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"Star Wars: The Last Jedi" SPOILER Movie REVIEW and DISCUSSION!!
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2017
- Eric Shane Calvin Melanie and Aaron discuss with spoilers Star Wars The Last Jedi 2017 Episode 8
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Actually, when Kylo started choking Hux in the throne room, the conversation they had was;
Kylo - "The Supreme Leader is Dead!"
Hux - "Long live the Supreme Leader!"
It was a bit hard to make out since Kylo was shouting and Hux was choking, but it's a play on the old saying "The King is dead, long live the King!", which is usually said when one monarch dies and their heir rises to take their place.
Wolf6120 thanks I was wondering about that
Lmao and it was Hilarious!
It was a weird phrase for a star wars movie like "godspeed" which Haldo said. Everything was weird and out of place in this movie. Rian Johnson had no idea what he was doing. Terrible star wars movie and most important ... terrible movie.
Wolf6120 such an EPIC scene, especially with the music playing!!!!
I'm dead Star Wars has always had Shakespearean phrases and words used in it. Yeah I’m replying to a months old comment cause you delusional.
Thought I was the only one that noticed the books on the falcon. Yoda was quietly covering for her from Luke.
Yoda the real MVP 🤘🏼
I saw it and I saw the boy at the end attracting the broom but since my brother didn't react I thought I was just crazy
Saw it
Titaniumtomato yeah nobody reacted to the kid "force" it too him and I thought maybe I just imagined it
The CVR123 i tjought it he tipped it with his foot maybe because no one else reacted to him moving it either so i wasnt sure 😂
That little kid in the final shot needed to make the "voom" sound that we've all made when playing with any stick like object as a lightsaber.
Doug Cowell so true
In steps Anakin’s Ghost, ignites Lightsaber..>:•D
Rey still has both hands 0/10
Snoke doesn't have a lot of things anymore
William Beasley I was so surprised Disney showed that 😂 he got cut in half with his arms still on his chair with his guards being beheaded and shit 😂 I was surprised but happu
I know it's been almost a year, but I just want you to know that your comment made my day:)
*Rey loses a hand* ItS a C0pY
@@d.corbin8817 I know it's been 4 months since you posted this comment but I agree
"The supreme leader is dead."
"All hail the supreme leader."
Why do people still think Rey and Kylo Ren are siblings? I just don't understand lmao
Lily Fire I have absolutely no idea XD
Cause in the expanded universe.(not canon now) Han and Leia had twins. One became a sith and the other became a jedi.
So in some way, fans hoped for that plot point.
If it were true, and Kylo Ren knew about it he would have told her, no doubt. I hope her parents ARE just nobodies. I mean Star wars is a sci fi franchise not a matchmaking game.
I don't think they are but I think it would make sense. You see Luke briefly talk to Leia in the movie. So I think people are assuming that that they are also siblings cause they can talk using the force. But also Snoke says that he was allowing them to talk. Maybe people missed that part or didn't understand it.
Lily Fire I thought they were until Snoke said he was the one that made the breach between the two. I still think she's a Skywalker because these 3 Trilogies are supposed to be about the Skywalkers so unless this Trilogy is actually about Kylo Ren (lol) I think she's probably a Skywalker.
I really liked that line that Luke had “the dark side, you didn’t even try to resist it”
That is old Jedi...wrong way...Everyone have dark and light side inside, new Jedi should learn to balance that like Rey did.(in past Windu was Jedi who can use some of dark side of force)..New Jedi must be in first good person. Compassion, Love, Hope and Peace.
It was more like “You went straight to the dark, and you didn’t even try to stop yourself”
"You went straight to the dark."
...one movie later...
Dark Rey with double red saber
Made no sense honestly. Like how was she to know when he didnt tell her?
@@jonathanfletcher6509 Luke was surprised to see how easily and strongly connected to the dark she was *naturally* . She went *straight* to the dark.
I don't understand why people think that any force-wielder has to be related to somebody from the old films
The force doesn't just run through 2 families in the entire galaxy, you know.
bc this is the skywalker saga, if they said this was a new saga about new shit that would be fine, but this doesnt due to other 6 movies justice, and even pushing the shitty small rebellion reborn crap bs slightly more powerful first order crap will the sames stylistic design as the ot in both the sequel films is boring and not the star wars way, so cliche, there was a very cheesy lovvy dubby part with middle arc with rose/finn. this rebellion vs first order just makes the episode 4 and 6 worthless and everything is even more compacted and isolated and boring than the grand empire vs larger alliance etc. This is crap, and lazy world building and story building for the grand purpose. They make star wars 2 years instead of 3 and there is no communication between each movie they make up bs as they go, there needs to be an outline like george has for the first 2 trilogies.
You know exactly why people expected Rey to be linked to a powerful linage. Disney could have nipped that theory or expectation in the bud in the first movie but they didn't. Because the theories and fan discussion is profitable.
TheKillaShow or they cleverly played with our expectations
Gumbythehorse2 it's not really that clever if people end up hating it
Gumbythehorse2 hahahahaha nothing is clever about saying. "You know all that speculation of who they are.? Theyre actually just no one." Wow. How creative... totally not doing that just so you can rise another random nobody up for the next trilogy... which is fine. Anakin was a nobody. But like. This is 100% sacrificing current story for future planning. This universe will without a doubt be turned into fast and furious/ transformers. Mindless turn your brain off watch the action who cares about depth and lore. Star wars isnt an immersive world anymore just a setting.
Seriously, people still want to debate Rey's parents? Kylo sees it in Rey's past, he confronts her denial and she reacts because she knows its true. It's an important narrative choice that makes her into someone rising to become a hero and not just some bloodline/destiny/chosen one; the way Luke was originally. They reinforce it with the child at the end that the force is not just a Jedi or Skywalker thing anymore. The movie thematically is very much about breaking away from the past.
Kaleiohu Lee great comment
The movie is about shitting on what Star wars is. It's not about Battles nor Republic and rebels. It's about a family, it's about jedis, siths, the force, it's a "soap opera about a family" Georges Lucas.
If you only look on the surface it's an average movie with battles, humour,...
but if you are a star wars fan and you know the stories and the spirit of star wars you can't like this bullshit. None of the old characters were true to themselves.
+yannick930 So you wanted stale boring characters who can't change over the years? I just don't get why people try to act like characters like Luke or Aang (Last Airbender) need to be perfect and can't develop faults in them. Luke was scared of the dark side and saw the Jedi as surperior, Aang tried so hard to grant the airbenders a future that he put too much pressure on his own son. It happens.
And you should stop watching Blind Wave immediatly. They are the biggest Star Wars fans I know and guess what: They loved this movie.
I don't give a f** if they loved it, i have a brain and i can see bullshit. Specially when i know about the movies.
When they're wright i praise them (games of thrones) but i strongly disagree here.
Why should i stop watching ? What happens to different opinion ?
People aren't ships, we can debate and disagree on some points.
+yannick930 because you don't act like it is just your opinion. You are talking about the one truth and how everyone else is stupid for believing otherwise...And then you act like it is just an opinion? If thats the case please try to articulate your opinion better.
I am a Star Wars fan and I really love this movie. Is it perfect? No. Are you stupid for disagreeing with me? Of course not. So don't try to legimitate your opinion by saying that everyone else is stupid for thinking differently.
Her parents are nobodies and I love it. Besides she said it, not Kylo. She's the first one to say "they were nobodies"
I just wish Disney had trusted that idea. Instead they panicked and brought back Palpatine.
Kylo and Rey are NOT siblings. Rian, Mark & co have said that it's a romantic connection between Reylo. Rey Solo was debunked so many times. It's not happening.
The all point og Rey's parentage is to shows that SHE matters. Not her parents. They're nobody's. But she isn't!
her not being a skywalker ruinsthe saga... episode 1-6 is a skywalmer family drama...they ruined that rey has to be a Skywalker.... or it makes no sense at all and no one will give a shit about her.
And it's still the Skywalker saga, or did not watch episodes VII and VIII? Ben Solo is from the Skywalker bloodline you dumbass.....
luke skywalker is dead.. lea won't be back because u know why..so there is only one Skywalker left in this trilogy the reason the saga is so good is the cause of the conflict the Skywalkers have with each other the family dynamic so what ben gonna conflict with himself why the random nobody girl form a junk planet.. is gonna waht fly aroudn being all im the the chosen nobody who is so powerfull.. that we cant come up with an explenation for that power.. when the only thing that rivals or equals her power is the thepower of the skywalkers who are literally desendants from the force itself... please please try to fucking make sense of that god dam mess.
She matters because of who she is, in addition to the fact that she has the force. 'What is she like?' Where have you been? We know a lot about what she's like just from 4 hours and 45 minutes of run time. She's a survivor, kind, idolises the reistance and the jedi, held out alone in a desert for years waiting for a family that threw her away (while learning to pilot and fix ships so she could eat), forms deep loyalties quickly to good people, persistent (just ask Luke), calls people out when she thinks they're full of it (ask Luke again), risks her life to reach Ben Solo even though she's angry at him for killing Han, and not least of all, she picks up a lightsaber and swings even when she knows she's facing off against enemies much stronger than her - she did that in both movies. We may not know anything about her parents, but we know a HECK of a lot about who she is.
Maria26 if that was romance; then Disney has lost it. Almost as bad as Finn and Rose. Just cringe.
There’s something so satisfying watching these guys geek out about the movie
Bobby Pendragon it’s refreshing after watching so many people mindlessly bash the movie
People dont mindlessly bash this movie, it was a bad written movie overall with a lot of plot holes and a lot of stuff where you say WTF.
Collider and Campea did the same
Everyone is pissed caused their predictions were wrong. I personally loved the movie.i
Me personally loved this movie... Very cool ... Very cool
Interesting about how you guys spoke of Bens POV seeing Luke with the saber, and Luke’s POV seeing Ben attack him first.
Something i remember Obi-wan saying to Luke in ROTJ “Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view”
They each saw from their POV as being the truth.
I think the reason why they didn't tell Poe was because they are working in a military structured hierarchy and his commanding officer just gave him an order. Vice Admiral Holdo has no obligation to explain her orders to Captain Poe.
Morgan Filbert
Vice admiral???? Rank means nothing in this film. Never heard of Hodo until Leia is hurt and then she takes command.
Like virtually every chatacter in this movie. People popping in and out just for convenience of lazy writing.
The scene where the admiral does the hyperdrive attack on the first order fleet was one of the most visually beautiful things I have seen in cinema.
Xander It was made more perfect by the complete absence of sound. I would pay just to see that once scene on the big screen again.
