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A bad product is one that will cost you more money when you have to replace it because it is poor quality, one that will damage you or other things, one that has no practical use, and anything that does not do what it is expected to do. There are tons of bad products. Such as PSUs that blow up for no good reason after being forced into newegg bundles. Yes, a lower priced product may not be as reliable or have all the nice features, but there is a minimum level of performance and expectations that it needs to meet.
@@GamersNexus You missed another Gigabyte banger. The 2080 and 3080 waterforce line both had custom loop waterblocks(the viewport design) that mix aluminum with nickel plated copper in the flow path.
Devil's advocate here. So "will cost you more money when you have to replace it" is just wrong. Consumables exist (and they can still be bad products). Operating costs exist (can differ between products, but your car either has oil changes or battery changes). Market value exists, resell value exists... It's not as simple. There's no minimum, for some applications ROI can be excellent for eseentially a single-use product, as long as you're making money on the service you're providing. You and me would call a product useless, but perhaps there's someone who has a job needing 5 minutes of this product, afterwards they won't need it again. Think about specialized tools, then start thinking even computer parts can be used for well paid short-term contracts, afterwards they go to a recycler. Go to any store, find cheapest piece of any kind of product, ask yourself if you would buy it (you wouldn't, I wouldn't) but then ask yourself why it's even there ;) Any such product should come with a warning label saying "this product WILL burst into flames after 15 minutes of use" or "this product WILL stop working after exactly 25 months of use" (I'm in EU, we're the ones making stuff more reliable for you US guys, so they work for exactly 24 months and a day, not 12 and a day, you're welcome!). I'm big on information. I always want to know what I'm getting into. I don't need ban on smoking in pubs (I'm so happy it's in place though!), I only needed a huge sign of "enter here if you want to commit a very VERY slow and very VERY painful suicide". That's what I want on my products. Real information. I will make my decision. And we both know people who will still make the opposite decision. Steve mentioned lettuce with E-coli, that was excellent. And yet, anti-vaxxers exist. You can give people all the information, they will ignore it. OK, I was wrong. People will purposefully ignore any warning, disregarding cost to benefit analysis. You're all right. I won't edit this comment to preserve the discovery process I went through while arguing on the Internet and then realizing I was wrong all along.
@@nobodylmportant that chode was a libertarian who refused to admit he was actually an anarchist. it seems the entire party has been hijacked by these psychos and its gotten to the point where i just make fun of all of em
Was the h1 case capable of housing an atx powersuply? If it was, imagine being the poor soul who got the bad riser and the bad power supply and the bad monitor before all the issues were found and they all failed at the same time, there is no way they would ever build their own PC setup again
@@qwkimball Nobody says that. It's about the usefulness of a product in the way the manufacturer meant it to be. You cannot put a "reasonable price" in your motto on a product that harms you or destroys your property. The only way to do that would be a negative price which would (at least in traditional meaning) be in conflict with the definition of a product. Of course we can say now "yeah but you can theoretically sell a product to a negative price, that doesn't harm the definition per se" but to that I can answer "yes of course you can, but you might as well doubt some of the fundamental assumptions of maths, which makes it so that you can no longer prove 1+1=2. No I am not kidding, this is a serious thing when you learn linear algebra, you can as well construct a mathematical space where 1+1=0 and prove that mathematically but that is of pretty few use, just like this "there is no bad product" crap. In day to day life there definitely *IS*. And everybody who's saying something different is either an idiot, has no sense of reality or want's to screw you.
I bought a recording interface that apparently didn't have any grounding circuit built in. The product is still being sold to this date. I was getting electrocuted very badly when trying to record a vintage guitar directly into it, or whenever my lips touched the microphone. Store refused to take it back due to it "being in working order". I refused to leave until they tested it. They were too scared to try it so after an hour of dealing with the manager, he finally grew the balls to test it. He got shocked bad enough that I got a full refund plus a $100 gift card as an apology.
I don't buy the story. It's not that difficult to test if there is current on something without touching it with your body. You don't need advanced equipment for that.
Most people kept those helmets because the only one that jad the issue was a specific GameStop model that apparently only 32 of were ever sold. The Bethesda Pre order helmet didn't have an issue, it was the GameStop helmets.
@@pl4yern45 It was blown really out of proportion tbh, since I believe it was linked to a singular warehouse that had a storage issue, thus the mold. It really only made headlines due to the previous controversy. As someone who bought the power armor edition, and the Pip-Boy edition, I’m biased, however I do not actively or really ever played Fallout 76. I say this because, I’ve never really been bothered by my purchase, and since other people got upset on my behalf, I got two fallout bags for the price of one.
As an Engineer I can say you are completely right, in product development there are various "properties" e.g. functional ones and exciting ones; the exciting ones can only ever have a positive impact on consumers, meaning higher popularity, if you don't have these features it wont hurt the reputation of the product. But the functional ones can only result in a bad reputation. So the moment a product doesn't meet the minimum requirement to do what it is supposed to do, that is literally the definition of a bad product (at least in my lectures).
I have a question about the Creed. The part where it says I pledge to place service before profit, the honor and standing of my profession before personal advantage, and the public welfare above all other considerations. I've always assumed this extends to ecology and sociology, i.e. right to repair. Are 100% of the disposable products engineered overseas, or do people just not care about the oath anymore? How do Bezos and Musk still have any Engineers working for them?
@@alakani I think there are a lot of professions with similar creeds, most notably medics. And many just don't care because such creed is contrary to liberal ideology and capitalism. Which are much more prevalent
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I love in the Fallout Helmet recall statement, "Approximately 20,000 units of the helmet were made, and 32 were sold through Gamestop." 32. Nationwide. And they all got brain mold.
Try sorting comments by date posted and you have idiots actually thinking like this. This is why companies can get away with inflated GPU prices with dog shit performance.
Not true. GN is wrong, there are indeed no bad products if the price is right. Imagine the worst PC ever. Now imagine a price tag of -1000 on it, i.e. you get 1000 dollars free money when you receive the junk PC. You'd have to be an idiot to not consider this a must buy.
@@haitianxu that's just because you get money for buying it lol, it doesn't make the product good. I know this is an iperbole, but gn of course is talking about more real situations. Would you put an absolute crap of a power supply in your pc if it was free? I wouldn't
If you buy from Dell with a brain in your head, you can get quite lovely discounts and absolutely great products. Don't buy anything they prebuilt without your direct specifications, and you're fine. Prebuilt anything is crap.
There are bad products AND bad prices. A bad product is any product which is faulty to the point of potentially putting the user in danger, or one which is simply defective. A bad price is one which is too high for the product that price is attached to.
Bingo. The 6500 XT is not horrible, it's still capable of gaming and it's the cheapest gpu you can get brand new on the market. That said, even being the cheapest it's still overpriced lmao. If it was 100$ it might be ok.
I always put the caveat of "if it works as advertised/works properly" before I used that dreaded phrase. I've seen far too much crap that's faulty or outright dangerous. I remember cars that would get their accelerator pedal stuck down, christmas lights that posed an inevitable fire hazard, toasters that could easily electrocute you and others that would burn you if you touched the outside, and in my own country, a recall on BABY FORMULA because it had a high level of LEAD CONTAMINATION.
You sort of start to caveat the point out of the statement at that point though. You're essentially saying "There's no bad product, apart from the bad ones" so I question the point of the statement as a whole
I drove a Chevy Malibu as a rental once and thought to myself- this is not really a bad car. Then one remembers that the Camry and Accord exist and we do not in fact live in a bubble devoid of competition.
Yeah, that's why GM ended production of Chevrolet sedans a few years ago. Consumers got tired of their cheap oil burning cars. GM had the gall to tell customers that relatively new Chevrolets burning engine oil is normal, which was probably a design flaw, and that was a lie. Sedans from Toyota, Honda, and Mazda are extremely dominant against the competition.
My first car was a Buick century. Gm has constant electrical gremlins because they buy cheap electronics from China. I had to replace my front right turn signal almost as often as I put gas in the thing. The car kept melting the turn signal. It also had the notorious intake manifold gasket leak because dexcool antifreeze becomes extremely acidic and disolved the very gaskets that are supposed to hold it in. If you look at various reviews of that car most of the complaints are "antifreeze leak" or "oil mixing with antifreeze."
Reminds me of the Chevrolet Aveo (also known as Chevrolet Sonic) my mom got from work (Leasing services), what a garbage of a car, (really) bad breaks, abysmal safety rating (1.5 stars out of 5 in testings) and burning oil fast. It was so bad that the leasing companies has decided to replace the cars a year in advance because of it, it was a rubbish which can now be found for 2500$ even in my (very expensive) country and no one (unless they are very desperate) would buy this junk. Generally speaking, American cars had a really bad reputation back then, fuel guzzling unreliable cans which had to go to the garage for repairs very often (the European cars didn't fare much better back then either, with the exception of the German ones), especially when they were contrasted against the Japanese (and some Korean) cars which were much more reliable and fuel efficient (and still keep their value very well, a Suzuki Sx4 from 2011 can still be sold for over 10K$). There's a reason why the big three US car companies collapsed and it wasn't due to unfair competition.
Man I disagree, I drove a 2022 Camry as a rental for a weekend, the car had 3 miles and I hated it. It was weak, seats uncomfortable, super bad acceleration (laughable), the instrument cluster felt 10 year old, but at least it had apple car play. Also the CVT transmission felt horrible and clumsy. The first car I bought was a 2014 Ford Fusion, that 8 year old car feels better better in every regard with the exception of the infotainment since it doesn’t have Apple car play but it still has Bluetooth and can do anything except the apps. Would I trust the fusion over the Camry when it comes to reliability? Absolutely not. But man I’m never touching Toyota, they always feel a decade behind everyone else. Their Tacoma is mother example
@@THEZWARRIORWAR I think the 2022 Camry has an 8-speed automatic transmission and not CVT. The Corolla uses a CVT. I guess your Camry rental had the 2.5L 4-cylinder engine, which is decent up to 205hp. I heard that the new 8-speed has a poorer acceleration compared to their last gen 6-speed. The new engine and new transmission for this generation has a huge focus on fuel efficiency, so the tradeoff is poor acceleration. I drove the last generation Camry 4-cylinder, and it's not exactly inspiring with its performance. Nowadays, gas pedals are actuators for computers to read, and cables are gone. The acceleration is all over the place. The Camry 3.5L V6 with 301hp would theoretically be a better performer. Also, your rental had three miles on it, so the car isn't broken in yet. The car still has to learn idle and the user's driving style. The reason why they feel a decade behind is they focus on reliability and ease of mass production. Changes are incremental and easy to fix if issues occur. The Japanese car makers won the sedan market while Ford and GM abandoned sedans with Dodge's high-performance sedans standing alone to represent the Big Three. One good thing about older cars before infotainment systems became popular is that they are harder to hack. Being assassinated by one's car would be sad.
"Its a really cheap screwdriver, the value was good!" It was so cheap the philips driver tip broke off in a screw after going halfways into a board, so we had to use pliers to back the screw out.
And the inverse of this. Poorly quality screws that snap off when they're halfway in -especially when they break flush with the wood and are then impossible to get out, blocking another screw from being put in their place. If that happens, with any regularity, under normal conditions, they are bad even if free.
Well, that's what you get for not watching The Verge's highly-technical build video. EVERYBODY knows you need a Swiss Army Knife, with (hopefully) a Phillips screwdriver.
