2 things Haldo never knew about the hyperspace tracking she physical thought there was a First Order mole on-board And Finn sacrifice would have done nothing to the canon his fighter was already breaking apart the Cannon would have fired either way
Yeah... like anyone would willingly want to watch that thing again in full length. Good one xd @@dogsteeves1 Thats why she suspected that the guy who blew up starkiller base / their best pilot is a mole? Makes peeeerfect sense /s And her crashing into Finn at full speed )and possibly killing him in the process) was ok just so she can sexually harass the poor guy was a good idea huh? Tell me again how did they magically teleported awat from the front of ATATs and the cannon back to the base huh? there was no place for them to run or hide. Also if his sacrifice would do nothing at all - that only proves that Finn was a fucking idiot.
I really wish they didn’t cut out the extra scene with Fin and Phasma. Where Fin told the troopers about her cowardice and betrayal on starkiller. Which is followed by her display of blaster skills. You know, her actually doing something.
How about luke morning hans death and the transition with Leia then to Kylo Ren? Reys whole 3rd lesson being sliced out? The extended mission on snokes ship with Finn Rose and DJ? All 3 of these sequences are key points in the film and add tension and emotion where they are none.
@@justme7625 For what it's worth, that Finn vs Phasma scene was changed (and hastily reshot) to the final (inferior) movie version on Colin Trevorrow's request, because it conflicted with something in his script for Ep 9.
cole schubert to be fair all those “key elements” being deleted from the movie was poignant enough to make it more focused and shortened. And the supposedly “Rey’s 3rd lesson” being deleted was logical enough due to the fact that much later on the reason why Rey left the island was bc she believed that Ben could be turned and to found out later that she was wrong. She left Luke and everything that he warned her for just for that slightest mere of hope. And that plot thread alone was very much enough of the 3rd lesson that was promised and was much more fitting to the whole thematic of the whole movie. The lesson wasn’t a literal schooling like the previous two of what Luke did, it was done by the reality itself
As much as I have my complaints with the TLJ, always love seeing other people's opinion, especially you guys. This video was a suprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Not all Disney Star Wars was bad, I enjoyed the force awakens, I loved rogue one, rebels, and the mandalorian. I haven’t seen Resistance, and think solo wasn’t terrible and could have come off better if it had a good sequel or two to continue/tie up the stories and loose ends it had. Lots of the comics and books have been good, and fallen order was awesome. But the last Jedi and rise of Skywalker, I just couldn’t enjoy them save a few small scenes. There were multiple parts of the movies and novels that contradict the other films, including the force awakens, and the only consistent theme is that all that Luke leia and Han worked for and the rise fall and redemption of Anakin were all for nothing, and this new group will save the day with less resources, a smaller army, no Jedi masters, and a less experienced less force potential Jedi aspirant. Han grows up from being a rogue and becomes a husband and father and general? Nope, leaves leia, gives up on son, now an older less talented rogue. Leia brings back the republic and defeat the empire with a multi planet rebellion and train her force sensitivity and become a wife and mother? Nope, republic didn’t stop the first order and is gone, Resistance is a smaller weaker version of rebellion, never became a master because she was pregnant, Han left her and her son became Vader 2.0. Luke never ever gives up on his family and will bring back the Jedi, be there for leia, and protect the galaxy? Nope, Luke gave up on Ben, for a split second, but that was enough for Ben to lose faith in him and turn fully to snoke, gave up on the Jedi right after his failure with Ben, abandoned his sister, and the galaxy. Anakin redeemed himself by finally fulfilling the prophecy and killing sidious? Nope, rise of skywalker trailer says otherwise. Anakin was the chosen one, his natural force potential unmatched by any, even the ones, except for his own children, and only by losing so many limbs and with it much of his force potential was palpatine able to stay more powerful, as even by his own admission, a fully trained skywalker in 1 piece will outgrow both himself and yoda. Yet his grandson, a boy who was so powerful even Luke admitted his natural power, and was trained for at least a decade in the light and dark side, is somehow not dominating a young aspirant Jedi with a decade less training and less force potential.
Renegade Shep loves his M-6 Carnifex Hand Cannon the prequels are actually good bad writing at times but atleast they don’t have stupid ass shit that retcons half the star wars lore like the sequels
Yoda was really trying to give Anakin an apprentice to allow him to learn to let go of attachment. To realize that at one point Ahsoka will have to go through the Jedi trials and separate from Anakin. So in a way, yes, Yoda was trying to teach the same lesson.
This is why I love Blind Wave. Even when they have criticisms they don’t just devolve into “Ewww Disney bad they ruined muh childhood!” They’re calm and collected, and are willing to argue the opposite sides.
Exactly. Liking or disliking a movie is personal preference but having a clear head while explaining your take is the real maturity. Which these guys clearly exhibit. I love most of the movie but many don't and as long as we don't hate each other as people over that , it's part of being a fan,else it resembles culthood
Is that to imply that there's a legitimate argument *for* the sequel trilogy? Literally the only logical conclusion is to admit that they're mediocre movies with bad writing and even worse written characters.
@@xXscreamingkoalaXx When arguing about a Star Wars movie? Really? People have lives outside of it and nobody has unlimited time to argue about a flying space princess.
My best friend is like that too, he is the biggest Star Wars nerd in existence, so much as that he could recite episodes 3-6 in both German and english word for word a year after episode 3 came out, he has every piece of film, series and game of sw too
The movie said that Kylo Ren turned Evil because he felt Luke betrayed but I personally believe he turned because he was named BEN FUCKING SOLO. Even by star war standard that a stupid name, he probably turned evil just so he can change his name.
This movie is such an odd experience for me. The Kylo/Snoke/Rey/Luke stuff is just... awesome. Seriously, 9/10 for me. But then everything else is like... 2 or 3/10. This movie bounces between some of the best Jedi/Force stuff in the series, to some of the most absolutely unnecessary and superfluous plotlines in the entire series.
Right? All the kylo/luke/snoke/rey with all the force and jedi stuff I really loved. All the other stuff, the canto bight scenes, basically the finn and rose subplot I really did not care for
You basically sum my thoughts on this movie man. Thats why when people ask me if i like or dislike tlj, i cant give them a straight answer. Coz theres stuff i absolutely love, and stuff not so much.
I hated this movie but after seeing Rick's view and reaction I have come to part ways with my hatred for this movie. Hatred is the path to the dark side. No more.
Shoutout to you guys for having a mature rational discussion about this movie its extremely refreshing to see on youtube, I've watched your guys previous videos from time to time and love yall energy but never subscribed until now keep doin yall thing 👍
Conor Murphy, no it’s the fact that they aren’t acting like people who dislike this film are the alt-right, and they actually give very genuine criticism in the video so I haven’t a clue what you’re on about.
questions? why did luke leave a tracker to his location in episode 7, only to ask why they came to his island? what about snoke and the rule of 2? what about how the holdo maneuver breaks starwars? (x-wings in OT had lightspeed) why could't 1 star destroyer light speed a little bit ahead and intercept the fleet? why didn't holdo tell poe the plan, this is a volunteer army, so he has a right to know. this isn't the 1st order where you only follow orders and don't ask questions. how did leia survive space without training? is she was trained, why didn't she train kylo, that type of skill surviving space shows a vast amount of skill. Rey has never lost in a fight. she has never trained. (staff and lightsaber completely different things) when rey falls into the dark side cave, how does she know how to swim? she spent most of her life in a desert planet. (could of been a cool trail) Luke would never kill a family member. that destroys return of the jedi arc. Vader was genocidal maniac, but ben solo had not done anything wrong yet. why not call leia and han to address this together? if snoke is so powerful, how could he not feel the lightsaber right next to him being moved by the force, he felt it when rey did it. i can find you a chunky list why i don't like this movie. it sucks that legit criticisms by fans are ignored. only to be called by last jedi lovers and rian johnson "racists, sexists, godless, hate filled people." Maybe, just maybe, we love starwars too. and want better storytelling. take some time to consider the other side. i would recommend Redletter Media's review, or Maulers review.
Schwanzus Longus, I call your comment a lack of an ability to understand that people can like things you don’t like and be perfectly valid in their opinions on that said thing.
Space V the movies been out for 2 years, I don’t wanna hear the same opinions about how it’s trash. Like u can express ur opinion but stop saying the exact same shit u said for 2 years straight.
Wasn't a huge fan of it. Thought it was meh. But then again, I was never huge Star Wars fan, so I didn't get triggered like many die hard star wars fans who bitch about everything. Mostly judged as a movie like I do any other. I definitely found this as a better movie than Rise of Skywalker
Thats not why I don’t like this trilogy. In fact I’m ok watching Force Awakens. I think that was a great movie that had potential... and then this movie that was made by a guy who didn’t care much for Star Wars. I liked this one when it came out but then after time of thinking about the movie it’s not in my top I’ll tell you that. There are parts of this movie that I did enjoy tho. I like the opening with Poe and Hux. It was funny. But the fact that Luke, the guy who saw good in his dad who killed millions and was one of the most evil people ever, had the small thought of killing his nephew after having a split second thought Once again. There are parts that I like. But there’s also the bad. Good with the bad. And for me. The bad slightly overweighs the good (I want to point out. I love Mark Hamills acting when he does the flash back tho. It gives me chills everytime and it gets me emotional. I know that doesn’t make sense with me saying I didn’t like it but I just like Mark Hamill)
blue_pearl_22 pretty sure is was due to narrative/lore inconsistency, illogical plot holes, pointless scenes, radical changes to beloved characters....
I really enjoyed your guys reaction and discussion to this film. I'm not a fan of this film, but I'll always be down to watch others react to it with an honest opinion. It's wonderful for me to see the different viewpoints and the reasoning behind it. I'm hoping that maybe some decisions in Episode IX will lead me to appreciate this film better. I'm fine not liking this movie, but it won't make me stop loving Star Wars! Thanks for the awesome reaction guys!!
I too hope that its good. Its been very hit or miss with Disney and Star Wars. They should honestly focus on more original character stories like The Mandalorian and Rogue One, they're so much better than the mainline movies they've been putting out.
questions? why did luke leave a tracker to his location in episode 7, only to ask why they came to his island? what about snoke and the rule of 2? what about how the holdo maneuver breaks starwars? (x-wings in OT had lightspeed) why could't 1 star destroyer light speed a little bit ahead and intercept the fleet? why didn't holdo tell poe the plan, this is a volunteer army, so he has a right to know. this isn't the 1st order where you only follow orders and don't ask questions. how did leia survive space without training? is she was trained, why didn't she train kylo, that type of skill surviving space shows a vast amount of skill. Rey has never lost in a fight. she has never trained. (staff and lightsaber conpletely different things) when rey falls into the dark side cave, how does she know how to swim? she spent most of her life in a desert planet. (could of been a cool trail) Luke would never kill a family member. that destroys return of the jedi arc. Vader was genocidal maniac, but ben solo had not done anything wrong yet. why not call leia and han to address this together? if snoke is so powerful, how could he not feel the lightsaber right next to him being moved by the force, he felt it when rey did it. i can find you a chunky list why i don't like this movie. it sucks that legit criticisms by fans are ignored. only to be called by last jedi lovers and rian johnson "racists, sexists, godless, hate filled people." Maybe, just maybe, we love starwars too. and want better storytelling. take some time to consider the other side. i would recommend Redletter Media's review, or Maulers review.
The 20 somethings who grew up with the gritty and dark Clone Wars tv show and 3rd prequel think that is what all Star Wars should be, but forget 2/3 of the prequel trilogy was just as corny and cheesy as the OT, and even Revenge of the Sith had some corny ass shit too
@@dachshund_gaming Why does corniness mean things can't be serious? I think TESB was fairly serious. Even ANH, to me, is fairly straight laced. ROTJ, I think is the goofier of the bunch, but I think even that has more serious elements. And TPM and AOTC, for all the goofier elements (Gungans and 50's diner), I think is also fairly serious, (again exception being Jar-Jar and such).
That's not true it can be serious and complicated and good while retaining some comedy, it doesnt have to be a congealed blob of plot holes and nonsensicalness. This is not a star wars movie it's a movie about people with the force and lightsabers and it happens in space.
8:14 The interesting fact about THAT particular scene is that she was actually imitating Kylo Ren's training moves, because he was using his saber the same time she was. Would have been nice to have seen that and not given that lame excuse Rian gave us about ''wanting to show the audience that they could see each other''....we already knew that from the FIRST time they saw each other! ....and for the record the idea of using the Force bond was a nice touch in TLJ since THAT particular idea had yet to be used *in the movies* ! The one thing I *can* say about Star Wars, they've given us good one-liners: ''that isn't how the force works!'' ''I have spoken'', etc. ... 24:33 *You are a Star Wars fan if you LIKE Star Wars* ...thank you I take the good WITH the bad because I've grown up with these movies for decades.
