On the Wrist, from off the Cuff: Seiko Presage - Sharp Edged Series SARX077 / SPB167J1 Full Review
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2020
- On this extended episode, we take an indepth look at Seiko's new Sharp Edged Series from their popular Presage line. In addition to reviewing the SARX077 / SPB167J1, we'll take a look at some other mainstays past and present from Seiko's line up to see just where this new model sits among the pack. This is a long one, so I'll keep my description brief and let the video do the talking. Let me know what you all think in the comments below, thanks guys!
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I don't think Seiko prices have really gone up as much as many people seem to think. We have been spoiled by gray market prices that were based on largely JDM retail prices from a decade ago. When Seiko updates their prices due to depreciating currency and cut their number of authorized dealer accounts to stem the flow of watches into the gray market, we see it as Seiko pricing us out.
Recently they have continued to discontinue older models and then re releasing almost the same model for 2x price. (Supposedly upgraded movement) example the seiko alpinist green dial. Was like 450 now 750.
However, the stuff they releasing now are priced more appropriately for what they offer compared to competitors.
Before you would be able to get a seiko for an absolute bargain priced 50-75% that of their competitors. They still offer great value, but now micro brands and Orient, casio hold the best value proposition under $500.
Imo this is a good move for the brand as they attempt to position as a more luxury brand (entry level). They have amazing offerings under 1500, however once you get above 2000 oris, sinn, tudor, have great offerings. Back above 5000-10000, grand seiko begins to become a great value prop.
Theres also spring drive movements below 4000, on certain seikos which is again amazing value prop.
So now you really need to do research and look around for amazing deals for seikos instead of before where almost any watch from them you picked would be amazing value.
Another great review. I'm surprised you have already got this model, but impressed more with your deep understanding on Seiko brand and its products overall. Looking forward to the next videos as well.
ROSEBUD! Keep the reviews coming! Fantastic content, commentary and videography. This Seiko Presage pushes Grand Seiko and makes one pause when considering the price difference. Thank you!
Die Uhren sind so detailreich und mit so viel Liebe präsentiert, dass es eine Freude ist, dieses Video zu sehen. Danke dafür.
Rosebud!!! Brilliant video. Love the detail and your macros/low light transition shots are superb...as is the level of detail you go into. Keep up the great work👌
So satisfying to have all five watches in sync - nice detail. 👌 I've just ordered this in green. Can't wait to get it. Cheers from Scotland.
I bought the SARX055. It is a beautiful watch. It has since become my daily wear. I can't imagine a better watch at any price point. It's beautiful and well made, elegant, yet so versatile. I can wear it to a formal event, or to the supermarket, and doesn't look out of place.
Am i nuts feeling like the sarx075 exists because the 055 was too retty and they had to make it uglier to protect grand seiko….
( i dontdislike the 075 it just seemsto be amorder ofmagnitutde less remarkable than what it replaced)
Yes I have a SARX055 too. I am considering selling it. WTF? Well my car was stolen and the insurance does not cut it. My way of looking at the 'baby snowflake' is this: It could be the perfect watch but for one minor defect. The low tick rate; if it was 8Hz then that would be ideal. I wear my 055 quite a lot as I am a 'wrist guy'. I work with a lot of documents and I play a lot of cards. In these "critical" situations I shift between my SARX, my GS, and my Wise Adamascus.
Thanks for the review Mark. Seiko hit it out of the park with this one!
Really appreciate the 5 dollar footlong honesty 😂. Everything’s getting more expensive, even coming in here a few years later! That SARX Is still worth every penny though! Planning on getting a white one from Gnomon soon. Been watching this over and over, thank you sir!
Your empassioned case for this watch convinced me. I'm now the proud owner of this blue-dialled beauty. Rosebud all the way!
