Im a fan of both, but I personally love digimon world, and digimon story cybersleuth, more than pokemon games. It's just a shame digimon games are so hit or miss.
@@black97_0 yeah they get progressively worse, so the new game sucking and the next one being worse isn't a contradiction (Scarlet and violet looks good tho, and legends arceus was well received)
I feel the difference between Digimon fans complaining, and for example Pokemon fans complaining, is just like Jaiden said: It's not angry complaining. Pokemon fans angrily complain about everything. Verry agressively too! To the point that they complained to and attacked FAN ARTISTS designing bipedal versions of the new cat starter! Digimon fans on the other hand, seem to largly just have resigned to having mid games and are just kinda sad about it.
Well that's honestly not the case and hasn't been for a while my guy. The last few Digimon games have been good, no debate needed. There was the little kerfuffle with Survive but that's people being dumb and not researching the game, like for five minutes. It takes five minutes to know it's a visual novel first and a strategy game second. Digimon isn't mid anymore. We got three mainline games. The world series, the story series, and the experimental stuff where they do whatever they like.
Tbh the bipedal cat thing that's speculated to be the starter third evo is pretty understandable. It just makes everything weird and people sexualize it way more. Imo they should stop being bipedal for once
@@jamalhartley5863 so in essence from what I read in your comments, in the video game division of Digimon, it was struggling to find and set a base standard. But recently (don't know how long though), they are now having a much more firm base to build their brand. So, if Pokemon has always been a very casual children focused turn based JRPG,where does the video game equivalent to Digimon lie at? Does it want to be Action JRPG for teens and Up? or Rated M akin to the Platinum Games Action Genre?
“Who was behind the computer virus that was behind the computer virus?” I am NO Digimon expert, but I do know that Digimon are fully sapient and self-motivated beings, and that the digital world can and will spoot out genuinely evil and malicious creatures with no direct input from a person.
The normal lore not including survive. Digimon are basically eldrich creatures from a higher plane of existence that saw 0 and 1 and kinda replaced their molecules with it
Digimon exists in another plane of existence that somehow blends with our dimension because of computers and internet. In the storyline of Digimon Tamers is said that early digimon were programmed by humans as an experiment on AIs but it’s implied that the digiworld existed long before and it was later inhabited by those AIs when the project was shout down. Those AIs just found shelter in the Digiworld, then they fed on data coming from our world through the net, using it to grow and evolve in digimon and other beings like digignomes.
Honestly Cyber Sleuth is pretty good even for new fans. It does a pretty decent job of giving the player an overview of the concept of digimon and is really competent gameplay wise. One of the real strengths of the game is that it plays to Digimon's strengths which have always been the plot and the characters, they are the reason many people enjoy the anime so much. So while Cyber Sleuth is more story heavy I would say it's probably more true to Digimon's success as a franchise.
It's also the origin of it's own continuity line, so you really don't need any prior knowledge (digimon has about 10 continuity lines at this point, probably more.)
The biggest problem is that she picked a sequel to start with. She went with Dawn, which starts a bit later in the story than Dusk, both of which are a sequel to Digimon World DS. And that one actually explains shit. Still maze and grind heavy, but it’s friendlier to beginners.
@@FranXiT honestly, dawn and dusk is at most a very loose sequel of the first. I played both and still got confused in dusk. The world and the areas are completely different from the first game so there rly isn't an explaination on why the teams exists (unlike the first game). Some new mechanics are just not rly explained. To put it simply, dawn and dusk might as well be another game with similar to digimon world DS but with very bad directions
@@adam-dn3hi That was not the problem. Game franchises, most have a community that agrees on either 1 or 2 games that is the best for newcomers. The problem Jaiden had was that the Digifans didn't have an agreement on 1 game that was the best for newcomers, even after many attempts of research. In the end, she had to watch reviews and ratings instead of who had the most upvotes, which ended up being Cyber Sleuth (there was even a reactor who said this game wasn't the best for starters, but then I see comments who says it's good for starters. Like, make up your minds). You know what happened then. Even if she did say what game she was going to play (she wouldn't as she wants to surprise her fans when she releases the animation), the digifans would still give her different recommendations for a starter game instead of just 1. I even noticed after watching many digifans react to her video, even then they all recommended different games. One guy said Cyber Sleuth, one guy said Digi World 1 or any ps1 game, one guy said Digi world DS (don't remember the name), one guy said Digi world 3 and two guys, well three now, said to watch the anime (It doesn't really help as she wants to play a game). Like, how is a newcomer supposed to know 🤷♂
"You mean to tell me the human beings weren't behind the computer virus. The computer virus was behind the computer virus." Welcome to Digimon in a nutshell.
@@YoBGS While no two Digimon series/games have any consistent shared canon, the one and only consistent thread among the franchise is that Digimon are not "created" by humans. They just sort of exist in tandem. Some might say Digimon as a whole _might_ be a byproduct of humanity as a whole, but there's no human being or group of human beings that specifically programmed Agumon or Gatomon. "Virus" is just a generic term that the Digimon franchise uses to classify "inherently evil/destructive Digimon".
@@YoBGS Usually in Digimon stories, humans might have gotten the ball rolling (often unintentionally), but the programs really went wild. None of the Digimon media can agree, but in stories in which Digimon were originally created by humans, they gained sentience and their own separate world all on their own. The humans might have made them, but they expanded and truly established themselves. But there are also tons of stories (like Cyber Sleuth) where the Digimon came into existence without the influence of humans. It’s all sort of confusing.
@@YoBGS In Digimon the Digital world was not created by humans (except maybe in Digimon Tamers?), but instead, the humans discovered the digital world that they can access using machines like computers (even before the machines, there were abnormal phenomenas of Digimon crossing to the human world by accident, molding human culture and creating legends in folklores around the world).
@@dragonbretheren And that's not always the case. As virus is just a typing, granted most evil Digimon have been virus type, but Gallantmon is a virus type too.
Here’s the funny thing. In the west everyone are like pokemon vs digimon, but in most Asia countries we just love both. I mean I grew up loving both. It always confuses me why on earth people need to fight over the two franchises, when in reality they are quite different.
Honestly it's mostly ignorance only because the names are similar after a while we weren't getting any games in the West and the anime became more niche as each series being so vastly different. We had to BEG to get Cyber Sleuth over here for freaking Bandai to acknowledge that Digimon fans exist outside of Japan! But for Pokemon it was a steady stream of content so I'm thinking that's the difference.
Digimon fans in the west don't really participate in the whole "Digimon vs Pokèmon" thing, we understand that the only thing they really share is a genre. It's like if Final Fantasy fans decided only Final Fantasy is allowed to be an RPG and everything that tries to be an RPG is just a ripoff and nobody should like it. It happens with every monster capturing RPG but Persona, it's always treated as "Pokèmon, but..." and is always compared to pokèmon until it gets bullied out of the west. Digimon fans tend to like both (myself included) and it really doesn't help that pokèmon fans typically don't know what they're talking about in any discussion involving other monster capturing rpgs; they tend to just look at it, see the most surface level similarities, and just immediately write it off as a worse clone of pokèmon.
@@anidiot192 Exactly, that’s why I am kind of sad that a lot of western pokemon fans don’t give digimon a chance. They assume digimon is copying pokemon even though they are two very different franchises with unique systems and features.
TRUE! In my country, both shows are on the same channel and aired back to back. And since Monster Rancher was also a thing, the two were different enough that at least I didn't compare them.
I think part of it is due to marketing. Like, did they really need to frankenstein 3 ovas into one movie? Well, the Mewtwo movie was successful so, there ya go! They really could've just dubbed those ovas separately.
Yeah sure every game is complained about, but I think you’re missing the point. In fallout for example, everyone agrees that 76 is a dumpster fire and shouldn’t be played even for torture. However, in the case of New Vegas, everyone agrees it’s one of the better ones, if not the best. The issue with digimon games is that no game really has a collective opinion on it. As Jaiden explained it’s always “yeah it’s fine but it has a ton of issues” it’s never “this is super amazing and it cured my depression” yunno?
With Digimon, I've always found it more personal? Like, in the anime, the human characters would have one Digimon partner to rely on, making sure to emphasis their bonds were what made the Digimon stronger. It's similar with the games, but it is still a monster taming game, so... However, as much as your Digimon changes, back and forth, it's still the same mon. (Also, I like that Digimon can change back and forth because sometimes, I hate the final Pokemon evo. 😔)
Seriously! Warning, this is a really big rant/analysis kind of thing so you don't have to read all of this at all if you don't wanna It feels more personal because of topics being talked about that Pokemon rarely if NEVER touches, like TK and Matt being from a divorced home and not seeing each other often and TK having his arcs of how he processes it all and showing his own personal views with subtle things like how he didn't want the group to separate, and Izzy being adopted and how that affects his relationship with his parents, the topic of simply thinking and mentioning for a moment that the event that made all of the original kids Digidestined being something digimon related that the normal adults mistook as a terrorist attack. The whole fact that in the original show, the crests and ultimate digivolutions were so closely intertwined with the characters actually growing as people and not just because their Digimon got to the required level or had a special item that made it happen. Digimon with how they approach the relationships of humans and their Digimon partners in different ways is always an interesting experience. At it's very core, it's meant to be a franchise about childhood and being a kid and having these personal and special moments. The crests being a symbol of a trait that the kids have in their personality whether they realize it being there or not and only activating when the kid in question comes to realize what they truly stand for or grow in their views as a person or simply stand by the view they had from the start in a difficult situation and be true to themselves, it just feels much more personal than having a special stone that makes a Pokemon go to an even farther stage than their natural final/adult stage with the mega evolutions like that of Charizard, Lucario and many more having. It doesn't emphasize on the relationship of the Trainer and Pokemon, it's just a possible thing. Another reason why it feels more personal is that the Digimon can speak and voice their own opinions as purposeful contrasts or compliments to the kids' personalities and in some shows'/generations of Digimon have their very own personality and may have disagreements with their Tamers like in well- Digimon Tamers, like Henry not wanting to fight or allow Terriermon to fight due to fear of it changing his friend and Terriermon wanting to fight to show what he's made of and to help the others and as well as the case of Impmon going on his own and running away from his tamers because he came to the conclusion that Humans are all selfish but later reflecting and learning they aren't all that way at all and learning as a person. Don't get me wrong, I love both franchises but at the end of the day, a Pokemon is still gonna go back into their Pokeball after a battle is done and can't truly choose, like those who didn't even want to be caught by a trainer and were still caught to later come to terms with how they are now a human's Pokemon. In Digimon it feels much more like the Tamers and their partners are at equal footing and need to work together to make the entire thing actually work fundementally, like in tamers again, it has to be a completely mutual agreement and you can't force a Digimon to do something they don't want to do. Though in theory you could, but it would probably end up in a dark digivolution. Aside from that, otherwise digivolution doesn't happen and your Digimon can dislike you and in some cases literally just run away. My conclusion is that in a lot of cases, Digimon can feel more personal than Pokemon sometimes, and often than not, more frequently than Pokemon since it can tackle topics that usually aren't talked about. Pokemon can get me crying too, but personally it just happens more with Digimon, and I knew of Pokemon first! I just grew closer to Digimon as a franchise.
She started with a sequel so it makes sense she got confused. I feel like she should’ve definitely just gone with the Cyber Sleuth games because they’re by far my favorites. Yeah it’s more story driven but Digimon in general tends to be most of the time.
Yeah for a start off point she should’ve played cyber sleuth or watch a few beginning episodes of the anime first at least to understand Digimon before picking a game
@@nova_kris6366 digimon survive might be a good starting point too. its basically the same story as the first season of the anime, but more interactive than the game where you play as tai, as it allows you to make your own choices, instead of just reenacting the digidestineds choices. And her not being familiar with digimon in general might enhance the experience.
I watched a digifan react to this. I am purely an anime fan. Only played one Digimon game and barely remembered it. All I do remember is that it involved cards. And, apparently, yeah... even the fan says this game is pretty bad. So much so that he remembers he played it. but doesn't remember the actual journey. and that Jaden was probably, unintentionally trolled.
Digimon definitely got most of its fans from the Anime I feel. While people did enjoy the Pokemon Anime, I think the games are what drew most people in and kept them coming back for the longest time, and Digimon games are always just...there lol. Hit or miss, constantly doing different things. If you wanna try and get into Digimon and see if you enjoy it, I really would just check out the anime.
I always saw Digimon, Pokemon, and Yugioh as a trinity. They all had an anime, a game, and a card game. Pokemon had the best games, Yugioh had the best card game, and Digimon had the best anime.
@@YoBGS Basically. Central Computer runs a Digital world (there is a multiverse actually) Central Computer finds out, Oh oh. We have trouble with saving space and corrupt data. Time to Delete it all and start new. But some of his enforcers (called royal knights) turn against him and try to stop that. Depending on the Universe with or without Humans and their partners That is teh MOST barebone version of the story
the problem with digimon games unlike pokemon games is that they dont stick with a formula or a gimick every game feels different not in a good way and thus most of the time its just relearning old mechanics
@@YoBGS I belive they're trying to set a formula now. "World" is for the virtual pet stuff, "Story" is the 3v3 rpg format, and "survive" was meant to be a new Visual novel format, but for some reason people expected a serious TRPG... Also cybesleuth is the best entry point because of the story focus, as you saw in this game, most digimon games don't explain anything. Also cyber sleuth has the same gameplay format as dawn, but good, so the fact she chose this over cybesleuth is hilarious.
