One alternative you can also do is backup to a USB drive and then take it to the remote synology and plug it in and re-join the task. The benefit is that if you ever need to restore bulk data, you can bring back just the external drive back your place instead of the entire synology box. This of course assumes you don't care about redudnancy. However, in my case, I have a backup to a local external drive, the cloud, and the remote drive taking place at the same exact time, so it doesn't really matter if one of them dies. I love hyper backup. I also recommend doing backup verification every few weeks to ensure no bit rot took place with those external drives, since they are not in any redundant array. How you approach this is up to the use case. Synology is amazing.
I also use Hyper Backup to remotely backup both NASses to each other for a few years now. Works like a charm! One's at work the other one's at home. I have a site-to-site VPN over which the backups run. I recently changed to weekly backups instead of daily.
Another great video Lon. I’ve been doing this exact thing about a year now. I have two local NAS’s, one main and another backup where I do a local Hyper Backup. Then I have another NAS at my daughter’s house with two Storage Pools, one for my remote backup of my main NAS and the other for my daughter to store data for housing my NAS. Then I figured why not, I the did a remote Hyper Backup of her Storage Pool to my backup NAS at my house. This has been an excellent two way solution and for me a 3-2-1 backup strategy! All thanks to Tailscale! 👍🏻👍🏻
Sounds great, I'm planning to do the same, basically to backup my data to my mum's NAS and she would backup her data to my NAS. What RAID configuration do you use for both places?
@@Ed17151On my primary NAS, (8) 14tb drives I use SHR-2. On the backup NAS, (6) 14tb drives I use SHR. On the remote NAS, (4) 16tb drives I use SHR. Forget to mention, on the remote NAS, I hung a 16tb USB drive off it for a local backup at my daughter’s house. Also, all PC’s and Mac backup to my primary NAS. My daughter’s Laptop backs up to her storage pool on the remote NAS. For connectivity I use Tailscale. Has would flawlessly. Don’t think I could do any better than that. 😊
@ You bet and thanks! Yeah, took some time to plan out the strategy and acquire everything, but am real happy with the outcome. BTW, at the same time I upgraded my network to 10GbE and setup a VLAN to isolate my IoT devices from my Primary and Guest networks. These were surely a labor of love! 😊 Best of luck setting yours up! I think you’ll be happy in the end. 👍🏻👍🏻
I wish i had the money for a 2nd Synology NAS. It sooo user friendly and endless posibilities!!! Love mine. Thanks for showing this, these videos are the best info!
Nice tutorial very clear... 1 crucial steps you missed. it took me several hours to figure out. -When you create a 'backups' user, you need to add it to group of administrators otherwise it will be inaccessible from the source NAS TIP: if you performed the backup using another user and planning to change to newly created 'backup' user, you need to go to destination NAS, click the .hbk file and change the owner to 'backup' user. Otherwise you will not be able to start hyperbackup from the source. error: 'only the owner of this backup task is allowed'
Trank you, your clear explanation made easy to follow this tutorial. The only problem I had to resolve was to allow popup windows in my browser for my Synolgy NAS. This was needed when creating a new Hyper Backup task and connecting to the backup target.
I am not able to get it to login to the tailscale on the remote NAS yet while testing locally. I can use local IP and that works but not tailscale. Error during login during setup of the backup in hyperbackup. Any ideas?
I set up something similar recently after picking up a used DS418 as a remote backup unit. Pretty smooth to set up for the most part and gives me that peace of mind of having a remote backup. Not sure if this was covered already but when would you pick "Snapshot Replication" vs. "Hyper Backup"?
If you had used the Tailscale address for the first phase instead of the local IP address, would that backup session have been routed over the internet and back in to the destination NAS that was at the same location for the first phase? Or is the router smart enough to understand that device is local even though you may have used the Tailscale address?
@@LonSeidman I understand the continuity with the tailscale address when the device was relocated. I was asking what would have happened if you had used the tailscale address in the first phase when both devices were on the same local network, if the backup data would have been routed out over the internet or would it have gone direct over the local network, even though the tailscale address was used. I think I failed to communicate my question properly the first time.
@@warsurplus Ahh - as I understand how tailscale works it will encrypt the data at the souce machine but it would transit over the local network - not the internet. So it'll likely be a little slower but it shouldn't route over the Internet first.