I just got mine. The only thing I was missing in my collection was a dressy everyday watch. I was open towards all price levels, looking at the SARB033/35, Grand Seiko Snowflake, Mido Multifort, Tissot Powermatic 80, Omega Aqua Terra, Rolex Oyster Perpetual 39. And then I came across your video. And my gosh am I happy I did. I concur the quality of the watch is a cut above the SARB and all midtier Swiss watches. It’s similar to my Planet Ocean, seriously. The finishing is very close to Zaratsu from GS and Astron. The movement is not the greatest (non chronometer, mine seems -10s/d) but everything else is amazing. Thanks again for your video!
Which watch are you talking about?
Rosebud. Wow! What a stunning watch! This had got to be the best sub 1000 everyday watch. The finnishing is something else at this price point. I want!
This is some serious in-depth analysis of the Seiko price tier !
I was weighing up buying in the blue and kept putting it off, but after seeing this video at the 25 min and the way it caught and reflected the light, I bought one straight away. When the box turned the wife rolled her eyes with “not another Seiko”, once she saw the dial all was forgiven. It’s a brilliant and well worth it’s value, Seiko has progressed and this better than a SARB.
Many thanks for a comprehensive review of a beautiful watch. Take care and stay safe.
Thank you for this wonderful review. The only issue on that, another watch on the list :)
Greetings from Germany
Rosebud. Thank you for the review and I'm glad you used a sarx055 for comparison since I own one of those as well. Really considering either this one or the green one for my next watch.
The SARX077 is next on my watch wish list. I am a real junkie for the Presage watch dials. Got a Negroni a few months back and the subtle changes to the color in different light levels (or angles) is just beautiful. Now, for those that think the SARX077 is "expensive", it's kind of in the middle. There are the beautiful Presages with the Arita Porcelain dials ($1700-$2200), the Urishi lacquer Presages (as I remember, the $2000-$3000 range). But you want to see expensive, look up the Presage Spring Drive Models, hovering in the $4000 range. That rate might get you into the Grand Seiko Quartz lower end models, but Spring Drive automatic, the cheapest I found started is in $6000+ range. From what I've read, some of the GS features and finishes are being shared with the Presage line, which makes for some nice lower end luxury watches. Seiko, keep up the great work!
Great no BS review! Rosebud! I actually have the white faced version on its way to me, for a great deal here in Canada, $875CDN! Can't wait to see it in person. There is just something about the white with the blue seconds hand that does it for me.
Great vid, and very relatable as I'm supplanting my department store Seiko (which is a great watch!) with one of the new Alpinists.
Great video man. Was thinking about getting the green dial but the blue is definitely the winner haha 👌
Wow, these are all awesome. Seiko is maybe my favorite watch brand.
Seiko has been impressing. In the past 5 years, especially the dials have become mesmerising
Rosebud
They have the best dials in the game.
especially GS sbgh267
The dial looks fantastic😍
Prices are creeping towards the USD600 mark here, and the black one looks really cool! Great videos, visiting your channel is becoming a regular habit of mine.
Awesome! Thanks for the light show.
Great review! I wasn't too interested in this one from the official product pictures but this really helped showcase what it's like. Looks impressive.
Seiko has the best dials. You need to buy them once they come out as their prices increase as supply goes down. I have a Presage SRPD36, chocolate brown dial, yellow gold case, and comes with 2 leather straps. Can’t go wrong with this line.
Rosebud LOL 😂 fantastic review on this beautiful Seiko. I don’t own this watch but I did just purchase and receive a Seiko SZSB016. It’s the new Seiko Sarb and the blue sunburst dial on mine is amazing. I got it on sale $160 off the listed retail price . I’m usually a diver watch kind of guy but this new Sarb is extremely nice watch . Thanks for your review it was awesome 😎
Stunning looking watch. I would say based on the video, that it's equal in quality to my similiar style Tissot, that is also around the same price point. I would love to get the emerald green dial version of this watch to my collection. It will probably be the next watch i purchase.
Beautiful watch and good value. The bracelet also has 2 half links so along with the micro adjust a good bracelet fit is possible. However when I tried the white one on it sat a bit too high on my skinny wrist, not a major deal breaker but enough to stop me buying it there and then.
