@@DaMonStith Have you ever used the kabyle Flyssa sword? Im curious, i started forging my own knives, and my first sword in progress is a short sword Flyssa. I like the shape and challenge to make it.
This was super informative!! Loved this video! Haha I also always worry that I’m going to look at my phone after I’m done and realize it’s not recording 😂 great vid!
Love this wholesome content. Very informative and shines a new respect on the art to those who didnt know. My favorite practitioner Lateef Crowder has kept Capoeira alive for me. Eddy Gordo in Tekken has always been a great representation of the art in gaming as well. I've been watching Dewey Ramsey for about a month now and just added two more Martial Artists to my watching regimen. Thank you.
In my humble opinion, you can learn something from every style. You dont like aikido? Doesnt mean knowing a few wrist locks wont help you, i recently used one to escape a plum. Dont like capoeira? Doesnt mean you cant use aspects and theories of it, there is a few kicks and takedowns i use and it really throws people off. And alot can be learned from the culture, theories and knowledge of each style. its these lessons that differentiate your mma from mine and vice versa.
Correct me if I am wrong but in the research that I have done into Capoeira found that the movements in the battlefield combat variant of this system had a heavy focus on being able to use bladed weapons as well as the evasive movement and kicking to make it a fairly devastating combat art . Using dynamic rotational movement and kinesthetic awareness to efficiently take down your target and keep pressing forward on the battlefield without losing your rhythm.
Capoeira has so many useful things. Unfortunately most people who watch it being performed are uninformed. IMO, one has to try to apply Capoeira techniques against opponents other than Capoeiristas (and as well as Capoeiristas)and study those applied aspects. I love Capoeira and will be continuing to do it until my body and mind won't let me. Great vid as always brother! Let's chat again soon (Trovoada)!
@@DaMonStith We need to get you and RD together for an interview. Based on what I'm hearing and seeing you 2 would make for a fantastic martial arts conversation and bring insight on styles not routinely spoken about. Also you got a new subscriber, respect.
@@zephirol4638 Salute! Thank you. I would love to do a video with Ramsey or Seth. I think that it is really amazing how this technology connects us. Thank you for subscribing.
Your commentary is great. You asked if we want to see more, my big takeaway is I'd love to see more long form lectures/commentary on African Martial Arts and the history of them. You obviously have a very deep understanding of the subject, and I'd love to see more in videos like this.
Well, i have been following Ramsey for a couple years,Sensei Seth recently,and you for more years than Dewey. I was hoping they would look into HEMA,but i am also interested in HAMA. Finally,my channels are starting to converge.
Those are some really enlightening insights. I have to say that I had ought into a lot of the misconceptions about Capoeira up to seeing this video, so good on you for putting so much useful information out there. I find it really interesting that as Capoeira was being accepted as a national representation of Brasil it was undergoing a transition into a less martial and more palatable form for mass consumption, similarly to how Japanese Juijitsu transformed into Judo as Japan became more nationalized in the modern era. Really interesting stuff man. I love your videos, keep it up!
Thank you! Really appreciated this fascinating and extremely informative video about capoeira. Would also love to hear and see more about other African based martial arts.
Thank you for the deeper dive into Capoeira. I saw their video before this one, and I like what you said. Many people don't understand the art. It was very insightful and I learned more myself. Obrigado!
I knew that there was more to it than the dance/martial arts stereotype, but wasn't aware of the representation of spirituality/theology from traditional Congolese arts. Thank you!
Great commentary! Thanks for the video. I saw Ramsey's commentary on the wrestling connection and I thought of the conversation we'd had where you shared the same perspective with me earlier. So this is great that you put this out there. Given how omnipresent wreslitng is in African martial culture, the low posture in work traditions such as farming with the short handled hoes, etc. Capoeria makes all sorts of sense. It visually looks like so much of rural African life, particularly when looking at farming and the dances that represent it, to the wrestling, and even sacred dance. Thank you for spelling out all you have and being an ambassador for the African and diasporan worlds on this one!
Thank you for posting this. I have been looking for more sources dealing with historical African and African influenced fighting systems. You're channel is a treasure trove of such information. I'm glad I found it !
Capoeira was exactly forbidden by law from 1889 to 1937 in Brazil. And this is a hint, that it was considered a somehow effective "streetfighting method". But the modern, more common "Capoeira Regional" was a development from Mestre Bimba who wanted to make it more of a hybrid style with integration of some of the japanese (Karate and Jiu-Jitsu) styles which also became popular in the early 20th century. (Yes, maybe also Savate and some "Kung Fu") That is why "Capoeira Angola", which claims to stick more to the Capoeira without Bimbas modernisation, may be more traditional, but both Interpretations went on to be practiced more in this tactical game, we see today. But this is not bad, it is just a change many martial arts made, that they were not really practiced for fighting anymore. See, I am about 30 years in "Karate". Practiced for some time Taekwondo, Shotokan and ended in Kyokushin. And for me it is a bit funny, because Shotokan was the one of the first modern systemizations of okinawan styles as "Karate", but had this break, where it was not meant for fighting by its founder, Gichin Funakoshi. The reconstruction of Karate for fighting came only by different "combat sports"-interpretations, like various pointfigting rulesets in Shotokan and its korean development Taekwondo, or the "Knockdown full contact" in Kyokushin rulesets. Also punching and kicking techniques were different evolved/developed and integrated in styles. But it is really hard to reconstruct a martial art, that had this break, in which it not really was a "streetfighting style". And this is also a thing if you look into boxing, which changed a lot of tactics, footwork and punching methods by the invention of "boxing gloves". You will see a lot of great boxers suck in bare knuckle "pugilism", you will see a lot of Muay Thai fighters suck in "Lethwei"-fights, because the gloves make a big difference and boxers and Muay Thai boxers throw punches that are not working well without the hand and wrist protected. Savate also: By the mix of french kicking and english boxing in gloves, the original more open hand striking and slapping was dropped. But even modern "Capoeira Regional", which is not intended for fighting is not useless: Especially from my view, because "crescent kicks" and a square stance to the opponent play a role in Kyokushin and Kickboxing, the practice of "Meia Lua Frente" or "Queixada", like in a "Capoiera game", is a welcome and nice training method to develop good controlled movements.
The coaches I'm sure meant no disrespect to Capoeira and your take into how to establish a discussion was very humbling and educational. Great video Da'Mon...
very informational I started capoeira and did it for a month before Covid 19 is a great art looking forward to getting back into it when all this is over
Capoeira is beautiful. The original form of Kipura is a Congo wrestling style. It was based off the fighting style of the rooster. Most of Brazils slaves came from Congo. Arrest records show early capoeiristas were 80% congo slaves and the rest were west coast slaves.
