Fun fact: Ares’ instrument is the Chinese erhu, which might confuse people for why a Greek god has a Chinese instrument. This is a hint towards Sun Tzu: the art of war. Yup, I’m not making this shit up
It literally just clicked that the reason Ares seems to walk out from a desert like terrain is because Athena's hourglass was broken when he approaches....
I think Ares and Athena (as the gods of both sides of war, the anger, passion, and bravery of the common soldier vs the cold calculus of a general fighting a war through strategic maneuvering, both sides are necessary to winning a war) have such an interesting relationship to each other as siblings, so different, both on opposite sides of how to handle a conflict, but are still sides of, if not the same coin, then similar ones and therefore need each other and understand each other because of their domains
@@idgarobingoodfellow I love their relationship too, its so interesting to see how they both approach the problem differently, but can eventually come to even ground
IT DOESN’T END THERE! All of the God’s themes have reprises of other melodies written into them, and are connected to what they’re referencing. Apollo’s singing about the sirens and has Suffering mixed in (you can especially hear it in Athena’s part - “live another day and sing another verse” mirrors “I can take the suffering from you”) Hephaestus has Scylla mixed into his part as mentioned. Aphrodite has a sped up version / mirrored intervals of the “waiting” portion of the Underworld mixed in because she’s referencing his mother. Ares references how he’s hiding in a wooden horse and while his section isn’t super melodic, the rhythm matches up with The Horse and The Infant when Odysseus is laying out the plans for the soldiers (I.e. “Diomedes will lead the charge…” Hera… I’ll be honest I’m having trouble placing Hera. It kind of sounds like it’s halfway between Athena’s theme we hear the very beginning of God Games, or a mid-measure split of the chorus from “Keep your friends close” but a disco version. And then obviously Thunder Bringer for Zeus.
Mortius I will now introduce you to the joke that I think describes Zeus' mentality here perfectly: Athena: Never once had he cheated on his wife. Zeus: And I took that personally
Fun fact: Jorge intentionally gave Hera a groovy, disco-esque theme in this song, hence the “groovy” at the beginning. This, along with the “Hey, Baby” at the beginning of her part of the song, implies the fact that she is of a literal and metaphorical “older generation” of gods than Athena, and therefore, considers herself above Athena, in a maternal sense, and treating Athena like a child who is trying to play in the “big leagues”, in a sense.
Zeus totally tried to rig the game. Nearly all of the gods Athena had to convince sided with Troy in the Trojan War. Hephaestus and Hera sided with the Greeks.
Yep, the Trojan War was basically just a huge sibling rivalry civil war between the gods, although Zeus cheated and helped both sides. Zeus' infidelity isn't just toward Hera.
Plus the only two that sided with the Greeks would have personal grievances with Athena; Hera wouldn’t be very fond of her because of Zeus’s infidelity, and Hephaestus due to her rejection and his general unhappiness with the rest of the pantheon. The gods are also very petty so would vote on opposing sides purely out of spite, so you could also look at the grievances between the gods Athena has to convince, such as Hephaestus taking issue with Aphrodite and Ares
@@keladwynsolkas Athena's mother was Zeus's first wife. And she was born from his head after Zeus ate her mom. So Athena wasnt born from Zeus cheating on Hera.
So here are some facts about the Gods in God Games that I think are interesting!!! 1. The gods that Zeus summoned were all apart of the Trojan war in some way. 2. Odysseus returned the daughter of a priest that worshipped Apollo, which explains why he was forgiving of him. 3. Hephaestus actually made Achilles new armor in the Iliad so he was fighting on the same side as Ody. It explains why he was pissed at Ody for breaking his trust with his soldiers 4. Aphrodite is basically the reason WHY the Trojan War started and was on Tory’s side the whole Iliad. So her grudge against Ody goes a lot deeper than that. 5. Ares was also on Tory’s side as well. Along with the fact that the points Ares brings up are actually the points of why the Romans HATED Odysseus. Reason why Ares would bring that up is because he mostly worshipped there. 6. Hera being here confused me for a bit but I l have some ideas. Since she is the queen of the Gods it’s only right for Zeus includes her. She was also on Ody’s side during the Trojan War. Considering how Odysseus and Penelope’s relationship was basically the ultimate show marriage fidelity, makes sense why to include her as well. 7. Finally Zeus himself. Now Zeus was on Troy’s side for all of the Iliad and it’s kinda his thing to just mess with mortals all the damn time. I’m not surprised he made a game out of this because it’s Zeus. Here is a bonus fun fact that I think is little funny. Athena is actually Zeus’s favorite child. He tends to be very lenient of her and she basically gets whatever she wants in the myths. I like to think the reason why he was pissed at her was because she publicly called him out on his cheating and he was embarrassed by her.
Yeah, that "make me feel shame" is why I think its about Ody, "a man full of shame" being better then Zeus in at lest one regard is something Zeus doesn't take that well. The funny thing about the Romans is they LOVED Ody at the start. They are why he suddenly had kids with Calypso and Circe. One of those kids "founded" Rome in one origan story. It wasn't until the Romans started have more dislike of the Greeks did that change and Remus and Romulus as the "true" founders of Rome, and they started really bashing on Ody. its really funny how they started "Greek" grew to dislike the Greeks so made themselves "Trojan" at lest, that is one theory.
Zeus probably thought Hera was like a ace upon his sleeve, if all went to fail she would ultimately remain loyal and side with him, but he didn't expect loyalty was the thing athena used to bring his own wife against him lol
@@rolkflameraven1483Oooh Cool!!! My history knowledge hasn’t been updated in a while. All I know is that Romans hated Ody and used those points to dislike him. Thanks for sharing!!! ❤
@@umseraleatorio2428True, now that I think about it, Ody and everyone else during that time were considered the “New generation” of heroes. Previous generation. Being Heracles, Theseus, and Jason. Hera was actually Jason’s patron god. Helping him through all his missions. Even is the reason why he got married to his wife, Meada. However Jason tried to marry a princess while remaining married to Meada and betraying their 2 sons. Breaking his oaths to the gods and more specifically to Hera. Hera is the goddess of Marriage and family and Jason betrayed his wife AND their kids. So Hera asking Athena to give her a reason why Ody should be makes sense. Hera has seen and even helped a lot of heroes but none of them were worth the help. (In her eyes at least) So why should they care about Ody? Athena points she brought up were weak points considering all the other heroes they had seen before. Until, Ody’s loyalty to his wife. Because literally none of the heroes ever were and not even Hera’s own husband. Which honestly starts to make more sense why Zeus added her now after typing all of this lol
If Zeus was on the Troian side, I just wonder what was his beef with poor Hector that he literally bullied a hapless Odysseus into infanticiding the man's baby son? That's one thing about Epic I never figured out. Well, that and whatever was going on between Hermes and Circe that he was trying to get her unalived by Odysseus (well, it could have gone that way if he went monster a bit earlier)...
What I love about Beast Mode Zeus reprising "Thunder Bringer" is that he was originally referring to pride, and his tantrum was triggered by Athena threatening his pride by winning his game.
While Zeus's famous infidelity is the obvious thing, Hera is also the goddess of marriage (making said infidelity so much worse). Ody being a faithful husband is directly in her wheelhouse even despite her personal hangups.
So, I just noticed something. The 2 quickest ones were Apollo and Hephaestus because Apollo being more of a civilisation god( domains of art and music etc) and Hephaestus making metalwork would lean closer to Athena's logical thinking. While Ares and Aphrodite who are more passion based, it wouldn't work so Athena has to show emotion, pleading with Apjrodite(I mean look at Aph's face, it was working) and getting angry and beating Ares in a fight. Not sure if this is intentional or not but it's cool either way. Also yes, Hamilton could never
I also think they both either didn’t care or actively didn’t want to participate in the game. Apollo and Hephaestus, gods of “This could’ve been an email”
Now I dont know if this is fully true, I saw someone mention on another post that Apollo is also the god of prophecies, so he already knew how it would end so he didn't care enough to really get into it
@@oklandon09 My headcannon is that Hephaestus just picked the easiest thing to argue so that Athena would get out of his forge so he could get back to work.