I'm an easy man, i see Star Wars.. i click. I know this movie "divided" the Star wars fandom, but i enjoy every movie, game, series and comics, old or new, and im glad that the new Star Wars content brings new fans into this marvellous universe, childrens that never got interested now they are, i'm just very happy about that, like i said, i am an easy person.
@@derpdadouch3654 I just live in a reality where people enjoy things and don't make big problems because something don't happened in the way they wanted, chill and calm, i enjoy this new trilogy, i enjoy the animated series, i enjoy the mandalorian, and im pretty sure that i'll enjoy the new trilogies and series in the future, isn't a big deal dude
@@alejandrocastrolillo5106 I like you. You're one of the more reasonable people on this comment section that spreads positivity instead of the negativebthings I've seen.
I would disagree that Han wasn’t different in 7, his moment where he talked about the force being real only feet away from the place he initially derided the concept. That was pure magic. Also when he’s telling Finn “people are counting on us, the galaxy is counting on us!” That shows a huge vocal change from the original. I know a lot of the journey is taken in the OT but I don’t believe he made the full journey by the end of RotJ. Going from a self-centred non-believer to someone who considers the welfare of people he doesn’t even know and believes in the Force? I loved that 😊 And I also love this reaction 🤘
A point about the the lack of Force Ghost teachers, one possible explanation about their appearance is *where* they appear. Kenobi appears weakly to Luke for a few seconds on Hoth and then fades. The other 2 times he appears is on Dagobah, a place of power with the Force. Here his Force Ghost appears with clearer blue reception and they can talk for several minutes. He is only a voice in A New Hope and does NOT appear later in ESB when called at Cloud City. Ahch-To is the first Jedi Temple and so is likely one of the strongest places of power with the Force in the galaxy. So here not only can Yoda appear as a Force Ghost, but he can seemingly manifest Force Lightning. Most other places in the galaxy it may only be possible to appear a few seconds at a time (like on Hoth) or not possible at all.
Watching TLJ in theaters was such an emotionally touching experience for me. As someone who's gone through depression and felt like giving up and isolating myself would be better for everyone, Luke's arc spoke to me so much and I hate when people say it ruined his character. For me, it MADE HIM a character I could get behind and fully appreciate. I can't really relate to OT Luke because his issues are massive in scope. I'm never going to have to fight my corrupted-by-evil father and save the universe from a dictatorship while mastering magic powers. It's still a really cool Hero's Journey story and I still love the OT as much as I did when I was a kid, but Luke went through some real human problems in TLJ and watching him overcome them in the end was super empowering for me. I still really love the rest of the movie too and I'm glad Rick walked away feeling positive about it despite his reasonable issues. I hate seeing RUclips full of angry rants and ugliness about this franchise, so to see a few guys just sit down and have a chill talk about the movie for a change is really cool.
Boring and Bland Interesting to hear considering it had semi-opposite effect on me. I was already in a shaky place when I saw the film, but when I saw my hero, the person I always looked up to and aspired to be because of how hopeful he was, how he never wavered from seeing good in people ever when they couldn’t see it in themselves, when I saw him, even for a second or two consider murdering Ben, the child of his sister and best friend, in his sleep because he saw darkness within him... that just made me give up for a good half a year.
Thats really interesting and I agree with you totally B&B. Everyone got angry when Luke considered killing Ben, but thats because their great hero had flaws.They ignore that the Dark Side is not a "one and done"deal.
William Webb I like it when our heroes are shown as flawed because I feel like I can relate more to them that way and I find it shows that nobody is really perfect. But that’s just my opinion
Especially when JJ wanted to tel Rian "manbaby" Johnson where he wanted the story to go but he ignored him intentionally and didn't even want to met with him
Aj Run Nah it was just the dramatic complaints from audiences that 7 was TOO MUCH like the OT that it drove Lucasfilm to make something that subverted your expectations their main goal.
This comment section reminds of the never ending struggle between the light and dark side. Both are right and both are wrong. What I tell you is true, from a certain point of view (;
People just fail to realize that they can like a movie, yet can agree that the movie has terrible storytelling, flawed tone, inconsistencies with previous movies and establied characters and terrible on-the-nose messages. It accually is not that difficult. But once you start defend the accually very obvious crap, because you think you need to in order to defend what you felt while watching the movie, then you just make yourself look like a clown. It accually is not that difficult to understand long established standards of storytelling and filmmaking. And the main argument, that the fans just did not get what they wanted is rather weak compared to those standards. A good movie does indeed not give the audience what they wanted, but usually something that the audience did not know they wanted. TLJ didnt do that, it deliberately didnt care about Star Wars. It just wanted to make a meta-statement about how people consume entertainment, some art-sy idea of a arrogant director. I guess on an art scala it scores a 10, on a movie and storytelling and Star Wars continuation it scores barely a 1.
@@Ahov I am not acting and I dont believe that. Anybody can come in and present their take on how things are and make arguments for why their opinion offers more value compared to mine. My points were that by going off common story standards, the movie is terrible in many ways. Furthermore, by promoting that the movie instead is a masterpiece in all these standards, is a shame to all the stories that have some thought and effort put into them and I rather see more of those instead of more of whatever TLJ was. Thats my whole take on this.
I have such a love-hate relationship with this movie... in the end it's my 3rd least favorite SW movie. But I certainly will not hate on anybody's opinion if they absolutely love it. I'm done arguing about Star Wars... let's just all have fun again
Love these guys (even the others) talk about Star Wars. They pick up on everything so I know that when they give their opinion they are doing it with facts to back it up. So many things that they've pointed out that I had never noticed before which have completely changed my opinion on certain scenes and about certain characters.
Absolutely LOVE watching you guys talk Star Wars!! Your Positive outlook on the series as a whole is genuine and really awesome lol gets me excited and giddy hahaha really reminds me why I am a geek for Star Wars
You guys pretty much feel the same way about this film as me. Love the Luke stuff. Like the Rey/Kylo stuff. The rest is meh. Tone is all over the place.
How come you liked the Luke stuff? That was the biggest turn off for me. Luke is the most hopeful and endearing heroes in film, he was prepared to die to show that his incredibly dark and lost father still had good in him, yet in this he saw darkness in Ben so went as far as to go into his room with the intention of killing him? The two don't seem to match up. He's become this grumpy old man who wants nothing to do with anyone? Rather than staying to try and save Ben? I know people change over time but that just doesn't scan for me, it didn't scan for Mark Hamill either because he said that this was 'his' Luke
@@darthconquerus Mark Hamill has said that he liked this characterization of Luke after actually seeing the film. Luke almost killed Vader in a moment of rage in episode 6. Luke having moments where his emotions take over him aren't out of his character.
@@SethSolomonSputnikSpyglass that was when he (vader) was threatening his sister... Vader new how to push lukes buttons, thats why he lost it for a moment. Ben however never actually threatened anyone and had a bad dream. Luke then attempted the murder of his nephew before ever trying to talk to him like a normal human. In this movie, ben had not actually ever done anything to anyone before luke tried to murder him in his sleep.
@@darthconquerus Luke has always been ready to kill if his sister was in danger. When Vader told Leia would be turned he almost killed Vader. When he saw Kylo blow out Leia of her ship in his vision he had just as twisted thought as in the Second Death Star.
@@kungolaf4499 I don't think those are too comparable - one was in combat against the second worst person in the galaxy who was trying to wind you up, the other would've been in cold blood against your nephew who at that point was still on the light side and asleep. Not to mention Leia at that point was the only thing he had and he needed to protect, whereas his priorities would've shifted by that point to the rest of his family, plus the new Jedi order, he had a lot more responsibility than during the second death star
@@SamuriLemonX18 You won't see his reaction anyway. I guarantee now that he's seen The Last Jedi he'll be going to see TROS with the rest of the crew in theaters.
57:36 I like how "an old man and a dog" could be taken either way. Cause as we all know, Han is Chewie's dog since Chewie outlives all these humans by so much.
Listening to Eric’s point of view in this video really makes me want to rewatch this movie. Since the release of Disney Plus, I binge-watched Episodes I-IV in a weekend, then I caught up on Mandalorian and now I’ve been watching the Clone Wars for the first time along with the Blind Wave Crew, playing Jedi Fallen Order and I’m falling in love with these movies again since I was a kid. I’m genuinely excited to watch the Last Jedi again, I feel like I’m going to see it differently this time.
The thing I love about prequel Yoda is how badass he is and the thing I love about the original trilogy and the newer ones is how fucking hilarious he is
For those who don't know why Luke died, there is video for that and in that video he explains that when Luke uses the force projection (it have a wierd name) which actually kills the Jedi if been used. That's why Kylo had that face cause he also know that Luke sacrifice for rebellion.
I've said this before in discussions with my friends. This is the Luke who did it all alone. Whether by choice or by circumstances, he tried to revive the Jedi and face the darkness virtually alone. The Luke in the Legends books (who I grew up with and have loved his progression), was not allowed to do it alone, which is why he succeeded. Between Jedi masters and students returning to help him, and Leia and Han's involvement and inclusion of him and his academy in the galaxy, and Mara Jade most of all, he was never alone in that timeline. I believe the seeds of both versions of Luke exist in the Return of the Jedi.
I didn't love this movie (I still liked it way more than most people) but this movie made me LOVE Kylo Ren. His ethos of "fuck it, let's just let it all burn and do it over" is so rad. And the fight in the throne room is probably the best Star Wars fight scene.
Secret deleted scene: Yoda: *strikes tree with lightning* Luke: “BuT sAcReD jEdI kNoWlEdGe!” Yoda: “ever heard the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise, have you?”
@@arthurballs7083 it also did so much to undermine the entire trilogy too. went completely back on basically every plot point from tfa & felt the need to start meddling with the original's constructs just to be "what rian wanted", which was divisive. this movie & the tros after it are pure trash.. no one thought these through as a whole and it shows in each film
Foreword: This comment is not meant in any way as something against fans who like "The Last Jedi". I have been a Star Wars fan and collector for most of my life, and as such am quite passionate about it. When the movie first came out, I went to see it in theaters, and at first I liked it. It was only after I took some time to truly process what happened in the film, and went back to see it again that my feelings for it changed. If you like the Last Jedi, I respect your opinion, though I would ask in return that you would also respect the fact that mine comes from a place of wanting to see the films improve and rise to the heights of their much exhaulted predecessors. Also, I loved the prequels ;) All that said, here is a list of the issues that I had in the movie; 1. In the scene where Kylo and the two Tie Fighters head out from the Supremacy to attack the Raddus, in which they do crippling damage to the Resistance, destroying their entire fighter wing, and upper command structure, they retreat to the Supremacy because they can't be covered by the fleet. Rewind back to the beginning of the scene, and as they are flying out of the hanger, you can see HUNDREDS of Tie Fighters in that one hanger of the Supremacy alone, all of which they could have swarmed the Resistance ships with, not to mention the fighters aboard the numberous Star Destroyers accompanying it. 2. The main chase of the film makes zero sense, in that the Resistance ships, suffering from a fuel shortage (which by itself I am perfectly fine with), are chased endlessly through space by the First Order fleet due to the fact that they cannot catch up to them, as their own vessels are slower than the Raddus and it's auxiliaries. Here is my problem with this. I come from the Mitth'raw'nuruodo school of precision hyperspace jumping, and even though those books are not canon anymore, the logic still stands. The First Order existed in one of the most chaotic and rapidly changing parts of space in Star Wars, the Unknown Regions, for almost all of their existence, and would have had to have been at least familiar with precisely calculated hyperspace jumping in order to navigate it, and if they themselves do not have a fuel shortage like their quarry, then all they would need to do is jump a couple of their Star Destroyers just ahead of the Resistance ships, and force a confrontation that would allow their comrades to catch up. 3. Fleet Admiral Akbar was killed off with none of the grandeur that his character deserved. Replace Holdo's divisive character with him in the plot, and the story becomes significantly better. Fleet Admiral Akbar, one of the most battle hardened and experienced tacticians in all of Star Wars, taking the Raddus, turning into the First Order fleet, and uttering a variation on his famous line "It's a Trap", seconds before hyperspace ramming the Supremacy and crippling the First Order fleet, would have been one of the most glorious moments in all of Star Wars, and a truly worthy death for one of the most well known characters in Star Wars. 4. Vice Admiral Holdo's withholding of her plan from Poe resulted in a perfectly reasonable mutiny led by Poe to try and save the ship, and all of the lives onboard it, all over a petty power play of her's to assert her dominance over him, rather than trying to actually be a decent leader, and inspire confidence in those under her command, personal biases and gripes be damned. 5. Holdo simply stands by and watches for the first few minutes as the First Order annihilates the Resistances transports, rather than taking action and attempting to use the Raddus to protect them, even by using the 3 km long vessel to block the incoming fire from the enemy blaster cannons. This results in the deaths of countless Resistance members. 6. When Finn goes to sacrifice himself by crashing into the First Order's ram inorder to try and save the Resistance base, Rose crashes into him at the last second (which by itself could have killed them both), and after crashing into him, justifies it with one if the most idiotic and illogical lines ever, "I saved you, dummy. That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love". Mere seconds later the ram fires, blasting a hole in the barrier, and all seems pretty much lost for the Resistance. Had "Deus Ex Rey" not been there to move the boulders, they would all have been slaughtered, and then her love would have resulted in the total demise of the Resistance. With this now finished and out of the way, I will post a seperate follow up list of all of the things I loved about the film (of which there are a fair few), at a later time. Thank you to those who read this, for taking time in the first place to read this, admittedly quite long, though necessarily detailed post.