Pokemon occasionally does go outside the standard formula just that they are not considered the "mainstream games" of Pokemon. Snap, Puzzle League, Gales of Darkness, Stadium and Coliseum, Ranger, Mystery Dungeon, Detective Pikachu, the Card Game, Pinball, that game that was a crossover with Dynasty Warriors, Arceus, and I feel I'm forgetting some others. However many fans treat them as fun side games. For games where Pokemon is treated like special wrapping over a existing game like Puzzle and Pinball I understand that but for the others I enjoyed seeing new game ideas being tested. The Main Steam games of Pokemon has that formula though sometimes adding (and subtracting) some new aspects per generation (the biggest impact and leap was the leap from gen 1 to gen 2 of new types and features that was enjoyed by most). I appreciate when something new is attempted and then learned from.
25:22 no it doesn't. That's not the same one. Basically that's Lucemon, he has multiple forms, his base form is like this cute Angel kid, then this one, the one you are looking at, is his Fall down mode, because his name comes from Lucifer. Infact there's an entire group of 7 digimon representing the 7 deadly sins called the seven great demon lord's and they are awesome
@@YoBGS here's a run down of the shows in order of release. Also JUST the shows so, no movies or OVAS in this list (with a, notable exception) Digimon Adventure Digimon Adventure 02 Digimon Tamers (the fan favorite) Digimon Frontier Digimon Savers (Data Squad in the USA) Digimon Xros Wars (Digimon Fusion in the USA) Digimon Xros Wars: Boy Hunters who leapt though time (Japanese only) Digimon Universe: Applimon (Japanese Only) Digimon Adventure TRI Movie series/TV show, looks there's two versions, the movie series version and the anime version, both basically the same but split up differently Digimon Adventure 2020 reboot Digimon Ghost Game Digimon Adventure Last Kizuna (the movie that basically ends the Adventure series after all these years)
@@YoBGS Lucemon Fall Down mode is the censored English name the original japanese name is Satan mode playing more into his name coming from the fallen angel Lucifer Also Satan mode is a giant purple dragon holding a giant sphere of darkness (which in that form houses his mind which is in the physical form of a moth that if killed the dragon goes on a mindless rampage)
"You mean to tell me the human beings weren't behind the computer virus. The computer virus was behind the computer virus." Dude, Digimon were not made by humans in most canon, the only exception to my knowledge being tamers. they just sprouted up at some point and then both worlds just influenced each other from that point on. A human CAN be behind everything in a particular story, as was the case with Analogman in World 1, but lone digimon and other miscellaneous digital lifeforms can just as easily be the driving force behind a story.
@@YoBGS it's not that hard, it's essentially a computer program coming to life and eventually becoming a straight-up lifeform. We are speculated to have our origin in SPACE DUST so Digimon are free game for anything that they want.
6:16 The thing is that Cybersleuth is an entirely self contained world and story that does a good job of establishing what Digimon are. It is a great place for newcomers and plays to the strengths of Digimon which has always been story and characters.
I was never a fan of the Digimon games, but the show was such a childhood classic. I’ve gone back and watched it again and still loved it. I would say Pokémon easily has the better games, but Digimon to me easily has the better show.
Digimon actually ages their characters & has more interesting stories in their anime. As a Pokemon fan, I definitely can agree with DIgimon having a better anime
@@jamalhartley5863 Yeah, I honestly have not played the Pokémon games or Digimon games in a good while, but back when I did, I definitely enjoyed Pokémon more game wise.
I never understand people who thinks Digimon talking and speaking is weird. I always prefer that than having my monsters say their names over and over. Imagine if your dog just constantly say “dog, dog, dog, DOG, DOG, dOggy, dOG DOG!” Lol Most digimon game players probably grew up with Digimon World, the game lets you just figure things on your own, which is probably what the majority of digimon game fans does,they figure stuff on their own lol cause if their first game is DW1 it explains a lot, but despite all that, it was rewarding. But i agree when it comes to Dawn/Dusk, cause in DW1 there are no mazes, no random encounters, you can see enemies physically you can easily avoid them. Do pokemon fans never played any non pokemon games? Cause it sounds like they don’t. Pokemon fans who expects digimon games to be like pokemon games will never not be funny lol
I love how they start you off in the normal world (Japan) and then slowly introduce things and teach you about Digimon because the main character doesn’t know what a Digimon is either! Its a shame because a few of them are like that where as Dawn just throws you into the deep end and expects that you know what Digimon is.
@@franciscosanchez-op1dc I am old enough and lucky enough to have had the original tomodachi digimon during elementary school and thats what pulled me in originally. The raising and battling aspect pulled me in and the show kept me loving it! I will admit though outside of the Digimon World and Cyber Sleuth games I never got into many other games due to the mix bag of never knowing what to expect and my PSP was entirely dedicated to the Monster Hunter franchise.
The charm of digimon games for me is the grinding. So the un-repel maze is to cater that charm. Not to mention, that lots of digivolution came from the same rookie/baby digimons. So the grinding is necessary so that you can unlocked other evolutions that has a requirements (atleast in the games i used to play). And dont forget that Digimon is Digital Monster. Based on the name alone, A.I. is everything in this game. So thats why the mons can talk like human. And thats why the main boss and enemies not always be human and can be Digimon. Because the A.I. evolved to become an evil being. Just like human. Its different from Pokemon because Pokemon is supposed to be a 'real-life'. So the main enemies are humans. Thats what I think, having playing the 2 franchise side by side all my life.
As a Digimon fan let me try to clear up a few things. For the 'who is behind the virus behind the virus', basically the story is that man made computer, computer made an entire alternate world with laws and rules that have no relation to the real one, and ran from there. So if you die int he digital world you follow those rules, you become data and die just like anything else. Digimon as a series has no 1 formula, and that is one of the appeals, chances are some video game, anime, or card game will work at least a bit for you. But Dawn was NOT where to start. It's a sequel and the entire gameplay IS grinding, that's the point. OK to explain if anyone reads this, let me compare real quick. If you want a Charizard you get a Charmander, raise level 16 forCharmeleon, and then your still 15 and raise to 36 fpr Charizard. if you want ShineGreymon you start with Koromon, go to Agumon from level up, you can't get to GeoGreymon because you need to be level 20 but are capped at 19, so go to Greymon at level 19, which makes you a level 1 Greymon, degenerate BACK into Agumon, back to level one but your level cap and stats are better so now you can level back up to go to GeoGreymon, RiseGreymon WOULD be next but you need to have something like 2500 EXP from Machine Digimon which you can't reasonably get yet so either just stay at the cap and don't get better until you get that Machine EXP or degenerate BACK into Agumon so you can evolve BACK into Geogreymon to get more stats while you wait for a good way to get the Machine EXP, then you get ShineGreymon. From there you need 270 ATK and 15,000 Holy EXP plus a level of 54 to FINALLY get ShineGreymon, but you will need to grind the Holy EXP and it's totally possible that level 54 will not get you that 270 ATK so grind past that, possibly degenerate and evolve AGAIN for more stats, and now you FINALLY have ShineGreymon...but just for the record may want to degenerate and evolve again for that last bit of stats you want. That's a lot, it's grinding and planning and patience. But if you like that, if you like planning and watching those numbers work for you, it feels GOOD, satisfying. If you don't though...well good luck with that, maybe pick a different game.
Plus the end results are so worth it. Ya feel like a king with literal gods at your beck and call. Walking around with Susanomon, Omegamon, and Lucemon FM. It's like, I can end anything and anyone. It makes sense it's a lot to go through because the end results kinda speak for themselves. Especially once you have it, ya have it forever. Or you could make 2 and both have different stats.
The biggest diference of Digimon and Pokemon: One is a GAME franchise with a anime on the side (and great manga) Another is a ANIME franchise with games on the side and some comics Yeah. Digimon suffers the anime/cartoon curse of animation-turned-game poor quality
Karina Farek from Drawfee gave the best summary of Pokemon Evolutions vs Digimon Digivolutions: "With Pokemon, it goes: Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard. Right? With Digimon it goes: Charmander, Charizard, Charizard with a gun wearing pants, Gyarados, Professor Oak in BDSM wear, and then Ditto."
Digimon is an isekai series; it is not a video game world you log in. You can really die there. The digital world(s) exist as some kind of cyberspace transformed into parallel dimension. The Digimon themselves (AI that exist in a transdimensional junk folder that has turned into something resembling an ecology) absorb data and reconfigure their files to digivolve and thus technically have branching evolution paths at almost every stage. It is not a biological process, so cat to angel is less about DNA and more about metaphors and "diet". It is not a franchise helped by the fact that almost every series and several games exist in their own universe within a shared multiverse. Heck some of the anime series exist as fiction within other other series and games...and then they physically meet each other, albeit acknowledging they are from seperate universes. Note: I am not a big Digimon fan, nor have I watch all the series. I have never played any of the games. I did watch some of the earlier series. The above stuff is like low hanging fruit for the fandom.
Digimon games have issues for sure, and the anime although very nostalgic is not without issues, I do like it more than the Pokemon anime tho. Digimon games are split into 2 types for the most part 1 - the RPG pokemon esque games where you have a team, grind and evolve to go through dungeons and progress the story 2 - The tamagochi kind, tamagochi is the origin of Digimon, or as they called them back then, v-pets, essencially tamagochi that could connect and battle, these games are world exploration, with pet raising and quests, you raise up the digimon, but like tamagochi they have limited livespans, need proper treatment, training, and everytime they die and reincarnate, they start off stronger so you can do more with them, this is the more niche genre of Digimon games and you either love it or don't care about it on the side we have some fighting games, card games (modern digimon tcg is actually pretty fun), and the most recent, Digimon Survive, a visual novel with a little bit of RPG mixed in, it was advertised this way, yet most people thought it would be more RPG heavy, so they complained about it being 90% text when it came out. Of all the games, like she mentioned, Cyber Sleuth is the most player friendly, and my personal favourite, the grinding is reasonable and mostly optional, there are plenty of Digimon to unlock, some require a bit more investment to unlock, but like I said, it's optional for the most part. The story is not super complicated, the presentation is nice, and it does something Pokemon has never done, despite the large quantity of Digimon available, most have a unique special attack with its own animation. btw that digimon she showed and you said "THIS EVOLVES FROM A CAT" is called Lucemon, and it does not evolve from a cat, you are thinking of Angewomon :P Yeah although the digivolution lines do not always make sense, it's one of the wonders of Digimon, most of them can evolve into multiple digimon, and it's fun to see what you unlock next. For example in Cybersleuth, you can have multiple choices of evolution, let's say you don't like the one you got, you can de-evolve it backwards, and try to unlock a new one, and while that may sound annoying, to level it up again, by the end of the game you can have Digimon in your party that multiply the EXP you get from battles + equipment that increases exp earned in battle, like getting your new mons from lvl 1 to 50 in literally 5 minutes, and less than an hour for lvl99 2 party members
7:07 no, its not the same, in other Games you always have a few people complaining abaut any stupid things, but whit digimon there is not only that people, but also many people complaining for genuine and valid reasons
Digimon is a VERY important franchise for me. Cyber Sleuth is the first game of it I played tho and I was surprised because I know the reputation of the games. ITS GREAT. High B tier.
I'm a souls fan. Hell yes there are people who despise those games. A lot of things can be seen as both a negative and a positive depending on person. It's hard. The story is convoluted and hidden. You can lose A LOT of progress in an instant. Good or bad things? Both are valid.
Digimons digievolve instead of evolving. They are from the digital world and their forms are influenced by human culture (or the digimons are the ones that influenced human culture?).
I tried to scan the comments to see if anyone has brought this up yet, but didn’t see it. So digimon do not have a set digivolution line. Their are digimon that more naturally evo into each other, agumon into greymon, but the games tend to change what can turn into what. Their are certain lines that tend to be together or have something similar so they are grouped together, but digimon are influenced by various forms of data and can change drastically based on what data they have. The tamagotchi like digivice’s that started the franchise and are still being made today, allow you to raise your digimon and what they turn into is influenced by how you raise them.
There's something very funny about seeing non-Digimon fans being confused over digimon, like "there should be a person behind the computer virus!" it's just so funny For anyone curious, no, this is completely normal in the digital world. In fact, humans have very very little to do with digimon in general! There are some digimon that were created by humans originally (like salamon and labramon) but those are the minority. Digimon are completely sentient beings and have their own communities, and sometimes the core of the digiworld decides to fuck them over! This has happened multiple times!
@9:50. The M stands for Mega so it's MegaSeadramon. Your putting emphasis on the wrong part of the name as the dramon part is most important since it's a dramon Digimon aka Dragon. MegaSeaDRAmon. You should see his cousin WaruSeadramon lol. The basic gist of Digimon is really simple. Digital monsters, their origins, purpose, and everything else depends on the anime and game. So long as you know Digital Monsters, that's it that's kinda all the homework you need to understand what is a Digimon.
I'm sorry but no. Not every franchise has the same problem. Digimon Games (especially the early ones) have a high barrier to entry and are not good games in general. Pokemon landed on a "good enough" formula since original gameboy ones and stuck to the formula iterating mostly on graphics and pokedex with zero changes to the game loop. Digimon games are an inconsistent mess. I love them. But with that love comes admittance of franchise flaws.
XD your complains over gatomon evolving to angewomon xD To give you some context, in the franchise, any digimon can evolve into multiple forms depending on how they lived, their stats, environment, data that they absorbed, etc being that if the conditions are given, any digimon can evolve into any digimon In gatomon's case, it can evolve into an angel woman because it has data of holy digimon in it being that it CAN evolve into holy digimons like angels and stuff, but it can also evolve into beasts, dragons etc depending on many factors, the same for many digimons like in jaiden's case where a white dinosaur evolved into a big worm / sea serpent / snake with dragon data and a metal thing on its head xd
It is a travesty that Plotmon/Salamon evolves into Diatrymon and Jazamon doesn't. Little Puppy becomes Big Metal Bird, but Small Metal Bird Dragon doesn't become Big Metal Bird.
what you dont understand is, they are digital. how a cat digivolve into an angel? its bcs all of them are data. the mon in digimon actually stand for file. like agumon is actually meant as agu.mon. and like a lot of file, u can alter it in any way you want. once you understand what digital monster rlly stands for, you'll get the whole digivolution.
