I wish they would add the ability to sell ships in game. This will add to the buying ships in game experience. just a thought! Great vid by the way! Cheers
As long as we get some economy changes so that doing a variety of missions is possible rather than only doing 1 thing because its meta at the time then im happy
@loudguns no it needs to happen with the price changes or else everybody but the well established players and the credit card warriors will be fucked they need to buff bounties with the price changes who's gonna grind 25k bounties in a starter avenger for as long as it would take to get a 7 mil Corsair or a 44mil A2 it's ridiculous
Quest bugs NEED to be sorted out before they do price increases. When 70%+ of the missions are frequently bugged or broken, the grind for new players is already extremely frustrating.
With wipes this is a bad idea, these would be good changes otherwise but for now this looks like a money thing to me.. make ships really expensive, wipe progress, send the people to rsi store.. alot will give up on the grind and not play knowing its not theirs to keep👎
I'm normally cynical of CIG, but I don't think that's the reason. The other thing that will mitigate that is higher operating costs and the requirement of multi-crew rather than everything being done solo.
While i dont mind price increases. I think those should have come with beta. Firstly we'd assume beta has more earning mechanisms for different gameplay loops. We'd assume wipes are all but ended except perhaps once a year, and that the development focus is on stability making the earning journey more enjoyable and reliable. Overall i hope we see a better diversity in the verse, and the price brackets are a bit better and make more sense.
So they raise prices by insane amounts and yet they nerf anything that makes players good money in game. To make matters worse majority of activities are still absolutely buggy as hell. This is why I stopped playing. They do shit like this that push players away. I used to do a lot of mining but then it got nerfed so I switched to bounties and bunkers which both are so buggy they are not even worth doing.
Good presentation mate. Regardless of the pricing, the positioning of the prices makes more sense. The only one you missed is Global chat begging an increase of 300% 😂
I think this change is the right one, with bad timing. The game still is in a rough spot ( even 3.23 ) and their "oopsie daisy we didnt intend to wipe but we wiped" ways are just too wonky for me to justify this much of a grind. Yes, when the game is out i would prefer astronomical ship prices. In a finished game where im guaranteed to keep my stuff, a grind is fun and makes sense. But not now.
I'm only recently getting back into SC but even a couple of years back, people were asking why I buy so many ships with cash, when they are so easy to earn in game. well, it is my theory that the "easy buys" are because they wanted people to be able to buy ships between economy resets. and they have inflated earnings (and drastically cut cargo trade earnings) to test out varous careers. but I have long held that in the released game, ships vs earnings will be EXPENSIVE. the thought "you can buy all the ships in the game" will change to "all the ships will be available in game, you can buy any ship in the game, but maybe only 2 or 3 unless you really have a lot of free time. (but for those of us with jobs and families, forget it) so I recommend having a few good earners, particularly in your chosen field, like for me, trading, have a cutty, MSR, Taurus, Railen, Herc, BMM, and maybe a Hull D and E. so you can focus on earning bigger cargos, not having to also earn bigger ships. Buy a couple of your favorite fighters, and a toy or 2... I don't want'to have to distract from my career to buy that 350 R or pointless, but beautiful khartu Al. at my age, I may have 3000 gaming hours left in my lifetime. if it takes 300 hours to earn a Connie Phoenix in game. but 20 hours to earn the cash to buy it. (made up numbers) the cash buy is a steal.
So how hard is it to make money? And is there still a big disparity in earning potential with a few get rich quick schemes and everything else not providing meaningful money? Prices in a vacuum aren't that meaningful but because the increases are so high I do suspect that they are trying to make stuff much harder to earn in game... In no small part to help real money sales. On the positive side I wonder if raising prices could indicate that CIG thinks they are leaving the phase of continual wipes. Having a slightly more expensive Prospector wouldn't be so bad if I didn't need to earn it over and over again.
Structural salvage is still broken even after being halved (5m or so an hour rather than 10m is still out of whack). Excluding that at the top end I think around 500K an hour is possible in a number of professions at the top levels - bunkers, bounties, mining etc - so I would reference prices vs that.
This is rough I stopped playing about a year ago now and they still don't have the ship I paid for. I wish they would just focus on delivering things they already promised instead of permanently putting them off. I understand that the game loop isn't good enough for most players, but I paid for the ship not the gameplay. I know that sounds insane, but I figured it would take a few months not years. Overpromise and underdeliver. Except instead of delivering a low-quality ship or something to that effect you get nothing but world and gameplay development, not bad on their own but not an appropriate use of resources given how much money was invested in ships..... oh well at least loud guns will keep me in the loop 3 years from now lol.. Sorry had to get that off my chest.
it's actually been so long I can't remember the exact name of it, but I remember its function it was the passenger aircraft one I wanted to be a taxi driver/commercial pilot between stations they gave me a Carrick as a temporary vehicle, but I didn't have the same time commitment as other people, so it was wasted on me.
That'd be great if they weren't so fragile. I own a sentinel and an inferno. The inferno is far more survivable than the Sentinel. The EMP is barely used. I love the Vanguard, don't get me wrong, but I can't see this price difference between other heavy fighters based on current performance.
I don't know that I would even call them fighters at this point. They feel more like an armored courier/utility platform with multiple options, or maybe a light bomber in the case of the Harbinger.
Higher prices is fine IF there is gameplay worth playing to reach the higher prices Having getting ships be the only sense of progression to make money though is a big problem as well
The price cut to the C8 pices med ship feels very intentional. It opens up a gameplay loop of playing space EMS and picking up every medical beacon you see.
Org owned ships sound great till it's not. By that, I mean the one consistent thing I know from MMOs is that player groups break up and somebody will own that ship when they do.
That's true, but that could be mitigated. Right now, that I know of, there is no official Org system. Like other MMOs there needs to be an Org bank, and any ship purchased under that Org bank account, cannot be owned by a player, only sold for a reduced rate, if at all.
This had to happen eventually, I mean the eventual intention of the game is no wipes, correct? The grind will be worth it if you can expect to have the ship forever. Does this mean we are getting closer to beta? Too much hopium?
11:50 the Freelancer now seems to come with a whopping 3S2 shields, compared with the single S2 available on the Cutlass, which justifies the price hike. Current prices are too low, with people hoarding ships in the garage like peanuts before necessary wipes: it would be cool through to be able to get rid of old unused ships collecting dust and get a discount on new ones, instead of just being a nuisance, cluttering our garage list as we look for a particular ship to spawn.
