@@mikelafferty5253 Good thing SRAM is around to meet the needs of the other half of the cycling community-the ones who aren’t stuck in the past and don’t long for a return to clunkers.
Hyperglide+ is simply a perfection. On my road bike, I have the complete Ultegra Di2 R8170 groupset and the shifting quality doesn't get any better than that. On a MTB, I originally had a complete XTR M9100 groupset, but I bought it second hand and after about a year of my usage something snapped in the shifter, so I decided to replace the derailleur and the shifter with Sram AXS stuff, since my brother-in-law had an unused XX1 AXS derailleur he was gifted and left it to me. It's simply the best of both worlds - smoothness of HG+, consistency and speed of the electronics (sometimes in muddy conditions the mechanical stuff can get a bit sluggish, which the servo motors eliminate) and no cables to worry about (no wearing out and needing to replacement). Putting the battery on a charger once my Garmin notifies me or before a race is a small price to pay.
I appreciate you experimenting with these types of drivetrain mashups so the rest of us can make informed decisions. This “hack” with cassette spacer and limited spline + lockring thread engagement is definitely a “pass” for me. Out of curiosity, is the physical movement of the T-Type RD preventing further inboard movement of the cage, or does the SRAM app simply not allow enough adjustment? If it’s the latter, maybe someone can hack the app to allow more inward movement 😂
glad you brought it up. I really like the idea of improving old sram axs with shimano hg+. Added benefit of making it cheaper to replace consumables. Really curious about the performance difference between axs/hg+ combo against pure t-type
Preach on dude! I am in the same camp. as you! Shimano 12sp plus AXS if you want wireless. I agree on all points! I don't have to pay retail and I still choose Shimano vs Sram...
I run an SLX shifter and derailleur matched with XT cassette and chainring for 3yrs now..done local XC RACES and two marathon with then..i've never had a problem..shift like a butter..as long as you set it up correctly..it will work as they supposed to be.. SHIMANO ❤ all day everyday😅
The main reason to run shimano cassettes is the price of the cassettes and single cogs availability. They cost 3-4 bucks for 14-18t and 12-16 for 10/12 set but 5 new ones cost maybe 25$, a new sram cassette 10x more.
My only question is: why SRAM dont made Trasmition casette completly compatible with Eagle cassete. We could mix everything with everything. From analog GX to electric XX Trasmition. i thought they had reason, but they didnt... It makes me just furious.
I opted for a R7100 cassette and M6100 chain when upgrading from Force mechanical to electrical rim brakes, mainly because the Shimano drivetrain is way cheaper. It worked flawlessly without any modding or spacers. Maybe I'll upgrade to a HG+ compatible drivetrain in the future.
I couldn’t agree more, I prefer spending less on mechanical shifting because it really just works. I stick to XT, the cues is interesting but really heavy.
Great idea, but my concern with spacing a Shimano cassette is the 1mm spacer behind, that means on a 12 speed shimano cassette on low 3 cogs are matched together and relys on the overlap on the end of the freehub body as support for tge 3 last cog cluster, under pressure this could fail because of the small surface the lower cogs have got to support torque, they could just rip the splines off, a steel freehub body would help, but it's a engineering issue as regards to torque and mechanical advantage
@LoveMTB I'm the guy who said about the shinano xtr pedal seal issue years ago, just under a new name, great to see your sound advise is still as relevant today as it always was, keep up the good work
@@GHinWI it might work, but an expensive mistake if it doesn't, being titanium I'd say it would, is it 6/4 Titanium? That would definitely be stronger than steel
I was wondering about the T type chainring with a Shimano chain. I love the shifting of HG+ but don’t like the crankset options. AXS helped me out of a thumb issue. But it was worse performance than HG+. T type was a lot of money for the same shift smoothness but much slower and with a battery.
I recently set my fat bike up with XT. It shifts nicely, possibly as good or better than XO1. However: 1) I really miss the cage lock feature on SRAM derailleurs 2) micro spline cassette is ridiculous with all those tiny pieces to assemble and the lock nut threads that barely engage. XD freehub is the superior solution. 3) I do prefer the push or pull shift to a smaller cog on XT I maintain that, price being no object, SRAM mechanical XO1 remains the pinnacle of MTB drivetrain. If price IS an object, it’s a toss up between XT and GX. What I’m hoping for is mechanical XO1 transmission mount.
1) You can run a SRAM derailleur with an all Shimano 12sp drivetrain if you miss it that much. Otherwise Zen Components make a cage lock feature for Shimano 12sp derailleurs. On the upside, the benefit of adjustable clutch is you can increase tension as the clutch wears (vs. SRAM which isn't user serviceable). 2) How often are you assembling a cassette? XD has their issues too including seized cassettes to freehub bodies. It's a once in a while task so not too bad. X01 is fantastic from a durability standpoint but they are the slowest chains by a huge margin, cost about 50-70% more than Shimano XT and doesn't shift as well (as per the video). It does weigh less (due to the cassette) but there are Garbaruk 12sp HG+ options for Shimano.
