@Jim lastname---How terribly interesting. I had no idea. I only picked my RUclips name because half of it was my real name translated from a foreign language and the other half is for effect. But I'm not telling you which is which or the foreign language. Hope you understand. Also thanks for telling me. I never knew that fact.
Counter insurgence basically , it has lost its realistic potential of in humane oxymoronic treatment after 2000/ with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan , all counter insurgence means is suppress the natives revolting .
Stuff like this is only possible BECAUSE of WWI. The ability to form the Black and Tans out of regular soldiers so they had combat experience (for better or worse). Most everyone had already been fighting for years so to continue fighting wasnt a big deal. There wasnt even arty which is the worst part of warfare. I cant imagine the fear in the area at this time. In war the civilians always lose. This war was a case study on that.
“There’s a reason to have separate military and police forces, one fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When a military attempts to do both, the enemies of the state tend to become the people themselves.” -Battlestar Galactica, Adama Even though it came from Science Fiction it's still very true.😁
Just to give you an update. This week they were filming in Belfast. Two actors dressed in balaclava's and carrying guns .Waited to enter a scene . A wee women run out to them and said "Boys the police are just round the corner"
Allies: National self-determination for the peoples of Europe! Ireland: What about us? England: Hahahaha you guys are so funny. Edit: Wow this sure took off lol thx for the likes
I'm proud to say that i had two relatives who fought in the WoI. My great grandfather Henry Toland was an ira sniper stationed in derry who went on to fight in the border campaign and the other was Edmund Breslin who moved from derry to dublin to take part. In 1920 he was recruited by collins to help with the assassination of a british G man on bloody sunday and was later captured after the burning of the custom house after a bullet was found in the lining of his jacket. From what we know, he was relatively close to collins. We have a wedding photograph of Edmund and there's a man in the back who's looking to the side and we've had it enhanced and it is Collins himself. Edmund went on to fight in the civil war and was brought back in to the army in 1939 to train soldiers for 'The Emergency'
thats amazing... did you know that supposedly independent ireland now disavows the IRA and especially the RIRA? its illegal to have any organizations with the names or too similar to their cause
My Grandfather Born And lived in Co. Mayo , Remembered as a teenager picking potato's in a field in Mayo when the Tans went post in the car, they lay down on the ground, because if you did not they would open fire and they where terrified, they would just drive on.
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Thank you. Always wanted to more history on Ireland. More evidence why military personnel or militarized police shouldn't be when it comes to citizens.
Great research and pronunciation; Ireland rarely receives the attention it deserves in the post-war battle against colonialism. Thanks for covering it!
There were casualties of war on both sides. Enumerating the casualties of combatants on only one side shows absence of objectivity and perspective that is an essential of any history.
For those who are interested in doing some family research, the Irish Military achieves are currently releasing the documents that were submitted by people who were involved in the Irish war of Independence in order to claim their military pension. These documents are a vital historical record of what happened as the statements were taken while the person was still alive and not written down after the person had died. All you need to know was the area they were active in and it will give you the list of names of everyone who was in their company. My great grandfather James Mc Grath was involved in gun smuggling and in the shooting of British magistrate Alan Lendrum. My grand mother Susan Mc Grath was involved in feeding men who were on the run in west Clare while also carring messages.
Joseph Thomas nothing worse than Americans who’s ancestors moved to America 7 generations ago who think they know absolutely everything about Ireland and it’s culture, or when they call themselves “Irish”
@@adamlakeman7240 do you say the same about the French resistance? The IRA had the backing of the Irish people who had voted to secede from the empire..nothing murderous about that.
You should have mentioned the historical significance of what Ulster means to Ireland. All our main mythology, our main Irish heroes (CúChulainn, Fionn MacCool) all come from Ulster. That was the centre of Gaelic history and mythology.
@14:00: "but a more likely explanation [for the Black and Tan's breakdown of discipline] was the poor preparation, the lack of command structure and the pressures of the situation ...". Sounds like the planning and execution was of the same standard as 80 years later in Iraq. Maybe not surprising given the generals were the same ones who'd planned Gallipoli and the Somme just a few years before.
Sending hardened veterans of the Great War who saw slaughter on an industrial scale to Ireland as policemen was never going to work. As been proved soldiers and in the case of the Black and Auxiliaries ex-soldiers dont have the criteria that is required for policemen. However they were sent to Ireland due to their war experience and were never expected to be a civil police force.
A lot of the IRA were world 🌎 war 1 veterans of the British army. Veterans of Irish regiments of the British army. Munster fusiliers, Dublin fusiliers, connaught rangers, lenister rifles, Royal Irish, inniskilling fusiliers, etc
Particularly ridiculous when the word is now heard frequently on the BBC. I'd say it no problem but maybe YT would blacklist me. Yet, as someone else pointed out, you can see all sorts of depraved human behaviour on YT.
my great grandmother died when I was a baby, but she remembered being terrified of the Black and Tans, one day, she went to school and three little girls were crying because their fathers had been taken from them by the Black and Tans.
George Riddell: "it was absurd to think that the british army could not quell such an insurrection if given proper powers" Northern Ireland: hold my car bomb
@@johnhenry4844 extremely debatable, they lost more men and to this day had to compromise with the IRA, you should check it out more. They failled in their first objective and had to give in to a lot of IRA deamands.
@@ssumbra5648 Edit: Once you include arrests of republican terrorists it is massive in Britains favour. All that really happened is the IRA gave up and the British government was more than willing to call it quits. I don’t see a united Ireland ever happening bruh
@@johnhenry4844 Dude you are completely ignoring and tailing the facts. I was talking about deaths, thereofore your thing about arrests dosnt matter. Second no, the ira did not quit, in fact they got what they wanted, political representation and they are now an entrenched political party with mps in the paliement. Check your things before commenting mate you have no idea what this conflict is about if you really go around troting that "the ira called it quits". They got all of the people you mentionned when you talk about arrests released so the dead and wounded are the only thing that matter since the british freed every single ira member arrested, even the ones who gunned down or killed british soldiers and they left northern ireland lol.
@@ssumbra5648 Bruh also let out of jail were loyalists who murdered thousands of catholic civilians and if you think the PIRA didn’t state the goal of wanting a united ireland you are simple insane. Simple political representation was what the republicans wanted by the 60’s, but the RUC brutality, arms confiscating by the army really turned it into a full blown fight. Which the IRA eventually lost
I heard of the Sinn Fein for the first time in the Lebanese news in 1998 but I am surprised that he was there since 100 years ago! Besides, I heard in this episode one familiar term, sectarianism, which is common in my Middle-East region. Bravo for this captivating episode and keep up the great work of bringing back history to life in real-time, 100 years later!
"Wore low slung hustlers like the cowboys in Texas. But this resulted in a lot of shot off toes." I guess they never learned most cowboys only kept 5 shots in their revolvers in order to avoid that situation. They would kept the hammer on the empty cylinder.
Having 5 loaded chambers wouldn't have prevented the incidents they described; they were pulling the trigger before the muzzle was clear of the holster. DASF
Most cowboys rarely carried a revolver, and if they did would rarely have carried them in a hip holster (uncomfortable to ride a horse all day with). Hollywood has made up an awful lot of s**t right from its start.
@@kenoliver8913 Lever Gats or Blackpowder rifles were more popular due to ease of carry and better aim. Revolvers were sometimes used but mostly it was black powder ones.
A story we heard about "the tans"was they raided Tom Creans pub in Kerry,he might have been shop but and officer thrashing the pub came across his medals for bravery,they left.
Great video as alway, very well put together. Will you be covering the pickardstown ambush? The centenary is coming up and it’s also just around the corner from where I grew up, passed the site on a regular basis but it gets very little coverage even in the Irish education system. I only found out about it through my own interests in history.