Great video. I just earned enough to rent a cutty black, but a ROC and start hunting for gems, but I can imagine that once you have played for a couple months you run out of things to buy. My rate of return seem pretty high while mining.
Yeah, earning can be very slow at first if you only have a starter ship (as I did), but it increases exponentially as you earn enough to buy bigger and better ships and right now with the low ship prices you have people earning enough for the most expensive ship in game in just a week or two, which is far too quick.
I have reached the point where I’m actually looking forward to the next wipe when it comes. Ideally after hangars and cargo missions + economy balancing has had a fresh pass.
Some of them are quite high . the MSR took me ages to save up LOL now it will be a different ship but I agree A part ex would help stepping up from one ship to another
No earnings staying much the same (down a bit since top-tier salvage is catching a nerf). Tbf if earnings went up there's no real point to changing any prices
I don’t mind the price hike, if the quantum economy system finally kicks in and takes this into account, so it would take a new player a few months to buy an A2 in-game, maybe up to a year to acquire an 890 jump. With PES, wipes are less frequent, so it could be two years between, or never
Really nicely laid out. I think that the new ship prices are a good thing and whilst some of them seem to be astronomically expensive I think its important to take into consideration that the pay-outs from completing missions are also going to be increased. We could also see changes made to the value of salvaged components and weapons etc. As with everything in life balance is important and in this case I think its is much needed. I haven't heard anything on there being a 3.23 wipe but I think its starting to look like a very real possibility. This both terrifies me and excites me as I too make all my ship purchases in game and the grind has been fairly intense up until now. That being said the process has given me the knowledge to be able to earn credits in so many different ways. I also agree that being able to either part exchange or sell ships would be a really useful mechanic as it would make things far more efficient. I have tried to make the most of the cheap times to buy and test as many ships and vehicles as possible as u never really get to know a ship until u have lived with it for a while. There are some that i love and some that i didnt like as much as i thought i would and at least for me some would not be worth the grind the second time around. I did recently purchase a Valkyrie though and I have to say this is one ship that i do love. I'm not exactly sure what it is about that ship but it seems to resonate with me in a way that others dont. It would be really nice if they could buff the pilot controlled weapon options a bit given its a military ship and given the cost of it. Being brought in line with a cutlass or a prowler would be nice and having the odd missile here and there would be perfection at its best. Will definitely be grinding for that one again for sure. I have also chosen not to play the new patch until its on live as I would like to play it at its best with polish so i can enjoy making all the new discoveries as much as possible. So excited for this! Really enjoy your vids. Keep up the awesome work.
The games in too rough of a spot to warrant a change like this. Especially with ship wipes being possible. All your effort could potentially be a complete waste of time
@@shandon122 Thank you for your reply. I do mostly agree with you especially now that the 3.23.1 patch has come and gone. I do think that buying the ships while they were cheap provided some very useful insight that would now be much harder to gain with the new prices and while the game is still finding its feet once again and also with the 4.0 full wipe on the horizon I think that grinding for ships currently would indeed be a complete waste of time. I do think that changes needed to be made as there were too many people that pretty much owned almost every ship in game and prob had more than enough auec stashed away to buy them all again many times over. The in game economy was vey broken so from a devs perspective any analytics data would be massively flawed. For any future changes to the economy to be made accurately these changes need to be made but in a reasonable sense. Interested to see what the future holds.
@cyberrascal I hadn't known that, that definitely explains why they thought the change would be necessary. I really do hope they overhaul the in-game economy to have a reliable way for players to make auec. The changes are pretty rough for solo players like myself who isn't affiliated with an org who plays with a small group of friends. It took forever to scrape together the funds for the ships I have! It's really upsetting that a full wipe will make all of that have gone to waste. I wouldn't have minded the economy changes too much if it actually felt like you got to own the ships you earned.
@@shandon122 Yeah I know it does really suck to lose them all. The grind for me was a long and often quite boring process at times. The path to making the money for my ships was kind of by luck really. I also mostly play solo or with 1 other friend at most. I started during the last jumptown event. I would pick times when i knew most players were asleep usually early in the morning on weekdays at the beginning of the week and i would find servers with the least amount of players on and sneak into jumptown when nobody was there. i parked the ship right by the door and grabbed maze for both dispensers and stack the air lock and then the ship as many times as i could. I actually had the whole place to myself on many occasions which was surprising but fortunate being solo. That being said i did lose the odd ship or 2 full of maze to random trigger happy players which was somewhat irritating. I did that as many times as i could until i had about 5 mil then spent it all on a C2. The next time round i managed to get enough for a vulture and then gave up with the maze and started working on scraping ships for rmc. once i got better at that i got a friend to pilot he c2 and stack crates and between us we would fill the c2 with rmc until we both had enough ships and money at which point 3.23 dropped and salvage was nerfed big time. no more C2 salvage missions. Money can still be made salvage scraping but its so damn boring. It had to happen i suppose. I think the economy will be sorted out and that we will get paid more for completing missions fairly soon. Salvage should also get a bump with the value of salvaged ship components being worth selling. Nobody official has said there will definitely be a full wipe for 4.0 and I know that CIG is terrified of doing wipes as they get a lot of grief when they do but being in Alpha they have to do it sometimes which i hate but also understand. It does kind of kill the motivation for playing the game at times but when we finally get to 1.0 with no more wipes it will be game on! Finally we will be able to build for the future.
If bounty cargo was as profitable as it was when it came out the prices would be just fine, but the fact they more than tripled all ships and made ert cargo significantly less profitable is just stupid, they can make the ships more expensive when they will never wipe the game again, but if they are gonna be wiping these prices are absolutely absurd with how much harder it is to make money now
I made 2 millions in a day so this sucks. I prolly gonna buy a corsair in a few days geez, i thought i was saving it for 3 millions then the price increased.
They should allow all in game ships to be rented and tested if they are going to raise prices. If they don’t and also don’t make more money making methods. This will just be a push for people to pledge ships
that hull c price has got to be just because they want people to actually buy it since it still has a lot of issues and without testers reporting them the issues wont get fixed
I like the new changes, it feels like there is a more linear progression. There are two ships that I think need a little love as the ships around them have a large advantage in health. The MSR and Valkyrie with the 2 size 2 shields feels very out of place.
Agreed, as I said above, the MSR price is not warranted in any way currently. Maybe when and if engineering and scanning come into play, but with a connie having a s3 shield, vs the MSR 2 s2, and the MSR being woefully inept on pilot firepower, the price increased is simply not justified. It absolutely needs some love.
