an island with Helios' cows, which you must not kill, after which you're home free."
Odysseus: "That is honestly pretty good news! The monsters will be tricky, but I am sure not even my crew are stupid enough to kill one of Helios' cows after being told not to, right Eurylochus McMoron?"
The Prophet in this musical:
Tiresias: "Yes, I have the information you want in order to get home safely."
Odysseus: "Wonderful! What is it?"
Tiresias: "On second thought, nah, you're completely doomed. You'll probably get betrayed, and if you even get home, you will have gone from 'reluctantly evil' to 'so evil you are not even you anymore', so there is no point in me giving you any specifics, get lost."
Odysseus: "Oh. That sucks, I guess I am evil now. At least I still have my (second) best friend, Eurylochus McMutineer, who will surely help me through it!"
Eurylochus "Last name" you gave are hilarious XD
McMutineer is genius 😂
The name you give Eurylochus are so funny
To be fair, in the musical it sounds like Eurylochous’ mutiny is more reasonable considering that Odysseus makes multiple questionable decisions and constantly shrugs him off for seemingly little reason.
Okay, talking about Eurylochus in the comments is a bit spoilerly, so I hope Mortius doesn't read these
I was expecting No Longer You to be cool and interesting, I was expecting Monster to be a bop.
I was not expecting The Underworld to be my favorite song of the saga, maybe my favorite of all of Act One. I love the emotion present in it as Odysseus sees all those he's lost, and I just can't help but love it.
Same, same
Fr
The background chorus in “No Longer You” are saying things but the community is still trying to piece it together! 😭 Also I would say think more about his prophecy they don’t talk straight so his words can have more meanings then just one hope this helps ^ ^
“Siren song, Scylla throat, mutiny, lightning bolt, Poseidon, and kill all the suitors for love”
The man with trail of bodies, in case anyone is confused? Is Odysseus. The prophet is saying he will no longer be himself by the time he gets home. He will become a man who is haunting. As immediately shown by the flash of rage by the snarl of "Who!?". Which, at the beginning, he would not have done.
I think you should probably but a spouler warning for that. Some people might not put that together, so you'd be ruining the plot twist
@@Cataly_elyis it a spoiler when the source material is centuries old?
@@Intotheabyss1988 yes because not everyone who listens to the musical sees/saw the source material
This is media literacy not spoilers.
That "NOOOO!!!" was everything.
How dare you make us wait for Monster. You monster
When does a man becomes a mosnter? For Mortius it was at the end of this video lol
@@DarkErrantnah dude it was the last one when he forced someone else to go through polites death-
And Mortius’s villain origin story continues
I guess in the end, he has become the monster rawr rawr rawr
10:30 If you listen closely, there are literal screams behind the vocals mixed in the instruments. I like to think Odysseus and his men are doing the "Only nightmares..." line while screams of the drowned continue in the distance
Fun fact: Tiresias was blinded by Athena because he saw her bathing. His mother a nymph of Athena begged to restore his ability to see the physical world. But instead Athena gave Tiresias the gift to see the future. So... what Tiresias saw was Odysseus' possible future on what he has to do in order to go home.
Sorry for my bad English. It is my third language.
It always amuses me when people from other countries apologize for having bad English because it’s their second/third language, but they actually have better grammar than the vast majority of native English speakers I know.
@@scorpioblueeyes7388 I'm not that confident in myself.
I know this will be lost in the comments. But Fun facts !
Anticlea (Ody's mom) actually killed herself upon receiving a fake letter saying her son was dead.
Out of grief she wanted to join her son in death and threw herself off a cliff.
Also if im right, what his mom and Polites said were their last thought before their death.
Fun facts indeed :D
I didn't remember that! Thank you for reviving my memory and aggravating my pain :D
We've all completely lost our mind haven't we?...
@@cid_of_krebs Fr i started crying at Odysseus' mom's song and it wasnt even my first time hearing/watching it
Who the heck sent that letter?!
With 'No Longer You', what Tiresias (pronounced 'Ty-re-seeus but it's weird ancient greek spellings so I get it) is essentially saying is that Odysseus, as he is now, trying to follow Polites' advice and show mercy and clemency to people, will not be the man who gets home. The man who makes it home, and by extension the man with Penelope, will still physically be Odysseus, but his values and morals will have been so damaged by what he's done to survive the journey home that he'll practically be a different person
Spoilers for the original Odyssey, which may or may not be spoilers for Jorge's interpretation:
In the Odyssey he is not even physically Odysseus as he was transformed at the time. He does change back, but when he gets home he is in a different body. So there is both a mental/metaphorical meaning and a physical meaning to that line. Layering the meaning of the prophecy like that is brilliant if Jorge is going to maintain that element of the Odyssey.