I purchased this one for daily use. Because of its intriguing dial, great finishing, fit and sharp looks. However, the greatest advantage is legibility. The cocktail time series suffers from serious legibility problems, reason for me to sell it... So now I have this perfect daily wearer. Not yet as sharp as my Snowflake (they'll make sure it never will) but it's getting a bit closer. So yes, the price is justified for me... Nice review.
Which one did you buy and sell and which one did you keep? You do t actually mention any model numbers?
Great watch. I think the best seiko I have seen for my purposes. I think it is the best 1000 dollars watch and the best watch for me right now, keeping in mind everything you said. In addition, the best blue dial by far for this price and I agree that this color is the definitive for this collection and much more purposeful than the white one.
Maybe the only competition for me at the moment is Mido multifort chronometer, both blue and white dials - 80 hours, dau and date, silicone, COSC, screw-down crown, decorated movement. However, I still lean towards this blue sharp edge - just love the case and the dial more and is 39.3 vs 42 mm and has dia shield and is cleaner and simpler. Just the perfect balance of form and function, sophistication and simplicity 🙂👌
Great video But also lots and lots of wisdom in the narrative-as usual. Watch the other videos in Mark's library and you would be glad its present in all of them. Rosebud!
I bought the green one with a 25% discount ,$737. GS dial. Interesting case design. The finishing on the hands and markers are superb. I wear it on a nice leather strap. Look dressier. Keep it up, seiko.👍
Mind telling us where you bought it from sir?
@@kazifaiz sure. In Malaysia. You can Google for Shopee, our online portal. Price can be negotiated.
@@kazifaiz they're replicas
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Fantastic video mate, I am looking at this for my first automatic watch
My first auto was a Seiko sea urchin. Then I purchased the Seiko snk803. Be prepared to go way down the rabbit hole my friend.
Consider also the Sarx033/35. But the Ssrb035 is a great bargin if you are not ready to spend too much.
I have the green one. You would be happy to own one. A winner
I need one of these sharp edge watches-especially the Halliburton Zero. I saw that one below $700 on Amazon and almost pulled the trigger. The best thing about SARX is the crystal. They are so good. Unless you get a mega-deal on Joma, nothing Swiss can touch this quality.
Fast forward 2 years, Ginza, Yodobashi and Bic Camera all have SARX077 listed at 121,000 yen. With tax return and some discount, I got mine for 110,000 yen just a week ago... couldn't be more happier with JDM Seiko under 700 euro (listed at the country where I live for non JDM 1230 euro).
Great Review! I wish you had the white dial SARX075 but that blue dial is amazing. Rosebud
In the UK I have seen Sarb 033's sell for around £600 used. People must be mad to spend that money on a second hand Sarb. I had one it was a nice watch for around £300/£350 but it didn't come close to these new sharp edged Seikos! They are closer to Grand Seiko designs than they are to the Sarb. That is one nice looking watch the dial and bracelet look amazing. People who say the Sarb is like a Grand Seiko in quality have obviously never owned a GS.
Roseeeebudddd. Definitely a little long on the video, but this model fascinated me. I was on the cusp of getting a cocktail time when this model was released. You are correct that everything collectors have been asking for has been added to this watch. Smaller case size, thinner, longer power reserve, better bracelet, more hidden date wheel. Some changes don’t require any increase in price, but most of those do. Biggest comment to you is to remember to mention your wrist size. Helps give us perspective. Also, it seems from looking around that the Presage line holds their value better than others. Can you comment on that? I know a lot of people say don’t worry about value retention, but I just don’t agree with that philosophy. Watch collecting is a lot more fun when you’re not losing value.
Sorry, I try to make a habit of re-mentioning that my wrist is 7.25" for new viewers. I don't sell my watches really and don't buy used, so I don't have much input on aftermarket sales but I agree that from what I've seen, I have also noticed the Presage line generally retaining their value pretty well, thanks
Rosebud. I think this watch is absolutely stunning. $890.00? That's a no-brainer!
you sounded angry hahaha great video as always bro
Nice watch great review. Dial layout and case shape very similar to Tag Carrera WAR211B.BA0782. The side profile is almost identical.