Being able to sell titles to ships in game would be incredible. Imagine walking into a bmm whos bottom floor is silly knick-knacks and the top floor is a holotable of all the ships you couls buy from their fleet. Maybe even holding some of them in your cargo hold? Oh man I can imagine the "used car salesman" archetype being so much fun.
I think a lot of this is deleting the gap between pledge prices and in game prices. A2 and Hammerhead for $700+ didn't make sense at their in game prices, for example.
They wiped out everything in the 3.23 EPTU. I got the 15 mil in test money, but usually my ships and gear carry over. They did not. I started with nothing but purchased ships and items.
havent played for more than half a year. Yesterday i've logged in to do 1 bunker mission, couldn't finish it because server started lagging and crashed. When this game will be playable?
A2 vs Hull-C seems fair in that Hull-c can't land loaded so cuts out 90% of routes. Yet, to be fair. Agreed that with more game play to come a balance pass will likely happen later
Very nice presentation, thank you for the effort! I am very sad about my beloved Vanguard. Not gonna ruin the game in geting it with hard cash though... or maybe i will? shout out to willpower :) cheers!
I dont play this game yet, waiting on it to actually be a Game. But i guarantee you, im never giving them 100's of dollar for pixels. Ill just slug it out and buy it with in game money.
This goes one of two ways for me: IF (and it's a big "if") CIG have actually sorted the issue of in-game ships disappearing with patch updates AND they don't wipe too often then this is a very positive change and should provide some sense of a longer term progression to the game while also making ship prices a little more "realistic". However, if it turns out they haven't/can't fix the ship loss issue or they keep needing to wipe a lot then this price change will only serve to widen the "pay-2-win" gap between those who can and can't afford to pledge multiple ships, as it could take an average solo player (who has a busy job in the real world, and probably also kids) months now to earn the bigger ships, by which point CIG could have wiped multiple times. EDIT: just felt the need to come back and add my puzzlement to yours over the Vanguard and Hull C prices being so out of sink with their nearest equivalents. I think you're probably right the Hull C is because it's not very useful in game right now, but the Vanguards being twice the price of the other heavy fighters seems a bit bizarre despite them having beds etc.
Yeah the only logic I could get to on the VG’s was that they’re the only real long distance fighters with the S2 drives (and beds as you rightly add). Maybe with Pyro this will prove even more advantageous but 2x a Scorp feels odd.
On the matter of selling/trading in ship for new ones, I very much hope that CIG put in a system where ships bought on the store have a special account based purchase ID that allows you to sell it in game and on the store for credits but it will have a penalty if in game traded and/or the rebuy can’t be traded in for a set amount of time / or until next patch.
I honestly think it should be the opposite. They have a special ID that will NOT allow them to be sold in game, and they have to be sold in the RSI store. Other than that, I think there should be a way to sell back ships. Even at half the purchase price, most players would be happy with that, I think.
I didn’t see that one or the storms either - could be they’ve just not been added but considering the spirits, Hull C and Santok’yai were I’d guess they’re a “not yet”
Oh a used car market would be fantastic. However what will be required is degradation and an actual cost sink to operate these giant ships. That's something CIG woefully lacks right now, and they make up for with huge price, though I agree, for many of them it is a reasonable cost, based on what the average solo player can make w/o game breaking loops like Reclaimer salvage. I think it needs to be much more expensive to operate an 890. The cost of any luxury item, an exotic car, jet or boat is much more in maintenance than in initial cost. When you have to constantly buy new thrusters because you burned them out trying to land your 890 on a planet, then we'll see how many people keep using them as a daily driver. Also, increasing the operations cost of ships would defuse some of the perceived "pay to win" criticisms. Yeah, you can spend a grand on an 890 in the shop, that doesn't alleviate it's operating costs.
As a player who just got here and barely afforded his cutlass black, this smacks of pushing everyone towards pay to win. The missions are buggy and underpay. How will I buy a 2m ship with missions that pay 5000 and bug-out? Game has potential but this seems to be a very self-destructive change coming down the pike.
I thought the same, it’s going to push people to buy ships in the short term, and in the long term, will push people into orgs where the larger ships are already purchased and available for members
@@thedangerzone9399if only we could sell in bulk! Most players new to the game feel gaining millions is near impossible. In time and with rep you earn far more and far faster.
Mind blowing prices.....and if again CIG wipes my ingame ships...think I will quit playing the game, as they have also nerfed making ingame cash and I do not have 4-5 hours a day to play the game, as I also have a real life, work and Family to take care of! Have bought enough ships with RL cash so not intending to invest in more ships, just to be able to play to win! And I would guess, that allot of the folks in here, that are happy about the Buffing of prices and dont care about the nerfing mission prices and commodity prices, have bought the ships with RL cash and play to win! Either CIG wants us not to play the game anymore or they Just want people to buy ships and in that way pay to win. Thanks as always for a good analysis Loud Guns! Cheers!
I've been playing since 3.16 These game loops like risky salvage, ERT eggs, and Reclaimer salvage are absolutely a new phenomenon. You could never make in game aUEC like you've been able to do in the last 8 months. CIG did that to make sure those loops got tested. I knew from the first time I opened up a C2 and pulled out 10 million in cargo that crap was not going to last.
I think this is a good step towards balancing money making. Now let's see how the rewards and mission gameplay turns out. I'm hoping for something more linear, rather than this exponential rewarding system. Meaning, once you can afford a Reclaimer, you can get your money back in like three hours. Same with Cargo Hauling RMC.
One way they can prevent some of the economy breaking of ships like the reclaimer is to do the other thing they've been threatening to do, increase the timers. People being able to get their huge ships back in a couple hours has to change. I'd personally make it a function of player provided resources, mixed in with some provisions from Quantum. When you loose a ship, any ship, it goes into a queue, and the amount of resources in a pool available to build them, plus a preset timer are how long it takes. If there isn't anyone moving cargo, ships stay in queue, vice the trickle of goods being provided by quantum. On the point of the Sentinel vs other heavy fighters. I hope that EMP is worth it. Currently I have both a sentinel and inferno that I bought in game, I wouldn't waste my time with a sentinel unless things have change. I love it, dont' get me wrong, but it is destroyed too easily. I have much more survivability in my inferno. No, I don't have a bed or a toilet, but I hope that's not the reason for it costing me. Also, the MSR. I own one of those with r/l money, but I still see that increase, at least in its current state of survivability, firepower, and functionality as being far too expensive. Especially in the current state of Master Modes were you can't use counter-measures in travel mode (which is godawful stupid) Edit: The Ares models have the exact same components at the Vanguard, 2 s2 shields and a s2 quantum drive, and two s2 powerplants, and one extra cooler.