@@dashcamandy2242 as a tech i actually do use a swiss army knife often, its got a flat head screwdriver tip.. and it works on Phillips pc screws no problem.. (i only use it when my screw driver is too far away to bother getting)
I work in a produce department. We were actually shocked to not have a recall on salads with E.coli this holiday season lol. There were rumors around the internet about it, so some people came in assuming we were selling bad product. As if we ever could.
Only for fans over 18 years old Aishite.Tokyo/shizumi ❤🔥 mañas no se la Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter Asi con toy y sus mañas no se la lease que escriba bien mamon hay nomas pa ra reirse un rato y no estar triste y estresado.por la vida dura que se vive hoy . Köz karaş: ''Taŋ kaldım'' Erinder: ''Sezimdüü'' Jılmayuu: ''Tattuuraak'' Dene: ''Muzdak'' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu gana taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. ''Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt'' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu.#垃圾 Son unos de los mejores conciertos , no puede ir pero de tan solo verlos desde pantalla, se que estuvo sorprendente 💗❤️💌💘
I learned quite a bit about that, romaine is especially at risk because of its grow season relative to other local crops. Nearby field gets fertilized, lettuce gets contaminated. and here I thought veggies were 'good for you'
It's actually a good PSA reminder to everyone, always Google/RUclips search any product you're thinking of buying. I Imagine most already do, but for those who don't then just do it, as shown here instead of withdrawing a potentially dangerous product a retailer response to possibly burning down your house/doing serious damage, 'oh just make it cheaper'.
The world of paid reviews makes this extremely hard, I’ve been duped multiple times even after going through tens of reviews only to find out later that the company aggressively pays for reviews and a search through a forum reveals how bad they really are
At some point the fact that any resources were used on a product which could have gone into making something else make it a bad product no matter how much money you get for taking it.
There are no bad products, only bad prices. Some products are worth $0, some are worth couple of cents (price of capacitors and resistors you could extract from them). And everything could be evaluated by price/performance ratio, only that would ruin GN business.
It's a symptom of years on years of good engineering, QA, regulation, and reviews that people have little to no experience with dangerous or irredeemably shoddy equipment.
Another product to add to the pile, that I remembered as you talked about DVI, is the DisplayPort Pin 20 issue, where cheap, out-of-spec cables could back-feed power into your GPU from the monitor. At best, it could cause the computer to fail to boot unless you unplugged the cable and plugged it back in after POST. At worst I expect that sort of thing could damage the GPU.
Oh my god, this issue IS SO ANNOYING. I have a graveyard of brand new display port cables which i received assurance would not have the issue. The factory that makes those cables needs to burn!
My favorites are the class of Amazon products that require repairs out of the box. I received an electric soap dispenser not too long ago that had the battery tray wired wrong. Ten minutes with a soldering iron later, it worked fine.
@gmu_alum08 just the fan header isn't that hard I've soldered pins onto a passive card that had an identical board to the actively cooled one. same PCB, just a different cooler. works perfectly fine. and the fan runs as expected. or just recently I repaired a clock by bridging a 0 Ω resistor with a piece of wire.
I've learned to check the ground on any cheap product bought online. Just because it says it is grounded on the box and comes with a three pronged plug does not mean that it's properly grounded. Best is when the cable has the prong, but they just cut off the ground wire.
Only for fans over 18 years old Aishite.Tokyo/shizumi ❤🔥 mañas no se la Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter Asi con toy y sus mañas no se la lease que escriba bien mamon hay nomas pa ra reirse un rato y no estar triste y estresado.por la vida dura que se vive hoy . Köz karaş: ''Taŋ kaldım'' Erinder: ''Sezimdüü'' Jılmayuu: ''Tattuuraak'' Dene: ''Muzdak'' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu gana taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. ''Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt'' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu.#垃圾 Son unos de los mejores conciertos , no puede ir pero de tan solo verlos desde pantalla, se que estuvo sorprendente 💗❤️💌💘
@LunarVVolf You'll be happy to know Radio Shack is about to launch a new cryptocurrency by combining all the worst parts of crypto with all the worst parts of regular money, in partnership with "CEO’s who lead the world’s corporations"
Having experienced a power supply (in a pre-built system, in my teenage years) damage two of four ram slots during a breaker trip event due to a vacuum cleaner running, I definitely learned that there are bad products at any price. This is why I spent 180$ on a decent corsair psu way back in 2008 on my last build, which, 13 years of daily use later, still runs! On that note, I gotta say that I'm really glad I found your channel this month while diving back into PC building for the first time since the days of the core i7 920 (I was way overdue). Back in the day I was a big fan of HardOCP (RIP). Your channel content, industry callouts and rigorous testing really remind me of them and all of their best qualities and has helped me catch up big time on the latest tech while helping me make informed choices. You guys are my new gold standard. Thanks!
The bad products that I see MOST often with people building PCs, especially on a budget - are cases. I've help builds two PCs for my nephews - and both picked cases based purely on looks, and not performance. Obviously I made sure they got a great airflow case, thanks to your guys work. I've helped plenty of friends build their PCs as well, and I routinely see that. Or they just pick a brand named case - but it looks good. And they have terrible airflow, which can potentially reduce performance overall. There are so many cases out there around the 40-50$ price tag that look so good - but perform like a trash bag. Just because it comes with three fans doesn't make it a good airflow case. Appreciate all the work you guys do. The one word that I always think of when it comes to your team is Integrity. Integrity at the highest level. And that's much appreciated by the community. You guys have assembled a great team and excellent standardized tests for products. And you give ZERO slack to companies.
Bad product: a caulking gun with sheet metal trigger so thin it bent the first time using a fresh tube, breaking the trigger and breaking the mechanism in such a way that it also managed to pierce the side of the caulk tube. Not a big deal; neither was expensive but it really just pissed in my Weet-Bix as I had deadlines to meet at the time.
We used to have a word for these; they're called scams. Victims of these may have overdosed on copium so much that they're in this perpetual state of denial. So everytime they see a negative review, it triggers a defense reflex of "it's just badly priced" to hide their terrible case of buyer's remorse.
I mean the entire "console war" is derived from this. People not having enough money to buy both consoles so they make a choice and now forever feel compelled to defend their purchase and deride anyone who chose to go another way. Thankfully it's calmed down compared to the olden days but it's still a dumb impulse people have.
Really appreciate your sense of humor here, and I would rather have someone in this space err on the side of critical rather than let something bad slip by. You are doing what you say in each review you set out to do, which is providing the best info and perspective to the consumer that you can. Its up to us to take that info and do with it as we please. Keep up the good work!
"My house was burnt down! Firefighters found out it was bad power supply (or graphics card express cable extender). Apparently, by Reddit's logic, I paid too much for it.. Maybe if I had paid less, house wouldn't had burnt down." Totally makes sense.
Used a type of plaster to fill and smooth over a few holes in a wall. It hardened remarkably slowly, and after it hardened it was impossible to sand it down to make it smooth. It was advertised as workable and smoothable the only solution was getting a chisel and destroying it with incredible force, which turned a two-hour job into a six-hour one.
That was probably some type of polyfilla(TM). Its made to do very small patchwork and not really made to be as easily sandable as plaster. Tip: It normally stays water soluble even when dry so you can rework and remove it with a wet rag (not a sandpaper).
@LabRat Knatz Well it also had like a strange texture too it felt like plastic. But it sure was durable was hard to remove afterwards. I guess it's the perfect gift for enemies like the risers
Spot on Steve. There is not a direct relationship between physical and financial products. Truth be told, you could probably sell burial insurance for goldfish with the right price and actuarial tables. Enjoyed the content.
I work at a Walmart and have for the past 5 years. I unload trucks in the backroom. When I first started we had a manual line, where one guy would put freight on it, another guy would push it down, and then the rest of the team would sort it onto pallets. It had very few problems. The two main ones were some of the rollers at the very front broke off and some of the wheels weren't bolted to the frame, meaning if they passed over a gap they would just fall out. They were attached to a thick bar that ran all the way through the leg, so all you had to do was go outside, retrieve the wheel, and slot it back in. There was almost no maintenance done to the thing and it run perfectly fine. Then we switched over to an automatic machine. It had a powered flexible conveyor and a giant scanner that would automatically sort stuff down lanes and we just had to collect them and put them on pallets. We have to wait for the machine to reconfigure itself every time we connect a new section of conveyor, the flexible conveyor is constantly having wheels SHEARED off, it doesn't read a lot of things correctly so a lot of freight is rejected and sent to the back, and the list goes on. I don't know how much the old manual line cost or how long we had it, but it's lasted a good few years and we even still use the butt end of it for the new machine's reject lane. The new machine cost a quarter of a million dollars and has had people come out to fix it a dozen times in 2 years. It's not uncommon to see one of the legs propped up with a milk crate. The amount of dollars spent repairing and replacing parts and the time lost due to inactivity doesn't justify the cost of buying and running this thing, even if it cost $100. It's a waste of time, metal, and silicon.
As a new/recent viewer, I for one am _thankful_ that Gamer's Nexus calls out this sort of shit when they see/come across it. Much obliged, for both pointing out good valued product (i.e. the i5-11400/i5-11600K w/r/t trade-offs) and calling out bad product that should be avoided completely (i.e. aforementioned exploding PSUs).
I remember years ago I had a CD drive in my little PC that I'd literally never used, spontaneously burst into flames and blow black soot all over my wall. I remember my dad picking it up and putting it in the bathtub.
This is why I advocate for many separate OCP circuits in the power supplies. But "single rail" has become so marketable because people don't want to think when assembling their PC. This wouldn't have prevented this particular fire, but it can prevent much more substantial ones. That being said I've torn apart a number of optical drives and I've never seen a power input fuse on them to try to prevent fire. There's nothing they can do regarding components, they'll all malfunction and short occasionally due to latent defects. But if there was a fuse, I'm not convinced it'd be entirely helpful, because they need like 3A to spin up and you can make a veritable fire at the resulting 35W already. One important consideration is material grade, like you can expect the materials to at least be self extinguishing, though it will still throw a lot of soot around till that action kicks in.
Oh man, the moldy Fallout 76 helmet. I remember that one. Fallout 76 just couldn't stay out of the news for a while there. Not nearly as bad as moldy helmets, but how about the bottles of rum or whatever that were advertised to be in a special glass bottle and instead came in a cheap plastic shell? 🤣
@Stein Mauer No, please stop doing that. Please stop blaming the end customer for bad corporate culture. They do it because they have shareholders who demand growth quarter to quarter and over a long enough time span that has meant cutting corners at every possible turn to scrape even the tiniest amount of money back. Thus shit like AMD doing stuff like x4 pci-e lanes on a $200 dollar graphics card to save 1/10th of a penny on some traces to maximize profit. Who asked for that? No one. No customer has ever asked for shittier stuff, they were given shitter stuff at the same price as the old non-shitter stuff and now are either forced to deal with the sub-par quality or buy something more expensive.
@@devilmikey00 how dumb are you? They didn't cut pci-e 3 lanes to save 2 cents, for that card to be above 4 lanes you would have to reengineer whole chip dude
There would be ZERO bad products if consumers refused to buy them. There would be ZERO scalpers if consumers refused to buy, from them. There would be ZERO drug cartels if people refused to buy narcotics. Apple I-Phones wouldn't have a 200% markup, if consumers refused to pay it. There would still be consumer protections if we didn't keep voting for deregulation. See a pattern? It's not just greedy companies. It's stupid, easily manipulated voters and our inability to refuse our own self indulgence. ...but at least we will band together by the millions to protest against life-saving vaccines and masks... Welcome to Stupid. Earth's new name... sorry... Flat-Earth's new name.