So close to pulling the trigger on the sharp edge series..the green dial variant..I think it's spb169..your video will put some clarity to my decision 👍
I have the green one. You see the dial in person. The way it reflects, it seems like the glass is textured. Handsome case design. I have many GS. I would say this is closest to a GS.
I have the peacock. The dials are very similar, the way they play with the light.
Got'ta say-"unique quality." That...well, hands down-have never seen a go/wear, every where watch, not just a formal watch, but a durable watch, not just a watch that you can wash your hands in, but a casual wear, do everything even in the water that you like, as long as you can do it without tanks, then out to an evening formal event with no need to change watches, watch. Anything/Anywhere, Every day/Any day wear watch that has this grade level of complete package at this price point-along with a seriously unique awesome combination of quality, new trick dial, and overall high quality fit and finish...well, I've been a watch enthusiast since a kid and this watch is the likes of which I have never seen before overall in one piece ever, period; oh, and the price, in one word I'd say, at least for all I've personally ever seen, this watch is Unique, a breakthrough in development at any price...;and, Rrooosseebbuuudd🙏😄
Excelleny points made. 033 was a great value but clearly it'd not stack up against higher priced lines. Rosebud.
I have the SARX035 and I think it's the best from this family, hands down.
@@steelsteez6118 You obviously haven't seen one in person, otherwise you wouldn't make this comment. It's not even black but dark coffee sunburst.
@@steelsteez6118 WOW dude! BTW, have I ever said that I care about your opinion? It was ny subjective opinion "fool". Go discuss things with people that care of your opinion.
I have absolutely no idea how you can prefer the 045 over the 035. You can't even compare. The ink black dial seen through the ridiculously clear glass makes it one of the best looking $1000 watches there is. The 045 looks significantly cheaper and more dull
rosebud! Great review, listened to every word you have to say!
Beautiful watch. I may pick one up down the road. But I have the new Alpinist Reduced (SPB155J1) coming this week. Another great review my friend! Under $900 is very reasonable price. Rose Bud!
Nice, I have a SPB159 arriving on Thursday!
I will be on the lookout for your review.
These are nice waiting for the black spb203
This is such a great and always spot on watch chanel...LOVE IT! The only problem is it makes me want to buy too many watches :) Should I still get the SARX055 or you would recommend the new sharp series instead? It's nice to have the updated movement, clasp and all that....but that frost dial!
Btw ROSEBUD or ROSEBUTT?? :D
Rosebud. Lovely piece. I couldn't help but compare this Presage and the Monta you recently reviewed. Very similar in quality. Can I ask how do you compare them? Given what you get Seiko seems better value?
Rosebud. I have 3 of the Cocktail times but that one is way better. Prefer that kind of clasp over the butterfly one.
I think I'm about to order this in the green (SARX079) with the gold second hand😎. Are those half links towards the end of the bracelet approaching the clasp? It should easy to size it pretty specifically to my wrist with the half links combined with the micro adjust, no?
Nobody wants a cheap watch but everyone would like an inexpensive watch.
What an acurate observation! Thank you!
My brother would want a cheap watch lol
Well said.
Who else is making intriguing dial finishes like Seiko? If you know please answer because I'm always looking for interesting dials lol. Btw you have the best shots of this watch on yt
I actually quite like it. The lume makes it more practical. I do think it's too expensive considering the 6R35 movement. Would be tempting at lower grey market prices.
What grey market had it lower? Sakura and Seiya both have it over $700.
Hi everyone i can see very good watch collection here on the live screen which is jamed.
excellent review!
