I flew on this very plane, flight 611, 7 times. It was always the same flight crew for the morning leg from Taipei to Hong Kong. ( this 747 only flew the heavy traffic route between Taipei and HK, about 3 flights and 3 returns every day. The morning flight was always numbered 611.) I flew on this plane the morning before the accident. Arrived in HK, settled in my hotel, applied for my visa to the mainland, had a dinner with a client and when I woke the next morning, I saw the news that 611 had gone down. Those stewardesses who I knew by name and who knew me from my frequent trips, all dead. Had I booked one day later, I would have been with them.
This accident shows the consequences if a repair on an airplane is not done correctly. I feel sorry for everyone on that flight. May they all rest in peace.
Same here man and I've literally investigated hundreds of mainly plane crashes with my grandfather, use to be like our past time and at one point I wanted to be an NTSB Investigator but having to constantly face the deaths of tons of people who in many cases should absolutely still be alive since most aircraft disasters are very or completely preventable...I figured it would anger me and tear me up to where I couldn't do my job correctly
I'm just a bit impressed about the length of time that passed between the tail strike and the ultimate failure 22 years later. That's a long life for something subjected to stresses like a plane.
goes to show how long it took for the cracks to radiate out from the original damage in the special avionics alloy aluminum. It is hard stuff. But still this even truly needed structural engineer types that could for see disaster and repair successfully. If not they would have scrapped that plane for it's parts.
I remember that! We actually flew on this plane to HK just half a year before the crash. It was the most uncomfortable flight ever, and some people were throwing up from dizziness, my sister was one of them, and we fly regularly without ever feeling sick. We were in so much shock when we saw the news. It is impressive that they were able to recover the wreckage and analyze what happened. Even more impressive that all these years later, I get to learn about it too. I totally forgot about this.
a little off topic but, has anyone else noticed these seemingly AI generated thumbnails they've started using recently? I mean, look at the 747 in the thumbnail, the wings go back to the tail?? 😂
@@Riverside_Railfan417 yes, it’s super strange to me. I mean look at all of the actors, props, and footage they have on their own, a thumbnail should be pretty easy to capture, I think. I understand they need as many clicks as possible but an ai-generated thumbnail just seems a little out abilities.
It was not the first time this kind of event had been badly repaired. The previous one was done by Boeing themselves, a repair to the rear pressure bulkhead.
R.I.P.! To All Souls On Board!!😑🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤ I agree with you John!!! These People are Amazing like you said, and never cease to be Exemplary!!! It's like they find a certain grain of Sand on miles of endless beaches!! It's the mastering of Forensics!! Just mind Blowing!!😳🤔🤔🤔
@@stringpicker5468 As critical this structure is, I was so surprised they allow mechanics to do the body repair when they truly do not have the same intuitive knowledge of the structures (as the designers)for safety like they know how to repair the engines or functioning parts of plane.
I would not call this an accident. I would call it pure negligence caused by laziness. Those who had neglected their jobs, 20 years ago, should be found and prosecuted.
More likely they were ordered to carry out this work by a supervisor who was being pressured, to reduce maintenance costs, by some "penny pincher" administrator.
@@PhilipGibbs-s6x This is the part that a lot of people that have never been in aircraft maintenance don't understand. Majority of the maintainers are trying to fix the jet, but every time you report to supervision that something requires extensive work, it's always challenged, trying to save time and money.
its angering that its so similar to jal 123, a poorly repaired tailstrike. there is no excuse for it to happen yet again. every airline should have looked over each plane that had tailstrike repairs to ensure everything was done correctly after jal 123 back in 1985.
@@ncant I feel like that makes it even worse. If Boeing is doing it wrong, then every airline's maintenance team should double check that no similar errors happened.
@ and in a flawed system without proper checks and balances and focused more on profits those types of people will typically flourish. very much starts at the top.
Similar incident happened on a Japan AIr Flight 123, where repair was done by Boeing but it ended up with a structural failure at the rear tail section of the air craft resulting in cabin pressure loss. 505 out of 509 passenger died and only 4 survived.
Yeap they didn't do the 2nd row of rivets at the tail section. There was only 1 row and eventually the rivets couldn't hold any more parts and sheered off.
Is it just me or has binge watching Green Dot Aviation, Mentour Pilot and this channel made you much more scared of flying? 😢 nowadays, everytime I travel, I just pray 🙏 mumbles a bunch of prayers every time there is a turbulence on my flight
Terrible tragedy. Let's be clear that China Airlines cut corners on the repair TO SAVE MONEY and get the airplane back into the air quicker. This GREED factor will always be with us----more lives will be lost.
This is a sad story, had the airline consulted Boeing on how to fix it, those poor souls would have arrived at their destination safely. It is amazing the aircraft managed to fly for twenty two years before it encounters the final break up mid air.
I would've thought a better long term solution than a patch and then replacing patches everytime there's an inspection, would be to have disposable skid plates fitted as standard on the bottom tail section for all new planes, that when/if damaged can be easily replaced and form no part of the main fuselage.
@@ClarencegHamm The tail section is an obvious place where poor landings and take offs can lead to damage should be constructed to take more punishment. A skid plate should be like a armored crumple zone on a car that takes most the energy out of impacts before it can do damage to the interior and its occupants or parts. It doesn't mean that when the skid plate is damaged, that the fuselage isn't inspected for damage too.