"Crystal Eggs to evolve." What is he talking about? The Armor Eggs??? You dont need them all the Time, they are just a Gimmic for a "special Evolution". M. Seadramon or Mega Seadramon, is a Water Snake Monster on the Mega Level (4 Level.) And da dont F with them!
I hate to be that guy....but MetalSeadramon is his mega form, the one in the video is MegaSeadramon. Of course ya gotta be deep in the lore to know that on site.....which I unfortunately am...
My favourite Monster catching franchise is Yo Kai Watch. Yes, the franchise get a bad reputation but the games are pretty good but it sucks to see it die in west. I will say the stories are much more better than modern Pokémon games
I don't know about that series. I watched epi 1 of the show one day and was just Confused. The entire story seemed exactly like one of the old cheap cookiecutter kids shows from a couple decades ago. I have No Clue what makes the series popular. Do you have any recommendation for entering the series for someone that hated how 1-10 year old focused the show seemed? I watch series for kids all the time, its my main interest in tv, but something about how generic the show seemed hit me wrong, idk. =/
Digimon survive is a great vn as it says top vn but many people went into it not listening to the devs the hype clouded out the devs telling peope what the game even was and people made their own exspectations that were not even close to whqt the devs told people they were making
Just saying. In Pokemon you can literally start anywhere. I started with Crystal then BW/B2W2 then gen 1 and 3 then the latest ones SwSh and Arceus. Btw no guide books. And still doable. I got my pokemon Crystal around age 10 and did it in a month + "schooldays". And looking at that game made me have a headache. Since it needs a guidebook to play. It would be better if theres maybe something like a quest marker or notifs on where to go next would be good. But doing grinding sub quest is a big nono.
Actually most communities agree on at least one good game to start, like with Pokemon, sure some people disagree and complain but the majority of people would agree Fire Red is a good game go start, being Kanto, having classic graphics and being easy to play even for noobs. Digimon fans just suffer lmao
It's MSeadramon because it's actual name is MegaSeadramon. But I guess the game doesn't even give itself enough characters for the actual digimon names.
I agree that this is just kind've any franchise a newcomer is trying to get into. No one really ever agrees where to start because they are all different and unique in their own way. And as an avid pokemon fan and player people are DEFINITELY always complaining about any gen
The issue with this is that it's all about the TYPE of complaining. Jaiden on the video says it pretty well when she says "it's not angry complaining either", like, there's a difference between a fandom going into complaining wars after every change, and a franchise where people who try to recommend it are like "yeah I recommend this, buuuut...", which is what happens with like Digimon and Sonic and the like. The first type is good and healthy, the second type is a fandon that has been battered repeatedly and really needs an intervention. For the record: if you want to start digimon, pick cyber sleuth, it's not as story heavy as jaiden thought and it is by far the best introduction, not even necessarily because of quality, but just because it is easy to comprehend how it is supposed to work. And this brings me to the issues with the franchise. There's 2 big ones: 1-Lack of Consistency. Every other digimon game is COMPLETELY different from the rest. Sometimes it doesn't even seem liie the same game company much less the same franchise. It's like if Mario games instead of having a core franchise of platformers with spinoffs to boot, it was just the spinoffs, like after super mario 1 came the olympics followed by kart and right next mario galaxy with 0 other games inbetween to let you understand what the hell it's supposed to even work. And most of them, specially the ones that are sequels story wise (like dawn here) do not explain any part of the world or story either, they expect you to know beforehand what is going on, that's why dawn starts you at the end of a tournament without any intro. And trust me, it can get very weird very fast. 2-Complexity. Jaiden described digimon world as being like Tamagotchi... That's not coincidental. Digimon World 1, which is the first digimon game, started as a fusion of tamagotchi with the JRPG formula. That was the inspiration. And if you know your JRPGs and Tamagotchi you know both of those things are VERY complex. And most digimon games are even more complex than that, even mechanically, the story is anoyher mindfuck altogether. Some of the games (cyber sleuth specially) simplified a bit and at least gave you a good intro before throwing you at the insanely complex world, but most digimon games just expect you to be good at the genre before you start, they do not have a tutorial worth a damn, the closest thing they have only introduces the new mechanics. And they can be very obtuse. So yeah... It's not the same kind of complaining as pokemon. The digimon franchise knows some real pain. But it is oretty good at times. Just avoid the ds games, those are trash, and start with cybrr sleuth, trust me, you don't want to start with the others right of the bat.
13:32 no, not even close. It isn't a game world. In the story, the Digital World is literally an entire separate world they are in. So yes, if they die, they die for real. Because it isn't a game they are in.
21:17 to even ask this question shows a lack of understanding of what Digimon is. They still aren't just in a computer. No human created the digital world or Digimon, never mind the virus.
I kinda don't get why some people get so caught up with the evolution thing. Yeah, it's off-putting at first, but the thing is that digimon don't really have evolution "lines", they're trees. An Agumon could become a Greymon, a Tyrannomon or whatever reptile adult level mon. It keeps things exciting and it makes it feel like how you decide to grind your mons actually matters bc you can get a dif one depending on stats (and depending on the game you play). Besides, if digivolutions would always make intuitive sense, they'd be too similar to pokemon and pokemon fans would still be complaining. I'm just now realizing how weird some of the complaints that pokemon fans have about digimon are. "It's a Pokemon clone!" "It's too different and weird!". Lmao, make up your mind. Anyway, it sounds like I'm angry and I didn't enjoy the video, but I did. I just had one response to one of your criticisms about Digimon
Difference between digimon and pokemon is, Digimon isn't afraid to go serious 😂 Ehem... Digimon Tamers 😂 I'd just say, Digimon is a better show just because of that bits of seriousness and better progress... I mean, COME ON, TAICHI AND THE OTHERS ACTUALLY GREW UP 😂 Pokemon is a much better game Because its world is more vibrant and more welcoming while its anime... it has no progress... Ash stayed 10 since the beginning of time. I won't mind watching the pokemon anime but just, Don't expect me to pay that much attention to it 😂
Ummmm...just as there is gen1 with Pokémon, there is gen1 with Digimon. The problem is that the games don't mirror the show. Digimon has long tried to go in a different direction but have come short many times. I believe she should've started with Cyber Sleuth. Also, Lucemon does not evolve from a cat. Please, if you don't know something KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. The amount of disrespect was disgusting dude.
Growing up, most of the kids I knew were the "Digimon > Pokemon" kind of kids, me included. That said, everyone unanimously agreed that: 1) Digimon anime > Pokemon anime. 2) Digimon games are generally trash. 3) Pokemon games are generally good. A lot of kids preferred Digimon but NEVER because of their games. While its true that there are complaints about every games in every franchise, good or bad, this doesnt change the fact that Digimon games ARE trash.
As a digimon fan, let me explain a few things: -First off, the choice of game. Yes, Jaiden chose wrong. Mainly because Digimon Dawn/Dusk is a SEQUEL to digimon world DS. And yes, that one was also grindy and convoluted, but Dawn/Dusk being, once again an effing SEQUEL turns it up to eleven. And of course it doesn't tutorialize nor does it explain the setting; it assumes you've already played the game it's a SEQUEL for. -"Is it like SAO? If you die in the game do you die for real?" No, there is no game. Dhe digital world is an straight-up alternate dimension, connected to the human world through it's cyber-space. So all the digimon tamers are physically in the digital world and could indeed very easily be killed. -" the computer virus that was behind the computer virus?" Indeed it was. And it's not that much of a twist, since digimon is basically the "IA gainig sentience" turned to the nth degree. Just so you can imagine, it all started with a computer running a wild life simmulation for fictional species, IA rampancy kicks in and by the time you realize the simmulation isn't being hosted in the computer any longer, instead it has constructed it's own parallel dymension to exist in, those hypothetical creatures have evolved (In the darwinian sense, not digivolution) into monsters called digimon that follow natural rules completely alien to the world you know and some of which couid even destroy the world itself; and the computer hosting and running things has trancended into godhood. So yeah, a computer virus gaining sentience, turning into a digimon and messing things up is npt really a surprise.
Digimon is a strange case, it's a franchise that for the longest time didn't have a set formula. This was both good and bad as it meant anyone can find something to enjoy, but also lack of consistency hurts the franchise. Digimon CAN be fun, very much so. The problem is Jaiden picked THE WORST game to start with, dawn and dusk are not that good in many ways and dawn is WORSE than dusk since dawn doesn't have a tutorial segment to introduce you to things, dusk DOES have a tutorial. Do you see the issue? She really should have gone for dusk or cyber sleuth, or even hackers memory. Cybersleuth and its sequel are THE BEST starting game to get into Digimon as they take what works from dawn and dusk and get rid of most of the bad. Those games are essentially the formula Digimon will most likely use as its main one from now on(tho there will be alternatives, like survive which is 60% visual novel, and a damn good visual novel at that)
There are several things I'd like to say but I'll refrain from most to keep just the small thing that somehow really got me 1. Your issue with Digimon evolution is partially answered by yourself when said they were computer programs. To clarify, they aren't necessarily programs but they are Data based Creatures/Digital Lifeforms. This means they are naturally affected by data and energy. Since the data they could effectively come to obtain can vary wildly so to can what they turn into thus you end up something like Cat becoming Angel that turns into a Dragon or Dinosaur turning into Cyborg version of itself only to then become a knight. Not of it is set in stone and can have it's own context behind it. 2. the Digimon she showed in a framed portrait at the end with the Mix of Angel and Demon wings is Lucemon and doesn't evolve from what your thinking of. In fact Lucemon is interesting example as he actually evolves from a lower version of himself. It works like this, Lucemon becomes Lucemon Falldown Mode(The one in the video) which can go further in to Lucemon Shadow Lord/Satan Mode and Lucemon Larva.
1. When it comes to a fandom being able to recommend a game I think Pokemon has a leg up on what Jaiden seems to have experienced looking for a good Digimon game. "Hey, I wanna start getting into Pokemon games, any recommendations?" right off the bat you will have an overwhelming swell of "Heart Gold or Soul Silver" being recommended. 2. Even Digitubers who have watched this said that this was very much the wrong game for a beginner, and recommended a few in their videos that have actual tutorials in them. 3. Screw games where side quests aren't optional and gatekeep story progression. Mind you this doesn't include missions where a person with important plot progression asks for a favor before giving you info/important item. eg: Three dog wanting you to repair a communications dish before helping you progress in finding your father. As opposed to Saints Row 2 where you have to do multiple pointless side activities to get to story progression.
Digimon aren't created by people, the virus Digimon aren't created by people, they just exist they are born from Digi-eggs. Also Digivulution isn't as straight forward as you implied, every Digimon can turn into 2-8 different Digimon based on other factors. Aka if you don't understand the basics of Digimon any game you play isn't going to make sense. The discourse between the fans is because there are three different types of Digimon games some are closer to visual novels, other are like the one in Jaiden's video and my favorites are raising your Digimon to fight in an auto battler situation but all are very different from Pokemon because their actually based on Tamagachi not Pokemon as it was literally made as Tamagachi for boy's. I hope I could explain some misunderstandings for you
I left a comment on Jaidens video as well, but let's take part in conversation here since it is here! I've played pretty much *every* Digimon game (outside of the console exclusives after PS2) under the sun and pretty much only one I've enjoyed, as mentioned by Jaiden in the video, is Cyber Sleuth. Rather than Persona, it reminds me more of Pokémon XD/Colosseum, has some good writing moments and fun characters and was overall an ok time. But probably the most time I've spent in is the Digimon World for PSX and just as it was mentioned, it is this weird... Tamagotchi + RPG... thing. I was never able to beat it since the game was REALLY friggin' hard if you did not know exactly what you were doing. I've probably spent hundreds of hours on that as kid because I remember really liking the first season of Digimon anime as a kid and were determined to get as far as I could. (And Tamagotchis were still kinda a thing back then, so that helped.) Speedruns of DW1 are actually kinda fun. They were literally the only time I actually saw the ending of the game. lol
The digital world in Digimon is whack. They may have started from computers, but the world developed into it's own thing like a hyper advanced learning computer. It is it's own dang planet made of hyper sentient code. The code can literally dissolve an irl person or object to binary code, control people and other Digimon, and Digimon operate on Tamagotchi logic where they just rebirth when they die unless their cores are destroyed. Cores are basically their soul. Digimon are both physically real in the human world and in their own world, as much as humans can become code. It is more dimensional travel than restricted to computers most of the time. The interpretation does vary between season of anime or video game, but generally an Agumon is both a file and an organism.