No but for me Apollo's whole verse doesn't make sense , he was 100% against the Greeks in the trojan war , he made poisoned arrows fall from the skies for days , and he was the one who kiled Achilles by helping Paris kill him , out of all the gods here Apollo has some of the biggest reasons to be against Odysseus, and apollo is one HELL of a petty god 😭 so it wouldn't surprise me if he was still mad against Ody
@@merusotajio2222, yes but maybe he simply wasn't against Ody specifically and after the war he simply didn't care anymore about anything or about what would happen after it, after all it had ended, and he is a god and if he is petty I'm pretty sure that it's possible that he didn't care about the lifes in the war and after it, about what would happen to them, or that he had other thing to be petty about, or maybe he simply doesn't care in general unless you go against him personally and then it's there when he is petty, after all him and Odysseus didn't have anything personal (like personal problems) or any contact of any type so they didn't have reasons to specifically be and go against each other at all, not in the war and much less after it, Ody may have personal problems with some gods, like Poseidon and Helios, but Apollo is not one of them
@@dogebrando8902 Well more that it goes from warrior of the mind to I wanna be legendary when she is looking down at telemachus but yeah i believe its those two specific points in the songs too which is really cool
20:24 This is most likely a reference to how in the actual poem Zeus beat Athena so severely for aiding the Achaeans (Greeks), it took her over 10 years to recover from the wounds.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he actually struck Athena during the Trojan War. In book VIII of The Iliad, he threatens to do so when she and Hera attempt to defy his decree to not aid the Greeks in a battle, but he never actually harms either of them. The lines (from a prose translation I found online, the translator is Anthony Kline) as follows: "But Father Zeus, watching them from Ida, enraged, sent Iris the golden-winged to take them a message: ‘Away, and swiftly, Iris; turn them back, and keep them far from me, a confrontation will do them no good. Tell them what I say, and would surely do. I’d hamstring the horses that pull their chariot, hurl them from it, and shatter it to pieces. Not in ten years’ circuit would they be healed of the wounds my thunderbolt deals. That would show the bright-eyed goddess what a fight with her father means! I’ve less words of wrath or indignation to waste on Hera: she habitually defies my decrees.’" Later on, in the same book: "With these words, fleet-footed Iris took her divine way, while Hera turned to Athene in alarm: ‘Well now, daughter of aegis-bearing Zeus, I cannot sanction us waging war on Zeus for these mortals. Let events decide who lives and who dies. Zeus must decide between the Greeks and Trojans, as is only right.’ So saying, she wheeled her team and returned. Then the Hours unyoked the long-maned horses, and tethered them by their ambrosial mangers, and leaned the chariot against the bright entrance-wall, while the two anxious goddesses sat down, with the other gods, on golden chairs."
What fucks me up is she isnt even really fighting Zeus. Like we see her actually fight Ares, but shes literally just trying to get her dad to LISTEN to her, to honor their agreement. It makes me wanna cry
That's true! She didn't go on the offensive, didn't use her spear at her. She was struck by lightning and then used her shield and arms to defend herself as she pleaded.
Honestly, I can't help but wonder if it's a part of a test. As he said, it's all about breaking pride to bring out the truth under pressure. He may be a bit piqued that she chose to ask all the other gods instead of just begging daddy alone, but canonically she is the favorite child and 'godesses can't die' so I doubt he'd kill her.
Another thing for Hera is that in I believe the generation literally before the Iliad and Odyssey, Jason the Hero from the Argonauts story was a hero she had given favor to. He also cheated on his wife and he was crushed under the bow? ( I think) of his ship which was blessed by Hera too ironically which adds insult to injury.
Yeah he was killed by his own boat , while his wife (who he cheated on) was seen as the more favored by the gods even tho she literally killed her own children 😭😭
@@merusotajio2222 Technically by the standards of the time, those kids would have had a way worse fate alive, and her actions no matter how cruel were still approved by the gods because of Jason. Medea truly is a fascinating character to read about.
@@merusotajio2222 Medea killing her kids isn't even a consistent thing in Greek mythology. We have reason to believe that her killing her kids was only in Euripides' version of Jason and the Argonauts and that previous versions had placed the blame on the Corinthians for killing Jason and Medea's kids, as retribution for Medea killing their king and princess, who Jason basically divorced Medea for, after making Medea betray her father and kill her brother to help Jason on his quest.
Originally, I was confused as to why Zeus was angry too. But on a relisten, I think I realized why-remember back in Little Wolf when Athena had the line, "I've no respect for bullies, those who impose their will. I've seen PLENTY ENOUGH to truly understand this kind of filth."? Well, this is what that was foreshadowing. I think they're trying to thematically link Zeus and Antinous-both are bullies who impose their will on those weaker than them. This also provides a thematic link between Athena and Telemachus, as the party who tried to stand up to them and failed.
Mortius.exe has stopped functioning. Yup, all of us were the same at the end of watching it live. We were all like: wut? God games is like my fav song from this saga though.
so a couple things, 1. one thing i noticed that it seems like no one else has mentioned is that Zeus said "OR me" not "and me", when introducing the gods that Athena needs to convince. so maybe it was foreshadowing that he didn't want her to win or that he would ultimately have the final say regardless. 2. Hera was so easily swayed with Ody not cheating because Hera is the goddess of marriage and family. Being loyal to your spouse is her whole thing. 3. I don't think Athens is dead because, "last I checked goddesses can't die."
SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED THE LINE CHANGE OMG! I used to listen to the God Games clips on repeat before Wisdom saga came out so I memorized the "and me" part, so when I heard the change in the official version I immediately noticed. Zeus is a very poor sport and rigs his games lol
(just for clarification, Athena does not die in the original Odyssey and in Greek myth gods can't die but they can be dismembered and have to reform. Idk if Jorge is going with his own thing but based on the source material, Athena is probably just out of comission for a bit) My favourite part of this is how Athena switches her vocabulary and methods for each god. For Apollo she mentions singing, for Hephaestus she talks about building, for Aphrodite she's really delicate and plaintive trying to play to her emotions but then changes to anger and force with Ares and then goes full on diva in her delivery with Hera.
Wise enough to play to her audience. I think she was genuinely annoyed by Ares, though. They're both war gods with very different approaches, which leads to them butting heads often. She's the brainy, strategic sort of warrior while Ares is pure brute sttength. Further, they were on opposite sides of the Trojan war, with Ares backing the Trojans alongside Aphrodite and Athena backing the Greeks.
A little cool detail I found is that when Hephaestus says “trust is not given, it’s forged” he says it in the say rhyme as “Drown in your blood and your tears” or any of scylla’s lines from that part in the song.
12:52 Ares instrument is actually an Erhu, a Chinese string instrument played with a bow. It was chosen as Ares’s instrument as an homage to Sun Tzu, the author of “the art of war”. You can also hear a snare drum as his accompaniment. Personally it reminds me of a marching army drum
A random thing my friend and I thought of happening after God Games Hades: **shows up with a ghost Athena** Really Zeus? You’re taking a page out of dad’s book now? Zeus: But brotheeeeer! She embarrassed meeeeee! Hades: **forehead flicks Zeus with the force of a million angry mothers** Zeus: **concussed** Hades: She played your game. She won. Release him. Zeus: **in Spain without the S** Ok…
Makes me wonder if he's mad at Poseidon for killing Ody's crew. Hades is just buried under all the paperwork of suddenly having 558 men suddenly drop into his domain. 😆 Hades: Brother... Why did the souls of over 500 men just drop into my river?! And why did I hear one of them belting about becoming a monster outside my door?! Poseidon: Well, you see... Hades: *Sends Cerberus to bite him*
I love how it's like a tiered fighting game, Apollo had the weakest (and most absurd) argument, and was fairly simple to convince, then Hephaestus gave what I thought was the best argument from any of them, including Athena, but I think he didn't really need to be convinced, I think he just gave his best argument but planned to agree to release Odysseus no matter how unconvincing Athena's rebuttal was just so he could get back to his forge.