They forgot to explain how the passenger died in such scenario, probably to spare the viewers. Sudden loss of pressure and being sucked out of the plane at 35,000 feet in a fraction of a second. Probably the vacuum itself and the forces on their body no to mention impact with the surrounding metal and if not the then air being sucked out of their lungs with the force of a thousands vacuum cleaner hose collpasing the lungs, they's asphyxiate or loose consciousness from the pain or the low pressure. I don't know just guessing vaguely but that's why i don't like to fly.
Why aren't the tail bumpers mandated on all planes? Tail strikes happen regularly enough that it seems obvious that they should be mandated for all commercial planes.
Blows my mind that if a “tail strike” is common, why wouldn’t that portion have a steel or very thick aluminum skid plate? Not sure how realistic these panels were presented in this video but they appear really thin. Grinding cracks down would thin out the panels even more. The amount of pressures these have to endure it would seem like a no brainer not to repair panels that way. I am no engineer of course but 🤯. I shouldn’t have watched this video LoL. I’ll be trying to look at the tail area if I could. I’m still blown away though, this isn’t body working your weekend beater. wtf??
@@mago97615 When the engine left the plane it severed hydraulic lines for the forward slates making them retract on that wing, changing the stall speed for that wing and that wing then stalled at the slower speed making the plane roll over.
I saw this airplane at Hong Kong airport numerous times while it was flying around with the original temporary repair. The temporary patch covered the APU doors so the APU was removed since it was not accessible. The giveaway was, when viewed from the rear, the red plug in the APU exhaust was visible.
I'm getting good at this! As soon as it said that the tail came apart first, I immediately said, "tail strike." Maybe I've seen too many of these videos. 😆
My Grandfather flew the 747-200 for Iberia from 1982 to his retirement in 1994, a major reason the 747 is my all time favorite aircraft, Japan 123 has been my all time scariest crash since he told me the story of it in 1993 so in 2002 that's what we both immediately thought this was, yea it was closer to TWA Flight 800 and unlike previous crashes my grandfather wasn't able to obtain enough information about China 611 for us both to be confident in our conclusion but given Japan 123 was a 747SR which was specifically built for the Japanese to carry out mostly domestic short flights and more in a day than most long haul aircraft would be subjected to meant Boeing had to build it stronger which we both surmised was a major reason Japan 123 remained intact after the rear pressure bulkhead shattered as opposed to China 611, the design schematics of internal wiring of the 747-200 of 611 that was manufactured in 1979 was also different enough from the 747-100 series of TWA 800 to where we thought it was a possibility but not greater than another breach of the bulkhead, and it irked me how long it took them to look back further before Flight 800 I would think it'd be common sense to look back through all accidents on the aircraft type but I know it's easier said than done and u don't always see what's in front of u and this wasn't even really in front of them...fortunately the crew that worked on this plane did a better job as the plane could've broken up on a flight with much more people on it but what am I saying, Fortunate... when all these people lost their lives in a disaster that has never gotten the attention it deserved imo so even though this is a reupload I'm still glad to see it hopefully makes more people remember these souls
"The day after... China Airlines did a temporary repair." Once again, there's nothing more permanent than a temporary repair. Especially when budgets are involved. :/
I had a lawyer friend who was married to a friend, he had to fly with a working group from México to Guadalajara, rent a car and go to the city from the airport, so when he was in the entrance of the airplane to start the trip he felt something and said, I am not going and did not give his passing board ticket every one told him not to do so and he responded: come down from the airplane, we should not go! They did not do so and left, the lawyer went back home and took a nap, later his wife arrived home and he woke up with the noise of the key onopening the door, and he told his wife: I was about to see God, but you wake me up! I had a dream that I went with the group on the airplane, then we were in the car and there was an accident and the car went down the hill & I felt: Now I am going to die and will see God! But you arrived and I woke up! Next Monday he went to the office and everyone looked at him with surprise: you are not dead! They told him: „ There was an accident with your group in the car and all died! „. So we must do as we feel in certain moments!
Different names in different countries. Happens from time to time when shows are sold in multiple markets. There are also multiple narrators. When I see this show on the Weather Channel here in the US, the narrator is someone with an American or Canadian accent.
I can tell you for a Fact . TWA was shot down By a Missile launched from a surface vessel or submarine . A US COAST GUARD came in the next morning, The caption of the CG vessel gave an unedited interview to a Fox News reporter On Live TV. The Caption said....." They were on a training exercise, when he noticed a flare going up, he pointed it out to the first mate. as he noticed , the flare just kept going up. Then he notice a 747 climbing to altitude. The flare struck the 747 and exploded into 2 pieces and fell into the sea. they were the first boat on sight, They begun body recovery the moment the got their, they worked through the night with other emergency CG boats They were the first boat back to shore where Fox News got to ask a bunch of questions. I went out the door to work, I came back from work to find No mention of the First Boat or the first interview by Fox News. That's the Day I decided, There was no more journalism or Free Press in America. And I have no respect for The FAA. They Played a big part in the Cover Up.
@@chinaheartforever4707No amount of sterling quality engineering and innovation by Boeing can overcome the shoddy aircraft maintenance work of certain cultures.