Hi Lon! Very useful as usual, but a complete recovery video would be amazing. Lets say your main nas gets stolen or destroyed, the process of full recovery in such a case seems to be a bit of a niche
Extremely helpful video. In my use case, my father has a DS120 at his house and I have a DS124 as the remote backup unit. Both units have identical Seagate 8TB IronWolf HDDs. Only one issue is that my father has a fiber connection that is 100Mbps down and only 20Mbps up. I have a gigabit fiber connection speed downstream, but my upstream bandwidth is limited to 50Mbps; would this mean than remote backups could potentially be much slower if the upstream speed is 20Mbps?
Hello. Nice tutorial, but I have problem with setting up backup on second NAS. I mean Backup destination settings (time 9:09 on video). I set destination IP and pressed login, but noting happened. I also legged to destination DSM as backups user. Whet I tried to enter shared folder, I got message login first, so I can not go further. Any hint?
So let me see if I understand this. Tailscale allows you to connect your machines between each other but it's not a 'VPN' like a 'classical' VPN (ExpressVPN, NordVPN, and others). My normal browsing and internet traffic goes through the ISP but if I want to get to the NAS, or any other servers, with Tailscale I can do that? I've had my Synology NAS plugged in to the internet for a while now and I have few ports open. Among the many steps I've taken to keep it safe has been blocking all traffic from outside the country I live in. Nothing has knocked on its door. The other question would be if you can use the Synology mobile apps with Tailscale. This is critical to me. Because if this does work, I will consider going the Tailscale route and closing those ports up.
Right - Tailscale is a personal VPN so it'll interconnect your devices without the need to open up ports - much more secure IMHO and you can keep everything locked behind your router.. See my Tailscale over view: ruclips.net/video/_Yhkg-0KDXU/видео.html And yes they have a mobile app too so it'll work with their mobile apps. Works great.
@@LonSeidman interesting. I've had my NAS exposed to the Internet for a while but I always worry about exploitable weaknesses. Even though I've taken other precautions as well (disabled admin account, strong passwords from a password manager, 2FA). I'll certainly need to look at this closely. Thank you for putting this together.
I am picking this up half way through, I'd already done the first bit - backup on my LAN, perhaps stupidly i just expected this functionality to be part of quick connect as synology do advise it as a first party solution... only to find that when I plugged my backup NAS in at my parents house everything was offline. Tried to put in quickconnect ID, no go - so set up tailscale - i was already using it for lightroom shares on my laptop anyway.... linked the new backup NAS to my original via google account. Added the tast to task manager and restarted the NAS (both). No luck - tailscale IP still returns offline. I am not sure why or how to fix. Any idea - perhaps a port forwarding issue somewhere but I am a bit rusty on that side of things. Not really done port forwarding since direct IP to IP Gaming 15 or 20 years ago!
@@LonSeidman Thanks for the reply, yes I have set that - I have got it to a stage where it accepts the IP but just sits there saying "connecting" in blue coloured text.
@@LonSeidman I've managed to setup by setting a DDNS server and forwarding the required port on my backup NAS LAN. Set the IP to static DNS so i've got round it but curious as to why the tailscale method doesn't work as in theory it should be easy
Hmm got strange problem When i use quickconnect id transfer is locked on 120kb/s When i use tailscale it lock out at 1,2mb/s Hard to do any serious backup with those speeds, Someone get to issue like this?
seems like not that popular topic or kind of "stupid" questions category so i will answer myself, if someone intrested, you need to forward ports on one of the locations and you can try then, for me best result was with ddns although havent tried tailscale with open ports yet
One alternative you can also do is backup to a USB drive and then take it to the remote synology and plug it in and re-join the task. The benefit is that if you ever need to restore bulk data, you can bring back just the external drive back your place instead of the entire synology box. This of course assumes you don't care about redudnancy. However, in my case, I have a backup to a local external drive, the cloud, and the remote drive taking place at the same exact time, so it doesn't really matter if one of them dies. I love hyper backup. I also recommend doing backup verification every few weeks to ensure no bit rot took place with those external drives, since they are not in any redundant array. How you approach this is up to the use case. Synology is amazing.
I also use Hyper Backup to remotely backup both NASses to each other for a few years now. Works like a charm! One's at work the other one's at home. I have a site-to-site VPN over which the backups run. I recently changed to weekly backups instead of daily.