All fair points, save one. The movie made it clear that Finn's crashing into the ram cannon would not have incapacitated it like he thought it would, so Rose was actually saving him from sacrificing his life for nothing, as the ram cannon would have fired anyway, as it would have still been quite operational. That knowledge sort of makes what Rose said mean a bit more.
@@robertmurrhee6016 I must have missed that detail in the film. Is there a video which contains it online, or a time stamp for it's occurrence in the film so that I can go back and watch it. I want to make sure that I can substantiate this properly for myself, for potential future reference.
@@blazer2123 It's at the point in the film where Finn is just getting ready to start his run, as the cannon becomes fully charged. Poe says over their comm, "The cannon is charged! It's a suicide run!" I get the impression Poe knew what he was talking about in that moment. It's 0:08 or thereabouts on this video, ruclips.net/video/KIhIDivbd-o/видео.html . Edit: I might be wrong. That still may only mean that they knew Finn would die doing it, not that it would fail, but I originally took it to mean that the plan would fail. Can't currently locate anything else on the matter without watching the movie again.
That's how I feel. It has its flaws and definite misses. There are things that I wish had been done differently. However, I find this movie so compelling.
The problem, in my mind, with Snoke is that he went out too fast after being built up to be this hugely powerful force user. True, fans did over-hype Snoke. But what is also true, and shouldn't be ignored, is that The Force Awakens builds up Snoke, his powers, his authority, his influence, and leaves him a mystery for the fans to discuss and theorize on. He was this mysterious massive dark-side force which seemingly turned Kylo to the dark side, the movie begs for the viewer to ask "who is this guy? Why is he so powerful? How did he convert Kylo? Etc." These aren't the only movies to ever see a fan base who theorized about a character/mystery. Plenty of massively popular series (Example: the MCU) have built up questions in previous films, leaving the audience to theorize, and then answers those questions later. The issue with The Last Jedi is that despite the questions being raised in The Force Awakens, they are never answered in any meaningful way almost as if to discourage any speculation or theorizing at all, which to me just seems like a bad way to galvanize a fanbase. Fans become fans because they love the media they are watching. Fans become a community when they discuss the media and create a community through shared enjoyment and discussion, specualtion and theories are apart of that and it felt like Rian Johnson didn't understand that and ignored it. Ok, rant over. Thought it needed to be said given how massive a fan of Star Wars everyone here is. TLDR; Snoke's fate was bad because it didn't answer questions that were raised in Force Awakens not because the fans speculated and didn't get what they want.
Except there was really nothing interesting about Snoke. Andy Serkis gave the role his all, but in terms of character and motivation, Snoke was just Palpatine 2.0 With An Even More Fucked-Up Face, and they did the smartest thing they could with such a nothing character: make him a red herring. An obstacle in the way of the real Big Bad's quest for power.
Thespis64 you can say that now that he’s dead and gone. But at the time of Last Jedi that just wasn’t the case. He had potential. The whole point of those Snoke theories wasn’t, in my opinion, because fans were building up things they wanted only to cry when they didn’t happen, it was because we were curious and expected answers or some kind of development in the Last Jedi to explain him. It’s more about lost potential. In the post-Last Jedi world, Snoke was nothing boring and uneventful. But that idea is a result of him being unexplained, underdeveloped, and underutilized in that very movie. That’s a fault of the movie not giving some kind of context not the fault of the character himself or the fans.
Why didn't the Dreadnought just shoot at the Raddus flagship instead of the stationary, abandoned rebel base? Would have made a better movie if it was 2 minutes long. It ruined lightsaber fights and space battles (and the canon reasons to make them 'one-off' or 'impossible' don't fly- two answers: turning lightsabers on-and-off while off-body blocking, and go find a large asteroid for your kamikaze hyperdrive). Also, I still personally have mixed feelings on "Jake". I just agree with Mark Hamill more.
The fact this movie has some the best and worst stuff in all of Star Wars in it at the same time is what is so frustrating about it. The Canto Bight and Holdo stuff is aggravatingly terrible, but then the Luke/Rey/Kylo/Snoke stuff is so fantastic. The Yoda scene is one of the best written scenes since Empire.
I apparently lost my legitimacy as a Star Wars fan because I didn't hate The Last Jedi. I felt like the movie had a few issues but overall I really enjoyed it. It seems that a lot of complaints stem from Rey's origin story (or lack thereof), but that was one of my favorite things about it. I liked the fact that she was a nobody. Apparently there's a bunch of other logistical inconsistencies but I guess I didn't pick up on those. Either way I can admit I'm not a "fanatic" so maybe that lent to my enjoyment (I didn't obsess over marketing or theories leading to release). Though I for sure would call myself a SW fan (watched the OT as a kid and fell in love). I'm almost thankful that I'm not a fanatic considering the consensus from that crowd, but I appreciate everyone's opinions and I'm happy to admit I don't have the same "deep lore" perspective that others have. All I can say is that I'm really excited for IX and I'll be there in my SW shirt for the midnight viewing! :)
I love this film. Once got asked by someone "Did someone pay you to say that", just so saying - one of the best Star Wars film I've ever watched (controversial opinion I'm aware).
I really wished they dove into the lore of how luke felt the jedi should end. He played it so well. I wish they had a whole TV show about this post jedi world. Like its something all masters end up in. A sort of despair.
I have always liked The Last Jedi. I love that idea of Luke being proven as a man, not a god by reputation essentially. Showing him broken because of what happened at his temple, then redeeming himself I think was very important. The only scene I absolutely despise is Canto Bite. If they took that out this movie would be sooooo much better. Holdo should have shared her plan with Poe, but she chose to be difficult. Also, I love Roses’s musical theme. It’s very catchy and hopeful. That final shot at the end gave me chills. That was so cool.
I really like the idea of Canto bight, it shows how in the middle of a huge war between good and evil there are people profiting from the war. It brings more realism to the Star Wars universe. It also gives a side plot to Finn, showing that he's not dependent on Rey to be in the story and introduced Rose and DJ whose purpose is to influence Finn what side he wants to fight for, Rose representing the light, and DJ a selfish "grey area." But I agree that it could've been executed a lot better. Holdo didn't tell the plan because Poe was demoted, (for starting an useless attack that killed a lot of people) and thus cant be trusted. I liked the concept of Holdo too, because she's a character that the audience was supposed to disagree with, but later in the movie you realize that she was right. "she was more interested in protecting the light, than seeming like a hero" as Leia said, I think it's pretty cool concept of a character. Sorta reminds me of Mace Windu. I don't know if the purple hair was intentional to reflect Windu's lightsaber lol.
As much as I wanted to like this movie I did not, I saw it twice in the theater and both times I disliked it more, but I do respect you’re guy’s opinion and you’re review , keep up the good work
The main point of the Canto Bight scenes, that make them relevant to include, is that they gave Rose opportunity to show Finn, first hand, why it's so important for people to take a stand against the first order, rather than just running away & hiding, as Finn was doing. That realization gave Finn purpose, a reason to fight, alongside Rose, Rey, Poe, & the rest of the resistance. That, to me, is more than enough reason for their inclusion. On top of that, an equally important reason for including them is that they provide all-important flavor & atmosphere in that Galaxy far, far away. They show us more of the universe in which our heroes live. They're like the icing on a birthday cake. Without flavor & atmosphere, these movies would just be linear plotlines, with no sense of wonder at all. Without something to show us we're in a Star Wars film, we might as well be watching any generic sci-fi film.
The main point of the Canto Bight scenes, that make them relevant to include, is that they gave Rose opportunity to show Finn, first hand, why it's so important for people to take a stand against the first order, rather than just running away & hiding, as Finn was doing. That realization gave Finn purpose, a reason to fight, alongside Rose, Rey, Poe, & the rest of the resistance. That, to me, is more than enough reason for their inclusion. On top of that, an equally important reason for including them is that they provide all-important flavor & atmosphere in that Galaxy far, far away. They show us more of the universe in which our heroes live. They're like the icing on a birthday cake. Without flavor & atmosphere, these movies would just be linear plotlines, with no sense of wonder at all. Without something to show us we're in a Star Wars film, we might as well be watching any generic sci-fi film.
Robert Murrhee and yet, the only species depicted in that scene that we’ve seen before this movie, other than humans of course, is the chandrafan that gets mentioned in the novelization. IMO, it was the least Star Wars a Star Wars movie has ever felt. In the theatre watching, I fell asleep for a second during the chase scene and woke up thinking I was watching Valerian or something.
@@williamwebb580 We don't have to have seen species we've seen before for it to feel like Star Wars. The whole point of scenes that add flavor to the universe, that engage in world-building, is to show us something of the Star Wars universe we haven't seen before now, new species, a new planetary locale, things that enrich that universe as a whole by their inclusion. Places like Jabba's palace, the Mos Eisley cantina, in fact, Mos Eisley itself, & Mos Espa, the pod race arena. Even the Death Star. Sure, important plotlines took place in those locations, but the locales themselves were still parts of the Star Wars universe we hadn't seen. They could have taken place in one location, but the film was engaging in world-building with each new locale we visited, including Canto Bight. If showing us Canto Bight was unnecessary, then, by the same reasoning, so too was setting those other scenes in Jabba's palace, Mos Eisley, the cantina there, or even Tattooine, or Hoth, or Endor. Those were wondrous new locales we'd never seen until then. So too is Canto Bight. Just because you personally don't care for that locale, doesn't make it a bad or uninteresting one, except to you, & just because you personally want the plot to just keep moving forward past whatever you deem irrelevant doesn't mean it should. Just because some might feel the scene of the Falcon hiding inside the space slug in Empire Strikes Back was filler & completely unnecessary to the overall plotline, & just wanted the characters to hurry up & get to Bespin so the plot could move forward doesn't mean it should be left out of the film. People are so concerned with moving the plot forward at breakneck speed that they've forgotten to just sit back & enjoy the ride, enjoy the world-building scenes, the new locales, new species, new starships, etc.
@@robertmurrhee6016 Two problems with that. One, like Rick and OP said "We don't have time for this"! It broke the flow of the plot and completely derailed the sense of agency of the Resistance's situation. If they wanted to display some atmosphere and wonder then they shouldn't have made the entire plot a slow ass chase scene. And two, Rose completely 180's what she "taught" Finn by stopping his big hero moment because she suddenly loves him for no reason.
wtw5002 bro, them being girls has nothing to do with how flat and 1 dimensional their characters are. Thinking that way is a very ignorant mindset to anything that something may be wrong. That’s like me saying I don’t like Finn’s character and then you saying “oh it’s cuz he’s black huh?” It’s immature and isn’t a good defense.
From a pure film making point of view its worse then the force awakens but i could see why some one would like it more because the story is more unique
Fun Fact -- The Master Codebreaker (the one shooting craps, not Del Toro), is Justin Theroux. He played the evil wizard Lezaar in "Your Highness"(with Danny McBride and James Franco). He also has sole writing credits for Iron Man 2. :-)
Sammy Dray my Favorite is Empire and my second is revenge of the sith. I know it’s weird to have the Last Jedi so high, I recognize this movie has problems and completely understand why some absolutely dislike it. To me the Luke stuff, the fight with the Pratorian guard and everything with Kylo, Ray, and Snoke are just amazing.