@24:30 you might note that this killing was of inspector Oswald Swanzy, the RIC officer held responsible for the extrajudicial murder of Cork Lord Mayor Tomás Mac Curtain in March of that year. The assassination was ordered directly by Collins and executed (no pun intended) using Mac Curtain's own pistol. And @25:35 Terence McSwiney was the 2nd Cork mayor to die that year, this time in Btitish custody.
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Any chance of a video on the Great War veterans who fought against the British in the IRA during the war of independence? Great to see footnotes of your sources
@@macmedic892 im a bartender in okc. theres an an english bartender out here who raises a fuss every time someone orders an irish car bomb. shes goes on about how she survived the bombing campaign of the 70's. i was working at a local brewery when she came in and raised a fuss about the drink menu, and i called her a piece of female anatomy in the vulgar slang form (possibly the tcs called out toward the end) and pointed to the black and tan on the menu and pointed out the fact that she walked into an irish catholic bar in america and she could order a genocidal rapist beer mix as an alternative. the ira is the only terrorist organization the american public looks upon fondly and with general approval. why an english person ever complain about irish terrorism in okc where a wasp nationalist protestant terrorist destroyed our entire downtown when i was a child is beyond my understanding.
Brilliant documentary. Just one point, The death of Cork mayor Terence McSweeney was a seismic event in the war and he gets just a fleeting mention. It brought international attention to British atrocities in Ireland and garnered international support for an independent Ireland. Students took the streets in Barcelona to protest at the British treatment of McSweeney and a petition of 30,000 signatures was compiled in Brazil in opposition to the British treatment of him. Furthermore, Kilkenny and Galway were places where there was very little IRA activity in the war in contrast to the Munster counties of Tipperary, Limerick, Kerry and especially Cork.
Excellent video. I knew all of this already but many wouldn't have so well done. So many smaller European countries fought to achieve freedom after WW1. Pity we only got 3/4 of our country back
They IRA also fought against the regular British Army. Some of the IRA's greatest military victories were against the British Army. I have studied this conflict for over 20 years and have used sources from the Military Archives in Dublin and British records held in the National Archives at Kew in England. For those interested in facts and figures I would like to give the following information. At the time of the July 1921 Truce which ended the military conflict the British Army presence in Ireland was 58,500 soldiers(some historians wrongly state 60,000 which is an attempt to round off the figure) At the time over one fifth of Britains standing Army was in Ireland! There was to use modern military parlance a surge of British troop reinforcements to Ireland from April to July 1921. There was over 15,000 policemen(RIC,Black & Tans,Auxiliaries,DMP). I have no figures for Royal Marines,RAF and Royal Navy personnel. Total Crown Force strength in Ireland at the time of the Truce can be justifiably estimated to be at least 75,000 to 80,000 or even higher. The IRA might have an impressive strength on paper but in the reality of the military situation the IRA in terms of armed men for it's Flying Columns and ASU's could only put into the field at the time of the Truce was 2,500 to 3,000 men.
IRA expertise didn't come out of thin air. There were plenty of IRA members who were former British Army soldiers: James Connolly for one. Tom Barry, a leading member of the IRA in Cork, served in the Royal Artillery. He was decorated for bravery by the British. Clongowes, the VERY exclusive Jesuit school near Dublin produced many British Army officers and men.
@@Denis-tg6jw Hi Denis. From my own research I have come across over 200 IRA men who had served with the British Army during WW1. A couple also had served with the US Army during WW1. Some IRA men had been decorated for bravery during WW1. By the way Tom Barry won no military decoration in the Great War. As you rightly stated he served with the RFA during WW1 and was part of the force that failed to break through Turkish positions to relieve General Townsend at Kut in modern day Iraq in 1916. Barry had also had disciplinary problems and he refused a commission into the Royal Munster Fusiliers. Anyway you will find the following IRA veterans of WW1 interesting. 1)Emmet Dalton. He was Director of Training for the IRA and was based in Dublin during the Irish War of Independence. He had served with the Royal Dublin Fusiliers during WW1. He was awarded the Military Cross for bravery at Guinchy in September 1916 during the latter stages of the Somme. His motto for IRA Flying Columns was "Everywhere all the time but nowhere at any given moment". His brother Charlie also served with the Dublin IRA and the latter took part in Bloody Sunday(November 21st 1920).2)Martin Doyle. He served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers and was awarded both the Military Medal and the highest British gallantry award the Victoria Cross for bravery on the Western Front. He was a native of Waterford. He worked in a British Barracks in Co.Clare and passed on intelligence. He wanted to serve in a Flying Column but the Clare IRA told him he was more use as an intelligence officer because the British trusted him due to his previous service.3)Michael Bishop. He was awarded the Military Medal twice for bravery on the Western Front while serving with the Irish Guards. He would serve later with the Waterford IRA.4)Joseph Clancy. This man was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal. I think he served with the Clare IRA. Obviously these men were a great military asset to the IRA. The guerilla tactics of the IRA were also new to them. If you want I can give details of other IRA veterans of WW1 and the ambushes they took part in. Stay safe during these challenging times.
John Roche thank you so much John. My measly research didn't go nearly far enough. I thought Barry received the Military Cross, but obviously wrong. There was also the Second World War example of Paddy Finucane whose father was involved (not sure to what extent) at the beginning of the war of independence in 1916. Of course there was also Sonny O'Neil, putative killer of Collins and former British Army sniper and John McPeak one of Collins' guard at Beal na blath.
@@Denis-tg6jw Hi Denis. Thank you for your reply. I forgot to mention that Emmet Dalton set up Ardmore Film Studios in Co.Wicklow. Paddy Finucane the famous Spitfire Ace father served in the Easter Rising in 1916. Below is another couple of IRA veterans who had previously served in WW1.1)Ignatious O'Neil. He served with the Irish Guards during WW1. Check out his pivotal role in the Rineen ambush in Co.Clare during September 1920 where 6 policemen were killed.2)Peter Vaughan. He served with the American Expeditionary Force(AEF) during WW1. He also took part In the Rineen ambush.3)Maurice Meade. He served with the Royal Irish Regiment in WW1. Check out his role in the Droomkeen ambush in Co.Limerick during February 1921 where 11 Black & Tans were killed.His memoirs make a fascinating read.4)Cornelius Healy. He served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers during WW1.He was a crack shot and killed the highest ranking Auxiliary Officer in Kerry during April 1921.5)James Coffey. He served with the Royal Munster Fusiliets during WW1. Check out his role in the Headford Junction ambush in Co.Kerry during March 1921 where 8 soldiers were killed and 11 wounded. 6)James Flagherty. He served with the Connaught Rangers during WW1. Check out his role in the Carrowkennedy ambush in Co. Mayo during May 1921 where 7 policemen were killed.7)Reginald Dunne. He was born in England to Irish parents. He served with the Irish Guards during WW1. He was part of a two man hit squad that assassinated Field Marshall Henry Wilson in June 1922. He would later be executed by the British.8)Joseph O'Sullivan. He served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers during WW1 and lost a leg at the Battle of Ypres. He was the 2nd man in the hit squad to assassinate Field Marshall Henry Wilson. He found it obviously difficult to escape with his War injury and Dunne would not leave him behind and both were captured and executed.9)Mathew Flood. He served with the Machine Gun Corps during WW1. He would serve in Co Cork under Liam Lynch a close friend and comrade. RTE made a documentary in the 1980's and it was revealed that Sonny O' Neil fired the fateful shot that killed Michael Collins. He was as you know an ex-British soldier and he may have also served with the RIC. Throughout the Irish War of Independence 1919-1921 it was a paramount concern to the British that Irish veterans of WW1 would join the IRA. I have other posts on this site that you may find interesting. Stay safe.