I don't often link secondhand sadism to culinary arts but this is going to be delicious.
Fr
Are we evil?
@@omarsalem1219 Yes.
@@omarsalem1219 why are you questioning this?
@@omarsalem1219 More like
What if we’re monsters?
@@IlieTornesWe are the monsters rawr rawr rawr
A couple things.
1) Mortius. Buddy. Guy. My dude. I just want to say thank you so much. Just...thank you for being who you are and living the life you've lived that's led to you doing reactions to Epic. I was there during this livestream and it honestly moved me. And because of your passion and your level of insight into this craft, I get to relive that. You're quite literally a gentleman and a scholar.
2) 20:52 After this album dropped, Jorge put out one of the funniest tiktoks I've ever seen, a joke he said he's been waiting for ages to tell people. The audio is from 'No Longer You' and the text onscreen reads as follows:
I see your wife with a man who is haunting
A man with a trail of bodies
*Odysseuys imitates an angry owl*
WHO?!
XD I just had to share that. Jorge is too good for us; we do not deserve him.
Don’t forget the “I am the monster rawr rawr rawr 🦖”
"Siren's Song, Scylla's Throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt, Whirlpool, Poseidon, Kill all the Suitors for Love" are the background vocals lol
There is something magical about family harmonizing, it hits so deeply. My earholes love it so.
When you'll be showing the Underworld song to Casper, I heavily recommend the animatic by TheeArteest, the Polites and Oddyseus's mom's parts just hit so hard with those visuals. As does the Infant part, for that matter. The finest Trauma Fuel in all of Classical Greece.
For the No Longer You, I found the animatic by Gwendy | NSD2 Studios to be absolutely excellent as well.
And of course, Gigi's Monster is just phenomenal!
It is so interesting to see Mortius react to 'No longer you'. He said from the beginning that he does not know the Odyssey front to back. I do and in this instance I add might add, I do sadly, because for me there never was any doubt about what Tiresias was talking about. Seeing Mortius mirror Odysseus's confusion is great, because my first reaction was like 'Odysseus, come on, it is not so hard to understand AND the prophet said it twice AND he said specifically, that he sees PAST and FUTURE, so how are you not getting it?"
Hi, would you mind spoiling it for me? I haven't read the odyssey but I really want to know what he means.
@@Ana-rf5cuThe prophet is basically telling Odysseus that he will be the one to make it home, but from everything that he has had to do to survive, he's practically a different person than from when he left for war
Heads up Gigi did a great animatic for the final song in the saga “ Monster“
@mortius you trickster! No Monster today? You really are in your villain arc.
At 20:57 After Odysseus shouts his question *"WHO???!"* Tiresias repeats the lyrics he used to describe *Odysseus.* Basically answering his question; Odysseus himself.. But at that time, Odysseus had no idea.. and was still confused.. And Tiresias telling Odysseus at the last sentence "It's no longer you." Basically telling him that it is no longer Odysseus when he gets home, or basically he changed?
This song will DESTROY him, and he won’t recover from it for a while.
I still haven't, and I listened to it the night it came out.
look at how the harmony on "waiting" with Odysseus' mom is reminiscent of the harmony on "Penelope is waiting for me" with the crew in full speed ahead which is also referenced at the start of the underworld song.
“That didn’t hurt as bad as I thought it would”
Wait till you find out all the lines the ghosts are singing were the last thoughts they had before they died 😂
i like the part where mortius said "it's mortin' time" and then morted all over the place
Fun little easter egg that Jorge revealed in a short is that when the souls say: "558 men who died under your command" You might notice that it doesn’t match the "43 left under your command" from Ruthlessness.
That’s because one guy died during the Circle saga by getting drunk and falling of the roof and nobody noticed. The dude was supposed to appear in the underworld song but got cut out cause it kinda didn’t match the mood. Now how he's a funny forgotten easter egg.