Who runs the galaxy? What state is it in? Why are they called the resistance if they were in charge? Who are they resisting? What even is the first order? Why is Rey so powerful in the force? What were the 3 lessons that Luke taught Rey? Also how did the first order come up with and have enough resources to be able to take over the galaxy after they lost their super power the death star? Also didn't snoke tell Kylo to return to him to complete his training? What happened to that?
I've been looking forward to this. On the real tho, I had my issues with this one but I'm really excited for Episode IX. I've slowly accepted TLJ a little more the more I watch it and cinematography wise this one is the most beautiful one's to watch. And that Luke moment on Crait is amazing!!
I love all Star Wars it’s all amazing to me. I cannot wait for TRoS I’m seeing it on the 19th (first time I’ve been to a first day opening for any movie)
I know many people complain about the Leia in Space scene, but honestly when I first saw that scene in theaters, a freaking tear came to my eye! Not tears of sadness or disappointment, but of emotion. The music, the cinematography, and the fact that we see Leia use the Force outside of sensing people was, for me, amazing!
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE TRAP IN THE ROOM! Fleet Admiral Akbar should always have been the one to ram the Supremacy with the Raddus. If that one event had been done, and his death was truly given the honour and justice it deserved, I would have been able to forgive this film, over the numberous gripes which I have had with it.
I know people like to pick apart the throne room fight scene for its flaws, but (and this is just my opinion) when you're watching this as a movie and not picking apart scenes, I think that throne room sequence works really well. Especially the moment the saber flies through Snoke into Rey's hand and they turn back to back.
Ryan Sutter thanks. I just think that I try so hard to like the Last Jedi, and if someone does like that then wouldn’t it be hypocritical to then tear them down. Out of curiosity what’s your opinion?
Every comedic moment in the movie misfit the rest of the movie, and the rest of the other live-action movies. When Han Solo said "that's not how the Force works" in Episode 7 it didn't break the flow, and it didn't jive with the character. My main problem with this movie is that it tried to be Guardians of the Galaxy.
You thought the humor was trying to imitate Guardians of the Galaxy? I’m actually confused as to what made you think that. The comedy in this film didn’t ever strike me as being similar.
I love you guys... I wish you had Yoda's "The greates teacher, failure is..." was in there, because IMO it is the central idea behind the entire movie: Everybody failed in their missions, and they all learned from it. Luke from his failure to kylo. Rey from her failure to bring back both Luke nad kylo, finn's failure in the cassino turned him into a rebel, bc he now cares about the entire galaxy instead of only Rey, Poe became a Leader after he: sacrificed the entire rebel fighter and bomber fleet, revealed Holdo's plan on speaker to someone who simply sold the info to save his skin and killed the rest of the resistence :-p, and finally he descided to stop and think instead of just blowing stuff up. Concerning Holdo, I think she did not reveal anything about her plan, because noone (of the three who figured it out) told her how the first order was following them through light speed,Poe was forced to tell her after he had already acted behind her back and sent Rose (who could actualy explain everything) away. So the only logical conclusion she could reach up to that point was that she had a spy amongst the people she didn't know. Who might very well be the mechanic leading them to a wild goose chase by the way. I think I can find many reasons for holdo to stay quiet, but still... I LOVE how much you love star wars, this might just be my favorite one...
@Joshua Lambert Rey failed at bringing Luke back, she failed at bringing Ben back. She beat Kylo once when he was wounded by the bowcaster and she had the force by her side and he had just killed his father. I don't know what the problem with poe's and finns backstory is... Han solo didn't have a backstory until one year ago. Palpi didn't have a backstory for years after Return of the Jedi. They had complete character arcs in the movies, one turning into a leader one turning into a resistance soldier. Never really cared about Phasma. What does the phrase "Holdo criticized him about tactics and then did the same thing even mean?" Poe sacrificed the entire resistance fighter and bomber fleet to destroy one ship (the first order has more of those, the resistance doesn't, or pilots,or crew.That is the problem), Holdo had a legit strategy, the problem is that she did not share it with Poe, but that was a rational descision considering that she did not know how they were being followed, I explained above how Poe screwed up on that one as well. The problem is that we really liked Poe from the previous movie and she got in his face at the beggining of the movie, because we were supposed not to like her and distrust her,(that is also why ackbar was not there, also he is a meme with 1,30 minutes of screentime) we were supposed to see it from Poes point of view as well so that when his plans failed, we would learn from his failure too, following yoda's teachings. And finally perhaps you are forgetting some SW facts like the part where a 17 year old Luke kills an entire Death Star of people and comes back home laughing (probably just killed more people than hitler with a single button), or the fact that he turned his Father, that he was trying to save, into a piniata on the ground bc he talked shit about his sister. Luke is not a Saint, he never was. He was an intergallactic Knight/ space wizard. And he got an awesome character arc in TLJ instead of being a coward hidng on the island sensing planets being destroyed and doing nothing about it. Also I don't care for chosen ones, it is a really stupid concept that needs to be outgrown by our stories. Anyone can make a difference in this world. And no I don't mean everyone, I mean anyone, and that is what Rey represents, unless they decide to turn her into space Jeasus too by the end of the trilogy. Our protagonists are just random People who took action when they got the chance. And I love that, None of them are perfect, no SW movie is, but they are awesome none the less. and at this point we are probably never going to agree on any of this but I do have a question. Did you have any problem with Baby yoda (whose brain has not developed enough to speak yet) forcelifting that Rhyno thing?
The thing that bothers me with not knowing who Snoke is the argument "We didn't know who Palpatine was". There is something fundamentally different because TLJ and TFA come after. There is an in-between Episode 6 and Episode 7. And it's not 100 years, it's 30. In 30 years, such a powerful force user, Leader of the First Order, needs an origin. Because there was something before. During the OT, there was no "before", so obviously we could be satisfied by Sidious as big bad guy and that's all.
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Is Rick going to watch the trailer for rise of skywalker or just wait for the movie?
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2 things
Haldo never knew about the hyperspace tracking she physical thought there was a First Order mole on-board
And Finn sacrifice would have done nothing to the canon his fighter was already breaking apart the Cannon would have fired either way
Yeah... like anyone would willingly want to watch that thing again in full length. Good one xd
@@dogsteeves1 Thats why she suspected that the guy who blew up starkiller base / their best pilot is a mole? Makes peeeerfect sense /s
And her crashing into Finn at full speed )and possibly killing him in the process) was ok just so she can sexually harass the poor guy was a good idea huh? Tell me again how did they magically teleported awat from the front of ATATs and the cannon back to the base huh? there was no place for them to run or hide.
Also if his sacrifice would do nothing at all - that only proves that Finn was a fucking idiot.
Everyone: You should go into the comments and express your opinion!
Me: Oh no, I'm not brave enough for politics
*me after 5 drinks*
"Anakin my allegiance is to the Republic, TO DEMOCRACY!!!
@@franciscovazquezjr4550 *Me after 6 drinks*
DoN't LEctuRE Me OBiWAN!!!!!!
@@CyberController- *me after 7 drinks*
"I will do what I must"
*pulls out lightsaber*
@@franciscovazquezjr4550 *Me after 8 drinks* I HaVE BroUGHt PeACE FrEEAdoM JucTIce And SECURitY To MY New EmpIRE!
@@CyberController- *me after 9 drinks*
"Your NeW EmPiRe?!"
I really wish they didn’t cut out the extra scene with Fin and Phasma. Where Fin told the troopers about her cowardice and betrayal on starkiller. Which is followed by her display of blaster skills. You know, her actually doing something.
Bryan as much as i loved TLJ, but that particular was something i’d never forgive RJ for
How about luke morning hans death and the transition with Leia then to Kylo Ren?
Reys whole 3rd lesson being sliced out?
The extended mission on snokes ship with Finn Rose and DJ?
All 3 of these sequences are key points in the film and add tension and emotion where they are none.
@@justme7625 For what it's worth, that Finn vs Phasma scene was changed (and hastily reshot) to the final (inferior) movie version on Colin Trevorrow's request, because it conflicted with something in his script for Ep 9.
cole schubert to be fair all those “key elements” being deleted from the movie was poignant enough to make it more focused and shortened. And the supposedly “Rey’s 3rd lesson” being deleted was logical enough due to the fact that much later on the reason why Rey left the island was bc she believed that Ben could be turned and to found out later that she was wrong. She left Luke and everything that he warned her for just for that slightest mere of hope. And that plot thread alone was very much enough of the 3rd lesson that was promised and was much more fitting to the whole thematic of the whole movie. The lesson wasn’t a literal schooling like the previous two of what Luke did, it was done by the reality itself
@@justme7625 yeah but it shows why rey starts to distrust luke before leaving it adds more complexity to luke and reys relation ship.
Oh boy, this is going to be an interesting comment section.
Godless, hate filled people who don't believe in having fun and will shame everyone who wants to enjoy good things
@@SpiderandMosquito God has nothing to do with how shit the movie is.
@@SpiderandMosquito Imagine calling someone godless for not liking a movie
@@RPGAMING no I'm calling people Godless for being jerks to people who do like the movie
@@SpiderandMosquito Who are being jerks?
As much as I have my complaints with the TLJ, always love seeing other people's opinion, especially you guys. This video was a suprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
MegaIllusiveMan same here
It is very refreshing.
Quality prequel reference
You quote a prequel. We are enemies now.
@@StarWarsMoments It's treason, then
I love this, even with their criticisms it’s nothing but good positive energy from nerds who love Star Wars
Facts
Not all Disney Star Wars was bad, I enjoyed the force awakens, I loved rogue one, rebels, and the mandalorian. I haven’t seen Resistance, and think solo wasn’t terrible and could have come off better if it had a good sequel or two to continue/tie up the stories and loose ends it had. Lots of the comics and books have been good, and fallen order was awesome. But the last Jedi and rise of Skywalker, I just couldn’t enjoy them save a few small scenes.
There were multiple parts of the movies and novels that contradict the other films, including the force awakens, and the only consistent theme is that all that Luke leia and Han worked for and the rise fall and redemption of Anakin were all for nothing, and this new group will save the day with less resources, a smaller army, no Jedi masters, and a less experienced less force potential Jedi aspirant.
Han grows up from being a rogue and becomes a husband and father and general? Nope, leaves leia, gives up on son, now an older less talented rogue. Leia brings back the republic and defeat the empire with a multi planet rebellion and train her force sensitivity and become a wife and mother? Nope, republic didn’t stop the first order and is gone, Resistance is a smaller weaker version of rebellion, never became a master because she was pregnant, Han left her and her son became Vader 2.0. Luke never ever gives up on his family and will bring back the Jedi, be there for leia, and protect the galaxy? Nope, Luke gave up on Ben, for a split second, but that was enough for Ben to lose faith in him and turn fully to snoke, gave up on the Jedi right after his failure with Ben, abandoned his sister, and the galaxy. Anakin redeemed himself by finally fulfilling the prophecy and killing sidious? Nope, rise of skywalker trailer says otherwise.
Anakin was the chosen one, his natural force potential unmatched by any, even the ones, except for his own children, and only by losing so many limbs and with it much of his force potential was palpatine able to stay more powerful, as even by his own admission, a fully trained skywalker in 1 piece will outgrow both himself and yoda. Yet his grandson, a boy who was so powerful even Luke admitted his natural power, and was trained for at least a decade in the light and dark side, is somehow not dominating a young aspirant Jedi with a decade less training and less force potential.
Ben Edgington i mean the sequels are just bad
@@dxclosingbowl6688 Still not as bad as the prequels, though.
Renegade Shep loves his M-6 Carnifex Hand Cannon the prequels are actually good bad writing at times but atleast they don’t have stupid ass shit that retcons half the star wars lore like the sequels
The sequel trilogy is like when your teacher gives you a group presentation and you split each section but don’t discuss it before presenting
Best Explanation
YES
+ you don't even like the person the teacher partnered you with
And it still turns out better than most of the other projects
@@tuxedotrooper8821 depends what most other projects are lmao.
"We are what they grow beyond, that is the true burden of all masters"
Isn't that what Yoda was trying to teach Anakin by giving him Ashoka?
Yoda was really trying to give Anakin an apprentice to allow him to learn to let go of attachment. To realize that at one point Ahsoka will have to go through the Jedi trials and separate from Anakin. So in a way, yes, Yoda was trying to teach the same lesson.
This is why I love Blind Wave. Even when they have criticisms they don’t just devolve into “Ewww Disney bad they ruined muh childhood!”
They’re calm and collected, and are willing to argue the opposite sides.