@Roy-gi5ulYou obviously didn't watch the video carefully. I suggest you to watch again. At 36:57 , the documentary clearly mentioned that after temporary repair, China Airlines did a permanent repair. But, even the permanent repair was not done correctly. During the permanent repair, the repairmen did not follow the guides in repair manual. They did lied in the repair log book. In the repair log book, they wrote the repair was done according to the manual. But, in fact, it was not.
Extremely tragic and sad those innocent people who lost their lives. Hope all rest 🙏 in peace. Extremely sad for all their loved one who are alive and miss them daily.
@@WowplayerMe that's because it's a TV show and like almost all TV shows on RUclips they just loop uploads for the full episodes when they get to the end of what they are allowed to upload
I really don't know why the awful AI thumbnails are necessary. You went through all the trouble of filming and could just use a screenshot for a more effective and relevant thumbnail. Tbh the AI makes this feel way more unreliable and cheaply homemade than the real documentary like this should be. Still love this series, I just don't get the change
I have NDT certificates and a very good knowledge of material science and metallurgy, I can not understand why when this plane went in for service it wasn't detected
@@jetmec I was a NDT (NON DESTRUCTIVE TESTER) in the military and one thing I noticed about working on old aircraft is that the maintenance manuals call mostly for inspections where the aircraft tends to break or at its weakest points. There were large areas on certain heavy aircraft where some areas that weren’t required to be inspected because it was non defective area.
@@marcuswarfield9119 Back then you are allowed to smoke, dance etc etc also, they were even allowed Katanas back then, so it maybe a huge metal knife ☺️
Greed is certainly one way to look at this repair. I've been in Aviation for forty years and I'll tell you that, yes, money is a big part of decisions made in the business, but also ignorance of the consequences plays a HUGE part. Many times the people making the decisions simply don't know what risks they are taking. I'm sure those that called for that repair are long gone from the company and probably think that their leadership was intelligent and well thought out. But clearly it was not; we here in the United States after learning the hard way will ALWAYS call Boeing anythime an Aft Bulkhead is damaged because we know the consequences. Boeing will actually send a team to your airport and repair the bulkhead on site. The United States has the best pilots and best technicians, the best sheet metal techs best avionics techs bar none. Yet we know that that big dome in the back call the rear bulk head must be repaired at the manufacturers level. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
@ Armchair quarterback. You ever been out of mommy's watchful eye? Ever play with the big boys or are you relegated to the basement where mommy can keep her eye on the little monster.
A "temporary" repair that lasted 20 years doesn't sound like it was so horrible a job. EDIT: for the geniuses who think that the point was that a permanent repair wasn't better, .
A proper repair would've lasted the lifetime of the plane, or at least until the upcoming through re-examination of past repairs, which would've meant the cracks would be detected and tragedy prevented. Major difference.
Such a sad day for the airline industry, and for the people who trust this mode of transportation. May god bless the souls lost that day, and their families.
@ actually the manufacturers are some of the most well trained. A lot of times it’s the maintenance personnel that cut the corners where they have to or can. Yes, even an aircraft can be designed with flaws. I don’t remember the exact number of the aircraft, but I remember there was one aircraft from I want to say Douglas that had this issue where the rear cargo door to get access to the baggage cargo area instead of opening up inward, it opened up outward. And thus, instead of being what is known as a “plug door“ it basically was just kind of an every day regular access door. And I believe on at least two separate occasions maybe more because of a flaw in the locking mechanism. The doors failed at altitude and unfortunately, on a couple of those flights there were some casualties. Although if I recall correctly, both aircraft were able to land. Now, granted you also have the latest slew of issues surrounding Boeing, where the escape doors on some of the windows are popping out, which of course is bad. However, to say that it’s purely, Boeing’s fault is just blatantly incorrect. Yes Boeing is not a great company. Especially in recent years, but they don’t deserve all of the blame.
@@ttuanmu Yes agree ! The older series of this great programme did not have music. It is really inappropriate, surely it is not entertainment as people lose their lives.
6:36 yall really showing dead bodies floating in the water. Pretty intense! And another thing, missiles dont accidentally hit planes! Lol if a missile hits a aircraft then it was ment to hit that aircraft. Maybe it was accidentally identified as a enemy.
Typical for Chinese workers or management cutting corners & costs.. I've lived in China for the last 13 plus years, and as a Certified Quality Auditor of over 35 years, I can say there is all too much corner cutting in pretty much every work type. Especially in construction. Unskilled labor posing as skilled workers.
No, no they don't. That's military tech. There may be exceptions, such as El Al, which won't confirm or deny the existence of something like this. And Air Force One, naturally. It's a good question, though.
I'm sorry, but, the visual of the flight attendant getting sucked out of the plane looked so cheesy. It's like she's getting possessed by a spirit in an 80's movie
Just couple months ago I was near the end of the plane. Yes it was 747 plane from united airline. It started the engine and burning smoke inside the plane. Flight attendant notified the pilots immediately and engine stopped and told us plane will be 2 hours delayed. Glad it was ok after 2hours.
I flew on this very plane, flight 611, 7 times. It was always the same flight crew for the morning leg from Taipei to Hong Kong. ( this 747 only flew the heavy traffic route between Taipei and HK, about 3 flights and 3 returns every day. The morning flight was always numbered 611.)