Amazing job with the reaction! Keep it up, you're amazing!!❤❤❤
"what is the chorus singing?" WE FREAKING KNOW RIGHT?? I translate Epic for the russian fandub, and this chorus is a literal nightmare, because Jorge straight up laughs at any attempt at decoding the damn things and doesn't disclose the truth. like man, please, I am crying and shaking here, how am I supposed to rhyme this stuff if I don't even know what the hell those lyrics *mean* 😭😭😭
I hope by the end of all the sagas he finally gives us the chorus’ lyrics 😭
20:39 “ One of us is secretly an owl.”
Odysseus “ 🦉 who 🦉.”
“That’s the thing Odysseus we don’t know wh- WAIT JUST A MINUTE ODYSSEUS IS THE OWL!!!!!!
small appreciation comment for the editor
your great :)
Silent halls. King if Blood. You can be. Nothing more. Running through Silent halls [back round Spirits I think]
It has been confirmed by Jay that only one of those lines are correct, if I had to guess I think it would be King of Blood cuz (Spoilers btw) in the God games snippet while Athena's having this Divine sibling rivalry with Ares she says "To get back to his homestead he'll make everybody *bleed* " then we've got low and behold the song ✨King✨
@@ITZ_Y0U They are singing: Siren song. Scylla throat. Mutiny. Lighting Bolt
During ‘The Underworld’, the souls were incapable of interacting with the living. Plus, to add some more heartache, they’re singing their final thoughts before they died
The prophet is actually singing about Odysseus when he talks about the man by Penelopes side and with a trail of body, as the song Monster hints at. To get home he need to embrace the ruthlessness Poseidon preached and when the prophet said the palace was covered in red and with faces of men who thought he was dead he's litterally telling Ody that he'll get home, just not how he is right now.
“I see a nam who gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer you.” means that Odysseus changed during the journey. He is no longer the person he was before Polites’ death. He is no longer the person he was before the Trojan war.
Oh, and Tiresias is supposed to have a blank face the whole time.
The man Tiresias is referring to is either Odysseus (he killed a lot of people) or Antinous, a guy from the Odyssey who basically wanted to marry Penelope, so he and his friends hung out in front of the palace trying to break in, probably r@pe Penelope, kill Telemachus, and take over.
Wait, is Jorge put this bit in the musical, than the line "A man who is haunting" would make more sense if it is Antinous!
It's definitely Odysseus, the title of the next song gave it away
But Monster is just about Odysseus crossing his last line and really embracing his inner monster he denied so far. I do agree that the "It's not longer you" part of the song is about Ody changing, but "A man who is haunting could be fitting to Antonious as well, since he haunts Penelope and Telemachus. @@tetragaming6332
@@missvnuna3623that was still Odysseus though, that part of the line meant that Odysseus was hunting down Penelope's suitors
I think it makes more sense if its odysseus since hes a monster now
There is a " warrior of the mind" WIP Animation by Space Bar. It's playing in "just a man" and I think it fits perfectly for 'I keep thinking 'bout the infant from that night' and how his actions are hunting him so much that they are screaming at him in this saga.
I can not wait to seeing your reaction.
You're a MONSTER for making us wait for Monster! But ok, anyways-btw! Even though you said that you were worried to react to it with animatics because they would take long, guess what? The first animatic for The underworld came out 26 MINS AFTER RELEASE! (Just like they say: "The devil works fast but Epic fans work faster")
If you ever think of seeing animatic of it, i TOTALLY recomend you Ximena's No longer you and, of course, the queen, Gigi with Monster🖤
I saw so many amazing pieces for monster!!! Even though Queen Gigi holds a special place in my heart I feel like the artistic community just got a shot of inspiration with this song!!!
Something I thought of about No Longer You is that "past romance" could also be interpreted as "passed romance" in reference to Circe and/or [redacted for spoiler] as romances Odysseus passed up on in order to stay faithful to Penelope. This hasn't been confirmed and might not be intended but I think it's neat because prophecies in Greek mythology are typically vague(and because I'm way too obsessed with Percy Jackson).
Technically in the Odyssey, he didn't really "pass up" on them, but well you could say that because the second one was a relation where he wasn't in control of himself it wasn't consensual so it wasn't a real relations so it's not cheating. But while there was a real mad power imbalance between Circe and Odysseus i dont really remember if in the Odyssey it was also non-con, and therefore he was faithful to his wife on that point, or if it was consensual idrk.