This was a great video and I specially enjoyed hearing about the spiritual/symbolic part of the African origins of Capoeira. Anything remotely connected to "spirituality" I'd heard of it before (and unrelated to what was said in this video was the Brazil-introduced Candomblé, "replacing" the African Macumba. In the later all spirits were good and Macumba was kind of Xamanism for healing only. When it came in contact with European culture, it started to include evil spirits (European ghosts, witches, demons, the whole medieval lot) in its cosmology and started having a "to harm" side to it, then being named Candomblé. I have no sources on this, just hear-say. Now, I do have a question regarding Capoeira not being disguised as a dance. Not contradicting anything else of what you said (and indeed what you said doesn't contradict what I'm about to say), I'm unsure whether it was actually not disguised as a dance at some point. What I was convinced of before watching this video was that Capoeira was indeed disguised as (or at least claimed as being) a dance so the slaves could practice it under the noses of the slave-owners. So, on your argument that Capoeira practice was forbidden, I bring forth what is said on the Portuguese Wikipedia pages for Slavery in Brazil, specifically on Abolition of Slavery ( pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escravid%C3%A3o_no_Brasil#Aboli%C3%A7%C3%A3o_da_escravatura ), which is said to have happened in May 13th 1888, by the Lei Áurea. On the other hand, Capoeira was prohibited in October 11th 1890 (hence after the Abolition of Slavery), as stated in the Portuguese Wikipedia section "Liberation of the slaves and prohibition" in the article Capoeira ( pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capoeira#Liberta%C3%A7%C3%A3o_dos_escravos_e_proibi%C3%A7%C3%A3o ). Moreover, that section claims those African (descendants) went from slaves to completely destitute. With the surge of immigrants from both Europe and Asia, their chances of getting a job became even worse. Therefore, many turned to crime to survive, and used Capoeira in their endeavours. And this is what lead to the prohibition of Capoeira. I always thought the practice of Capoeira under the guise of a dance was a smart, cool aspect of the art. But for me, truth > cool, so I'd like to know whether I was completely mistaken or not. Thank you for reading this wall of text!
Great point. As a (white) Brazilian, my believes are pretty much in line with what you just said, but I got it mostly from written sources... I wonder what the oral traditions says about it.
@@LoganMaclaren Thanks for the compliment. I'm a white Portuguese (with another nationality too, irrelevant to this discussion); and so the oral sources I got were from learning a bit of Capoeira for a couple years, over a couple decades ago... Can you cite any written sources?
@@jeanackle, nice to meet you, fellow lusophone! Para ser sincero, não saberia citar as fontes. Fiz uma pesquisa sobre o assunto quando estudava na Universidade de São Paulo, pois era um requerimento para frequentar as aulas de Capoeira no Centro Poliesportivo da USP. Como fiz a pesquisa exclusivamente para poder participar do curso (no qual não fui aceito, pois havia um limite no tamanho da turma), não me preocupei em adquirir material a esse respeito, apenas pesquisei na biblioteca da faculdade de História. Vou pesquisar para ver se encontro algo que possa recomendar, mas já eram livros antigos naquela época, mais de 15 anos atrás.
@@LoganMaclaren Interessante a sua estória de ter precisado de fazer uma pesquisa teórica sobre Capoeira, para poder frequentar as "aulas práticas" (se eu percebi bem, foi isso que aconteceu). Achei sempre positivo, para qualquer tipo de conhecimento, juntar a teoria à prática (bem, com algumas exceções, claro). Se não encontrar os livros, não se preocupe! Era interessante ter uma fonte escrita que eu pudesse tentar encontrar também, mas o meu interesse é mesmo só curiosidade. Obrigado.
Thank you so much! African martial arts are mostly a blind spot to me, which I wanted to change for a while. I'm really happy that I stumbled over your channel :) and you already delivered a gem to me. I learned this assumption that Capoeira was a dance to deceive the slave masters in a Capoeria class so I never really questioned it. But in these class were only hobbyists and nobody with a cultural link to the art. All people who never were in Brazil or Africa 🙈 so you definitely got a new follower :)
Dewey and Seth's video was very interesting, I agree with some of deweys opinions of capoiera but not all. I have just discovered both HEMA and HAMA and it's fascinating, I'm looking forward to discussing it more with you Da'Mon.
I've seen Capoeiristas uses elbows, palm strikes, shoulders, knees and headbutts up close then they return to that "sweet spot" where kicks and escapes can be easily thrown, and sort of stay "there." I was always of the opinion that modern Capoeira is a lot more tame, reserved, and "streamlined" than it was in the past. It's sort of like modern boxing doesn't allow kicks, elbows, grappling, wrestling, and gouging, but in it's past boxing did those things.
I don't know about that as far back as 1867 the rules of boxing have established that only strikes with the knuckles are legal. And grappling is still allowed in boxing only the reffs for some reason don't let boxers work in the clinch anymore. But that's part of what makes boxing great, all the limitations force guys to become really good with their ha ds and learn the fundamentals of fighting.
@@eldenlean5221 Boxing used to allow different kinds of strikes and grappling before those rules were put in place. Just look up the history of boxing. Boxing didn't start in the 19th century. Those rules were put in place in an attempt to prevent death, in the ring, which occurred more frequently back then than it does today.
@@DoctahDizzle yeah, I know boxing is ancient and has had a lot of rules, but I feel what defines it today is the use of knuckle strikes only. If you add elbows and kicks it resembles more Muay Thai than boxing. I don't know man I feel like it's only been since the 19th century that boxing took the identity it has today. And grappling is still a key part of the game, but reffs nowadays are scared of it for some reason. Some more than others, but it's defenetly a noticeable trend.
I have trained for 42 years and as a Marine was trained in night infiltration taking out sentries it's the individual and how they use their knowledge and skills not any one system I have fought hand to hand kill or be killed I respect the dedication of the Martial Artist it's the individual not the belt or style a fighter uses anything useful in different situations
As a lifetime martial artist, Capoeira is probably the martial art I know the least about so thank you for this video. As someone who is karate trained from back in the day, I've felt that the back and forth basic fighting motion leaves the practicioner very open to striking attacks down the center. How do you protect that center line attack? I know that one of the weaknesses of any martial arts training is to only work out with others of the same style, something that I've tried not to do, but I've never trained with a Capoeira practicioner. I've enjoyed watching Michel Pereira in the UFC. Thank you!
I'm brazilian. I see Capoeira first hand since aways. Capoeira is not really good for fighting, sorry. But the mindset of Capoeira is the absulote best for self defense. In Brazil, specially in the favelas, they will teach you streetwise, how to read the situation, how to be malandro (street cunning). That's why so many young criminals used to train Capoeira. It was a useful survival trainning for the slums.
The way you describe the roots of capoeira in Brazil reminds me of rap battles and dis tracks, basically you are trying to assert yourself in a way that noticeably elevates you above your opponent and as such "puts them in their place"... however, the goal is to do so in a way that is as legal, respectful, and entertaining as possible all at the same time... essentially, as Ramsey Dewey has described recently, capoeira is more a political statement than it is anything else... though it possesses the potential to become more (an actually dangerous "martial" art). Very interesting. 😊👍
I never sleep on capoeira, I see so much potential from capoeira - from guard passes, from still having advantage being off-center, to striking off the ground - something so few even practice
This was a dope vid. I actually use the ginga in part of my takedown setups. Also keep the rhythm in mind and the playfulness of it also! You can see some of it in my highlight video I think.