Its also worth noting that many in the Republic of Ireland wanted home rule, kind of devolved government like northern Ireland, Scotland & Wales have today, many didn't support the IRA, in fact residents of Dublin poured boiling water on many of the ones who were caught during the initial uprising, personally I find the IRA one of the main reasons why Ireland isn't United today, not only the economic reality, but the division it has enforced on this island, as well as policies by the Westminster government & other armed groups
@@ryangerrard4048 your 100 % correct there were more irish men in british unform on the streets of Dublin than the were rebels in fact it was the Dublin fusiliers and the royal irish rifles that took the GPO .
@@FranzAntonMesmer or ya know. Look at the huge progress the country has made for its people both economically and socially. And be proud. Things aren't perfect but they never are.
@@FranzAntonMesmer Michael Collins was a revolutionary who loved James Conolly, the famous leader of the Irish Citizen Army (ICA) and the Irish Socialist Republican Party, and a well known Marxist. He was by no means a classic liberal, in fact no Irish rebel was, for the very simple reasom that the classic liberalism practiced by the British Goverment in the 1840s was one of the major factors in the massive death toll of the Great Famine. As for refugees, the Irish have been in the same position for most of history, so of course we'd help them. Besides, a classical liberal would be far more likely to have supported the British Empire based on the economical advantages. Please leave your hatred out of my countries history (also the IRA as an organisation has always been an atheistic, leftist organisation)
@@cathalofaolain9103 yeah but trying to refer to traditional republicanism as predominantly left wing is just revisionism. Alot of left wing present but the movement was not a predominantly left wing movement. Im sure you are well aware of that. Don't use ignorance to fight ignorance...
@@longlivethechief2373 you clearly don't study the IRA in university, it was a left wing organisation from the beginning. Have you not read the proclaimation? " The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien Government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past. " Pretty damn left wing, especially for its time
My great grandfather fought in the flying columns. The tans attacked our family home and badly beat my great grandmother to the extent that she could never use her left hand again. Just a small example of the brutality of the cowards
@@padraigpearse1551 I know exactly what it was like. Neither side was blameless and the idea that it was simply the Irish against the English is historical revionism that ignores the fact that most Irish people were caught in the middle. Intimidated and harassed by both sides.
One of the problems for British people when dealing with British rule in Ireland, and the Irish War of Independence, is the reality that the word 'police' had VERY different meanings in Ireland. British people hear the word 'police', and a flood of images about 'Bobbies on the beat', blue lights over police station doors, unarmed constables, etc, come to mind. Sir Robert Peel's second attempt at policing, in other words. However, Ireland was the location for Peel's FIRST attempt at a police force. And it was a VERY different animal from what became the British norm. The Royal Irish Constabulary(RIC) was a heavily armed gendarmerie, based in barracks. Pistols, bayonets and rifles were standard issue for constables, with swords worn by senior officers. One reason for the IRA campaign to remove RIC barracks from the landscape was to enable Sinn Féin to control wide swathes of countryside. Another was to acquire weapons. Sometimes these objectives were achieved with inside help. On other occasions, the barracks were attacked at night, and burnt out.
Funny that General Henry Tudor said that "How the devil can we round up and try 50 policemen when we know that they know that the bulk of their officers up to the top agree in principle with their action?" considering they were fighting an insurrection. Then again, I don't expect people swept up by the violence to be even moderately self-aware.
In 2023, with an understanding we all need to make a living - I'm very happy to hear about Nebula. Lately it feels as though RUclips has been ruining great story, editing and content with wayyyyyy too many ads and some very disgusting political ads to compensate for over paying for the NFL. And with American elections speeding towards us, it ain't gon get better.
CALL OF THE WILL MAN what fight? These events were one hundred years ago. If you want another "fight" like the war that raged in Northern Ireland from 1969 until the GFA in 1995 and claimed 3500 lives and wounded and traumatised thousands more, then it's no thank you from me.
@@Denis-tg6jw because 1919-1921, the IRA tickled people to death? Over 2600 died in the Tan war and another 1300+ in the civil war. Spare the moralising.
Seán Mac Uaitéir are you Irish? Because if you are that remark is so crass as to beggar belief. You cite SOME of the murderous litany of the 20th Century and then talk as if it was a game. Irish people of all creeds and none want a peaceful future not some gung ho nonsense that sounds so tough from behind a keyboard.
@@Denis-tg6jw I do want a peaceful future. But to pretend the Old IRA were grand, and the Provos were bad because 3600 people died during their campaign is ridiculous when as many people died in a far shorter time during the old IRA campaign.
How NOT to do counterinsurgency. When the IRA started its campaign it was a tiny minority; all evidence was that the majority of Irishmen were in favour of the Home Rule promised by Westminster. Sinn Fein had no more chance of achieving its objectives than it does today. But by the time the Black and Tans did their work southern Ireland was united in demands for getting the British out.
No it was the execution of the 1916 leaders that brought support for the Republic and the evidence was that Sinn Féin overwhelmingly won in the 1918 elections before the fighting had started.
Well for me in 2020 the starvation in ireland (the great famine ) by the british from around 1845 to about 1850 i be in favour for united ireland republic no crown or olagarchy
@@dragosstanciu9866 the political system here is fucked, people's rights are being taken away & the whole point of fighting for independence became a joke when we handed control of our home to Brussels.
@@Ceiteach.O.Duibhir I know what you mean. “No land we’ll own except our own.” They should die of shame - probably the great grandsons of informers, the whole lot of them.
Not for the last time British heavy-handedness snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, or at least made the final outcome inevitable. And not for the last time the British political establishment was complicit in criminal activity including murder. It is said the Irish know their history too well and the English don't know theirs well enough.
Actually the treaty was only signed when it was obvious the IRA were going to lose, thats why they signed it. Michael collins said the ira could have only survived a month more at most. I am northern irish and the irish do not know their history, but they all know the same half- truths that always get mentioned.
Exactly. The British could have easily kept Ireland had they not repeatedly turned a blind eye to the abuse the locals were suffering at the hands of the protestant elite
@freebeerfordworkers That seems to be a common theme in the history of the British Empire. Local elements blatantly ignore the wishes of Westminster, commit some war crimes and then come crying to Westminster when they mess everything up.
Surely at this point the "United Kingdom" was the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland"? In which case the map labelling is misleading, since Great Britain alone has never been the United Kingdom?
Rob Hand apart from 17 million people of direct Irish descent who live in Britain many of whom came to Britain in the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's and 1980's and who worked very hard to make themselves key to Britain's economy. Oh yes and the numbers who travel from Ireland to watch (when that was possible) Liverpool, or Manchester United play and who read the off-shoots of British newspapers and watch British TV. Apart from that and the 700,000 tourists who travel each year, there is complete and utter indifference. 😊
@@Denis-tg6jw Pretty sure those people moved to the UK as a direct result of the shambles the Irish economy was in due to British rule. The higher wages are here now. Again, Irish people want nothing to do with the UK. You can certainly come here for a job though, as many of you do.
great video ❤could you do one about the Irish colonization of picland and the complete destruction of their culture. and maybe a short one covering the millennia of Irish raiding of the western shores of Britain, and the kidnapping and enslavement of Britons. love history, go back far enough and everyone looks like the bad guy 😁
@Anglus Patria * *IRA wins war for independence, despite being an army almost exclusively made of civilians, and wins overwhelmingly when you consider casualties* *
Cathal Whelan it is fascinating. I disagree on the influence that British Army training may have had. I believe 90,000 Irishmen served in the British Army in WW1. Many brought that experience to bear on behalf of the IRA; knowing how to use weapons, stage ambushes and it must be said, in knowing how to kill. Michael Collins bodyguard was made up in part of ex British soldiers. That may also have been his undoing.
I've read a lot about Irish history, and am a big fan of Irish rebel songs. For a long time, I was under the impression that the "Black & Tans" were largely criminals who would be given pardons, if they volunteered to serve in that organization. One version of "Barry's Flyin' Column" has an intro which says. "Prison scum in brown and black, no tanks nor war equipment lack.... but the gangsters from Dartmoor and Peterhead, reckoned without the boys of Barry's column..." Question: WERE the Black & Tans largely, or partly, made up of criminals?