I flew on this plane the morning before the accident. Arrived in HK, settled in my hotel, applied for my visa to the mainland, had a dinner with a client and when I woke the next morning, I saw the news that 611 had gone down. Those stewardesses who I knew by name and who knew me from my frequent trips, all dead. Had I booked one day later, I would have been with them.
@@christopherpardell4418 it simply wasn't your time
Glad you are still here ❤
I am sorry about your friends on that plane.
sorry man
You dodged a bullet, not many do!
This accident shows the consequences if a repair on an airplane is not done correctly. I feel sorry for everyone on that flight. May they all rest in peace.
True, and my god help them to be in a better spirit and their family would be very sad that they died
I've watched so many of these I swear I could become an investigator.
@@PapaBear816 me too.... or maybe a pilot !
Go touch grass pal.
We would handle an emergency in the cockpit better than the actual pilots by now :)
Same here man and I've literally investigated hundreds of mainly plane crashes with my grandfather, use to be like our past time and at one point I wanted to be an NTSB Investigator but having to constantly face the deaths of tons of people who in many cases should absolutely still be alive since most aircraft disasters are very or completely preventable...I figured it would anger me and tear me up to where I couldn't do my job correctly
Wow, by that standard I'm definitely a gynecologist
Seems too many tail strike events are under evaluated for how much damage they can cause and are just patched up instead of reskinned
@@TheFULLMETALCHEF just remember, when given a choice between saving a few bucks and your safety, corporations always choose saving a few bucks.
Seeing that the tail is such an important part of the bloody plane
I like the bumper solution.
I'm just a bit impressed about the length of time that passed between the tail strike and the ultimate failure 22 years later. That's a long life for something subjected to stresses like a plane.
goes to show how long it took for the cracks to radiate out from the original damage in the special avionics alloy aluminum. It is hard stuff. But still this even truly needed structural engineer types that could for see disaster and repair successfully. If not they would have scrapped that plane for it's parts.
The nicotine stain air leak detection system really blew my mind.
Or was other cracks left unknown having nothing to do with the repair..
@@thedbcooperforum What leads you to speculate on that when nothing points to it?
@ That's you speculating...
I remember that! We actually flew on this plane to HK just half a year before the crash. It was the most uncomfortable flight ever, and some people were throwing up from dizziness, my sister was one of them, and we fly regularly without ever feeling sick. We were in so much shock when we saw the news. It is impressive that they were able to recover the wreckage and analyze what happened. Even more impressive that all these years later, I get to learn about it too. I totally forgot about this.
@@ooXChrissieXoo I'm guessing that the flight was uncomfortable because that tail area was unstable. That's terrifying.
a little off topic but, has anyone else noticed these seemingly AI generated thumbnails they've started using recently? I mean, look at the 747 in the thumbnail, the wings go back to the tail?? 😂
@@Riverside_Railfan417 yes, it’s super strange to me. I mean look at all of the actors, props, and footage they have on their own, a thumbnail should be pretty easy to capture, I think. I understand they need as many clicks as possible but an ai-generated thumbnail just seems a little out abilities.
@EshalIrfan-b5o I know right, it's just weird
@@EshalIrfan-b5oand they were using normal thumbnails for years, they have reposted many episodes including this one and yet they are using ai
Yeah this account got lazy
@@EshalIrfan-b5o the show is so well made that like any freezeframe would be a good thumbnail ong
I am astounded how these researchers can find the problem. It is really amazing.
This is their strong point: find out other people’s fault ⋯
It was not the first time this kind of event had been badly repaired. The previous one was done by Boeing themselves, a repair to the rear pressure bulkhead.
R.I.P.! To All Souls On Board!!😑🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤ I agree with you John!!! These People are Amazing like you said, and never cease to be Exemplary!!! It's like they find a certain grain of Sand on miles of endless beaches!! It's the mastering of Forensics!! Just mind Blowing!!😳🤔🤔🤔
Very methodical and smart people.
@@stringpicker5468 As critical this structure is, I was so surprised they allow mechanics to do the body repair when they truly do not have the same intuitive knowledge of the structures (as the designers)for safety like they know how to repair the engines or functioning parts of plane.
I would not call this an accident. I would call it pure negligence caused by laziness. Those who had neglected their jobs, 20 years ago, should be found and prosecuted.
40 years ago now.
More likely they were ordered to carry out this work by a supervisor who was being pressured, to reduce maintenance costs, by some "penny pincher" administrator.
@@PhilipGibbs-s6x This is the part that a lot of people that have never been in aircraft maintenance don't understand. Majority of the maintainers are trying to fix the jet, but every time you report to supervision that something requires extensive work, it's always challenged, trying to save time and money.
@@BerserkFury89
Yep, and it makes me mad.
Something gone wrong .....sack the tea lady
its angering that its so similar to jal 123, a poorly repaired tailstrike. there is no excuse for it to happen yet again. every airline should have looked over each plane that had tailstrike repairs to ensure everything was done correctly after jal 123 back in 1985.
I have a set that my dad gave me years ago. They haven’t ever been used. Actually was quite a few years ago.
The thing about JAL 123 is that the plane involved was repaired at a Boeing facility, so it was assumed that a good job was done
The specific inspection and repair protocols to follow a tail stike is only as good as the people that perform the work.
@@ncant I feel like that makes it even worse. If Boeing is doing it wrong, then every airline's maintenance team should double check that no similar errors happened.