Xander yeah that was mind blowing. My audience went nuts
Xander everyone in the theater was so silent (thank God) that you could probably hear the movie playing in the other rooms if it would have lasted longer
Yeah everyone in my theater gasped, and then there was just silence and awe as we watched it. I thought it was really fucking cool.
The CVR123 hahahaha yeah everyone in my theater went completely quiet and i was just thinking “holy shit” it was so much more intense without sound
1:02:50 Plagueis didn't create Anakin. He was trying to tip the balance of the force to the dark side in a ritual and he felt the force itself strike back in response. Anakin was that response to restore balance.
Rian Johnson and Hamill said the connection between Rey and Kylo is "romantic tension." So not siblings.
Yeah. Like Luka and Leia had "romantic tension" in TESB. Probably they had romantic tension again too, when they showed the force bond of Rey and Ben - and right after that the force bond of the Skywalker twins. Anakin's lightsaber did only split because Ani would have thought that Rey is hot and that Star Wars should become like Twilight. Sure.
Please don't mix up stuff with Game of Thrones. He asked her to rule the galaxy with him. But for some "shippers" it probably was as well romantic when Vader asked his son the same thing.
Making their connection romantic hardly going to turn it into Twilight, if only for the fact that Rey and Bella are nothing alike. (OK, I've only read half of one Twilight book, but I think that's enough to justify my statement.) Still, I think it would be extremely hard to do a romance - with only one movie left - that would do both characters justice and isn't just gross in some way. I was not a fan of the 'force connection' thing at all, but that's what we got. And if they end up together and Rey is still the character we know instead of Padme 2.0, and there's no suicide pact or romantic sacrifice nonsense, then maybe ... it won't ... be ... completely ... terrible ...
Having said all that though, why would Rian and co spoil a romantic connection? Probably just misdirection on their part.
How many villains have you seen using the 'join your power to mine' pitch? Not always romantic.
If Rey and Kylo make out in episode 9 the planet may split in half due to the cringe alone.
Bringing back the original hologram of Leia.. blew me away.
There's a connection between Ben/Kylo and Rey...but it sure ain't a sibling one. They're clearly going the romantic angle with those two.
like they didint dothat with luke and lea.. to yeah right they did.. so shutup with the relyo shit. i hate u reylopeople now u dont understand how rey not being a skywalker ruins the character and this triolgy....
Rey not being a skywalker doesn't 'ruin' the character or the trilogy you twit, even if they don't go for a romance between Kylo and Rey. They said even after the first movie that Rey's parents WEREN'T IN THE MOVIE...ruling out Han, Leia, and Luke, so I have no idea why people STILL think she's magically a Skywalker even with this movie outright telling them Rey's parents were NOBODIES. As to Kylo and Rey...there's a romantic pairing in every trilogy, Finn's actor already confirmed that him and Rey are just friends, and when asked if the first movie had a romance the director responded that there is, but it's very subtle. Whether you whiny babies like it or not, and whether she redeems him and they have a happy ending or not, some sort of romantic relationship between them is clearly being established. Which since you seem so fixated on the Skywalker name...should make you happy...because unless Kylo has a kid that's the end of the Skywalker bloodline.
it ruins it for me and allot of other people.. so u take wha tu want and enjoy it.. we, however, do not there is a reason i don't own any of the new sequel trilogy on dvd or blu-ray cause they are not worth to be with George Lucas vision of the Skywalker saga on my shelf now fuck of stupid shipping shit and its fandom get the fuck out of star wars i hate allof u
And it's gonna go over like a wet fart in episode 9.
Star Wars is not Twilight. Maybe Rey and Poe will fall in love because the movie clearly showed that connection between Rey and Kylo is now closed. And now they prepare to final fight. And the movie didn't nothing tell about Rey's parents. It was all false visions from Snoke. And maybe Snoke is still alive.
The Rey/Kylo dynamic was honestly so compelling that the other storylines paled in comparison. And I’m almost certain it will be a romantic connection, not a sibling/cousin one.
I saw this movie today and I liked it a lot. Having Akbar die offscreen did make me feel sad though. I would've loved it if he was the one piloting the big ship and just before he goes lightspeed at the Supremacy he contacts the First Order, they ask snidily what this is, and he says, "It's a trap."
Yes it sounds really cheesy but damn if it wouldn't have been good to see
Insayion 8 I would have wept buckets if it was Admiral Ackbar sacrificing himself like that. I didn't dislike Laura Dern's Holdo, even though her look felt out of place for a Star Wars movie, but we spent too little time with her for me to get that attached so when she died, I pretty much just thought, "aw too bad, oh well."
Insayion 8 that would ruin the epic moment tho
It would turn the coolest scene into a joke
@@teamtundra2619 Agreed. It would be a fourth wall breaking moment. Ackbar has never even been a major character. He's a meme
I really can't bring myself to think of Rose stopping Finn from sacrificing himself as anything other than stupid and selfish. The whole "We have to save what we love, not fight what we hate" idea is cutesy and all, but it's just not founded on anything whatsoever. I guess the Rebels should've just given Alderaan a big hug and pushed it out of the way, instead of blowing up the Death Star? I guess Admiral Holdo did the wrong thing when she sacrificed herself to disable Snoke's Star Destroyer and save the Resistance?
Because here's the thing, by "saving the thing she loves", Rose also prevented Finn from trying to save the Resistance, thus dooming like 100 people to death because she didn't want to lose Finn. That's nothing other than selfishness on her part. You can't have Holdo be the hero for sacrificing herself in one scene, and then try to make Rose the hero 30 minutes later for stopping Finn from doing the same thing.
Wolf6120 exactly if Luke didn’t show up EVERY resistance was dead because of Rose and her stupidity. The worst part is they said she is barely alive dragging her into the base which means we have to put up with her BS for another movie
you are right! i mean, i she pushed Finn but stayed on his place, well, let her explode, have Finn's sad moment, coul've work, but noooo, i really thought we were losing Finn and i was kinda shocked, i was thinking he wasn't my favorite character at all, but now he's going to die as a fucking heroe, well done!... 2 seconds later NOPE... i was so pissed
I agreed. And to be honest, I don't understand Rose's part in the plot here. She and Finc accomplished nothing during the intrusion, and then just when i thought Finn was going to actually accomplish something Rose T-Bone him, honestly i thought she killed him right there lmao.
Wolf6120 after so many sacrificed themselves for the cause, how could rose stop Finn? It was sooooooo garbage. The Finn rose storyline is an abomination.
I was ready for Finn to die in that moment. It was selfless, it was for the cause. And it was a damn risky move as far as the filmmaking goes. Finn should have been allowed to sacrifice himself. And I don’t buy the romance between him and Rose at all.
I think Snoke, while decently powerful, was using Kylo as a sort of conduit and using his power by manipulating him emotionally. That's why the connection still happens at the end of the movie, because it's Kylo's potential that creates the necessary conditions in the first place.
I actually like this theory. My guess was always that Snoke was a red herring to be dispatched by Kylo Ren so he could ascend to main villain and I was pleasantly surprised to be right about that. But the part I got wrong was that I thought Snoke really was just all smoke and mirrors and not actually strong in the Force. If they were going to go that route with him using Kylo's power I think they would have revealed it in this movie, but it's an interesting idea anyway.
Dude if you connect a plug into a socket then someone shot you the connection would still be there he tied their minds together it wasn't him constantly keeping it up he just performed a single action to tie them and that was it
MrTHEMONEEMAKER
Which is just fucking stupid. Just as stupid as Luke projecting himself galaxies away.
Hey i'm definitely not defending the film and I think it's all one galaxy but yea I know what you mean
Right .... because becoming a Force ghost is totally not far-fetched or anything. Holy shit dude, they showed how much power it took to do that, it didn't just come out of nowhere
Get rid of the entire casino Finn and Rose plot line, save 30 minutes, and you have a great Star Wars movie!
To me this was the main problem in the film.Other than that I had no major problems with it.Loved the second half.
The mission itself wasn't important, but what they did there was. It was about starting the fire of rebellion.
They put in the Finn/Rose stuff purely to create a ship between them so people will stop shipping Rey/Finn.
While I don't disagree, I think that it was essential to solidify the anyone can be a hero trope. Could they have done that better? hell yes, was it terrible? i dont think so
"Oh no the guy that they MET IN PRISON betrayed them after TELLING THEM STRAIGHT UP that its all about money"!
"You have it too. She's the son of Anakin Skywalker as well" - Eric, 2017
I think the overall complaint is Luke’s character. I don’t really understand what people mean by that? How did they ‘butcher’ Luke’s character? I felt like Luke was such a badass in this movie. I thought he portrayed a disappointed and heartbroken Jedi master well.
Well first of all, he was supposedly at one point one of the strongest Jedi to have ever lived. Plus, it's been a few decades since where we left off at the Return of the Jedi, so there was a lot of time for training and he has Yoda, Obi-Wan and who knows who else to guide him. Another major thing is that Luke's entire character is put into question when he tries to kill Ben (his nephew might I add) because he thinks he's beyond control and turning to the dark side. This is coming from the guy who risked everything to save his father Darth Vader...pretty much the most evil Sith Lord known in the universe because he saw an inkling of hope? IDK...seems really out of character to me. So I guess one would naturally think, "okay, we have a super powerful Jedi Master who we haven't seen in decades". At the VEERY least he could've at least had a decent light saber duel to show off some of his new powers that he gained over the many years of training. I mean the force projection must've taken a lot of energy and is an awesome tool. I get that. But to then kill him off when he didn't even get to show what he could do? I think most fans are disappointed because of so many missed opportunities/let downs in this movie and the direction the franchise is going as a whole.
Luke overpowered Vader, he had enough power to kill his father but didn't, in TLJ Luke saw IN THE FUTURE Ben would be more powerful than him, that why in just one moment he fear that he wouldn't be able to turn Ben, but Luke did NOT kill Ben and he realized his mistake "in shame". There is nothing out of character and Yoda did say the student will always be better but they need the teacher to be a foundation to grow. Took me 2 re-watch to understand it but I do believe it is very great writing.
+T- time 21 Read John Smith's comment. Explains it perfectly.