Hello I was wondering if I can put on a new t-type cassette on a old hub if I have the old sram xx1 cassette becuase I heard that the hubs are narrow with the new cassettes.
@@LoveMTB So if I have a old wheelset with a xx1 cassette on and I buy a new bike with the new t-type transmission on I can just change the cassette on the old wheelset to the new t-type cassette.
Do not shim the casette, shim the jokey wheel instead! With a washer you can move the cassettes further towards the frame. But then the thread on the freehub body only grips a maximum of half the thread. If it works, it's fine, if not, you'll need a new freehub body. But if you shim the jockey wheels on the derailuer instead of the cassette, you put the derailuer in the right place without affecting the cassette mounting on the hub. The shims for the jockey wheels only need to be about half a mm thick.
GX T-Type cassettes are more expensive than the Deore, SLX and XT cassettes. Now, i wonder if this would work with a one piece cassette like Ztto does + a slightly longer locking 🤔. It should still be less expensive than SRAM's and lighter 👀.
@endercrafts9056 My commuter bike who happen to be a XC bike, have the Ztto 9-46T cnc XD cassette and it works perfectly with my X01 AXS derailleur (and was working perfectly with my XT derailleur on my previous bike). Those are amazing cassettes for the price but yeah, some people had issues with them but not me (for now).
@@LoveMTB It might sound stupid but i just want to try. Also, I'd totally use it if it does work well tbh. Another one, i don't know if you still have the Wheeltop derailleur, but i would love to see you try it with a T type cassette and chain considering that you can set up the spacing for each cogs with the app 😂.
Insane, how people sit on the hype train of SRAM. Shimano is really bad at marketing but their products are superior in every aspect but hype. Incerdible that they can make good quality at low price (most possibly with an obscene amount of margin) even at lower segment. Shimano is only bad at DI2. I guess the real winner of SRAM electric shifters are manufactures who can reduce bike assembly time. Other than that hype at large cost.
Sram is a marketing company that makes bike parts. Shimano is an engineering company that makes bike parts. Everything Shimano is much more refined and reliable.
@@breaklessbeauty679 SRAM is a company that manufactures bike parts in Taiwan and China, yet somehow prices them as if they were meticulously engineered in a classified NASA lab in the USA. Meanwhile, Campagnolo actually produces its components in Europe-yes, they’re more expensive, but surprisingly, they often end up being cheaper when on sale. So, let’s get this straight: the “cutting-edge” mass-produced plastic and alloy from Asia costs more than the handcrafted Italian precision
Shimano is a company that specializes in fishing gear, that accidentally started making bike components. But judging by the fact that their only response to SRAM’s AXS drivetrain over the past three years has been only a couple of patents, it seems likely that they’ll soon shift their focus back to producing fishing reels and rods - which is honestly great news.
obvious bait lol, do you think big evil sram would sit there and pay someone to build a drivetrain mixed with shimano? go back to youtube kids or better yet go ride your bike
What i Love about shimano is that its practical compared to Sram(Garbage) I Hate electronics in all my Bikes. it’s unnecessary and Sram Makes it even worse as what they did to the S works stump jumper by forcing consumer to only Use T-Type on their bikes. Hope these companies will go bankrupt!
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Youve kind of described why Shimano still doesnt do an e shifter, we really dont need it! Love your channel, so much info
Yeah, it's just another thing to go wrong! 🙂
the is Shimano XT DI2, but it works like garbage, so nobody uses it :)
@@mikelafferty5253 Good thing SRAM is around to meet the needs of the other half of the cycling community-the ones who aren’t stuck in the past and don’t long for a return to clunkers.
@@xolis_nrw6849 Ones who also don't mind being ripped off at the expense of marginal benefits.
Hyperglide+ is simply a perfection. On my road bike, I have the complete Ultegra Di2 R8170 groupset and the shifting quality doesn't get any better than that. On a MTB, I originally had a complete XTR M9100 groupset, but I bought it second hand and after about a year of my usage something snapped in the shifter, so I decided to replace the derailleur and the shifter with Sram AXS stuff, since my brother-in-law had an unused XX1 AXS derailleur he was gifted and left it to me. It's simply the best of both worlds - smoothness of HG+, consistency and speed of the electronics (sometimes in muddy conditions the mechanical stuff can get a bit sluggish, which the servo motors eliminate) and no cables to worry about (no wearing out and needing to replacement). Putting the battery on a charger once my Garmin notifies me or before a race is a small price to pay.
Yes! Thank you for making this video!
You are so welcome!
