Learning My 4th Language at 28 | YORUBA vs ENGLISH vs ITALIAN
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US born and raised, started learning a second language in my 50s (Italian) so I can move there in the next few years. As an American, I know nothing about African languages, so your intro to Yoruba is fascinating! I'm excited to see some of your journey that you share here.
Hi Jennifer, hope you’re doing great! Got it, how’s that been for you? I have a video with tips on learning a language I think quickly, I’ll upload it to RUclips in the next weeks and hopefully you’ll find it useful! I’m also glad you found the intro to Yoruba interesting because that’s how it is for me too, I find languages generally interesting (regardless of the language) and I love being able to share it with people! Thanks for sticking around and joining the convo!
@@misstiataylor_ Italian is tough for me, but I don't study regularly - daily - like I need to. The verb tenses are my weak spot. I look forward to your new language tips. Been following for a few years, and I've loved seeing your journey through the Italian culture and now into a new language!
I was rewatching your videos from 10 years ago, when you had just arrived in Italy. Many of those videos (your most viewed ones) were about the surprising or unbelievable differences that an American girl like you couldn't quite grasp yet. I'm glad that after all these years, you're no longer surprised and have come to love Italian customs and traditions ❤️
Well done! Never stop learning new stuff! 👍
Hey Tia, I’m Italian and Nigerian too and it’s so interesting to listen to your analysis, anche riguardo al fatto che i nigeriani considerano più l’età che il genere delle persone. Non avevo mai notato che questa cosa si riflette anche sulla lingua, grazie per aver condiviso le tue considerazioni 😘
Best wishes for your new language 🙌🏾
@@GlowingEse thank you and I’m so glad you found it liked it, I find language sooo interesting, I could really go on for days 😂 but for now I’ll leave you guys with this. Ese, are you Igbo? I know very little about the Igbo language, but I would like to! is it also gender neutral?
@@misstiataylor_ I’m from Edo state, i speak Bini. Ese means “Gift/Favour” like something Good you receive and it’s the abbreviation of Eseosa which means “Gift from God” 🩷🩷
@@misstiataylor_ poi Tia sai che sono amica di Terry?? So che lo conosci 🥰
@@GlowingEse oh nice makes sense and what a beautiful name 😍 and of course, love Terry!
@@misstiataylor_ 🥰😘
I’m Moroccan, born and raised in Italy so my mother tongues are Arabic and Italian, I moved to Belgium 13 years ago and I had to learn French and Dutch, I have a master degree in translation English and Spanish and I’m learning Portuguese for fun hahaha
I'm American. I live in France and speak French. I'm in my 50s and have taken on learning a third language Italian. I love it but I do find it a lot harder than French. I've been learning with a private teacher since November 2023. I hope to have a level A2 when I take my exist evaluation test. I also used to lic in Cairo for 3,5 years in my 30s. Loved learning Egyptian Arabic and found it to a lot of fun. I could speak to people in shops. Once I learn Italian better I think I may want to learn Arabic.
@@browngirlreading that is so interesting because I’m sure most Italians (and myself) would could consider French harder than Italian! But maybe it’s because you live in France, but I am rooting for you and the exam! Arabic would be super cool to know!
@@misstiataylor_ I learned French at school and perfected it in France. Italian is much harder. those prepositions are killers for starters. Thanks!🤞🏾
@@browngirlreading I'm Italian and my French teacher told me he gave up on Italian. He found it to be one of the harder romance languages because it kept the most from latin. I didn't have issues learning French though. I lost a lot of it but I can still read pretty well in French.
@@ThePhantomofBooktube I agree it's very hard and that's because there are so many exceptions to the rule. But I'm not giving up. I intend to become trilingual.