You can certainly incapacitate/overpower a god (see; Atlas, Zeus against Typhon, Chronos, Ouranos, Artemis against Hera in the Iliad, etc), but you can't really kill them You kinda gotta get creative if you wanna beat a god
@@errantstars8294but Kronos ate his children and they were fine, and Zeus ate Metis and she was still able to grow Athena to be birthed by him. I’m pretty sure gods can’t die period and that they can only be locked up or torn to pieces and have the pieces locked up 😭.
@errantstars8294 and even then it's not always death Just look at the kids of Chronos The gods are pretty often referred to as "immortal" or "undying" so make of that what you wi
I'm sorry, but anyone else think that the gods are either on Ody's side or just couldn't care less? Like... really Apollo? THE SIRENS?- I thought he would've at least brought up Helios's cows and went 'Hey, from god with sacred cows to another, not cool dude-'
I headcannon that Apollo WAS on Ody's side, cause with that voice of his? Better than a sirens- I really like imagining the scene as a sort of banter moment between Athena and Apollo where she's just going 'seriously? At least make it believable, geez Pollo-' while trying not to smile-
@@CyrahLia_459it has been a bit of a joke that Zeus sat the other gods down for a zoom meeting/powerpoint presentation Apollo was just there to listen to the cool music
Something you seem to have missed is that Apollo actually shares the Harp instrument with Hermes! This is because in Greek Lore, Hermes was the one who gave Apollo his Harp as a gift after stealing his cows
This song was unexpectedly hard, Zeus reminds me of my own dad. Setting the goal posts in one place but steering you in another. If I had to guess since he said "OR me." He wanted her to basically say, "Your opinion is all that matters" and grovel to him more
I don't know if anyone else has said it here but, during the flashback the piano is playing "Warrior of the Mind" but when Athena takes Telemachus into her arms it switches to "Legendary"
I don't think she is gone gone, because gods can kill each other over and over... They always come back. Maybe she's not coming for the rest of EPIC but, she's not dead dead
I do like that weird quirk of Zeus's where he likes to use unusual definitions of words. First "sublime" as a verb, now "apprehensions" in the literal sense of bindings. Once just feels like a lyricist's idiosyncracy; twice makes it seem more like the character's.
Since I haven't seen it posted yet, Brandon McInnis(Apollo) is a voice actor. Credits include Finral(Black Clover), Sir Nighteye(My Hero Academia), Gen(Dr. Stone)
during the aphrodite + ares snippet, ares' entrance is accompanied by the text "quick-thought X2", which implies that ares has his own quick-thought ability, and uses it during athena's quick-thought in order to probably isolate them
I like to imagine God Games as sort of a montage, like diagetically these discussions are much longer and more complex but we as the audience only see the highlights
Aphrodite makes a great point. The Trojan War was over when Anticlea saw the storm cover his ship. She died because he spited Polyphemus, pissing off Poseidon, who then sent said storm. Granted, Athena only got glimpses of what happened because she had to look into his memories, since she had abandoned him by that point. Also, I did the math, and Odysseus's luck ran out 3 years after Athena abandoned him. She hadn't seen him in a decade, and "Thunder Bringer" was 7 years prior to this saga, so 10-7=3 years. Athena _was_ Odysseus's luck. He got lucky that Hermes was snooping around Aeaea, because they all would've died without divine intervention. Without the moly, the men that got turned into pigs were as good as dead, and he wanted to confront Circe with NO plan whatsoever on how to beat a woman who can transform men into pigs. He didn't even have concepts of a plan. It would've been as hopeless as fighting Scylla without the moly.
@@PM-ov9sg To an extent. Paris could maybe still have abducted Helen without her help. Plus, Odysseus swore an oath that obligated him to go to war. He could've not made that deal. Also, this is about Odysseus's actions, not hers. He's the one being (essentially) prosecuted by the gods.
I would have loved for God Games to be its own saga (with Casper as Hades obviously), all the gods were so awesome, but I do understand that it's probably way too much to ask
When I was looking at the early promos for God Games, I honestly thought this was going to be its own saga considering how many characters were involved and the fact that there were "levels."
I don't know if it counts as a critique, but if there is one thing I'm sad about when it comes to this Saga its that I wish God Games was an entire Saga unto itself. I'd have loved back-to-back "Boss fights" between Athena and the other gods. But I guess wanting more is a good problem to have.
18:06 he was moreso mad at the fact that she thought that the opinion of the other gods actually mattered to Zeus over his own opinion. Hence why he said "or me"
"to make me feel shame" was a reference to the fact Athena used him cheating to win Hera's vote. "YOU DARE TO DEFY ME?!" is because technically the gods don't discuss Zeus's infidelity, they know it happens. But Hera is the goddess of marriage, so its kinda a ugly family "secret". Anyways, yeah, he took that part personally
@@Nemial-l7i Tartarus is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. As a deity, that gets overcomplicated because Tartarus was a primordial deity.
I think Zeus said 'Or me' either because 'either me or the 5' OR convince them, but even if you technically win, I'm still not gonna say 'yes' so...🤷♀️
I think it's super cool that at around 18:46 the motif for worrior of the mind slowly transitions into legendary as (what i think is) a symbolisation of Athena transitioning from Odysseus to Telemachus as their mentors and in terms of closness in the relationship:)
I think the quickness of the gods to just choose to release odysseus shows how grand they truly are. His life doesnt really matter to them, so they care neither way, and the fact that Athena is pushing them back about as a fellow god is enough for them to let him get released
It doesn't include Athena's death, but Jorge is taking a lot of liberties. But also, I doubt Athena's dead. I have no idea what happened, but she's a goddess, she can't be DEAD.
"He can still build a future with those who miss him." His sister misses him, but when she finds out he widowed her to save himself, I'd be shocked if she was willing to have a future with him in her life.
10:16 my personal headcanon is that Zeus and Athena are the only ones GENUINELY invested in the outcome of the games. Athena obviously wants to save her bestie, Zeus cares about his pride, but the other gods were just kinda called in and told to pick something to dislike about Odysseus XD
I need someone with more of a music brain to help me with this one - when Athena asks Aphrodite "Please reconsider this", is that the same melody/note progression as "Please don't make me do this" in The Horse and The Infant? If the act of pleading with a god got its own little motif I think that would make so much sense.
Waiting with open arms, but how much longer… Ah a warrior of the mind, Why not make it a game? Fight- Fight- Fight- Fight- Fight- Fight- ••• No. -is it just me or is the lyrics, “Or me” and I hear “AND ME” I always confuse the two when singing it aloud!*
I mean, in the Demo version that I've memorised by heart that Jorge originally released, it WAS 'And me.' But I think he changed it. Or me now means that Athena can fight the five gods, or him so of course Athena chose the option that wasn't convincing the king of Olympus, who is known to give Brutal punishments- Also maybe he wanted Zeus to come off as more hate-able and cocky with 'No one wins my Game!!' But no, not alone there definitely, I still accidentally say 'And me!' Sometimes cause of muscle memory-
I noticed the line change too from listening to the demo on repeat! I think it's an interesting change that depicts Zeus' prideful and poor sport-ness well.
Something I've waited this long to say; During the end of Thunder Bringer, you hear Athena's piano. In the same spot where she appears in Ody's memories above the shipwreck in "Love in Paradise". I'm betting if you go to each of the places she "visits", it'll be there too. Not that I've looked myself.