@ and in a flawed system without proper checks and balances and focused more on profits those types of people will typically flourish. very much starts at the top.
It's amazing how the cameraman survived this horrible disaster.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Similar incident happened on a Japan AIr Flight 123, where repair was done by Boeing but it ended up with a structural failure at the rear tail section of the air craft resulting in cabin pressure loss. 505 out of 509 passenger died and only 4 survived.
it's still so sad to remember that more lives could have possibly been saved
This one was cheating by people working at the airline not following instructions from Boeing. Same with Japan flight.
Don't forget about the crew, 524 people were on board JAL 123.
@@781David SO sad and scary.
Yeap they didn't do the 2nd row of rivets at the tail section. There was only 1 row and eventually the rivets couldn't hold any more parts and sheered off.
This was massively tragic. Who could even imagine this kind of terror.
That's why we're all here. Worst nightmare.
The production values of these videos are always so impressive.
It's originally made for TV broadcast That's why a lot of these episodes are actually very old
Agreed. Much higher than the production value of your average Boeing aircraft.
@@raginasiangaming910 Oh, that was cold.
Is it just me or has binge watching Green Dot Aviation, Mentour Pilot and this channel made you much more scared of flying? 😢
nowadays, everytime I travel, I just pray 🙏 mumbles a bunch of prayers every time there is a turbulence on my flight
I used to only be afraid of Karens on a plane, but now I have a huge fear of fuselage separation.
Terrible tragedy. Let's be clear that China Airlines cut corners on the repair TO SAVE MONEY and get the airplane back into the air quicker. This GREED factor will always be with us----more lives will be lost.
Its china, it speaks volumes about their quality 😂
The USA is the KING of Greed though!
@@TheFatBeaRr it was an American built aircraft though. And companies skimping out of maintenance is not a china only thing.
@@TheFatBeaRr It's Taiwan, 1d10t
and china airlines is based in TAIWAN. not china
This is a sad story, had the airline consulted Boeing on how to fix it, those poor souls would have arrived at their destination safely. It is amazing the aircraft managed to fly for twenty two years before it encounters the final break up mid air.
It was Boeing that didn't do the repairs right
@@aj2228 The video states that local crews did not do the repair correctly and did not follow Boeing recommendations.
I would've thought a better long term solution than a patch and then replacing patches everytime there's an inspection, would be to have disposable skid plates fitted as standard on the bottom tail section for all new planes, that when/if damaged can be easily replaced and form no part of the main fuselage.
I don't think the structure could handle the actual strike, tearing up the skin is like a scratch, a strike deforms structure
@@ClarencegHamm The tail section is an obvious place where poor landings and take offs can lead to damage should be constructed to take more punishment. A skid plate should be like a armored crumple zone on a car that takes most the energy out of impacts before it can do damage to the interior and its occupants or parts. It doesn't mean that when the skid plate is damaged, that the fuselage isn't inspected for damage too.
@@ClarencegHamm There is another solution, that instead of fitting skid plates, that a set of landing gear wheels are fitted to the tail section.
They said they have these now...
Or just put another small wheel under it !
This is the most tragic air crash in Taiwan's aviation history.
Peace to all who died in this horrible crash.
They forgot to explain how the passenger died in such scenario, probably to spare the viewers. Sudden loss of pressure and being sucked out of the plane at 35,000 feet in a fraction of a second. Probably the vacuum itself and the forces on their body no to mention impact with the surrounding metal and if not the then air being sucked out of their lungs with the force of a thousands vacuum cleaner hose collpasing the lungs, they's asphyxiate or loose consciousness from the pain or the low pressure. I don't know just guessing vaguely but that's why i don't like to fly.
@@goognamgoognw6637 honestly probably better than being fully aware as you plummet for 3.5 minutes to your certain death.
There was a crashed in China a few years ago, The CCP bury that investigations. Noone knows what happened.
@@goognamgoognw6637damn, I am glad you haven’t thought about it
Why aren't the tail bumpers mandated on all planes? Tail strikes happen regularly enough that it seems obvious that they should be mandated for all commercial planes.
A better question, why do they reuse planes after they've made hard contact with the ground?
Blows my mind that if a “tail strike” is common, why wouldn’t that portion have a steel or very thick aluminum skid plate? Not sure how realistic these panels were presented in this video but they appear really thin. Grinding cracks down would thin out the panels even more. The amount of pressures these have to endure it would seem like a no brainer not to repair panels that way. I am no engineer of course but 🤯. I shouldn’t have watched this video LoL. I’ll be trying to look at the tail area if I could. I’m still blown away though, this isn’t body working your weekend beater. wtf??
R.I.P China Airlines 611
Always nice to have a new Video on a Sunday Morning..
Yep , a bit of chaos with lunch 😂
Yeah especially when it's about 400 people dying 😑
Are you a time traveler this video was made on Monday
Too bad it's not new. It's been released at least twice before.
AA191 crash. Was caused by a faulty repair to attach a DC10 wing engine. Engine fell off during takeoff and everyone died. 1979.
Yep, I remember it well. Only lived about 5 miles from it at the time.
But...if I remember right, wasn't that plane supposed to be OK missing an engine and fully able to fly even with just ONE?
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 right i don't understand , there were still 2 engines available ....What went wrong,?