I'm cool with this, kinda got bored with having every ship in the game, and I'm glad my $ fleet is everything I need to get me going. So I guess we'll get a wipe with this new update. Otherwise, this is kinda pointless.
Yeah “nope” is the short answer on the aUEC front. My view is that it’s the start of hiking to get prices where they want them longer term without it being one short sharp jump.
With the distribution center coming with the patch. I can see why drop ship getting hit with such a huge increase. Probably good AUEC in raiding those.
They always said that ingame ship prices will hike 2-10 times at some point, I'm glad they're already starting now. I hope this comes with a (needed) aUEC and ship wipe, since the past few metas made everyone so freaking rich, it's not even fun anymore. It was never the idea that everyone and his grandmother should have all the ships. As a solo, it should take you months to earn a Hammerhead or A2. So I'm very happy about that change.
What’s missing is upgrading ships / player. There is no progression. Need the ability to progress rep or whatever to get better and better stuff. Everything is essentially the same. I earned around 200 million auec and there is nothing to spend it on. Getting a hammerhead for what… an 890 for what. Etc etc. would much rather be able to meaningfully upgrade what I have than just get a new “bigger” ship.
Price hikes are fine, but there needs to be other barriers. Too many multicrew ships can be operated solo in combat. The operating costs are way to small. There needs to be components that have to be replaced, but not so onerous as to cause the person just to claim insurance. When actual in-game insurance is required, that will be another money sink.
So the big thing with the M2 people tend to forget is that it's gonna have a substantial amount of armor whenever that gets introduced. To the point that certain guns won't have any effect on it, so 3/4s the cargo but a likley less stressfull trip.
To me this is fantastic. Ships were way too cheap and this will help create real progression (ignoring that people already own tons of ships with real money of course). This will slow players and make a real grind which is the whole point of SC to me. It will suck for a bit while missions are still rough but it will be good in the end.
If the game never wiped again, I would agree with you that progression being slower was a positive change. But the game wipes. When I was new, I worked my way up to my first big ship purchase and then it got wiped a month or two later, and I felt a bit bad but moved on. If it'd taken me literally 5 times as long to earn the currency for that ship as my first and then it'd gotten wiped, I would have been miserable. "Real progression" is meaningless when regular wipes still occur.
The new prices all feel pretty good. Again the huge prices refelect they want this to be a multi-player exerience. Solo players should focus on solo ships 💁
You can easily make a million aUEC in a few hours and most ships are under 10 million so its not really that bad. I have made at most 4 million in one day cargo running and thats enough to buy a vanguard sentinel in game which costs nearly $300 if you were to buy it with real money
This had to come. The concept of owning dozens of ships per person is not sustainable. I think making the ships harder to get enhances their value in time. Yes it will suck in yhe short term but i think some need to be higher. Im a casual player and i love the idea of zero to hero, im tired of getting my dream Connie after each wipe within a week or so.
Also it makes it so people can fulfill niche roles. You may have to look for a player with a certain ship, rather than just grab that ship from you long list of ships (which I have -- and before 3.19 never thought I'd have such a plethora of ships).
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I wish they would add the ability to sell ships in game. This will add to the buying ships in game experience. just a thought! Great vid by the way! Cheers
Yeah hard agree - not sure if you caught it but part-exchange is where I closed this out. Feels like you should progress by trading in your last ship.
I did! Maybe you can do a vid on in game ship sales/trades :) @@LoudGuns
Hell no, can't let those f2p peasants get ahold of the good paid stuff.
As long as we get some economy changes so that doing a variety of missions is possible rather than only doing 1 thing because its meta at the time then im happy
Hopefully that will come over time - structural salvage is still broken imo but not quite as bad maybe!
@@LoudGuns It's really down to how much they nerf the sell cost of RCM. Any changes with that?
@@steamdeck_guy Construction mats are arguably more important and they're nerfed to 3K / SCU (so basically half). RMC is 9K I think.
@loudguns no it needs to happen with the price changes or else everybody but the well established players and the credit card warriors will be fucked they need to buff bounties with the price changes who's gonna grind 25k bounties in a starter avenger for as long as it would take to get a 7 mil Corsair or a 44mil A2 it's ridiculous
Quest bugs NEED to be sorted out before they do price increases. When 70%+ of the missions are frequently bugged or broken, the grind for new players is already extremely frustrating.
A mission that is basically meant for new player to get an intro to flying and landing is the buggiest 😅
Agreed, they need to sort out how buggy the quests can be...the entry ones can be atrocious at times
With wipes this is a bad idea, these would be good changes otherwise but for now this looks like a money thing to me.. make ships really expensive, wipe progress, send the people to rsi store.. alot will give up on the grind and not play knowing its not theirs to keep👎
I'm normally cynical of CIG, but I don't think that's the reason. The other thing that will mitigate that is higher operating costs and the requirement of multi-crew rather than everything being done solo.
Prices are ok if we dont get wipes, which wont be the case of course. So, no grinding to buy thoses.
But make ppl buy more ships on the store now :/
While i dont mind price increases. I think those should have come with beta. Firstly we'd assume beta has more earning mechanisms for different gameplay loops. We'd assume wipes are all but ended except perhaps once a year, and that the development focus is on stability making the earning journey more enjoyable and reliable. Overall i hope we see a better diversity in the verse, and the price brackets are a bit better and make more sense.
So they raise prices by insane amounts and yet they nerf anything that makes players good money in game. To make matters worse majority of activities are still absolutely buggy as hell. This is why I stopped playing. They do shit like this that push players away. I used to do a lot of mining but then it got nerfed so I switched to bounties and bunkers which both are so buggy they are not even worth doing.
Good presentation mate. Regardless of the pricing, the positioning of the prices makes more sense. The only one you missed is Global chat begging an increase of 300% 😂
Hahaha that is true - sure that'll be a feature of 3.23!
I think this change is the right one, with bad timing.
The game still is in a rough spot ( even 3.23 ) and their "oopsie daisy we didnt intend to wipe but we wiped" ways are just too wonky for me to justify this much of a grind.
Yes, when the game is out i would prefer astronomical ship prices. In a finished game where im guaranteed to keep my stuff, a grind is fun and makes sense. But not now.