Two things 1. I can’t wait to see Casper reaction to this one. 2. Two theory’s about this one 1 is that don’t think Athena dead but curse to be human. 2. The second theory I have is the irony between odyssey and Athena. Athena having human feeling towards him having a heart while odyssey is having more god feeling coming a monster
Gods can certainly be knocked out or imprisioned, but that in fact does not happen in homer's oddysey. It does happen in the Illiad when Aphrodite and Ares take the battlefield. Though - they are injured and forced to retreat.
After i accidently spoiled myself on one of the songs in Ithaca Saga that Jorge previewed a year ago.....i just cannot wait for your reaction. I will give no hints, you will have to find out when it releases (unless you cannot resist like me xD)
So I haven't seen anyone bring this up, but I think Zeus is so angry with Athena at the end (You dare to defy me / to make me feel shame) even though she did what he asked, is specifically because her final triumph in his game is a dig at him (Never once has he cheated on his wife.) Yes, she won his game, but she did so by bringing up his major flaw in front of him and all the other gods at the very end. Her "killing blow" essentially is her calling him out to his wife, who is notoriously vindictive about his infidelity. In defending Odysseus, Zeus caught a stray and got mad about it. I can practically picture Hera making eye contact with her husband from down in the pit and saying "Release him"
19:24 I absolutely love how Athena's piano motiff changes towards the end when she holds Telemachus. It changes from Warrior of the Mind to Legendary. Even though she had a blowout with Ody and she hasn't spoken to Tele much compared to how she has with Ody, their friendships mean so much to her that it's changed her.
I just found out about you today and I binged watched ALL your reactions (not including the duo reactions, but I plan to.) and coincidently you are doing yhe last song today.
I think it shows the most in Aphrodite and Ares's section, yeah they all have their reasons to not support Odysseus but ultimately he's one mortal guy, not any of their favorite specialist boys, so they don't have that much stake in him so I can kinda see that while Athena is trying her hardest it's literally just appealing to their flight of whimsy towards mortals. That's how I interpret God games at least
Not so fun fact: apollo can sometimes be know as the god of prophesies (dont know how to write that word) so he knew what would happen in the end so he let himself get easily convinced😢
It really bugged me for a while how she convinced Aprodite, cuz it really seemed like Athena only gave Ares a reason to release Odiseus. But it just clicked while watching the reaction. Not just Ares and Athena, but Aphrodite is also a goddess of war! Having Odi kill all of Penelope's suitors is right up Aphrodite's alley
Zeus didn't actually expect Athena to convince everyone. And he's narcisstic af. Generally those types don't handle being shown up or challenged very well. So. Yeah. Zeus sucks. I managed to jump on the livestream for wisdom saga, and the RAECTIONS to the end were amazing.
I'm an hour late, but why I personally think Ares is able to 'break out of' Athena's Quick thought is not because they're sblings. But rather because they are the two gods of war. Yes, there is a God of War, and Goddess of War. Which means they have something pretty fimmiliar as war was like a pretty huge thing in ancient Greece (and other European/Asian countries). So it would make sense for them to be somewhat able to interwine with one another's powers
Fun fact: Ares’ instrument is the Chinese erhu, which might confuse people for why a Greek god has a Chinese instrument. This is a hint towards Sun Tzu: the art of war.
Yup, I’m not making this shit up
I knew I recognized that instrument
That's actually true. Jorge conform it himself in an old video explaining the instruments/music in God Games.
and its the fact that his lite motif and Athena's are the same, which makes sense cause they're both gods of war and siblings, love the details
OK, I was wondering what that instrument was! Now it makes sense.
That's so cool!
It literally just clicked that the reason Ares seems to walk out from a desert like terrain is because Athena's hourglass was broken when he approaches....
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Bro that's brilliant
I never even thought of that and I love it
Holy shrew, that's amazing.
the fact that theres glass shards fly up on the "Hold your tongue now"
I love how Ares is the one who asked if she was dead. A sibling she has constant beef with, but he genuinely cares more than their father.
This hit me, too
This musical is fantastic
I think Ares and Athena (as the gods of both sides of war, the anger, passion, and bravery of the common soldier vs the cold calculus of a general fighting a war through strategic maneuvering, both sides are necessary to winning a war) have such an interesting relationship to each other as siblings, so different, both on opposite sides of how to handle a conflict, but are still sides of, if not the same coin, then similar ones and therefore need each other and understand each other because of their domains
@@idgarobingoodfellow I love their relationship too, its so interesting to see how they both approach the problem differently, but can eventually come to even ground
I first had a funny thought that he would be upset because he might no have a sis any more to annoy
@@YSAn-e3f LMAO. Bro's sad because he has nobody else to fight willingly
Hephestus's line "trust is not given it's forged" is in Scylla's melody, which I think is a cool touch
Finally some said it!, i was waiting for someone notice it
Oooooh! Well, that's a nice touch!
Makes sense, especially since scylla was singing about "leaving them feeling betrayed."
IT DOESN’T END THERE! All of the God’s themes have reprises of other melodies written into them, and are connected to what they’re referencing.
Apollo’s singing about the sirens and has Suffering mixed in (you can especially hear it in Athena’s part - “live another day and sing another verse” mirrors “I can take the suffering from you”)
Hephaestus has Scylla mixed into his part as mentioned.
Aphrodite has a sped up version / mirrored intervals of the “waiting” portion of the Underworld mixed in because she’s referencing his mother.
Ares references how he’s hiding in a wooden horse and while his section isn’t super melodic, the rhythm matches up with The Horse and The Infant when Odysseus is laying out the plans for the soldiers (I.e. “Diomedes will lead the charge…”
Hera… I’ll be honest I’m having trouble placing Hera. It kind of sounds like it’s halfway between Athena’s theme we hear the very beginning of God Games, or a mid-measure split of the chorus from “Keep your friends close” but a disco version.
And then obviously Thunder Bringer for Zeus.
Man I love this
Fun fact: Luke recorded his thunderbringer part when he just woke up to get that extra growl in his voice
Now I want him to try doing that on a stage!!! XD
@radicaledward84 I recommend just skipping coffee for stage work
that is such a cool fact
That is a fun fact!
Woah! If he does that on stage it means he took a little nap beforehand!
what I appreciate is that Hera says "give me ONE good reason" - and with one good reason, she's convinced :3
Mortius I will now introduce you to the joke that I think describes Zeus' mentality here perfectly:
Athena: Never once had he cheated on his wife.
Zeus: And I took that personally
New headcannon that that's what the "to make me feel shame" line was about.
@@Return2Monkey-p6zAthena:Never once has he cheated on his Wife.
Hera:.... Release him.
Zeus:You know what? F**k the game.
I SEE SO LITTLE PEOPLE GET THIS THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT
I've been ***WAITING*** for someone else to catch that! 😆🤣
RIGHT?!? Literally Zeus over here like "You know... I was going to let him free, but then you had to make it personal," basically
Fun fact: Jorge intentionally gave Hera a groovy, disco-esque theme in this song, hence the “groovy” at the beginning. This, along with the “Hey, Baby” at the beginning of her part of the song, implies the fact that she is of a literal and metaphorical “older generation” of gods than Athena, and therefore, considers herself above Athena, in a maternal sense, and treating Athena like a child who is trying to play in the “big leagues”, in a sense.
to be fair, she is Athena's step mother
@@Orion_44 This is true
@@Orion_44…and aunt
@@NeuvilletteFan69 indeed
@@Orion_44 Hera to Athena: "I'm both the cool aunt and the wicked stepmother."
I love how at Apollo’s part Athena’s like “ You don’t really believe that do you?”
“No, I just really wanted to be in the number.” Apollo.
The group mind has decided you’re in love!
Cxg!
Zeus totally tried to rig the game. Nearly all of the gods Athena had to convince sided with Troy in the Trojan War. Hephaestus and Hera sided with the Greeks.
Yep, the Trojan War was basically just a huge sibling rivalry civil war between the gods, although Zeus cheated and helped both sides. Zeus' infidelity isn't just toward Hera.