I appreciate you experimenting with these types of drivetrain mashups so the rest of us can make informed decisions. This “hack” with cassette spacer and limited spline + lockring thread engagement is definitely a “pass” for me.
Out of curiosity, is the physical movement of the T-Type RD preventing further inboard movement of the cage, or does the SRAM app simply not allow enough adjustment? If it’s the latter, maybe someone can hack the app to allow more inward movement 😂
glad you brought it up. I really like the idea of improving old sram axs with shimano hg+. Added benefit of making it cheaper to replace consumables. Really curious about the performance difference between axs/hg+ combo against pure t-type
Preach on dude! I am in the same camp. as you! Shimano 12sp plus AXS if you want wireless. I agree on all points! I don't have to pay retail and I still choose Shimano vs Sram...
@@briangong007 common sense will prevail 😊
I run an SLX shifter and derailleur matched with XT cassette and chainring for 3yrs now..done local XC RACES and two marathon with then..i've never had a problem..shift like a butter..as long as you set it up correctly..it will work as they supposed to be.. SHIMANO ❤ all day everyday😅
The main reason to run shimano cassettes is the price of the cassettes and single cogs availability. They cost 3-4 bucks for 14-18t and 12-16 for 10/12 set but 5 new ones cost maybe 25$, a new sram cassette 10x more.
IF your Micro Spline resists the abuse and you're lucky for your derailleur to not need anything but the MicoAdjust set to 1. Sooooo lots of IFs
My only question is: why SRAM dont made Trasmition casette completly compatible with Eagle cassete. We could mix everything with everything. From analog GX to electric XX Trasmition. i thought they had reason, but they didnt... It makes me just furious.
Very good!!!
Thanks! 🙂
Could you use an older deeper lockring? Why to do it? Cheaper Cassettes, Better cassette jumps BUT agreed....
Older lock rings are actually shallower. And I would be afraid to put max torque on the 10t or 12 the way they sit with that 1mm behind
I opted for a R7100 cassette and M6100 chain when upgrading from Force mechanical to electrical rim brakes, mainly because the Shimano drivetrain is way cheaper. It worked flawlessly without any modding or spacers. Maybe I'll upgrade to a HG+ compatible drivetrain in the future.
Buy the xtr chain, it will last WAY longer.
I couldn’t agree more, I prefer spending less on mechanical shifting because it really just works. I stick to XT, the cues is interesting but really heavy.
Thanks I asked you if it would work and you have shown the results, I’ll take on board the spacing. So the axis it will be
Great idea, but my concern with spacing a Shimano cassette is the 1mm spacer behind, that means on a 12 speed shimano cassette on low 3 cogs are matched together and relys on the overlap on the end of the freehub body as support for tge 3 last cog cluster, under pressure this could fail because of the small surface the lower cogs have got to support torque, they could just rip the splines off, a steel freehub body would help, but it's a engineering issue as regards to torque and mechanical advantage
@JimtheRangerTimmy pretty much my point here 😉
@LoveMTB I'm the guy who said about the shinano xtr pedal seal issue years ago, just under a new name, great to see your sound advise is still as relevant today as it always was, keep up the good work
It would be interesting to see if any microspine hub manufactures make an steel freehub body, i can't off the top if my head think of any that do
@JimtheRangerTimmy: White Industry micro spline freehub is titanium.
@@GHinWI it might work, but an expensive mistake if it doesn't, being titanium I'd say it would, is it 6/4 Titanium? That would definitely be stronger than steel
I was wondering about the T type chainring with a Shimano chain. I love the shifting of HG+ but don’t like the crankset options. AXS helped me out of a thumb issue. But it was worse performance than HG+. T type was a lot of money for the same shift smoothness but much slower and with a battery.
I recently set my fat bike up with XT. It shifts nicely, possibly as good or better than XO1. However:
1) I really miss the cage lock feature on SRAM derailleurs
2) micro spline cassette is ridiculous with all those tiny pieces to assemble and the lock nut threads that barely engage. XD freehub is the superior solution.
3) I do prefer the push or pull shift to a smaller cog on XT
I maintain that, price being no object, SRAM mechanical XO1 remains the pinnacle of MTB drivetrain. If price IS an object, it’s a toss up between XT and GX.
What I’m hoping for is mechanical XO1 transmission mount.
1) You can run a SRAM derailleur with an all Shimano 12sp drivetrain if you miss it that much. Otherwise Zen Components make a cage lock feature for Shimano 12sp derailleurs. On the upside, the benefit of adjustable clutch is you can increase tension as the clutch wears (vs. SRAM which isn't user serviceable).
2) How often are you assembling a cassette? XD has their issues too including seized cassettes to freehub bodies. It's a once in a while task so not too bad.
X01 is fantastic from a durability standpoint but they are the slowest chains by a huge margin, cost about 50-70% more than Shimano XT and doesn't shift as well (as per the video). It does weigh less (due to the cassette) but there are Garbaruk 12sp HG+ options for Shimano.