This is what happens when you spend months and years theorising about the movie online etc... You end up putting a movie in your head then when you get the actual movie people moan complain and bitch about it cos its not the movie they had in their head... They wanted to see Luke being like Vader at the end of Rogue One... They wanted him tearing up shit cos he's now the most powerful dude on the planet... But don't understand how broken he would of been as a person..... Yeah I had issues with some of the film.... But I don't get all these twats calling it the worst ever an shit... Do they forget Jar Jar fucking Binks ????...... Anyway I for one have this up there alongside Empire... After initially coming out of it feeling underwhelmed but seeing it again a few days after actually helps
T-time 21 Of course I know there were books of which most if not all is now non cannon.... I'm not a complete tard. How does it make everything he went through pointless ?.... It showed him that the Jedi weren't really this all powerful all seeing protector of the universe and that even they got shit wrong from time to time... I think most of the shit he's seen and been thru would probably turn him into someone who didn't give a shit anymore etc... I'm not saying these new films aren't without faults... And we deffo deserved to see a kick ass Luke at some point. Which we never got... (Who knows maybe they'll do a Luke anthology at sum point).... But it's deffo not as shit as some people are making it out to be.. Some people will just never be happy with what anyone does with Star Wars as its held in such high regard
I believe that Rey's parents are no one important. I think that was even shown in her "cave" scene. When she wiped away the fog and saw only herself, I felt like that was showing that she was the important one. She raised herself and she was strong all on her own merits. Her parents didn't matter. I don't think Ben was lying honestly. I feel like Rey knew he wasn't lying just as he said. She has known for some time. I honestly hope that's where that story ends. Rey's parents don't need to be important at all and I will be so happy if everything said about her parents ends up being true. Not because horrible things were done to Rey if it is true, but because it means Rey doesn't need a special lineage. Because we all know that's not how the Force works. It can be strong or weak in anyone, regardless of their heritage.
Good comment!
TLK PRod
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you bring up a vital point as to why this new trilogy CANNOT be fundamentally Star Wars or at least the one with which the original idea/story was fostered from. The original is literally a story about family and the conflict/drama that those relationships bring to the table. Thus, that theme should be engrained in the movie if you want to continue the story with the original SW trilogy characters. This MONSTROSITY that is Disney plasters the name Star Wars onto is just a new movie trying to kill off any hope of actually continuing any sort of story from the originals and prequels. If you're going to make it so that anybody can be force user, just make a new story/new trilogy without bringing the old characters in (or maybe just mention them). At least that way, there truly is a fresh new take on things without the burden of trying to fit the old characters in the story.
Loool, you were fucking wrong, are you mad? Did you hate rise of skywalker?
Welp
Your comments aged well huh mate?
It is so funny how people used to cry because of the midiclorians thing because it takes away the mystical status of the force and now they cry because they wan the force to biological trasmiten in a single family line.
Fernando Flores the common theme is the original trilogy nazis don’t want anything to change. But all of their shitty extended universe canon was fine. NO flaws in any of that material.
I know! It’s almost as if people have different views & opinions. Yeah, people have opposing views. It’s normal & alright.
There are probably people out there that really want R5D4 (aka Bad Motivator Droid) to be force sensitive (seriously that EU story was so stupid)
Fernando Flores EXACTLY!!!! Not ever god damn force user is gonna come from the sky walker or solo line 🙄 which is still skywalker lol. What about yoda, obi wan, mace windu, qui gon, plo koon, etc. nobody gave a damn about their parents but everyone is bitches about Rey? Not all force users have force user parents lmao
Daniel Fernandez I think people bitching about Rey's parents because it was so teased in the force awakens and this was Ryan Johnson's way of saying it doesn't matter who her parents are because she just is like the Force she just is I think this would be a cool way of saying hey your parents we're nobody's but her family line isn't like what if she is in some way a descendant of Revan or like Darth Malgus it probably won't happen but members are in the movie she went straight to the darkness so maybe she has a line of Sith heritage she probably doesn't and they're probably not going to do that but it would be amazing if they made Revan Canon again
What I loved about the light speed part was that no one at the theater dared to make a sound and ruin the moment
DareStep same at mine! Even the kids!
DareStep I farted
Mine was dead silent until the sound came back and then they erupted. It was great!
No matter how much anyone else says that the movie sucked, I will always think that this movie is amazing
Do you rationalize WHY they say it sucks?
maulrat what annoys me is that they analyze every damn detail like shit watch the dam movie 😂 you’re over here talking about subplots and shit while I’m here talking about how Luke just matrixed the shit outta kylo 😂
I’m genuinely worried with the ridiculous attitude people have nowadays with their ridiculous criticism. It has become extremely popular to bitch and moan and start circlejerking with hatred for so many different franchises.
Law exactly lmao like just sit down and enjoy the damn movie
maulrat do you know the how to understand if someone is immature? If that person doesn't know how to take criticism. And no most of the criticism comes from the fact that this movie is filled with plot holes and inaccuracies, a movie that without the "Star Wars" name on it would be worth nothing. I really envy you people that manage to enjoy this movie despite its flaws, but I just can't, it's stronger than me, and I'm not saying that previous star wars were perfect, but this one I think (in my personal humble opinion) has just too many flaws to be considered one of the best star wars.
Well I wouldn't say all theories didn't matter. The Reylo theory literally happened and I think they're going to continue building it in Episode 9.
Reylo is fucking disgusting. Of all the theories why did they have to go with the second most disgusting behind only the "Rey is Palpatine's daughter" one is beyond me.
@Verebazs Technically they didn't "go with" the theory. It's that this is what they had planned since The Force Awakens and the theory turned out to be correct after some fans dig into all the hints and stuff. And I don't find it disgusting at all. I think Reylo parts are the best parts of The Last Jedi - the Force connection scenes & the Reylo vs. Praetorian Guards scene.
I ship it pretty hard. And not because of a romance - though hey, I wouldn't complain to much if it became that - but because I've truly missed the indepth, almost intimate, relationship-study of a protagonist and their antagonist in a narrative. Batman has the Joker; Holmes has his Moriarty; the Doctor vs the Master; Aang and Zuko. Focusing on the connections between two great characters, and having their interactions both develop them AND consequently escalate their actions in opposing directions, was a fascinating thing to watch and think about. In my mind, it would be too easy and cliche to just have them 'fall in love and magically fix everything with a hug' - and they don't. They're just two, very lonely and broken people looking for answers and acceptance, and, though theyre on opposite sides/hate each other, reaching an intimate understanding of the other. This understanding would influence the decisions (and consequences) of future events. So meh, I walked out of this movie 100% onboard with it, and incredibly invested with where it goes from here. :)
That's a strong reaction. I'd only call it disgusting if it ends up being another incest near miss!
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Aang and Zuko 👌
When I first saw Kylo in TFA and what they were setting his story up to be, I immediately thought of Zuko. And while watching TLJ, where Snoke was talking smack to Kylo, I was honestly expecting him to say, "You're banished until you capture The Last Jedi (Airbender) to restore your honor" :P
i'm only 14 mins in but you were just talking about rey and ben possibly being siblings - AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO FELT THE EXTREME SEXUAL TENSION BETWEEN THOSE CHARACTERS OR
oh thank god
Most romantic scene was when Kylo ordered his men to shoot the Falcon and Rey. There was more romantic tension between Rey and Snoke. But people who disrespect Star Wars that much and want the last Jedi to be in love with the dictator who did put a lightsaber through Han Solo, would have shipped Luke and Leia as well after TESB. But fortunately there wasn't anybody who didn't understand that Star Wars isn't about shipping when Twilight and Game of Thrones didn't exist.
i understand that star wars isn't about shipping,,, i was just commenting on something i picked up on in the movie,,, because clearly it was either a directors choice or the way the actors played it,,, maybe you should take your head out of your ass,,, and actually pay attention to what's happening in the film,,, i'm not justifying any of kylo's actions,,, i just think that they have a very interesting dynamic in the film,,,
These "shippers" don't care about Star Wars and don't understand it. (That's why they are as well not able to get that both characters are obviously Anakin's grandchildren.) Everybody who wants the murderer of the best friend of the OT hero to be with the ST hero should watch Twilight and stop to annoy real Star Wars fans. Rey is the opposite of shippers who think she should have romantic feelings for someone who did torture her and ordered his men to shoot her.
Rey looked exactly like someone who doesn't belong to these shippers would look at her/his cousin or sibling when she/he thinks it's embarassing that he doesn't wear a shirt. On the other hand Luke once looked really weird at Leia because George Lucas wasn't sure if he wanted them to be siblings before he made the third movie. But episode 7 and 8 are full of hints about Rey being a Skywalker.
The movie had problems,but to me it brought a whole other dimension to the saga,which makes it great.
bassically its original trilogie copy if you didnt noticed... new darth vader, new sidous, new luke, new obi wan... new death star cmon
MindaugasLegend who's the new Darth vader? What?
MindaugasLegend Did you even watch TLJ? How they metaphorically said that hes not and can't be like Vader? What are you talking about.
MindaugasLegend force awakens was copy pasted a new hope, last Jedi had bit from empire and return, but the third one probably won't be a copy paste since snoke is dead
Wise Wolf Tony I think he's including the force awakens in that statement as well, starkiller base and Han was like obiwan
I gotta say, Leia flying was actually a highlight for me. In fact, I fucking loved it. Not even sorry. I've wanted Leia to use the force for so long now... I just... LOVED IT
It might have been better received if she was posed differently.
Cheesy af too.
She's implicitly used the Force in more subtle ways before, perhaps without knowing it until Luke dropped the bombshell on her - one very sure moment of it is when she sense's Han's death. Still great to see something which is indisputable, and awesomely so however.
Borjan Kosarac Well there was also the time she knew Luke was in trouble in ESB and exactly where he was. Luke spoke to her but I don’t think he could’ve done that to just anyone.
Borjan Kosarac That’s not really USING the Force, though. It’s just feeling the Force. This was obviously another level of Force use, and something significant like this is what Torchwood Boy is talking about. And I agree, I loved it as well. Don’t know why everybody is being such prats about it just because she happened to kinda look like Superman. It made sense. She was using a Force pull, which comes out of the hand. So of course her hand is gonna lead her like that.
I'm pretty sure that wasn't Selise Baratheon operating the radio station Calvin... I believe that was Lysa Arryn
j3RicK24 That’s where Luke should have gotten his milk from.
Calvin always fucks up with got names.. even in Rick Reacts.
To all the people saying that this movie was a disappointment, that's the interesting part because thematically speaking, The Last Jedi is actually a film about disappointment and I am increasingly convinced that they went that route to fullfill a very specific purpose:
Storywise, Rey is disappointed in Luke, who is disappointed in himself and Kylo, who is disappointed with Luke and Han and Leia and later Rey and definitely Snoke, who is disappointed in Kylo, while Leia is dissappointed in Poe and Poe is disappointed in Haldo and Haldo is disappointed in Poe in turn, and Rose is disappointed in Finn and Finn is disappointed with the status of war and later war profiteering between both sides of the conflict, and so on.