Plus the only two that sided with the Greeks would have personal grievances with Athena; Hera wouldn’t be very fond of her because of Zeus’s infidelity, and Hephaestus due to her rejection and his general unhappiness with the rest of the pantheon.
The gods are also very petty so would vote on opposing sides purely out of spite, so you could also look at the grievances between the gods Athena has to convince, such as Hephaestus taking issue with Aphrodite and Ares
@@keladwynsolkas Athena's mother was Zeus's first wife.
And she was born from his head after Zeus ate her mom.
So Athena wasnt born from Zeus cheating on Hera.
It would've been unwinnable if he'd included Poseidon, unless Poseidon was confident he could get Odysseus on his way back home. 😅
@@meaypie11 Poseidon can't get Odysseus _unless_ he's freed. I'm fairly certain Poseidon can't reach Ogygia.
So here are some facts about the Gods in God Games that I think are interesting!!!
1. The gods that Zeus summoned were all apart of the Trojan war in some way.
2. Odysseus returned the daughter of a priest that worshipped Apollo, which explains why he was forgiving of him.
3. Hephaestus actually made Achilles new armor in the Iliad so he was fighting on the same side as Ody. It explains why he was pissed at Ody for breaking his trust with his soldiers
4. Aphrodite is basically the reason WHY the Trojan War started and was on Tory’s side the whole Iliad. So her grudge against Ody goes a lot deeper than that.
5. Ares was also on Tory’s side as well. Along with the fact that the points Ares brings up are actually the points of why the Romans HATED Odysseus. Reason why Ares would bring that up is because he mostly worshipped there.
6. Hera being here confused me for a bit but I l have some ideas. Since she is the queen of the Gods it’s only right for Zeus includes her. She was also on Ody’s side during the Trojan War. Considering how Odysseus and Penelope’s relationship was basically the ultimate show marriage fidelity, makes sense why to include her as well.
7. Finally Zeus himself. Now Zeus was on Troy’s side for all of the Iliad and it’s kinda his thing to just mess with mortals all the damn time. I’m not surprised he made a game out of this because it’s Zeus.
Here is a bonus fun fact that I think is little funny. Athena is actually Zeus’s favorite child. He tends to be very lenient of her and she basically gets whatever she wants in the myths. I like to think the reason why he was pissed at her was because she publicly called him out on his cheating and he was embarrassed by her.
Yeah, that "make me feel shame" is why I think its about Ody, "a man full of shame" being better then Zeus in at lest one regard is something Zeus doesn't take that well.
The funny thing about the Romans is they LOVED Ody at the start. They are why he suddenly had kids with Calypso and Circe. One of those kids "founded" Rome in one origan story. It wasn't until the Romans started have more dislike of the Greeks did that change and Remus and Romulus as the "true" founders of Rome, and they started really bashing on Ody.
its really funny how they started "Greek" grew to dislike the Greeks so made themselves "Trojan" at lest, that is one theory.
Zeus probably thought Hera was like a ace upon his sleeve, if all went to fail she would ultimately remain loyal and side with him, but he didn't expect loyalty was the thing athena used to bring his own wife against him lol
@@rolkflameraven1483Oooh Cool!!! My history knowledge hasn’t been updated in a while. All I know is that Romans hated Ody and used those points to dislike him. Thanks for sharing!!! ❤
@@umseraleatorio2428True, now that I think about it, Ody and everyone else during that time were considered the “New generation” of heroes. Previous generation. Being Heracles, Theseus, and Jason.
Hera was actually Jason’s patron god. Helping him through all his missions. Even is the reason why he got married to his wife, Meada. However Jason tried to marry a princess while remaining married to Meada and betraying their 2 sons.
Breaking his oaths to the gods and more specifically to Hera. Hera is the goddess of Marriage and family and Jason betrayed his wife AND their kids.
So Hera asking Athena to give her a reason why Ody should be makes sense. Hera has seen and even helped a lot of heroes but none of them were worth the help. (In her eyes at least) So why should they care about Ody? Athena points she brought up were weak points considering all the other heroes they had seen before. Until, Ody’s loyalty to his wife.
Because literally none of the heroes ever were and not even Hera’s own husband. Which honestly starts to make more sense why Zeus added her now after typing all of this lol
If Zeus was on the Troian side, I just wonder what was his beef with poor Hector that he literally bullied a hapless Odysseus into infanticiding the man's baby son? That's one thing about Epic I never figured out.
Well, that and whatever was going on between Hermes and Circe that he was trying to get her unalived by Odysseus (well, it could have gone that way if he went monster a bit earlier)...
"Is her memory of Odysseus and Telemachus going to allow her to defeat Zeus in battle?" No way, Athena's using the power of friendship-
athena's got the power of gods and anime on her side
Mlp mlp ahahahaha
What I love about Beast Mode Zeus reprising "Thunder Bringer" is that he was originally referring to pride, and his tantrum was triggered by Athena threatening his pride by winning his game.
Which was something that wasn’t meant to be won in the first place but it was Athena’s determination to almost win the game
@@Vent.imlistening Not almost, she did win. She convinced the others, and by cheating, Zeus forfeited tbh.
hubris: it's only okay when we do it
@@voidfloof as always
And Athena’s final tactic against this was ultimately (in my headcanon) a supplicant’s plea. She cast aside her pride for Ody.
While Zeus's famous infidelity is the obvious thing, Hera is also the goddess of marriage (making said infidelity so much worse). Ody being a faithful husband is directly in her wheelhouse even despite her personal hangups.
So, I just noticed something. The 2 quickest ones were Apollo and Hephaestus because Apollo being more of a civilisation god( domains of art and music etc) and Hephaestus making metalwork would lean closer to Athena's logical thinking. While Ares and Aphrodite who are more passion based, it wouldn't work so Athena has to show emotion, pleading with Apjrodite(I mean look at Aph's face, it was working) and getting angry and beating Ares in a fight. Not sure if this is intentional or not but it's cool either way.
Also yes, Hamilton could never
I also think they both either didn’t care or actively didn’t want to participate in the game. Apollo and Hephaestus, gods of “This could’ve been an email”
Now I dont know if this is fully true, I saw someone mention on another post that Apollo is also the god of prophecies, so he already knew how it would end so he didn't care enough to really get into it
@@oklandon09 My headcannon is that Hephaestus just picked the easiest thing to argue so that Athena would get out of his forge so he could get back to work.
No but for me Apollo's whole verse doesn't make sense , he was 100% against the Greeks in the trojan war , he made poisoned arrows fall from the skies for days , and he was the one who kiled Achilles by helping Paris kill him , out of all the gods here Apollo has some of the biggest reasons to be against Odysseus, and apollo is one HELL of a petty god 😭 so it wouldn't surprise me if he was still mad against Ody
@@merusotajio2222, yes but maybe he simply wasn't against Ody specifically and after the war he simply didn't care anymore about anything or about what would happen after it, after all it had ended, and he is a god and if he is petty I'm pretty sure that it's possible that he didn't care about the lifes in the war and after it, about what would happen to them, or that he had other thing to be petty about, or maybe he simply doesn't care in general unless you go against him personally and then it's there when he is petty, after all him and Odysseus didn't have anything personal (like personal problems) or any contact of any type so they didn't have reasons to specifically be and go against each other at all, not in the war and much less after it, Ody may have personal problems with some gods, like Poseidon and Helios, but Apollo is not one of them
fun fact! the melody during the flashback goes like: i know we’ll change the world because, we will be legendary!!
WAIT WHAT?!?!
@@dogebrando8902 Well more that it goes from warrior of the mind to I wanna be legendary when she is looking down at telemachus but yeah i believe its those two specific points in the songs too which is really cool
@@robertmartens9072 thats awesome wthhh
@@dogebrando8902 It also keeps those tunes as they are somewhat similar during the large fanfare of the trumpets while zues is attacking her
so much cool stuff in the comments of these videos
20:24 This is most likely a reference to how in the actual poem Zeus beat Athena so severely for aiding the Achaeans (Greeks), it took her over 10 years to recover from the wounds.