I'm not sure. I heard the same thing but recently I have heard some historians saying that it's not true. But really it's irrelevant. The reason that such stories exist is that the black and tans generally acted like criminals. They had very little oversight and were essentially free to do as they pleased and they took advantage of it. They behaved like drunken criminals and terrorised the local population, sometimes for no reason whatsoever
No they were mostly demobbed soldiers recruited to police as replacements for retirements in RIC. They were badly disciplined and behaved and one was hanged. William Mitchell, a Black and Tan, was hanged at Mountjoy prison on 7 June 1921 for the murder of Thomas Dixon, a justice of the peace, during a robbery on 2 February 1921. His accomplice committed suicide. Their main crime was looting pubs during searches. They also tended to fire wildly to discourage snipers and killed many people in that manner.
Yes, I assume the Irish rebel songs, like most rousing, patriotic music, tend to stretch the truth a little, or a lot, as the case may be. But some of the B&Ts WERE criminals, as have been troops in many armies, a la the U.S. "Dirty Dozen" (they were real, though I doubt if the movie was highly accurate).
Great to see a neutral perspective on Ireland during this period. We Irish learn history from only one perspective and that is simplistic that the IRA of the time defeated the Black and Tans. They were called black and tans due to the colour of their uniform. Your video gives another and valuable perspective that the Black and Tans were simply not fit for purpose and effectively defeated themselves. 100 years after the attack on the Co Sligo town of Tubbercurry, the same town was used as the location for BBC's Normal People. Perhaps that's our shared future?
Hello i would like to ask if you can help me, so i have an assignment for college and one of the question i chose to do was why Germany was ultimately successful on the Eastern front and i need to provide 4 Secondary sources and 2 Primary sources. Do you have any recommendations on what sources i could use?
Counter-insurgency wars have got to be some of the nastiest wars ever fought for they show humanity at it's cruelest. Great job. Great video.
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@Jim lastname---How terribly interesting. I had no idea. I only picked my RUclips name because half of it was my real name translated from a foreign language and the other half is for effect. But I'm not telling you which is which or the foreign language. Hope you understand. Also thanks for telling me. I never knew that fact.
Have you looked at the GMT COIN games? There is one in development about the troubles.
@@KSweeney36---I didn't know that. How interesting. Thanks for telling me.
Counter insurgence basically , it has lost its realistic potential of in humane oxymoronic treatment after 2000/ with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan , all counter insurgence means is suppress the natives revolting .
Thanks for the video. I've been studying Irish history during the pandemic because, well, why not? Much love to Ireland and her people.
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I really appreciate this channel not stopping at Versailles.
Stuff like this is only possible BECAUSE of WWI. The ability to form the Black and Tans out of regular soldiers so they had combat experience (for better or worse). Most everyone had already been fighting for years so to continue fighting wasnt a big deal. There wasnt even arty which is the worst part of warfare.
I cant imagine the fear in the area at this time. In war the civilians always lose. This war was a case study on that.
“There’s a reason to have separate military and police forces, one fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When a military attempts to do both, the enemies of the state tend to become the people themselves.”
-Battlestar Galactica, Adama
Even though it came from Science Fiction it's still very true.😁
It’s exactly what’s happening in Belarus right now except the military police are losing and it’s Turing to revolution
The world would be a better place if more people read science fiction.
@@st-wf7pe Lol No
@@xunqianbaidu6917 If by romantic you mean historic and based in reality, then thank you for agreeing with us.
Otherwise, ok boomer.
@@xunqianbaidu6917 ok boomer
Just to give you an update. This week they were filming in Belfast. Two actors dressed in balaclava's and carrying guns .Waited to enter a scene . A wee women run out to them and said "Boys the police are just round the corner"
Bless her heart.
Allies: National self-determination for the peoples of Europe!
Ireland: What about us?
England: Hahahaha you guys are so funny.
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Roronoa79 England: protect Belgium, they’re a small country yet deserve independence!
England 5 minutes later: Nice small country you got there...
Seamus
Get the Armalite.
Aux: "Are we the baddies?"
Almost every nation in the remnants of Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire: What about us?
@@henrik1220 Sudentenland and Danzig germans: What about us?
Well done for getting the pronunciations mostly correct . 👍
Yeah fair play
Bit patronizing...
'cept Dublin Castle, not Dublin House
I know more than one Irish-American who went to Ireland and found out that they were pronouncing their name 'wrong'.
He got most of them wrong?? 🤦🤦😃
Thanks!
Great job in making the Irish War of Independence interesting, learned a lot about it that I previously didn't know
I'm proud to say that i had two relatives who fought in the WoI. My great grandfather Henry Toland was an ira sniper stationed in derry who went on to fight in the border campaign and the other was Edmund Breslin who moved from derry to dublin to take part. In 1920 he was recruited by collins to help with the assassination of a british G man on bloody sunday and was later captured after the burning of the custom house after a bullet was found in the lining of his jacket. From what we know, he was relatively close to collins. We have a wedding photograph of Edmund and there's a man in the back who's looking to the side and we've had it enhanced and it is Collins himself. Edmund went on to fight in the civil war and was brought back in to the army in 1939 to train soldiers for 'The Emergency'
thats amazing... did you know that supposedly independent ireland now disavows the IRA and especially the RIRA? its illegal to have any organizations with the names or too similar to their cause
That is neat Michael Collins is a real HERO
show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders
7r3v0r approximately 200 members of the IRA served with the British Army in WW1. Many of them won medals. Should they be ashamed of that fact?
Come out ye Black and Tans and fight me like a man
Denis 1901 it’s reference to a rebel song Black and Tans
Geneva Violator What’s next? “Croppy Lie Down”?
@@shura6465 oh bring back more war criminals
Your pronunciation of Irish names and places is spot on, well done, it’s not easy to get them right :-)
paul kelly Also Dev by his Spanish name 😆
Thankfully not much happened in Portlaoise, never heard a non Irish person get the pronunciation correct!
Except Kilkenny.
My Grandfather Born And lived in Co. Mayo , Remembered as a teenager picking potato's in a field in Mayo when the Tans went post in the car, they lay down on the ground, because if you did not they would open fire and they where terrified, they would just drive on.
this is such an awesome and underrated channel. much love guys
Thanks!
Great work Jesse.
This is a fantastic retelling!
It deserves way more hits.
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The Great War no
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I have curiosity Stream, I'll have to wait for my signature to end.
My internet provider just provided CS as a free bonus. Can’t find Nebula or anything you created.
Thank you. Always wanted to more history on Ireland. More evidence why military personnel or militarized police shouldn't be when it comes to citizens.
O my god another irish one yessss ss. Thanks for doing this. If I could but could I ask you to do one on the Irish civil war. Thank you
@The Beast no this i mean the irish civil war between the irish and irish
They probably will when we get 100 years on from it. Not quite there yet.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 we will never see peace 🇮🇪
@@cathanmccann1769 Azerbaijan and Armenia started a new one yesterday.
Great research and pronunciation; Ireland rarely receives the attention it deserves in the post-war battle against colonialism. Thanks for covering it!
Foggy Dew always starts playing in my head when the Irish independence movement comes up
It's always 'Broad Black Brimmer' for me
Leo varadkar always has the same song in his head for every historical event.. it's I Should Be So Lucky by Kylie Minogue 😂
Sinead and the Chieftains or Luke Kelly?
The Foggy Dew makes me cry every time
513 police constables were killed in Ireland by the IRA between 1919-21. A further 682 were badly wounded.
said the man from the Daily Mail...
Tyler Stone Did he? I wouldn’t know I don’t read it.
The Irish don't care.... religion drives their hate
There were casualties of war on both sides. Enumerating the casualties of combatants on only one side shows absence of objectivity and perspective that is an essential of any history.
@@jamesrowe3606 I love objectivity and reason and perspective....that's why I have been married 3 times..