Tia in Yoruba is loading!!!!!! Also, hair is *chefs kiss*
I love studying languages but tonal languages are so hard for me. I'm a native Italian speaker and found learning English very easy once I had the motivation to learn it (to play videogames and read fanfiction lol). I also studied Japanese and that was definitely harder because of all the differences in the grammar, while speaking it was easy since the phonetics are almost the same as Italian. But I was also very motivated and went on to be advanced level during my uni years. Then I studied Chinese, and while I loooooved it, the tones just made it impossible for me to make significant progress past the basics. I always think about giving it another try, but man did those tones give ptsd 😅
At the end of the day whether a language is easy to learn or not depends a lot on the single person and what their native language is, but English in general *is* an easy language to learn with its simple and flexible grammar. Like if you try researching what are the most difficult languages to learn you will never find English in these lists, you'll find Hungarian, Finnish, Polish, Mandarin, Vietnamese. English is just not on that level and that's neither a good or bad thing, it just is. If English was that hard to learn you can also bet it would have never managed to become the lingua franca of the world 😜
@@sub4ru87 Thank you for your comment it actually stimulated deeper thinking in me which I appreciate! Concerning the tones in Chinese I would give it a try with a different teacher! I love the way that my Yoruba teacher teaches … I don’t know the alphabet or all the numbers but I can have basic conversations and express what I want and need in two months, all the Yoruba speakers around me are impressed as well. And she says that tones are hard even for native speakers (I bet it’s the same in Chinese) and we’ll study them in depth last. Which logically makes sense, once you know everything else in the language it’s then just a matter of speaking and listening practice of the tones… you’d get it eventually I’m sure! And knowing Chinese would unlock so many opportunities and possibilities.
For the second half of your comment sorry but I wrote a book because it touches on a lot of topics that I’m passionate about and particularly interested in but bare with me and see if I can give you another perspective. I still disagree with English being “easy” though I do think that I understand where you’re coming from as you said you’re European. Here are a few reasons why:
First, lists are only as good as who made them 😁 I’m sure such lists never include African languages or indigenous American languages-and yet! So I take them with a grain of salt. You can say English grammar is “flexible” but after years of teaching (and so having to actually sit down and study myself) English grammar to Italians, I’ll continue to say that native English speakers are forgiving and understand that the point of a language is communication, that’s the “flexibility” you’re perceiving -how else do you colonize the world without some of them even noticing 🤷🏾♀️ non native speakers of English generally (not always!) have poor English pronunciation and to me, given that pronunciation is important in English, as sheet and shit are not the same thing, learning English without correct pronunciation is like learning Yoruba without tones … the former is “allowed” and you would be an asshole to say otherwise yet if we’re keeping all things equal… if you’re not fluent in English pronunciation are you fluent in English? And this isn’t even touching on the grammar.
English is the lingua franca of the world because of colonialism, full stop 😅British colonialism followed by American imperialism to be specific. The British had the most colonies, and today those former colonies have English as their official language… but that was always an imposition and only kept in place for practicality. Today, if you don’t at least speak English to a comprehensible level you are cut off from 80% of the (especially economic) opportunity in the world because of British, followed by American, economic imperialism and dominance in the world.
Ironically, those 50 million native Yoruba speakers are ALSO native English speakers since they study in school and the official language that they study in is English... my dad only ever studied formally in English-yet their version of English whether it be for accent or if they speak the high class or low class version of Nigerian English, wouldn’t be considered “correct” by your average British linguist, so what is it? They are counted in the global count of English speakers, thus allowing English to be called the most spoken language in the world but then forced to take the IELTs for college admission at international schools😅 furthermore it’s known that people coming from certain language families have an exceptionally hard time learning English. For example check out this thread titled “What is more difficult, learning English as a native Chinese speaker or learning Chinese as a native English speaker?” www.quora.com/What-is-more-difficult-learning-English-as-a-native-Chinese-speaker-or-learning-Chinese-as-a-native-English-speaker where different English and Chinese native speakers essentially support what I’m saying.
Obviously Europeans would consider English easy: English is a European language that even has elements of different European languages infused into it. Plus you guys have been force fed American media and influence nonstop since the end of wwii. The Europeans who don’t idolize America after decades of drinking just as much of the kool-aid as anyone else still have to learn English to maximize their economic opportunities ESPECIALLY in countries like Italy due to …economics. Though this is changing.
So in conclusion, and sorry to write a block of text but we can just say you inspired me, I don’t agree and continue to assert that circumstance (and world history) matter.
TIA- wow!! Been following you for years (first time commenting). So cool to see you reaching amazing life milestones!
Yes, to language learning being a mental shift and yes to the many identities.
+ I hope you can share more about your entrepreneurial ventures so others can learn!