All that to say that it's not really like exactly that in the Odyssey, like that fact that Odysseus has a lot more of moral dilemnas in EPIC with the infant for example, or like PJO is with greek mythology in general, but there are a lot of greek myths with multiple interpretations of the same ones so yeah in adaptating (especially for children like pjo) choices are made
0:11 we feel you.
Oh man, cant wait to see your reaction to this! :D
Also, I want to recommend the band The Mechanisms to you!
They have a cabaret or musical-esque story telling music style, where their albums basically bring you on a journey and are definitely recommended to listen to the albums in the order that they have on their YT. And the albums have really fun concepts!
Like western arthurian tales, fairytales in space, greek myths with a twist, as well as one about norse mythswith an eldritch crossover, which is my favorite!
I really enjoy their music not just for the sound, which while not professional has a very earnest and raw sound, especially at the first album. But also for the lyrics and the story being told throughout the album, which I think would be perfect reaction material for you!
You need to watch GiGi’s monster animatic! It is insane!!!!
It’s prerecorded 😅 but he might on his patreon
"I see your wife with a man who is haunting, a man with a trail of bodies" is odysseus because tiresias saw a future where odysseus got home clinging to poseidon's 'ruthlessness is mercy' philosophy, and killed all of penelope's suitors. this is also portrayed on "I see your palace covered in red, faces of men who had longed believed your dead" where men = suitors who wanted the throne because they believed oddysseus was ded
Spoiler:
As for the no longer you part, that would be because Odysseus returns to his home disguised as a beggar, so the man who returns home is someone entirely different in the eyes of those who see him.
@@AndrewSmith-nj8zh That was my understanding. That it was layered, both metaphorical and literal with several interpretations.
1. A possible path that mayhaps has been diverted
2. Someone who was emotionally/mentally changed by their journey
3. A vision of someone who literally does not go by the name of Oddysseus (in a similar vein of "my name is Nobody")
Etc.
Fun fact! (21:46) The lyrics are: Siren song, Scylla throat, Mutiny, Lighting bolt, Run from Po-seidon, KILL ALL THE SUITORS FOR LOVE. Most of them were confirmed by Mr. Jalapeño! (Jorge)
I believe that after this, you are going to check Jorge behind the scenes on his chanel, cool, but if you want to check those and see the future sagas blind, reading the titles help a lot, "warrior of the mind behind the scenes" "wouldn't you like behind the scenes" "how i made the music for [insert name of a song that already came out]" then it's cool
11:12 if it makes you feel better, the river to underworld is the river Acheron. The river Styx is river of oaths, connected to the goddess Nyx. So if the baby’s soul is anywhere, it would probably be in Acheron, assuming it hasn’t reached its destination.
Think about it, Mortius. Who do we know is a man with a trail of bodies?
….Polyphemus 🤪
@@officialmortiusstarts with O
@@officialmortius that's a cyclops, not a human. I don't think it's meant to be a spoiler, so I'm comfortable in hinting that this man is someone who we've already learned the name of
@@pixlv6384 Mortius figured it out. The emoji at the end of his reply was to indicate that he was speaking in jest.
(That is, he doesn't actually think it's Polyphemus but that made for a good joke since he did, technically, also leave a trail of bodies.)
@@yuukinoyuki9064 fair enough
Like 10 seconds in I think that scream of anguish perfectly describes how we all felt about _that_ part
Aww poop, I got all excited thinking it was today, then realised it's tomorrow it premieres 😟
Oh well... waiting eagerly 😊
Jay watching the Livestream chat when he released this: All I see are screams~
I know that it's a livestream but was this posted anywhere else? I've been looking for this specific version but can't find it
I think what the prophet meant with "no longer you" was that Odysseus changed or is changing and when he gets home he is no longer the man he used to be. And I also saw people having the theory that the man with a trail of bodies standing besides Penelope is supposed to be Odysseus in the future.
strong agree here
Mortius: //after listening to Polites// "Honestly, that didnt hurt as much as I thought it would.."