13:27 it depends, but as far as i know, if you were transporte to the digital World, then yes, you die for real, and there probably isn't even a corpse to find on the human World. 15:03 right, most digimons are sentient, inteligent, capable of speech, emotions and anything a human can do plus the power to destroy Worlds in some cases. 16:50 not even one of those was right. 21:06 digimons can act, change, evolve and take decisions on their own. Depending on the unirversr humas didn't even created digimons, instead the digimons existed on another dimension and the rise of tecnology only connected the two Worlds. 25:21 some evolutions don't make any sense, others make a lot of sense, others only make sense if you know the lore, but that specific digimon dosn't evolves from a Cat but from a smaller angel, wich gets corruped and half turns into a demon. 26:12 sorry, but have you seen digimon adventure tri? or digimon universe? Or digimon adventure 2020? They are so bad, borderline unwachable. I separate each sentence a lot in the hopes that it dosn´t look that heavy to read
so Digimon in a nutshell All info in the computers became a digital world, the internet exanded it even more, that info got born into Digimon, so their forms represent that concept that was put in the net For Tailmon, cats are seen as holy in egyptian myth, that got mixed with some biblical text with the angels depiction and rings, so the ring on Tailmon is a holy ring, then cause there is no simple jump to deity in egyptian myth from a cat, it can go into another holy race, angels also, they all have diverging evolution lines, some more complex than others in how to and Tailmon can become Bastetmon... through a bit more effort edit: Mewtwo talks, through Telepathy, and so does Arceus by the way
I will say in regards to Digimon talking is that it only feels weird if you expect them to be like Pokémon. Pokémon are animals (pets) while most Digimon are basically people (friends in case of your partners). If you apply the Pokémon/Trainer dynamic to something that acts and talks like a person it makes the whole owning and forcing another living being to fight for your amusement thing a tad uncomfortable. Digimon don't have that dynamic with their tamers. What dynamic Digimon do have varies between the different seasons and games. That can be a pro or a con depending on how you look at it (personally I prefer that Digimon can use and ignore lore/canon however it wants to tell the current story but if you're trying to get a grip of Digimon as a whole it's not exactly helpful). I'm sure there's some Digimon media out there that uses a similar monster/trainer dynamic to Pokémon but the closest I can think of was only done with a villain (he didn't fully comprehend that Digimon were real so felt no remorse making them hurt each other). I think a better comparison in Pokémon terms would be mystery dungeon. In mystery dungeon there are no people so Pokémon become equivalent to people. You and your partner are equals who share a goal and need to compromise. Digimon usually work the same way in the Digital World. The only real difference is that when a human gets sent to the Digital World they don't also turn into a Digimon (except for that one season). If you go in expecting something closer to mystery dungeon (at least where the partner dynamic is concerned) it might feel more accessible. That said I started with Digimon first so I don't know what it's like viewing it with Pokémon expectations.
To explain the computer virus thing, the digital world is a parallel universe to real world that existed before computers. The internet exist because it uses the data from the digital world. So computer exist because the digital world and not the other way round. So yes the computer virus was created by a computer virus makes perfect sense.
MSeadramon= Mega Seadramon Dude what do you mean that's not how it works go watch the original animations hell go watch the second series it's always the Evil Digimon.
I totally agree that everybody has a nitpick about their fandom. Mine is a controversial one about Pokemon Diamond and Pearl. I hated it for the longest time because of nit picky reasons like “If you don’t pick Chimchar, your only fire type was Ponyta till you beat the game” or “In order to transfer pokemon from previous games you were limited to 6 every 24 hrs…”. Though from what I understand it was very beloved by many people, especially Platinum for one of my friends who said it was their first pokemon game.
I mean, the Cybersleuth games and the World Re:Digitize continuity of games have actually been good The SAO thing.......Depends on the continuity and if your body and soul are sent to the Digital World or Digimons go to the Human world.....so yeah, there is a risk of dying....and don't forget that digimon are fully sapient...and sometimes they can have Blue and Orange moralities. I would say, if you want to start with an easy digimon game, that you will enjoy if you like Pokemon......yeah, i would say Cybersleuth. Because we are talking about your entry into franchise, not THE BEST GAME!, it is a really good entry.....not the really old ones that didn't really know what they were doing. Its an easy entry and an RPG. The only annoying thing is the ABI requirement for Digievolution. Its basically pokemon with an actual interesting story. And no, it doesnt really feel like persona. I played Hacker's Memories and i loved it, i am still getting all the digimon (Lucemon Satan Mode was a bitch and a half to get) On the Question of how to unlock the story, you have a set of missions, from side story to the actual missions you have to do to progress the story (those are a bit bland, ngl.) But the Eden dungeons are pretty straightforward, there is a minimap and you have several Hacker abilities that make traversal easier. You can grind in this game, if you want, but it is much easier when you have an Ultimate Level neutral digimon and either 2 Platinum Sukamon, which double the amount of experience all the mons get, or 2 Platinum Numemon, which quadruple the EXP. Meanwhile you have several isles in the Digilab where your digimon gain experience(over time) and can train specific stats to access different digievolutions, craft items, or Investigate for side missions which either dont really do much, or after passing them you get an item needed for a specific Digievolution (I have all the Royal Knights except Magnamon, because the darn mission, in which you get the digieggs of Miracle and Destiny, won't freaking appear). After Cybersleuth, if you want to experience what Pure OG Digimon is like, you could play the Digimon Next Order.....and experience what raising a Digimon is first hand...jsyk the digimon are on a timer and they die of old age.......Have fun with that "Who was behind the Virus" Answer: A Virus Type digimon who decided he wanted to either destroy the digital world, rule it, destroy the digital world or destroy the Human world. Yes, digimons can be antagonists and decide they want to be evil dicks.....sometimes out of Megalomania or simply because they want to be evil.
The nephew of a friend recently asked me why Digimon exists because it was obviously a copy of Pokemon. But he is 9, he just doesnt know better. I grew up in the 90s in Germany. Digimon and Pokemon were both a thing, I remember watching the anime and that I had sticker albums of both. I dont know what happened, but after some time Digimon was just pushed into the background by Pokemon, even though they are quite different when you look at them closer. Now I am so used to the Pokemon games, when I want to start a Digimon game, I get overwhelmed by the "evolution" possibilities because there is no 1 evolves into 2 and then 3. Instead it is (apart from exceptions) this 1 can evolve into one of these 10 and I am simply used to 2 decades of the Pokemon concept. My copy of Digimon World next order is still waiting for me to continue exploring.
I grew up on the various Digimon anime so I wanted to personally played Dawn/Dusk few years ago and will say it was tedious. The side quest are indeed obnoxious and the maps are labyrinth. And while there are some cool feats like MOVING THE MAP TO SEE WHERE YOUR GOING BUT--it never tells you that. I thought I liked it at first cause it was just challenging enough to be fun more than Pokémon but charm wore off and it got tiring but I lowkey would come back to game cause it my first exposure to some cool concepts like a multi-line evolution chart. And at the time I didn't find other games with concepts executed better than dawn/disk till cyber sleuth.
Let's hope she'll actually get to Cyber Sleuth eventually. It's a great series and the closest to Pokémon in terms of gameplay. Who knows where she heard it was Persona 5-esque.
Cyber Sleuth is amazing! But the closest Digimon has to Pokemon in my opinion is Digimon World 3. It has Gym Battles, Evil Organization trying to take over/change the world, and 1v1 turn based combat with party mechanics identical to Pokemon.
Arceus can talk telepathically tho. As can a lot of Pokemon. And Meowth also talks but verbally. Digimon don't even talk all the time, either. But many do, especially the partner ones.
Yeah that game horrible. ruclips.net/video/2R6jkYVeP-s/видео.html here is one of the complain about digimon world dawn/dusk, it is a 4 years old video btw
I’ve seen some of the anime, I’ve played cyber sluth and hackers memory and I consider myself a digimon fan. Also the fact that digimon evolution is not so straight forward is what makes it so unique and fun. Not knowing what it can turn into is appealing at least to me.
@@g.r.4459 It mostly depends on their human partners influence since Digimon are the other half of their human's soul/their other self. Human emotions, feelings, emotional states,belief systems greatly affect how they evolve. Like when Takato got angry and had killing intent on Beelzebumon he caused Guilmon to turn into Megidramon.
As someone who played this game (Dusk version for me because I too am an edgy B##ch) the game is great the only problem is how pooly thought out the story is and how needlessly complicated the world maps are! If they would've just did a pokemon style open area or even a legacy of Goku style level or hell a final fantasy style world map for each level things would've been great!
From looking around it seems people enjoy the show (which more people like than Pokemon's) more than the games. It seems it did the show better than the Digimon games
to answer the question about the digiworld it's an whole another planet. Death is the end but some point in the show or at least not the first season, Digimon get downloaded into your device and can get uploaded when defeated. (at least from what I found/remember)
21:00 Humans basically never really had any interaction with the Digiworld, basically no one knew the world exisited until the digital devices fell to people and took them to the digial world
That's kinda what I figured. Like as a kid I remembered enjoying the show I just didn't see it much, but it was cool monsters and computers and that's all I needed
Digimon has some really good games, but I also think nostalgia plays a huge part. As a child you have the patience to explore more and make errors, but as an adult you get more impatient and want to make progress faster. I am an anime fan, but I also LOVE Digimon World 1 and Digimon World 3. I think Digimon Story Cybersleuth is pretty good, and I am waiting for Digimon World Next Order to come out on the Switch so I can finally play it (it is similar to Digimon World 1). Digimon games are different from Pokèmon in a lot of ways though, and you always have to read about what genre the game is, or try it out to see if it is a fit for you. I know a lot of people don't like the first digimon game because it is similar to raising tamagotchi, because Digimon originally started out as a tamagotchi (V-pet) before the anime, so it gets frustrating to having to feed them, take them to the toilet, and training them, only to have a certain amount of time before they die of old age. But it also makes it more challenging, and really fun once you get the hang of it. I think a Pokèmon fan should maybe have started with Digimon World 3 though. It is pretty similar to a lot of Pokèmon games, and the only complaint for me is that leveling up takes a really long time once you start getting higher level Digimon.
Quick lore tips to understand digimon in a nutshell 1. Digimon as the name implies are digital monsters 2. Digimon have rank lvls not number lvls Where Pokémon can lvl 1-100 digimon start from a digiegg to baby,training lvl,rookie,champion,ultimate,then finally mega Digimon takes place in a world where people and digimon use the multiverse theory where the digimon live in the digital world which is linked to the World Wide Web in the human world and select few kids get digivices and a partner digimon to help solve conflicts in both so simply 2 worlds 1 story 3. Theirs are different forms of digivolution DNA digivolve from anime season 2, Hybrid digivolve from season 3 digimon tamers, Burst mode from digimon data squad, Spirit digivolve from digimon frontier, And finally digifuse from digimon fusion/digimon hunters, 4.Digimon have types but only 3 1.data type 2.virus type 3.vaccine type 5. They’re will be metal variants in a digimon evolution line depending on which evolution tree you’re going down
should have played digi world 3 or 1 (where u better remember where the toilettes are so ur digimon can go poop! Never the player, allways the digimon!)
@@YoBGS 1. Not robots, digital lifeforms, 2. Digimon stem from TAMAGOTCHI, their original conception is as Tamagotchi for boys, they living breathing creatures and NOT robots(only some Digimon possess robotic bodies)
What franchise have you always wanted to get into but never knew where to start?
I wanted to try Warioware or Xenoblade. But I never knew where to start with either franchise.
Warhammer.... And DND but I finally got into that a few years ago
Touhou
Sonic, I still debate
Comics in general
I've seen some people describe it as "Digimon is better at making anime and Pokémon is better at making games"
Im a fan of both, but I personally love digimon world, and digimon story cybersleuth, more than pokemon games. It's just a shame digimon games are so hit or miss.
Digimon is a lot more focused on story, both the games and the anime
@@leonardolf6974 Remember Hunters and the reboot?
Old Pokemon fans nowadays: "new games suck"
Also old pokemon fans after the next gen comes out: "the previous game was better"
@@black97_0 yeah they get progressively worse, so the new game sucking and the next one being worse isn't a contradiction (Scarlet and violet looks good tho, and legends arceus was well received)
I feel the difference between Digimon fans complaining, and for example Pokemon fans complaining, is just like Jaiden said: It's not angry complaining.
Pokemon fans angrily complain about everything. Verry agressively too! To the point that they complained to and attacked FAN ARTISTS designing bipedal versions of the new cat starter!
Digimon fans on the other hand, seem to largly just have resigned to having mid games and are just kinda sad about it.
Your not off the mark Pokémon is stream lined with spin-offs
digimon is more “varied” in there games creation with little formulaic series
Well that's honestly not the case and hasn't been for a while my guy. The last few Digimon games have been good, no debate needed.
There was the little kerfuffle with Survive but that's people being dumb and not researching the game, like for five minutes. It takes five minutes to know it's a visual novel first and a strategy game second.
Digimon isn't mid anymore. We got three mainline games. The world series, the story series, and the experimental stuff where they do whatever they like.
Tbh the bipedal cat thing that's speculated to be the starter third evo is pretty understandable. It just makes everything weird and people sexualize it way more. Imo they should stop being bipedal for once
@@jamalhartley5863 so in essence from what I read in your comments, in the video game division of Digimon, it was struggling to find and set a base standard.
But recently (don't know how long though), they are now having a much more firm base to build their brand.
So, if Pokemon has always been a very casual children focused turn based JRPG,where does the video game equivalent to Digimon lie at? Does it want to be Action JRPG for teens and Up? or Rated M akin to the Platinum Games Action Genre?
@@vircle1863 Nothing justifies death threads over something stupid like the 4th bipedal cat overall, and the first bipedal cat starter.
“Who was behind the computer virus that was behind the computer virus?”
I am NO Digimon expert, but I do know that Digimon are fully sapient and self-motivated beings, and that the digital world can and will spoot out genuinely evil and malicious creatures with no direct input from a person.
Exactly humans aren’t exactly in control when Digimon are involved they have a whole society of their own
Yeah, the Virus in this case just represents a pice of code that got a bit borked.
Survive is maybe the biggest departure from this, being that Digimon were originally magical spirits in that timeline.
The normal lore not including survive.
Digimon are basically eldrich creatures from a higher plane of existence that saw 0 and 1 and kinda replaced their molecules with it
Digimon exists in another plane of existence that somehow blends with our dimension because of computers and internet. In the storyline of Digimon Tamers is said that early digimon were programmed by humans as an experiment on AIs but it’s implied that the digiworld existed long before and it was later inhabited by those AIs when the project was shout down. Those AIs just found shelter in the Digiworld, then they fed on data coming from our world through the net, using it to grow and evolve in digimon and other beings like digignomes.