Another great video Lon. I’ve been doing this exact thing about a year now. I have two local NAS’s, one main and another backup where I do a local Hyper Backup. Then I have another NAS at my daughter’s house with two Storage Pools, one for my remote backup of my main NAS and the other for my daughter to store data for housing my NAS. Then I figured why not, I the did a remote Hyper Backup of her Storage Pool to my backup NAS at my house. This has been an excellent two way solution and for me a 3-2-1 backup strategy! All thanks to Tailscale! 👍🏻👍🏻
Sounds great, I'm planning to do the same, basically to backup my data to my mum's NAS and she would backup her data to my NAS.
What RAID configuration do you use for both places?
@@Ed17151On my primary NAS, (8) 14tb drives I use SHR-2. On the backup NAS, (6) 14tb drives I use SHR. On the remote NAS, (4) 16tb drives I use SHR.
Forget to mention, on the remote NAS, I hung a 16tb USB drive off it for a local backup at my daughter’s house.
Also, all PC’s and Mac backup to my primary NAS. My daughter’s Laptop backs up to her storage pool on the remote NAS.
For connectivity I use Tailscale. Has would flawlessly. Don’t think I could do any better than that. 😊
@@tonyvalenti6614 Thanks for the response and WOW, that setup is pretty serious, good job
@ You bet and thanks! Yeah, took some time to plan out the strategy and acquire everything, but am real happy with the outcome.
BTW, at the same time I upgraded my network to 10GbE and setup a VLAN to isolate my IoT devices from my Primary and Guest networks.
These were surely a labor of love! 😊
Best of luck setting yours up! I think you’ll be happy in the end. 👍🏻👍🏻
I wish i had the money for a 2nd Synology NAS. It sooo user friendly and endless posibilities!!! Love mine. Thanks for showing this, these videos are the best info!
Nice tutorial very clear...
1 crucial steps you missed. it took me several hours to figure out.
-When you create a 'backups' user, you need to add it to group of administrators otherwise it will be inaccessible from the source NAS
TIP: if you performed the backup using another user and planning to change to newly created 'backup' user, you need to go to destination NAS, click the .hbk file and change the owner to 'backup' user. Otherwise you will not be able to start hyperbackup from the source. error: 'only the owner of this backup task is allowed'
Trank you, your clear explanation made easy to follow this tutorial. The only problem I had to resolve was to allow popup windows in my browser for my Synolgy NAS. This was needed when creating a new Hyper Backup task and connecting to the backup target.
Thank you so much!! I've stumbled upon the tailscale outbound connection problem, without you I would not have been able to get this going so quickly!
I am not able to get it to login to the tailscale on the remote NAS yet while testing locally. I can use local IP and that works but not tailscale. Error during login during setup of the backup in hyperbackup. Any ideas?
Thanks Lon, you saved me almost my entire life of work. 🙏
Great video! Thank you.
I set up something similar recently after picking up a used DS418 as a remote backup unit. Pretty smooth to set up for the most part and gives me that peace of mind of having a remote backup. Not sure if this was covered already but when would you pick "Snapshot Replication" vs. "Hyper Backup"?
If you had used the Tailscale address for the first phase instead of the local IP address, would that backup session have been routed over the internet and back in to the destination NAS that was at the same location for the first phase? Or is the router smart enough to understand that device is local even though you may have used the Tailscale address?
Yes I mentioned this in the video - if you use the tailscale address it'll just pick up right where it left off when relocated.
@@LonSeidman I understand the continuity with the tailscale address when the device was relocated. I was asking what would have happened if you had used the tailscale address in the first phase when both devices were on the same local network, if the backup data would have been routed out over the internet or would it have gone direct over the local network, even though the tailscale address was used. I think I failed to communicate my question properly the first time.
It would work just the same just like Lon said.
@@warsurplus Ahh - as I understand how tailscale works it will encrypt the data at the souce machine but it would transit over the local network - not the internet. So it'll likely be a little slower but it shouldn't route over the Internet first.
@@LonSeidman Thank you for the clarification Lon. Another useful video.
Hi Lon! Very useful as usual, but a complete recovery video would be amazing. Lets say your main nas gets stolen or destroyed, the process of full recovery in such a case seems to be a bit of a niche
Question can i setup tailscale to access my synology from my cellphone like if i need to get a document. ?
Yes they have mobile apps too!
Extremely helpful video. In my use case, my father has a DS120 at his house and I have a DS124 as the remote backup unit. Both units have identical Seagate 8TB IronWolf HDDs. Only one issue is that my father has a fiber connection that is 100Mbps down and only 20Mbps up. I have a gigabit fiber connection speed downstream, but my upstream bandwidth is limited to 50Mbps; would this mean than remote backups could potentially be much slower if the upstream speed is 20Mbps?