Much love and support to you. 🎉
@@suzuhsu1684 well first of all thank you so much for sticking around and your kind words! I am definitely planning to talk more about the new company, in fact, I thought the language was a nice segue and introduction, stay tuned ❤️
Hi Tia! Nigerian here! I could learn Italian as a student, while I was in Milan - it's a lovely language and I somehow find the pronunciation close to many sounds of our own languages. Keep it up! 😊❤️🙌🏾
Hi Tia! I know what you're talking about when you say youruba is a tonal language, as I've learned mandarin chinese for many years and one of the most difficult parts of it (if not THE most difficult part) was getting tones into my head as an italian native speaker. I started learning it when I was 20, so not that old but not even super young, but I'd say learning languages in your 20s is still quite easy. Especially cause I could focus on that completely since I studied it in university! I'd like to share with you something a linguistics professor told us on our first year: there's no "difficult" or "easy" language, there's only languages that are closer or further from us. It's interesting to note how differences and similarities are heavily linked to geographic distance, hence to language development!
As for the languages i have learned, I'm not sure if the most difficult language i ever got to learn was chinese or japanese, cause each of them has some things that are easier and some that are more difficult to me. That's what's interesting about languages!
Thanks for this video, i didn't know yoruba and it's always fascinating to find out more about languages. Xo
I just realized I didn't know Tia's name until now. Thank you for telling us!
Tia how are you always SO BEATIFUL?????
Hi Tia, native Italian here 🇮🇹 my second language is English, I learned a bit of French during middle school and last summer at the “old” age of 26 I’ve started learning Japanese as a self-taught (at least for now). Plus I did Liceo Classico so idk if ancient Greek and Latin count 😅
I knew Yoruba was tonal like Chinese but everything else is new-very interesting indeed, I love learning about other languages! If I could, I’d go back to uni just to take a language degree 😊
When you spoke about age, I thought about Japanese and how it has the same differentiation between older and younger brother/sister, despite also having a neutral word for siblings. From what I’m seeing, age seems to be a big deal in Japanese too: in certain contexts you need to switch register completely even with someone a few years older than you.
Having seen quite a few languages during my journey, I can say this:
- hardest things for me in studying English were the pronunciation, irregular verbs/plurals, and phrasal verbs (the first time you come across: get in, get out, get up, get on, etc it can be quite intimidating!)
- hardest thing about French was the pronunciation; grammatically it’s very close to Italian to the point that I can understand the meaning of a text with only a few vocabulary search. But the pronunciation… 😬
- hardest thing about Japanese for now I’d say is having to completely switch language frameworks from an indo-european one to something totally different. Verbs and adjectives acting as verbs are by now the hardest topic to get a hold of, together with counters (because different categories of objects have different kanjis/words that must always go with them and identify which category they belong to, so for example you may never say “3 pens” but will have to say 3 + pens + the counter for long and thin objects. Madness to me!). Also the fact kanjis have different pronunciations that change depending on how they’re paired in a way that sometimes (to me) don’t make sense 😅
Very interesting video! Good luck with your learning journey
Hey Tia. My father is Yoruba, and Cameroonian mum. I’m British woman who has known Italian language for a longtime and will be visiting Milan in autumn
@@lmusima3275 look at that! I really love the type of people my channel brings together 😄
Lol british 😂 u are subsaharan thats it
purely based on your description, I notice a lot of similarities with many Asian languages, such as tones, addressing people based on how young/old they are, non-conjugated verbs, genderless words... so that's quite interesting!
Amazing!!! OMG at 1:42 I can't hear any difference btw the tones the Yoruba speaker is showing "oko, husband...", Yoruba seems such a hard language to learn! Don't give up! Im struggling myself with Chinese tones!!! All my support is with you!!!
Brava!!
Grazie!