Honestly Cyber Sleuth is pretty good even for new fans. It does a pretty decent job of giving the player an overview of the concept of digimon and is really competent gameplay wise. One of the real strengths of the game is that it plays to Digimon's strengths which have always been the plot and the characters, they are the reason many people enjoy the anime so much. So while Cyber Sleuth is more story heavy I would say it's probably more true to Digimon's success as a franchise.
It's also the origin of it's own continuity line, so you really don't need any prior knowledge (digimon has about 10 continuity lines at this point, probably more.)
its the best for pokemon fans who wants to try something new.
that game re ignited my love for this franchise.
people is just weird for pitching it as some persona ish game ,while its not even close.
The biggest problem is that she picked a sequel to start with. She went with Dawn, which starts a bit later in the story than Dusk, both of which are a sequel to Digimon World DS. And that one actually explains shit. Still maze and grind heavy, but it’s friendlier to beginners.
Exactly what I was thinking
Then MAYBE TELL THIS SHIT TO BEGINNERS
@@FranXiT but she never told anyone which digimon game she was going to play prior to playing it
so we could only tell her AFTER she playd it
@@FranXiT honestly, dawn and dusk is at most a very loose sequel of the first. I played both and still got confused in dusk. The world and the areas are completely different from the first game so there rly isn't an explaination on why the teams exists (unlike the first game). Some new mechanics are just not rly explained. To put it simply, dawn and dusk might as well be another game with similar to digimon world DS but with very bad directions
@@adam-dn3hi That was not the problem. Game franchises, most have a community that agrees on either 1 or 2 games that is the best for newcomers. The problem Jaiden had was that the Digifans didn't have an agreement on 1 game that was the best for newcomers, even after many attempts of research. In the end, she had to watch reviews and ratings instead of who had the most upvotes, which ended up being Cyber Sleuth (there was even a reactor who said this game wasn't the best for starters, but then I see comments who says it's good for starters. Like, make up your minds). You know what happened then.
Even if she did say what game she was going to play (she wouldn't as she wants to surprise her fans when she releases the animation), the digifans would still give her different recommendations for a starter game instead of just 1. I even noticed after watching many digifans react to her video, even then they all recommended different games. One guy said Cyber Sleuth, one guy said Digi World 1 or any ps1 game, one guy said Digi world DS (don't remember the name), one guy said Digi world 3 and two guys, well three now, said to watch the anime (It doesn't really help as she wants to play a game). Like, how is a newcomer supposed to know 🤷♂
"You mean to tell me the human beings weren't behind the computer virus. The computer virus was behind the computer virus."
Welcome to Digimon in a nutshell.
But I feel like at some point there has to be a person behind it. Or it's just layers of sentient troll machinery
@@YoBGS While no two Digimon series/games have any consistent shared canon, the one and only consistent thread among the franchise is that Digimon are not "created" by humans. They just sort of exist in tandem. Some might say Digimon as a whole _might_ be a byproduct of humanity as a whole, but there's no human being or group of human beings that specifically programmed Agumon or Gatomon. "Virus" is just a generic term that the Digimon franchise uses to classify "inherently evil/destructive Digimon".
@@YoBGS Usually in Digimon stories, humans might have gotten the ball rolling (often unintentionally), but the programs really went wild. None of the Digimon media can agree, but in stories in which Digimon were originally created by humans, they gained sentience and their own separate world all on their own. The humans might have made them, but they expanded and truly established themselves. But there are also tons of stories (like Cyber Sleuth) where the Digimon came into existence without the influence of humans. It’s all sort of confusing.
@@YoBGS In Digimon the Digital world was not created by humans (except maybe in Digimon Tamers?), but instead, the humans discovered the digital world that they can access using machines like computers (even before the machines, there were abnormal phenomenas of Digimon crossing to the human world by accident, molding human culture and creating legends in folklores around the world).
@@dragonbretheren And that's not always the case. As virus is just a typing, granted most evil Digimon have been virus type, but Gallantmon is a virus type too.
Here’s the funny thing. In the west everyone are like pokemon vs digimon, but in most Asia countries we just love both. I mean I grew up loving both. It always confuses me why on earth people need to fight over the two franchises, when in reality they are quite different.
Honestly it's mostly ignorance only because the names are similar after a while we weren't getting any games in the West and the anime became more niche as each series being so vastly different.
We had to BEG to get Cyber Sleuth over here for freaking Bandai to acknowledge that Digimon fans exist outside of Japan!
But for Pokemon it was a steady stream of content so I'm thinking that's the difference.
Digimon fans in the west don't really participate in the whole "Digimon vs Pokèmon" thing, we understand that the only thing they really share is a genre. It's like if Final Fantasy fans decided only Final Fantasy is allowed to be an RPG and everything that tries to be an RPG is just a ripoff and nobody should like it. It happens with every monster capturing RPG but Persona, it's always treated as "Pokèmon, but..." and is always compared to pokèmon until it gets bullied out of the west. Digimon fans tend to like both (myself included) and it really doesn't help that pokèmon fans typically don't know what they're talking about in any discussion involving other monster capturing rpgs; they tend to just look at it, see the most surface level similarities, and just immediately write it off as a worse clone of pokèmon.
@@anidiot192 Exactly, that’s why I am kind of sad that a lot of western pokemon fans don’t give digimon a chance. They assume digimon is copying pokemon even though they are two very different franchises with unique systems and features.
TRUE! In my country, both shows are on the same channel and aired back to back. And since Monster Rancher was also a thing, the two were different enough that at least I didn't compare them.
I think part of it is due to marketing. Like, did they really need to frankenstein 3 ovas into one movie? Well, the Mewtwo movie was successful so, there ya go! They really could've just dubbed those ovas separately.
Yeah sure every game is complained about, but I think you’re missing the point. In fallout for example, everyone agrees that 76 is a dumpster fire and shouldn’t be played even for torture. However, in the case of New Vegas, everyone agrees it’s one of the better ones, if not the best. The issue with digimon games is that no game really has a collective opinion on it. As Jaiden explained it’s always “yeah it’s fine but it has a ton of issues” it’s never “this is super amazing and it cured my depression” yunno?
With Digimon, I've always found it more personal? Like, in the anime, the human characters would have one Digimon partner to rely on, making sure to emphasis their bonds were what made the Digimon stronger. It's similar with the games, but it is still a monster taming game, so...
However, as much as your Digimon changes, back and forth, it's still the same mon. (Also, I like that Digimon can change back and forth because sometimes, I hate the final Pokemon evo. 😔)
Seriously!
Warning, this is a really big rant/analysis kind of thing so you don't have to read all of this at all if you don't wanna
It feels more personal because of topics being talked about that Pokemon rarely if NEVER touches, like TK and Matt being from a divorced home and not seeing each other often and TK having his arcs of how he processes it all and showing his own personal views with subtle things like how he didn't want the group to separate, and Izzy being adopted and how that affects his relationship with his parents, the topic of simply thinking and mentioning for a moment that the event that made all of the original kids Digidestined being something digimon related that the normal adults mistook as a terrorist attack.
The whole fact that in the original show, the crests and ultimate digivolutions were so closely intertwined with the characters actually growing as people and not just because their Digimon got to the required level or had a special item that made it happen. Digimon with how they approach the relationships of humans and their Digimon partners in different ways is always an interesting experience. At it's very core, it's meant to be a franchise about childhood and being a kid and having these personal and special moments. The crests being a symbol of a trait that the kids have in their personality whether they realize it being there or not and only activating when the kid in question comes to realize what they truly stand for or grow in their views as a person or simply stand by the view they had from the start in a difficult situation and be true to themselves, it just feels much more personal than having a special stone that makes a Pokemon go to an even farther stage than their natural final/adult stage with the mega evolutions like that of Charizard, Lucario and many more having.
It doesn't emphasize on the relationship of the Trainer and Pokemon, it's just a possible thing.
Another reason why it feels more personal is that the Digimon can speak and voice their own opinions as purposeful contrasts or compliments to the kids' personalities and in some shows'/generations of Digimon have their very own personality and may have disagreements with their Tamers like in well- Digimon Tamers, like Henry not wanting to fight or allow Terriermon to fight due to fear of it changing his friend and Terriermon wanting to fight to show what he's made of and to help the others and as well as the case of Impmon going on his own and running away from his tamers because he came to the conclusion that Humans are all selfish but later reflecting and learning they aren't all that way at all and learning as a person. Don't get me wrong, I love both franchises but at the end of the day, a Pokemon is still gonna go back into their Pokeball after a battle is done and can't truly choose, like those who didn't even want to be caught by a trainer and were still caught to later come to terms with how they are now a human's Pokemon. In Digimon it feels much more like the Tamers and their partners are at equal footing and need to work together to make the entire thing actually work fundementally, like in tamers again, it has to be a completely mutual agreement and you can't force a Digimon to do something they don't want to do. Though in theory you could, but it would probably end up in a dark digivolution. Aside from that, otherwise digivolution doesn't happen and your Digimon can dislike you and in some cases literally just run away.
My conclusion is that in a lot of cases, Digimon can feel more personal than Pokemon sometimes, and often than not, more frequently than Pokemon since it can tackle topics that usually aren't talked about. Pokemon can get me crying too, but personally it just happens more with Digimon, and I knew of Pokemon first! I just grew closer to Digimon as a franchise.
She started with a sequel so it makes sense she got confused. I feel like she should’ve definitely just gone with the Cyber Sleuth games because they’re by far my favorites. Yeah it’s more story driven but Digimon in general tends to be most of the time.
Yeah for a start off point she should’ve played cyber sleuth or watch a few beginning episodes of the anime first at least to understand Digimon before picking a game
@@nova_kris6366 digimon survive might be a good starting point too. its basically the same story as the first season of the anime, but more interactive than the game where you play as tai, as it allows you to make your own choices, instead of just reenacting the digidestineds choices. And her not being familiar with digimon in general might enhance the experience.
I watched a digifan react to this. I am purely an anime fan. Only played one Digimon game and barely remembered it. All I do remember is that it involved cards.
And, apparently, yeah... even the fan says this game is pretty bad. So much so that he remembers he played it. but doesn't remember the actual journey. and that Jaden was probably, unintentionally trolled.
Digimon definitely got most of its fans from the Anime I feel. While people did enjoy the Pokemon Anime, I think the games are what drew most people in and kept them coming back for the longest time, and Digimon games are always just...there lol. Hit or miss, constantly doing different things. If you wanna try and get into Digimon and see if you enjoy it, I really would just check out the anime.
I always saw Digimon, Pokemon, and Yugioh as a trinity. They all had an anime, a game, and a card game. Pokemon had the best games, Yugioh had the best card game, and Digimon had the best anime.
"The computer virus was behind the computer virus?"
Do NOT tell this man about the Yggdrasil lore!
I'm nervous and scared
@@YoBGS Basically. Central Computer runs a Digital world (there is a multiverse actually)
Central Computer finds out, Oh oh. We have trouble with saving space and corrupt data.
Time to Delete it all and start new. But some of his enforcers (called royal knights) turn against him and try to stop that. Depending on the Universe with or without Humans and their partners
That is teh MOST barebone version of the story
It's on the Digimon Wiki right?!?
@@YoBGS basically, the supercomputer is a god that may or may not predate the creation of computers due to its nature.
the problem with digimon games unlike pokemon games is that they dont stick with a formula or a gimick every game feels different not in a good way
and thus most of the time its just relearning old mechanics
That’s kinda what I gathered by the end. It’s like a completely different company makes each game or something
@@YoBGS I belive they're trying to set a formula now.
"World" is for the virtual pet stuff, "Story" is the 3v3 rpg format, and "survive" was meant to be a new Visual novel format, but for some reason people expected a serious TRPG...
Also cybesleuth is the best entry point because of the story focus, as you saw in this game, most digimon games don't explain anything. Also cyber sleuth has the same gameplay format as dawn, but good, so the fact she chose this over cybesleuth is hilarious.
@@vivil2533 Doesn't Digimon World Ds and Dawn/Dusk fits more into your category of "Story" games?
Pokemon occasionally does go outside the standard formula just that they are not considered the "mainstream games" of Pokemon.
Snap, Puzzle League, Gales of Darkness, Stadium and Coliseum, Ranger, Mystery Dungeon, Detective Pikachu, the Card Game, Pinball, that game that was a crossover with Dynasty Warriors, Arceus, and I feel I'm forgetting some others.
However many fans treat them as fun side games. For games where Pokemon is treated like special wrapping over a existing game like Puzzle and Pinball I understand that but for the others I enjoyed seeing new game ideas being tested.
The Main Steam games of Pokemon has that formula though sometimes adding (and subtracting) some new aspects per generation (the biggest impact and leap was the leap from gen 1 to gen 2 of new types and features that was enjoyed by most). I appreciate when something new is attempted and then learned from.
@@Another_Hibiki if i recal they are called digimon story Ds, and digimon story dawn/dusk in japan
25:22 no it doesn't. That's not the same one. Basically that's Lucemon, he has multiple forms, his base form is like this cute Angel kid, then this one, the one you are looking at, is his Fall down mode, because his name comes from Lucifer.