Miss the "Thank you, Steve." - Intel. Haha. It's really reassuring to continue and see you guys challenge and fight the bullshit, and that you aren't intimidated by these companies and say the truth, keep up the good work, GN! Can't wait for the RTX 3050 review, though, it physically can't be any worse at this point, that's AMD's destiny, apparently.
Paid reviews are a prime example of a Bad Product; you lose the objectivity and data in favor of what the manufacturer and marketers want you to think about their products! They're literally free to view, but they are useless to the consumer!
Not sure how "gaming chairs" escaped this one. Especially considering how physically damaging they can be. That being said.... I actually know how to design and have designed products. There are bad products. There are also a special category for products that are a waste of resources, time, money, and investment and designed to literally break moments after purchase. I've had a coffee maker that lasted 2 pots. I've had kitchen faucets that are impossible to not leak water everywhere. I've had shower heads that don't shower. I've had waterproof products that aren't. I've had cell phones that are so designed to run so hot that they literally destroy themselves. Laptops that do the same thing. Electronics that just weren't grounded and you knew it (especially fun on speakers). The entire Roku line and their inability to sync audio. Spotify forcing people to break the law to accept an ad to get music to encourage spending. EA video games. Mobile games and other games designed to predate on children and their unsuspecting parents. Google play and their "we can't refund anything" policy if the developer has received the money and scammed the consumer. About 60% of the trash sold on Amazon. There's a lot of waste and things that are just bad products and specifically rip off or make it so hard to find actual, legitimate, manufactured products that you wanted to buy. My favorite "bad product" is that furniture you get and open up and you just know it's gonna break but because you're the one who has to assemble it, it's your fault and you can't replace it because the parts are non standard. (Like those cheap dressers that the drawers literally don't drawer, shelves that don't shelf things, etc.) I got a "vacuum seal" pantry container with one of those pop lids. Very excited because it was for flour, sugar, etc. and it would've been easy for the kids to use. We got the product, the lid didn't lit, the vacuum didn't do anything, and if you don't carry it by the base (and the kids didn't) then you have a broken canister and a mess to clean. Appliances is a major one. "Food sold in the store" that is marketed as "fresh" but is literally just rotten food that had to be relabeled or modified in some way for it to be relabeled and not thrown out. So many things......
Oh man, this comment just sparked some buried trauma for me, haha. Talking about products designed to run so hot they kill themselves: I bought a $3000 Alienware M17 R2 back around 2010 (worst decision of my life - by far). The GPUs (yes, it had crossfire, 2x 7780's iirc) ran over 120°C normally, and literally melted the boards themselves. The cards were bent to the point that they stopped working. Under warranty, *each* GPU was replaced 3 times during the time that I was still using it. It also lasted about 40 minutes on its battery just sitting idle on the desktop when it was new. I remember I timed it while just watching a video in VLC, and it lasted 12 minutes before it shut off. The laptop also weighed about 20 lbs since the case is 1/8in thick aluminum for absolutely no reason. I dropped it on my hardwood floor once, and it dented the floor.
@@wumi2419 No, it isn't. This is the same stupid argument that Steve is arguing against. Breaking consumer law is not good business strategy. Potentially causing physical harm or worse, death, is not a good business strategy.
My friend (and csgo teammate) has a laptop with like a 3Ghz boost on a 10th gen intel CPU ... It has the worst possible cooling that makes it a sub60 or even 50fps experience. In the BIOS there's no option to turn of intel speed boost etc.. so it can't get to a perhaps sustainable 1Ghz?? for a stable framerate. It even has a dGPU(maybe mx150) AT NO PRICE is it a good product that won't fry itself in a few years :( p.s. I'll look up the model, it's hilarious xD
I agree that there is no bad products, only bad prices. Because If I got paid to take home one of theese GIGABYTE time bombs and just throw it out later, I would sure do it.
Glad you made this video. Been having a hard time making a decision in regards to ever upgrading my LGA 1200 now that 12th Gen has a different socket. I have a 10900 and even though I live near a microcenter with very good prices upgrading to 11th doesn’t make much sense. It’s a downgrade and not worth getting for PCIe 4.0. Hurts but it’s how the industry works.
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Well it really depends what you are doing with it eh? For casual gaming and no real hard work it is still pretty good. I mean if you play on 4k the CPU is not really a big factor anyway?! I had an I5 OC to 5,2 ghz I bought in 2012 with a custom loop till 2018. The custom loop still works even with the tubes from back then because the cooler company is awesome and makes new clamps just for every socket design.
for me and my experiences, this is almost how i feel with the phrase "you get what you pay for" which is a phrase i actually tend to almost get physically violent from... as for damn near my entire life of only having to work with cheap stuff due to being poor, or learning how to fix it other wise i'll no longer have it, this has very rarely ever been the case, especially in clothing. shoes being a good recent one for working in restaurants for non-slips. boss got me these expensive FILA brand shoes that were close to $100, they only lasted about 3-4 months before showing bad ware, 2 months after that, the tops were really bad and split and the sole was more than half off. would have been better to tape shoes on my feet at the time. had to glue them together with gorilla glue til i was able to afford new one's. got new one's that were like $40 bucks, so far, lasted double the time and only had to glue the very tips of them and also still look better lol. there is MANY things out there including tech that does this. granted care level can also come into affect, but with some things this may not be the a factor to make a difference on how long they last. remember friends back in the day getting expensive ass skateboarding shoes when we all skated and they were upwards to $200 and they'd be wearing them second day and get water on them from a puddle and they started to literally fall apart that entire day, here i am with $10-$20 shoes and only dying issues from being wet lol. i'd give more examples but this would have been 3 times as long, did write it out but deleted it... just feel like people hold onto these phrases for some reason no matter if you explain a crap product is being over priced and they still lean on that phrase even if it's being scalped... i feel like, if there was channels who was as dedicated to their product testing's as you guy's are with tech for almost every product category, there would be a LOT of things different and differently priced... some even stopped being produced because of how bad it is, in turn also potentially less waste.
Well on the one hand there's a lower price threshold below which a particular level of quality cannot be achieved; and on the other way too many companies just sell absolute bottom tier garbage based on their reputation or heavy marketing, where product cost and product price are completely divorced from each other, and there's like thousands of categories where this is unfortunately the norm. And then there's a third case where if you buy the highest end GPU or something else, you get something that scrapes the very limits of physically possible, tuned to the absolute maximum, so you pay a lot more but also get a less reliable product, because well that's how it is, you need that performance; or products that release unready but due to a critical market opportunity, cannot just be delayed, so what you're getting maybe isn't good, and you're paying a lot relative to what you're getting, but maybe it's something that you really need, and it's kind of pointless to be too harsh on something that can't be done better for the time being, even if it's obviously flawed.
I had a vacuum cleaner that was so bad I genuinely preferred to use a broom. It was essentially nonfunctional. It would take an hour to vacuum even a small room. You could argue that trying to use it costs you much more time, which indirectly costs you money, than using a good vacuum or even a broom. It would be one thing if it worked poorly but did work, but eventually you reach a threshold where nonfunctional and extremely poor performance are basically the same thing. If you need to cook food but can't even reach temperatures hot enough for long enough to make the food safe, you have achieved the same thing as not cooking the food for all practical purposes.
Hey Steve, the reason you hear this a lot in the computer journalism space is because Anand Lal Shimpi, the founder of Anandtech, used to say this. Ian Cutress still repeats this phrase in his articles on Anandtech from time to time and he sometimes phrases it as "as Anand used to say to me...". It's obviously just an expression that is supposed to be applied to poorly priced products that are otherwise perfectly attractive to the target audience; not to poorly engineered hazards that will damage your belongings and/or hurt you. You could try asking Dr Cutress if there is a longer history to it. Thought you might find this interesting.
The 7740x was ridiculous. More memorable because of Linus' rant about HEDT walking around the street of Taiwan. It should never have existed, especially at the price they were asking.
Steve, I requested a product review a few months ago at the height of the gigabyte stories and last week I saw three reddit posts about the same gigabyte product. Its a preblock aorus 3080 gaming OC waterforce that appears to be mixing metals. Gigabyte won't admit to it after multiple calls and emails with them, but obvious corrosion is happening within days or weeks of installation. This could be a fun bad product to review.
Mission accomplished, Steve! That video had more comedic and entertainement value than the 6500 XT probably has for those looking for an ugprade. Kudos! :)
soon enough hardware manufacturers will pay you to dispose of their hot garbage 🤣 "uh sorry gamers we broke too many of them 😢 it would cost us a fortune to have it hauled away... could you take advantage of our partner's free shipping and your local waste management?"
At this point I'm convinced we should clone Steve and place him in the marketing departments of every major company out there to stop the bullshitting they do
It's pretty pointless. The one sinister aspect is planned obsolescence which is a real thing. So while we rebuke "there is no such thing as bad products if the price is right," we allow manufacturers to set the time frame on when a product will start to fail.
Agreed 100%. There's definitely a case to be made by something having greater value when being in a lower price bracket, but when something just plain does not work, then it absolutely qualifies as a bad product.
Hi, to my fellow member of the "Legion of Steves" (That's a 70's reference to Marvel Comics creators who all shared our name). The form of this "no bad, only" quote turns up a lot of places. In the late 80's, writer Alan Moore used to say (after being universally praised for turning the moribund "Swamp Thing" title at DC into a work of brilliance) "There are no bad characters or plots, only bad writers and artists." I'm betting the quote goes a long way back, it'd be fun to find the first citation. Your opening was hilarious, showing the flames and sparks. If you've time for an old martial arts joke, it relates. An eager young student goes off to study logic. He returns to the monastery telling his master, "I can prove ANYTHING with words". The master, showing impressed interest, says, "That's very excellent. Can you prove you have no nose?" The young acolyte goes through a lot of epistemological gymnastics, and seemingly indeed has proved he has no nose. Whereupon his master strikes him a sharp blow to the center of his face, and she innocently asks him, "What hurts?" I'm old enough to have worked in consumer rights activism, back in the Nader's Raiders days. I want to thank you for a channel that continually takes the rights of the consumer to heart, and arms people with information with which they can protect themselves.
There's a lot of brain dead "people" who love to defend corporations, the "don't ask questions just consume product and get excited for next product" type of person. So when they say "there's no bad products" what they really mean is "STOP CRITICISING THE COMPANY WHICH I ADORE AND CHOOSE TO WORSHIP, THIS IS BLASPHEMY, REEEEEEEEEEE!"
And I love how Nvidia themselves basically made what amounts to a first-party version of what scammers do with older video cards, i.e. edit the BIOS so it would report as something newer.
You act like this is new for nVidia. The Geforce 4MX was a Geforce 2MX at it's core. The entire Geforce 100-series line up was just rebadged Gefore 9 chips for sale by OEMs. Same with the Geforce 300 series, which were just 200 series with added on support for Dx10.1. Geforce 800 series was even more messed up, those were laptop GPUs which could either be rebadged 700 series or you might get lucky and it's a rebadged 900 series.
I love the argument "Well, they can't make the price any lower." If it isn't possible to make a product cheap enough to give it value to the consumer, it's a BAD PRODUCT.