For those who are interested in doing some family research, the Irish Military achieves are currently releasing the documents that were submitted by people who were involved in the Irish war of Independence in order to claim their military pension. These documents are a vital historical record of what happened as the statements were taken while the person was still alive and not written down after the person had died. All you need to know was the area they were active in and it will give you the list of names of everyone who was in their company. My great grandfather James Mc Grath was involved in gun smuggling and in the shooting of British magistrate Alan Lendrum. My grand mother Susan Mc Grath was involved in feeding men who were on the run in west Clare while also carring messages.
have you got a link to the site please?
Mc Garth ( Mc Graw)is a surname quite common in Scotland and Ireland, more in Ireland imho.
*Mc Grath
Yeah have you got a link ive got two relatives who fought in it
Comments on this are going to be epic
Nooo! My group of vicious murdering scumbags is better than your group of vicious murdering scumbags and I have the slogans to prove it!
And it's all going to be Americans with less then 1% Irish heritage and retired British army veterans doing the arguing
@@josephthomas8318 If only :)
Joseph Thomas nothing worse than Americans who’s ancestors moved to America 7 generations ago who think they know absolutely everything about Ireland and it’s culture, or when they call themselves “Irish”
@@adamlakeman7240 do you say the same about the French resistance?
The IRA had the backing of the Irish people who had voted to secede from the empire..nothing murderous about that.
This was phenomenal! Incredible!
The spiciness is lovely. Enjoy reading the comments lads.
You should have mentioned the historical significance of what Ulster means to Ireland. All our main mythology, our main Irish heroes (CúChulainn, Fionn MacCool) all come from Ulster. That was the centre of Gaelic history and mythology.
Are you absolutely certain of that? All of Ireland’s main heroes and myths? All of them?
@@bensanderson7144 yes the main ones, as I clearly said. Do pay attention 😅
CRUACHAN ERIN GU BRATH ! SASSUNS ARE SUPERLATIVELY THICK!
Fionn MacCool was from Leinster
@14:00: "but a more likely explanation [for the Black and Tan's breakdown of discipline] was the poor preparation, the lack of command structure and the pressures of the situation ...". Sounds like the planning and execution was of the same standard as 80 years later in Iraq.
Maybe not surprising given the generals were the same ones who'd planned Gallipoli and the Somme just a few years before.
Sending hardened veterans of the Great War who saw slaughter on an industrial scale to Ireland as policemen was never going to work. As been proved soldiers and in the case of the Black and Auxiliaries ex-soldiers dont have the criteria that is required for policemen. However they were sent to Ireland due to their war experience and were never expected to be a civil police force.
Sorry that should read Black & Tans.
Churchill was the architect of the disastrous mass slaughter of Gallipoli so you're not wrong.
Excellent video 📹
Extraordinary information
50 years later, it plays out again, lessons learnt
A lot of the IRA were world 🌎 war 1 veterans of the British army. Veterans of Irish regiments of the British army. Munster fusiliers, Dublin fusiliers, connaught rangers, lenister rifles, Royal Irish, inniskilling fusiliers, etc
When historical documentaries can talk about people being killed as much as they want but harsh language is going too far.
Particularly ridiculous when the word is now heard frequently on the BBC. I'd say it no problem but maybe YT would blacklist me. Yet, as someone else pointed out, you can see all sorts of depraved human behaviour on YT.
my great grandmother died when I was a baby, but she remembered being terrified of the Black and Tans, one day, she went to school and three little girls were crying because their fathers had been taken from them by the Black and Tans.
Rubbush
@@garymcburnie8323 it’s crazy how the English know nothing of their own history tormenting other countries
@@Prodrentjet it's incredible how blind some Irish people are to their history
@@garymcburnie8323 excuse me???
Your excused
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!
George Riddell: "it was absurd to think that the british army could not quell such an insurrection if given proper powers"
Northern Ireland: hold my car bomb
Bruh British won that war 😂
@@johnhenry4844 extremely debatable, they lost more men and to this day had to compromise with the IRA, you should check it out more. They failled in their first objective and had to give in to a lot of IRA deamands.
@@ssumbra5648
Edit: Once you include arrests of republican terrorists it is massive in Britains favour.
All that really happened is the IRA gave up and the British government was more than willing to call it quits.
I don’t see a united Ireland ever happening bruh
@@johnhenry4844 Dude you are completely ignoring and tailing the facts. I was talking about deaths, thereofore your thing about arrests dosnt matter. Second no, the ira did not quit, in fact they got what they wanted, political representation and they are now an entrenched political party with mps in the paliement. Check your things before commenting mate you have no idea what this conflict is about if you really go around troting that "the ira called it quits". They got all of the people you mentionned when you talk about arrests released so the dead and wounded are the only thing that matter since the british freed every single ira member arrested, even the ones who gunned down or killed british soldiers and they left northern ireland lol.
@@ssumbra5648
Bruh also let out of jail were loyalists who murdered thousands of catholic civilians and if you think the PIRA didn’t state the goal of wanting a united ireland you are simple insane.
Simple political representation was what the republicans wanted by the 60’s, but the RUC brutality, arms confiscating by the army really turned it into a full blown fight.
Which the IRA eventually lost
I heard of the Sinn Fein for the first time in the Lebanese news in 1998 but I am surprised that he was there since 100 years ago! Besides, I heard in this episode one familiar term, sectarianism, which is common in my Middle-East region. Bravo for this captivating episode and keep up the great work of bringing back history to life in real-time, 100 years later!
Thanks Rabih!
And which side of this conflict would you support Rabih?
"Wore low slung hustlers like the cowboys in Texas. But this resulted in a lot of shot off toes." I guess they never learned most cowboys only kept 5 shots in their revolvers in order to avoid that situation. They would kept the hammer on the empty cylinder.
Having 5 loaded chambers wouldn't have prevented the incidents they described; they were pulling the trigger before the muzzle was clear of the holster. DASF
Most cowboys rarely carried a revolver, and if they did would rarely have carried them in a hip holster (uncomfortable to ride a horse all day with). Hollywood has made up an awful lot of s**t right from its start.
@@kenoliver8913 Lever Gats or Blackpowder rifles were more popular due to ease of carry and better aim. Revolvers were sometimes used but mostly it was black powder ones.
" Taking on all the TCs on youtube" That needs to be printed on a T-Shirt
The Great War will pound them into submission.
A story we heard about "the tans"was they raided Tom Creans pub in Kerry,he might have been shop but and officer thrashing the pub came across his medals for bravery,they left.
Come out ye Black and Tans intensifies
Great Video. ...im Irish and proud of it👍👍
Great video as alway, very well put together.
Will you be covering the pickardstown ambush? The centenary is coming up and it’s also just around the corner from where I grew up, passed the site on a regular basis but it gets very little coverage even in the Irish education system. I only found out about it through my own interests in history.
Your lads only got killed onr tan like...
@24:30 you might note that this killing was of inspector Oswald Swanzy, the RIC officer held responsible for the extrajudicial murder of Cork Lord Mayor Tomás Mac Curtain in March of that year. The assassination was ordered directly by Collins and executed (no pun intended) using Mac Curtain's own pistol. And @25:35 Terence McSwiney was the 2nd Cork mayor to die that year, this time in Btitish custody.
Thanks for that detail. Mac Curtain’s own pistol? No doubting what it was about then.
Wow that's cool
This Chanel has come so far since I first watched it 🧡
Looks like I found another great historical channel! Thanks for doing a great job on all of these videos!
