The Miles Morales Problem (and how to fix it)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2024
- Marvel Comics has a Miles Morales problem. There seems to be people that think that Miles would be able to take over Peter Parker's place in comics and the culture at large, and all numbers show otherwise. Let's dive into why this is a bad idea, why Miles Morales isn't reaching his potential, and how to fix him.
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Miles Morales is an example on how ideology can ruin all potential. It would have been so easy to have Parker as the East Coast Spiderman in New York and Miles Morales as the West coast Spiderman in California.
Instead they made him the token version of any other character.
Agreed. The insistence on "there can only be one" by the people hoping he replaces Peter is the problem. Both being beloved characters would work far better in the long run, but we instead get another diversity hire
I’ve said elsewhere that Batman Beyond did everything Marvel keeps trying to do with Miles far better. I think you came up with reasonable means of trying to make him work tho, much as I do not like how Marvel keeps trying to force the issue. My issue with the insomniac version however is they keep shortchanging Peter to make Miles look better than he is, especially not helped when it’s a story that frankly doesn’t have anything to do with him.
Miles is a part of Peter's Community. He's a part of the people who are impacted by Peter's rampage in the black suit, and is in every sense of the world, Peter's Successor.
Peter's struggles have plenty to do with Miles, because It is central to Miles character that, unlike Peter, he is an active and constant support to the people around him.
The TL;DR on Across the Spider-Verse is that it's a big meta commentary against people who even have slight criticisms of Miles by using Miguel as their mouthpiece to spout what they believe the Miles haters say. Basically ATSV makes the bold and ridiculous claim that every Spider-Man in every media ever must follow specific "Canon Events" or else their universe will implode. Things like Uncle Ben's death are listed as fated events that cannot be prevented which obviously makes the entire point of his death pointless when nothing Peter could have done would have prevented it and if he did his universe would implode.
Miles is used to show how "Canon" in the eyes of the directors and writers is stupid and people who care about continuity are stupid obsessed psychos and Miles is the brave boy to be the first person to stand up against the evil canon to be his own Spider-Man (ignoring that plenty of Spider people across multiple canons have had their own distinct stories). It's an atrocious movie and actively does more damage to Miles by directly antagonizing anyone who has even slight criticisms of his character which just made more people resent Miles. It doesn't help that they actively dumb Peter B down in ATSV to make him look stupid while also giving him next to no screentime which does extra damage when the mentor/student relationship from ITSV was the best thing that movie had going for it and the sequel throws it out to try to make Miles look better.
Yeah, before that movie I enjoyed Miles and felt he was different enough to start with something. After that movie, it soured my view of him and if anyone writing him right now can make a good story with him as a good character.
It doesn’t even make sense in the context of the movie since Miles had his own Uncle Ben moment with his Uncle Aaron.
Yeah no it doesn't throw it all away if anything it's this kind of got under you guys skin and triggered you to the former you'd think this movie is bad now
@@vray7607 No offense too but that sounds super petty
@@kingj9664 bad writing can sour a view of a character, just look at the star wars sequels. Nothing petty about it.
I think miles is a good character and clearly he’s popular. Why not give him his own name and villains? he’s more than earned it. As much as fictional character can anyway.
No need to replace anyone. Let miles do his own thing.
Exactly. Not many people have an issue with Miles in and of himself, but when the OG Spider-man is still alive and well in the same space, the situation leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. I remember when a Spider-man clone by the name of Kaine moved to Houston to establish himself in a brand new city with his own cast and rogues gallery. That is the way Miles should go.
He does have his own villains, and he doesn't need to be called something other than Spider-Man. That's literally the point of the character. Spider-Man isn't a person, it's an ideal. Anyone can wear the mask.
@@redhoodie4111no spiderman is a person. It is Peter parker's alter ego where he gets to be the best.versik. Of himself miles is a just a copy .Miles isn't a differenr person underr the mask he is just another super hero
@@redhoodie4111 why does he need to be in spider man’s shadow? Surely he’s worth more than that?
Easier said than done. First, you have to know what Miles' character is comprised of. He can't quite do a perfect 1:1 to Peter Parker and, from what I've heard, this stems from lacking a specific family tragedy that compels his heroism. To be fair, that's fine--you don't need a reason to help people and Miles seems to embrace that. That's why I appreciate Barbara Gordon, Batgirl and Oracle alike, despite the implications that she might be a clueless liberal at times--she never witnessed anyone's deaths to realize that killing is bad or that heroism is necessary for society.