I'm only recently getting back into SC but even a couple of years back, people were asking why I buy so many ships with cash, when they are so easy to earn in game. well, it is my theory that the "easy buys" are because they wanted people to be able to buy ships between economy resets. and they have inflated earnings (and drastically cut cargo trade earnings) to test out varous careers. but I have long held that in the released game, ships vs earnings will be EXPENSIVE. the thought "you can buy all the ships in the game" will change to "all the ships will be available in game, you can buy any ship in the game, but maybe only 2 or 3 unless you really have a lot of free time. (but for those of us with jobs and families, forget it) so I recommend having a few good earners, particularly in your chosen field, like for me, trading, have a cutty, MSR, Taurus, Railen, Herc, BMM, and maybe a Hull D and E. so you can focus on earning bigger cargos, not having to also earn bigger ships. Buy a couple of your favorite fighters, and a toy or 2... I don't want'to have to distract from my career to buy that 350 R or pointless, but beautiful khartu Al.
at my age, I may have 3000 gaming hours left in my lifetime. if it takes 300 hours to earn a Connie Phoenix in game. but 20 hours to earn the cash to buy it. (made up numbers) the cash buy is a steal.
The pricing is still too cheap.. Probably another 100% increase will feels good
Yeah I’m thinking this is rungs on a ladder not the final prices
So how hard is it to make money? And is there still a big disparity in earning potential with a few get rich quick schemes and everything else not providing meaningful money?
Prices in a vacuum aren't that meaningful but because the increases are so high I do suspect that they are trying to make stuff much harder to earn in game... In no small part to help real money sales.
On the positive side I wonder if raising prices could indicate that CIG thinks they are leaving the phase of continual wipes. Having a slightly more expensive Prospector wouldn't be so bad if I didn't need to earn it over and over again.
Structural salvage is still broken even after being halved (5m or so an hour rather than 10m is still out of whack). Excluding that at the top end I think around 500K an hour is possible in a number of professions at the top levels - bunkers, bounties, mining etc - so I would reference prices vs that.
@@LoudGuns I didn't actually expect any real changes at this time beyond just increasing the price of ships.
People who want expensive ships and a wipe bought theirs wjth real money and want others to have to be crew for them.
@@justwords3882 I think you're missing the point.
Dont buy anything the game is shit broken
This is rough I stopped playing about a year ago now and they still don't have the ship I paid for. I wish they would just focus on delivering things they already promised instead of permanently putting them off. I understand that the game loop isn't good enough for most players, but I paid for the ship not the gameplay. I know that sounds insane, but I figured it would take a few months not years. Overpromise and underdeliver. Except instead of delivering a low-quality ship or something to that effect you get nothing but world and gameplay development, not bad on their own but not an appropriate use of resources given how much money was invested in ships..... oh well at least loud guns will keep me in the loop 3 years from now lol.. Sorry had to get that off my chest.
Now I just have to ask what ship?
it's actually been so long I can't remember the exact name of it, but I remember its function it was the passenger aircraft one I wanted to be a taxi driver/commercial pilot between stations they gave me a Carrick as a temporary vehicle, but I didn't have the same time commitment as other people, so it was wasted on me.
I want to say it was the Genesis Starliner, but I might be making that name up. Still hope it's in the pipeline at least.
Honestly I don't really think that the vanguards should really be thought as heavy fighters, they need their own class as super heavy or something.
That'd be great if they weren't so fragile. I own a sentinel and an inferno. The inferno is far more survivable than the Sentinel. The EMP is barely used. I love the Vanguard, don't get me wrong, but I can't see this price difference between other heavy fighters based on current performance.
I don't know that I would even call them fighters at this point. They feel more like an armored courier/utility platform with multiple options, or maybe a light bomber in the case of the Harbinger.
Higher prices is fine IF there is gameplay worth playing to reach the higher prices
Having getting ships be the only sense of progression to make money though is a big problem as well
Keep in mind this was a year when CIG didn't earn as much money...coincidence surely 🤔
Casual player, a 461% increase for the harbinger.. disgusting
You still doing 6k Delivery missions?
The Harbi and the Sentinel are WAY overpriced for what you currently get from them vs other heavy fighters. I'm hoping CIG realizes that.
CIG seem to be screwing every last ounce of fun out of the game to make it an endless grind.
The price cut to the C8 pices med ship feels very intentional.
It opens up a gameplay loop of playing space EMS and picking up every medical beacon you see.
Yeah having that starter medic available a bit cheaper is really good imo!
Org owned ships sound great till it's not. By that, I mean the one consistent thing I know from MMOs is that player groups break up and somebody will own that ship when they do.
That's true, but that could be mitigated. Right now, that I know of, there is no official Org system. Like other MMOs there needs to be an Org bank, and any ship purchased under that Org bank account, cannot be owned by a player, only sold for a reduced rate, if at all.
This had to happen eventually, I mean the eventual intention of the game is no wipes, correct? The grind will be worth it if you can expect to have the ship forever. Does this mean we are getting closer to beta? Too much hopium?
Your intro music was really quiet compared to the rest of the video
11:50 the Freelancer now seems to come with a whopping 3S2 shields, compared with the single S2 available on the Cutlass, which justifies the price hike.
Current prices are too low, with people hoarding ships in the garage like peanuts before necessary wipes: it would be cool through to be able to get rid of old unused ships collecting dust and get a discount on new ones, instead of just being a nuisance, cluttering our garage list as we look for a particular ship to spawn.
This is nice but getting paid 3k for a basic delivery is a joke considering the time effort is quite high for this…
My question would be whether anyone was affording ships off delivery missions before this? 😂
Inflation is out of control. It’s even hit the verse.
Great video. I just earned enough to rent a cutty black, but a ROC and start hunting for gems, but I can imagine that once you have played for a couple months you run out of things to buy. My rate of return seem pretty high while mining.
Yeah, earning can be very slow at first if you only have a starter ship (as I did), but it increases exponentially as you earn enough to buy bigger and better ships and right now with the low ship prices you have people earning enough for the most expensive ship in game in just a week or two, which is far too quick.
I have reached the point where I’m actually looking forward to the next wipe when it comes. Ideally after hangars and cargo missions + economy balancing has had a fresh pass.
(and after Daedalus Rising) :D
Some of them are quite high . the MSR took me ages to save up LOL now it will be a different ship but I agree A part ex would help stepping up from one ship to another
I'm really glad I picked up a Valkyrie, Harbinger and Redeemer before 3.23 drops! But it was about time things became expensive, next up money sinks?
So… are we going to be getting more money? Are contracts going to pay more?