I’m Mexican and moved to the US when I was 2 so I grew up speaking Spanish and learning English at school! I got the opportunity to study abroad in The Netherlands (dont recommend they are really racist outside of the northern cities, (I was in Maastricht 🤢)) ANYWAYS I got to make some Romanian friends and bonded with them and I would speak in Mexican Spanish and theyd respond in Romanian 😂. So yeah I’m learning Romanian now and self taught myself Brazilian Portuguese since its so similar to Spanish lol. I also aspire to live in Japan one day and travel the world so my top languages to learn now are Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Tagalog, Arabic, Russian, and I also want to learn Yoruba since my best friend is half Nigerian 😊. Please make more Yoruba videos !! Tonal languages are DEF the hardest ones to learn 😅.
complementi e buona fortuna con il tuo apprendimento! Ma non dire "a 28 anni" come se fossi troppo vecchia per imparare una nuova lingua, assolutamente non è così. Guarda qualche video di Steve Kaufmann :)
Thank you for this aburo 🤣🤣. O se gan ni👍🏾👏🏾😘
This is so interesting. I think we need to do:
* IGBO & YORUBA language challenge .
* NIGERIAN & AMERICAN ENGLISH Challenge.
Good luck with learning. It was a bit confusing though that you didn’t mention at all what your third language is
My first language is Jamaican patois, but as I learned it passively, before starting school and never studied the grammar, i can speak and understand but don’t know the grammar enough to compare it at the same level of Italian, English and what I’m learning in Yoruba. I did a whole video explaining how and why that is on TikTok but I didn’t know if it was interesting enough for RUclips 🤔 maybe your comments mean otherwise 👌🏾
@@misstiataylor_ oh ok I didn’t know that part. I only watch RUclips. Thanks for answering
@@misstiataylor_I think it would be awesome if you did a video on Jamaican patois.
Oko mi “ My husband ! That’s a beautiful name for Enrico.
Can you pleaseeeeeeeeeee do videos on Yoruba 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Learning a non indo european language is always interesting!
I’m brushing up on my Yoruba too. Watch some movies that will help with tone
I watch a Yoruba movie a week 😀 it’s so nice to slowly understand more and more!
Just curious. English, Italian, and yoruba make three languages. What is the 4th?
maybe Jamaican patois?
I am wondering the same
My first language is Jamaican patois, but as I learned it passively, before starting school and never studied the grammar, i can speak and understand but don’t know the grammar enough to compare it at the same level of Italian, English and what I’m learning in Yoruba. I did a whole video explaining how and why that is on TikTok but I didn’t know if it was interesting enough for RUclips 🤔 maybe your comments mean otherwise 👌🏾
Have you considered learning Nigerian Pidgin English since it is related to your first language and is the most spoken language in nigeria?
@@misstiataylor_ personally I am in my 30s and don't use tiktok 😅
I guess Nigeria is the African nation with the biggest aerospatial industry in Africa, along with Egypt I guess.
English, Italian, yoruba ...and? I'm missing a language...🤔
What's your third language?
For Nigerian people it would be better to speak the "colonial" English, instead of some obscure native one. That would increase their chances of growth.
Is Chinese really so influent in African economy as it is said today, in your enterpreneurial experience?
I don't know her experience but as a matter of fact Russia, China, India and also Arab Emirates are replacing European and US influence. They are also "owning" our natural resources via carbon credits-and this is concerning.
@@elleanna5869 Thanks. So what's the difference? Is it better or worse so far?
I haven’t noticed any Russian influence in Nigeria though there is Chinese influence. The Chinese government doesn’t get involved in local politics, did/does not force their religion on indigenous people, did/does not force their language and culture on indigenous people. European governments did and to this day continue to do this. One can argue that the trade deals with china aren’t fully transparent/or equal but still better than the essential theft of natural resources that did and continue to happen today at the hands of European governments (check out meloni’s piano Mattei, essentially the same story still) whereas at least the fruits of Chinese infrastructure investments (at least the ones I’ve come in contact with in Nigeria) actually end up benefitting the local people since they aren’t built with the sole purpose of transporting raw resources more easily to europe. I personally don’t think there’s any comparison. Thankfully, though they are thieves, the Nigerian government (that I will underline was elected through and still operating under a system that upholds dysfunctional power dynamics imposed by the British) does a pretty good job of making sure they’re the ones robbing they’re citizen’s blind rather than allowing foreign elements to do it- but African youth around the continent are waking up. See Senegal, Kenya, and in coming weeks Nigerians have planned to head to the streets to protest the government.
@@misstiataylor_ Thanks a lot for your exhaustive point of view.
Abiola please help me perfect my italian, I'll teach you Yoruba 😅. In fact, i can dash you my yoruba knowledge 😅. Italians wont give you a job if you don't speak their language.