There have been a bunch of UFC and Bellator champions who trained Taekwondo and held black belts. My favorite tkd vs tkd match was Benson Henderson vs. Anthony Pettis. Both hold the rank of 3rd degree.
yet they don't use much of it when it comes to true combat sports. I don't know why this keeps coming up, it just doesn't work period and UFC fighters will be the first to tell you that.
@Luke Brown Of course "fight ending" moves are one thing- some may even "showboat" to end a fight when the opponent Is done.. but that doesn't mean it will work on someone who is on their game 100%. Fighters also drop their hands and do dance moves but again won't work in general... Everyone can incorporate whatever they want if they are a good fighter and the time of the moment (key phrase) allows for it but you will NOT find much core training for such arts at any MMA or MT school anywhere let alone Brazil. A lot of Chinese fighters come from the world of Kung FU yet when in the ring or octagon wisely choose to not to use it.
@@maxrey4055 I have to disagree. I'm watching Henderson vs Pettis on RUclips right now. ruclips.net/video/smbYO1-yqtA/видео.html I have seen at least one TKD technique which I have used in real life (outside of the dojang, on the street in real fights) many times at seven minutes and ten seconds in to the video, a sidekick. It's not exclusive to TKD by any means but it was definitely executed as TKD teaches. One of the many problems with UFC/MMA is that the rules favor grappling, because you can't with striking unless you do a knockout, and in real martial arts, we don't intend to knock people out; the goal is to disable the person sufficiently that you can run away, not necessarily to knock them out or break their limb. At around seven minutes and thirty seconds, more traditional TKD. An upward hand strike to the abdomen and a couple of axe kicks to to the thigh. At around nine minutes into the video, a roundhouse kick to the torso. A very traditional strike in TKD, and one that I have used many times in real fights. Several more roundhouse kicks around nine minutes and thirty one seconds. Sorry buddy, but I'm seeing a LOT of traditional TKD in this fight. I would know...I studied traditional ITF TKD for two years. Unfortunately not with a Korean-American; the Korean-American was three levels back in the "lineage". But I see a lot of techniques I recognize. Front punch, front kick, axe kick, sidekick, roundhouse kick. Definitely traditional ITF TKD being used. Anothony Pettis won using, among other things, traditional ITF TKD. So it definitely is "effective" in MMA, not that MMA tests systems. Sparring tests INDIVIDUALS, not systems...it is the artist, not the art.
I appreciate the explanation brother! Very well done! Many people observe capoeira with no actual knowledge of the details of the art, and the judge incorrectly. I don’t want to call this ignorance since the art is constructed specifically to keep those details hidden from observers and opponents. As well, sadly, many practitioners of the art are not really taught the martial aspect, so it makes it even more difficult for it to be understood from the outside. Perhaps hearing your explanation, people will understand the idea of African battlefield martial arts taught within the context of colonial repression, thus requiring the tactics as well as training methods and situational awareness of asymmetrical warfare. Thank you once again.
Great video. To me Capoeira is highly slept on though I never really practice it, I still would defend the art. Love your insight and I must say I was one of the people thinking it was hidden within dance. The irony of it is many "traditional martial arts" was toned down for modern times and the so called modern combat sports is just a sport featuring a group of traditional martial arts.
There are a lot of echoes in this discussion of the history of karate. Though karate rescued itself from oblivion by making itself useful to the state rather than hiding.
Oh wow, I have never heard of “HAMA,” this is very cool! I’ve seen several folks who have claimed to teach African martial arts and ...ummm ....I’m skeptical! How cool to find a legit group dedicated to practicing and researching African Martial Arts! Do you guys interact with HEMA groups?
Thank you for sharing! Without the necessity of hiding the intentions of your practice from ruling authorities, what direction is capoeira moving and how is it developing? Also, side thought. One thought I had is that perhaps many of the kick-focused martial arts probably developed with the thought that its practitioners would be wielding weapons in their hands. Is that true for capoeira as well?
I really think that Capoeira is a beautiful art and has a place in the practice of maintaining a tradition. Here are two rules of thumb when it comes to judging fighting effectiveness. And please I mean no disrespect towards any practice or practitioner. Number 1 if you can't go full speed and practice full scope of techniques against a resisting, unpredictable opponent, who is not just using the same style to resist, than you need to seriously reevaluate your intentions of practicing that particular style. Number 2 if you have to spend years of study to get to a level of proficiency before you can effectively apply your basic technique against an average, resisting assailant than you need to reevaluate your style.
In one school of Capoeira I attended, we were taught some side and oblique kicks that my instructor said came from Savate. It made the tricking aspect more interesting, as we'd "break" a spin halfway into it and throw a side kick instead. My instructor, at one point, in one such "combo" said "It's ugly, but you still have to learn it!" I thought it was beautiful!
@@zyx7478 Yes, it was; although I never practiced Savate (had a friend who did though, and I watched some videos about it). Also, there's not much more I can tell you about that mixing. I was in Capoeira only for a couple years and a part of it in a different school (because I moved to a different town). Still, if you're interested in seeing more of it (unsure whether there's anything on the Internet about that school), the school was called Ginga Contemporânea (operating in Portugal) and had forked off another school called Capoeirarte, IIRC because of different POV on what Capoeira should be (and namely the inclusion or not of movements from other martial arts). And that's literally everything I have to say about it.
Yo, I see your shirt. Are you in Texas? If so, once the whole COVID thing blows over, I’d like to learn a bit from you, or your school some day (I’m new hear and don’t know much about you yet XD). I live in Denton County, so it’d be a few hours drive for me, but that’s worth it for a bit of training in an interesting martial art. Edit: I just looked at your channel more and I see you do weapons! Now I really want to head over. I have studied a little bit of Meyer, German Longsword and some European swordplay before. On top of that, I’ve learned a bit of Japanese weapons and a bit of eskrima. Cool thing about what I’ve learned is eakrima staff fighting is the same as European staff fighting and Japanese and Chinese staff fighting.
It is my understanding that the moves and techniques in capoeira are based upon a situation where the person performing capoeira is bound in chains (wrists and ankles are chained up). Is this true?