The film itself even deliberately disappoints its audience by not delivering on “the goods”:
I wanted Luke to mess people up with his green lightsaber, and I was dissappointed.
I wanted Luke to carry on into the next flim, and I was disappointed.
A whole bunch of us wanted Rey’s backstory to be elaborate and relating back to the lore of the franchise in some way, and we all were disappointed.
A whole bunch of us wanted to know where Snoke came from and if he was actually someone else from lore, and we were all disappointed.
And so on. You see my point.
The Last Jedi is not the exact fan experience you’re looking for. It’s not about scratching that specific itch. It’s about taking the franchise into new, uncharted territory (at least on big screen, there were probably a few obscure old EU books that ventured around here before). BUT at the same time it still ends up being entertaining by still being a good Star Wars movie, with tons of laughs and cries and family drama and space battles and force visions and lightsaber action and good acting and good music. It still gives the viewers their money’s worth on that account and then some.
Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But then again no film is. It has sagging pace for the first half, jokes that don’t land, a few genuine missed opportunities (Phasma again; Snoke backstory; apparently Leia and Ben’s relationship isn’t going to get closure, though that’s not the filmmakers’ fault), and its probably a little long for general audiences. But while it is important that I address them, I’m not going to dwell on those things because I know I don’t have to. I love it because, Star Wars feels more new to me than ever before and that's exciting!
That's a very interesting take and I'm sure some of it is actually true. I wanted it to go a different way but I still loved it so much and I think that's a great achievement.
Interesting take and i'm going to try look at it this way on my 2nd viewing...subjective meaning on that level would be very unique. However if that is the aim i can't help but think some people including myself didn't enjoy aspects because of this, difference between disapointment within characters like them not being able to actually achieve something and disapointment from what you are seeing on screen happening how you were expecting...but maybe as fans we need to expect something different now. Hype also has something to do with it.
Lich Coin when you avoid all the problems a movie has by saying "no film is perfect"
THANK YOU. Such a great analysis. This film is amazing the more i think about it! Rian is GENIUS! His work thankfully is noticed by smart people like you and i.
Herald Stephacont I did addressed the problems I spotted but you didn't paid attention to my comment. I just liked the results and the implication from those results going forward more than I hated the problems.
Watching you guys talk about this stuff reminds me about WHY I fucking love these movies
Force Bonds don't only occur between kin. It typically occurs between two strong Force inclined persons, usually a master and apprentice. It's a special connection forged out of a mutual, deep understanding. Count Dooku and Yoda shared a Force Bond. So Kylo and Rey share one, but it doesn't mean they're related. Rey has been confirmed a No One, and I don't think it's a bad thing at all. SHE'S and important character, like Erick pointed out, like Obi-Wan and all those other people without origin who stand on their own. Rey raised herself on Jakku because her parents were terrible people, that's why she saw herself in the reflection. She's her OWN parent/guardian.
I LOVED this movie!!! I can watch it 100000 times.
THANK YOU. I have BIG complaints about this fandom and just how---purposefully IGNORANT people can be?
The movie can literally be like /Kylo Ren turning his head to the audience, looking right at the camera/ "Rey is not a Skywalker. Rey you are NOT a Skywalker" /Rey nodding head in agreement/ "You are right. I remember I am not one for sure 100%" and the fans will still be like "??Wow, what do they mean by that?? Could she possibly not be Luke's daughter but maybe his granddaughter??? Wow, that's my new theory and if it doesn't happen in Epidose 9 I'm going to throw the biggest bitch fit."
Not only do fans NOT pay attention to the source materials they've already been given, but they distrust every interview, every comment made by official staff, and THEN proceed to distrust the MOVIE ITSELF. I have never been in such a dense fandom before.
And ahsoka and anakin also have a force bond
10:58 - I actually don't mind if Rey's parents were nobodies. For me, that was a course correction for Star Wars. In the very first film (A New Hope), we see a young farm boy, rogue smuggler, furry alien and two obscure droids save the Rebel Alliance. It was great to think that Luke didn't have to be born into Jedi powers. Of course, that changed with Empire...and even more so with the prequels. I like the fact that someone obscure who is good at heart and truly believes in a cause can be powerful in the Force.
Well they had no choice now since we needed a explanation why she is just so good with the force all of a sudden.
Exactly! They just had to explain it with Rey Palpatine.
This is gonna be a long comment, but I just have to say that I love that you guys like this movie.
This channel has people who are the biggest star wars nerds (not saying that in a bad way) in the galaxy and the fact that they loved it really tells me that this movie is genuinely good.
I mean these guys know so much about the lore of star wars and they remember so much, like when they watched the twin suns episode of star wars rebels and Obi-Wan switches stances in his duel with darth maul, one of you instantly said "that's qui-gon's stance"
I love this movie, I hate that it's getting so much negative feedback and so much hate but hey, art's subjective.
I love how this movie deconstructs the idea of the myth of luke skywalker and how he has to have his own little hero's journey again and doing it creates the myth of luke skywalker again when he faces the entire first order by himself.
I love how this movie explores the lore of star wars and takes it in new and different directions while still giving it that star wars feeling (Luke and Yoda).
and I'm so happy that Luke didn't die by being struck down by anyone.
Luke Skywalker became one with the force with peace and purpose having faced his demons, and not before showing off one last amazing trick he had up his sleeve, showing us that he's still as powerful as ever.
This movie is just so good, and I love that you love it.
Cheers.
RIP Admiral Akbar.
It was an alright death for him to me, but they didn’t even show anything ya know? They were just like “oh they got admiral Ackbar” like wtf I didn’t even see him 😂
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He should have been the one to sacrifice himself by hyperspacing himself into those destroyers.
Another review where they don't criticize anything. They loved avatar the last Airbender movie too
I was honestly so bored and uninterested with Finn and Roses arc this movie. But the most badass and epic moment of this movie has to go to either Kylo and Rey fighting back to back or Kylo VS Luke both scenes and my theater freaking out.
Yeah the casino scene was the weakest. Everything else was very strong though.
So im only one who noticed that kid at the end use force to garb his broom??? COME ON!!
KallenSC Ok you are the only one who has pointed that out so far and thank you for that! I totally noticed that too but when no one else mentioned it, I thought it was just my imagination. EDIT: oops, the guys mentioned it too! Credit to the Blind Wave as well...I didn't hear that part before I replied to your comment. (^-^)
Lol...btw i hate all these haters comments about movie....im saying WTF wrong with you people? They wanted old 60 years old man to be badass with lightsaber finght?? HE WAS TOO OLD...of course he could use some force to for example destroy few At-At....but im not complain so much. All these haters saying Rey is none is bullshit.....WTF? Only skywalkers now can use force for good?? Nobody else? They forgetton that after prequels "force" is kind a homeless now? IN some time Force should be expended in universe and new characters should use it. They complain about how rey quick lern use force...WTF people?? Luke skywalker didnt lern anything much from Obi(cause he was old and die in 10 mins after reveal) or even from Yoda...where the hell Luke lern saberfight?? From who?? The greatest "force" users lern much much faster than other...that why they are so special! Only in terrible prequels was bullshit about to become Jedi you must lern about Force long years...So that Kid at the end is another generation of strong "force" users. And remember first lesson of Rey? Force is for everyone....but only "user" can reach it and tap into force...its natural power of life and death...If someone can reach that force, that person can use it, like this kid, without any shitty study of years
KallenSC haters?? Maybe we didn’t like Leias Superman move..... or the unnecessary humor like the frog nuns or Luke Skywalker drinking blue milk from a tit...maybe we wanted an explanation to how Rey and Kylo are so powerful with very little to no training.....maybe we want some kind of explanation to where Snoke came from and how he is so powerful because he clearly was.....You just want me to believe Rey is just that powerful because Kylo needed an equal? Fuck off with that bullshit bro, I’m saying it was terrible but it tried too hard in some areas and didn’t deliver in many.
Mike'emSteveDave This is not my theory but someone else's: what if the Force chose Rey to be that powerful because of the current imbalance that is in favor of the Darkside? So to counteract that, Rey is given the ability to be just as powerful as Kylo. As for Snoke, honestly, I was surprised that many people were upset by that...based on just TFA, I didn't see him as anything more than an one dimensional villain that eventually would be dealt with...the story to me has always been about Kylo, Rey, Poe, and Finn. I'm not sure why anyone cares about learning the backstory of the stereotypical villain. If this is attachment resulting from other forms of Star Wars media, then I don't know that it is fair to judge the movie by that. The movie did have flaws, for sure, but I can't agree that not learning about Snoke's history is one of them.
Yes hates....And from who Luke learn a lightsaber fight?? Remember?? From None and he defeat great Anakin/Vader who does a lot crazy shit in prequels......?? No but you dumb fanboy dont wanna see that in Star wars movies Luke wasn't the greatest Jedi Master, he was pretty medicore or lower...Yes Kylo and Rey can be so power full in force users, cause they aren't balanced....remember from prequels, They killed in entire galaxy most of Force Users...so sooner or later Force would be "explode" ... That why Leila was that powerful to bring her body from space(yes i didn't like that scene, better if she would just stay in main deck...using force to keep her alive.) That why Luke was power force user(but not great lightsaber fighter) to project himself on other planet, that pretty powerful. Yes Kylo REn and Rey probably would not have a chance in fight with Palpatine, Windu, Yoda, Anakin/Vader, Obi and many other Jedi from past....but in their time THERE ARE NO MORE better lightsaber fighters!!!
The Film Was About Overcoming the Aftermath of Failure and Persevering. Everyone Failed Over and Over but Learnt to Become More than Who They Were Before. A Great Lesson.
This ☝🏼
Thank you!
To use the force, you must first squeeze your buttocks and then yell out in your heart!
i read this in all mights voice
All Max I don't follow you on this. The Force Awakens didn't end with failure for the Resistance. And it didn't end with the Resistance fleeing the First Order. This movie seemingly starts where Episode VII ends. Sorry, but this movie has no plot. The Last Jedi literally has no synopsis. The Resistance is always running from the First Order in this movie, but is never held hostage by them. As a stand alone movie, there is no reason given for the Resistance's fleeing. The original trilogy was about the righting of a supernatural imbalance between good and evil. The Force Awakens should have been about a sudden burst of supernatural evil and a push to subdue it. The Last Jedi should have been about dark side force users with their minions, seemingly totally wiping out the full gamut of light side force users until they have to face who seems to be the final Jedi.