Oooh woaah I've never heard of that before! Thanks for sharing that!
Dang! That sounds right on the money! 😮
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he actually struck Athena during the Trojan War. In book VIII of The Iliad, he threatens to do so when she and Hera attempt to defy his decree to not aid the Greeks in a battle, but he never actually harms either of them.
The lines (from a prose translation I found online, the translator is Anthony Kline) as follows:
"But Father Zeus, watching them from Ida, enraged, sent Iris the golden-winged to take them a message: ‘Away, and swiftly, Iris; turn them back, and keep them far from me, a confrontation will do them no good. Tell them what I say, and would surely do. I’d hamstring the horses that pull their chariot, hurl them from it, and shatter it to pieces. Not in ten years’ circuit would they be healed of the wounds my thunderbolt deals. That would show the bright-eyed goddess what a fight with her father means! I’ve less words of wrath or indignation to waste on Hera: she habitually defies my decrees.’"
Later on, in the same book:
"With these words, fleet-footed Iris took her divine way, while Hera turned to Athene in alarm: ‘Well now, daughter of aegis-bearing Zeus, I cannot sanction us waging war on Zeus for these mortals. Let events decide who lives and who dies. Zeus must decide between the Greeks and Trojans, as is only right.’
So saying, she wheeled her team and returned. Then the Hours unyoked the long-maned horses, and tethered them by their ambrosial mangers, and leaned the chariot against the bright entrance-wall, while the two anxious goddesses sat down, with the other gods, on golden chairs."
@@avian1 Thanks for sharing your insight! I'll be sure to dive more into this once I get my hands on an Iliad translation someday
What fucks me up is she isnt even really fighting Zeus. Like we see her actually fight Ares, but shes literally just trying to get her dad to LISTEN to her, to honor their agreement. It makes me wanna cry
That's true! She didn't go on the offensive, didn't use her spear at her. She was struck by lightning and then used her shield and arms to defend herself as she pleaded.
Honestly, I can't help but wonder if it's a part of a test. As he said, it's all about breaking pride to bring out the truth under pressure. He may be a bit piqued that she chose to ask all the other gods instead of just begging daddy alone, but canonically she is the favorite child and 'godesses can't die' so I doubt he'd kill her.
11:55 peak sibling dynamic: annoying younger brother and annoyed older sister
Love this comment 😂. As the older sister I can understand this
I thought Ares was the older one?
@SeriouslyWhoDidThis
He was the first son then Athena then the twins then dionysius
@SeriouslyWhoDidThis
Hephestus is hard to put on the timeline and aphrodity is confusing if she's a daughter of zeus
@@chadthunder8188 The order goes Ares, Athena & Hephaestus (we know that he is older than the twins), the twins, Hermes, Dionysus, and Hebe
Calypso “last I checked goddesses can’t die”
Next song - Athena fucken dies.
we all thought that mortius is gonna be traumatized with god games but my guy is just vibing "the gang's all here" my ass 😭😭
20:42 The confusion, it's priceless.
In all honesty, the Odyssey does say Athena gets pretty hurt from a punishment if memory serves but not killed.
Can we talk about how Ares shattered the top her hourglass so they were fighting on sand?
21:08 jorge did say this saga was a lot like a videogame/movie. Athena is the wise mentor.. we know what usually happens to them in films.
😭😭
ok, but Athena is a pretty big part of how Odysseus is able to get close to the suitors, so she kinda needs to be around still
Another thing for Hera is that in I believe the generation literally before the Iliad and Odyssey, Jason the Hero from the Argonauts story was a hero she had given favor to. He also cheated on his wife and he was crushed under the bow? ( I think) of his ship which was blessed by Hera too ironically which adds insult to injury.
Yeah he was killed by his own boat , while his wife (who he cheated on) was seen as the more favored by the gods even tho she literally killed her own children 😭😭
@@merusotajio2222
Technically by the standards of the time, those kids would have had a way worse fate alive, and her actions no matter how cruel were still approved by the gods because of Jason. Medea truly is a fascinating character to read about.
@@strangeweirdandproud1319 yeah I completely agree 💯
@@merusotajio2222 Medea killing her kids isn't even a consistent thing in Greek mythology. We have reason to believe that her killing her kids was only in Euripides' version of Jason and the Argonauts and that previous versions had placed the blame on the Corinthians for killing Jason and Medea's kids, as retribution for Medea killing their king and princess, who Jason basically divorced Medea for, after making Medea betray her father and kill her brother to help Jason on his quest.
Originally, I was confused as to why Zeus was angry too. But on a relisten, I think I realized why-remember back in Little Wolf when Athena had the line, "I've no respect for bullies, those who impose their will. I've seen PLENTY ENOUGH to truly understand this kind of filth."? Well, this is what that was foreshadowing. I think they're trying to thematically link Zeus and Antinous-both are bullies who impose their will on those weaker than them. This also provides a thematic link between Athena and Telemachus, as the party who tried to stand up to them and failed.
Athena MAKES IT PERSONAL WHEN SAVING ODYSSEUS.
Waiting........ waiting....... Mortius when you post I'll be........WAITING
Edit: mom I'm famous
Thx for the likes ❤❤❤
Even though it's just one song I'll be........waiting........waiting
When you post a video but upcoming but woke up at 12 I'll be...... Waiting...... Waiting tbh is this true pls like ( not forcing )
I will watch you suffer like I did I'm waiting... waiting...
Can't wait to see you suffer like I did, I'm waiting... waiting...
I paused too long... my network timed out... while we were waiting... *waiting*... **waiting**...
Mortius.exe has stopped functioning.
Yup, all of us were the same at the end of watching it live. We were all like: wut?
God games is like my fav song from this saga though.
so a couple things,
1. one thing i noticed that it seems like no one else has mentioned is that Zeus said "OR me" not "and me", when introducing the gods that Athena needs to convince. so maybe it was foreshadowing that he didn't want her to win or that he would ultimately have the final say regardless.
2. Hera was so easily swayed with Ody not cheating because Hera is the goddess of marriage and family. Being loyal to your spouse is her whole thing.
3. I don't think Athens is dead because, "last I checked goddesses can't die."
SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED THE LINE CHANGE OMG! I used to listen to the God Games clips on repeat before Wisdom saga came out so I memorized the "and me" part, so when I heard the change in the official version I immediately noticed. Zeus is a very poor sport and rigs his games lol
(just for clarification, Athena does not die in the original Odyssey and in Greek myth gods can't die but they can be dismembered and have to reform. Idk if Jorge is going with his own thing but based on the source material, Athena is probably just out of comission for a bit)
My favourite part of this is how Athena switches her vocabulary and methods for each god. For Apollo she mentions singing, for Hephaestus she talks about building, for Aphrodite she's really delicate and plaintive trying to play to her emotions but then changes to anger and force with Ares and then goes full on diva in her delivery with Hera.
Wise enough to play to her audience. I think she was genuinely annoyed by Ares, though. They're both war gods with very different approaches, which leads to them butting heads often. She's the brainy, strategic sort of warrior while Ares is pure brute sttength. Further, they were on opposite sides of the Trojan war, with Ares backing the Trojans alongside Aphrodite and Athena backing the Greeks.
A little cool detail I found is that when Hephaestus says “trust is not given, it’s forged” he says it in the say rhyme as “Drown in your blood and your tears” or any of scylla’s lines from that part in the song.
12:52 Ares instrument is actually an Erhu, a Chinese string instrument played with a bow. It was chosen as Ares’s instrument as an homage to Sun Tzu, the author of “the art of war”. You can also hear a snare drum as his accompaniment. Personally it reminds me of a marching army drum
Was also about to post this answer lol 😅
omg.Erhu is one of my favorite instruments ever since I heard it used in Avatar the last air bander.
A random thing my friend and I thought of happening after God Games
Hades: **shows up with a ghost Athena** Really Zeus? You’re taking a page out of dad’s book now?