No that's a common misconception. The deemphasis on the hands is probably to it's connection to the Ngolo dance that used the legs primarily. There was also a pre ritual called kandake that involved slap boxing but this was practiced by younger fighters
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I've done capoeira for 7 years. It has a good vibe, it's fun, acrobatic, fenomenal cardiovascular activity. I like it. People need to focus on what will they do with a martial art or fisical activity. If you want to axercise and have fun and in the mean while learn some fancy kicks,capoeira is the best there is😉. In the self defense part... Not very useful, you see capoeiristas use elbows and such (as much as a ciclyst or a chess player fighting for his life 🤣). Or you like the disciple and spiritual, you can squeeze capoeira here to... I think. There is no particular martial art for self defense. The person is the one ho makes the diference
I'm going to be honest. Capoeira is not a system I'm super familiar with, so if I am speaking from ignorance, please correct me, as I mean no offense, but am legitimately interested in your thoughts. I think Capoeira is culturally very interesting, and worthwhile as an art. It's very cool to watch and see demonstrated. However, while I consider it to be an art, I don't think I would consider it as a valid martial art. Not because the moves are impractical. Many arts have impractical moves and practical moves. I think the issue I have with it as a fighting system is it seems to fall into a lot of wishful thinking, without pressure testing, that has led to a lot of justification rather than application. There isn't a systematic approach to dealing with many of the high percentage threats a fighter can experience, but rather works from the defense of a specific type of fight that they hope that the opponent will present. If I'm wrong, no offense is intended. As I said, Capoeira is not an art I'm not nearly as familiar with compared to other arts
When you say that the game aspect of Capoeira is trying to trap your opponent while avoiding his traps, would you say that's anything like chess? Like how some people describe Jiu-jitsu as physical chess.
Don't assume, all it does is make an ass of u and me. You don't know what the man has and hasn't trained, who he has trained with. An he never stated he was well informed on the style in the conversation. Quit getting your panties in a bunch. I also find it hilarious that you shit on RD but Praise Seth. When Seth does the same thing, nearly as much. Especially when he is collabing with Icy Mike.
ramsey was an actual fighter, he is very well studied and is a great coach. any study and research of capoeira will bring you to the same conclution RD and Seth had. including going to a capoeira school, they teach the same thing. and both ramsey and seth are humble enough to take this lesson. accusing some one of talking out there ass, while infact talking out your ass...
I have slowly learned not to judge any MA style too quickly, especially if all I've seen is a very American, packaged, commodified version. Tai Chi and Aikido ( or as one instructor joked "Aiki-don't") have also suffered from this, even tho there are practitioners in China and Japan who have developed and practice them as legit fighting styles. Yes, I know there are also many bullshido versions who claim to be legit but when tested fail miserably. Most of the time it is not the art or the tradition that is lacking, but rather the way it is taught and practiced.
I definitely think folks get sidetracked in judging effectiveness of these arts. Many of them were absolutely historically used. And when people are trying to kill you you aren't just making up bullsh!t. You need something that works. Tbh I think what happens over time is that knowledge increases. Karate guys could beat up dudes on the street in the US back in the day, but once guys got their timing and could handle the kicks, they would also whoop up ok some of these dudes. Had Karate suddenly become useless, was it always fake, or have it bumped into another martial culture that did something better? And in the case of African Americans fighting Karatw guys in the States. I think it just ran into superior boxing and a much more practiced more street. Less stylized way of fighting that could win some times. Today MMA says a Karate, or Taekwondo guy is going to need boxing. But the streets understood that in like the 70s. So I think things evolve and have to address new issues. If they dont they become obsolete in the new context. So I agree its wise to not discount any art that actually came from real use. Even if the context has completely changed and made the art less of an immediately effective art in fighting and more a library of techniques, some useful today, some useful yesterday and others useful in specific cases based on who is being fought.
This my problem with a lot of this stuff. The “Traditional Martial Arts”. You guys use words and phrases like, “for the battlefield”, “for war”, and then in the same conversation, “when your in the game, your trying to set your opponent up, to trap him.” When your “in the game”, “in the game”, etc...what part of killing someone do you think is a game? You say it was originally for the battlefield which would imply that it is a killing art, a system designed for war. Yet continually you and other “masters”, “Sifu’s”, “Guru’s” whatever your title is you want to use other terminology that implies, “ah, it’s just a game, we aren’t teaching anyone anything that could or should or is potentially violent.” I don’t get it. Is it for protecting yourself from someone trying to do you serious harm or is it a game?
There's alot to unpack in your question and I think that the way for me to do that is to do a live video and address some of the really good questions from this post. I will probably go later on this evening.
I appreciate hearing your perspective!
Thank you! Much love and respect for you guys do!
@@DaMonStith Have you ever used the kabyle Flyssa sword? Im curious, i started forging my own knives, and my first sword in progress is a short sword Flyssa. I like the shape and challenge to make it.
This was super informative!! Loved this video! Haha I also always worry that I’m going to look at my phone after I’m done and realize it’s not recording 😂 great vid!
Lol! Thank you for stopping by. I am glad that you enjoyed the video. I really appreciate your content and opportunity to connect. Thank you!
Da'Mon Stith absolutely!! 🙏
Love this wholesome content.
Very informative and shines a new respect on the art to those who didnt know.
My favorite practitioner Lateef Crowder has kept Capoeira alive for me.
Eddy Gordo in Tekken has always been a great representation of the art in gaming as well.
I've been watching Dewey Ramsey for about a month now and just added two more Martial Artists to my watching regimen. Thank you.
HAHAHA!!! 😁😁😂😂🤣🤣 You're Phenomenal, Sensei.
@@krownedkhaos4281 Absolutely!
As a Brazilian, I felt extremely well represented by your explanation of Capoeira.
but that BJJ ...
In my humble opinion, you can learn something from every style. You dont like aikido? Doesnt mean knowing a few wrist locks wont help you, i recently used one to escape a plum. Dont like capoeira? Doesnt mean you cant use aspects and theories of it, there is a few kicks and takedowns i use and it really throws people off. And alot can be learned from the culture, theories and knowledge of each style. its these lessons that differentiate your mma from mine and vice versa.
Correct me if I am wrong but in the research that I have done into Capoeira found that the movements in the battlefield combat variant of this system had a heavy focus on being able to use bladed weapons as well as the evasive movement and kicking to make it a fairly devastating combat art . Using dynamic rotational movement and kinesthetic awareness to efficiently take down your target and keep pressing forward on the battlefield without losing your rhythm.
Capoeira has so many useful things. Unfortunately most people who watch it being performed are uninformed. IMO, one has to try to apply Capoeira techniques against opponents other than Capoeiristas (and as well as Capoeiristas)and study those applied aspects. I love Capoeira and will be continuing to do it until my body and mind won't let me. Great vid as always brother! Let's chat again soon (Trovoada)!
Agreed my brother. Let's get together and talk. That would be awesome!
@@DaMonStith We need to get you and RD together for an interview. Based on what I'm hearing and seeing you 2 would make for a fantastic martial arts conversation and bring insight on styles not routinely spoken about.
Also you got a new subscriber, respect.
@@zephirol4638 Salute! Thank you. I would love to do a video with Ramsey or Seth. I think that it is really amazing how this technology connects us. Thank you for subscribing.
Yes my Detroit Brotha!!!
Think of it this way the Portuguese wouldn't ban it if it didn't work in combat. Just try applying it to armed combat.
Your commentary is great. You asked if we want to see more, my big takeaway is I'd love to see more long form lectures/commentary on African Martial Arts and the history of them. You obviously have a very deep understanding of the subject, and I'd love to see more in videos like this.
Fighting? Yes
Dance? Yes
Spirituality? Yes
Workout? Yes
Culture? Yes
Wow very dynamic style!!!
on this episode of "myth busters" lol great video.