@@mago97615 When the engine left the plane it severed hydraulic lines for the forward slates making them retract on that wing, changing the stall speed for that wing and that wing then stalled at the slower speed making the plane roll over.
@@mago97615 The engine that fell off disabled the stall warning, and they stalled without realizing it
Taiwans urgent and immediate response was great but was no use. A plane splitting at 35k feet is fatal.
Better than the response to JAL123 being extremely slow because nobody thought anyone could have survived
Enh.... it's rare, but exceptions exist.
I don't think either the DC-10 door failures or the Hawaii one were that high. But they DID land...with huge holes.
I saw this airplane at Hong Kong airport numerous times while it was flying around with the original temporary repair. The temporary patch covered the APU doors so the APU was removed since it was not accessible. The giveaway was, when viewed from the rear, the red plug in the APU exhaust was visible.
Finally not a compilation video
Were you wettingyour pants waiting for it with anticipation?
This is not a new video, however.
It amazes me how all these people came together to solve what happened. Simply brilliant.
I'm getting good at this! As soon as it said that the tail came apart first, I immediately said, "tail strike." Maybe I've seen too many of these videos. 😆
@@DesertHomesteader I know! I’ve watched so many. Haha
Always watch the last 10 mins saves me 30 mins of maybes :D
After binge watching these shows, the only way I will ever fly again is if I grow wings.
My Grandfather flew the 747-200 for Iberia from 1982 to his retirement in 1994, a major reason the 747 is my all time favorite aircraft, Japan 123 has been my all time scariest crash since he told me the story of it in 1993 so in 2002 that's what we both immediately thought this was, yea it was closer to TWA Flight 800 and unlike previous crashes my grandfather wasn't able to obtain enough information about China 611 for us both to be confident in our conclusion but given Japan 123 was a 747SR which was specifically built for the Japanese to carry out mostly domestic short flights and more in a day than most long haul aircraft would be subjected to meant Boeing had to build it stronger which we both surmised was a major reason Japan 123 remained intact after the rear pressure bulkhead shattered as opposed to China 611, the design schematics of internal wiring of the 747-200 of 611 that was manufactured in 1979 was also different enough from the 747-100 series of TWA 800 to where we thought it was a possibility but not greater than another breach of the bulkhead, and it irked me how long it took them to look back further before Flight 800 I would think it'd be common sense to look back through all accidents on the aircraft type but I know it's easier said than done and u don't always see what's in front of u and this wasn't even really in front of them...fortunately the crew that worked on this plane did a better job as the plane could've broken up on a flight with much more people on it but what am I saying, Fortunate... when all these people lost their lives in a disaster that has never gotten the attention it deserved imo so even though this is a reupload I'm still glad to see it hopefully makes more people remember these souls
you keep showing a series 400 747 taking off but in fact the ac involved was a series 200
It's not that serious
@@dieselboy610 you must be a boeing engineer
Please dont use ai for the thumbnails, thank you
Cutting corners comes at a devastating cost
21:58 This is a "creepy" part... Still, just like with the Lockerbie explosion, it shows how the front windows survived the tragic events....
"The day after... China Airlines did a temporary repair."
Once again, there's nothing more permanent than a temporary repair. Especially when budgets are involved. :/
The smoke stain still visible 7 years after banning smoking. How often they need to repaint the aircraft?
I had a lawyer friend who was married to a friend, he had to fly with a working group from México to Guadalajara, rent a car and go to the city from the airport, so when he was in the entrance of the airplane to start the trip he felt something and said, I am not going and did not give his passing board ticket every one told him not to do so and he responded: come down from the airplane, we should not go! They did not do so and left, the lawyer went back home and took a nap, later his wife arrived home and he woke up with the noise of the key onopening the door, and he told his wife: I was about to see God, but you wake me up! I had a dream that I went with the group on the airplane, then we were in the car and there was an accident and the car went down the hill & I felt: Now I am going to die and will see God! But you arrived and I woke up! Next Monday he went to the office and everyone looked at him with surprise: you are not dead! They told him: „ There was an accident with your group in the car and all died! „. So we must do as we feel in certain moments!
Were the mechanics ever disciplined for not following the Boeing instructions?
So why re-upload this episode with worse audio?
Do they make new ones ?
Thank you for the ads every two minutes!
I had no ads from start to finish
Are you guys the same with Air Crash Investigation? The narrator sounds familiar though.
It's the same TV series. For whatever reason it has like 3-4 names and multiple narrators.
I believe mayday/ air crash investigation is the same series rebranded for different markets. I know in the UK it was air crash investigation
They all work together ❤️
@@Jabarri74 correct answer
Different names in different countries. Happens from time to time when shows are sold in multiple markets. There are also multiple narrators. When I see this show on the Weather Channel here in the US, the narrator is someone with an American or Canadian accent.
How did they find out SW Airlines was not properly maintaining the fleet? Just curious what brought on the fine.
you keep reuploading the same episodes.
the more I watch air craft crash investigation documentation, the more I knew about the plane and the physic behind it 😮😮
Echoes of JAL 123... like repairing a balloon with cellophane tape. Eventually it must fail.
RIP.