Timestamps:
00:01 Curiosity Stream/Nebula Sponsorship
00:21 Sep 1920 Intro/ Theme Song
00:54 Recap of Irish War of Independence
01:55 Mid-1920 A Fragile Situation/ Irish Shadow States
03:17 British Thoughts on the IRA/ Martial Law Talks
04:58 Lowering Moral Among British Forces
05:43 Introducing the Auxiliaries
10:15 Auxiliary Duty
12:13 Diciplinary Troubles
14:16 July-September: Violence Ramps Up
16:19 Tubbercurry Reprisal/ Responses
19:20 The Irish People
21:37 Reprisals: Sinn Feins’s Political Tool
22:11 Ulster Region During the War
25:01 Fall of 1920 & Bloody Sunday Cliffhanger
26:18 Monetization Problems/ Nebula & CuriosityStream Sponsership/ 16 Days
in Berlin/ Patreon/ Podcast
Any chance of a video on the Great War veterans who fought against the British in the IRA during the war of independence? Great to see footnotes of your sources
Every time an American with 1% hears 'black and tans'...
I’d always thought a “Black and Tan” was a pint of beer, half Harp Lager and of Guinness Extra Stout. I guess there’s more to the name.
@@macmedic892 im a bartender in okc. theres an an english bartender out here who raises a fuss every time someone orders an irish car bomb. shes goes on about how she survived the bombing campaign of the 70's. i was working at a local brewery when she came in and raised a fuss about the drink menu, and i called her a piece of female anatomy in the vulgar slang form (possibly the tcs called out toward the end) and pointed to the black and tan on the menu and pointed out the fact that she walked into an irish catholic bar in america and she could order a genocidal rapist beer mix as an alternative. the ira is the only terrorist organization the american public looks upon fondly and with general approval. why an english person ever complain about irish terrorism in okc where a wasp nationalist protestant terrorist destroyed our entire downtown when i was a child is beyond my understanding.
@@cdabiri People are strange. I remember OKC bombing as a kid.
I would love for you guys to do along andmore in depth look at the Irish war of independance and civil war
Quite the Bloody Sunday teaser there at the end
Brilliant documentary. Just one point, The death of Cork mayor Terence McSweeney was a seismic event in the war and he gets just a fleeting mention. It brought international attention to British atrocities in Ireland and garnered international support for an independent Ireland. Students took the streets in Barcelona to protest at the British treatment of McSweeney and a petition of 30,000 signatures was compiled in Brazil in opposition to the British treatment of him. Furthermore, Kilkenny and Galway were places where there was very little IRA activity in the war in contrast to the Munster counties of Tipperary, Limerick, Kerry and especially Cork.
Finally I was convinced to subscribe to curiositystream. But I cannot find 16 days in Berlin
If you used our link for Curiosity Stream, you will have gotten a link to access Nebula for free. That is the sister platform that 16 Days is on!
Great video, love the presentation and knowledge 👌
Great vid
gotta hand it to the irish they have great sense of humor.
Excellent video. I knew all of this already but many wouldn't have so well done. So many smaller European countries fought to achieve freedom after WW1. Pity we only got 3/4 of our country back
Not ur country as long as it's mainly unionists there
Tbf most people in the North want to remain in the UK
At least you have your own country.
Salute to our gallant volunteers who with little training, few weapons and great determination managed to take on the auxies, tans and the rest.
They IRA also fought against the regular British Army. Some of the IRA's greatest military victories were against the British Army. I have studied this conflict for over 20 years and have used sources from the Military Archives in Dublin and British records held in the National Archives at Kew in England. For those interested in facts and figures I would like to give the following information. At the time of the July 1921 Truce which ended the military conflict the British Army presence in Ireland was 58,500 soldiers(some historians wrongly state 60,000 which is an attempt to round off the figure) At the time over one fifth of Britains standing Army was in Ireland! There was to use modern military parlance a surge of British troop reinforcements to Ireland from April to July 1921. There was over 15,000 policemen(RIC,Black & Tans,Auxiliaries,DMP). I have no figures for Royal Marines,RAF and Royal Navy personnel. Total Crown Force strength in Ireland at the time of the Truce can be justifiably estimated to be at least 75,000 to 80,000 or even higher. The IRA might have an impressive strength on paper but in the reality of the military situation the IRA in terms of armed men for it's Flying Columns and ASU's could only put into the field at the time of the Truce was 2,500 to 3,000 men.
IRA expertise didn't come out of thin air. There were plenty of IRA members who were former British Army soldiers: James Connolly for one. Tom Barry, a leading member of the IRA in Cork, served in the Royal Artillery. He was decorated for bravery by the British. Clongowes, the VERY exclusive Jesuit school near Dublin produced many British Army officers and men.
@@Denis-tg6jw Hi Denis. From my own research I have come across over 200 IRA men who had served with the British Army during WW1. A couple also had served with the US Army during WW1. Some IRA men had been decorated for bravery during WW1. By the way Tom Barry won no military decoration in the Great War. As you rightly stated he served with the RFA during WW1 and was part of the force that failed to break through Turkish positions to relieve General Townsend at Kut in modern day Iraq in 1916. Barry had also had disciplinary problems and he refused a commission into the Royal Munster Fusiliers. Anyway you will find the following IRA veterans of WW1 interesting. 1)Emmet Dalton. He was Director of Training for the IRA and was based in Dublin during the Irish War of Independence. He had served with the Royal Dublin Fusiliers during WW1. He was awarded the Military Cross for bravery at Guinchy in September 1916 during the latter stages of the Somme. His motto for IRA Flying Columns was "Everywhere all the time but nowhere at any given moment". His brother Charlie also served with the Dublin IRA and the latter took part in Bloody Sunday(November 21st 1920).2)Martin Doyle. He served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers and was awarded both the Military Medal and the highest British gallantry award the Victoria Cross for bravery on the Western Front. He was a native of Waterford. He worked in a British Barracks in Co.Clare and passed on intelligence. He wanted to serve in a Flying Column but the Clare IRA told him he was more use as an intelligence officer because the British trusted him due to his previous service.3)Michael Bishop. He was awarded the Military Medal twice for bravery on the Western Front while serving with the Irish Guards. He would serve later with the Waterford IRA.4)Joseph Clancy. This man was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal. I think he served with the Clare IRA. Obviously these men were a great military asset to the IRA. The guerilla tactics of the IRA were also new to them. If you want I can give details of other IRA veterans of WW1 and the ambushes they took part in. Stay safe during these challenging times.
John Roche thank you so much John. My measly research didn't go nearly far enough. I thought Barry received the Military Cross, but obviously wrong. There was also the Second World War example of Paddy Finucane whose father was involved (not sure to what extent) at the beginning of the war of independence in 1916. Of course there was also Sonny O'Neil, putative killer of Collins and former British Army sniper and John McPeak one of Collins' guard at Beal na blath.
@@Denis-tg6jw Hi Denis. Thank you for your reply. I forgot to mention that Emmet Dalton set up Ardmore Film Studios in Co.Wicklow. Paddy Finucane the famous Spitfire Ace father served in the Easter Rising in 1916. Below is another couple of IRA veterans who had previously served in WW1.1)Ignatious O'Neil. He served with the Irish Guards during WW1. Check out his pivotal role in the Rineen ambush in Co.Clare during September 1920 where 6 policemen were killed.2)Peter Vaughan. He served with the American Expeditionary Force(AEF) during WW1. He also took part In the Rineen ambush.3)Maurice Meade. He served with the Royal Irish Regiment in WW1. Check out his role in the Droomkeen ambush in Co.Limerick during February 1921 where 11 Black & Tans were killed.His memoirs make a fascinating read.4)Cornelius Healy. He served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers during WW1.He was a crack shot and killed the highest ranking Auxiliary Officer in Kerry during April 1921.5)James Coffey. He served with the Royal Munster Fusiliets during WW1. Check out his role in the Headford Junction ambush in Co.Kerry during March 1921 where 8 soldiers were killed and 11 wounded. 6)James Flagherty. He served with the Connaught Rangers during WW1. Check out his role in the Carrowkennedy ambush in Co. Mayo during May 1921 where 7 policemen were killed.7)Reginald Dunne. He was born in England to Irish parents. He served with the Irish Guards during WW1. He was part of a two man hit squad that assassinated Field Marshall Henry Wilson in June 1922. He would later be executed by the British.8)Joseph O'Sullivan. He served with the Royal Munster Fusiliers during WW1 and lost a leg at the Battle of Ypres. He was the 2nd man in the hit squad to assassinate Field Marshall Henry Wilson. He found it obviously difficult to escape with his War injury and Dunne would not leave him behind and both were captured and executed.9)Mathew Flood. He served with the Machine Gun Corps during WW1. He would serve in Co Cork under Liam Lynch a close friend and comrade. RTE made a documentary in the 1980's and it was revealed that Sonny O' Neil fired the fateful shot that killed Michael Collins. He was as you know an ex-British soldier and he may have also served with the RIC. Throughout the Irish War of Independence 1919-1921 it was a paramount concern to the British that Irish veterans of WW1 would join the IRA. I have other posts on this site that you may find interesting. Stay safe.