Zeus: But brotheeeeer! She embarrassed meeeeee!
Hades: **forehead flicks Zeus with the force of a million angry mothers**
Zeus: **concussed**
Hades: She played your game. She won. Release him.
Zeus: **in Spain without the S** Ok…
Metis and Hades would (and should) be absolutely pissed if they knew about what Zeus did.
The fact that Hades is the older brother makes this so much better 😂
Makes me wonder if he's mad at Poseidon for killing Ody's crew. Hades is just buried under all the paperwork of suddenly having 558 men suddenly drop into his domain. 😆
Hades: Brother... Why did the souls of over 500 men just drop into my river?! And why did I hear one of them belting about becoming a monster outside my door?!
Poseidon: Well, you see...
Hades: *Sends Cerberus to bite him*
Welcome to Hadestown I guess
I love how it's like a tiered fighting game, Apollo had the weakest (and most absurd) argument, and was fairly simple to convince, then Hephaestus gave what I thought was the best argument from any of them, including Athena, but I think he didn't really need to be convinced, I think he just gave his best argument but planned to agree to release Odysseus no matter how unconvincing Athena's rebuttal was just so he could get back to his forge.
Calypso said that gods can’t dies but in mythology immortals have been permanently torn to pieces
Just still living pieces I suppose 😂
You can certainly incapacitate/overpower a god (see; Atlas, Zeus against Typhon, Chronos, Ouranos, Artemis against Hera in the Iliad, etc), but you can't really kill them
You kinda gotta get creative if you wanna beat a god
@@idontevenknow5486yeah I’m pretty sure the only gods that die and stay that way are ones devoured by other gods
@@errantstars8294but Kronos ate his children and they were fine, and Zeus ate Metis and she was still able to grow Athena to be birthed by him. I’m pretty sure gods can’t die period and that they can only be locked up or torn to pieces and have the pieces locked up 😭.
@errantstars8294 and even then it's not always death
Just look at the kids of Chronos
The gods are pretty often referred to as "immortal" or "undying" so make of that what you wi
I'm sorry, but anyone else think that the gods are either on Ody's side or just couldn't care less? Like... really Apollo? THE SIRENS?- I thought he would've at least brought up Helios's cows and went 'Hey, from god with sacred cows to another, not cool dude-'
I headcannon that Apollo WAS on Ody's side, cause with that voice of his? Better than a sirens-
I really like imagining the scene as a sort of banter moment between Athena and Apollo where she's just going 'seriously? At least make it believable, geez Pollo-' while trying not to smile-
@@CyrahLia_459it has been a bit of a joke that Zeus sat the other gods down for a zoom meeting/powerpoint presentation
Apollo was just there to listen to the cool music
Yea, no I can SO see that- 🤣
But Odysseus was trying to save the cows...
Im pretty sure Apollo didnt have cows, or was even a sun god until after the odyssey was written
Something you seem to have missed is that Apollo actually shares the Harp instrument with Hermes! This is because in Greek Lore, Hermes was the one who gave Apollo his Harp as a gift after stealing his cows
Lyre not harp
@@leonglitch just got one for my birthday whoopee
17:30 Plus Hera is the goddess of family and marriage so that answer goes doublly hard for her.
"You are playing with thunder for a man full of shame." Zeus, you know damn well Odysseus is shameless.
😂😂I mean, you're not wrong. But it works so well for him. That man is cunning personified.
epic odysseus is at least 30% shame by volume
The jaw drop that is Ares’ entrance. The god of war did not stutter.
This song was unexpectedly hard, Zeus reminds me of my own dad. Setting the goal posts in one place but steering you in another.
If I had to guess since he said "OR me." He wanted her to basically say, "Your opinion is all that matters" and grovel to him more
"Never once has he cheated on his wife" cue the Mortius as Hermes cackling
I don't know if anyone else has said it here but, during the flashback the piano is playing "Warrior of the Mind" but when Athena takes Telemachus into her arms it switches to "Legendary"
I don't think she is gone gone, because gods can kill each other over and over... They always come back. Maybe she's not coming for the rest of EPIC but, she's not dead dead
Athena willing to do Anything for her Warrior of the Mind- my heart...
I do like that weird quirk of Zeus's where he likes to use unusual definitions of words. First "sublime" as a verb, now "apprehensions" in the literal sense of bindings. Once just feels like a lyricist's idiosyncracy; twice makes it seem more like the character's.
Since I haven't seen it posted yet, Brandon McInnis(Apollo) is a voice actor. Credits include Finral(Black Clover), Sir Nighteye(My Hero Academia), Gen(Dr. Stone)
during the aphrodite + ares snippet, ares' entrance is accompanied by the text "quick-thought X2", which implies that ares has his own quick-thought ability, and uses it during athena's quick-thought in order to probably isolate them
I like to imagine God Games as sort of a montage, like diagetically these discussions are much longer and more complex but we as the audience only see the highlights
Aphrodite makes a great point. The Trojan War was over when Anticlea saw the storm cover his ship. She died because he spited Polyphemus, pissing off Poseidon, who then sent said storm. Granted, Athena only got glimpses of what happened because she had to look into his memories, since she had abandoned him by that point. Also, I did the math, and Odysseus's luck ran out 3 years after Athena abandoned him. She hadn't seen him in a decade, and "Thunder Bringer" was 7 years prior to this saga, so 10-7=3 years. Athena _was_ Odysseus's luck. He got lucky that Hermes was snooping around Aeaea, because they all would've died without divine intervention. Without the moly, the men that got turned into pigs were as good as dead, and he wanted to confront Circe with NO plan whatsoever on how to beat a woman who can transform men into pigs. He didn't even have concepts of a plan. It would've been as hopeless as fighting Scylla without the moly.
Aphrodite point is negated by the fact she is the reasonable for the Trojan War, No war and Odysseus would never run into Polyphemus.
@@PM-ov9sg To an extent. Paris could maybe still have abducted Helen without her help. Plus, Odysseus swore an oath that obligated him to go to war. He could've not made that deal. Also, this is about Odysseus's actions, not hers. He's the one being (essentially) prosecuted by the gods.
I would have loved for God Games to be its own saga (with Casper as Hades obviously), all the gods were so awesome, but I do understand that it's probably way too much to ask
When I was looking at the early promos for God Games, I honestly thought this was going to be its own saga considering how many characters were involved and the fact that there were "levels."
I don't know if it counts as a critique, but if there is one thing I'm sad about when it comes to this Saga its that I wish God Games was an entire Saga unto itself. I'd have loved back-to-back "Boss fights" between Athena and the other gods. But I guess wanting more is a good problem to have.
Yeah god games needed to be longer at the very least.
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18:06 he was moreso mad at the fact that she thought that the opinion of the other gods actually mattered to Zeus over his own opinion. Hence why he said "or me"
Ares: "Is she dead?"
One song earlier: Calypso: "Last I checked, goddesses can't die."
Ares instrument is actually an erhu, an Asian string instrument. And he has the same motif as Athena because he also can use quick thought
fun confirmed fact by Jorge: Hera is based on Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive"!
"to make me feel shame" was a reference to the fact Athena used him cheating to win Hera's vote. "YOU DARE TO DEFY ME?!" is because technically the gods don't discuss Zeus's infidelity, they know it happens. But Hera is the goddess of marriage, so its kinda a ugly family "secret".
Anyways, yeah, he took that part personally
“hamilton could never” i’m CRYING
I love how everyone’s initial reaction to Hera is just
*Excited confusion noises*
tbh I love that Hephaestus comes into this with the mentality of "fuck you, Athena, this could've been an EMAIL!"
It’s 23 hours until this is live and there is currently 22 people waiting 😂
I mean, even Kronos is still technically alive. Cubed and burning in Tartarus, but alive.
And Tartarus itself is a corpse technically, iirc, isn't it? Or something like that, at least.