Hello I was wondering if I can put on a new t-type cassette on a old hub if I have the old sram xx1 cassette becuase I heard that the hubs are narrow with the new cassettes.
Freehub is the same, XS driver.
@@LoveMTB So if I have a old wheelset with a xx1 cassette on and I buy a new bike with the new t-type transmission on I can just change the cassette on the old wheelset to the new t-type cassette.
@@Lv-rh9bv yes
I'll stick with XT cassette/derailleur/chain, Eagle shifter, and oval chainring
I hear you😉
Eagle shifter works with XT derailleur?? I thought the cable pull was different?
On the MTB 9100 all day ... on the Roadbike Red AXS for shure!
Electric shifting is certainly better for drop bars I think.
Like it. Shimano is superior in terms of shifting
Cool!
Do not shim the casette, shim the jokey wheel instead!
With a washer you can move the cassettes further towards the frame. But then the thread on the freehub body only grips a maximum of half the thread.
If it works, it's fine, if not, you'll need a new freehub body.
But if you shim the jockey wheels on the derailuer instead of the cassette, you put the derailuer in the right place without affecting the cassette mounting on the hub. The shims for the jockey wheels only need to be about half a mm thick.
Yep, that will shave off the end of that freehub body eventually
Amen
Why do this? To avoid $600 SL cassettes. My current sramano is 11 speed Shimano with 1199 cassettes. Works so well.
Have one of those on my gravel 😉
I have been a Shimano fan since day one! You can beat the performance to price ratio!
I'm not a fan. Just trying to be realistic about what we need a drivetrain to do for us.🙂
GX T-Type cassettes are more expensive than the Deore, SLX and XT cassettes.
Now, i wonder if this would work with a one piece cassette like Ztto does + a slightly longer locking 🤔. It should still be less expensive than SRAM's and lighter 👀.
Would you really go for a ZTTO cassette with TType drivetrain?
Those CNC cassettes shifts like crap, just go with Shimano
@@LoveMTB This is what you call an 'All the gear, no idea" consumer.
@endercrafts9056 My commuter bike who happen to be a XC bike, have the Ztto 9-46T cnc XD cassette and it works perfectly with my X01 AXS derailleur (and was working perfectly with my XT derailleur on my previous bike).
Those are amazing cassettes for the price but yeah, some people had issues with them but not me (for now).
@@LoveMTB It might sound stupid but i just want to try. Also, I'd totally use it if it does work well tbh.
Another one, i don't know if you still have the Wheeltop derailleur, but i would love to see you try it with a T type cassette and chain considering that you can set up the spacing for each cogs with the app 😂.
Insane, how people sit on the hype train of SRAM. Shimano is really bad at marketing but their products are superior in every aspect but hype. Incerdible that they can make good quality at low price (most possibly with an obscene amount of margin) even at lower segment. Shimano is only bad at DI2.
I guess the real winner of SRAM electric shifters are manufactures who can reduce bike assembly time. Other than that hype at large cost.
Hola. Shimano the best 🏆👍 you are the sorcerer's appretice🤗🤗🤗
@@ovidiustoica6342 lol 😎
Sram is a marketing company that makes bike parts. Shimano is an engineering company that makes bike parts. Everything Shimano is much more refined and reliable.
Absolutely wrong
@@breaklessbeauty679 SRAM is a company that manufactures bike parts in Taiwan and China, yet somehow prices them as if they were meticulously engineered in a classified NASA lab in the USA. Meanwhile, Campagnolo actually produces its components in Europe-yes, they’re more expensive, but surprisingly, they often end up being cheaper when on sale. So, let’s get this straight: the “cutting-edge” mass-produced plastic and alloy from Asia costs more than the handcrafted Italian precision
Shimano is a company that specializes in fishing gear, that accidentally started making bike components. But judging by the fact that their only response to SRAM’s AXS drivetrain over the past three years has been only a couple of patents, it seems likely that they’ll soon shift their focus back to producing fishing reels and rods - which is honestly great news.
As a shop mechanic i generally have much less issues with Sram than Shimano, especially on the higher end.
First :)
All you talk about is SRAM these days, boring. Your obviosly sponsored by SRAM.
Have you....watched the video???
obvious bait lol, do you think big evil sram would sit there and pay someone to build a drivetrain mixed with shimano?
go back to youtube kids or better yet go ride your bike
@@LoveMTB Don't bother, Shimano fanboys are on the loose in here. Good thing brand loyaylty doesn't have any benefits.
What i Love about shimano is that its practical compared to Sram(Garbage)
I Hate electronics in all my Bikes. it’s unnecessary and Sram Makes it even worse as what they did to the S works stump jumper by forcing consumer to only Use T-Type on their bikes.
Hope these companies will go bankrupt!