me: Oh sweet sweet summer child. :( *cues in WAITING~*
you should also do another video with animations (which i could provide a list of) because there are amazing ones out there now
tiresias' prophecy has a lot of double meanings and can apply to a few different events to come! as a huge odyssey and epic fan it's been fun seeing people's theories and interpretations when they have nothing to go off of but the info tiresias gives, just like odysseus :)
Polites' chorus hurts more when you realize that he died thinking the cyclops would spare them by "greeting the world with open arms" solidifying that open arms only leads to more death
In the end of no longer you the chorus is singing “siren song, Scylla throat, mutiny, lightning bolt” then it’s something like “run from Poseidon” or “Ahhh! Poseidon,” and then “kill all the suitors for love”
currently there are also animatics for all three of these songs
As soon as the "Waiiiting~" I always get all chocked up. Remembering those I've lost. Almost losing my dad to a heartattack and stroke back to back. And the pain when Odysseus screams after, i love this story so much
Every soul ends up in the underworld, where In the underworld depends on how you were in life
Fun fact that I don’t think I saw in the comments so far: the bell chimes on the line “I keep thinking of the infant from that night” match the lullaby motif in the first song. Also, love your facial reaction to the “waiting” line!
The Underworld is such a musical treat UGH I LOVE IT
I genuinely can’t not cry every time I hear the part with Ody’s mom. It is so heartbreaking. Literally just started thinking about it again and started getting teary eyed and got choked up.
12:45 “that wasn’t as bad as I thought it was”
Just…wait. 😢
Fun fact the spirits are hinting what will/has happened in the next saga. The words they are saying are: Siren Song, scylla throat, mutiny, lightning bolt, Poseidon and kill your suitors for love
Gigi already made an animatic for Monster, I hope you are able to react to it or with Casper as I think its their best work yet
Odysseus saying "i took too long" actually broke me, MR. JALEPEÑO YOU ARE SENTENCED TO 558 YEARS IN PRISON FOR THIS HOW DARE YOU
"With a man...with a trail of bodies behind him?" Im glad I've not read the odyssey. Hmmm, I wonder. Perhaps 558 men?
Having read the Odyssey for a class, seeing your interpretation of No Longer You (my favorite song of the whole musical so far btw) is very interesting.
It also makes the small changes Jorge makes super fun to pick out and pick apart as to why.
21:46 "What are they saying back there?" If you still want to know i'll put it here, SPOILERS FOR THE THUNDER SAGA !!!
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"Siren Song
Scylla throat
Mutiny
Lightning bolt"
We don't know what the other part is yet, Mr Jalapeno said it will be revealed once the later sagas are released!
The theories are
-Siren Song
-Scylla Throat
-Mutiny
-Lightning Bolt
-Fight Poseidon
- Kill all the suitors for love
Also thank you for the captions, yippee :D
11:07 regarding whether the infant is in the Underworld or not… listen carefully to the bells ringing in the background of The Underworld, then think back to the Horse and The Infant. Hear sth familiar…? 🙃
little fun fact (no spoilers): Jorge has not revealed what the ensemble is saying in the background of "no longer you" yet :) so no one knows 21:52
"This life is amaz-" "NOOOOOOO!" XD
I don't care when you recorded the video, things like editing take time and you have other stuff to do that takes priority, cool.
Love the videos, love the vibe of the premier, love the community.
Thanks for all the updates
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I don’t know if you’re going to react to animatics since you’ve already listened to the songs but if you do I hope you check out Gigi’s Monster animatic! It’s absolutely stunning!!
Mortius: I wish I knew what the spirits were saying.
The Spirits: No you don’t. You really, REALLY don’t.
(I have no idea if this is true, this is just a theory not spoilers)
Pretty sure when Tiresias says he sees a man getting home who is no longer Odysseus, he means that it is Odysseus, but he's changed so much that it's "no longer him". The man with the trail of bodies IS Odysseus after returning home. The trail of bodies is all the people he's killed/lost. Odysseus doesn't understand this and that's why he yells "WHO?!" Also slight spoiler under "Read more"
This is kinda backed up by the next song "Monster".
People have been saying the choir chant in ‘No longer you’ is
‘Siren Songs! Scylla Throat! Mutiny! Lightning Bolt!
Po-sei-don!’
Which a lot of this happened in the Thunder Saga.
If you see this I hope it helps. 😁 love your reactions to Epic!
ALL I HEAR ARE SCREAMS!
Both of these songs are definitely the most “wow” like when I first listened to them I was astonished. And Mason’s vocals are absolutely like gut wrenching idk how to explain it. They’re so good.
Also with Tiresias I actually didn’t think of that at first. I completely thought that what Tiresias meant by “no longer you” is that “oh hey you could go home alive to your wife and son if I help you. But that isn’t going to happen because I’m not going to help you.” Typa thing yk?