Infact there's an entire group of 7 digimon representing the 7 deadly sins called the seven great demon lord's and they are awesome
I definitely need to watch this show, that’s all I’ve learned from my comments
@@YoBGS here's a run down of the shows in order of release. Also JUST the shows so, no movies or OVAS in this list (with a, notable exception)
Digimon Adventure
Digimon Adventure 02
Digimon Tamers (the fan favorite)
Digimon Frontier
Digimon Savers (Data Squad in the USA)
Digimon Xros Wars (Digimon Fusion in the USA)
Digimon Xros Wars: Boy Hunters who leapt though time (Japanese only)
Digimon Universe: Applimon (Japanese Only)
Digimon Adventure TRI Movie series/TV show, looks there's two versions, the movie series version and the anime version, both basically the same but split up differently
Digimon Adventure 2020 reboot
Digimon Ghost Game
Digimon Adventure Last Kizuna (the movie that basically ends the Adventure series after all these years)
@@YoBGS You should watch Billiam's videos, he has ones on each season and are really good if you don't want to watch every episode
@@YoBGS Lucemon Fall Down mode is the censored English name the original japanese name is Satan mode playing more into his name coming from the fallen angel Lucifer Also Satan mode is a giant purple dragon holding a giant sphere of darkness (which in that form houses his mind which is in the physical form of a moth that if killed the dragon goes on a mindless rampage)
"You mean to tell me the human beings weren't behind the computer virus. The computer virus was behind the computer virus."
Dude, Digimon were not made by humans in most canon, the only exception to my knowledge being tamers. they just sprouted up at some point and then both worlds just influenced each other from that point on.
A human CAN be behind everything in a particular story, as was the case with Analogman in World 1, but lone digimon and other miscellaneous digital lifeforms can just as easily be the driving force behind a story.
This is, idk why but for some reason my brain has a hard time grasping the concept that digital stuff just always exists
@@YoBGS fair enough
@@YoBGS it's not that hard, it's essentially a computer program coming to life and eventually becoming a straight-up lifeform. We are speculated to have our origin in SPACE DUST so Digimon are free game for anything that they want.
6:16 The thing is that Cybersleuth is an entirely self contained world and story that does a good job of establishing what Digimon are. It is a great place for newcomers and plays to the strengths of Digimon which has always been story and characters.
Digimon, its not the human behind ther virus, its always the virus controlling the human, EVERY TIME
I was never a fan of the Digimon games, but the show was such a childhood classic. I’ve gone back and watched it again and still loved it. I would say Pokémon easily has the better games, but Digimon to me easily has the better show.
Digimon actually ages their characters & has more interesting stories in their anime. As a Pokemon fan, I definitely can agree with DIgimon having a better anime
The games thing isn't really a thing anymore especially when Cyber Sleuths battle system is more interesting then Pokemons. More akin to Persona.
@@jamalhartley5863 Yeah, I honestly have not played the Pokémon games or Digimon games in a good while, but back when I did, I definitely enjoyed Pokémon more game wise.
I never understand people who thinks Digimon talking and speaking is weird. I always prefer that than having my monsters say their names over and over. Imagine if your dog just constantly say “dog, dog, dog, DOG, DOG, dOggy, dOG DOG!” Lol
Most digimon game players probably grew up with Digimon World, the game lets you just figure things on your own, which is probably what the majority of digimon game fans does,they figure stuff on their own lol cause if their first game is DW1 it explains a lot, but despite all that, it was rewarding. But i agree when it comes to Dawn/Dusk, cause in DW1 there are no mazes, no random encounters, you can see enemies physically you can easily avoid them.
Do pokemon fans never played any non pokemon games? Cause it sounds like they don’t. Pokemon fans who expects digimon games to be like pokemon games will never not be funny lol
If you’re new to Digimon as a franchise, imo CyberSleuth and Hacker’s Memory are probably a good entry point. It gets you familiar with the monsters.
I love how they start you off in the normal world (Japan) and then slowly introduce things and teach you about Digimon because the main character doesn’t know what a Digimon is either!
Its a shame because a few of them are like that where as Dawn just throws you into the deep end and expects that you know what Digimon is.
Also adventure PSP if you come from the anime (probably a lot of people) or Re:Digitize if you come from the v-pets (probably no one)
@@franciscosanchez-op1dc I am old enough and lucky enough to have had the original tomodachi digimon during elementary school and thats what pulled me in originally. The raising and battling aspect pulled me in and the show kept me loving it!
I will admit though outside of the Digimon World and Cyber Sleuth games I never got into many other games due to the mix bag of never knowing what to expect and my PSP was entirely dedicated to the Monster Hunter franchise.
The charm of digimon games for me is the grinding. So the un-repel maze is to cater that charm. Not to mention, that lots of digivolution came from the same rookie/baby digimons. So the grinding is necessary so that you can unlocked other evolutions that has a requirements (atleast in the games i used to play).
And dont forget that Digimon is Digital Monster. Based on the name alone, A.I. is everything in this game. So thats why the mons can talk like human. And thats why the main boss and enemies not always be human and can be Digimon. Because the A.I. evolved to become an evil being. Just like human. Its different from Pokemon because Pokemon is supposed to be a 'real-life'. So the main enemies are humans. Thats what I think, having playing the 2 franchise side by side all my life.
As a Digimon fan let me try to clear up a few things.
For the 'who is behind the virus behind the virus', basically the story is that man made computer, computer made an entire alternate world with laws and rules that have no relation to the real one, and ran from there. So if you die int he digital world you follow those rules, you become data and die just like anything else.
Digimon as a series has no 1 formula, and that is one of the appeals, chances are some video game, anime, or card game will work at least a bit for you.
But Dawn was NOT where to start. It's a sequel and the entire gameplay IS grinding, that's the point.
OK to explain if anyone reads this, let me compare real quick. If you want a Charizard you get a Charmander, raise level 16 forCharmeleon, and then your still 15 and raise to 36 fpr Charizard.
if you want ShineGreymon you start with Koromon, go to Agumon from level up, you can't get to GeoGreymon because you need to be level 20 but are capped at 19, so go to Greymon at level 19, which makes you a level 1 Greymon, degenerate BACK into Agumon, back to level one but your level cap and stats are better so now you can level back up to go to GeoGreymon, RiseGreymon WOULD be next but you need to have something like 2500 EXP from Machine Digimon which you can't reasonably get yet so either just stay at the cap and don't get better until you get that Machine EXP or degenerate BACK into Agumon so you can evolve BACK into Geogreymon to get more stats while you wait for a good way to get the Machine EXP, then you get ShineGreymon. From there you need 270 ATK and 15,000 Holy EXP plus a level of 54 to FINALLY get ShineGreymon, but you will need to grind the Holy EXP and it's totally possible that level 54 will not get you that 270 ATK so grind past that, possibly degenerate and evolve AGAIN for more stats, and now you FINALLY have ShineGreymon...but just for the record may want to degenerate and evolve again for that last bit of stats you want.
That's a lot, it's grinding and planning and patience. But if you like that, if you like planning and watching those numbers work for you, it feels GOOD, satisfying. If you don't though...well good luck with that, maybe pick a different game.
Plus the end results are so worth it. Ya feel like a king with literal gods at your beck and call. Walking around with Susanomon, Omegamon, and Lucemon FM. It's like, I can end anything and anyone. It makes sense it's a lot to go through because the end results kinda speak for themselves. Especially once you have it, ya have it forever. Or you could make 2 and both have different stats.
The biggest diference of Digimon and Pokemon:
One is a GAME franchise with a anime on the side (and great manga)
Another is a ANIME franchise with games on the side and some comics
Yeah. Digimon suffers the anime/cartoon curse of animation-turned-game poor quality
Cyber Sleuth is literally perfect for beginners, it WAS my first game, it has it's own continuity, you don't NEED prior knowledge at all.
Karina Farek from Drawfee gave the best summary of Pokemon Evolutions vs Digimon Digivolutions:
"With Pokemon, it goes: Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard. Right?
With Digimon it goes: Charmander, Charizard, Charizard with a gun wearing pants, Gyarados, Professor Oak in BDSM wear, and then Ditto."
I wish I could heart this comment like 4 times. I love this
Digimon is an isekai series; it is not a video game world you log in. You can really die there. The digital world(s) exist as some kind of cyberspace transformed into parallel dimension.
The Digimon themselves (AI that exist in a transdimensional junk folder that has turned into something resembling an ecology) absorb data and reconfigure their files to digivolve and thus technically have branching evolution paths at almost every stage. It is not a biological process, so cat to angel is less about DNA and more about metaphors and "diet".
It is not a franchise helped by the fact that almost every series and several games exist in their own universe within a shared multiverse. Heck some of the anime series exist as fiction within other other series and games...and then they physically meet each other, albeit acknowledging they are from seperate universes.
Note: I am not a big Digimon fan, nor have I watch all the series. I have never played any of the games. I did watch some of the earlier series. The above stuff is like low hanging fruit for the fandom.
Fan of both and have been since I was a kid.
Megaseadramon is the Ultimate level of Betamon
Digimon games have issues for sure, and the anime although very nostalgic is not without issues, I do like it more than the Pokemon anime tho.
Digimon games are split into 2 types for the most part
1 - the RPG pokemon esque games where you have a team, grind and evolve to go through dungeons and progress the story
2 - The tamagochi kind, tamagochi is the origin of Digimon, or as they called them back then, v-pets, essencially tamagochi that could connect and battle, these games are world exploration, with pet raising and quests, you raise up the digimon, but like tamagochi they have limited livespans, need proper treatment, training, and everytime they die and reincarnate, they start off stronger so you can do more with them, this is the more niche genre of Digimon games and you either love it or don't care about it
on the side we have some fighting games, card games (modern digimon tcg is actually pretty fun), and the most recent, Digimon Survive, a visual novel with a little bit of RPG mixed in, it was advertised this way, yet most people thought it would be more RPG heavy, so they complained about it being 90% text when it came out.
Of all the games, like she mentioned, Cyber Sleuth is the most player friendly, and my personal favourite, the grinding is reasonable and mostly optional, there are plenty of Digimon to unlock, some require a bit more investment to unlock, but like I said, it's optional for the most part. The story is not super complicated, the presentation is nice, and it does something Pokemon has never done, despite the large quantity of Digimon available, most have a unique special attack with its own animation.
btw that digimon she showed and you said "THIS EVOLVES FROM A CAT" is called Lucemon, and it does not evolve from a cat, you are thinking of Angewomon :P
Yeah although the digivolution lines do not always make sense, it's one of the wonders of Digimon, most of them can evolve into multiple digimon, and it's fun to see what you unlock next.
For example in Cybersleuth, you can have multiple choices of evolution, let's say you don't like the one you got, you can de-evolve it backwards, and try to unlock a new one, and while that may sound annoying, to level it up again, by the end of the game you can have Digimon in your party that multiply the EXP you get from battles + equipment that increases exp earned in battle, like getting your new mons from lvl 1 to 50 in literally 5 minutes, and less than an hour for lvl99 2 party members
7:07 no, its not the same, in other Games you always have a few people complaining abaut any stupid things, but whit digimon there is not only that people, but also many people complaining for genuine and valid reasons
Digimon is a VERY important franchise for me. Cyber Sleuth is the first game of it I played tho and I was surprised because I know the reputation of the games. ITS GREAT. High B tier.
I'm a souls fan.
Hell yes there are people who despise those games.
A lot of things can be seen as both a negative and a positive depending on person.
It's hard.
The story is convoluted and hidden.
You can lose A LOT of progress in an instant.
Good or bad things? Both are valid.
Digimons digievolve instead of evolving. They are from the digital world and their forms are influenced by human culture (or the digimons are the ones that influenced human culture?).
"Digivolution" is a localization dub change just to further separate it from Pokémon. In Japan, it's simply "Evolution", just like Pokémon.
I tried to scan the comments to see if anyone has brought this up yet, but didn’t see it. So digimon do not have a set digivolution line. Their are digimon that more naturally evo into each other, agumon into greymon, but the games tend to change what can turn into what. Their are certain lines that tend to be together or have something similar so they are grouped together, but digimon are influenced by various forms of data and can change drastically based on what data they have. The tamagotchi like digivice’s that started the franchise and are still being made today, allow you to raise your digimon and what they turn into is influenced by how you raise them.
There's something very funny about seeing non-Digimon fans being confused over digimon, like "there should be a person behind the computer virus!" it's just so funny
For anyone curious, no, this is completely normal in the digital world. In fact, humans have very very little to do with digimon in general! There are some digimon that were created by humans originally (like salamon and labramon) but those are the minority. Digimon are completely sentient beings and have their own communities, and sometimes the core of the digiworld decides to fuck them over! This has happened multiple times!
@9:50. The M stands for Mega so it's MegaSeadramon. Your putting emphasis on the wrong part of the name as the dramon part is most important since it's a dramon Digimon aka Dragon. MegaSeaDRAmon. You should see his cousin WaruSeadramon lol.
The basic gist of Digimon is really simple. Digital monsters, their origins, purpose, and everything else depends on the anime and game. So long as you know Digital Monsters, that's it that's kinda all the homework you need to understand what is a Digimon.
I'm sorry but no. Not every franchise has the same problem. Digimon Games (especially the early ones) have a high barrier to entry and are not good games in general. Pokemon landed on a "good enough" formula since original gameboy ones and stuck to the formula iterating mostly on graphics and pokedex with zero changes to the game loop. Digimon games are an inconsistent mess. I love them. But with that love comes admittance of franchise flaws.
XD your complains over gatomon evolving to angewomon xD
To give you some context, in the franchise, any digimon can evolve into multiple forms depending on how they lived, their stats, environment, data that they absorbed, etc being that if the conditions are given, any digimon can evolve into any digimon
In gatomon's case, it can evolve into an angel woman because it has data of holy digimon in it being that it CAN evolve into holy digimons like angels and stuff, but it can also evolve into beasts, dragons etc depending on many factors, the same for many digimons like in jaiden's case where a white dinosaur evolved into a big worm / sea serpent / snake with dragon data and a metal thing on its head xd
It is a travesty that Plotmon/Salamon evolves into Diatrymon and Jazamon doesn't. Little Puppy becomes Big Metal Bird, but Small Metal Bird Dragon doesn't become Big Metal Bird.
what you dont understand is, they are digital. how a cat digivolve into an angel? its bcs all of them are data. the mon in digimon actually stand for file. like agumon is actually meant as agu.mon. and like a lot of file, u can alter it in any way you want. once you understand what digital monster rlly stands for, you'll get the whole digivolution.