England suggested Ireland help in the fight for the freedom of small nations and Ireland took that to heart
This is fuckin' tremendous, as always
Its also worth noting that many in the Republic of Ireland wanted home rule, kind of devolved government like northern Ireland, Scotland & Wales have today, many didn't support the IRA, in fact residents of Dublin poured boiling water on many of the ones who were caught during the initial uprising, personally I find the IRA one of the main reasons why Ireland isn't United today, not only the economic reality, but the division it has enforced on this island, as well as policies by the Westminster government & other armed groups
@Alex 28 I'm not clueless I have family who told me so!
@@ryangerrard4048 your 100 % correct there were more irish men in british unform on the streets of Dublin than the were rebels in fact it was the Dublin fusiliers and the royal irish rifles that took the GPO .
I thought this channel was done because the armistice was signed in 1918. Glad to see another video
"There's more to Oirland dan dis"
Irish Tourist Board suggestion 1997.
"The T stood for Tough."
I'm guessing the C was neither "Chap" nor "Cookie."
It's RUclips, they may have decided 'Chap' was offensive and against community rules.
Its tough cant
Last time I was this early, Michael Collins was gearing up for war.
@@FranzAntonMesmer or ya know. Look at the huge progress the country has made for its people both economically and socially. And be proud. Things aren't perfect but they never are.
@@FranzAntonMesmer Michael Collins was a revolutionary who loved James Conolly, the famous leader of the Irish Citizen Army (ICA) and the Irish Socialist Republican Party, and a well known Marxist. He was by no means a classic liberal, in fact no Irish rebel was, for the very simple reasom that the classic liberalism practiced by the British Goverment in the 1840s was one of the major factors in the massive death toll of the Great Famine. As for refugees, the Irish have been in the same position for most of history, so of course we'd help them. Besides, a classical liberal would be far more likely to have supported the British Empire based on the economical advantages. Please leave your hatred out of my countries history (also the IRA as an organisation has always been an atheistic, leftist organisation)
@@cathalofaolain9103 Michael Collins a marxist? You must be having a laugh
@@cathalofaolain9103 yeah but trying to refer to traditional republicanism as predominantly left wing is just revisionism. Alot of left wing present but the movement was not a predominantly left wing movement. Im sure you are well aware of that. Don't use ignorance to fight ignorance...
@@longlivethechief2373 you clearly don't study the IRA in university, it was a left wing organisation from the beginning. Have you not read the proclaimation?
" The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien Government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past. "
Pretty damn left wing, especially for its time
Sad that youtube is censoring history
No matter what your opinion is , the balck and tans really looked badass
Photo at 6:00 - Private Baldrick at far right?
My great grandfather fought in the flying columns. The tans attacked our family home and badly beat my great grandmother to the extent that she could never use her left hand again. Just a small example of the brutality of the cowards
@@padraigpearse1551 i kinda smell some bs
😠🤬🤬
So you freely admit that your family took part in the fighting, but try to shame the shell-shocked harassed auxiliaries for a bit of brutality?
@@padraigpearse1551 I know exactly what it was like. Neither side was blameless and the idea that it was simply the Irish against the English is historical revionism that ignores the fact that most Irish people were caught in the middle. Intimidated and harassed by both sides.
@@padraigpearse1551 Also as is pointed out, at the very least 10% of the auxiliary division was itself Irish.
When will you do Lithuanian fight for Independence?
They'll do the next one against Russia🤣🤣🤣
Hmmmmm......"TC" does not mean "Tough Runt" because Runt starts with an "R"....
One of the problems for British people when dealing with British rule in Ireland, and the Irish War of Independence, is the reality that the word 'police' had VERY different meanings in Ireland.
British people hear the word 'police', and a flood of images about 'Bobbies on the beat', blue lights over police station doors, unarmed constables, etc, come to mind. Sir Robert Peel's second attempt at policing, in other words.
However, Ireland was the location for Peel's FIRST attempt at a police force. And it was a VERY different animal from what became the British norm.
The Royal Irish Constabulary(RIC) was a heavily armed gendarmerie, based in barracks. Pistols, bayonets and rifles were standard issue for constables, with swords worn by senior officers.
One reason for the IRA campaign to remove RIC barracks from the landscape was to enable Sinn Féin to control wide swathes of countryside. Another was to acquire weapons. Sometimes these objectives were achieved with inside help. On other occasions, the barracks were attacked at night, and burnt out.
Funny that General Henry Tudor said that "How the devil can we round up and try 50 policemen when we know that they know that the bulk of their officers up to the top agree in principle with their action?" considering they were fighting an insurrection. Then again, I don't expect people swept up by the violence to be even moderately self-aware.
In 2023, with an understanding we all need to make a living - I'm very happy to hear about Nebula. Lately it feels as though RUclips has been ruining great story, editing and content with wayyyyyy too many ads and some very disgusting political ads to compensate for over paying for the NFL. And with American elections speeding towards us, it ain't gon get better.
Keep up the fight boys don’t give up
CALL OF THE WILL MAN what fight? These events were one hundred years ago. If you want another "fight" like the war that raged in Northern Ireland from 1969 until the GFA in 1995 and claimed 3500 lives and wounded and traumatised thousands more, then it's no thank you from me.
@@Denis-tg6jw because 1919-1921, the IRA tickled people to death?
Over 2600 died in the Tan war and another 1300+ in the civil war. Spare the moralising.
Seán Mac Uaitéir are you Irish? Because if you are that remark is so crass as to beggar belief. You cite SOME of the murderous litany of the 20th Century and then talk as if it was a game. Irish people of all creeds and none want a peaceful future not some gung ho nonsense that sounds so tough from behind a keyboard.
@@Denis-tg6jw I do want a peaceful future. But to pretend the Old IRA were grand, and the Provos were bad because 3600 people died during their campaign is ridiculous when as many people died in a far shorter time during the old IRA campaign.
How NOT to do counterinsurgency.
When the IRA started its campaign it was a tiny minority; all evidence was that the majority of Irishmen were in favour of the Home Rule promised by Westminster. Sinn Fein had no more chance of achieving its objectives than it does today. But by the time the Black and Tans did their work southern Ireland was united in demands for getting the British out.
By the 1918 GE most Irish backed independence. It was the executions of 1916 that made Republicanism popular
No it was the execution of the 1916 leaders that brought support for the Republic and the evidence was that Sinn Féin overwhelmingly won in the 1918 elections before the fighting had started.
Not true after 1916 Home Rule hadn't a leg to stand on. 1918 saw Sinn Fein sweep the general election of over 75%.
Well for me in 2020 the starvation in ireland (the great famine ) by the british from around 1845 to about 1850 i be in favour for united ireland republic no crown or olagarchy
Nice theory Ken. Not true though
Not all of ulster, 6 counties only..
If only those who died for Ireland's freedom knew what a mess it would become a century later.
Tiocfaidh Ár Lá🇮🇪
Why? Ireland today is a prosperous country.