Exactly. Liking or disliking a movie is personal preference but having a clear head while explaining your take is the real maturity. Which these guys clearly exhibit. I love most of the movie but many don't and as long as we don't hate each other as people over that , it's part of being a fan,else it resembles culthood
The movies still suck but I agree with your take on them
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TLJ was the second best SW movie, only Empire is better. Literally nothing will change my mind 😂
@@mistertwister2000 right there with ya bud. TLJ is one of my favorites too.
Is that to imply that there's a legitimate argument *for* the sequel trilogy? Literally the only logical conclusion is to admit that they're mediocre movies with bad writing and even worse written characters.
“milk is stored in the balls” - Rick, probably
It's a delicacy back on Earth
MIDICHLORIANS ARE IN THE BALLS !
Did you took that from girlfriend reviews? Cause they said exactly the same thing while playing fallen order
Piro Man lmao no I haven’t seen those. Been meaning to check it out tho
Now you understand where the phrase "blue balls" comes from.
_"That's not a hill I need to die on."_
What a nice phrase, particularly when used in the context of sharing one's opinion.
A statement of cowardice, really.
I only make that statement when i dont hold the high ground
I had this exact thought when I heard him say it.
@@xXscreamingkoalaXx When arguing about a Star Wars movie? Really? People have lives outside of it and nobody has unlimited time to argue about a flying space princess.
@@kungolaf4499 Nice hyperbole. That's fine go back to your life as an idiot, we didn't want to talk to you anyway.
I love seeing Eric still get excited.
M B I’ve never seen anyone love Star Wars as much as him. Wish I shared that same love, but I dont.
My best friend is like that too, he is the biggest Star Wars nerd in existence, so much as that he could recite episodes 3-6 in both German and english word for word a year after episode 3 came out, he has every piece of film, series and game of sw too
@@vanguardduelist too sad... ajam...
M B Indeed!! I loved his enthusiasm :)
Jay Jones he likes the film. Get over it.
They didn't even talk about Ben swolo the man, the meme, the legend
The movie said that Kylo Ren turned Evil because he felt Luke betrayed but I personally believe he turned because he was named BEN FUCKING SOLO. Even by star war standard that a stupid name, he probably turned evil just so he can change his name.
he turned evil when Luke stole his protein shake
This movie is such an odd experience for me. The Kylo/Snoke/Rey/Luke stuff is just... awesome. Seriously, 9/10 for me. But then everything else is like... 2 or 3/10. This movie bounces between some of the best Jedi/Force stuff in the series, to some of the most absolutely unnecessary and superfluous plotlines in the entire series.
Right! I liked this movie for it's jedi stuff...but...but Finn and Rose...so useless...so boring...
Right? All the kylo/luke/snoke/rey with all the force and jedi stuff I really loved. All the other stuff, the canto bight scenes, basically the finn and rose subplot I really did not care for
You basically sum my thoughts on this movie man. Thats why when people ask me if i like or dislike tlj, i cant give them a straight answer. Coz theres stuff i absolutely love, and stuff not so much.
Then you don't understand what the film is about.
@Jon That's the easy route. I just have a different opinion. There are things the answer above is clearly missing - hence the comment.
Hux's character reminds me of starscream so much
From a serious and quite scary commander, TFA's speech he did before destroying 4 republic planets, to now just...comedy relief
@@thejanusproject32 yeah like he constantly gets shut down and abused by his leader and looks like he's ready to backstab at any moment
If the leaks are true regarding Hux... brace yourself for more disappointment...
oh yeah, that's a fair comparison.
Kalyan S. Thupili what leaks? What did they do to him now?
I hated this movie but after seeing Rick's view and reaction I have come to part ways with my hatred for this movie. Hatred is the path to the dark side. No more.
Embrace the darkness let your rage flow and let it deepen your hatred
@@spicysnowman8886 lmfao y'all are killing me
@@spicysnowman8886 good name... goes well with the comment lol
Let your hate flow through you. 😂😉
What if i want to be in the Dark Side😈
Shoutout to you guys for having a mature rational discussion about this movie its extremely refreshing to see on youtube, I've watched your guys previous videos from time to time and love yall energy but never subscribed until now keep doin yall thing 👍
I assume your definition of a “mature rational discussion” would be without criticism
@@conormurphy4328 no not at all lol
Conor Murphy, no it’s the fact that they aren’t acting like people who dislike this film are the alt-right, and they actually give very genuine criticism in the video so I haven’t a clue what you’re on about.
questions? why did luke leave a tracker to his location in episode 7, only to ask why they came to his island? what about snoke and the rule of 2? what about how the holdo maneuver breaks starwars? (x-wings in OT had lightspeed) why could't 1 star destroyer light speed a little bit ahead and intercept the fleet? why didn't holdo tell poe the plan, this is a volunteer army, so he has a right to know. this isn't the 1st order where you only follow orders and don't ask questions. how did leia survive space without training? is she was trained, why didn't she train kylo, that type of skill surviving space shows a vast amount of skill. Rey has never lost in a fight. she has never trained. (staff and lightsaber completely different things) when rey falls into the dark side cave, how does she know how to swim? she spent most of her life in a desert planet. (could of been a cool trail) Luke would never kill a family member. that destroys return of the jedi arc. Vader was genocidal maniac, but ben solo had not done anything wrong yet. why not call leia and han to address this together? if snoke is so powerful, how could he not feel the lightsaber right next to him being moved by the force, he felt it when rey did it. i can find you a chunky list why i don't like this movie. it sucks that legit criticisms by fans are ignored. only to be called by last jedi lovers and rian johnson "racists, sexists, godless, hate filled people." Maybe, just maybe, we love starwars too. and want better storytelling. take some time to consider the other side. i would recommend Redletter Media's review, or Maulers review.
Schwanzus Longus, I call your comment a lack of an ability to understand that people can like things you don’t like and be perfectly valid in their opinions on that said thing.
*scraps the surface of the comments section and tastes it*
"Salt."
scrap.
god forbid people have individual opinions
Don't have to worry about the ice this year. Plenty of salt to go around.
Space V the movies been out for 2 years, I don’t wanna hear the same opinions about how it’s trash. Like u can express ur opinion but stop saying the exact same shit u said for 2 years straight.
YUNG4SKIN didnt even say anything about the movie, get over yourself
“I’ve been looking forward to this”
Mandalore the Hunter “This is where the fun begins”
Bradley Keats Stole my line, you have
The CVR123 “Yeah? Good.”
@@darthbradmedia8929 SUUUUKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
brave, but foolish
That moment when the most popular comments are comments about the comments.
It’s like the superman vs goku 2 death battle all over again
I’m so glad some other people enjoy this movie as much as me
@@bluepearl_22 Not me, i just wanted a story that made sense.
@@sniffyjoe4229 Tell that to JJ...
Wasn't a huge fan of it. Thought it was meh. But then again, I was never huge Star Wars fan, so I didn't get triggered like many die hard star wars fans who bitch about everything. Mostly judged as a movie like I do any other. I definitely found this as a better movie than Rise of Skywalker
Thats not why I don’t like this trilogy. In fact I’m ok watching Force Awakens. I think that was a great movie that had potential... and then this movie that was made by a guy who didn’t care much for Star Wars. I liked this one when it came out but then after time of thinking about the movie it’s not in my top I’ll tell you that.
There are parts of this movie that I did enjoy tho. I like the opening with Poe and Hux. It was funny. But the fact that Luke, the guy who saw good in his dad who killed millions and was one of the most evil people ever, had the small thought of killing his nephew after having a split second thought
Once again. There are parts that I like. But there’s also the bad. Good with the bad. And for me. The bad slightly overweighs the good
(I want to point out. I love Mark Hamills acting when he does the flash back tho. It gives me chills everytime and it gets me emotional. I know that doesn’t make sense with me saying I didn’t like it but I just like Mark Hamill)
blue_pearl_22 pretty sure is was due to narrative/lore inconsistency, illogical plot holes, pointless scenes, radical changes to beloved characters....
2:41 According to Rian Johnson's commentary, the stuntman who did that broke his nose.
Worth it for such a great shot of an actor breaking his nose
Damn that must be the most worthless sacrafice
The scene between Luke and Leia makes me cry EVERYTIME, even now when it wasn’t in it’s entirety
It's really refreshing to see people just sit and enjoy Star Wars.
I really enjoyed your guys reaction and discussion to this film. I'm not a fan of this film, but I'll always be down to watch others react to it with an honest opinion. It's wonderful for me to see the different viewpoints and the reasoning behind it. I'm hoping that maybe some decisions in Episode IX will lead me to appreciate this film better. I'm fine not liking this movie, but it won't make me stop loving Star Wars! Thanks for the awesome reaction guys!!
Don't hold your breath. Episode IX is all over the place. You'll see lol.
@@IndyMotoRider It's possible, but I'll have to wait and see.
I too hope that its good. Its been very hit or miss with Disney and Star Wars. They should honestly focus on more original character stories like The Mandalorian and Rogue One, they're so much better than the mainline movies they've been putting out.
questions? why did luke leave a tracker to his location in episode 7, only to ask why they came to his island? what about snoke and the rule of 2? what about how the holdo maneuver breaks starwars? (x-wings in OT had lightspeed) why could't 1 star destroyer light speed a little bit ahead and intercept the fleet? why didn't holdo tell poe the plan, this is a volunteer army, so he has a right to know. this isn't the 1st order where you only follow orders and don't ask questions. how did leia survive space without training? is she was trained, why didn't she train kylo, that type of skill surviving space shows a vast amount of skill. Rey has never lost in a fight. she has never trained. (staff and lightsaber conpletely different things) when rey falls into the dark side cave, how does she know how to swim? she spent most of her life in a desert planet. (could of been a cool trail) Luke would never kill a family member. that destroys return of the jedi arc. Vader was genocidal maniac, but ben solo had not done anything wrong yet. why not call leia and han to address this together? if snoke is so powerful, how could he not feel the lightsaber right next to him being moved by the force, he felt it when rey did it. i can find you a chunky list why i don't like this movie. it sucks that legit criticisms by fans are ignored. only to be called by last jedi lovers and rian johnson "racists, sexists, godless, hate filled people." Maybe, just maybe, we love starwars too. and want better storytelling. take some time to consider the other side. i would recommend Redletter Media's review, or Maulers review.
Thank god. You're a true star wars fan
I really wish Rian had kept in the cut scene where Rey goes to rescue the villagers. It adds so much I think with Luke’s dialogue.
Yeah, and it’s actually a funny gag
i just loved the shot of her force running
And Phasma other death scene!
At the end of the day Star Wars is a goofy space opera that is also beautiful and powerful. It always has been.
The 20 somethings who grew up with the gritty and dark Clone Wars tv show and 3rd prequel think that is what all Star Wars should be, but forget 2/3 of the prequel trilogy was just as corny and cheesy as the OT, and even Revenge of the Sith had some corny ass shit too
@@dachshund_gaming Why does corniness mean things can't be serious? I think TESB was fairly serious. Even ANH, to me, is fairly straight laced. ROTJ, I think is the goofier of the bunch, but I think even that has more serious elements. And TPM and AOTC, for all the goofier elements (Gungans and 50's diner), I think is also fairly serious, (again exception being Jar-Jar and such).
Dagenspear never said that.
That's not true it can be serious and complicated and good while retaining some comedy, it doesnt have to be a congealed blob of plot holes and nonsensicalness. This is not a star wars movie it's a movie about people with the force and lightsabers and it happens in space.
@@spicysnowman8886 at what point did I say it was a blob of plot holes?
Man: *brutally explodes in space*
Reactors: *AHAAHAHAHAHA*
There's plenty worse brutalities and plenty hardier laughs, trust me, a pig man with eye nipples
It’s James Corden
Leia should have imploded
@@derpdadouch3654 what the fuck
2:39 Wait is that Lysa Arryn? I was like "this voice sounds familiar" and then "What the hell, it's her!"
Gmail com Jojen Reed too
8:14 The interesting fact about THAT particular scene is that she was actually imitating Kylo Ren's training moves, because he was using his saber the same time she was. Would have been nice to have seen that and not given that lame excuse Rian gave us about ''wanting to show the audience that they could see each other''....we already knew that from the FIRST time they saw each other! ....and for the record the idea of using the Force bond was a nice touch in TLJ since THAT particular idea had yet to be used *in the movies* !
The one thing I *can* say about Star Wars, they've given us good one-liners: ''that isn't how the force works!'' ''I have spoken'', etc. ...