"Crystal Eggs to evolve."
What is he talking about? The Armor Eggs???
You dont need them all the Time, they are just a Gimmic for a "special Evolution".
M. Seadramon or Mega Seadramon, is a Water Snake Monster on the Mega Level (4 Level.) And da dont F with them!
Honestly I may be mixing Digimon up with the Chinpokomon episode of South Park so I’ll take the L for that one
I hate to be that guy....but MetalSeadramon is his mega form, the one in the video is MegaSeadramon. Of course ya gotta be deep in the lore to know that on site.....which I unfortunately am...
@@jamalhartley5863 fixed it!
I was on my way to work and thought "wait.... did i write the right Name?" 😅
My favourite Monster catching franchise is Yo Kai Watch. Yes, the franchise get a bad reputation but the games are pretty good but it sucks to see it die in west. I will say the stories are much more better than modern Pokémon games
I don't know about that series. I watched epi 1 of the show one day and was just Confused. The entire story seemed exactly like one of the old cheap cookiecutter kids shows from a couple decades ago. I have No Clue what makes the series popular.
Do you have any recommendation for entering the series for someone that hated how 1-10 year old focused the show seemed? I watch series for kids all the time, its my main interest in tv, but something about how generic the show seemed hit me wrong, idk. =/
Oh, and Cyber Sleuth is a really good game. It's just repetitive
Digimon survive is a great vn as it says top vn but many people went into it not listening to the devs the hype clouded out the devs telling peope what the game even was and people made their own exspectations that were not even close to whqt the devs told people they were making
Just saying. In Pokemon you can literally start anywhere.
I started with Crystal then BW/B2W2 then gen 1 and 3 then the latest ones SwSh and Arceus.
Btw no guide books. And still doable. I got my pokemon Crystal around age 10 and did it in a month + "schooldays".
And looking at that game made me have a headache. Since it needs a guidebook to play. It would be better if theres maybe something like a quest marker or notifs on where to go next would be good. But doing grinding sub quest is a big nono.
Actually most communities agree on at least one good game to start, like with Pokemon, sure some people disagree and complain but the majority of people would agree Fire Red is a good game go start, being Kanto, having classic graphics and being easy to play even for noobs. Digimon fans just suffer lmao
Crystal egg points needed to digivolve? WTF are you talking about?
Yeah I can’t go back and fix it now but I was thinking of something *completely* different
It's MSeadramon because it's actual name is MegaSeadramon. But I guess the game doesn't even give itself enough characters for the actual digimon names.
I only noticed how much of a maze the game was. It was really awesome when I played it.
I agree that this is just kind've any franchise a newcomer is trying to get into. No one really ever agrees where to start because they are all different and unique in their own way. And as an avid pokemon fan and player people are DEFINITELY always complaining about any gen
The issue with this is that it's all about the TYPE of complaining. Jaiden on the video says it pretty well when she says "it's not angry complaining either", like, there's a difference between a fandom going into complaining wars after every change, and a franchise where people who try to recommend it are like "yeah I recommend this, buuuut...", which is what happens with like Digimon and Sonic and the like. The first type is good and healthy, the second type is a fandon that has been battered repeatedly and really needs an intervention.
For the record: if you want to start digimon, pick cyber sleuth, it's not as story heavy as jaiden thought and it is by far the best introduction, not even necessarily because of quality, but just because it is easy to comprehend how it is supposed to work.
And this brings me to the issues with the franchise. There's 2 big ones:
1-Lack of Consistency. Every other digimon game is COMPLETELY different from the rest. Sometimes it doesn't even seem liie the same game company much less the same franchise. It's like if Mario games instead of having a core franchise of platformers with spinoffs to boot, it was just the spinoffs, like after super mario 1 came the olympics followed by kart and right next mario galaxy with 0 other games inbetween to let you understand what the hell it's supposed to even work. And most of them, specially the ones that are sequels story wise (like dawn here) do not explain any part of the world or story either, they expect you to know beforehand what is going on, that's why dawn starts you at the end of a tournament without any intro. And trust me, it can get very weird very fast.
2-Complexity. Jaiden described digimon world as being like Tamagotchi... That's not coincidental. Digimon World 1, which is the first digimon game, started as a fusion of tamagotchi with the JRPG formula. That was the inspiration. And if you know your JRPGs and Tamagotchi you know both of those things are VERY complex. And most digimon games are even more complex than that, even mechanically, the story is anoyher mindfuck altogether. Some of the games (cyber sleuth specially) simplified a bit and at least gave you a good intro before throwing you at the insanely complex world, but most digimon games just expect you to be good at the genre before you start, they do not have a tutorial worth a damn, the closest thing they have only introduces the new mechanics. And they can be very obtuse.
So yeah... It's not the same kind of complaining as pokemon. The digimon franchise knows some real pain. But it is oretty good at times. Just avoid the ds games, those are trash, and start with cybrr sleuth, trust me, you don't want to start with the others right of the bat.
13:32 no, not even close. It isn't a game world. In the story, the Digital World is literally an entire separate world they are in. So yes, if they die, they die for real. Because it isn't a game they are in.
21:17 to even ask this question shows a lack of understanding of what Digimon is. They still aren't just in a computer. No human created the digital world or Digimon, never mind the virus.
I kinda don't get why some people get so caught up with the evolution thing. Yeah, it's off-putting at first, but the thing is that digimon don't really have evolution "lines", they're trees. An Agumon could become a Greymon, a Tyrannomon or whatever reptile adult level mon. It keeps things exciting and it makes it feel like how you decide to grind your mons actually matters bc you can get a dif one depending on stats (and depending on the game you play). Besides, if digivolutions would always make intuitive sense, they'd be too similar to pokemon and pokemon fans would still be complaining.
I'm just now realizing how weird some of the complaints that pokemon fans have about digimon are. "It's a Pokemon clone!" "It's too different and weird!". Lmao, make up your mind.
Anyway, it sounds like I'm angry and I didn't enjoy the video, but I did. I just had one response to one of your criticisms about Digimon
14:39 Yes. See you got it wrong. The Digital world isn't an mmo. The Digital World is The Matrix.
Difference between digimon and pokemon is, Digimon isn't afraid to go serious 😂
Ehem... Digimon Tamers 😂
I'd just say, Digimon is a better show just because of that bits of seriousness and better progress... I mean, COME ON, TAICHI AND THE OTHERS ACTUALLY GREW UP 😂
Pokemon is a much better game Because its world is more vibrant and more welcoming while its anime... it has no progress... Ash stayed 10 since the beginning of time. I won't mind watching the pokemon anime but just, Don't expect me to pay that much attention to it 😂
Ummmm...just as there is gen1 with Pokémon, there is gen1 with Digimon. The problem is that the games don't mirror the show. Digimon has long tried to go in a different direction but have come short many times. I believe she should've started with Cyber Sleuth.
Also, Lucemon does not evolve from a cat.
Please, if you don't know something KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.
The amount of disrespect was disgusting dude.
Growing up, most of the kids I knew were the "Digimon > Pokemon" kind of kids, me included.
That said, everyone unanimously agreed that: 1) Digimon anime > Pokemon anime. 2) Digimon games are generally trash. 3) Pokemon games are generally good.
A lot of kids preferred Digimon but NEVER because of their games.
While its true that there are complaints about every games in every franchise, good or bad, this doesnt change the fact that Digimon games ARE trash.
As a digimon fan, let me explain a few things:
-First off, the choice of game. Yes, Jaiden chose wrong. Mainly because Digimon Dawn/Dusk is a SEQUEL to digimon world DS. And yes, that one was also grindy and convoluted, but Dawn/Dusk being, once again an effing SEQUEL turns it up to eleven. And of course it doesn't tutorialize nor does it explain the setting; it assumes you've already played the game it's a SEQUEL for.
-"Is it like SAO? If you die in the game do you die for real?" No, there is no game. Dhe digital world is an straight-up alternate dimension, connected to the human world through it's cyber-space. So all the digimon tamers are physically in the digital world and could indeed very easily be killed.
-" the computer virus that was behind the computer virus?" Indeed it was. And it's not that much of a twist, since digimon is basically the "IA gainig sentience" turned to the nth degree. Just so you can imagine, it all started with a computer running a wild life simmulation for fictional species, IA rampancy kicks in and by the time you realize the simmulation isn't being hosted in the computer any longer, instead it has constructed it's own parallel dymension to exist in, those hypothetical creatures have evolved (In the darwinian sense, not digivolution) into monsters called digimon that follow natural rules completely alien to the world you know and some of which couid even destroy the world itself; and the computer hosting and running things has trancended into godhood. So yeah, a computer virus gaining sentience, turning into a digimon and messing things up is npt really a surprise.
Digimon is a strange case, it's a franchise that for the longest time didn't have a set formula. This was both good and bad as it meant anyone can find something to enjoy, but also lack of consistency hurts the franchise.
Digimon CAN be fun, very much so. The problem is Jaiden picked THE WORST game to start with, dawn and dusk are not that good in many ways and dawn is WORSE than dusk since dawn doesn't have a tutorial segment to introduce you to things, dusk DOES have a tutorial. Do you see the issue? She really should have gone for dusk or cyber sleuth, or even hackers memory.
Cybersleuth and its sequel are THE BEST starting game to get into Digimon as they take what works from dawn and dusk and get rid of most of the bad. Those games are essentially the formula Digimon will most likely use as its main one from now on(tho there will be alternatives, like survive which is 60% visual novel, and a damn good visual novel at that)
There are several things I'd like to say but I'll refrain from most to keep just the small thing that somehow really got me
1. Your issue with Digimon evolution is partially answered by yourself when said they were computer programs. To clarify, they aren't necessarily programs but they are Data based Creatures/Digital Lifeforms. This means they are naturally affected by data and energy. Since the data they could effectively come to obtain can vary wildly so to can what they turn into thus you end up something like Cat becoming Angel that turns into a Dragon or Dinosaur turning into Cyborg version of itself only to then become a knight. Not of it is set in stone and can have it's own context behind it.
2. the Digimon she showed in a framed portrait at the end with the Mix of Angel and Demon wings is Lucemon and doesn't evolve from what your thinking of. In fact Lucemon is interesting example as he actually evolves from a lower version of himself. It works like this, Lucemon becomes Lucemon Falldown Mode(The one in the video) which can go further in to Lucemon Shadow Lord/Satan Mode and Lucemon Larva.
1. When it comes to a fandom being able to recommend a game I think Pokemon has a leg up on what Jaiden seems to have experienced looking for a good Digimon game. "Hey, I wanna start getting into Pokemon games, any recommendations?" right off the bat you will have an overwhelming swell of "Heart Gold or Soul Silver" being recommended.
2. Even Digitubers who have watched this said that this was very much the wrong game for a beginner, and recommended a few in their videos that have actual tutorials in them.
3. Screw games where side quests aren't optional and gatekeep story progression.
Mind you this doesn't include missions where a person with important plot progression asks for a favor before giving you info/important item. eg: Three dog wanting you to repair a communications dish before helping you progress in finding your father. As opposed to Saints Row 2 where you have to do multiple pointless side activities to get to story progression.
Digimon aren't created by people, the virus Digimon aren't created by people, they just exist they are born from Digi-eggs.
Also Digivulution isn't as straight forward as you implied, every Digimon can turn into 2-8 different Digimon based on other factors.
Aka if you don't understand the basics of Digimon any game you play isn't going to make sense. The discourse between the fans is because there are three different types of Digimon games some are closer to visual novels, other are like the one in Jaiden's video and my favorites are raising your Digimon to fight in an auto battler situation but all are very different from Pokemon because their actually based on Tamagachi not Pokemon as it was literally made as Tamagachi for boy's.
I hope I could explain some misunderstandings for you
Personally i didn’t even get into the divining games but I loved the anime an unhealthy amount
15:15 arceus does speak in the movies soemtimes
Also, in Legends: Arceus. Go figure.
I think most psychic type legends can speak with telepathy
I left a comment on Jaidens video as well, but let's take part in conversation here since it is here!
I've played pretty much *every* Digimon game (outside of the console exclusives after PS2) under the sun and pretty much only one I've enjoyed, as mentioned by Jaiden in the video, is Cyber Sleuth. Rather than Persona, it reminds me more of Pokémon XD/Colosseum, has some good writing moments and fun characters and was overall an ok time.
But probably the most time I've spent in is the Digimon World for PSX and just as it was mentioned, it is this weird... Tamagotchi + RPG... thing. I was never able to beat it since the game was REALLY friggin' hard if you did not know exactly what you were doing. I've probably spent hundreds of hours on that as kid because I remember really liking the first season of Digimon anime as a kid and were determined to get as far as I could. (And Tamagotchis were still kinda a thing back then, so that helped.)
Speedruns of DW1 are actually kinda fun. They were literally the only time I actually saw the ending of the game. lol
The digital world in Digimon is whack. They may have started from computers, but the world developed into it's own thing like a hyper advanced learning computer. It is it's own dang planet made of hyper sentient code. The code can literally dissolve an irl person or object to binary code, control people and other Digimon, and Digimon operate on Tamagotchi logic where they just rebirth when they die unless their cores are destroyed. Cores are basically their soul. Digimon are both physically real in the human world and in their own world, as much as humans can become code. It is more dimensional travel than restricted to computers most of the time. The interpretation does vary between season of anime or video game, but generally an Agumon is both a file and an organism.