Well, i have been following Ramsey for a couple years,Sensei Seth recently,and you for more years than Dewey. I was hoping they would look into HEMA,but i am also interested in HAMA.
Finally,my channels are starting to converge.
Man, I’d love to hear Ramsey’s thoughts on HEMA
HAMA might converge with HEMA, specially the Egyptian martial arts.
But if we talk about Ethiopia, etc, then not so much.
You're the guy from the Bioneer video, small world!
Those are some really enlightening insights. I have to say that I had ought into a lot of the misconceptions about Capoeira up to seeing this video, so good on you for putting so much useful information out there. I find it really interesting that as Capoeira was being accepted as a national representation of Brasil it was undergoing a transition into a less martial and more palatable form for mass consumption, similarly to how Japanese Juijitsu transformed into Judo as Japan became more nationalized in the modern era. Really interesting stuff man. I love your videos, keep it up!
Thank you! Really appreciated this fascinating and extremely informative video about capoeira. Would also love to hear and see more about other African based martial arts.
Thank you for the deeper dive into Capoeira. I saw their video before this one, and I like what you said. Many people don't understand the art. It was very insightful and I learned more myself. Obrigado!
I knew that there was more to it than the dance/martial arts stereotype, but wasn't aware of the representation of spirituality/theology from traditional Congolese arts. Thank you!
Great commentary! Thanks for the video. I saw Ramsey's commentary on the wrestling connection and I thought of the conversation we'd had where you shared the same perspective with me earlier. So this is great that you put this out there. Given how omnipresent wreslitng is in African martial culture, the low posture in work traditions such as farming with the short handled hoes, etc. Capoeria makes all sorts of sense. It visually looks like so much of rural African life, particularly when looking at farming and the dances that represent it, to the wrestling, and even sacred dance. Thank you for spelling out all you have and being an ambassador for the African and diasporan worlds on this one!
Thank you for posting this. I have been looking for more sources dealing with historical African and African influenced fighting systems. You're channel is a treasure trove of such information. I'm glad I found it !
Korean Taekkyon has a lot of similarities with capoeira, including the wrestling aspect.
Capoeira was exactly forbidden by law from 1889 to 1937 in Brazil. And this is a hint, that it was considered a somehow effective "streetfighting method".
But the modern, more common "Capoeira Regional" was a development from Mestre Bimba who wanted to make it more of a hybrid style with integration of some of the japanese (Karate and Jiu-Jitsu) styles which also became popular in the early 20th century. (Yes, maybe also Savate and some "Kung Fu") That is why "Capoeira Angola", which claims to stick more to the Capoeira without Bimbas modernisation, may be more traditional, but both Interpretations went on to be practiced more in this tactical game, we see today.
But this is not bad, it is just a change many martial arts made, that they were not really practiced for fighting anymore.
See, I am about 30 years in "Karate". Practiced for some time Taekwondo, Shotokan and ended in Kyokushin. And for me it is a bit funny, because Shotokan was the one of the first modern systemizations of okinawan styles as "Karate", but had this break, where it was not meant for fighting by its founder, Gichin Funakoshi. The reconstruction of Karate for fighting came only by different "combat sports"-interpretations, like various pointfigting rulesets in Shotokan and its korean development Taekwondo, or the "Knockdown full contact" in Kyokushin rulesets. Also punching and kicking techniques were different evolved/developed and integrated in styles.
But it is really hard to reconstruct a martial art, that had this break, in which it not really was a "streetfighting style". And this is also a thing if you look into boxing, which changed a lot of tactics, footwork and punching methods by the invention of "boxing gloves". You will see a lot of great boxers suck in bare knuckle "pugilism", you will see a lot of Muay Thai fighters suck in "Lethwei"-fights, because the gloves make a big difference and boxers and Muay Thai boxers throw punches that are not working well without the hand and wrist protected.
Savate also: By the mix of french kicking and english boxing in gloves, the original more open hand striking and slapping was dropped.
But even modern "Capoeira Regional", which is not intended for fighting is not useless: Especially from my view, because "crescent kicks" and a square stance to the opponent play a role in Kyokushin and Kickboxing, the practice of "Meia Lua Frente" or "Queixada", like in a "Capoiera game", is a welcome and nice training method to develop good controlled movements.
The coaches I'm sure meant no disrespect to Capoeira and your take into how to establish a discussion was very humbling and educational. Great video Da'Mon...
I cant believe how little i knew about capoeira before watching this, thank you for the informatiive and succinct video
This is a super interesting video, thanks a ton for the history of Capoeira. You presented it well, I think!
very informational I started capoeira and did it for a month before Covid 19 is a great art looking forward to getting back into it when all this is over
Capoeira is beautiful. The original form of Kipura is a Congo wrestling style. It was based off the fighting style of the rooster. Most of Brazils slaves came from Congo. Arrest records show early capoeiristas were 80% congo slaves and the rest were west coast slaves.
This was a great video and I specially enjoyed hearing about the spiritual/symbolic part of the African origins of Capoeira.
Anything remotely connected to "spirituality" I'd heard of it before (and unrelated to what was said in this video was the Brazil-introduced Candomblé, "replacing" the African Macumba. In the later all spirits were good and Macumba was kind of Xamanism for healing only. When it came in contact with European culture, it started to include evil spirits (European ghosts, witches, demons, the whole medieval lot) in its cosmology and started having a "to harm" side to it, then being named Candomblé. I have no sources on this, just hear-say.
Now, I do have a question regarding Capoeira not being disguised as a dance. Not contradicting anything else of what you said (and indeed what you said doesn't contradict what I'm about to say), I'm unsure whether it was actually not disguised as a dance at some point.
What I was convinced of before watching this video was that Capoeira was indeed disguised as (or at least claimed as being) a dance so the slaves could practice it under the noses of the slave-owners.
So, on your argument that Capoeira practice was forbidden, I bring forth what is said on the Portuguese Wikipedia pages for Slavery in Brazil, specifically on Abolition of Slavery ( pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escravid%C3%A3o_no_Brasil#Aboli%C3%A7%C3%A3o_da_escravatura ), which is said to have happened in May 13th 1888, by the Lei Áurea.
On the other hand, Capoeira was prohibited in October 11th 1890 (hence after the Abolition of Slavery), as stated in the Portuguese Wikipedia section "Liberation of the slaves and prohibition" in the article Capoeira ( pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capoeira#Liberta%C3%A7%C3%A3o_dos_escravos_e_proibi%C3%A7%C3%A3o ). Moreover, that section claims those African (descendants) went from slaves to completely destitute. With the surge of immigrants from both Europe and Asia, their chances of getting a job became even worse. Therefore, many turned to crime to survive, and used Capoeira in their endeavours. And this is what lead to the prohibition of Capoeira.
I always thought the practice of Capoeira under the guise of a dance was a smart, cool aspect of the art. But for me, truth > cool, so I'd like to know whether I was completely mistaken or not.
Thank you for reading this wall of text!