I can tell you for a Fact . TWA was shot down By a Missile launched from a surface vessel or submarine . A US COAST GUARD came in the next morning, The caption of the CG vessel gave an unedited interview to a Fox News reporter On Live TV. The Caption said....." They were on a training exercise, when he noticed a flare going up, he pointed it out to the first mate. as he noticed , the flare just kept going up. Then he notice a 747 climbing to altitude. The flare struck the 747 and exploded into 2 pieces and fell into the sea. they were the first boat on sight, They begun body recovery the moment the got their, they worked through the night with other emergency CG boats They were the first boat back to shore where Fox News got to ask a bunch of questions. I went out the door to work, I came back from work to find No mention of the First Boat or the first interview by Fox News. That's the Day I decided, There was no more journalism or Free Press in America. And I have no respect for The FAA. They Played a big part in the Cover Up.
be nice to do much newer episodes..
like within the past 5 years....
have seen all the current ones
It'll be years before there's all info on new ones and these are old events. Show's been off for years.
the complete series is on Disney
For 20 years I wished I could sell this idea to somebody in the airline industry
A culture of cutting corners not surprised
That's why so many American made Boeing planes have accidents!!!Because Boeing employees cut corners!!
@@chinaheartforever4707No amount of sterling quality engineering and innovation by Boeing can overcome the shoddy aircraft maintenance work of certain cultures.
Good to know I was flying Southwest during the time they weren't inspecting metal fatigue😮
Who was held accountable for these bad repairs!
Not BAD repairs: just TEMPORARY repairs of the sort that SHOULD have been reworked at the NEXT major inspection. This latter just never happened.
Boeing
@Roy-gi5ulYou obviously didn't watch the video carefully. I suggest you to watch again. At 36:57 , the documentary clearly mentioned that after temporary repair, China Airlines did a permanent repair. But, even the permanent repair was not done correctly. During the permanent repair, the repairmen did not follow the guides in repair manual. They did lied in the repair log book. In the repair log book, they wrote the repair was done according to the manual. But, in fact, it was not.
They sanded the scratches? Did they put bondo over it too?
This sloppy repair, however, lasted the plane for 22 years.
Stoked to hear the narrator call Taiwan a country....
That guy's name is Crookshanks? That's just too good
Why is that so? It's just a British name pointing to bent or curved legs.
Those last seconds on that airplane must have been insane.
The AI thumbnails are really lazy
Maybe you should draw them one for free
@Maximilian1990 Maybe they should use the official screenshots they used before.
Extremely tragic and sad those innocent people who lost their lives. Hope all rest 🙏 in peace. Extremely sad for all their loved one who are alive and miss them daily.
May all the victims rest in peace.
This is only a slight re-vamp of an episode that came out over a year ago. Almost all of the same footage and narration are used.
@@WowplayerMe that's because it's a TV show and like almost all TV shows on RUclips they just loop uploads for the full episodes when they get to the end of what they are allowed to upload
@@WowplayerMe aviation disasters are trending. Re-uploads get videos into the algorithm that would otherwise never be seen.
Great video! Nicely done
I really don't know why the awful AI thumbnails are necessary. You went through all the trouble of filming and could just use a screenshot for a more effective and relevant thumbnail. Tbh the AI makes this feel way more unreliable and cheaply homemade than the real documentary like this should be.
Still love this series, I just don't get the change
I have NDT certificates and a very good knowledge of material science and metallurgy, I can not understand why when this plane went in for service it wasn't detected
@@jetmec I was a NDT (NON DESTRUCTIVE TESTER) in the military and one thing I noticed about working on old aircraft is that the maintenance manuals call mostly for inspections where the aircraft tends to break or at its weakest points. There were large areas on certain heavy aircraft where some areas that weren’t required to be inspected because it was non defective area.
2:37 for the idiots here don’t know china airline is a Taiwanese airline.
Corruption plays a big part in this.
1:58 wrong registration, the real registration is B-18255 not B-18211
They also showed a LOT of footage of 747-400s
@theta3404It’s just a stock footage as the 747-200 was long gone.
Historical incidents need to be tagged as such please.
I enjoy these Mayday videos but they make me dear flying more and more
Please be aware, this happened 23 years ago. Aviation has changed all over the world since then.
Mr. Zakar, it's ok to move your lower jaw when you speak
😅 Funny!
i was on this very same plane and thankfully survived but my parents unfortunately did not RIP. Mom and Dad
5:22 knives, strange how sharp objects were allowed in flights earlier
Plastic knives, not metal
@@marcuswarfield9119 Back then you are allowed to smoke, dance etc etc also, they were even allowed Katanas back then, so it maybe a huge metal knife ☺️
I’m assuming it’s probably cutlery for food service
Earlier they even allowed Katanas in flights I guess 🤔
Why does this always appear in my YT everytime I am waiting for a flight?
Greed is certainly one way to look at this repair. I've been in Aviation for forty years and I'll tell you that, yes, money is a big part of decisions made in the business, but also ignorance of the consequences plays a HUGE part. Many times the people making the decisions simply don't know what risks they are taking. I'm sure those that called for that repair are long gone from the company and probably think that their leadership was intelligent and well thought out. But clearly it was not; we here in the United States after learning the hard way will ALWAYS call Boeing anythime an Aft Bulkhead is damaged because we know the consequences. Boeing will actually send a team to your airport and repair the bulkhead on site. The United States has the best pilots and best technicians, the best sheet metal techs best avionics techs bar none. Yet we know that that big dome in the back call the rear bulk head must be repaired at the manufacturers level. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 and the Jal flight that fell out of the sky was repaired by Boeing techs and was bodged by... Yep Boeing techs so you are talking 💩💩💩
"Don't know?" Or, more like Ford, dgaf, cheaper to get sued?