No earnings staying much the same (down a bit since top-tier salvage is catching a nerf). Tbf if earnings went up there's no real point to changing any prices
I don’t mind the price hike, if the quantum economy system finally kicks in and takes this into account, so it would take a new player a few months to buy an A2 in-game, maybe up to a year to acquire an 890 jump.
With PES, wipes are less frequent, so it could be two years between, or never
Does anyone know if the rental prices are going up in 3.23? Renting is part of my progression strategy for this game.
Those prices are bullshit
I'm so glad your intro song was quiet! Its really long and when binging your channel it honestly is really loud
Really nicely laid out. I think that the new ship prices are a good thing and whilst some of them seem to be astronomically expensive I think its important to take into consideration that the pay-outs from completing missions are also going to be increased. We could also see changes made to the value of salvaged components and weapons etc. As with everything in life balance is important and in this case I think its is much needed. I haven't heard anything on there being a 3.23 wipe but I think its starting to look like a very real possibility. This both terrifies me and excites me as I too make all my ship purchases in game and the grind has been fairly intense up until now. That being said the process has given me the knowledge to be able to earn credits in so many different ways. I also agree that being able to either part exchange or sell ships would be a really useful mechanic as it would make things far more efficient. I have tried to make the most of the cheap times to buy and test as many ships and vehicles as possible as u never really get to know a ship until u have lived with it for a while. There are some that i love and some that i didnt like as much as i thought i would and at least for me some would not be worth the grind the second time around. I did recently purchase a Valkyrie though and I have to say this is one ship that i do love. I'm not exactly sure what it is about that ship but it seems to resonate with me in a way that others dont. It would be really nice if they could buff the pilot controlled weapon options a bit given its a military ship and given the cost of it. Being brought in line with a cutlass or a prowler would be nice and having the odd missile here and there would be perfection at its best. Will definitely be grinding for that one again for sure. I have also chosen not to play the new patch until its on live as I would like to play it at its best with polish so i can enjoy making all the new discoveries as much as possible. So excited for this! Really enjoy your vids. Keep up the awesome work.
The games in too rough of a spot to warrant a change like this. Especially with ship wipes being possible. All your effort could potentially be a complete waste of time
@@shandon122 Thank you for your reply. I do mostly agree with you especially now that the 3.23.1 patch has come and gone. I do think that buying the ships while they were cheap provided some very useful insight that would now be much harder to gain with the new prices and while the game is still finding its feet once again and also with the 4.0 full wipe on the horizon I think that grinding for ships currently would indeed be a complete waste of time. I do think that changes needed to be made as there were too many people that pretty much owned almost every ship in game and prob had more than enough auec stashed away to buy them all again many times over. The in game economy was vey broken so from a devs perspective any analytics data would be massively flawed. For any future changes to the economy to be made accurately these changes need to be made but in a reasonable sense. Interested to see what the future holds.
@cyberrascal I hadn't known that, that definitely explains why they thought the change would be necessary. I really do hope they overhaul the in-game economy to have a reliable way for players to make auec. The changes are pretty rough for solo players like myself who isn't affiliated with an org who plays with a small group of friends. It took forever to scrape together the funds for the ships I have! It's really upsetting that a full wipe will make all of that have gone to waste. I wouldn't have minded the economy changes too much if it actually felt like you got to own the ships you earned.
@@shandon122 Yeah I know it does really suck to lose them all. The grind for me was a long and often quite boring process at times. The path to making the money for my ships was kind of by luck really. I also mostly play solo or with 1 other friend at most. I started during the last jumptown event. I would pick times when i knew most players were asleep usually early in the morning on weekdays at the beginning of the week and i would find servers with the least amount of players on and sneak into jumptown when nobody was there. i parked the ship right by the door and grabbed maze for both dispensers and stack the air lock and then the ship as many times as i could. I actually had the whole place to myself on many occasions which was surprising but fortunate being solo. That being said i did lose the odd ship or 2 full of maze to random trigger happy players which was somewhat irritating. I did that as many times as i could until i had about 5 mil then spent it all on a C2. The next time round i managed to get enough for a vulture and then gave up with the maze and started working on scraping ships for rmc. once i got better at that i got a friend to pilot he c2 and stack crates and between us we would fill the c2 with rmc until we both had enough ships and money at which point 3.23 dropped and salvage was nerfed big time. no more C2 salvage missions. Money can still be made salvage scraping but its so damn boring. It had to happen i suppose. I think the economy will be sorted out and that we will get paid more for completing missions fairly soon. Salvage should also get a bump with the value of salvaged ship components being worth selling. Nobody official has said there will definitely be a full wipe for 4.0 and I know that CIG is terrified of doing wipes as they get a lot of grief when they do but being in Alpha they have to do it sometimes which i hate but also understand. It does kind of kill the motivation for playing the game at times but when we finally get to 1.0 with no more wipes it will be game on! Finally we will be able to build for the future.
If bounty cargo was as profitable as it was when it came out the prices would be just fine, but the fact they more than tripled all ships and made ert cargo significantly less profitable is just stupid, they can make the ships more expensive when they will never wipe the game again, but if they are gonna be wiping these prices are absolutely absurd with how much harder it is to make money now
I made 2 millions in a day so this sucks. I prolly gonna buy a corsair in a few days geez, i thought i was saving it for 3 millions then the price increased.
They should allow all in game ships to be rented and tested if they are going to raise prices. If they don’t and also don’t make more money making methods. This will just be a push for people to pledge ships
PS. as mentioned, I'm just coming back to the game, any news about the quantum economy? I have not heard anything
that hull c price has got to be just because they want people to actually buy it since it still has a lot of issues and without testers reporting them the issues wont get fixed
That could well be it - also economically it doesn't make sense to be crazy expensive at the moment!
I like the new changes, it feels like there is a more linear progression. There are two ships that I think need a little love as the ships around them have a large advantage in health. The MSR and Valkyrie with the 2 size 2 shields feels very out of place.
Agreed, as I said above, the MSR price is not warranted in any way currently. Maybe when and if engineering and scanning come into play, but with a connie having a s3 shield, vs the MSR 2 s2, and the MSR being woefully inept on pilot firepower, the price increased is simply not justified. It absolutely needs some love.
C1 can finally be bought in game???????? LETS GOOOOOOO
As more ships come in, prices will have change again and again
they arent changing pledge prices right?....
Being able to sell titles to ships in game would be incredible. Imagine walking into a bmm whos bottom floor is silly knick-knacks and the top floor is a holotable of all the ships you couls buy from their fleet.
Maybe even holding some of them in your cargo hold? Oh man I can imagine the "used car salesman" archetype being so much fun.