@@Nemial-l7i Tartarus is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. As a deity, that gets overcomplicated because Tartarus was a primordial deity.
I think Zeus said 'Or me' either because 'either me or the 5' OR convince them, but even if you technically win, I'm still not gonna say 'yes' so...🤷♀️
18:00 While that is true, I'm sure Zeus did not like his infidelity being brought up in a arena.
I think it's super cool that at around 18:46 the motif for worrior of the mind slowly transitions into legendary as (what i think is) a symbolisation of Athena transitioning from Odysseus to Telemachus as their mentors and in terms of closness in the relationship:)
I think the quickness of the gods to just choose to release odysseus shows how grand they truly are. His life doesnt really matter to them, so they care neither way, and the fact that Athena is pushing them back about as a fellow god is enough for them to let him get released
11:45 My assumption here is that if Aphrodite closed that curtain that counts as NOT getting her vote which means that Athena loses immediately.
fun fact athena is zeus favorit daugher and chiled. so imagine what he would have done to Ares his least favorit chiled
The silence in the end was deafening
JORGE WHEN I CATCH YOU JORGE
YESS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO REACT TO THIS!! Also this is so funny the censoring here 5:29
It doesn't include Athena's death, but Jorge is taking a lot of liberties. But also, I doubt Athena's dead. I have no idea what happened, but she's a goddess, she can't be DEAD.
"He can still build a future with those who miss him." His sister misses him, but when she finds out he widowed her to save himself, I'd be shocked if she was willing to have a future with him in her life.
Assuming he doesn't tell her the truth, she will live as a constant reminder of his guilt every time he sees her.
@@TwitchGlitch123 If he doesn't tell her, Poseidon should. He could turn all of the people who cared about those 600 men against Odysseus.
I'm surprised that the title isn't more... traumatised...?
Don’t worry
He’ll probably be crying by the end of this saga :D
Right? Like, when he reacted to Love In Paradise I was thinking "Buddy... you've got a big storm coming".
And a lot of thunder and lightning
19:28 Athena looks like she is freaking out about holding a baby
She _is_ one of the three ultra-virgin goddesses in the pantheon, she probably doesn't have much in the way of a maternal side xD
10:16 my personal headcanon is that Zeus and Athena are the only ones GENUINELY invested in the outcome of the games. Athena obviously wants to save her bestie, Zeus cares about his pride, but the other gods were just kinda called in and told to pick something to dislike about Odysseus XD
I need someone with more of a music brain to help me with this one - when Athena asks Aphrodite "Please reconsider this", is that the same melody/note progression as "Please don't make me do this" in The Horse and The Infant?
If the act of pleading with a god got its own little motif I think that would make so much sense.
They’re not quite the same, but that’s still cool!
@@NeuvilletteFan69 thank you! I figured it was a stretch but i just couldn't tell for sure
Waiting with open arms, but how much longer… Ah a warrior of the mind, Why not make it a game? Fight- Fight- Fight- Fight- Fight- Fight- ••• No.
-is it just me or is the lyrics, “Or me” and I hear “AND ME” I always confuse the two when singing it aloud!*
I mean, in the Demo version that I've memorised by heart that Jorge originally released, it WAS 'And me.' But I think he changed it.
Or me now means that Athena can fight the five gods, or him so of course Athena chose the option that wasn't convincing the king of Olympus, who is known to give Brutal punishments-
Also maybe he wanted Zeus to come off as more hate-able and cocky with 'No one wins my Game!!'
But no, not alone there definitely, I still accidentally say 'And me!' Sometimes cause of muscle memory-
I noticed the line change too from listening to the demo on repeat! I think it's an interesting change that depicts Zeus' prideful and poor sport-ness well.
Something I've waited this long to say;
During the end of Thunder Bringer, you hear Athena's piano.
In the same spot where she appears in Ody's memories above the shipwreck in "Love in Paradise".
I'm betting if you go to each of the places she "visits", it'll be there too. Not that I've looked myself.
Two things 1. I can’t wait to see Casper reaction to this one. 2. Two theory’s about this one 1 is that don’t think Athena dead but curse to be human. 2. The second theory I have is the irony between odyssey and Athena. Athena having human feeling towards him having a heart while odyssey is having more god feeling coming a monster
Gods can certainly be knocked out or imprisioned, but that in fact does not happen in homer's oddysey.
It does happen in the Illiad when Aphrodite and Ares take the battlefield. Though - they are injured and forced to retreat.
Wait….i can actually attend this one whooooh! Can’t wait to see him CRY!!!!
"And tell your lover that a broken heart can mend." A dead broken heart can't.
I'ma make it so you can't unhear this either. At 12:08, when he says he 'didn't even try to kill her,' it sounds like he 'didn't even try taquila.'
After i accidently spoiled myself on one of the songs in Ithaca Saga that Jorge previewed a year ago.....i just cannot wait for your reaction. I will give no hints, you will have to find out when it releases (unless you cannot resist like me xD)
Just... Get into the water.
Wait which one?
I intentionally spoiled myself on all the upcoming songs lol. Very excited for the reactions
@@GleamDrawz hint:
Bow
@@dualwieldroxas358 ohhh okay! Thanks for telling me! It must be a challenge to come up with something without giving it away. I appreciate it!
So I haven't seen anyone bring this up, but I think Zeus is so angry with Athena at the end (You dare to defy me / to make me feel shame) even though she did what he asked, is specifically because her final triumph in his game is a dig at him (Never once has he cheated on his wife.)
Yes, she won his game, but she did so by bringing up his major flaw in front of him and all the other gods at the very end. Her "killing blow" essentially is her calling him out to his wife, who is notoriously vindictive about his infidelity. In defending Odysseus, Zeus caught a stray and got mad about it.
I can practically picture Hera making eye contact with her husband from down in the pit and saying "Release him"
I’m surprised he didn’t notice that when Athena’s flashback happened the piano was warrior of the mind into the legendary melody
19:24 I absolutely love how Athena's piano motiff changes towards the end when she holds Telemachus. It changes from Warrior of the Mind to Legendary. Even though she had a blowout with Ody and she hasn't spoken to Tele much compared to how she has with Ody, their friendships mean so much to her that it's changed her.
I just found out about you today and I binged watched ALL your reactions (not including the duo reactions, but I plan to.) and coincidently you are doing yhe last song today.
I think it shows the most in Aphrodite and Ares's section, yeah they all have their reasons to not support Odysseus but ultimately he's one mortal guy, not any of their favorite specialist boys, so they don't have that much stake in him so I can kinda see that while Athena is trying her hardest it's literally just appealing to their flight of whimsy towards mortals.
That's how I interpret God games at least
Not so fun fact: apollo can sometimes be know as the god of prophesies (dont know how to write that word) so he knew what would happen in the end so he let himself get easily convinced😢
It really bugged me for a while how she convinced Aprodite, cuz it really seemed like Athena only gave Ares a reason to release Odiseus. But it just clicked while watching the reaction. Not just Ares and Athena, but Aphrodite is also a goddess of war! Having Odi kill all of Penelope's suitors is right up Aphrodite's alley
Ares: is she dead?
Me: uh you remember youre all immortal right?
Next Saga is probably where Odysseus leaves Calypso and tries to get home but needs to get past Charybdis the daughter of Gaea and Pontus.
Zeus didn't actually expect Athena to convince everyone. And he's narcisstic af. Generally those types don't handle being shown up or challenged very well. So. Yeah. Zeus sucks.
I managed to jump on the livestream for wisdom saga, and the RAECTIONS to the end were amazing.
10:42
chat.. we have been flipped off.
I'm an hour late, but why I personally think Ares is able to 'break out of' Athena's Quick thought is not because they're sblings. But rather because they are the two gods of war.
Yes, there is a God of War, and Goddess of War.
Which means they have something pretty fimmiliar as war was like a pretty huge thing in ancient Greece (and other European/Asian countries). So it would make sense for them to be somewhat able to interwine with one another's powers