Ah the 7740X, a 7700k pretending poorly to be an X99 or X299 product, would've been slightly interesting if it had the extra features like memory/PCIe like you said, otherwise it was a blonde moment for Intel they'd rather forget I think
Absolutely hilarious video. Loved seeing this kind of video from you guys. A bad product I've dealt with and probably everyone else is fucking GAMING CHAIRS. It's the worst purchase I've done in my life, they have ruined my back of years of usage before i realized the chairs were the problem.
I once bought a can opener at the dollar store for $1 because I needed one at work and it opened 3/4 of a can before breaking. Not worth it at any price. I still had to use my keys to open my lunch.
I think I can simplify a lot of the comments about bad products and people's feelings about them in general. When you reduce it down to it's basic elements it is hard to argue anything except that a bad product is one which does not fulfil it's purpose. So the arguments therefore become about what exactly the purpose of a product, or products in general *is* and whether or not this can reasonably change depending on things like price. I feel like in just about all the cases you mention the products were *intended* to be competitive offerings at their initial price, and that being such products and selling well as a direct result was their purpose. All of them failed in this, their initial purpose, and so were at least at one time bad products by definition. In a few of the cases maybe you could argue that they later found a new purpose and so were acceptable products again, but man that's really grasping at straws in a lot of cases and is tenuous at best, and it still doesn't change the fact that they were bad products.
From manufacturer standpoint, product is good if it brings profit. And as manufacturers usually sell to retail in bulk, they get their share early, and then reseller attempts to sell products another time, with significant mark-up.
Great points. For a change, I would love to see a video on great products, you know, to celebrate lightning in a bottle, like the gts 8800 or the 1080 Ti, the 2600k, the B450 Tomahawk (a motherboard that is better than a lot of the x470 motherboards.
GN only ever stated they heavily favor maybe like 2 cases. I don't think there are product that deserve great product in their mind, and that's probably a good mindset. You give company a nanometer, they will take a lightyear in return, and that's probably an understatement.
Twenty years ago, replacement BMW auto parts supply chain was flooded with bad clones. One week and one trip after installing all new front suspension components, they were worn out...
I had an SMSL AD18 mini desktop amplifier for my Micca MB42x speakers and a Polk sub. After a few months, the unit would randomly jump-scare me with unbelievably loud bursts of static that would only be temporarily remedied by turning it off and back on. Hours were spent troubleshooting to no avail, and I managed to find other reviews out there who reported the same problem. Then 6 months later the headphone output stopped working completely. Customer support was non-existent. The company keeps moving the product to new pages on Amazon, I'm guessing in an attempt to scrub bad reviews from their page. The point is, bad products do exist and Amazon is littered with them.
I had a bad experience with Ryzen 3000 series processors, the early revisions of this CPU had faulty memory controller which failed at high cpu loads so I had to replace mine twice. I think AMD quietly replaced these cpus with new batches.
My 3900X would randomly reboot when completely idle, never when under load. My 5900X has no such issues. I discovered it was due to the CPU not liking the SoC, VDDP and VDDG voltages that my board gave it. Slightly reducing those fixed it, but I should've never had to do that in the first place.
If you want to be extremely pedantic with the "no bad products" then these products have a negative price- i.e. how much would someone have to pay you to expose yourself to helmet mold?
I also remember the time in I think late 90's when it seemed like everything was dieing very quickly with capacitors leaking all over the place. My understanding is that there were a bunch of bad capacitors coming from a factory in China that ended up in many things like on a lot of motherboards where they would fail in a few weeks or months instead of years. Supposedly this was from the Chinese company stealing an incomplete dielectric formula from a Japanese company, but I don't have a source for that and don't know how true it is. Still a product that fails very quickly costing customers a lot of money is definitely a bad product. In this case I would argue that it is the capacitors that were the bad products since the companies making the devices that they went into were just going by the spec sheets.
There were a lot of batches of bad capacitors. Early 90s Japanese SMD low-ESR and high-density electrolytics are almost all bad, they had additives they anticipated would make them great, but a couple years later, surprise started kicking in. Then there was that Taiwanese capacitor fiasco in 2004-2006 - while it caused a lot of landfill, the products generally did just about survive the warranty period, which is how it became such a big deal, like, a lot of faulty product got into people's hands before the problem became apparent. But aopen went bankrupt on the recall/warranty. What went on there, the story was retold so many times that it's difficult to say what is truth and what is Chinese Whispers, I don't really believe in all the spy stories, but the trouble did get traced to a particular chemical company. Some batches from mainland China are OK, some are proper landfill material, best not design them into the products to the limits of their datasheet, you can sprinkle ceramics and inductors on your design to make electrolytic capacitors run less stressed and fucking stop baking them by pressing them right against a diode, like sometimes you see things and wonder how someone in their right mind signed off the engineering, like wow.
We used to have some Antec power supplies at work which would frequently fry during any rough power cycling like during power outages (which didn't damage any of the other PCs or other equipment). There would be a brief power outage, and several PCs would be dead after the power returned. When it happened, it would invariably kill the motherboard, often with smoke/flames, and all the hard drives. After a few of these events, and a dozen dead PCs later, I opened every one and replaced them all with the cheapest seasonic available at the time, and we never had another one die this way.
I bought a bad product: a 3080ti FTW3. I knew it wasn't great, but since I had several EVGA membership discounts that were about to expire, I ordered it when I got the queue notification. But a good product I bought was a newly-arrived Disappointments of 2021 shirt. Back to you, Steve!
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Asbestos was pretty bad.
Do not dismiss the value of serotonin so readily laughter is good for the immune system. there is value in fun. please have fun.
Well, if they sold those Gigabyte PSUs at $2 each labeled as firecrackers, they'd be an ok product...
How 🤔 about we STOP ✋️ saying tie 👔 for Nvidia Ti gpu's. It's so stupid 🙄 😒
Williamette Pentium 4 PC, but I did sell one 2 years ago as an oddity though.
A bad product is one that will cost you more money when you have to replace it because it is poor quality, one that will damage you or other things, one that has no practical use, and anything that does not do what it is expected to do. There are tons of bad products. Such as PSUs that blow up for no good reason after being forced into newegg bundles. Yes, a lower priced product may not be as reliable or have all the nice features, but there is a minimum level of performance and expectations that it needs to meet.
Awesome comment and excellently described recap of bad products. Thanks for translating my rant.
@@GamersNexus You missed another Gigabyte banger. The 2080 and 3080 waterforce line both had custom loop waterblocks(the viewport design) that mix aluminum with nickel plated copper in the flow path.
Devil's advocate here. So "will cost you more money when you have to replace it" is just wrong. Consumables exist (and they can still be bad products). Operating costs exist (can differ between products, but your car either has oil changes or battery changes). Market value exists, resell value exists...
It's not as simple. There's no minimum, for some applications ROI can be excellent for eseentially a single-use product, as long as you're making money on the service you're providing. You and me would call a product useless, but perhaps there's someone who has a job needing 5 minutes of this product, afterwards they won't need it again. Think about specialized tools, then start thinking even computer parts can be used for well paid short-term contracts, afterwards they go to a recycler.
Go to any store, find cheapest piece of any kind of product, ask yourself if you would buy it (you wouldn't, I wouldn't) but then ask yourself why it's even there ;)
Any such product should come with a warning label saying "this product WILL burst into flames after 15 minutes of use" or "this product WILL stop working after exactly 25 months of use" (I'm in EU, we're the ones making stuff more reliable for you US guys, so they work for exactly 24 months and a day, not 12 and a day, you're welcome!).
I'm big on information. I always want to know what I'm getting into. I don't need ban on smoking in pubs (I'm so happy it's in place though!), I only needed a huge sign of "enter here if you want to commit a very VERY slow and very VERY painful suicide". That's what I want on my products. Real information. I will make my decision. And we both know people who will still make the opposite decision.
Steve mentioned lettuce with E-coli, that was excellent. And yet, anti-vaxxers exist. You can give people all the information, they will ignore it.
OK, I was wrong. People will purposefully ignore any warning, disregarding cost to benefit analysis.
You're all right. I won't edit this comment to preserve the discovery process I went through while arguing on the Internet and then realizing I was wrong all along.
@@Grimmwoldds Also the corsair(I think) GPU waterblock which leaked in the middle.
@@nobodylmportant that chode was a libertarian who refused to admit he was actually an anarchist. it seems the entire party has been hijacked by these psychos and its gotten to the point where i just make fun of all of em
Whaaat, I CAN'T HEAR YOU FROM MY NZXT H1 + P750 PSU FIRE, NOT SURE WHAT IT IS ABOUT BUT MAN I LOVE MY HOUSEFIRE.
Lmao well played
But I got this fire at a sick deal...
Nzxt H1 keeping you and your family warm this winter.
@@ContrastTM you could say it was on a fire sale.
Hehehe
Was the h1 case capable of housing an atx powersuply? If it was, imagine being the poor soul who got the bad riser and the bad power supply and the bad monitor before all the issues were found and they all failed at the same time, there is no way they would ever build their own PC setup again
One of my favorites: The AMD bike. I'm glad you hadn't had a bad accident with that, Steve.
I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT ONE!
@@GamersNexus noooooooooooooo
@@GamersNexus I'm sorry if I triggered some bad memories with this one... Thinking about the cracks in the frame still gives me the chills.
That was a great video! I'm going to go watch that one now.
@@GamersNexus You also forgot wireless ESD bracelets.
"No bad products" is a snake oil salesman's favorite motto.
Or a moral philosopher's statement of fact.
Wait? So I didn’t need all that snake oil?
@@qwkimball that's stupid
@@kayburcky7146 No, it's stupid to think products make moral decisions.
@@qwkimball Nobody says that. It's about the usefulness of a product in the way the manufacturer meant it to be. You cannot put a "reasonable price" in your motto on a product that harms you or destroys your property. The only way to do that would be a negative price which would (at least in traditional meaning) be in conflict with the definition of a product.
Of course we can say now "yeah but you can theoretically sell a product to a negative price, that doesn't harm the definition per se" but to that I can answer "yes of course you can, but you might as well doubt some of the fundamental assumptions of maths, which makes it so that you can no longer prove 1+1=2. No I am not kidding, this is a serious thing when you learn linear algebra, you can as well construct a mathematical space where 1+1=0 and prove that mathematically but that is of pretty few use, just like this "there is no bad product" crap.
In day to day life there definitely *IS*. And everybody who's saying something different is either an idiot, has no sense of reality or want's to screw you.
I bought a recording interface that apparently didn't have any grounding circuit built in. The product is still being sold to this date. I was getting electrocuted very badly when trying to record a vintage guitar directly into it, or whenever my lips touched the microphone. Store refused to take it back due to it "being in working order". I refused to leave until they tested it. They were too scared to try it so after an hour of dealing with the manager, he finally grew the balls to test it. He got shocked bad enough that I got a full refund plus a $100 gift card as an apology.
May I ask what is this product that I need to avoid?
I'd be interested to know what that interface is as well
bro seriously you need to drop the name of the product to make your story actually effective, tell us what to avoid!! lol funny story though
I don't buy the story. It's not that difficult to test if there is current on something without touching it with your body. You don't need advanced equipment for that.
@@jankoodziej877 pretty sure by "test it" he meant "touch the thing the same way i did"... lol
Wow Bethesda went above and beyond with their merchandising, even realistic mold to ehnance the feel of post-apocalyptic helmet
Most people kept those helmets because the only one that jad the issue was a specific GameStop model that apparently only 32 of were ever sold. The Bethesda Pre order helmet didn't have an issue, it was the GameStop helmets.