Great point. As a (white) Brazilian, my believes are pretty much in line with what you just said, but I got it mostly from written sources... I wonder what the oral traditions says about it.
@@LoganMaclaren Thanks for the compliment. I'm a white Portuguese (with another nationality too, irrelevant to this discussion); and so the oral sources I got were from learning a bit of Capoeira for a couple years, over a couple decades ago...
Can you cite any written sources?
@@jeanackle, nice to meet you, fellow lusophone!
Para ser sincero, não saberia citar as fontes. Fiz uma pesquisa sobre o assunto quando estudava na Universidade de São Paulo, pois era um requerimento para frequentar as aulas de Capoeira no Centro Poliesportivo da USP. Como fiz a pesquisa exclusivamente para poder participar do curso (no qual não fui aceito, pois havia um limite no tamanho da turma), não me preocupei em adquirir material a esse respeito, apenas pesquisei na biblioteca da faculdade de História.
Vou pesquisar para ver se encontro algo que possa recomendar, mas já eram livros antigos naquela época, mais de 15 anos atrás.
@@LoganMaclaren Interessante a sua estória de ter precisado de fazer uma pesquisa teórica sobre Capoeira, para poder frequentar as "aulas práticas" (se eu percebi bem, foi isso que aconteceu). Achei sempre positivo, para qualquer tipo de conhecimento, juntar a teoria à prática (bem, com algumas exceções, claro).
Se não encontrar os livros, não se preocupe! Era interessante ter uma fonte escrita que eu pudesse tentar encontrar também, mas o meu interesse é mesmo só curiosidade.
Obrigado.
Thank you so much! African martial arts are mostly a blind spot to me, which I wanted to change for a while. I'm really happy that I stumbled over your channel :) and you already delivered a gem to me. I learned this assumption that Capoeira was a dance to deceive the slave masters in a Capoeria class so I never really questioned it. But in these class were only hobbyists and nobody with a cultural link to the art. All people who never were in Brazil or Africa 🙈 so you definitely got a new follower :)
Man has a badass beard lol
Thank you! It's all gray and white like fell asleep in the snow! I wish it would grow longer but it just grows out!
Dewey and Seth's video was very interesting, I agree with some of deweys opinions of capoiera but not all. I have just discovered both HEMA and HAMA and it's fascinating, I'm looking forward to discussing it more with you Da'Mon.
Thank you again for interview Da'Mon, it was very interesting and was an honour to have you on, I admire your modesty my friend.
I've seen Capoeiristas uses elbows, palm strikes, shoulders, knees and headbutts up close then they return to that "sweet spot" where kicks and escapes can be easily thrown, and sort of stay "there."
I was always of the opinion that modern Capoeira is a lot more tame, reserved, and "streamlined" than it was in the past. It's sort of like modern boxing doesn't allow kicks, elbows, grappling, wrestling, and gouging, but in it's past boxing did those things.
Exactly!
I don't know about that as far back as 1867 the rules of boxing have established that only strikes with the knuckles are legal. And grappling is still allowed in boxing only the reffs for some reason don't let boxers work in the clinch anymore. But that's part of what makes boxing great, all the limitations force guys to become really good with their ha ds and learn the fundamentals of fighting.
@@eldenlean5221 Boxing used to allow different kinds of strikes and grappling before those rules were put in place. Just look up the history of boxing. Boxing didn't start in the 19th century. Those rules were put in place in an attempt to prevent death, in the ring, which occurred more frequently back then than it does today.
@@DoctahDizzle yeah, I know boxing is ancient and has had a lot of rules, but I feel what defines it today is the use of knuckle strikes only. If you add elbows and kicks it resembles more Muay Thai than boxing. I don't know man I feel like it's only been since the 19th century that boxing took the identity it has today. And grappling is still a key part of the game, but reffs nowadays are scared of it for some reason. Some more than others, but it's defenetly a noticeable trend.
Really cool video! Lots of great insight about capoeira. I can't wait for more content like this.
I have trained for 42 years and as a Marine was trained in night infiltration taking out sentries it's the individual and how they use their knowledge and skills not any one system I have fought hand to hand kill or be killed I respect the dedication of the Martial Artist it's the individual not the belt or style a fighter uses anything useful in different situations
Thank you for making this knowledge available. I would love to know more. Peace and blessing to you.
“The greatest trick capoeira ever pulled was convincing the world it didn't exist”
As a lifetime martial artist, Capoeira is probably the martial art I know the least about so thank you for this video. As someone who is karate trained from back in the day, I've felt that the back and forth basic fighting motion leaves the practicioner very open to striking attacks down the center. How do you protect that center line attack? I know that one of the weaknesses of any martial arts training is to only work out with others of the same style, something that I've tried not to do, but I've never trained with a Capoeira practicioner. I've enjoyed watching Michel Pereira in the UFC. Thank you!
Damn...you need a TV show and a couple of documentaries. I'd watch them all 👍
I'm brazilian. I see Capoeira first hand since aways.
Capoeira is not really good for fighting, sorry. But the mindset of Capoeira is the absulote best for self defense.
In Brazil, specially in the favelas, they will teach you streetwise, how to read the situation, how to be malandro (street cunning). That's why so many young criminals used to train Capoeira. It was a useful survival trainning for the slums.
agreed, compared to professional kickboxer or muay thai fighter. it doesnt fit well and will never hold up. Not to mention the waste of energy.
That's a very interesting perspective.
Doesn't capoeira has a for sports version? I know some techniques of it is applicable in mma.
Tell that to fighters like Marcus Aurelio and Mestre Hulk. Capoeira has its fighting applications that ar far more simple than the dance moves.
John Tyler Yes but those are the exceptions not the norm, a couple of highlights doesn’t make the entire art completely valid
The way you describe the roots of capoeira in Brazil reminds me of rap battles and dis tracks, basically you are trying to assert yourself in a way that noticeably elevates you above your opponent and as such "puts them in their place"... however, the goal is to do so in a way that is as legal, respectful, and entertaining as possible all at the same time... essentially, as Ramsey Dewey has described recently, capoeira is more a political statement than it is anything else... though it possesses the potential to become more (an actually dangerous "martial" art).
Very interesting. 😊👍
I never sleep on capoeira, I see so much potential from capoeira - from guard passes, from still having advantage being off-center, to striking off the ground - something so few even practice
In the old days they band capoeira in Brazil and it was culture their way of living
Thank you! I always saw capoeira as a grappling art, the flips being their version of ukemi.
Awesome and informative video. Thank you!
Never thought about the capoeira and luta livre connection but it makes sense, with luta being more of a working class art at the time.
Absolutley fascinating, would be even better with some demonstrations with your students for us to see
This was a dope vid. I actually use the ginga in part of my takedown setups. Also keep the rhythm in mind and the playfulness of it also! You can see some of it in my highlight video I think.
This was one of the most well informed videos I ever saw of a foreigner talking about capoeira!
Have you ever been to Brazil?