24:33 *You are a Star Wars fan if you LIKE Star Wars* ...thank you I take the good WITH the bad because I've grown up with these movies for decades.
Really appreciate your guys’ levelheaded and well-thought out takes on this. Thanks for the fun video!
One of the most balanced, patient discussions of Last Jedi I've seen. Beautiful!
"Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber" I never made that connection before.
me neither, i glad he said it
That is the saber that the young innocent boy made in hopes of freeing all the slaves on Tatooine.
@@kungolaf4499 The saber that brutally slaughtered a dozen kids.
So glad to see people actually enjoy this film instead of bitch about it
I'm an easy man, i see Star Wars.. i click.
I know this movie "divided" the Star wars fandom, but i enjoy every movie, game, series and comics, old or new, and im glad that the new Star Wars content brings new fans into this marvellous universe, childrens that never got interested now they are, i'm just very happy about that, like i said, i am an easy person.
Do you live in the same reality as everyone else? Star Wars is dead and Disney, the child hating corporation, killed it.
@@derpdadouch3654 I just live in a reality where people enjoy things and don't make big problems because something don't happened in the way they wanted, chill and calm, i enjoy this new trilogy, i enjoy the animated series, i enjoy the mandalorian, and im pretty sure that i'll enjoy the new trilogies and series in the future, isn't a big deal dude
@@alejandrocastrolillo5106 I like you. You're one of the more reasonable people on this comment section that spreads positivity instead of the negativebthings I've seen.
@@blessingtheplatypus9961 Thank you :D
Alejandro Castro Lillo This is the way
OMG Eric's face during Luke's final explanation of his failure as a Master was so pure 😢
I wanted to see them react to the "In Loving Memory of our Princess" bit of the end credits.
I would disagree that Han wasn’t different in 7, his moment where he talked about the force being real only feet away from the place he initially derided the concept. That was pure magic.
Also when he’s telling Finn “people are counting on us, the galaxy is counting on us!” That shows a huge vocal change from the original. I know a lot of the journey is taken in the OT but I don’t believe he made the full journey by the end of RotJ.
Going from a self-centred non-believer to someone who considers the welfare of people he doesn’t even know and believes in the Force? I loved that 😊
And I also love this reaction 🤘
R2 showing Luke Leia's recording "I'm not crying, you're crying"
A point about the the lack of Force Ghost teachers, one possible explanation about their appearance is *where* they appear. Kenobi appears weakly to Luke for a few seconds on Hoth and then fades. The other 2 times he appears is on Dagobah, a place of power with the Force. Here his Force Ghost appears with clearer blue reception and they can talk for several minutes. He is only a voice in A New Hope and does NOT appear later in ESB when called at Cloud City. Ahch-To is the first Jedi Temple and so is likely one of the strongest places of power with the Force in the galaxy. So here not only can Yoda appear as a Force Ghost, but he can seemingly manifest Force Lightning. Most other places in the galaxy it may only be possible to appear a few seconds at a time (like on Hoth) or not possible at all.
Watching TLJ in theaters was such an emotionally touching experience for me. As someone who's gone through depression and felt like giving up and isolating myself would be better for everyone, Luke's arc spoke to me so much and I hate when people say it ruined his character. For me, it MADE HIM a character I could get behind and fully appreciate. I can't really relate to OT Luke because his issues are massive in scope. I'm never going to have to fight my corrupted-by-evil father and save the universe from a dictatorship while mastering magic powers. It's still a really cool Hero's Journey story and I still love the OT as much as I did when I was a kid, but Luke went through some real human problems in TLJ and watching him overcome them in the end was super empowering for me.
I still really love the rest of the movie too and I'm glad Rick walked away feeling positive about it despite his reasonable issues. I hate seeing RUclips full of angry rants and ugliness about this franchise, so to see a few guys just sit down and have a chill talk about the movie for a change is really cool.
@@SherlockHolmes000 No.
Boring and Bland Interesting to hear considering it had semi-opposite effect on me. I was already in a shaky place when I saw the film, but when I saw my hero, the person I always looked up to and aspired to be because of how hopeful he was, how he never wavered from seeing good in people ever when they couldn’t see it in themselves, when I saw him, even for a second or two consider murdering Ben, the child of his sister and best friend, in his sleep because he saw darkness within him... that just made me give up for a good half a year.
Thats really interesting and I agree with you totally B&B. Everyone got angry when Luke considered killing Ben, but thats because their great hero had flaws.They ignore that the Dark Side is not a "one and done"deal.
William Webb I like it when our heroes are shown as flawed because I feel like I can relate more to them that way and I find it shows that nobody is really perfect. But that’s just my opinion
I love how enthusiastic Rick is for this franchise. I'm right there with you, brother!
Yes Luke was the best part of this movie! Totally agree with them. I love a lot of his scenes they are great.
I enjoy his arc in this movie.
Hamill is awesome
@@yoshim616 oh my...
@@Veyiro Forgive them, for they don't know what they say.
To each their own I guess....
Fun fact: The two stormtroopers behind Finn when he gets slapped by general hux are Prince harry and william
Fun fact, they got cut from the movie.
Nah, there scenes were cut. Google it. Even Tom Hardy was a stormtrooper but all their scenes were cut.
Fun fact: that’s incorrect
He was using Anakin's saber but it was destroyed. Shouldve been a clue something was up
I noticed that too. I never saw it until I watched this reaction, even though I saw the movie 3 times.
My only problem is that between the trilogy there are 2 different directors with different visions for the story which I think created a bad story.
Especially when JJ wanted to tel Rian "manbaby" Johnson where he wanted the story to go but he ignored him intentionally and didn't even want to met with him
@@Pir-o Yh for real, Snoke and his true identity, rey and her heritage, all these interesting plot points are just gone.
News flash, The OT had 3 different directors and Lucas made it up as he went along!
@@hen913 I guess the difference with the Ot and this is that there was a communication between the directors on what should be done.
Aj Run Nah it was just the dramatic complaints from audiences that 7 was TOO MUCH like the OT that it drove Lucasfilm to make something that subverted your expectations their main goal.
This comment section reminds of the never ending struggle between the light and dark side. Both are right and both are wrong. What I tell you is true, from a certain point of view (;
Excellent attempt to say something by saying nothing at all.
People just fail to realize that they can like a movie, yet can agree that the movie has terrible storytelling, flawed tone, inconsistencies with previous movies and establied characters and terrible on-the-nose messages. It accually is not that difficult. But once you start defend the accually very obvious crap, because you think you need to in order to defend what you felt while watching the movie, then you just make yourself look like a clown. It accually is not that difficult to understand long established standards of storytelling and filmmaking. And the main argument, that the fans just did not get what they wanted is rather weak compared to those standards. A good movie does indeed not give the audience what they wanted, but usually something that the audience did not know they wanted. TLJ didnt do that, it deliberately didnt care about Star Wars. It just wanted to make a meta-statement about how people consume entertainment, some art-sy idea of a arrogant director. I guess on an art scala it scores a 10, on a movie and storytelling and Star Wars continuation it scores barely a 1.
@@SETHthegodofchaos thank you.
@@SETHthegodofchaos By acting like everything you believe is objectively true, you've already lost any credibility in this discussion
@@Ahov I am not acting and I dont believe that. Anybody can come in and present their take on how things are and make arguments for why their opinion offers more value compared to mine. My points were that by going off common story standards, the movie is terrible in many ways. Furthermore, by promoting that the movie instead is a masterpiece in all these standards, is a shame to all the stories that have some thought and effort put into them and I rather see more of those instead of more of whatever TLJ was. Thats my whole take on this.
I have such a love-hate relationship with this movie... in the end it's my 3rd least favorite SW movie. But I certainly will not hate on anybody's opinion if they absolutely love it. I'm done arguing about Star Wars... let's just all have fun again
I love this film but couldn't agree more. Let's let this universe unite us all again, not divide!
Well said
Amazing, every word you just said......I agree with.
I love how much you guys love this movie. Tbh. I love how much you guys just love Star Wars because it’s Star Wars lol.
Love these guys (even the others) talk about Star Wars. They pick up on everything so I know that when they give their opinion they are doing it with facts to back it up. So many things that they've pointed out that I had never noticed before which have completely changed my opinion on certain scenes and about certain characters.
I LOVE how much rick loves the clone wars ❤️
Because it’s some of the best Star Wars content out there.
Because it’s some of the best Star Wars content out there.
30:58 "it could be between time and space too" did rick just guess the big brainfuck of Rebels season 4?
Seriously hope this arc plays some role in IX, it would help explain the mirror on Achto as well as dark Rey in the new trailer
I get really excited when I find other people who like this movie as much as me :)
Its amazing
4th Best Star Wars film
Hello fellow lovers of this movie!
Yesss
@@daranphilipson1025 best rank
Absolutely LOVE watching you guys talk Star Wars!! Your Positive outlook on the series as a whole is genuine and really awesome lol gets me excited and giddy hahaha really reminds me why I am a geek for Star Wars
You guys pretty much feel the same way about this film as me. Love the Luke stuff. Like the Rey/Kylo stuff. The rest is meh. Tone is all over the place.
How come you liked the Luke stuff? That was the biggest turn off for me. Luke is the most hopeful and endearing heroes in film, he was prepared to die to show that his incredibly dark and lost father still had good in him, yet in this he saw darkness in Ben so went as far as to go into his room with the intention of killing him? The two don't seem to match up. He's become this grumpy old man who wants nothing to do with anyone? Rather than staying to try and save Ben? I know people change over time but that just doesn't scan for me, it didn't scan for Mark Hamill either because he said that this was 'his' Luke
@@darthconquerus Mark Hamill has said that he liked this characterization of Luke after actually seeing the film. Luke almost killed Vader in a moment of rage in episode 6. Luke having moments where his emotions take over him aren't out of his character.
@@SethSolomonSputnikSpyglass that was when he (vader) was threatening his sister... Vader new how to push lukes buttons, thats why he lost it for a moment. Ben however never actually threatened anyone and had a bad dream. Luke then attempted the murder of his nephew before ever trying to talk to him like a normal human. In this movie, ben had not actually ever done anything to anyone before luke tried to murder him in his sleep.
@@darthconquerus Luke has always been ready to kill if his sister was in danger. When Vader told Leia would be turned he almost killed Vader. When he saw Kylo blow out Leia of her ship in his vision he had just as twisted thought as in the Second Death Star.
@@kungolaf4499 I don't think those are too comparable - one was in combat against the second worst person in the galaxy who was trying to wind you up, the other would've been in cold blood against your nephew who at that point was still on the light side and asleep. Not to mention Leia at that point was the only thing he had and he needed to protect, whereas his priorities would've shifted by that point to the rest of his family, plus the new Jedi order, he had a lot more responsibility than during the second death star
Now have Rick watch the TROS trailers!
Nah, do it without the trailer. I want to see his reaction to the big twist they gave away in the trailer
@@SamuriLemonX18 You won't see his reaction anyway. I guarantee now that he's seen The Last Jedi he'll be going to see TROS with the rest of the crew in theaters.
57:36 I like how "an old man and a dog" could be taken either way. Cause as we all know, Han is Chewie's dog since Chewie outlives all these humans by so much.
Listening to Eric’s point of view in this video really makes me want to rewatch this movie. Since the release of Disney Plus, I binge-watched Episodes I-IV in a weekend, then I caught up on Mandalorian and now I’ve been watching the Clone Wars for the first time along with the Blind Wave Crew, playing Jedi Fallen Order and I’m falling in love with these movies again since I was a kid. I’m genuinely excited to watch the Last Jedi again, I feel like I’m going to see it differently this time.
The thing I love about prequel Yoda is how badass he is and the thing I love about the original trilogy and the newer ones is how fucking hilarious he is
For those who don't know why Luke died, there is video for that and in that video he explains that when Luke uses the force projection (it have a wierd name) which actually kills the Jedi if been used. That's why Kylo had that face cause he also know that Luke sacrifice for rebellion.
I've said this before in discussions with my friends. This is the Luke who did it all alone. Whether by choice or by circumstances, he tried to revive the Jedi and face the darkness virtually alone. The Luke in the Legends books (who I grew up with and have loved his progression), was not allowed to do it alone, which is why he succeeded. Between Jedi masters and students returning to help him, and Leia and Han's involvement and inclusion of him and his academy in the galaxy, and Mara Jade most of all, he was never alone in that timeline. I believe the seeds of both versions of Luke exist in the Return of the Jedi.
I didn't love this movie (I still liked it way more than most people) but this movie made me LOVE Kylo Ren. His ethos of "fuck it, let's just let it all burn and do it over" is so rad. And the fight in the throne room is probably the best Star Wars fight scene.