@@infernaldaedra How odd.
@@pl4yern45 It was blown really out of proportion tbh, since I believe it was linked to a singular warehouse that had a storage issue, thus the mold. It really only made headlines due to the previous controversy.
As someone who bought the power armor edition, and the Pip-Boy edition, I’m biased, however I do not actively or really ever played Fallout 76. I say this because, I’ve never really been bothered by my purchase, and since other people got upset on my behalf, I got two fallout bags for the price of one.
It wasn't even radioactive? Pffft! Amateurs!
@@TheChadXperience909 ahahaha
As an Engineer I can say you are completely right, in product development there are various "properties" e.g. functional ones and exciting ones; the exciting ones can only ever have a positive impact on consumers, meaning higher popularity, if you don't have these features it wont hurt the reputation of the product. But the functional ones can only result in a bad reputation. So the moment a product doesn't meet the minimum requirement to do what it is supposed to do, that is literally the definition of a bad product (at least in my lectures).
I have a question about the Creed. The part where it says I pledge to place service before profit, the honor and standing of my profession before personal advantage, and the public welfare above all other considerations. I've always assumed this extends to ecology and sociology, i.e. right to repair. Are 100% of the disposable products engineered overseas, or do people just not care about the oath anymore? How do Bezos and Musk still have any Engineers working for them?
@@alakani money. That is your answer basically.
So you don't need to include a cool wallpaper with your laptop but you need to use proper power regulators, that don't explode under load.
@@alakani I think there are a lot of professions with similar creeds, most notably medics. And many just don't care because such creed is contrary to liberal ideology and capitalism. Which are much more prevalent
crapitalism
We need more Steve venting sessions! This is comedy gold!
𝐒𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 ❶❽ 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐨𝐥𝐝
*nude-datting.online*
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
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Wasn't that the hw news?
mfw you vent so hard one of your hairs stands up like a minion ready to start a fight on its own
"Google Stadia...Nope. Didn't work" This is one of my favourite episodes ever I think. Really love the level of humour here, Steve!
Link, please?
I love in the Fallout Helmet recall statement, "Approximately 20,000 units of the helmet were made, and 32 were sold through Gamestop." 32. Nationwide. And they all got brain mold.
GameStop always giving people brain mold
There's no bad product. Only bad prices.
- corporations
Even better, that source was an insurance salesman at 1:43
There are no good corporations. Only degrees of greed.
- consumers
There's no bad PC cases, only bad prices: The "engineer" who made the 12 fan zero airflow Abkoncore Ramesses 780 hotbox.
There's no bad product. Only bad prices.
- Tech Deals
Try sorting comments by date posted and you have idiots actually thinking like this.
This is why companies can get away with inflated GPU prices with dog shit performance.
I feel like any product that doesn't receive the "It's better then dell" award automatically qualifies for the "bad product" award.
Not true. GN is wrong, there are indeed no bad products if the price is right. Imagine the worst PC ever. Now imagine a price tag of -1000 on it, i.e. you get 1000 dollars free money when you receive the junk PC. You'd have to be an idiot to not consider this a must buy.
@@haitianxu that's just because you get money for buying it lol, it doesn't make the product good. I know this is an iperbole, but gn of course is talking about more real situations. Would you put an absolute crap of a power supply in your pc if it was free? I wouldn't
If you buy from Dell with a brain in your head, you can get quite lovely discounts and absolutely great products. Don't buy anything they prebuilt without your direct specifications, and you're fine. Prebuilt anything is crap.
Not that I suggest trusting them. They are a corporation, after all.
@@haitianxu If the PC explodes and burns down your house, your $1000 is not gonna cover even 5% of the damages. Think on that.
There are bad products AND bad prices.
A bad product is any product which is faulty to the point of potentially putting the user in danger, or one which is simply defective.
A bad price is one which is too high for the product that price is attached to.
I don't understand people who don't see this overlap
These bots are nuts
@@timb.6951 I agree.
Bingo. The 6500 XT is not horrible, it's still capable of gaming and it's the cheapest gpu you can get brand new on the market. That said, even being the cheapest it's still overpriced lmao. If it was 100$ it might be ok.
A bad price for example would be a 3060ti for 1k whereas a bad product would be the 6500XT
I always put the caveat of "if it works as advertised/works properly" before I used that dreaded phrase. I've seen far too much crap that's faulty or outright dangerous. I remember cars that would get their accelerator pedal stuck down, christmas lights that posed an inevitable fire hazard, toasters that could easily electrocute you and others that would burn you if you touched the outside, and in my own country, a recall on BABY FORMULA because it had a high level of LEAD CONTAMINATION.
There's also melamine adulteration in Chinese baby milk formula
Jfc that formula company should be sued to the ground
shit, even at literally free, those products are still a bad deal. definitely one top example of what a bad product looks like.
Wondering what country you live in, because tainted baby formula and baby food is a recent story here in the US.
You sort of start to caveat the point out of the statement at that point though. You're essentially saying "There's no bad product, apart from the bad ones" so I question the point of the statement as a whole
I drove a Chevy Malibu as a rental once and thought to myself- this is not really a bad car. Then one remembers that the Camry and Accord exist and we do not in fact live in a bubble devoid of competition.
Yeah, that's why GM ended production of Chevrolet sedans a few years ago. Consumers got tired of their cheap oil burning cars. GM had the gall to tell customers that relatively new Chevrolets burning engine oil is normal, which was probably a design flaw, and that was a lie. Sedans from Toyota, Honda, and Mazda are extremely dominant against the competition.
My first car was a Buick century. Gm has constant electrical gremlins because they buy cheap electronics from China. I had to replace my front right turn signal almost as often as I put gas in the thing. The car kept melting the turn signal. It also had the notorious intake manifold gasket leak because dexcool antifreeze becomes extremely acidic and disolved the very gaskets that are supposed to hold it in. If you look at various reviews of that car most of the complaints are "antifreeze leak" or "oil mixing with antifreeze."
Reminds me of the Chevrolet Aveo (also known as Chevrolet Sonic) my mom got from work (Leasing services), what a garbage of a car, (really) bad breaks, abysmal safety rating (1.5 stars out of 5 in testings) and burning oil fast. It was so bad that the leasing companies has decided to replace the cars a year in advance because of it, it was a rubbish which can now be found for 2500$ even in my (very expensive) country and no one (unless they are very desperate) would buy this junk.
Generally speaking, American cars had a really bad reputation back then, fuel guzzling unreliable cans which had to go to the garage for repairs very often (the European cars didn't fare much better back then either, with the exception of the German ones), especially when they were contrasted against the Japanese (and some Korean) cars which were much more reliable and fuel efficient (and still keep their value very well, a Suzuki Sx4 from 2011 can still be sold for over 10K$).
There's a reason why the big three US car companies collapsed and it wasn't due to unfair competition.
Man I disagree, I drove a 2022 Camry as a rental for a weekend, the car had 3 miles and I hated it. It was weak, seats uncomfortable, super bad acceleration (laughable), the instrument cluster felt 10 year old, but at least it had apple car play. Also the CVT transmission felt horrible and clumsy.
The first car I bought was a 2014 Ford Fusion, that 8 year old car feels better better in every regard with the exception of the infotainment since it doesn’t have Apple car play but it still has Bluetooth and can do anything except the apps.
Would I trust the fusion over the Camry when it comes to reliability? Absolutely not. But man I’m never touching Toyota, they always feel a decade behind everyone else. Their Tacoma is mother example
@@THEZWARRIORWAR I think the 2022 Camry has an 8-speed automatic transmission and not CVT. The Corolla uses a CVT. I guess your Camry rental had the 2.5L 4-cylinder engine, which is decent up to 205hp. I heard that the new 8-speed has a poorer acceleration compared to their last gen 6-speed. The new engine and new transmission for this generation has a huge focus on fuel efficiency, so the tradeoff is poor acceleration.
I drove the last generation Camry 4-cylinder, and it's not exactly inspiring with its performance. Nowadays, gas pedals are actuators for computers to read, and cables are gone. The acceleration is all over the place.
The Camry 3.5L V6 with 301hp would theoretically be a better performer. Also, your rental had three miles on it, so the car isn't broken in yet. The car still has to learn idle and the user's driving style.
The reason why they feel a decade behind is they focus on reliability and ease of mass production. Changes are incremental and easy to fix if issues occur. The Japanese car makers won the sedan market while Ford and GM abandoned sedans with Dodge's high-performance sedans standing alone to represent the Big Three.
One good thing about older cars before infotainment systems became popular is that they are harder to hack. Being assassinated by one's car would be sad.
"Its a really cheap screwdriver, the value was good!"
It was so cheap the philips driver tip broke off in a screw after going halfways into a board, so we had to use pliers to back the screw out.
And the inverse of this. Poorly quality screws that snap off when they're halfway in -especially when they break flush with the wood and are then impossible to get out, blocking another screw from being put in their place. If that happens, with any regularity, under normal conditions, they are bad even if free.
Well, that's what you get for not watching The Verge's highly-technical build video. EVERYBODY knows you need a Swiss Army Knife, with (hopefully) a Phillips screwdriver.
@@dashcamandy2242 as a tech i actually do use a swiss army knife often, its got a flat head screwdriver tip.. and it works on Phillips pc screws no problem.. (i only use it when my screw driver is too far away to bother getting)
@@dashcamandy2242 I can’t find my *wireless* Anti-Static bracelet. Can I still screw in with confidence and put the PSU on its insulation pads? /s
well, u got screwed ;P
There is a saying in Spain that goes like this:
"Lo barato sale caro".
Cheap things end up being expensive.
or in English "you're going to pay for that later"
@@ilovefunnyamv2nd or, You get what you pay for......
or who buys cheap buys twice
In Russia "we are not rich enough to buy cheap things"
Si !!
I work in a produce department. We were actually shocked to not have a recall on salads with E.coli this holiday season lol. There were rumors around the internet about it, so some people came in assuming we were selling bad product. As if we ever could.
Only for fans over 18 years old Aishite.Tokyo/shizumi ❤🔥
mañas no se la
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
Asi con toy y sus mañas no se la lease que escriba bien mamon hay nomas pa ra reirse un rato y no estar triste y estresado.por la vida dura que se vive hoy .
Köz karaş: ''Taŋ kaldım''
Erinder: ''Sezimdüü''
Jılmayuu: ''Tattuuraak''
Dene: ''Muzdak''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu gana taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. ''Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt'' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu.#垃圾
Son unos de los mejores conciertos , no puede ir pero de tan solo verlos desde pantalla, se que estuvo sorprendente
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Hey man, starving kids in Africa would have died for that salad!
The 6500xt review really brought the bootlickers out.
I learned quite a bit about that, romaine is especially at risk because of its grow season relative to other local crops. Nearby field gets fertilized, lettuce gets contaminated. and here I thought veggies were 'good for you'
@@ilovefunnyamv2nd they are, it is what is on the veggies that is bad for you...
@@pickleadaykeepsthedoctoraway figuratively and literally speaking... 😅
7:50 That synchronous ass-jump when Giga tried to open a portal inside of it😄
It's actually a good PSA reminder to everyone, always Google/RUclips search any product you're thinking of buying. I Imagine most already do, but for those who don't then just do it, as shown here instead of withdrawing a potentially dangerous product a retailer response to possibly burning down your house/doing serious damage, 'oh just make it cheaper'.
for some things I'd love to see results, but the cases are to niche to give any kind of trustworthy reviews.