Keep up the great work
how do you know what the tailscale IP is
if you click on your tail scale machine in the list it shows it right there to copy.
Hello. Nice tutorial, but I have problem with setting up backup on second NAS. I mean Backup destination settings (time 9:09 on video). I set destination IP and pressed login, but noting happened. I also legged to destination DSM as backups user. Whet I tried to enter shared folder, I got message login first, so I can not go further. Any hint?
I had the same problem. Allowing popup windows in the settings of my browser for Synology solved this problem.
Great video. I know my stuff pretty well and this video was no fluff just facts. Thank you sir.
So let me see if I understand this. Tailscale allows you to connect your machines between each other but it's not a 'VPN' like a 'classical' VPN (ExpressVPN, NordVPN, and others). My normal browsing and internet traffic goes through the ISP but if I want to get to the NAS, or any other servers, with Tailscale I can do that? I've had my Synology NAS plugged in to the internet for a while now and I have few ports open. Among the many steps I've taken to keep it safe has been blocking all traffic from outside the country I live in. Nothing has knocked on its door.
The other question would be if you can use the Synology mobile apps with Tailscale. This is critical to me. Because if this does work, I will consider going the Tailscale route and closing those ports up.
Right - Tailscale is a personal VPN so it'll interconnect your devices without the need to open up ports - much more secure IMHO and you can keep everything locked behind your router.. See my Tailscale over view: ruclips.net/video/_Yhkg-0KDXU/видео.html
And yes they have a mobile app too so it'll work with their mobile apps. Works great.
@@LonSeidman interesting. I've had my NAS exposed to the Internet for a while but I always worry about exploitable weaknesses. Even though I've taken other precautions as well (disabled admin account, strong passwords from a password manager, 2FA). I'll certainly need to look at this closely. Thank you for putting this together.
Good Job... can this remote backup be done using Synology Drive? and have you done video on that?
Is outbound TUN connection only required on the server sending the back up to the remote device? Or does it need to be on both?
‼️Wow! It was so easy I gave up half way through 🙃
Will your mom be able to backup her data to your NAS in her home and the ones in your home?
Yes that would work in the reverse too.
Very interesting. I am wondering if this is gonna work without Tailscale? Or with another VPN service? (I use NORDVPN)
You did not cover the firewall rules which I cannot get the backup setup?
Great video.
Does anyone know how to delete an existing hyper backup on the Synology? I don't seem to see an option to delete an existing backup. Thanks.
I am picking this up half way through, I'd already done the first bit - backup on my LAN, perhaps stupidly i just expected this functionality to be part of quick connect as synology do advise it as a first party solution... only to find that when I plugged my backup NAS in at my parents house everything was offline. Tried to put in quickconnect ID, no go - so set up tailscale - i was already using it for lightroom shares on my laptop anyway.... linked the new backup NAS to my original via google account. Added the tast to task manager and restarted the NAS (both).
No luck - tailscale IP still returns offline. I am not sure why or how to fix. Any idea - perhaps a port forwarding issue somewhere but I am a bit rusty on that side of things. Not really done port forwarding since direct IP to IP Gaming 15 or 20 years ago!
Did you do the outbound connection patch at 3:04?
@@LonSeidman Thanks for the reply, yes I have set that - I have got it to a stage where it accepts the IP but just sits there saying "connecting" in blue coloured text.
@@LonSeidman I've managed to setup by setting a DDNS server and forwarding the required port on my backup NAS LAN. Set the IP to static DNS so i've got round it but curious as to why the tailscale method doesn't work as in theory it should be easy
Hmm got strange problem
When i use quickconnect id transfer is locked on 120kb/s
When i use tailscale it lock out at 1,2mb/s
Hard to do any serious backup with those speeds,
Someone get to issue like this?
seems like not that popular topic or kind of "stupid" questions category so i will answer myself,
if someone intrested, you need to forward ports on one of the locations and you can try then,
for me best result was with ddns although havent tried tailscale with open ports yet
Are there any companies that will host a remote Synology NAS?
My next gen TV tuner from adth arrived today I will post a video this weekend.
LOL You don't have to hide Tailscale IP, it's not a public IP
If you know what hard ware device that’s being used, then it’s not a cloud service.
It’s a plain old internet service.
better tell how to backup on a remote PC
Which Talescale plan are you using? Can you provide more details on Talescale?
See here !
ruclips.net/video/_Yhkg-0KDXU/видео.html