Yes but no
I love the part where R2D2 holograms Leia to Luke. That was a nice heartwarming touch in my opinion It was like a tribute to Carrie Fisher.
Thanks, Eric! Thanks, Shane! Thanks, Rick! 💫 Extra thanks for your good-natured, reasonable banter about a movie I love. 💜
Secret deleted scene:
Yoda: *strikes tree with lightning*
Luke: “BuT sAcReD jEdI kNoWlEdGe!”
Yoda: “ever heard the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise, have you?”
The Last Jedi is my favorite of the sequel trilogy. And it's wonderfully refreshing to hear constructive criticism instead of out and out negativity.
It did so much to set up a great finale.....
@@arthurballs7083 it also did so much to undermine the entire trilogy too. went completely back on basically every plot point from tfa & felt the need to start meddling with the original's constructs just to be "what rian wanted", which was divisive. this movie & the tros after it are pure trash.. no one thought these through as a whole and it shows in each film
Foreword: This comment is not meant in any way as something against fans who like "The Last Jedi". I have been a Star Wars fan and collector for most of my life, and as such am quite passionate about it. When the movie first came out, I went to see it in theaters, and at first I liked it. It was only after I took some time to truly process what happened in the film, and went back to see it again that my feelings for it changed. If you like the Last Jedi, I respect your opinion, though I would ask in return that you would also respect the fact that mine comes from a place of wanting to see the films improve and rise to the heights of their much exhaulted predecessors.
Also, I loved the prequels ;)
All that said, here is a list of the issues that I had in the movie;
1. In the scene where Kylo and the two Tie Fighters head out from the Supremacy to attack the Raddus, in which they do crippling damage to the Resistance, destroying their entire fighter wing, and upper command structure, they retreat to the Supremacy because they can't be covered by the fleet. Rewind back to the beginning of the scene, and as they are flying out of the hanger, you can see HUNDREDS of Tie Fighters in that one hanger of the Supremacy alone, all of which they could have swarmed the Resistance ships with, not to mention the fighters aboard the numberous Star Destroyers accompanying it.
2. The main chase of the film makes zero sense, in that the Resistance ships, suffering from a fuel shortage (which by itself I am perfectly fine with), are chased endlessly through space by the First Order fleet due to the fact that they cannot catch up to them, as their own vessels are slower than the Raddus and it's auxiliaries. Here is my problem with this. I come from the Mitth'raw'nuruodo school of precision hyperspace jumping, and even though those books are not canon anymore, the logic still stands. The First Order existed in one of the most chaotic and rapidly changing parts of space in Star Wars, the Unknown Regions, for almost all of their existence, and would have had to have been at least familiar with precisely calculated hyperspace jumping in order to navigate it, and if they themselves do not have a fuel shortage like their quarry, then all they would need to do is jump a couple of their Star Destroyers just ahead of the Resistance ships, and force a confrontation that would allow their comrades to catch up.
3. Fleet Admiral Akbar was killed off with none of the grandeur that his character deserved. Replace Holdo's divisive character with him in the plot, and the story becomes significantly better. Fleet Admiral Akbar, one of the most battle hardened and experienced tacticians in all of Star Wars, taking the Raddus, turning into the First Order fleet, and uttering a variation on his famous line "It's a Trap", seconds before hyperspace ramming the Supremacy and crippling the First Order fleet, would have been one of the most glorious moments in all of Star Wars, and a truly worthy death for one of the most well known characters in Star Wars.
4. Vice Admiral Holdo's withholding of her plan from Poe resulted in a perfectly reasonable mutiny led by Poe to try and save the ship, and all of the lives onboard it, all over a petty power play of her's to assert her dominance over him, rather than trying to actually be a decent leader, and inspire confidence in those under her command, personal biases and gripes be damned.
5. Holdo simply stands by and watches for the first few minutes as the First Order annihilates the Resistances transports, rather than taking action and attempting to use the Raddus to protect them, even by using the 3 km long vessel to block the incoming fire from the enemy blaster cannons. This results in the deaths of countless Resistance members.
6. When Finn goes to sacrifice himself by crashing into the First Order's ram inorder to try and save the Resistance base, Rose crashes into him at the last second (which by itself could have killed them both), and after crashing into him, justifies it with one if the most idiotic and illogical lines ever, "I saved you, dummy. That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love". Mere seconds later the ram fires, blasting a hole in the barrier, and all seems pretty much lost for the Resistance. Had "Deus Ex Rey" not been there to move the boulders, they would all have been slaughtered, and then her love would have resulted in the total demise of the Resistance.
With this now finished and out of the way, I will post a seperate follow up list of all of the things I loved about the film (of which there are a fair few), at a later time. Thank you to those who read this, for taking time in the first place to read this, admittedly quite long, though necessarily detailed post.
All fair points, save one. The movie made it clear that Finn's crashing into the ram cannon would not have incapacitated it like he thought it would, so Rose was actually saving him from sacrificing his life for nothing, as the ram cannon would have fired anyway, as it would have still been quite operational. That knowledge sort of makes what Rose said mean a bit more.
@@robertmurrhee6016 I must have missed that detail in the film. Is there a video which contains it online, or a time stamp for it's occurrence in the film so that I can go back and watch it. I want to make sure that I can substantiate this properly for myself, for potential future reference.
@@blazer2123 It's at the point in the film where Finn is just getting ready to start his run, as the cannon becomes fully charged. Poe says over their comm, "The cannon is charged! It's a suicide run!" I get the impression Poe knew what he was talking about in that moment. It's 0:08 or thereabouts on this video, ruclips.net/video/KIhIDivbd-o/видео.html .
Edit: I might be wrong. That still may only mean that they knew Finn would die doing it, not that it would fail, but I originally took it to mean that the plan would fail. Can't currently locate anything else on the matter without watching the movie again.
If there’s air then there’s moisture, it just needed to be concentrated condensation based on the connection.
You don't have to love everything about this movie to love this movie.
That's how I feel. It has its flaws and definite misses. There are things that I wish had been done differently. However, I find this movie so compelling.
I can't love a movie that feels like 1/3 shouldn't have happened.
I agree every movie has flaws none are perfect
The problem, in my mind, with Snoke is that he went out too fast after being built up to be this hugely powerful force user. True, fans did over-hype Snoke. But what is also true, and shouldn't be ignored, is that The Force Awakens builds up Snoke, his powers, his authority, his influence, and leaves him a mystery for the fans to discuss and theorize on. He was this mysterious massive dark-side force which seemingly turned Kylo to the dark side, the movie begs for the viewer to ask "who is this guy? Why is he so powerful? How did he convert Kylo? Etc." These aren't the only movies to ever see a fan base who theorized about a character/mystery. Plenty of massively popular series (Example: the MCU) have built up questions in previous films, leaving the audience to theorize, and then answers those questions later. The issue with The Last Jedi is that despite the questions being raised in The Force Awakens, they are never answered in any meaningful way almost as if to discourage any speculation or theorizing at all, which to me just seems like a bad way to galvanize a fanbase. Fans become fans because they love the media they are watching. Fans become a community when they discuss the media and create a community through shared enjoyment and discussion, specualtion and theories are apart of that and it felt like Rian Johnson didn't understand that and ignored it.
Ok, rant over. Thought it needed to be said given how massive a fan of Star Wars everyone here is. TLDR; Snoke's fate was bad because it didn't answer questions that were raised in Force Awakens not because the fans speculated and didn't get what they want.
Except there was really nothing interesting about Snoke. Andy Serkis gave the role his all, but in terms of character and motivation, Snoke was just Palpatine 2.0 With An Even More Fucked-Up Face, and they did the smartest thing they could with such a nothing character: make him a red herring. An obstacle in the way of the real Big Bad's quest for power.
Thespis64 you can say that now that he’s dead and gone. But at the time of Last Jedi that just wasn’t the case. He had potential. The whole point of those Snoke theories wasn’t, in my opinion, because fans were building up things they wanted only to cry when they didn’t happen, it was because we were curious and expected answers or some kind of development in the Last Jedi to explain him. It’s more about lost potential. In the post-Last Jedi world, Snoke was nothing boring and uneventful. But that idea is a result of him being unexplained, underdeveloped, and underutilized in that very movie. That’s a fault of the movie not giving some kind of context not the fault of the character himself or the fans.
Why didn't the Dreadnought just shoot at the Raddus flagship instead of the stationary, abandoned rebel base? Would have made a better movie if it was 2 minutes long. It ruined lightsaber fights and space battles (and the canon reasons to make them 'one-off' or 'impossible' don't fly- two answers: turning lightsabers on-and-off while off-body blocking, and go find a large asteroid for your kamikaze hyperdrive).
Also, I still personally have mixed feelings on "Jake". I just agree with Mark Hamill more.
It didn't ruin anything. The old movies and their internal logic, space battles and lightsaber fights still exist. This movie just did them wrong.
8:19 MY CABBAGES!
"Could be between time and space" Well Rick needs to watch Rebels now
While it has issues I think it's definitely the best of the sequel trilogy
The fact this movie has some the best and worst stuff in all of Star Wars in it at the same time is what is so frustrating about it. The Canto Bight and Holdo stuff is aggravatingly terrible, but then the Luke/Rey/Kylo/Snoke stuff is so fantastic. The Yoda scene is one of the best written scenes since Empire.
watashi if I had a stick up my arse I'd be one of the people that acts like Rian Johnson is the new Hitler and it's the worst movie ever.
I apparently lost my legitimacy as a Star Wars fan because I didn't hate The Last Jedi. I felt like the movie had a few issues but overall I really enjoyed it. It seems that a lot of complaints stem from Rey's origin story (or lack thereof), but that was one of my favorite things about it. I liked the fact that she was a nobody. Apparently there's a bunch of other logistical inconsistencies but I guess I didn't pick up on those.
Either way I can admit I'm not a "fanatic" so maybe that lent to my enjoyment (I didn't obsess over marketing or theories leading to release). Though I for sure would call myself a SW fan (watched the OT as a kid and fell in love).
I'm almost thankful that I'm not a fanatic considering the consensus from that crowd, but I appreciate everyone's opinions and I'm happy to admit I don't have the same "deep lore" perspective that others have. All I can say is that I'm really excited for IX and I'll be there in my SW shirt for the midnight viewing! :)
I love this film. Once got asked by someone "Did someone pay you to say that", just so saying - one of the best Star Wars film I've ever watched (controversial opinion I'm aware).
I really wished they dove into the lore of how luke felt the jedi should end. He played it so well. I wish they had a whole TV show about this post jedi world. Like its something all masters end up in. A sort of despair.
For a thousand generations the jedi kept the peace........so it made no sense
I have always liked The Last Jedi. I love that idea of Luke being proven as a man, not a god by reputation essentially. Showing him broken because of what happened at his temple, then redeeming himself I think was very important. The only scene I absolutely despise is Canto Bite. If they took that out this movie would be sooooo much better.
Holdo should have shared her plan with Poe, but she chose to be difficult.
Also, I love Roses’s musical theme. It’s very catchy and hopeful.
That final shot at the end gave me chills. That was so cool.
I really like the idea of Canto bight, it shows how in the middle of a huge war between good and evil there are people profiting from the war. It brings more realism to the Star Wars universe. It also gives a side plot to Finn, showing that he's not dependent on Rey to be in the story and introduced Rose and DJ whose purpose is to influence Finn what side he wants to fight for, Rose representing the light, and DJ a selfish "grey area." But I agree that it could've been executed a lot better.
Holdo didn't tell the plan because Poe was demoted, (for starting an useless attack that killed a lot of people) and thus cant be trusted. I liked the concept of Holdo too, because she's a character that the audience was supposed to disagree with, but later in the movie you realize that she was right. "she was more interested in protecting the light, than seeming like a hero" as Leia said, I think it's pretty cool concept of a character. Sorta reminds me of Mace Windu. I don't know if the purple hair was intentional to reflect Windu's lightsaber lol.
As much as I wanted to like this movie I did not, I saw it twice in the theater and both times I disliked it more, but I do respect you’re guy’s opinion and you’re review , keep up the good work
as soon as cantobite hits
"we dont have time for this" XD
The main point of the Canto Bight scenes, that make them relevant to include, is that they gave Rose opportunity to show Finn, first hand, why it's so important for people to take a stand against the first order, rather than just running away & hiding, as Finn was doing. That realization gave Finn purpose, a reason to fight, alongside Rose, Rey, Poe, & the rest of the resistance. That, to me, is more than enough reason for their inclusion. On top of that, an equally important reason for including them is that they provide all-important flavor & atmosphere in that Galaxy far, far away. They show us more of the universe in which our heroes live. They're like the icing on a birthday cake. Without flavor & atmosphere, these movies would just be linear plotlines, with no sense of wonder at all. Without something to show us we're in a Star Wars film, we might as well be watching any generic sci-fi film.