I think a lot of this is deleting the gap between pledge prices and in game prices. A2 and Hammerhead for $700+ didn't make sense at their in game prices, for example.
Can you play this game on controller?
Great, bidenomics affecting my fav game too. no escaping it
Do you think this update will be a wipe? I feel like all of these changes hint to it coming to that...
They wiped out everything in the 3.23 EPTU. I got the 15 mil in test money, but usually my ships and gear carry over. They did not. I started with nothing but purchased ships and items.
Bidenomics has hit SC in 3.23
Some of these are fair, but the A2 jumping 9x the amount is crazy, 2-3 maybe 4 but not 9
Yep some of these numbers are punchy, definitely centred more around orgs buying org ships imo.
A2 was really really cheap though tbf
@@LoudGuns I always thought it was weird people would spend $700+ on a 5 mil auec ship.
They want that 700$ per head simple as that
@@gunsmoke9030 This is the exact reason the prices are going up in game. They want more $$$ irl
havent played for more than half a year. Yesterday i've logged in to do 1 bunker mission, couldn't finish it because server started lagging and crashed.
When this game will be playable?
A2 vs Hull-C seems fair in that Hull-c can't land loaded so cuts out 90% of routes. Yet, to be fair. Agreed that with more game play to come a balance pass will likely happen later
Yeah would imagine in time the Hull C will overtake the C2 but it's probably right for right now!
If people are mad now wait till closer to release when the 890 is closer to a billion.
Very nice presentation, thank you for the effort!
I am very sad about my beloved Vanguard. Not gonna ruin the game in geting it with hard cash though... or maybe i will? shout out to willpower :)
cheers!
Yeah the VG’s are a bit of a shock, still might make it even sweeter to get in game!
I dont play this game yet, waiting on it to actually be a Game. But i guarantee you, im never giving them 100's of dollar for pixels. Ill just slug it out and buy it with in game money.
I remember when I said that. But good on you if you stick to it.
This goes one of two ways for me: IF (and it's a big "if") CIG have actually sorted the issue of in-game ships disappearing with patch updates AND they don't wipe too often then this is a very positive change and should provide some sense of a longer term progression to the game while also making ship prices a little more "realistic". However, if it turns out they haven't/can't fix the ship loss issue or they keep needing to wipe a lot then this price change will only serve to widen the "pay-2-win" gap between those who can and can't afford to pledge multiple ships, as it could take an average solo player (who has a busy job in the real world, and probably also kids) months now to earn the bigger ships, by which point CIG could have wiped multiple times.
EDIT: just felt the need to come back and add my puzzlement to yours over the Vanguard and Hull C prices being so out of sink with their nearest equivalents. I think you're probably right the Hull C is because it's not very useful in game right now, but the Vanguards being twice the price of the other heavy fighters seems a bit bizarre despite them having beds etc.
Yeah the only logic I could get to on the VG’s was that they’re the only real long distance fighters with the S2 drives (and beds as you rightly add). Maybe with Pyro this will prove even more advantageous but 2x a Scorp feels odd.
Ion is a trash panda now.
Viva los Party A2 !!!
Thanks for the concise information
Cheers mate!
On the matter of selling/trading in ship for new ones, I very much hope that CIG put in a system where ships bought on the store have a special account based purchase ID that allows you to sell it in game and on the store for credits but it will have a penalty if in game traded and/or the rebuy can’t be traded in for a set amount of time / or until next patch.
I honestly think it should be the opposite. They have a special ID that will NOT allow them to be sold in game, and they have to be sold in the RSI store. Other than that, I think there should be a way to sell back ships. Even at half the purchase price, most players would be happy with that, I think.
Thank you for sharing this info! Makes me really glad to already have a Taurus in my back end hangar
SRV not listed under ARGO, so I'm assuming there's no planned in-game entry this time round?
I didn’t see that one or the storms either - could be they’ve just not been added but considering the spirits, Hull C and Santok’yai were I’d guess they’re a “not yet”
The Syulen, also. Looking forward to buying that in game.
Love to see the new Singes in action.
The game is taking forever and the next patch doesn't add much. We are still a very long way from replayability adds
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Are insurance timers affected by 3.23 as well?
Not yet, but that will come, CIG has said it many times.
Wow!?! Those are some big jumps
Oh a used car market would be fantastic. However what will be required is degradation and an actual cost sink to operate these giant ships. That's something CIG woefully lacks right now, and they make up for with huge price, though I agree, for many of them it is a reasonable cost, based on what the average solo player can make w/o game breaking loops like Reclaimer salvage. I think it needs to be much more expensive to operate an 890. The cost of any luxury item, an exotic car, jet or boat is much more in maintenance than in initial cost. When you have to constantly buy new thrusters because you burned them out trying to land your 890 on a planet, then we'll see how many people keep using them as a daily driver. Also, increasing the operations cost of ships would defuse some of the perceived "pay to win" criticisms. Yeah, you can spend a grand on an 890 in the shop, that doesn't alleviate it's operating costs.
Never thought I would say this, but going back to Elite Dangerous might look like the better option... 😢
As a player who just got here and barely afforded his cutlass black, this smacks of pushing everyone towards pay to win. The missions are buggy and underpay. How will I buy a 2m ship with missions that pay 5000 and bug-out? Game has potential but this seems to be a very self-destructive change coming down the pike.
I thought the same, it’s going to push people to buy ships in the short term, and in the long term, will push people into orgs where the larger ships are already purchased and available for members
Play a few patches. You will find that you have millions of AUEC with nothing to spend on.
This change is a good one
Youl learn how to make money just as in every other game.
You will eventually make 50k per mission and its then 10 times faster to get to the 2 million. Also consider loot as source of money.
@@thedangerzone9399if only we could sell in bulk! Most players new to the game feel gaining millions is near impossible. In time and with rep you earn far more and far faster.
Mind blowing prices.....and if again CIG wipes my ingame ships...think I will quit playing the game, as they have also nerfed making ingame cash and I do not have 4-5 hours a day to play the game, as I also have a real life, work and Family to take care of! Have bought enough ships with RL cash so not intending to invest in more ships, just to be able to play to win! And I would guess, that allot of the folks in here, that are happy about the Buffing of prices and dont care about the nerfing mission prices and commodity prices, have bought the ships with RL cash and play to win! Either CIG wants us not to play the game anymore or they Just want people to buy ships and in that way pay to win.
Thanks as always for a good analysis Loud Guns! Cheers!