Perhaps he learnt Angola Capoeira considering his credentials
There have been a bunch of UFC and Bellator champions who trained Taekwondo and held black belts. My favorite tkd vs tkd match was Benson Henderson vs. Anthony Pettis. Both hold the rank of 3rd degree.
yet they don't use much of it when it comes to true combat sports. I don't know why this keeps coming up, it just doesn't work period and UFC fighters will be the first to tell you that.
@Luke Brown Of course "fight ending" moves are one thing- some may even "showboat" to end a fight when the opponent Is done.. but that doesn't mean it will work on someone who is on their game 100%. Fighters also drop their hands and do dance moves but again won't work in general... Everyone can incorporate whatever they want if they are a good fighter and the time of the moment (key phrase) allows for it but you will NOT find much core training for such arts at any MMA or MT school anywhere let alone Brazil. A lot of Chinese fighters come from the world of Kung FU yet when in the ring or octagon wisely choose to not to use it.
@@maxrey4055 I have to disagree. I'm watching Henderson vs Pettis on RUclips right now.
ruclips.net/video/smbYO1-yqtA/видео.html
I have seen at least one TKD technique which I have used in real life (outside of the dojang, on the street in real fights) many times at seven minutes and ten seconds in to the video, a sidekick. It's not exclusive to TKD by any means but it was definitely executed as TKD teaches.
One of the many problems with UFC/MMA is that the rules favor grappling, because you can't with striking unless you do a knockout, and in real martial arts, we don't intend to knock people out; the goal is to disable the person sufficiently that you can run away, not necessarily to knock them out or break their limb.
At around seven minutes and thirty seconds, more traditional TKD. An upward hand strike to the abdomen and a couple of axe kicks to to the thigh.
At around nine minutes into the video, a roundhouse kick to the torso. A very traditional strike in TKD, and one that I have used many times in real fights. Several more roundhouse kicks around nine minutes and thirty one seconds.
Sorry buddy, but I'm seeing a LOT of traditional TKD in this fight. I would know...I studied traditional ITF TKD for two years. Unfortunately not with a Korean-American; the Korean-American was three levels back in the "lineage". But I see a lot of techniques I recognize. Front punch, front kick, axe kick, sidekick, roundhouse kick. Definitely traditional ITF TKD being used.
Anothony Pettis won using, among other things, traditional ITF TKD.
So it definitely is "effective" in MMA, not that MMA tests systems. Sparring tests INDIVIDUALS, not systems...it is the artist, not the art.
I appreciate the explanation brother! Very well done! Many people observe capoeira with no actual knowledge of the details of the art, and the judge incorrectly. I don’t want to call this ignorance since the art is constructed specifically to keep those details hidden from observers and opponents. As well, sadly, many practitioners of the art are not really taught the martial aspect, so it makes it even more difficult for it to be understood from the outside.
Perhaps hearing your explanation, people will understand the idea of African battlefield martial arts taught within the context of colonial repression, thus requiring the tactics as well as training methods and situational awareness of asymmetrical warfare. Thank you once again.
interesting perspective and expansion on the history
Instant subscribe! I didn't know you had a channel!
loved the work brother!!! enjoyed the clear and concise explanations and the desire to be clearly understood. thank you!
Just subscribed to your channel. Much respect, Sir!
I wonder,what were the "darker" techniques of Capoeira? Maybe they can be found in the similar martial arts like Engolo and Kalinda.
Or in capoeira
hey i made a point about capuera and wresteling
i wasn't 100% sure on that
tnx for the confirmation
I love hearing the histories of martial Arts.
Great video. To me Capoeira is highly slept on though I never really practice it, I still would defend the art. Love your insight and I must say I was one of the people thinking it was hidden within dance. The irony of it is many "traditional martial arts" was toned down for modern times and the so called modern combat sports is just a sport featuring a group of traditional martial arts.
Much Respect, sir. Insta-Sub.
There are a lot of echoes in this discussion of the history of karate. Though karate rescued itself from oblivion by making itself useful to the state rather than hiding.
Can you attach a link to this video they they went about this
ruclips.net/video/XB9oN94wF10/видео.html
Thank you for doing that you are the master of the African stick fighting
I think I remember the capoeira fighter register the most powerful kick on that fight science show.
🙏🏾
Oh wow, I have never heard of “HAMA,” this is very cool! I’ve seen several folks who have claimed to teach African martial arts and ...ummm ....I’m skeptical!
How cool to find a legit group dedicated to practicing and researching African Martial Arts!
Do you guys interact with HEMA groups?
Thank you for sharing! Without the necessity of hiding the intentions of your practice from ruling authorities, what direction is capoeira moving and how is it developing?
Also, side thought. One thought I had is that perhaps many of the kick-focused martial arts probably developed with the thought that its practitioners would be wielding weapons in their hands. Is that true for capoeira as well?
Peace and blessings
Very interesting reflection.
I really think that Capoeira is a beautiful art and has a place in the practice of maintaining a tradition. Here are two rules of thumb when it comes to judging fighting effectiveness. And please I mean no disrespect towards any practice or practitioner. Number 1 if you can't go full speed and practice full scope of techniques against a resisting, unpredictable opponent, who is not just using the same style to resist, than you need to seriously reevaluate your intentions of practicing that particular style. Number 2 if you have to spend years of study to get to a level of proficiency before you can effectively apply your basic technique against an average, resisting assailant than you need to reevaluate your style.
Imagine blending Capoiera and Savate that would be buck diesel
Truly.
In one school of Capoeira I attended, we were taught some side and oblique kicks that my instructor said came from Savate. It made the tricking aspect more interesting, as we'd "break" a spin halfway into it and throw a side kick instead.
My instructor, at one point, in one such "combo" said "It's ugly, but you still have to learn it!" I thought it was beautiful!
@@jeanackle that’s awesome I am glad that somebody actually did mix those two arts
@@zyx7478 Yes, it was; although I never practiced Savate (had a friend who did though, and I watched some videos about it). Also, there's not much more I can tell you about that mixing. I was in Capoeira only for a couple years and a part of it in a different school (because I moved to a different town).
Still, if you're interested in seeing more of it (unsure whether there's anything on the Internet about that school), the school was called Ginga Contemporânea (operating in Portugal) and had forked off another school called Capoeirarte, IIRC because of different POV on what Capoeira should be (and namely the inclusion or not of movements from other martial arts).
And that's literally everything I have to say about it.
@@jeanackle Ugly stylistically is probably what your Sensei meant.
I love your theory it makes a lot of sense
I've been looking for something like this.
My respect hold up your weapon system or should I say the old roots
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Have no way as way, no limitation as limitation, No Style as Style Bruce Lee 🤙🏼
I like capoeira takedowns
Yo, I see your shirt. Are you in Texas? If so, once the whole COVID thing blows over, I’d like to learn a bit from you, or your school some day (I’m new hear and don’t know much about you yet XD). I live in Denton County, so it’d be a few hours drive for me, but that’s worth it for a bit of training in an interesting martial art.
Edit: I just looked at your channel more and I see you do weapons! Now I really want to head over. I have studied a little bit of Meyer, German Longsword and some European swordplay before. On top of that, I’ve learned a bit of Japanese weapons and a bit of eskrima. Cool thing about what I’ve learned is eakrima staff fighting is the same as European staff fighting and Japanese and Chinese staff fighting.