The main point of the Canto Bight scenes, that make them relevant to include, is that they gave Rose opportunity to show Finn, first hand, why it's so important for people to take a stand against the first order, rather than just running away & hiding, as Finn was doing. That realization gave Finn purpose, a reason to fight, alongside Rose, Rey, Poe, & the rest of the resistance. That, to me, is more than enough reason for their inclusion. On top of that, an equally important reason for including them is that they provide all-important flavor & atmosphere in that Galaxy far, far away. They show us more of the universe in which our heroes live. They're like the icing on a birthday cake. Without flavor & atmosphere, these movies would just be linear plotlines, with no sense of wonder at all. Without something to show us we're in a Star Wars film, we might as well be watching any generic sci-fi film.
Robert Murrhee and yet, the only species depicted in that scene that we’ve seen before this movie, other than humans of course, is the chandrafan that gets mentioned in the novelization. IMO, it was the least Star Wars a Star Wars movie has ever felt. In the theatre watching, I fell asleep for a second during the chase scene and woke up thinking I was watching Valerian or something.
@@williamwebb580 We don't have to have seen species we've seen before for it to feel like Star Wars. The whole point of scenes that add flavor to the universe, that engage in world-building, is to show us something of the Star Wars universe we haven't seen before now, new species, a new planetary locale, things that enrich that universe as a whole by their inclusion. Places like Jabba's palace, the Mos Eisley cantina, in fact, Mos Eisley itself, & Mos Espa, the pod race arena. Even the Death Star. Sure, important plotlines took place in those locations, but the locales themselves were still parts of the Star Wars universe we hadn't seen. They could have taken place in one location, but the film was engaging in world-building with each new locale we visited, including Canto Bight. If showing us Canto Bight was unnecessary, then, by the same reasoning, so too was setting those other scenes in Jabba's palace, Mos Eisley, the cantina there, or even Tattooine, or Hoth, or Endor. Those were wondrous new locales we'd never seen until then. So too is Canto Bight. Just because you personally don't care for that locale, doesn't make it a bad or uninteresting one, except to you, & just because you personally want the plot to just keep moving forward past whatever you deem irrelevant doesn't mean it should. Just because some might feel the scene of the Falcon hiding inside the space slug in Empire Strikes Back was filler & completely unnecessary to the overall plotline, & just wanted the characters to hurry up & get to Bespin so the plot could move forward doesn't mean it should be left out of the film. People are so concerned with moving the plot forward at breakneck speed that they've forgotten to just sit back & enjoy the ride, enjoy the world-building scenes, the new locales, new species, new starships, etc.
@@robertmurrhee6016 Two problems with that. One, like Rick and OP said "We don't have time for this"! It broke the flow of the plot and completely derailed the sense of agency of the Resistance's situation. If they wanted to display some atmosphere and wonder then they shouldn't have made the entire plot a slow ass chase scene. And two, Rose completely 180's what she "taught" Finn by stopping his big hero moment because she suddenly loves him for no reason.
There're 3 things in this movie I couldn't defend even if I tried to:
1. Resistance bombers
2. Rose
3. Holdo
Think girls are icky, do you?
@@wtw5002 these two absolutely
wtw5002 bro, them being girls has nothing to do with how flat and 1 dimensional their characters are. Thinking that way is a very ignorant mindset to anything that something may be wrong. That’s like me saying I don’t like Finn’s character and then you saying “oh it’s cuz he’s black huh?” It’s immature and isn’t a good defense.
I love The Last Jedi, each surprising moment led to another and got me more and more hyped.
Rogue one is the best Star Wars movie Disney has been able to cough up, change my mind.
You're right. Why would anyone want to change your mind?
Yeah, no doubt. Mando series is amazing but rouge one was only movie I really enjoyed. Tbh though, solo wasn't as bad as most think imo *hides*
It wasn't without issues but I enjoyed how different it was from the other movies. Definitely one of my favorites.
From a pure film making point of view its worse then the force awakens but i could see why some one would like it more because the story is more unique
Even Rogue One is bland, boring with shitty characters. Your mind = Changed.
Fun Fact -- The Master Codebreaker (the one shooting craps, not Del Toro), is Justin Theroux.
He played the evil wizard Lezaar in "Your Highness"(with Danny McBride and James Franco).
He also has sole writing credits for Iron Man 2.
:-)
Its actually alot more enjoyable edited this way
synopsis: "this is the best thing I've seen in Star Wars in years. . .but I have a lot of problems with it." solid point.
Yeah love Rick's reaction. Last Jedi is my third favorite Star Wars Movie, so glad Rick enjoyed it. I hope episode 9 is even better.
What are your first and second favorite?? I despise TLJ but I can respect your opinion to like it
Sammy Dray my Favorite is Empire and my second is revenge of the sith. I know it’s weird to have the Last Jedi so high, I recognize this movie has problems and completely understand why some absolutely dislike it. To me the Luke stuff, the fight with the Pratorian guard and everything with Kylo, Ray, and Snoke are just amazing.
Sammy Dray what is your top three?
What a shame
imagine having opinions on things, right?
Who runs the galaxy? What state is it in? Why are they called the resistance if they were in charge? Who are they resisting? What even is the first order? Why is Rey so powerful in the force? What were the 3 lessons that Luke taught Rey? Also how did the first order come up with and have enough resources to be able to take over the galaxy after they lost their super power the death star? Also didn't snoke tell Kylo to return to him to complete his training? What happened to that?
@Oscar Alvarenga Why leave any remnants of the empire at all? Why not do the smart thing and destroy them? Why not hunt them down?
@Oscar Alvarenga They were technically still at war according to the battle of Jakku.
@Oscar Alvarenga just seen the rise of Skywalker and the first order apparently ruled it. How this happened is beyond me.
I've been looking forward to this. On the real tho, I had my issues with this one but I'm really excited for Episode IX. I've slowly accepted TLJ a little more the more I watch it and cinematography wise this one is the most beautiful one's to watch. And that Luke moment on Crait is amazing!!
I love all Star Wars it’s all amazing to me. I cannot wait for TRoS I’m seeing it on the 19th (first time I’ve been to a first day opening for any movie)
8:05. We don't have time for this... Exactly.
People can have different opinions dude.
Sam Chester it’s not even opinion that’s a fact there friends are dying and there just on a mini adventure
Blayton Gregory
That isn’t how facts work. It’s an opinion.
And yet, we wasted a third of the movie on it. :P
Sam Snyder so it’s not a fact that the rebels and friends were dying 🤔
I know many people complain about the Leia in Space scene, but honestly when I first saw that scene in theaters, a freaking tear came to my eye! Not tears of sadness or disappointment, but of emotion. The music, the cinematography, and the fact that we see Leia use the Force outside of sensing people was, for me, amazing!
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE TRAP IN THE ROOM!
Fleet Admiral Akbar should always have been the one to ram the Supremacy with the Raddus. If that one event had been done, and his death was truly given the honour and justice it deserved, I would have been able to forgive this film, over the numberous gripes which I have had with it.
I know people like to pick apart the throne room fight scene for its flaws, but (and this is just my opinion) when you're watching this as a movie and not picking apart scenes, I think that throne room sequence works really well. Especially the moment the saber flies through Snoke into Rey's hand and they turn back to back.
So glad you enjoy it Rick. I don’t, but if someone can I’m happy for them.
The JFO show wow how refreshing. mostly people who like the movie get called a shill, an idiot, or not a true SW fan. Props to you! 👍
Ryan Sutter thanks. I just think that I try so hard to like the Last Jedi, and if someone does like that then wouldn’t it be hypocritical to then tear them down. Out of curiosity what’s your opinion?
2:52 *Cue sitcom audience laughter*
That was the point where the movie started losing me completely. So anti-climactic and stupid.
@@Merwanor They literally made the movie of joke. Reminded me more of Guardians of the Galaxy than Star Wars with it's "humor"
@@kevincos4450 yeah and i hate that lmao takes me out of the immersion
Every comedic moment in the movie misfit the rest of the movie, and the rest of the other live-action movies. When Han Solo said "that's not how the Force works" in Episode 7 it didn't break the flow, and it didn't jive with the character. My main problem with this movie is that it tried to be Guardians of the Galaxy.
You thought the humor was trying to imitate Guardians of the Galaxy? I’m actually confused as to what made you think that. The comedy in this film didn’t ever strike me as being similar.
@@a_fine_edition2746 It didn't strike you that way, because it failed!
@@coladict You're saying it failed because the main problem you had with it didn't strike with someone else? You're being contradicting.
I love you guys... I wish you had Yoda's "The greates teacher, failure is..." was in there, because IMO it is the central idea behind the entire movie: Everybody failed in their missions, and they all learned from it. Luke from his failure to kylo. Rey from her failure to bring back both Luke nad kylo, finn's failure in the cassino turned him into a rebel, bc he now cares about the entire galaxy instead of only Rey, Poe became a Leader after he: sacrificed the entire rebel fighter and bomber fleet, revealed Holdo's plan on speaker to someone who simply sold the info to save his skin and killed the rest of the resistence :-p, and finally he descided to stop and think instead of just blowing stuff up. Concerning Holdo, I think she did not reveal anything about her plan, because noone (of the three who figured it out) told her how the first order was following them through light speed,Poe was forced to tell her after he had already acted behind her back and sent Rose (who could actualy explain everything) away. So the only logical conclusion she could reach up to that point was that she had a spy amongst the people she didn't know. Who might very well be the mechanic leading them to a wild goose chase by the way. I think I can find many reasons for holdo to stay quiet, but still... I LOVE how much you love star wars, this might just be my favorite one...
@Joshua Lambert Rey failed at bringing Luke back, she failed at bringing Ben back. She beat Kylo once when he was wounded by the bowcaster and she had the force by her side and he had just killed his father. I don't know what the problem with poe's and finns backstory is... Han solo didn't have a backstory until one year ago. Palpi didn't have a backstory for years after Return of the Jedi. They had complete character arcs in the movies, one turning into a leader one turning into a resistance soldier. Never really cared about Phasma. What does the phrase "Holdo criticized him about tactics and then did the same thing even mean?" Poe sacrificed the entire resistance fighter and bomber fleet to destroy one ship (the first order has more of those, the resistance doesn't, or pilots,or crew.That is the problem), Holdo had a legit strategy, the problem is that she did not share it with Poe, but that was a rational descision considering that she did not know how they were being followed, I explained above how Poe screwed up on that one as well. The problem is that we really liked Poe from the previous movie and she got in his face at the beggining of the movie, because we were supposed not to like her and distrust her,(that is also why ackbar was not there, also he is a meme with 1,30 minutes of screentime) we were supposed to see it from Poes point of view as well so that when his plans failed, we would learn from his failure too, following yoda's teachings. And finally perhaps you are forgetting some SW facts like the part where a 17 year old Luke kills an entire Death Star of people and comes back home laughing (probably just killed more people than hitler with a single button), or the fact that he turned his Father, that he was trying to save, into a piniata on the ground bc he talked shit about his sister. Luke is not a Saint, he never was. He was an intergallactic Knight/ space wizard. And he got an awesome character arc in TLJ instead of being a coward hidng on the island sensing planets being destroyed and doing nothing about it. Also I don't care for chosen ones, it is a really stupid concept that needs to be outgrown by our stories. Anyone can make a difference in this world. And no I don't mean everyone, I mean anyone, and that is what Rey represents, unless they decide to turn her into space Jeasus too by the end of the trilogy. Our protagonists are just random People who took action when they got the chance. And I love that, None of them are perfect, no SW movie is, but they are awesome none the less. and at this point we are probably never going to agree on any of this but I do have a question. Did you have any problem with Baby yoda (whose brain has not developed enough to speak yet) forcelifting that Rhyno thing?
The thing that bothers me with not knowing who Snoke is the argument "We didn't know who Palpatine was". There is something fundamentally different because TLJ and TFA come after. There is an in-between Episode 6 and Episode 7. And it's not 100 years, it's 30. In 30 years, such a powerful force user, Leader of the First Order, needs an origin. Because there was something before. During the OT, there was no "before", so obviously we could be satisfied by Sidious as big bad guy and that's all.