I was looking for a printer and none had mostly favorable reviews, even ignoring the obviously “wrong” ones.
The world of paid reviews makes this extremely hard, I’ve been duped multiple times even after going through tens of reviews only to find out later that the company aggressively pays for reviews and a search through a forum reveals how bad they really are
@@sgtjonzo welcome to AAA gaming
The hammer is still there, looming next to the 6500 XT. Don't do it Steve!
JUST DO IT!
The XFX style is gorgeous though. That card might be trash, but it's beautiful trash.
@@RafitoOoO Hey art doesn't need to be functional! xD
You can't just put a hammer next to a GPU for this long and not have a payoff. Come on!
In the dark, when the camera can't proof anything.
Sometimes the "bad price" is just "any money at all"
Or maybe "not being paid to take this garbage off their hands"
At some point the fact that any resources were used on a product which could have gone into making something else make it a bad product no matter how much money you get for taking it.
There are no bad products, only bad prices. Some products are worth $0, some are worth couple of cents (price of capacitors and resistors you could extract from them). And everything could be evaluated by price/performance ratio, only that would ruin GN business.
Even the landfill is getting scammed for having to waste space with a product which should never even exist in the first place.
my man really went and found the lore behind the saying lol
No bad product only bad prices lore
*Cue lore music
It's the same as "there are no stupid questions"
@@m8x425 But there are no stupid questions, only people who are stupid. Questions can't be stupid.
These “rant” videos are better than some channels’ best production videos. You guys really are just S Tier.
"There are no bad products, just bad prices."
*Pre-Y2K Firestone tires have entered the chat*
Keep companies accountable!
how? its not like you can just buy a gpu from a different company than Nvidia or Amd...
@@sowa705 Then dont
hamborgir
Imagine if your car got 3 miles per gallon and cost $300. Great price, bad product. Thanks for covering this mess of an argument
If its fast Thats good But in Case of Bad product it would be slow
If that car cost $300, gets 3miles per gallon but does 8sec 1/4s, still good product. 😁👍
how is that a bad product? Literally great city car
@@petervansan1054 because a bike is better lmao
If cars were being sold like that for $300, I would buy it for scrap metal. In that case, it would be a great product to buy!
It's a symptom of years on years of good engineering, QA, regulation, and reviews that people have little to no experience with dangerous or irredeemably shoddy equipment.
It's post purchase rationalization after having bought a bad product.
Another product to add to the pile, that I remembered as you talked about DVI, is the DisplayPort Pin 20 issue, where cheap, out-of-spec cables could back-feed power into your GPU from the monitor. At best, it could cause the computer to fail to boot unless you unplugged the cable and plugged it back in after POST. At worst I expect that sort of thing could damage the GPU.
Oh my god, this issue IS SO ANNOYING. I have a graveyard of brand new display port cables which i received assurance would not have the issue. The factory that makes those cables needs to burn!
My favorites are the class of Amazon products that require repairs out of the box. I received an electric soap dispenser not too long ago that had the battery tray wired wrong. Ten minutes with a soldering iron later, it worked fine.
@gmu_alum08 just the fan header isn't that hard I've soldered pins onto a passive card that had an identical board to the actively cooled one. same PCB, just a different cooler. works perfectly fine. and the fan runs as expected.
or just recently I repaired a clock by bridging a 0 Ω resistor with a piece of wire.
I've learned to check the ground on any cheap product bought online. Just because it says it is grounded on the box and comes with a three pronged plug does not mean that it's properly grounded. Best is when the cable has the prong, but they just cut off the ground wire.
That happens every God damn time with Chinesium stuff it's unbelievable.
There are no bad products **drinks lead paint**
hahaha
*rubs face furiously against new wallpaper and its the victorian times*
There are no bad youtube comments, just bad youtube comment writers
Idea for a new game show. Wheel O' Lettuce, where the wheel has mostly two options... E.coli and Listeria with a single "not bad" space.
Only for fans over 18 years old Aishite.Tokyo/shizumi ❤🔥
mañas no se la
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
Asi con toy y sus mañas no se la lease que escriba bien mamon hay nomas pa ra reirse un rato y no estar triste y estresado.por la vida dura que se vive hoy .
Köz karaş: ''Taŋ kaldım''
Erinder: ''Sezimdüü''
Jılmayuu: ''Tattuuraak''
Dene: ''Muzdak''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu gana taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. ''Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt'' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu.#垃圾
Son unos de los mejores conciertos , no puede ir pero de tan solo verlos desde pantalla, se que estuvo sorprendente
💗❤️💌💘
@LunarVVolf You'll be happy to know Radio Shack is about to launch a new cryptocurrency by combining all the worst parts of crypto with all the worst parts of regular money, in partnership with "CEO’s who lead the world’s corporations"
Having experienced a power supply (in a pre-built system, in my teenage years) damage two of four ram slots during a breaker trip event due to a vacuum cleaner running, I definitely learned that there are bad products at any price.
This is why I spent 180$ on a decent corsair psu way back in 2008 on my last build, which, 13 years of daily use later, still runs!
On that note, I gotta say that I'm really glad I found your channel this month while diving back into PC building for the first time since the days of the core i7 920 (I was way overdue). Back in the day I was a big fan of HardOCP (RIP). Your channel content, industry callouts and rigorous testing really remind me of them and all of their best qualities and has helped me catch up big time on the latest tech while helping me make informed choices. You guys are my new gold standard. Thanks!
You're still using a 920?
@@fotoschopro1230 was, jumped to a 5600x a couple of months ago.
The bad products that I see MOST often with people building PCs, especially on a budget - are cases. I've help builds two PCs for my nephews - and both picked cases based purely on looks, and not performance. Obviously I made sure they got a great airflow case, thanks to your guys work. I've helped plenty of friends build their PCs as well, and I routinely see that. Or they just pick a brand named case - but it looks good. And they have terrible airflow, which can potentially reduce performance overall. There are so many cases out there around the 40-50$ price tag that look so good - but perform like a trash bag. Just because it comes with three fans doesn't make it a good airflow case.
Appreciate all the work you guys do. The one word that I always think of when it comes to your team is Integrity. Integrity at the highest level. And that's much appreciated by the community. You guys have assembled a great team and excellent standardized tests for products. And you give ZERO slack to companies.
I've actually never heard this, but it sounds like the kind of thing people who make bad products would say.
Or the ones who buy them
@@martinbernath That was my first thought when I read this comment. People not wanting to admit they made a bad purchase.
@@btbarr16 I know a lot of 11900K owners with hidden but obvious buyers remorse who keep saying this. Especially now that Alder Lake is out.
Bad product: a caulking gun with sheet metal trigger so thin it bent the first time using a fresh tube, breaking the trigger and breaking the mechanism in such a way that it also managed to pierce the side of the caulk tube. Not a big deal; neither was expensive but it really just pissed in my Weet-Bix as I had deadlines to meet at the time.
This is why I rarely shop at Harbor Freight.
.. Canadian here.. if you don't drop like 20+ $ on a caulking gun here and your tubes get slightly cold.. that guns done lol.. it's wild..
@@selphconscious Being an aussie; frozen caulk really isn't an issue here thankfully haha.
@@aussiegrif8729 ... Consider it a blessing lol
Clearly not the fault of the product. You just had your Weet-Bix that morning and was extra strong.
We used to have a word for these; they're called scams. Victims of these may have overdosed on copium so much that they're in this perpetual state of denial. So everytime they see a negative review, it triggers a defense reflex of "it's just badly priced" to hide their terrible case of buyer's remorse.
I mean the entire "console war" is derived from this. People not having enough money to buy both consoles so they make a choice and now forever feel compelled to defend their purchase and deride anyone who chose to go another way. Thankfully it's calmed down compared to the olden days but it's still a dumb impulse people have.
Every 11900K owner be like
Really appreciate your sense of humor here, and I would rather have someone in this space err on the side of critical rather than let something bad slip by. You are doing what you say in each review you set out to do, which is providing the best info and perspective to the consumer that you can. Its up to us to take that info and do with it as we please. Keep up the good work!
"My house was burnt down! Firefighters found out it was bad power supply (or graphics card express cable extender). Apparently, by Reddit's logic, I paid too much for it.. Maybe if I had paid less, house wouldn't had burnt down." Totally makes sense.
Used a type of plaster to fill and smooth over a few holes in a wall. It hardened remarkably slowly, and after it hardened it was impossible to sand it down to make it smooth.
It was advertised as workable and smoothable the only solution was getting a chisel and destroying it with incredible force, which turned a two-hour job into a six-hour one.
That was probably some type of polyfilla(TM). Its made to do very small patchwork and not really made to be as easily sandable as plaster. Tip: It normally stays water soluble even when dry so you can rework and remove it with a wet rag (not a sandpaper).
@LabRat Knatz Well it also had like a strange texture too it felt like plastic. But it sure was durable was hard to remove afterwards.
I guess it's the perfect gift for enemies like the risers
From this day on now I will never say "this" again
This is madness!
Spot on Steve. There is not a direct relationship between physical and financial products. Truth be told, you could probably sell burial insurance for goldfish with the right price and actuarial tables. Enjoyed the content.
I work at a Walmart and have for the past 5 years. I unload trucks in the backroom. When I first started we had a manual line, where one guy would put freight on it, another guy would push it down, and then the rest of the team would sort it onto pallets. It had very few problems. The two main ones were some of the rollers at the very front broke off and some of the wheels weren't bolted to the frame, meaning if they passed over a gap they would just fall out. They were attached to a thick bar that ran all the way through the leg, so all you had to do was go outside, retrieve the wheel, and slot it back in. There was almost no maintenance done to the thing and it run perfectly fine.
Then we switched over to an automatic machine. It had a powered flexible conveyor and a giant scanner that would automatically sort stuff down lanes and we just had to collect them and put them on pallets. We have to wait for the machine to reconfigure itself every time we connect a new section of conveyor, the flexible conveyor is constantly having wheels SHEARED off, it doesn't read a lot of things correctly so a lot of freight is rejected and sent to the back, and the list goes on.
I don't know how much the old manual line cost or how long we had it, but it's lasted a good few years and we even still use the butt end of it for the new machine's reject lane. The new machine cost a quarter of a million dollars and has had people come out to fix it a dozen times in 2 years. It's not uncommon to see one of the legs propped up with a milk crate. The amount of dollars spent repairing and replacing parts and the time lost due to inactivity doesn't justify the cost of buying and running this thing, even if it cost $100. It's a waste of time, metal, and silicon.
As a new/recent viewer, I for one am _thankful_ that Gamer's Nexus calls out this sort of shit when they see/come across it.
Much obliged, for both pointing out good valued product (i.e. the i5-11400/i5-11600K w/r/t trade-offs) and calling out bad product that should be avoided completely (i.e. aforementioned exploding PSUs).
Unrelated to GN, but Cyber Dragon is cool. Just saying.
I remember years ago I had a CD drive in my little PC that I'd literally never used, spontaneously burst into flames and blow black soot all over my wall. I remember my dad picking it up and putting it in the bathtub.
@gmu_alum08 It was actually running fine besides that, I still have that computer somewhere.
This is why I advocate for many separate OCP circuits in the power supplies. But "single rail" has become so marketable because people don't want to think when assembling their PC. This wouldn't have prevented this particular fire, but it can prevent much more substantial ones.