Good video, I just wanna say that in my experience the 6R35 does give 20 more hours of power reserve but suffers from accuracy and synchronism much so more than my favorite 6R15 which I do love a bit more. I own several watches with the 6R15 like modern reissue 1968 blue hole, twilight blue, green gilt and the 65 version all have the 6R15 and all are extremely accurate, I’m talking 2-5 seconds a day on my wrist well within Seiko own specs! Now my new 65 55th anniversary SPB143, 149 X2 and a dress watch with the 6R35 all gain way to much and yes they have settled in. In addition the 6R35 suffers more so from synchronism which all mechanical watches suffer but on the modern 6R is not great, it can gain or lose greatly depending on how you place the watch crown up, down on the wrist etc. those 20 more hours came at an expense of accuracy. I actually return one spb149 because it was gaining 30-35 seconds a day not good at all, I own tons of Seiko watches including the sla037, 039 and just paid in full fir the SLA043 coming in December, can’t wait fir that one. My point is I do love Seiko as a watch company, brand across the entire lineup but I feel that the escape,met and balance needs to be better tweaked to accommodate the new bigger mainspring barrel design. Please read more online about accuracy, precision and synchronism to better understand the difference between and how in effects your watches performance. At the end of the day I would be bothered by spending for example say 2 K on a watch that’s gains 25 seconds a day. My GS SBGE211 gains 1-2 a day which is to be expected for the coin I paid. Please let me know if your 6R35 is super accurate +/- whatever seconds. Thanks.
Mine seems -10/d. It's still settling, just got it yesterday. Testing it vs my Astron (which I consider my benchmark) and a whole range of automatics (6R21 SARW019, New Street Fighter Chun Li Seiko 5 4R36, Citizen NY2300 Miyota 8200, Omega Planet Ocean 8500). I'll report what I find in the coming days.
Did they lower the frequency to gain more reserve?
F’ing ROSEBUD!!! Awesome watches and review
Rosebud. It’s a bit out of my range but just means I have to save up. Personally love Seiko from the 100 dollar to the new divers with the spring drive that are well over a grand.
Yeah, for me those Spring Drives Presages are going to take a good bit of saving (Seiko Presage SNR037 Prestige Line Enamel Dial Spring Drive, $4500). Even the Presage "Baby Snowflake" is listing at $2200 w/out spring drive. Maybe one day I'll win the lottery!
They make a red one now. Looks gorgeous 😍 ROSEBUD
Rosebud :) great video!
Rosebud. Great video review.
Greatest SARB comment in watch geek history:
"This is a $500 watch that you can get for $400, that you used to get for $300."
It's only worth what people are willing to pay for it. Not many people are going to pay 500 for a sarb.
Love this comment
@@nerychristian many did buy it at 500, when they thought it was discontinued. But what most people said before was that it was the best watch you can get for or under 500. But now that it cost more than the 300-350 it once cost, not much people want it. So then, was the sarb ever really a 500 dollar watch to begin with?
@@gilbertoflores7397 oh how the prices have changed, i wish i found out about this watch at 400
@@gilbertoflores7397 The Sarb was never a 500 dollar watch. It was a good 350 dollar watch, and that's what you should pay for it. Even today.
I’m looking for something better than the SARB035, to have as a daily. I want a GS, but I’m just not there with the cost. These seem to fit what I’m looking for. Sporty, dressy, decent lume, decent water resist, etc. This is a contender for sure. Rosebud!!
Boy, you are certainly a Seiko fanatic!
torn between this and the baby alpinist any thoughts? which would you go for?
Hi! Do you know if the Sharp Edge bracelet fits the Baby GS watches?
Great video. Gonna get the white one though. 😁
Budrose. Sarx is an underrated line of watches, I think.
There's also a black one...but I think the blue is the best. No one does dials quite like Seiko for me...
I do love the Longines Spirit though...
Rosebud. 😉
Rosebud. Good looking new piece.
One thing that satisfied me more than it probably should was the fact that all watches were set and hacked.
My biggest gripe is how they handle the 'cutout' around the Seiko emblem.
Agreed but I still like it
Agreed it annoys me too much, it ruins the gorgeous pattern theme for the whole dial. I may wait for an update on these hoping that they'll remove that ugly cutout. They need to just put the Seiko emblem on top of that awesome dial without a cutout
Yeah - it's the only thing holding me back from jumping in with this one! I've got a feeling it would annoy me looking at it. The sarx033 is a good alternative though - just wish it was slightly smaller!