@ Armchair quarterback. You ever been out of mommy's watchful eye? Ever play with the big boys or are you relegated to the basement where mommy can keep her eye on the little monster.
Why not have small tire on the tail on the plane to prevent the tail hitting the concrete?
A "temporary" repair that lasted 20 years doesn't sound like it was so horrible a job.
EDIT: for the geniuses who think that the point was that a permanent repair wasn't better, .
To the families of the crash victims it WAS horrible!!!!!
It was incorrect, tho.
A proper repair would've lasted the lifetime of the plane, or at least until the upcoming through re-examination of past repairs, which would've meant the cracks would be detected and tragedy prevented. Major difference.
Love watching these on long haul flights 😂
We did you add a laughing emoji it’s sad
China Airlines actually is the Taiwan air line,and it happened 23 years ago.
It's still Chinaaa!
Such a sad day for the airline industry, and for the people who trust this mode of transportation. May god bless the souls lost that day, and their families.
Stop destroying this series by making fake thumbnail for click bait, history doesn't need that !!!
What is wrong with the thumbnail
@ it doesn’t happen like that, that’s what’s wrong? And they been doing this lately for all their repost, the accidents didn’t happen so dramatically
Why do they drag everything on get to the point? I have more important things to do then wait for no answers.
I was really looking forward watching this video, however it was spoiled by the intrusive music 😞
I traveled so much and hoping all these flights ✈️ I've choosen will take care of our safety 🙏.
~💜😸
This is the kind of maintenance misstep that I’d expect from China. Not Taiwan.
I’d expect from US, that's why so many American made Boeing planes have accidents!!!Because Boeing employees cut corners!!
@ actually the manufacturers are some of the most well trained. A lot of times it’s the maintenance personnel that cut the corners where they have to or can.
Yes, even an aircraft can be designed with flaws. I don’t remember the exact number of the aircraft, but I remember there was one aircraft from I want to say Douglas that had this issue where the rear cargo door to get access to the baggage cargo area instead of opening up inward, it opened up outward. And thus, instead of being what is known as a “plug door“ it basically was just kind of an every day regular access door. And I believe on at least two separate occasions maybe more because of a flaw in the locking mechanism. The doors failed at altitude and unfortunately, on a couple of those flights there were some casualties. Although if I recall correctly, both aircraft were able to land.
Now, granted you also have the latest slew of issues surrounding Boeing, where the escape doors on some of the windows are popping out, which of course is bad.
However, to say that it’s purely, Boeing’s fault is just blatantly incorrect. Yes Boeing is not a great company. Especially in recent years, but they don’t deserve all of the blame.
@@chinaheartforever4707most incidents involving boeing planes are the result of pilot error or something unrelated to the design of the plane
Well this proves Taiwan is indeed China's, even the airline's called China Airlines. You won't have an American airline called China something.
Air China has one of the best flying records
Is pressurizing and looking for air leaks standard method of inspection nowadays?
lower the music. the narrator is to low. ;(
Background music and sound effects are too loud. I could only watch the intro and no further.
@@ttuanmu Yes agree ! The older series of this great programme did not have music. It is really inappropriate, surely it is not entertainment as people lose their lives.
6:36 yall really showing dead bodies floating in the water. Pretty intense!
And another thing, missiles dont accidentally hit planes! Lol if a missile hits a aircraft then it was ment to hit that aircraft. Maybe it was accidentally identified as a enemy.
*unintended radar lock
Which season/episode is this? Are the videos on this channel from the seasons on disney+, or are they new?
Typical for Chinese workers or management cutting corners & costs.. I've lived in China for the last 13 plus years, and as a Certified Quality Auditor of over 35 years, I can say there is all too much corner cutting in pretty much every work type. Especially in construction. Unskilled labor posing as skilled workers.
@@gecsus China Airlines is from Taiwan while Air China is from mainland china
@@iwannaseesnow OK
It's still Chinaaa!
@ They are not equivalent. If you haven't lived there, you don't know anything.
It was an American made plane. Boeing so I'm not going.
Do civilian airliners have sensors that detect enemy missile attack so that the data can be logged into telemetry data ?
No, no they don't. That's military tech. There may be exceptions, such as El Al, which won't confirm or deny the existence of something like this. And Air Force One, naturally. It's a good question, though.
better maintenance
agree
This is why I don’t like to travel on airplane,especially across the ocean, but there are times you would have to travel on it.
the engineer probably though, "I knew I shouldn't have ordered it from Temu and got it from Alibaba instead"
I'm sorry, but, the visual of the flight attendant getting sucked out of the plane looked so cheesy. It's like she's getting possessed by a spirit in an 80's movie
To see the nicotine staining was odd, with smoking being ceased in the plane 8 years prior.
2009.
Just couple months ago I was near the end of the plane. Yes it was 747 plane from united airline. It started the engine and burning smoke inside the plane. Flight attendant notified the pilots immediately and engine stopped and told us plane will be 2 hours delayed. Glad it was ok after 2hours.