My facebook feeds have been buzzing with a lot of negativity about The Last Jedi today so thanks a lot for the (blind) wave of positivity from all you guys and Melanie. I've seen it twice now and am already planning on a third. I really fucking enjoyed this movie.
good for you
Same!!!
I saw it 3 times in the theater and countless times on home video! For me it ranks right behind Empire!
Trolls must hate this review
I LOVED THE MOVIE
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Got a mirror buddy? Cuz i feel that you need one
ME TOO
Thor Valhalla I’m a fanboy but I loved it lol idk why people are so over critical and want everything to be the way they read or want it. I personally like the change and am excited to see where they take it.
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ändrew Salter Yes he did like it. I did too
I feel like the bond was more of a Revan and Bastila thing than a bond between siblings.
It wasn't Selyse Baratheon but Lysa Tully/Arryn that was the radio operator.
camilledumeige3 thanks! I was sure I knew her!
I knew it! I had to put here frame by frame cause I knew it was Lysa Arryn (tully).
Pretty good movie. Some of the best cinematography in the franchise. The Rey/Kylo/Luke plotline was outstanding. Genuinely great, and with a thematic depth I wasn't expecting. And yes, fuck your Snoke theories.
The Poe/Leia/Holdo plotline was good, but didn't have the kind of payoff that it really needed (Poe only sort of comes off like he learned anything). The Finn/Rose/DJ plotline was out of place and dragged the rest of the movie down, but I liked Rose as a character and thought she was a good addition to the franchise.
Most of the negative things I see people complaining about are the usual nitpicks and "you ruined my childhood" nonsense.
Yeah the whole casino thing was disappointing but literally every movie i've ever seen has scenes that aren't as strong as others. And the good scenes in TLJ were REALLY good.
@@Doomfoolable 😂 3 years later and tlj is seen by all as the one thing so shitty it nearly destroyed SW. so fun watching all the shills who tried to defend this garbage at launch
@@randalthekidd7006 Nah. Had episode 9 not literally just rebooted everything and ignored 8 they could've made something of it. Maybe. Regardless, I still stand by the good scenes being really good. Luke's moment when he finally stopped being pathetic was excellent, and the hyperspace kamikaze scene has still been one of the most fun scenes to watch in a theater of the last decade. You wanna know whats REALLY pathetic though? People (you) who jump onto 3 year old comments to spread their ignorant bullshit. Glad i lived rent free in your head for so long you had to come write this shit.
I could watch the throne room battle scene for hours. and my jaw dropped when the ship went lightspeed to attack the First Order fleet
that was literally the worst fight scene in starwars history, choreography was just awful
hahahaha i could watch two 5 yr olds pretend to fight with lightsabers rather than see that again
Maybe if Holdo told to Poe about her plan, Poe will be the one who stay on the star cruiser and sacrifice himself. But after ep8, Poe grows up, more calm and wise, so he can become the leader of rebellion in ep9... just guess
Btw laura dern was a character from the Leia Comics. They were friends as kids and was supposed to be really quarky, like Luna lovegood, but they didnt really explain anything about her in the actual movie, just expected you to know.
That southern gentleman alien. lol
And the lines between Hux and Kylo was:
Hux: The Supreme Leader is dead
Kylo Force chokes him a bit.
Hux: Long live the Supreme Leader.
jinxie712 I loved Hux and Kylo's interactions. I was glad Kylo didn't actually kill him.
Sickle Weed Hux got the short end in the movie. lol It was like everyone owned him.
Jinxie712 He's the First Order's bag of potato chips.
Sickle Weed I feel Hux and Rose are the two worst characters on level with Jar Jar. Hux lost Starkiller Base, a dreadnaught, numerous ships, the capital ship. Why is he the only officer in the OT there were like 5-10. Who would honestly follow any of Hux orders he is younger, naive, and poor tactical mind
Jango747 Yeah, Hux probably should've been demoted like Poe was after the whole Starkiller Base thing, and I do wonder the same thing: what has he done to warrant his high ranking? I'm curious about that too. I still like him though because Domhnall Gleeson gives the character just the right amount of campy to make Hux fun to watch for me.
As for Rose...I don't like her or hate her...she was ok...I think the Canto Bight thing didn't do any favors for her character, but I do wish they didn't introduce the romance aspect to her relationship with Finn because I don't want to see a love triangle between her, Rey and Finn. I actually cringed when she told him she loved him.
WHERE ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN, also i think they might take Rose into a traitor route, i feel her and finn don't feel the same for each other and they might find a way to turn her evil and go with Kylo
My guess is that Kylo hid them away from snoke as snoke seems the more traditional rule of 2 Sith.
Kylo already said he diden't care about the Jedi and Sith traditions
So nice to see a positive review going in depth about the things that happens instead of saying "thats stupid and thats dumb because.. reasons" xD
menamgamg Yeah, have fun with biased reviews.
A review is literally writing down your personal opinion on something, so ofc it's biased u asshat :P
digital _id4 agree 100%. This movie is extremely thought out to the tiniest details. And that's because they knew ppl would watch it extremely closely and find every detail :p ppl are complaining about plot holes and other ridiculous things because they can't put their finger on what their problems actually are with the movie so they jump on the bandwagon opinions they find on the internet. And im pretty sure the problem in most cases is the expectations they had when watching it.
I have a few problems with it, but those things are forgiveable, it's still one of my fav SW movies and imo easily the best one disney made so far.
thats when disney pays youtubers. these guys don‘t sound honest. can‘t belive that any movie fan and critic can like this movies and plotholes and the endless fuck you J.J.Abrahms moments.
@ Here is an endless fuck you just for you!
Yay! Finally :D
I loved the film and was looking forward for a discussion from blindwave. Thanks fellas!
you loved it ? ...holly molly they really exist.
Sadly they do. Both TFA and TLJ are abominations.
This was a great discussion. I love how nerdy you guys get over Star Wars, just like my friends and I.
I'm READY, 1h 40! w00t
Loved the film myself, although there were some questionable points in the film.
The whole structure of the film was great, left completely intrigued throughout the whole thing and wasn't really sure where it was headed which is a nice change from the other Star Wars films; although I love them, you could generally grasp a sense of where it was going and how it was going to end up whereas with this film it had me somewhat anxious (in a good way) and in complete anticipation of where it was heading.
The plot was spot on. Rey discovering what the force truly is about and finding her place in everything was exciting to watch and her attitude towards Ben shifting. Discovering Luke tried to kill Ben in hindsight for that scene alone when Ben said that to Rey I thought I wouldn't of believed it. Possibly being a ploy for Kylo to seduce Rey to the dark side. However, the set up of Ben's character in The Force Awakens and emphasized in this film; his visible remorse killing Han and the conflict you can see brewing in him, had me entirely convinced he was telling the truth and that there was a chance for a dark side character to return to the light for once which is a twist I was rooting for in this film.
Furthermore, discovering Luke's rash decision to kill Ben as being just a rash train of thought rather than a premeditated dark plan was a great plot point imo. You could argue that a Jedi master wouldn't make a mistake like that, but it's a statement of Luke's humanity, although dark and why he ultimately comes to believe the Jedi must end. He chose to sacrifice the few for the needs of the many. Although a dark thought, it was to protect the ones he loved.
I've always interpreted a balance of the force as being a new order that needs to be introduced that intertwines the dark and the light side of the force. The Jedi suggests the dark side is all bad, as the name suggests (which makes observing it hard to think otherwise) but in my opinion the dark side has it's benefits. Temptation and selfishness are an essential part of life; again that sounds bad on the surface and why those are attributed with the dark side and frowned upon by the Jedi but let me explain.
Let's look at it from a basic level of the force within sentient beings as being the essence of life itself. To stay alive we must be tempted through instinct to eat and survive right? We must also be selfish, to stay alive and defend ourselves against something that might threaten our life, right? If a herbivore runs from a predator, it's being selfish through instinct to save itself; a basic instinct that protects life from something that might extinguish it. Otherwise, if that herbivore were not selfish through instincts to save itself, it would roll over and die for the predator; to save itself would be selfish. I may have lost you, but ultimately the Jedi suggests you must not give in to those elements of the force; but they're necessary for life and Luke's blindness to those elements of the force is what created Kylo Ren. His temptation to kill in the hope of selfishly saving the one's he loves at the expense of another sentient was rash, because he was untrained and taught to resist. Rather than understand those feelings through the study of the dark side, which is why they were a rash thought and led to his mistake which he then realised was a mistake by which point it was too late and Ben was lost the worst of the dark side because of Luke's ignorance of the dark side.
Fruthermore, on a more complex note in terms of sentient life. The Jedi has you extinguish any personal ties to lead you not into any kind of temptation that might benefit yourself over anyone else. But to benefit yourself is to benefit others and continue life. To love someone and continue your lineage through family; you're naturally tied to them and without that temptation of love how could you save your family from danger? Your individual longing for love is a selfish act but ultimately benefits others. To save the ones you love from an outside threat is considered dark by the Jedi. So by that, if all sentient life were Jedi's and not allowed to love, how could we reproduce and continue life? We would have no means to without temptation, selfishness and love.
So by that philosophy, the Jedi must end. Something new must rise from the ashes and bring a balance to the force.
*Que oh so wise Yoda to burn the old books"
That's why I loved that scene, it spoke a thousand words; though I can understand without context why fans would be salty.
I've never though a balance of the force should be a war between two sides like the two sides believe it to be. However, a balance of the force should be a combined element. A new order that studies the best of both sides of the force. The Jedi are bad for misunderstanding the true meaning of life and the Sith are bad for mistreating the powerful elements of the dark side (such as love) as means for tempting the destruction of life (Think Anakin being indoctrinated by Palpatine, through his love for Padme leading to killing everything else in an attempt to save her, whereas an order of balance could've taught Anakin to love without being selfish in an evil way).
This idea then leads on what I see as Luke's epiphany. He used the force to impose himself elsewhere and face off against Kylo Ren; using a true balance of the force. Buying them time in both a selfish and selfless act. Selfish in the sense he was saving the ones he loves, selflessly over exerting himself using the force to save others; using everything the Jedi taught him yet using the dark side of the force. Everything good about the Jedi driven by everything good about the dark side; a complete balance of the force. The disappearance at the end wasn't him dying from using too much of the force in my opinion, but a transcendence to becoming one with the force as he achieved perfect balance in his final moments. Much how I believe Yoda and Obi-Wan were able to do so and how they now exist within the force, as they achieved true balance and become one with the force.
God damn, I've just realised what I've just wrote. Shit, we still talking about the film?