@@dragosstanciu9866 the political system here is fucked, people's rights are being taken away & the whole point of fighting for independence became a joke when we handed control of our home to Brussels.
@@Ceiteach.O.Duibhir I know what you mean. “No land we’ll own except our own.” They should die of shame - probably the great grandsons of informers, the whole lot of them.
Will The Great War do a special on Michael Collins and Devaleria ?
Me: starts watching Peaky Blinders
Also me: oooh let's educate myself on the real stuff
OIM BILLY KIMBAH
2:11 I hate how that sounds so relatable
My grandmother was almost killed at this time.
avn rulz it seems from reading these comments, the Tans had a particular dislike of Irish grandmothers.
Shouldn't that be "Magistrate" at the 3:00 mark?
Not for the last time British heavy-handedness snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, or at least made the final outcome inevitable. And not for the last time the British political establishment was complicit in criminal activity including murder. It is said the Irish know their history too well and the English don't know theirs well enough.
Actually the treaty was only signed when it was obvious the IRA were going to lose, thats why they signed it. Michael collins said the ira could have only survived a month more at most.
I am northern irish and the irish do not know their history, but they all know the same half- truths that always get mentioned.
Exactly. The British could have easily kept Ireland had they not repeatedly turned a blind eye to the abuse the locals were suffering at the hands of the protestant elite
@freebeerfordworkers That seems to be a common theme in the history of the British Empire. Local elements blatantly ignore the wishes of Westminster, commit some war crimes and then come crying to Westminster when they mess everything up.
Surely at this point the "United Kingdom" was the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland"?
In which case the map labelling is misleading, since Great Britain alone has never been the United Kingdom?
The old British tradition of completely underestimating the Irish continues to this day.
Dean Nilvalli in what way do they continue to do that?
@@Denis-tg6jw they continue to think we want anything to do with them. Lmao
Rob Hand apart from 17 million people of direct Irish descent who live in Britain many of whom came to Britain in the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's and 1980's and who worked very hard to make themselves key to Britain's economy. Oh yes and the numbers who travel from Ireland to watch (when that was possible) Liverpool, or Manchester United play and who read the off-shoots of British newspapers and watch British TV. Apart from that and the 700,000 tourists who travel each year, there is complete and utter indifference. 😊
@@Denis-tg6jw We go to Britain for the same reason people go to the zoo
@@Denis-tg6jw Pretty sure those people moved to the UK as a direct result of the shambles the Irish economy was in due to British rule. The higher wages are here now. Again, Irish people want nothing to do with the UK. You can certainly come here for a job though, as many of you do.
2 great movies for ye to watch - Black 47 , Michael Collins
Other great movies with an Irish W)ar of Independence theme for action are "The Wind that Shakes the Barley"and " Shake
A better movie would have been The Wind that shakes the barley, Michael Collins has numerous inaccuracies in it
quoting Peter Hart?? He's a revisionist historian who has been outed for disseminating false information. I largely enjoyed the show though!
All history is based in constant revision, stop using "revisionist" as an insult.
@@Vitorruy1 no
When it is done well is history, when it had an agenda is revisionism
great video ❤could you do one about the Irish colonization of picland and the complete destruction of their culture. and maybe a short one covering the millennia of Irish raiding of the western shores of Britain, and the kidnapping and enslavement of Britons. love history, go back far enough and everyone looks like the bad guy 😁
"Black and Tans" Huh? I though he was saying "blackened hands" the entire time.
Blackened souls is more like it.
Black and Tans and what is your your point.
That he had never heard of them before this.
@@avnrulz I'm actually watching mrballen right now drinking a beloved 40.
Ha
Video great but need a voice over throughout the doc
Is it possible to put Swedish subtitles to this video?
I would be willing and able to write them.
Erin go bragh! ❤️ ☘️ proud
Come out ye black and tans, come out and fight me like a man🎶
Depends what you call an 'open egagement'...
@Anglus Patria * *IRA wins war for independence, despite being an army almost exclusively made of civilians, and wins overwhelmingly when you consider casualties* *
Cathal Whelan a great many members of the IRA were former British Army veterans. Tom Barry was one of those veterans.
@@Denis-tg6jw true, but they're the exception rather then the rule. Still fascinating stuff though
Cathal Whelan it is fascinating. I disagree on the influence that British Army training may have had. I believe 90,000 Irishmen served in the British Army in WW1. Many brought that experience to bear on behalf of the IRA; knowing how to use weapons, stage ambushes and it must be said, in knowing how to kill. Michael Collins bodyguard was made up in part of ex British soldiers. That may also have been his undoing.
My relation:
Constable Martin O`Brien
Died 6 April 1919, aged 35
Shot dead by IRA gunmen trying to free a prisoner he was guarding.
You might have mentioned how he shot the prisoner dead.
I've read a lot about Irish history, and am a big fan of Irish rebel songs. For a long time, I was under the impression that the "Black & Tans" were largely criminals who would be given pardons, if they volunteered to serve in that organization. One version of "Barry's Flyin' Column" has an intro which says. "Prison scum in brown and black, no tanks nor war equipment lack.... but the gangsters from Dartmoor and Peterhead, reckoned without the boys of Barry's column..." Question: WERE the Black & Tans largely, or partly, made up of criminals?
I'm not sure. I heard the same thing but recently I have heard some historians saying that it's not true.
But really it's irrelevant. The reason that such stories exist is that the black and tans generally acted like criminals. They had very little oversight and were essentially free to do as they pleased and they took advantage of it. They behaved like drunken criminals and terrorised the local population, sometimes for no reason whatsoever
No they were mostly demobbed soldiers recruited to police as replacements for retirements in RIC. They were badly disciplined and behaved and one was hanged. William Mitchell, a Black and Tan, was hanged at Mountjoy prison on 7 June 1921 for the murder of Thomas Dixon, a justice of the peace, during a robbery on 2 February 1921. His accomplice committed suicide. Their main crime was looting pubs during searches. They also tended to fire wildly to discourage snipers and killed many people in that manner.
Yes, I assume the Irish rebel songs, like most rousing, patriotic music, tend to stretch the truth a little, or a lot, as the case may be. But some of the B&Ts WERE criminals, as have been troops in many armies, a la the U.S. "Dirty Dozen" (they were real, though I doubt if the movie was highly accurate).
Great to see a neutral perspective on Ireland during this period. We Irish learn history from only one perspective and that is simplistic that the IRA of the time defeated the Black and Tans. They were called black and tans due to the colour of their uniform. Your video gives another and valuable perspective that the Black and Tans were simply not fit for purpose and effectively defeated themselves.
100 years after the attack on the Co Sligo town of Tubbercurry, the same town was used as the location for BBC's Normal People. Perhaps that's our shared future?
Shared future begins with an apology and a withdrawal from the six counties.
Neutrality is debatable as he uses Historian Peter Heart who had an anti Irish agenda and whos research has been debunked by more reliable historians
@@seanmacuaiteir437 An apology from whom and who is to withdraw from the 6 counties?
@@joeryan1153 Britain, Britain
@@seanmacuaiteir437 Who knows, you may get your wish.
Please make a video about Aníbal Augusto Milhais
They were truly "Tough Cubs"
What's hairy on the outside and wet on the inside.. starts with a C and ends with a T.. has a U and an N in the middle..
A Coconut! Now grow up😆
Hello i would like to ask if you can help me, so i have an assignment for college and one of the question i chose to do was why Germany was ultimately successful on the Eastern front and i need to provide 4 Secondary sources and 2 Primary sources. Do you have any recommendations on what sources i could use?
Maybe a bit late but TIK does pretty much just east front.
If you listen to some of the story's of older ira members you understand why the ira was a thing if you don't already
Total might be a more appropriate adjective than tough
I see why you called it Dublin Mountains. But surely incorrect Wicklow Mountains near Dublin would be better ?
Part of the mountains are called the Dublin mountains, as they are in south county Dublin,