Agreed it’s not perfect but barely visible irl, especially on this blue one.
I think it looks really good.
Rosebud
Nice watch, but I prefer the green one.
**Rosebud** 🌹Excellent content and comparisons between the various models. Hope you’ll do more like this. Btw... would you consider getting your hands on a Seiko Sarv001?? I’d like to hear your thoughts about it.
That gap on the SARB bracelet drove me crazy... I swapped it for a leather strap quick...
Dude 100%. Not many watches out there that can offer that much for $1000 in a package
I'm surprised you haven't sourced a normal 6r15 signed crown and popped it in the SARX045 yet, if the cabochon is that out of place on it.
At least it sort of matches the dial, that was the one main faux pas with the SDGM001, that watch would be perfect if they left the AUTOMATIC font off the dial and just used a signed crown.
Do you think the Astron SSJ005 stainless steel version is good quality too? I really want it
The first Blue Dial You Reviewed Of all these,In my Opinion IS the Baby GS,Second Hand Is Almost as Smooth as GS. Face IS Just As Beautiful as GS.& Bracelet is Excellent. This Reminds Me of My Blue Dial Solar,But I'm Missing the Lum.& My Bracelet is a Step Down,from this. Not a Fan of the Slightly Oversized Crown,Wished SEIKO made this Watch as a Solar,But Not Sure the Solar would / Not Interfere w/ Quartz Drive.Hope if I Wait on it to Come Down a Little More ,SEIKO doesn't Stop Production of It.Is This One A Seiko or Chinese Bracelet?
great review. please tell us the dial or Crystal diameter of the presage and sarx , it usually gives a good idea of how the watch wears on the wrist. thank you
Yes . Tell us.
Rosebud! nice review! can you do a comparison with the monta Noble u reviewed earlier?
That was just a loaner, I'll be putting in my pre order soon though, so I'm eventually be adding one to the collection, thanks
Some people are asking to much at this price range. Nitpicking. They want rolex datejust-explorer quality. I think it looks great. I will add one to my collection. Btw price at the moment is €500 at discounters
I choose the tissot prx 80 hours power reserved and very nice bracelet and dial
Haha I am a Seiko fan. I have five to include a SARB035 and 033. But I am not buying any more for the next three years so I can save up for a Grand Seiko. Skipping these models and am hoping that by 2023 they will have some thinner GS watches for me as the chunk of some turns me off a bit.
what is the watch you showed at 14:20 on the left?
is this watch suitable for small wrists? Mine is about 14.5 cm in diameter.
What is the model of the quartz model? Needs a strap to swap for the bracelet, but looks great!
I think it’s the SUR309 - he reviewed it before I believe
You seem to forget the Tissot Gentleman Silicium Powermatic 80.
Completely on par: No hard coating, but silicium balance spring.
That said: Brilliant watches, these sharp edges.
No, didn't forget, just not an the same level quality wise.
Rosebud,I really like the black dial,Would you say it is a little sporty?
Yeah, I would say it's a sporty dress watch, thanks to the bracelet and use of angles, as well as the overall more robust build
Is the sarx075 an upgrade to the sarx045? In your opinion
Like the traditional SARX case better. This new one looks very much like TAG Carrera to me. Nice dials though
Rosebud. If you want to highlight the value of this watch , you should match it up against Tag Heuer's Carrera collection. Very similar aesthetic, better specs and at a fraction of the cost. Its three times the price of the sarb but third of the carrera calibre 5. I don't think Seiko is just competing with itself. I would love to see a match up between those two watch the Presage sharp edge and the Carrera Calibre 5 if at all possible.
My concern about Seiko increasing their prices and pushing higher into luxury is that it will push Grand Seiko prices higher.
You keep mentioning Gonomon but does you have to pay $100 duty or import fees?
Sarx045 is the best bracelet and the right amount of bling