LOOOOOL
Anyway, the rest of the film like Rey being tempted to the dark where all through her longing to belong and be loved by finding out who her parents. Again, a harmless part of the dark side that should not be feared and why that mirror scene worked wonders for me. It spoke how she didn't have to search for others who don't love her back, that doesn't continue the circle of life and it suggests how she shouldn't be afraid to be selfish and root for herself and achieve her own goals rather than waiting for someone else.
I was curious about Rey's heritage and was on the hype train with everyone else about who her parents could be but I was so glad they turned out to be no one. I believe it was that strong needing for love from her parents (a dark attribute remember) that made the force in her so strong; something inside, waiting to burst out.
Her trusting in Ben and having that turn on it's head to have herself completely outwitted by Snoke was awesome; the conflict of light and dark in Ben made for a balance that defeated snoke and allowed him to 1 up him. Showing that both sides of the force is better with one. Using one hand with the dark side that snoke was focusing on and the other hand with the light side that snoke couldn't see was awesome. I've seen people argue that Snoke was super powerful and shouldn't of died like that but the statement behind it being just how powerful a balance of the force is compared to just the dark side or the light. While watching the film I was hoping Ben would switch to the light and thought it was going to happen in the final confrontation after Snoke and the red guards. At which point Ben's justification for making it all end is easy to sympathise with. Being betrayed by the Jedi and the First Order; his intentions with the force turned evil, proposing an end to life; to let it die. I say evil with the force instead of dark because as I've made clear, the dark and the light are misunderstood so from this scene it birthed something new for me when understanding the force to make it more black and white; good and evil. Rey's intentions were to save life by having the fleeing ships saved out of love and sympathy for the people on board; her intentions were good.
So at this point the tension brews. Kylo is evil and wants to destroy the force of life. Rey is good and wants to save the force of life.
At the time of watching I was still thinking in terms of the dark side and light side and really wasn't sure who might've joined who. But seeing them face off was epic; both able to use a balance of the force. Opposites of the force like dark and light: Luke and Vader faced off in a lightsaber battle by attracting to one another (OPPOSITES ATTRACT) but Rey and Kylo were both able to balance the force (SAME REACTS) two polar similarities visually magnetising away from one another with the force in the standoff made such a broad statement about how the ways of the force and the understanding of Star Wars has shifted.
Damn, I'm still going with the philosophy, anyway as for those story arcs that's what I made of them. However, for the other lighthearted arc such as the Finn and Rose I didn't enjoy as much and the Po and Admiral (can't remember her name) I found myself intrigued but dumbfounded in a bad way for political statement I feel it was trying to make.
The whole Finn and Rose thing was very cheesy, I felt it was thrown in there for the sake of having a love story. Didn't find myself seeing any chemistry there at all, the whole trip to the casino felt a bit too much like it was trying to become another iconic Cantina scene, but personally didn't enjoy the too Earth like relation it was making to the casino, I like inspired. But not too inspired!
I felt a more suitable original theme could've been used for acquiring the codebreaker and having that amount to nothing anyway made the whole thing a waste of time and yes I know it was building up to the whole Admiral having a plan all along sort of thing (which I have another problem with) but we could've at least got something more out of it unless the codebreaker is actually double double crossing the first order and not entirely out for himself to play a bigger role in the new movie? I liked the codebreaker character, I feel there is more to be explored with him in the next film possibly.
I love Finn's character but thus far seems to have been just a foot soldier with small aids helping the resistance. Having him go out with the speeder I felt was the perfect ending for him, to heroically buy time for the resistance when he's appeared to be quite the coward before. Only for that to be done over by Rose saving him pointlessly when that would've killed everyone had Luke not shown up. Yes they wouldn't of blown the doors down but it would've bought them time until the First Order could've conjured something else up but Finn's true heroism was overshadowed by the all powerful Luke and what he could've done giving his life amounted to nothing but being saved by someone who wanted him for herself romantically when that whole thing between them was cringey and pointless. But other than that his scenes with him where some good gaffs most of the time. Like him walking around with fluid pouring out had me giggling.
Now, seeing Poe rip shit up in his X-wing was so cool. Loved the whole objective based lone wolf thing and encouraging the pack to come join the fight and finishing the destroyer off with mass sacrifice and the butt clenching bombs away scene was so well done and had me on the edge of my seat.
On his return to the main ship, it was expected that Leah would penalise him for it and fair enough she did.
Her scene with the force was great. I wasn't expecting but hoping I could see her use the force, I knew it wasn't it with her anticlimatic death after Ben decided not to kill her. I though she might've conjured escaping gas from the ship up to merge around her face to keep her breathing until rescue but seeing her float back to the ship was kind of a jaw dropping "OMG she's doing the force thing and everyone is seeing her use it OMG" moment. Her absence bringing Admiral into play was a wtf is this kind of moment. I feel like she was portrayed as some sort of feminist with her comments about Poe being all honcho with his man plans which were sound plans considering they were the only option but no we won't tell the commander we have a plan we'll just stick to formalities with his rank stripped and then poof. Turns out the feminists aren't really that bad and turn around to sacrifice for greater good by becoming a lightspeed ship sized bullet. I felt like that whole thing was a political statement of "women in power aren't just for women, they one for all in the end despite the looks of things" was too clear and kind of annoyed me. Just be a leader making the right calls. If you're a woman, cool. Man? Cool. I don't care, just felt the whole political statement spoiled that plot line for me and was unnecessary.
I've got to say thought when I seen Admiral purple hair take the helm I knew what was coming, something I've always thought about and always wanted to see happen in a sci-fi film. "What happens when you jump to warp/lightspeed/splipspace if there's an object in the way? And we found out. But oh my god, DID WE FIND OUT. It was the most beautiful piece of cinema I've ever seen. A truly artistic spectacle; something I was waiting to see for years and it was more beautiful than I ever thought a trivial thought could become.
There are plenty of other points I could make about the movie like it's art, awesome choreographed battles and much more. But most of what I said is what matters to me; glad I can share it here on this channel. I've watched all the Game of Thrones reactions with Calvin and through S6/S7. Still watching Rick's, now I'm about to finally watch this video looool! Keep up the good work guys.
u loved the film? ok, that explains it all no point to read all the other stuff.
_And the award for longest RUclips comment ever goes to......_
NOOO Melony!! I miss the mask 😭
The fact that you said you enjoyed the film makes your lengthy comment does not matter.
I found this movie enjoyable, and I thought it was better than TFA. I would agree that it’s the best movie since Empire. Not my absolute favorite at the moment, but I liked it.
A lot of really great moments and sequences in the movie (My favorites being Luke talking with Yoda, Kylo Ren killing Snoke and fighting the guards, and Luke’s death with the Binary Sunset theme.)
Overall, I expected a very VERY vocal minority of people to hate the film (they never really give valid reasons, they just say “Disney’s ruining Star Wars, like they forget Attack of the Clones is a movie)-
A big part of the Sequels' avid haters are Prequel fans who grew in the 90s and 00s. They think that by overstating the faults of these movies, they can validate their preferences and by extension their whole childhood.
I personally didn't enjoy a lot of the movie but I'm happy to see this positive outlook on the movie and in the comments section. It's a breath of fresh air. Happy a lot of you loved the movie :)
*spoiler warning*
In my viewing, when Holdo does her sacrificial hyperspace-jump, the entire packed theater went *dead* silent. And then, from the very front, one guy just says, "Daaaaaaamn."
I love snoke died at the hand of the Skywalker lightsaber
THE FRIENDLY GAMER still think he should’ve died in 9
Snoke was wasted. Literally and figurative. Thank god Palpatine is returning, as Kylo vs Rey (we've seen Rey win against him already) was putting many people off going to see it.
So you think its good Rian decided it was a brillaint idea to kill snoke without explaining him what so ever?
@@MarforSonOfLucifer Palpatine returning is really just terrible since it undos anakins sacrifice.
@@jonathanfletcher6509 Not anymore considering it has been confirmed that he is a clone in TROS. Disney basically copied the Dark Empire comic.
I loved this movie. Every minute of it. Didn't mind too much the cantina scene. Loved Mark Tamil as luke. Loved the acting from everyone. Including Carrie fisher's amazing final performance. Loved snoke. His death was satisfying and the build up to it was great. Everything after that was great especially that fight between rey kylo and those guards. Loved the space battles. Loved the visuals. The effects both practical and cgi were amazing. Visually the movie looked beautiful. The story worked for me. The action scenes worked for me. Yoda was fantastic. My jaw dropped at all the film's biggest moments. An original star wars movie written very well. The characters are emotionally strong as well as likeable. The emotional weight was there and it works. The twists were good. Loved captain phasma. Loved her fight with finn. Loved the humor. Rian Johnson did a solid job. Loved it. Loved this movie.
I didn't like the Cantina scene at all, but I agree with everything else you've stated. This movie was a much needed breath of fresh air for the saga.
You literally must be on crack anyone who knows anything about Star Wars knows that it's a shit movie
Excuse him for liking a movie?
@roggie77777: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Personally, I love every Star Wars movie, although Episodes 1 and 2 are kind of hard to sit through.
When I first saw The Last Jedi - I could understand why people hated on it so much. It went in directions that people didn't expect, and some didn't really want. That being said, I LOVED pretty much all of the twists in the movie. I do agree with most people that the Canto Bight stuff was pretty unnecessary though.
SPOILERS:
Luke's death: I loved the way Rian Johnson handled the passing of Luke Skywalker (which I know is an unpopular opinion). The whole point of Luke's force projection thing is to buy the resistance time to escape. It was never going to be about going out in a blaze of glory like many people expected/wanted. Isn't the whole point of the Jedi to be the peacekeepers of the Galaxy and of the Force? Luke did something that nobody had ever done (as far as we know) at that extreme of a level. How much more of a Jedi can he be? I loved the imagery of Luke becoming one with the Force with the sunset in the background, it was a beautiful callback to the original Star Wars. People are angry about Luke just disappearing into the force peacefully, although they seem to forget that Yoda basically did the same thing in Return of the Jedi, nobody seemed to have a problem with that though.
Luke's Cowardice: This also brings up the complaint that Luke is a coward who went into hiding, when he does literally the same thing Yoda and Obi-Wan did at the end of Revenge of the Sith. They failed to see evil right under their nose, and it came out and destroyed the Jedi Order, which is what Ben Solo did. The difference is that Luke actually did see the evil and was about to hastily act on it, but then was caught with his lightsaber lit and the rest is history. Luke was ashamed of what he let happen, and felt like the galaxy would be better off without him, and without the Jedi as a whole. People say that Luke wouldn't pull out his lightsaber like that, but it wasn't the first time he let his emotions get the best of him. Remember Return of the Jedi, when Luke was beating the living hell out of Darth Vader? He let his anger get the best of him for a few moments, but he stopped and realized what he was doing and fought against it. The same thing happened with Ben Solo, Luke just realized it too late.