Hi Neighbor! Great content as always.
If I wanted a more Dancy muai thai... capauiora.
Articulate and informative. Subscriber earned
Capoeira probably the hardest thing ive ever experienced
great video. cant wait to see him get a tiger and a kingdom
Lol! Are you calling me Ezekiel?
@@DaMonStith at least as cool
It is my understanding that the moves and techniques in capoeira are based upon a situation where the person performing capoeira is bound in chains (wrists and ankles are chained up). Is this true?
If this is true, then what percent of capoeira is focused on techniques that take into consideration of a person who is chained?
No that's a common misconception. The deemphasis on the hands is probably to it's connection to the Ngolo dance that used the legs primarily. There was also a pre ritual called kandake that involved slap boxing but this was practiced by younger fighters
@@DaMonStith I see. Thanks for your prompt reply.
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I'd go straight for West African Wrestling. For example Laamb from Senegal 🇸🇳
I've done capoeira for 7 years. It has a good vibe, it's fun, acrobatic, fenomenal cardiovascular activity. I like it. People need to focus on what will they do with a martial art or fisical activity. If you want to axercise and have fun and in the mean while learn some fancy kicks,capoeira is the best there is😉. In the self defense part... Not very useful, you see capoeiristas use elbows and such (as much as a ciclyst or a chess player fighting for his life 🤣). Or you like the disciple and spiritual, you can squeeze capoeira here to... I think. There is no particular martial art for self defense. The person is the one ho makes the diference
I'm going to be honest. Capoeira is not a system I'm super familiar with, so if I am speaking from ignorance, please correct me, as I mean no offense, but am legitimately interested in your thoughts. I think Capoeira is culturally very interesting, and worthwhile as an art. It's very cool to watch and see demonstrated. However, while I consider it to be an art, I don't think I would consider it as a valid martial art. Not because the moves are impractical. Many arts have impractical moves and practical moves. I think the issue I have with it as a fighting system is it seems to fall into a lot of wishful thinking, without pressure testing, that has led to a lot of justification rather than application. There isn't a systematic approach to dealing with many of the high percentage threats a fighter can experience, but rather works from the defense of a specific type of fight that they hope that the opponent will present. If I'm wrong, no offense is intended. As I said, Capoeira is not an art I'm not nearly as familiar with compared to other arts
Its a martial art. Look at michael pereira, elizeu zaleski dos santos, Anderson silva has trained in the style aswell. Kicks are effective aswell
Thank you for this now dont give away to many secrets lol. I find it easier to beat people who dont believe in capoeira
Hahahaha! I always think this. Lmao. Sure, don't believe in it!
Good they saw my pall’s video.
When you say that the game aspect of Capoeira is trying to trap your opponent while avoiding his traps, would you say that's anything like chess? Like how some people describe Jiu-jitsu as physical chess.
following you and Dewey, but gota get into Seth's content....
Great video.
Capoeira regional took out all of the african spirituality in capoeira. You see this in the movie "Besouro" .
Vaiii capoeira!
Do you think capoeira is practical?
Capoeira is cool i just dont want to do it myself
What they don't understand is that capoeira is from pain and essence.It is guile Malicia and so much more.
Ramsey dewey aslo talks out his ass about styles he never studied. Seth is cool both are jus very misinformed
Don't assume, all it does is make an ass of u and me. You don't know what the man has and hasn't trained, who he has trained with. An he never stated he was well informed on the style in the conversation. Quit getting your panties in a bunch.
I also find it hilarious that you shit on RD but Praise Seth. When Seth does the same thing, nearly as much. Especially when he is collabing with Icy Mike.
ramsey was an actual fighter, he is very well studied and is a great coach. any study and research of capoeira will bring you to the same conclution RD and Seth had. including going to a capoeira school, they teach the same thing. and both ramsey and seth are humble enough to take this lesson. accusing some one of talking out there ass, while infact talking out your ass...
I saw Ramsey in a San Da match
I was not impressed ......No disrespect but maybe it was not a good fight for him
@@zephirol4638 jabroni i kno he was a fighter i just think he shouldnt say style isnt effective when its the martial artist
@@zephirol4638 i called him misinformed genius bit seth has videos of him trying other styles
I have slowly learned not to judge any MA style too quickly, especially if all I've seen is a very American, packaged, commodified version.
Tai Chi and Aikido ( or as one instructor joked "Aiki-don't") have also suffered from this, even tho there are practitioners in China and Japan who have developed and practice them as legit fighting styles. Yes, I know there are also many bullshido versions who claim to be legit but when tested fail miserably.
Most of the time it is not the art or the tradition that is lacking, but rather the way it is taught and practiced.
I definitely think folks get sidetracked in judging effectiveness of these arts. Many of them were absolutely historically used. And when people are trying to kill you you aren't just making up bullsh!t. You need something that works. Tbh I think what happens over time is that knowledge increases.
Karate guys could beat up dudes on the street in the US back in the day, but once guys got their timing and could handle the kicks, they would also whoop up ok some of these dudes. Had Karate suddenly become useless, was it always fake, or have it bumped into another martial culture that did something better? And in the case of African Americans fighting Karatw guys in the States. I think it just ran into superior boxing and a much more practiced more street. Less stylized way of fighting that could win some times. Today MMA says a Karate, or Taekwondo guy is going to need boxing. But the streets understood that in like the 70s.
So I think things evolve and have to address new issues. If they dont they become obsolete in the new context. So I agree its wise to not discount any art that actually came from real use. Even if the context has completely changed and made the art less of an immediately effective art in fighting and more a library of techniques, some useful today, some useful yesterday and others useful in specific cases based on who is being fought.
who doesn't like Ramsey Dewey from over here in Shangai China ?
I think a lot people respect Ramsey Dewey. This video isn't disrespecting anybody. It's about shedding light and offering a different perspective.
This was a interesting video , a good insight of the art
hmmmm, it kinda sounds like it took a part of fighter and kinda almost exagerrated it, the trapping and feinting and all that
This my problem with a lot of this stuff. The “Traditional Martial Arts”. You guys use words and phrases like, “for the battlefield”, “for war”, and then in the same conversation, “when your in the game, your trying to set your opponent up, to trap him.” When your “in the game”, “in the game”, etc...what part of killing someone do you think is a game? You say it was originally for the battlefield which would imply that it is a killing art, a system designed for war. Yet continually you and other “masters”, “Sifu’s”, “Guru’s” whatever your title is you want to use other terminology that implies, “ah, it’s just a game, we aren’t teaching anyone anything that could or should or is potentially violent.” I don’t get it. Is it for protecting yourself from someone trying to do you serious harm or is it a game?
There's alot to unpack in your question and I think that the way for me to do that is to do a live video and address some of the really good questions from this post. I will probably go later on this evening.
This was indeed informative, but not really entertaining...
You'd get knocked the fuck out against any decent kickboxer