13:27 it depends, but as far as i know, if you were transporte to the digital World, then yes, you die for real, and there probably isn't even a corpse to find on the human World.
15:03 right, most digimons are sentient, inteligent, capable of speech, emotions and anything a human can do plus the power to destroy Worlds in some cases.
16:50 not even one of those was right.
21:06 digimons can act, change, evolve and take decisions on their own. Depending on the unirversr humas didn't even created digimons, instead the digimons existed on another dimension and the rise of tecnology only connected the two Worlds.
25:21 some evolutions don't make any sense, others make a lot of sense, others only make sense if you know the lore, but that specific digimon dosn't evolves from a Cat but from a smaller angel, wich gets corruped and half turns into a demon.
26:12 sorry, but have you seen digimon adventure tri? or digimon universe? Or digimon adventure 2020? They are so bad, borderline unwachable.
I separate each sentence a lot in the hopes that it dosn´t look that heavy to read
so Digimon in a nutshell
All info in the computers became a digital world, the internet exanded it even more, that info got born into Digimon, so their forms represent that concept that was put in the net
For Tailmon, cats are seen as holy in egyptian myth, that got mixed with some biblical text with the angels depiction and rings, so the ring on Tailmon is a holy ring, then cause there is no simple jump to deity in egyptian myth from a cat, it can go into another holy race, angels
also, they all have diverging evolution lines, some more complex than others in how to and Tailmon can become Bastetmon... through a bit more effort
edit: Mewtwo talks, through Telepathy, and so does Arceus by the way
I mean Arceus is littreal pokemon GOD so i think it could talk if needed also to any who watched Arceus and the jewel of life "JUDGEMENT"
I will say in regards to Digimon talking is that it only feels weird if you expect them to be like Pokémon. Pokémon are animals (pets) while most Digimon are basically people (friends in case of your partners).
If you apply the Pokémon/Trainer dynamic to something that acts and talks like a person it makes the whole owning and forcing another living being to fight for your amusement thing a tad uncomfortable. Digimon don't have that dynamic with their tamers.
What dynamic Digimon do have varies between the different seasons and games. That can be a pro or a con depending on how you look at it (personally I prefer that Digimon can use and ignore lore/canon however it wants to tell the current story but if you're trying to get a grip of Digimon as a whole it's not exactly helpful). I'm sure there's some Digimon media out there that uses a similar monster/trainer dynamic to Pokémon but the closest I can think of was only done with a villain (he didn't fully comprehend that Digimon were real so felt no remorse making them hurt each other).
I think a better comparison in Pokémon terms would be mystery dungeon. In mystery dungeon there are no people so Pokémon become equivalent to people. You and your partner are equals who share a goal and need to compromise. Digimon usually work the same way in the Digital World. The only real difference is that when a human gets sent to the Digital World they don't also turn into a Digimon (except for that one season).
If you go in expecting something closer to mystery dungeon (at least where the partner dynamic is concerned) it might feel more accessible. That said I started with Digimon first so I don't know what it's like viewing it with Pokémon expectations.
To explain the computer virus thing, the digital world is a parallel universe to real world that existed before computers. The internet exist because it uses the data from the digital world. So computer exist because the digital world and not the other way round. So yes the computer virus was created by a computer virus makes perfect sense.
MSeadramon= Mega Seadramon
Dude what do you mean that's not how it works go watch the original animations hell go watch the second series it's always the Evil Digimon.
As a Transformers fan, I love the Unicron Trilogy more than G1 or Beast Wars. EVERYONE has different opinions on their favorite series. Lol.
I totally agree that everybody has a nitpick about their fandom.
Mine is a controversial one about Pokemon Diamond and Pearl. I hated it for the longest time because of nit picky reasons like “If you don’t pick Chimchar, your only fire type was Ponyta till you beat the game” or “In order to transfer pokemon from previous games you were limited to 6 every 24 hrs…”. Though from what I understand it was very beloved by many people, especially Platinum for one of my friends who said it was their first pokemon game.
Arceus *Can* talk tho. He.... Demands... JUSTICE!
I mean, the Cybersleuth games and the World Re:Digitize continuity of games have actually been good
The SAO thing.......Depends on the continuity and if your body and soul are sent to the Digital World or Digimons go to the Human world.....so yeah, there is a risk of dying....and don't forget that digimon are fully sapient...and sometimes they can have Blue and Orange moralities.
I would say, if you want to start with an easy digimon game, that you will enjoy if you like Pokemon......yeah, i would say Cybersleuth. Because we are talking about your entry into franchise, not THE BEST GAME!, it is a really good entry.....not the really old ones that didn't really know what they were doing.
Its an easy entry and an RPG. The only annoying thing is the ABI requirement for Digievolution. Its basically pokemon with an actual interesting story. And no, it doesnt really feel like persona.
I played Hacker's Memories and i loved it, i am still getting all the digimon (Lucemon Satan Mode was a bitch and a half to get)
On the Question of how to unlock the story, you have a set of missions, from side story to the actual missions you have to do to progress the story (those are a bit bland, ngl.) But the Eden dungeons are pretty straightforward, there is a minimap and you have several Hacker abilities that make traversal easier.
You can grind in this game, if you want, but it is much easier when you have an Ultimate Level neutral digimon and either 2 Platinum Sukamon, which double the amount of experience all the mons get, or 2 Platinum Numemon, which quadruple the EXP.
Meanwhile you have several isles in the Digilab where your digimon gain experience(over time) and can train specific stats to access different digievolutions, craft items, or Investigate for side missions which either dont really do much, or after passing them you get an item needed for a specific Digievolution (I have all the Royal Knights except Magnamon, because the darn mission, in which you get the digieggs of Miracle and Destiny, won't freaking appear).
After Cybersleuth, if you want to experience what Pure OG Digimon is like, you could play the Digimon Next Order.....and experience what raising a Digimon is first hand...jsyk the digimon are on a timer and they die of old age.......Have fun with that
"Who was behind the Virus" Answer: A Virus Type digimon who decided he wanted to either destroy the digital world, rule it, destroy the digital world or destroy the Human world. Yes, digimons can be antagonists and decide they want to be evil dicks.....sometimes out of Megalomania or simply because they want to be evil.
I almost feel like I should make a video explaining Digimon just for you to watch.
You asked about the speedrun record for Digimon World Dawn and that currently sits at just under 4 hours. Only 1 person has attempted it
With it's sister game, Digimon World Dusk, sitting at just over 4 hours. 3 people have attempted that one though
I love Digimon. I prefer the show to the games, but I do play some of the games. I never played this game and probably never will.
Look, the cat evolving into a angel is completely understandable. Because it doesn't have to make sense.
The nephew of a friend recently asked me why Digimon exists because it was obviously a copy of Pokemon. But he is 9, he just doesnt know better.
I grew up in the 90s in Germany. Digimon and Pokemon were both a thing, I remember watching the anime and that I had sticker albums of both. I dont know what happened, but after some time Digimon was just pushed into the background by Pokemon, even though they are quite different when you look at them closer. Now I am so used to the Pokemon games, when I want to start a Digimon game, I get overwhelmed by the "evolution" possibilities because there is no 1 evolves into 2 and then 3. Instead it is (apart from exceptions) this 1 can evolve into one of these 10 and I am simply used to 2 decades of the Pokemon concept. My copy of Digimon World next order is still waiting for me to continue exploring.
I grew up on the various Digimon anime so I wanted to personally played Dawn/Dusk few years ago and will say it was tedious. The side quest are indeed obnoxious and the maps are labyrinth. And while there are some cool feats like MOVING THE MAP TO SEE WHERE YOUR GOING BUT--it never tells you that.
I thought I liked it at first cause it was just challenging enough to be fun more than Pokémon but charm wore off and it got tiring but I lowkey would come back to game cause it my first exposure to some cool concepts like a multi-line evolution chart. And at the time I didn't find other games with concepts executed better than dawn/disk till cyber sleuth.
Let's hope she'll actually get to Cyber Sleuth eventually.
It's a great series and the closest to Pokémon in terms of gameplay.
Who knows where she heard it was Persona 5-esque.
Cyber Sleuth is amazing! But the closest Digimon has to Pokemon in my opinion is Digimon World 3. It has Gym Battles, Evil Organization trying to take over/change the world, and 1v1 turn based combat with party mechanics identical to Pokemon.
Probably the graphics, art style, and narration
To answer your question when people go to the Digital World they are physically there so injury’s are real in that sense
That Angela Anaconda thing is a true story. The Digimon movie opened with an Angela Anaconda short in theaters.
Arceus can talk telepathically tho. As can a lot of Pokemon. And Meowth also talks but verbally. Digimon don't even talk all the time, either. But many do, especially the partner ones.
Digimon are as sentient as they get. Some are even more inteligent then humans.
'You only need one MON in your life?' Why not both my dude?
The anime is good but the games except the multiplayer in one of the of the ps2 and cybersleuth
Yeeeeeaaaah Cyber Sleuth is the go to game if you want to start out, while there are others, that one is the more accessible one.
NGL, Pokemon > Digimon on video games, however Digimon > Pokemon in the anime. NGL
Yeah that game horrible.
ruclips.net/video/2R6jkYVeP-s/видео.html here is one of the complain about digimon world dawn/dusk, it is a 4 years old video btw
Haha I can't wait to check it out!
MSeadramon stands for MegaSeadramon
You got me curious about what the world record was. I googled it. There's only one run on the leaderboard and it's just under 4 hours.
God bless that person.
I’ve seen some of the anime, I’ve played cyber sluth and hackers memory and I consider myself a digimon fan. Also the fact that digimon evolution is not so straight forward is what makes it so unique and fun. Not knowing what it can turn into is appealing at least to me.
well they are DIGITAL monsters, why shouldn't they have a vast amount of flexibility on their ability to transform?
@@g.r.4459 It mostly depends on their human partners influence since Digimon are the other half of their human's soul/their other self. Human emotions, feelings, emotional states,belief systems greatly affect how they evolve. Like when Takato got angry and had killing intent on Beelzebumon he caused Guilmon to turn into Megidramon.
I agree it's weird but the Digimon designs most of them are better
As someone who played this game (Dusk version for me because I too am an edgy B##ch) the game is great the only problem is how pooly thought out the story is and how needlessly complicated the world maps are! If they would've just did a pokemon style open area or even a legacy of Goku style level or hell a final fantasy style world map for each level things would've been great!
Why not react to pokemon the darkest game and the mario rithym game
From looking around it seems people enjoy the show (which more people like than Pokemon's) more than the games. It seems it did the show better than the Digimon games
to answer the question about the digiworld it's an whole another planet. Death is the end but some point in the show or at least not the first season, Digimon get downloaded into your device and can get uploaded when defeated. (at least from what I found/remember)
21:00 Humans basically never really had any interaction with the Digiworld, basically no one knew the world exisited until the digital devices fell to people and took them to the digial world
I like some of the digimon games more than pokemon, but digimon games are so hit or miss :/
That's kinda what I figured. Like as a kid I remembered enjoying the show I just didn't see it much, but it was cool monsters and computers and that's all I needed
Digimon has some really good games, but I also think nostalgia plays a huge part. As a child you have the patience to explore more and make errors, but as an adult you get more impatient and want to make progress faster. I am an anime fan, but I also LOVE Digimon World 1 and Digimon World 3. I think Digimon Story Cybersleuth is pretty good, and I am waiting for Digimon World Next Order to come out on the Switch so I can finally play it (it is similar to Digimon World 1).
Digimon games are different from Pokèmon in a lot of ways though, and you always have to read about what genre the game is, or try it out to see if it is a fit for you. I know a lot of people don't like the first digimon game because it is similar to raising tamagotchi, because Digimon originally started out as a tamagotchi (V-pet) before the anime, so it gets frustrating to having to feed them, take them to the toilet, and training them, only to have a certain amount of time before they die of old age. But it also makes it more challenging, and really fun once you get the hang of it.
I think a Pokèmon fan should maybe have started with Digimon World 3 though. It is pretty similar to a lot of Pokèmon games, and the only complaint for me is that leveling up takes a really long time once you start getting higher level Digimon.
Quick lore tips to understand digimon in a nutshell
1. Digimon as the name implies are digital monsters
2. Digimon have rank lvls not number lvls
Where Pokémon can lvl 1-100 digimon start from a digiegg to baby,training lvl,rookie,champion,ultimate,then finally mega
Digimon takes place in a world where people and digimon use the multiverse theory where the digimon live in the digital world which is linked to the World Wide Web in the human world and select few kids get digivices and a partner digimon to help solve conflicts in both so simply 2 worlds 1 story
3. Theirs are different forms of digivolution
DNA digivolve from anime season 2,
Hybrid digivolve from season 3 digimon tamers,
Burst mode from digimon data squad,
Spirit digivolve from digimon frontier,
And finally digifuse from digimon fusion/digimon hunters,
4.Digimon have types but only 3
1.data type
2.virus type
3.vaccine type
5. They’re will be metal variants in a digimon evolution line depending on which evolution tree you’re going down
should have played digi world 3 or 1 (where u better remember where the toilettes are so ur digimon can go poop! Never the player, allways the digimon!)
But... aren't they programs? Like Why do robots need to relieve themselves?!
@@YoBGS so that when u f up ur stats and get crapmon it can eat it, literal free food^^
@@YoBGS 1. Not robots, digital lifeforms,
2. Digimon stem from TAMAGOTCHI, their original conception is as Tamagotchi for boys, they living breathing creatures and NOT robots(only some Digimon possess robotic bodies)