Snoke's Death: This was beyond satisfying, Snoke always felt like a placeholder for when Kylo would eventually take over as Supreme Leader. I think this actually makes Snoke a bit more interesting because it makes you question, who the hell was that guy? He was obviously very powerful with the Force because he threw Rey around like a rag doll, and then to just get killed off so easily. Who is he? What's his story? I have a feeling that more will be learned about him in Episode IX through some kind of backstory. I think the point is that the Force is always looking for balance, there's never not going to be a sith, it has to remain balanced, which is why Snoke appeared. The Force chose him to balance out the light.There may be lulls where there are more light side force users than darksiders, but eventually it balances back out.
Rey and Ben: Going into the movie, I thought that one of the major characters would switch sides or something. I got that, for like 5 minutes. Ben Solo kills Snoke unexpectedly and briefly fights the Praetorian Guards alongside Rey, which was an amazingly awesome fight scene. For a moment I thought, "Okay so is Ben a good guy now?" I really liked when Ben basically turns back into Kylo Ren and asks Rey to join him and rule the galaxy together. It shows that maybe Ben Solo isn't redeemable after all. The only nitpick I have is that Rey doesn't seem to be really tempted even a little bit to join the dark side, she just immediately tells Ben to not go that way. Other than that, this was a really great scene.
Rey's Parents: I don't have much to say about this one because I find this to be the least interesting major character detail. That being said, I like the subversion of expectations, and I like the message. I think it's a much better message that someone can come into power and make a name for themselves coming from nothing, rather than having to be born into it. Much like Snoke, I think the Force chose Rey to balance things out. This is actually in line with the whole thing from Attack of the Clones about Jedi not being allowed to love, because how else do they procreate? I guess the idea is that the Force chooses people to be force-sensitive, and that's how the Jedi Order found new Jedi.
The kid with the broom: Pretty much the only real reason why Canto Bight is in the movie, at the very end of the film you see a force-sensitive kid use the Force to grab a broom. This goes along with what I said about the Force choosing people to be force-sensitive. With the passing of Luke Skywalker, and there really only being two Jedi remaining (Ben and Rey), the galaxy needs new ones.
Canto Bight: Okay, so this is pretty much the only thing I didn't like about the movie. I don't think it's necessarily god-awful, it's just unnecessary. The movie is 2h 31m, cut out most of the Canto Bight stuff and it's not quite as much of a chore to sit through. Finn and Rose's plan fails, and I think that may have been kind of a meta point on the part of Rian Johnson. Not all grand plans succeed, and that may have been the point. If it was, they didn't illustrate it very well. Like I said, the main payoff for the whole Finn and Rose trip to Canto Bight is the kid with the broom at the end of the film. I really felt like Finn was wasted as a character in this film, he was such a big part of TFA, and then he becomes kind of a side character in TLJ. His story could have been much more meaningful and powerful if he had been allowed to sacrifice himself like the film teased for a moment, but then Rose had to fly into him and ruin it... She made it worse with a really forced kiss that I think Finn was even surprised by.
Leia and Poe: I thought the whole flyboy Poe thing was kind of cliche, but it was fine since we knew what Poe was like because of how he acted in TFA. I also loved how we finally got to see Leia use the Force, although admittedly it looked kind of silly.
Overall, Star Wars: The Last Jedi is a very solid film, the pacing is a little iffy because of the Canto Bight stuff, but the good moments are just too good.
I found comedy in Luke "cockblocking" Kylo and Rey in the hand touching scene XD
I didn't even like the movie and yet hearing you guys gush over it and show your passion just puts a smile on my face. That's why you guys are my favorite RUclips channel. It's just nice watching you guys discuss whatever.
I’m so glad you guys enjoyed the movie
This movie was intense, impossible to predict ANYTHING, Beautiful, YODA, TWO SONS and it had the saddest scene in Star Wars at the end, I loved it, it’s the best one after Empire Strikes Back
That's bull dude
I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT TLJ IS THE BEST AFER TESB!!!
I think the movie had some of the best scenes in Star Wars ever, and I do appreciate that the whole theme of the movie was basically anyone can be a hero--it's not about your lineage or your upbringing or your training, etc--but I did have some issues with some of the finer details of the plot and some of the moments made me kinda cock my head and go, huh, REALLY? But I'm seeing it again to see if I might have missed anything and I look forward to seeing it again.
Sickle Weed No it didn't
Adrian Nallane ??? No it didn't what?
Sickle Weed it wasn’t good.
The whole lore of Star Wars mirrors the idea of real life: “if you’re going to be good at something, you have to hone your craft and train”.
You may have great potential, but that doesn’t mean you’re gonna be a fantastic athlete if you never train. You’ll never be a great musician if you never practice.
This new saga squashed that. You can be anything by nothing. Rey is powerful because of no reason other than the mythos that of Ben gets more powerful, she directly gets more powerful. That’s ridiculous.
She’s only picked up a saber in a manner of two weeks tops? And she’s able to force beat Kylo, yet struggles against the Protarian Guards, yet cant control her lightsaber and Snoke smacks her in the back of the head with it...yet she can also life tons of boulders at the end with no strain...?
So either Kylo and Rey are no threats to anyone, or they’re just unrealistic and inaccurate.
That’s one of my biggest issues with what they’re doing with the Force and trying to make their power believable. It’s not.
It would make sense if she were powerful due to a bloodline like Skywalker or Kenobi.
What doesn’t make sense is to be unnaturally powerful by not having to be a steward of her gifts.
Luke in the Extended Universe:
- Elected one of the Representatives of the New republic
- Rebuilds the Jedi Order on Yavin, trains awesome new Jedi like Kyle Katarn
- Defeats multiple empire remnant leaders like Grand Admiral Thrawn with the help of his friends
- Not only defeats the Emperor's super hot and empowered personal assassin, Mara Jade, whose last orders were to kill Luke at all costs, but also turns her to the light and FUCKING
MARRIES her creating the coolest space couple ever
- Has children with her who along with Han and Lea's kids spawn an entire new generation of interesting and impactful characters
- Fights off dozens of new and interesting villains like the Yu'zonn Vong, an invading race from an entirely different galaxy who can hide from the Force making a new and interesting
dynamic, Lumia the Sith who uses a lightwhip like a bad-ass and turns one of the Solo kids into one of the most powerful Sith ever, and a reincarnation of one of the goddamn founders
of the Sith order on Korriban
- Overall, grows to be an amazingly powerful and wise character who grew from a farm-boy to the last hope of the galaxy to the courageous hero everyone in all of the galaxy knows they
can count on and will always be there for them.
Luke in the disney movies:
- is a grumpy-ass hermit virgin who ran away from all his problems, abandoned his friends, dint give a fuck that Han died or Lea is in danger, forgot all the lessons he learned, and drinks not-blue milk from weird alien titties.
FUCK YOU DISNEY
Fans that were deeply invested in the EU will probably never like the sequel movies. But for the rest of us who only watched the movies, none of this is a problem.
Loved the movie. A few minor quibbles having to do with Luke and still more underutilized Phasma, but not enough to kill my enjoyment of the movie. Will absolutely see it multiple times in theater.
ShadowCat that’s an exaggeration, Phasma did almost literally nothing
Wipeout325 That’s what I said. She was underutilized. That means they didn’t use her much.
Well at least she'll somehow be in the last one. Finn needs to beat her in order to complete his arc.
She will probably return in Episode 9
ShadowCat please don’t give Disney any more money for this shit film
I think the move is worthy of a rewatch in theaters in my opinion
My jaw dropped when Leia the Force! I thought the shot where they ram the ship into the other ship with hyperspace jump, the death of snork (or however you say his name) was badass! Luke was great.
I don't care what "fans~" say, it was a blast of a film and I'd see it 5 more times if i could!
RIP luke skywalker, you perished the way you came into our hearts, staring at a twin sunset
Finally! Finally! They finally use the Force well in a Star Wars movie!
Honestly, the only thing I didn't like about this film was how they handled Phasma AGAIN. Seriously I was on board with her coming back after reading the Phasma book, and they immediately killed her. Sucks man.
She’d LITERALLY boba fett lol, it hurts
Lol she got boba’d
New Gen Nerd Is she dead?
JPQ Stevens I guess so, she did fall into a large explosion. Who knows, maybe her armour could protect her? Probably not though, just wishful thinking.
16:54 "She is the Son of Anakin Skywalker too" I legit lol'd at that lol
OK SHORT & SWEET - All Johnson had to do was tell us that Rey was the lost daughter of Luke's and her mother died tragically on the island (Luke standing at her grave in TFA) when Kylo & The Knights of Ren took the place down. Luke freaks out at the death of his wife with little Rey screaming, panics AND WIPES HER MEMORY and sends little Rey to Jakku with Lorne Sen Tekka (on that ship) with his Jedi USB and R2 (turned off) with the other half go the map and drops him off with Leia. Meanwhile - Kylo & The Knights of Ren joined Snoke & built the first order together as a one big gang of bad asses. TFA ends as it does perfectly setting it all up. NOW CUE TLJ - Luke and Rey reunite after all these years crazy emotional scene - he begins her training, at the tree they both meet Yoda ghost together, form a plan, hook up with Leia, Chewy, R2 & 3P0, board the Falcon like old times (classic shot of all of them) and sneek onto Snokes ship and take them all out in a blaze of glory. Snoke kills Leia in front of everyone and Luke saves everyone else by sacrificing himself with the most bad ass force move seen in any SW film. Rey & Kylo have it out - he realizes she is his cousin. Everyone watches it and Kylo pulls a fast move & escapes into space in his ship, followed by an injured Snoke and a few remaining bad guys.
ROLL CREDITS EVERYONE CHEERS AND FREAKS OUT BRING ON IX!