That being said I've torn apart a number of optical drives and I've never seen a power input fuse on them to try to prevent fire. There's nothing they can do regarding components, they'll all malfunction and short occasionally due to latent defects. But if there was a fuse, I'm not convinced it'd be entirely helpful, because they need like 3A to spin up and you can make a veritable fire at the resulting 35W already. One important consideration is material grade, like you can expect the materials to at least be self extinguishing, though it will still throw a lot of soot around till that action kicks in.
@@SianaGearz Multi rail PSUs are ew
Oh man, the moldy Fallout 76 helmet. I remember that one. Fallout 76 just couldn't stay out of the news for a while there. Not nearly as bad as moldy helmets, but how about the bottles of rum or whatever that were advertised to be in a special glass bottle and instead came in a cheap plastic shell? 🤣
Yup, and there was also the canvas bag swapped out for nylon due to the historic worldwide "Canvas Shortage."
There are no bad products...
Ford: hold my beer
"I close my eyes and all I see........ is bad products, at bad prices, currently." Eat your heart out Hugh Jackman!
There would be significantly less bad products, if manufacturers stopped cutting so many corners to save 1/10 of a penny.
@Stein Mauer No, please stop doing that. Please stop blaming the end customer for bad corporate culture. They do it because they have shareholders who demand growth quarter to quarter and over a long enough time span that has meant cutting corners at every possible turn to scrape even the tiniest amount of money back. Thus shit like AMD doing stuff like x4 pci-e lanes on a $200 dollar graphics card to save 1/10th of a penny on some traces to maximize profit. Who asked for that? No one.
No customer has ever asked for shittier stuff, they were given shitter stuff at the same price as the old non-shitter stuff and now are either forced to deal with the sub-par quality or buy something more expensive.
and where was that done in 6500 xt?
@@devilmikey00 how dumb are you? They didn't cut pci-e 3 lanes to save 2 cents, for that card to be above 4 lanes you would have to reengineer whole chip dude
There would be ZERO bad products if consumers refused to buy them.
There would be ZERO scalpers if consumers refused to buy, from them.
There would be ZERO drug cartels if people refused to buy narcotics.
Apple I-Phones wouldn't have a 200% markup, if consumers refused to pay it.
There would still be consumer protections if we didn't keep voting for deregulation.
See a pattern? It's not just greedy companies. It's stupid, easily manipulated voters and our inability to refuse our own self indulgence.
...but at least we will band together by the millions to protest against life-saving vaccines and masks... Welcome to Stupid. Earth's new name... sorry... Flat-Earth's new name.
@@katsudon2048 did you learn a new word today lil buddy?
lmao there's plenty of bad products, especially in the actual market
Miss the "Thank you, Steve." - Intel. Haha. It's really reassuring to continue and see you guys challenge and fight the bullshit, and that you aren't intimidated by these companies and say the truth, keep up the good work, GN! Can't wait for the RTX 3050 review, though, it physically can't be any worse at this point, that's AMD's destiny, apparently.
"Thirty-Eighty Thai"
Back to you, Steve
Paid reviews are a prime example of a Bad Product; you lose the objectivity and data in favor of what the manufacturer and marketers want you to think about their products! They're literally free to view, but they are useless to the consumer!
i will never get tired of seeing patrick jump back on that PSU bursting. great footage.
maybe a patrick "jump back" line of merch
You're totally right about content 'depth', but this was a lot of fun looking back on bad products the past little while
Not sure how "gaming chairs" escaped this one. Especially considering how physically damaging they can be.
That being said....
I actually know how to design and have designed products. There are bad products. There are also a special category for products that are a waste of resources, time, money, and investment and designed to literally break moments after purchase.
I've had a coffee maker that lasted 2 pots. I've had kitchen faucets that are impossible to not leak water everywhere. I've had shower heads that don't shower. I've had waterproof products that aren't. I've had cell phones that are so designed to run so hot that they literally destroy themselves. Laptops that do the same thing. Electronics that just weren't grounded and you knew it (especially fun on speakers). The entire Roku line and their inability to sync audio. Spotify forcing people to break the law to accept an ad to get music to encourage spending. EA video games. Mobile games and other games designed to predate on children and their unsuspecting parents. Google play and their "we can't refund anything" policy if the developer has received the money and scammed the consumer.
About 60% of the trash sold on Amazon. There's a lot of waste and things that are just bad products and specifically rip off or make it so hard to find actual, legitimate, manufactured products that you wanted to buy.
My favorite "bad product" is that furniture you get and open up and you just know it's gonna break but because you're the one who has to assemble it, it's your fault and you can't replace it because the parts are non standard. (Like those cheap dressers that the drawers literally don't drawer, shelves that don't shelf things, etc.)
I got a "vacuum seal" pantry container with one of those pop lids. Very excited because it was for flour, sugar, etc. and it would've been easy for the kids to use. We got the product, the lid didn't lit, the vacuum didn't do anything, and if you don't carry it by the base (and the kids didn't) then you have a broken canister and a mess to clean.
Appliances is a major one.
"Food sold in the store" that is marketed as "fresh" but is literally just rotten food that had to be relabeled or modified in some way for it to be relabeled and not thrown out.
So many things......
Yeah, 99% of gaming chairs are trash quality, and destroy you ergonomically
Oh man, this comment just sparked some buried trauma for me, haha. Talking about products designed to run so hot they kill themselves: I bought a $3000 Alienware M17 R2 back around 2010 (worst decision of my life - by far). The GPUs (yes, it had crossfire, 2x 7780's iirc) ran over 120°C normally, and literally melted the boards themselves. The cards were bent to the point that they stopped working. Under warranty, *each* GPU was replaced 3 times during the time that I was still using it. It also lasted about 40 minutes on its battery just sitting idle on the desktop when it was new. I remember I timed it while just watching a video in VLC, and it lasted 12 minutes before it shut off.
The laptop also weighed about 20 lbs since the case is 1/8in thick aluminum for absolutely no reason. I dropped it on my hardwood floor once, and it dented the floor.
@@Zyxlian lol my buddy had the same laptop with the same issues. Total disaster
As long as it gets the seller money, it's a good business strategy.
@@wumi2419 No, it isn't. This is the same stupid argument that Steve is arguing against. Breaking consumer law is not good business strategy. Potentially causing physical harm or worse, death, is not a good business strategy.
There’s never a bad price for a GN modmat.
Although much appreciated, there are DEFINITELY bad prices!
Gn modmat is definitely worthier than a 6500xt
My friend (and csgo teammate) has a laptop with like a 3Ghz boost on a 10th gen intel CPU ...
It has the worst possible cooling that makes it a sub60 or even 50fps experience.
In the BIOS there's no option to turn of intel speed boost etc.. so it can't get to a perhaps sustainable 1Ghz?? for a stable framerate.
It even has a dGPU(maybe mx150)
AT NO PRICE is it a good product that won't fry itself in a few years :(
p.s. I'll look up the model, it's hilarious xD
@@II_Gyros_II69 that's entirely because of the GPU, the CPU is being bottlenecked
sadly no cooling can fix that ;(
I agree that there is no bad products, only bad prices. Because If I got paid to take home one of theese GIGABYTE time bombs and just throw it out later, I would sure do it.
I know a phrase that can trigger Steve even harder: "There are no bad reviews, only bad conclusions" 👀
i love these light hearted types of videos
Entertainment can be content! it doesn't always have to be informational content and benchmarking!
Glad you made this video. Been having a hard time making a decision in regards to ever upgrading my LGA 1200 now that 12th Gen has a different socket. I have a 10900 and even though I live near a microcenter with very good prices upgrading to 11th doesn’t make much sense. It’s a downgrade and not worth getting for PCIe 4.0. Hurts but it’s how the industry works.
10900 is still great. Make good use of it for a long time!
why would you upgrade?
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10900 is the best lga1200 cpu, and pcie 4.0 is kinda useless, so I think you're good.
Well it really depends what you are doing with it eh? For casual gaming and no real hard work it is still pretty good. I mean if you play on 4k the CPU is not really a big factor anyway?!
I had an I5 OC to 5,2 ghz I bought in 2012 with a custom loop till 2018. The custom loop still works even with the tubes from back then because the cooler company is awesome and makes new clamps just for every socket design.
There is no bad thermal paste. Be it Grizzly, Artic, Noct, peanut butter, nutella, human spooge. Its all good everyone.
Cum cooled pc
If only subscribing to someone meant you could also follow the comments they make because yours are always gold 😂
But I’m still gonna subscribe to you anyway lol.
@@JustifyTheseHeathens Just make sure its not sickle cell. So basically nothing that came off a Kardashian.
I ate a sickle cell and now I have sick as hell anemia. Thanks.
for me and my experiences, this is almost how i feel with the phrase "you get what you pay for" which is a phrase i actually tend to almost get physically violent from... as for damn near my entire life of only having to work with cheap stuff due to being poor, or learning how to fix it other wise i'll no longer have it, this has very rarely ever been the case, especially in clothing. shoes being a good recent one for working in restaurants for non-slips. boss got me these expensive FILA brand shoes that were close to $100, they only lasted about 3-4 months before showing bad ware, 2 months after that, the tops were really bad and split and the sole was more than half off. would have been better to tape shoes on my feet at the time. had to glue them together with gorilla glue til i was able to afford new one's. got new one's that were like $40 bucks, so far, lasted double the time and only had to glue the very tips of them and also still look better lol. there is MANY things out there including tech that does this. granted care level can also come into affect, but with some things this may not be the a factor to make a difference on how long they last. remember friends back in the day getting expensive ass skateboarding shoes when we all skated and they were upwards to $200 and they'd be wearing them second day and get water on them from a puddle and they started to literally fall apart that entire day, here i am with $10-$20 shoes and only dying issues from being wet lol.
i'd give more examples but this would have been 3 times as long, did write it out but deleted it...
just feel like people hold onto these phrases for some reason no matter if you explain a crap product is being over priced and they still lean on that phrase even if it's being scalped...
i feel like, if there was channels who was as dedicated to their product testing's as you guy's are with tech for almost every product category, there would be a LOT of things different and differently priced... some even stopped being produced because of how bad it is, in turn also potentially less waste.
Well on the one hand there's a lower price threshold below which a particular level of quality cannot be achieved; and on the other way too many companies just sell absolute bottom tier garbage based on their reputation or heavy marketing, where product cost and product price are completely divorced from each other, and there's like thousands of categories where this is unfortunately the norm. And then there's a third case where if you buy the highest end GPU or something else, you get something that scrapes the very limits of physically possible, tuned to the absolute maximum, so you pay a lot more but also get a less reliable product, because well that's how it is, you need that performance; or products that release unready but due to a critical market opportunity, cannot just be delayed, so what you're getting maybe isn't good, and you're paying a lot relative to what you're getting, but maybe it's something that you really need, and it's kind of pointless to be too harsh on something that can't be done better for the time being, even if it's obviously flawed.
I had a vacuum cleaner that was so bad I genuinely preferred to use a broom. It was essentially nonfunctional. It would take an hour to vacuum even a small room. You could argue that trying to use it costs you much more time, which indirectly costs you money, than using a good vacuum or even a broom. It would be one thing if it worked poorly but did work, but eventually you reach a threshold where nonfunctional and extremely poor performance are basically the same thing. If you need to cook food but can't even reach temperatures hot enough for long enough to make the food safe, you have achieved the same thing as not cooking the food for all practical purposes.