I've been playing since 3.16 These game loops like risky salvage, ERT eggs, and Reclaimer salvage are absolutely a new phenomenon. You could never make in game aUEC like you've been able to do in the last 8 months. CIG did that to make sure those loops got tested. I knew from the first time I opened up a C2 and pulled out 10 million in cargo that crap was not going to last.
I think this is a good step towards balancing money making. Now let's see how the rewards and mission gameplay turns out. I'm hoping for something more linear, rather than this exponential rewarding system. Meaning, once you can afford a Reclaimer, you can get your money back in like three hours. Same with Cargo Hauling RMC.
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One way they can prevent some of the economy breaking of ships like the reclaimer is to do the other thing they've been threatening to do, increase the timers. People being able to get their huge ships back in a couple hours has to change. I'd personally make it a function of player provided resources, mixed in with some provisions from Quantum. When you loose a ship, any ship, it goes into a queue, and the amount of resources in a pool available to build them, plus a preset timer are how long it takes. If there isn't anyone moving cargo, ships stay in queue, vice the trickle of goods being provided by quantum. On the point of the Sentinel vs other heavy fighters. I hope that EMP is worth it. Currently I have both a sentinel and inferno that I bought in game, I wouldn't waste my time with a sentinel unless things have change. I love it, dont' get me wrong, but it is destroyed too easily. I have much more survivability in my inferno. No, I don't have a bed or a toilet, but I hope that's not the reason for it costing me. Also, the MSR. I own one of those with r/l money, but I still see that increase, at least in its current state of survivability, firepower, and functionality as being far too expensive. Especially in the current state of Master Modes were you can't use counter-measures in travel mode (which is godawful stupid) Edit: The Ares models have the exact same components at the Vanguard, 2 s2 shields and a s2 quantum drive, and two s2 powerplants, and one extra cooler.
I'm cool with this, kinda got bored with having every ship in the game, and I'm glad my $ fleet is everything I need to get me going.
So I guess we'll get a wipe with this new update. Otherwise, this is kinda pointless.
Its a good shake up of the meta. With prices not having changed for a long time. This will maybe help make players tem up more for activities.
Im definitely going to be buying my C2 back with real money. Its an investment im happy taking and i won’t ever have to keep rebuying it.
I backed a lot of ships a very long time ago on concept sale. I have all that I want and love lending out my ships to anyone who asks in game.
Why so expensive is it easier to make auec?
So far it seems like there wont be anything close to the reclaimer loop
@@804_Biino-mp9hn how do they expect people with starter ships to work there way up without spending hundreds of hours doing boring missions
Yeah “nope” is the short answer on the aUEC front. My view is that it’s the start of hiking to get prices where they want them longer term without it being one short sharp jump.
Mission rewards all seem to be the same as it has allways been, risking your life to deliver 2 packages 40million km, for 4000 auec :D
With the distribution center coming with the patch. I can see why drop ship getting hit with such a huge increase. Probably good AUEC in raiding those.
Step in the right direction indeed! 😊
They always said that ingame ship prices will hike 2-10 times at some point, I'm glad they're already starting now. I hope this comes with a (needed) aUEC and ship wipe, since the past few metas made everyone so freaking rich, it's not even fun anymore. It was never the idea that everyone and his grandmother should have all the ships. As a solo, it should take you months to earn a Hammerhead or A2. So I'm very happy about that change.
As long as it doesnt take months to get a taurus then im happy with the change
What’s missing is upgrading ships / player. There is no progression. Need the ability to progress rep or whatever to get better and better stuff. Everything is essentially the same. I earned around 200 million auec and there is nothing to spend it on. Getting a hammerhead for what… an 890 for what. Etc etc. would much rather be able to meaningfully upgrade what I have than just get a new “bigger” ship.
@@Jeremy_Walker I think a better rep system is coming with distribution centers
@@PlatinumParakeet That’ll be good.
Price hikes are fine, but there needs to be other barriers. Too many multicrew ships can be operated solo in combat. The operating costs are way to small. There needs to be components that have to be replaced, but not so onerous as to cause the person just to claim insurance. When actual in-game insurance is required, that will be another money sink.
So the big thing with the M2 people tend to forget is that it's gonna have a substantial amount of armor whenever that gets introduced. To the point that certain guns won't have any effect on it, so 3/4s the cargo but a likley less stressfull trip.
yeah maybe it'll have that in 2 years, but the prices are changing now
To me this is fantastic. Ships were way too cheap and this will help create real progression (ignoring that people already own tons of ships with real money of course). This will slow players and make a real grind which is the whole point of SC to me. It will suck for a bit while missions are still rough but it will be good in the end.
Nope with wipes this is a bad thing and playerbase will drop.
If the game never wiped again, I would agree with you that progression being slower was a positive change. But the game wipes. When I was new, I worked my way up to my first big ship purchase and then it got wiped a month or two later, and I felt a bit bad but moved on. If it'd taken me literally 5 times as long to earn the currency for that ship as my first and then it'd gotten wiped, I would have been miserable. "Real progression" is meaningless when regular wipes still occur.
The end is lightyears away, so really it’s just going to be worse for most
@@gunsmoke9030that's exactly what will happen, not only that but new incoming players will run away from SC screaming!
The grind is exactly what I like to avoid in gaming. I'd rather just go to work for that.
The new prices all feel pretty good. Again the huge prices refelect they want this to be a multi-player exerience. Solo players should focus on solo ships 💁
The largest ships need to go up even more. the 890 should be north of 100mil.
This is ludicrous. Ships were already too expensive and SC sucks when you don’t like your ship, this just makes me not want to play.
You can easily make a million aUEC in a few hours and most ships are under 10 million so its not really that bad. I have made at most 4 million in one day cargo running and thats enough to buy a vanguard sentinel in game which costs nearly $300 if you were to buy it with real money
@@TheEPICskwockyou have to have a lot of money into ships to make money fast. Price increases punish new players the hardest
This had to come. The concept of owning dozens of ships per person is not sustainable. I think making the ships harder to get enhances their value in time. Yes it will suck in yhe short term but i think some need to be higher. Im a casual player and i love the idea of zero to hero, im tired of getting my dream Connie after each wipe within a week or so.
Also it makes it so people can fulfill niche roles. You may have to look for a player with a certain ship, rather than just grab that ship from you long list of ships (which I have -- and before 3.19 never thought I'd have such a plethora of ships).
You guys are delusional spending thia much money on a video game. What happens when the company pulls the plug and shut down the server?
You do realise this video is purely about ships to buy in game
You really think we are spending 12 million real dollars on a game 💀