IX - 3 years pass - Rey, Finn & Poe reform the Rebellion with new blood, get a hint where Kylo & Snoke are hiding and then go after them. But before that - Rey gets a visit from Obi Wan (ewan), Anakin (hayden) & LUKE. They teach her some new moves and tell her that a new age of Jedi are being born around the galaxy (the little broom boy etc) Rey sets out to discover some of these kids, forms her OWN GANG and along the way she runs into LANDO, he heard about Leais death and hans passing, Chewy hugs Lando and gives him the DICE from the Falcon (tie its origin in SOLO) Lando is almost in tears. He helps them get to Snokes hiding place. They arrive and confront Kylo & the remaining Knight of Wren & an army of troopers. Massive battle ensues and it ends up In front of Snoke in classic SW style, Rey goes for him hard & has to choose to save her cousin from the clutches of Snoke and turn him good. We see Kylo turn to look at Snoke freeze holding Rey with force lighting - all of a sudden Kylo get a message from Leia ghost appears in silent to him "Mother!?" and she gives him the courage and love to turn her son to the light - HE TURNS AND GRABS TWO SABRES & SLICES SNOKE IN HALF. He picks up Rey and they all bolt together before the whole place lights up in flames.
Cue drone shot end scene of the whole gang at Reys new school on the island celebrating. Shot of Luke, Obi Wan, Anakin, Oui Gon, Yoda AND LEIA! A New Order of Jedi is born!
ROLL CREDITS EVERYONE CHEERS!!!! GO MAKE FRESH NEW STORES OF THE FORCE!!!
NOW SELL LOTS OF TOYS & STOP FUCKING WITH STAR WARS YOU DISNEY HACKS!
667 dislikes... I don't know what the 'True fans' hate more, The Last Jedi, or people who LIKE the Last Jedi.
either way it's pretty pathetic.
Nice to hear positive opinions on a movie which at this point I feel is victim to the most hyperbolic hate in media history.
Luke could have taken a shit for 2 hours and you would call it groundbreaking.
My main issue is that there was so little pay-off for anything they ever set-up for this trilogy. Rey's parents? Nope. Snoke's identity? Nope. End of the Jedi? Nope. A character turning to the other side? Nope. Rey's dark side? Nope. Finn's growth from running away to running toward? Almost, but noped by Rose. Finn and Rose's mission? Nope. Phasma importance? Nope. etc, etc, etc. In the end, I feel there was a whole lot of nothings and nopes in the movie than there were satisfying answers. Its lore was empty and fruitless. Luke said it wouldn't go the way we expect, so we expect the unexpected, and in the end it goes the expected route. I felt... unsatisfied with what the movie gave me.
And I'm fine with a few nopes, but there was just way too many "nopes".
Onky pretty dissapointed in phasma
I remember following up on you guys occasionally last year, and subscribing for Avatar and RWBY...but it was your TFA Trailer Discussion that made me become a patron and really look at the content you've created. Like...mad respect. Your Star Wars fan film was awesome
The water from Kylo was supposed to show that there can be some physical interaction when using force projections, therefore hinting at Luke's force projection.
Rey’s parents aren’t anybody. Smoke and Luke basically tell us...
Ben was a raw power from the force, and leaned heavily towards the dark. Snoak was also heavily dark. Luke was the force of light. The force had to try and balance the equation, so Rey was born strong with the force. It doesn’t matter who her parents are. She is the balance for Kylo. They are both full of light and dark, but each have tenancies toward one side. That is why Rey exists. ...to balance the force. I totally believe her parents were just junkers. If they’re not, and they really are “someone”, that’s ok too. But it’s the nature of the universe... for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Balance.
Kelly Pagano thats exactly correct thank you for writing this so i didnt have to
I like this theory👍🏼
xmeany but 100% accurate. So stfu
xmeany its 100% accurate tho
Xmeany why are you lashing out? They are right this is factual and supported by commentary within the movie itself.
So glad you guys loved the film. So much of people's disappointment with the film is the fact that everyone's theories got nuked. You guys had as many theories as anyone and you're totally fine with the fact that the film was able to avoid those while also setting up something new/impressive. Great stuff.
lakerguy2432 I never made or support any Snoke's theory and i am dissapointed anyway.... like many people
No, many people are disappointed because the movie has so many plot holes and inaccuracies it hurts. I laughed at people that said Disney was ruining Star Wars but now? I am 100% sure of it.
@@tommasorucci4088 We'll miss you.
Watched and loved every minute of this, so awesome to see people who felt exactly the same as me about this, loved it and loved this video thanks guys, true fans talking about a true Star Wars experience.
Honestly, IF Rey's parents are "somebodies" it'll completely ruin not only the story but the whole purpose of her character. I was relieved to hear she's just a dumpster baby.
The movie was amazing! Best part was the death of Snoke and Rey and Kylo Ren fighting the royal guards
Pffff, bad movie and bad choregraphy (especially when they'r fight the royal guards) xD
I just appreciate you guys geeking out about this movie. It's a refreshing change from all the complaining out there.
When i saw that kid at the end looking at the stars i instantly got the feeling of Anakin from Episode 1 looking at the stars with Qui-Gon Jinn
this movie had multiple moments that COULD'VE made me cry, but GOD DAMN YODA. that was the only time in the movie where i shed 2 tears. i was so happy.
I loved this movie. I am just afraid that this movie is gonna divide the fanbase even more then it already is. EDIT: I am gonna add that people can dislike or like this movie, but let's just respect each other's opinion and not attack each other because we have a different opinion.
Last Jedi defenders: please explain these following scenes, and how they are 'great'.
1. Poe and co not getting sucked out into space when they let Leia in after the Poppins scene.
2. The absolute idiocy of the bombers. (Three of four got destroyed by HALF a tie fighter crashing into one of them.
2.5. Apparently all ships in the universe travel at the same speed, and cannot escape or catch up with another.
3. Canto Byte.
4. The comedy. (It was meh)
5. Rose crashing into Finn's speeder and then saying "That's how we are going to win: not fighting what we hate, saving what we love," as the whole resistance *dies* behind her. (officially the worst line in the whole saga as of now)
6. How the living *fu@k* did Finn pull Rose all the way across the salt dunes without the AT-ACT's seeing them and shooting them to death.
7. Light-speed crash. (It was cool, but why don't the rebels just make dense ships and crash them into the Death Star in the past?)
8. Captain Phasma and Snoke were wasted completely.
9. Everyone is happy in the Falcon at the end, despite everyone they knew being dead and there being only 12 members of the resistance left.
10. Rey can swim, despite living on Jakku (a **desert planet**) all of her life.
11. Rey can get a triple kill with the Falcon's guns with her first ever shot, despite never having flew or shot it before.
12. Rey beating Luke, the Jedi Master, after having no training. Also, besting Snoke's guards when even Kylo struggled.
13. Luke senses a bit of darkness in his Nephew (the son of his BEST FRIEND) and goes to kill him, despite having turned the most evil man in the galaxy to the light side because he thought there was good in him.
14. Porgs.
15. Mark Hamill himself said that he hates what they have done with the film and his character.
16. Finally, the 40% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
17. The Political Messages all through the film.
18. Why didn't Holdo tell anyone the plan? You could say that there was a mole, but the moment she started fueling the transports then any potential mole would have KNOWN the plan. (Dumb)
Please get back to this comment and these points, I am genuinely curious to why you like it. :)
Very good. Now go find all the flaws in the OT and get back to us.
@@pr0_gabby656 Which flaws exactly? I'm not a staunch OT defender, but the first three films introduced the wider public to a new universe. Lucas didn't have to explain *everything* as they were brand new.
TLJ tears down the already existing lore and attempts to add "interesting" ideas, but it failed spectacularly.
@@MarforSonOfLucifer Unacceptable. Everything has flaws. Start with A New Hope. Find every plot hole, every character issue and every special effect SNAFU. I want the same sized list for every other Star Wars movie.
@@pr0_gabby656 Well how about you answer my questions first, and i'll consider it.
"Special effect flaws?"
Mate, ANH came out in the 1970's.
There is *no* need to differentiate people into _good_ TLJ bashers and _bad_ TLJ defenders. It is just a movie and these guys happened to enjoy the movie. Doesn't mean they have to think it is perfect, they clearly explained their faults with the film too.
For example, Eric asked why didn't Holdo tell her plan and he questioned the Holdo maneuver. Watch the video before commenting.
And a movie doesn't have to 100% adhere to perfect realism in order to be enjoyable. You have go give Star Wars movies a benefit of the doubt with realism: Han Solo and Leia on the small asteroid stayed alive without any space suits, Han Solo and Leia made to Bespin sub light speed when it would have taken decades to get there with that speed, the concept of light speed travelling itself being rigged because of relativity; Luke would be an old guy after the first jump Han and Leia take without him. How can you possibly enjoy those previous movies now that they too have many things that you have to just shut your eyes off from?
These are only movies meant for entertainment and not be taken so passively aggressively serious :)))))). Especially since this specialized scrutiny (which would also rip apart the old movies) toward TLJ was learned from channels who make a living out of adhering to older people's childhood's and bashing the newer ones.
Thank you guys for this, I don’t get why everyone’s hating on this I absolutely loved it and now my 13 year old daughter is a huge Star Wars fan-mission accomplished. May the Force be with you! 😃😁
I enjoyed the film a lot. My only personal gripes were Rey abruptly leaving Luke when he was willing to teach her. Just to save Ben? I don’t think Ben was in such immediate danger that he couldn’t be redeemed at a later point. She went on a suicide mission on her own because she was so sure she could save him and they would duo defeat everyone on the ship... ok.
That led to a major continuity issue because Ben essentially takes a nap and Rey is able to escape off screen and get back on the falcon? How and when? Did I miss something?
Second point was Ben saving Rey yet not wanting to redeem himself. He said he wants the old ways to end on both sides but then basically takes up Snoke’s original mission to destroy the rebellion. He didn’t seem willing to kill the first order to achieve his vision of wiping the slate clean. So what exactly changed since his original motive under Snoke?
16:53 - He just called Leia the "SON" of Anakin Skywalker. When did Leia became a male? LOL!
Christian Maracle are u assuming gender in 2017?!!!!?!!??! Lol
Damn beat me to it!
I feel totally devastated . No wonder Mark Hamill hated it :(
He warned us, we should've listened him.
He never said it.
He likes it now, lol
SJCookiEzZ Of course he fucking hated it. Anyone with eyes and ears can see that this script is a total catastrophe to anyone that cares about Star Wars. Rian Johnson will go down as the director that finished Star Wars.
Man, you Star Wars fans are toxic as hell its unbelievable. Can't be pleased with anything. Force Awakens releases - JJ Abrams is a copycat, Episode 7 is rehash of A New Hope, Disney ruined Star Wars!!
Now after The Last Jedi - Rian Johnson ruined my childhood, its too different now, not 'Star Warsy enough'! Well, what do you want then??
I watched this last night and it was AMAZING. The shot with the AT-M6 walkers with the sunset behind them looking at Luke was awesome
Biggest letdowns in the movie. Snoke and Luke Skywalker. They f**ked Luke's character over so much.