Hey Steve, the reason you hear this a lot in the computer journalism space is because Anand Lal Shimpi, the founder of Anandtech, used to say this. Ian Cutress still repeats this phrase in his articles on Anandtech from time to time and he sometimes phrases it as "as Anand used to say to me...". It's obviously just an expression that is supposed to be applied to poorly priced products that are otherwise perfectly attractive to the target audience; not to poorly engineered hazards that will damage your belongings and/or hurt you. You could try asking Dr Cutress if there is a longer history to it. Thought you might find this interesting.
It's also a fav from Brian at tech yes city. If you exclude the shit that literally explodes or catches fire, it seems to generally makes sense lol
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN I kind of hate the guy really. Shady type.
The 7740x was ridiculous. More memorable because of Linus' rant about HEDT walking around the street of Taiwan. It should never have existed, especially at the price they were asking.
I think of his rain rant as well.
I remember that one! Terrible product, that rant was legendary, though.
Steve, I requested a product review a few months ago at the height of the gigabyte stories and last week I saw three reddit posts about the same gigabyte product. Its a preblock aorus 3080 gaming OC waterforce that appears to be mixing metals. Gigabyte won't admit to it after multiple calls and emails with them, but obvious corrosion is happening within days or weeks of installation. This could be a fun bad product to review.
Mission accomplished, Steve! That video had more comedic and entertainement value than the 6500 XT probably has for those looking for an ugprade. Kudos! :)
The “no bad products” argument might only work if negative prices exist. 😆
Even if you get paid to use a dangerous/faulty/wasteful product it's still bad.
soon enough hardware manufacturers will pay you to dispose of their hot garbage 🤣
"uh sorry gamers we broke too many of them 😢 it would cost us a fortune to have it hauled away... could you take advantage of our partner's free shipping and your local waste management?"
Steve, if there is no value in this piece, is it good at any price? Is the free price of entry enough to make this a good product at any price?
At this point I'm convinced we should clone Steve and place him in the marketing departments of every major company out there to stop the bullshitting they do
It's pretty pointless. The one sinister aspect is planned obsolescence which is a real thing. So while we rebuke "there is no such thing as bad products if the price is right," we allow manufacturers to set the time frame on when a product will start to fail.
The 6500 XT is now the meme for bad products. I feel bad for all the people involved in making it... what a stain on the resume.
Agreed 100%. There's definitely a case to be made by something having greater value when being in a lower price bracket, but when something just plain does not work, then it absolutely qualifies as a bad product.
Hi, to my fellow member of the "Legion of Steves" (That's a 70's reference to Marvel Comics creators who all shared our name). The form of this "no bad, only" quote turns up a lot of places. In the late 80's, writer Alan Moore used to say (after being universally praised for turning the moribund "Swamp Thing" title at DC into a work of brilliance) "There are no bad characters or plots, only bad writers and artists." I'm betting the quote goes a long way back, it'd be fun to find the first citation.
Your opening was hilarious, showing the flames and sparks. If you've time for an old martial arts joke, it relates. An eager young student goes off to study logic. He returns to the monastery telling his master, "I can prove ANYTHING with words". The master, showing impressed interest, says, "That's very excellent. Can you prove you have no nose?" The young acolyte goes through a lot of epistemological gymnastics, and seemingly indeed has proved he has no nose. Whereupon his master strikes him a sharp blow to the center of his face, and she innocently asks him, "What hurts?"
I'm old enough to have worked in consumer rights activism, back in the Nader's Raiders days. I want to thank you for a channel that continually takes the rights of the consumer to heart, and arms people with information with which they can protect themselves.
There's a lot of brain dead "people" who love to defend corporations, the "don't ask questions just consume product and get excited for next product" type of person. So when they say "there's no bad products" what they really mean is "STOP CRITICISING THE COMPANY WHICH I ADORE AND CHOOSE TO WORSHIP, THIS IS BLASPHEMY, REEEEEEEEEEE!"
Yep, be a fanboy. Live your life. Just never be a fanboy for a friggen corporation.
That's very well put together. Anytime i try to tell people this i make long ass texts because I get so pissed at this mindset people genuinely have.
And I love how Nvidia themselves basically made what amounts to a first-party version of what scammers do with older video cards, i.e. edit the BIOS so it would report as something newer.
You act like this is new for nVidia. The Geforce 4MX was a Geforce 2MX at it's core. The entire Geforce 100-series line up was just rebadged Gefore 9 chips for sale by OEMs. Same with the Geforce 300 series, which were just 200 series with added on support for Dx10.1. Geforce 800 series was even more messed up, those were laptop GPUs which could either be rebadged 700 series or you might get lucky and it's a rebadged 900 series.
Tech Jesus has spoken 🙏
In Denmark the saying goes "There is no bad weather, only bad clothing"
Which I interpret as a fatalistic response to our crappy weather.
My favorite video in a while.
Please never stop ranting.
I love the argument "Well, they can't make the price any lower." If it isn't possible to make a product cheap enough to give it value to the consumer, it's a BAD PRODUCT.
Ah the 7740X, a 7700k pretending poorly to be an X99 or X299 product, would've been slightly interesting if it had the extra features like memory/PCIe like you said, otherwise it was a blonde moment for Intel they'd rather forget I think
Absolutely hilarious video. Loved seeing this kind of video from you guys.
A bad product I've dealt with and probably everyone else is fucking GAMING CHAIRS.
It's the worst purchase I've done in my life, they have ruined my back of years of usage before i realized the chairs were the problem.
That hammer really made me nervous...i was expecting him to smash the video card at the end lol
I once bought a can opener at the dollar store for $1 because I needed one at work and it opened 3/4 of a can before breaking. Not worth it at any price. I still had to use my keys to open my lunch.
I think I can simplify a lot of the comments about bad products and people's feelings about them in general. When you reduce it down to it's basic elements it is hard to argue anything except that a bad product is one which does not fulfil it's purpose. So the arguments therefore become about what exactly the purpose of a product, or products in general *is* and whether or not this can reasonably change depending on things like price. I feel like in just about all the cases you mention the products were *intended* to be competitive offerings at their initial price, and that being such products and selling well as a direct result was their purpose. All of them failed in this, their initial purpose, and so were at least at one time bad products by definition. In a few of the cases maybe you could argue that they later found a new purpose and so were acceptable products again, but man that's really grasping at straws in a lot of cases and is tenuous at best, and it still doesn't change the fact that they were bad products.
From manufacturer standpoint, product is good if it brings profit. And as manufacturers usually sell to retail in bulk, they get their share early, and then reseller attempts to sell products another time, with significant mark-up.
6500 xt would be a good card at $75 if it still had the media engine and was called a 6400
Great points.
For a change, I would love to see a video on great products, you know, to celebrate lightning in a bottle, like the gts 8800 or the 1080 Ti, the 2600k, the B450 Tomahawk (a motherboard that is better than a lot of the x470 motherboards.
GN only ever stated they heavily favor maybe like 2 cases. I don't think there are product that deserve great product in their mind, and that's probably a good mindset.
You give company a nanometer, they will take a lightyear in return, and that's probably an understatement.
Twenty years ago, replacement BMW auto parts supply chain was flooded with bad clones.
One week and one trip after installing all new front suspension components, they were worn out...
I had an SMSL AD18 mini desktop amplifier for my Micca MB42x speakers and a Polk sub. After a few months, the unit would randomly jump-scare me with unbelievably loud bursts of static that would only be temporarily remedied by turning it off and back on. Hours were spent troubleshooting to no avail, and I managed to find other reviews out there who reported the same problem. Then 6 months later the headphone output stopped working completely. Customer support was non-existent. The company keeps moving the product to new pages on Amazon, I'm guessing in an attempt to scrub bad reviews from their page. The point is, bad products do exist and Amazon is littered with them.
I had a bad experience with Ryzen 3000 series processors, the early revisions of this CPU had faulty memory controller which failed at high cpu loads so I had to replace mine twice. I think AMD quietly replaced these cpus with new batches.
Meanwhile I still have USB problems on my 5000 series Ryzen. Serial over usb doesn't work, sound from usb mics randomly glitches out.
My 3900X would randomly reboot when completely idle, never when under load. My 5900X has no such issues. I discovered it was due to the CPU not liking the SoC, VDDP and VDDG voltages that my board gave it. Slightly reducing those fixed it, but I should've never had to do that in the first place.
@@S41t4r4 Glad to not have had USB issues on either my 3900X and 5900X, maybe this Asus board is just good.
@@crylune yeah the usb issue annoying as hell, looks like asus found a fix, msi never tried it themselves :(
If you want to be extremely pedantic with the "no bad products" then these products have a negative price- i.e. how much would someone have to pay you to expose yourself to helmet mold?
Yeah, at -$1 million, Gigabyte's exploding power supplies become a pretty good deal.
I hoped you would mention how overused (and used wrongly) "literally" is
Every time someone comments complaining about this my head literally explodes and leaves bits of brain on my phone.
@@edwardallenthree if only
Cheap "Gaming chairs", would not sit on them even if its a 1$
A video of Steve listing bad products. It's like a dream come true
From now on I won't say "this"...
That'll be a real challenge!
@@GamersNexus I am accepting it as a challenge until the first of February... Thanks for the great content👍
I can't believe Razer Zephyr sold out in minutes. Razer is literally a MEME company at this point.
I also remember the time in I think late 90's when it seemed like everything was dieing very quickly with capacitors leaking all over the place. My understanding is that there were a bunch of bad capacitors coming from a factory in China that ended up in many things like on a lot of motherboards where they would fail in a few weeks or months instead of years. Supposedly this was from the Chinese company stealing an incomplete dielectric formula from a Japanese company, but I don't have a source for that and don't know how true it is. Still a product that fails very quickly costing customers a lot of money is definitely a bad product. In this case I would argue that it is the capacitors that were the bad products since the companies making the devices that they went into were just going by the spec sheets.
There were a lot of batches of bad capacitors. Early 90s Japanese SMD low-ESR and high-density electrolytics are almost all bad, they had additives they anticipated would make them great, but a couple years later, surprise started kicking in. Then there was that Taiwanese capacitor fiasco in 2004-2006 - while it caused a lot of landfill, the products generally did just about survive the warranty period, which is how it became such a big deal, like, a lot of faulty product got into people's hands before the problem became apparent. But aopen went bankrupt on the recall/warranty. What went on there, the story was retold so many times that it's difficult to say what is truth and what is Chinese Whispers, I don't really believe in all the spy stories, but the trouble did get traced to a particular chemical company. Some batches from mainland China are OK, some are proper landfill material, best not design them into the products to the limits of their datasheet, you can sprinkle ceramics and inductors on your design to make electrolytic capacitors run less stressed and fucking stop baking them by pressing them right against a diode, like sometimes you see things and wonder how someone in their right mind signed off the engineering, like wow.
We used to have some Antec power supplies at work which would frequently fry during any rough power cycling like during power outages (which didn't damage any of the other PCs or other equipment). There would be a brief power outage, and several PCs would be dead after the power returned.
When it happened, it would invariably kill the motherboard, often with smoke/flames, and all the hard drives.
After a few of these events, and a dozen dead PCs later, I opened every one and replaced them all with the cheapest seasonic available at the time, and we never had another one die this way.
I bought a bad product: a 3080ti FTW3. I knew it wasn't great, but since I had several EVGA membership discounts that were about to expire, I ordered it when I got the queue notification.
But a good product I bought was a newly-arrived Disappointments of 2021 shirt. Back to you, Steve!