Second, someone has to conjure content that isn't parallel to Peter's plight, lest they seem redundant. Half the reason anybody objects to Miles is that he's a carbon copy with different ethnicity under the assumption that said ethnic group will identify more with the notion of there being a Spider-Man. This is not a fair assumption for any party and it foments more racism than it confronts. You still need at least a few characters who specifically begrudge Miles. More than being distinct, Miles needs some kind of superhero-based antagonism as it is sorely lacking.
Third, you need a consistent creative team who will prioritize actual storytelling above messaging. Considering the hiring practices, low margins of success, the perception of comic books being a springboard to Hollywood success, and the viciousness of freelancers who are addicted to outrage online, assembling some legitimate avengers who can turn back the tide and instill some humanity and wonder to Miles Morales appears to be a winning lottery ticket. But you can do it. Plus, it's worth trying to help everyone respect and love a character born from good intentions alone but only recently nurtured into something worth our attention.
And fourth, yes, expand rather than contract. Just because there are fewer hands on deck and most of them are damage cases doesn't mean you should get rid of whatever has continued to work.
Miles Morales would be fine if his fans weren't such shit and/or he was allowed to be his own character. I don't even mean in the 'stop calling him Spiderman' sense, I just mean give him his own roster of bad guys to beat up. So many of his "fans" insist that he has to fight the same villains as Peter Parker in order to be "Spiderman" but by doing this you will continually have him stuck in Peter's shadow.
It's not a bad idea for Spider-Man tof course by the mentor mentor him, and having one of Spider-Man's villains. As I start in one of them creates one of miles villains And then they can go from there
Rabble, The Assessor, Ultimatum, The Prowler, Multiple unique Brooklyn gangs.
Miles has more unique enemies at his age now than Nightwing did when he was the same age.
"Give Miles unique enemies," is an argument that comes out entirely too often, and falls entirely too short, because people are looking for the roster of a 60+yr tenured hero for a guy who's barely been around since 2011
The argument that Miles isn't allowed to be his own character is also ass, because Peter has never had to deal with anything remotely related to Brooklyn Visions, has never had a Ganke to share the struggles of being spider-man with at his age, and furthermore, had to solve a lot of his problems without relying on the help of his friends and family. Miles is a Community Hero, unlike Peter who's historically been an absolute Loner, getting booted from the Fantastic 4 & the Avengers during the same period of his life.
@@zacharybosley1935"The argument that Miles isn't allowed to be his own character is also ass"
Go talk to any Miles fan at all and they will tell you that he needs to fight and beat Peter's enemies. They refuse the idea that he needs to be differentiated from Peter in any way.
@@HalfTangible I talk to myself frequently enough to know that's untrue. Miles' struggles with the other new york villains are still unique by way of Miles having to solve the problem in ways Peter probably never had the opportunity to, like taking Electro out with a Venom Blast. But Miles tangles with his own rogues enough that I don't really need to throw random shit at the wall to see what makes him tick.
Furthermore, As has been stated to death, Miles needs to differentiate himself from Within the Spider-Man name, because that's part of his foundational conflict of dealing with Legacy, as opposed to dealing with Peter's foundational conflict with Responsibility.
@@zacharybosley1935 "I talk to myself frequently" isn't the own you think it is, my dude...
Every UltraMan and Super Sentai character has the same base name, using modifiers such as color or theme. If they wanted to stick with using one code name, Spider-Man(hattan) and Spider-Man Brooklyn would be possible alternatives that they could use for one another.
I mean, to be fair, Miles in the first Spiderverse movie did go through suffering. He did lose his uncle. And in the second film he’s scared of losing his family.
3:11 Now granted, I do think Miles should have his own codename because it can get confusing when two characters with the same name are in the same area and some people won’t always know which is which. I said why not call Miles Shadow Spider.
You explained this situation perfectly Micah.
Appreciate the compliment!
The problem is that they are so similar. Miles literally has the same origin story in the a Ultimate universe. 95% of the backlash would disappear if they just gave him a different name. Treating every "code name" as a mantle is silly. Some name sense like Green Lantern but for the most part calling the character something else is just easier. Whether it is Dr Doom rolling around as Infamous Iron Man or whatever... It was a dumb story from like 10 years ago. When Peter Parker became Sorcerer Supreme, he didn't call himself Dr Strange.
Captain America called himself the "Soldier Supreme," and more to the point, Peter Parker Sorcerer Supreme was not a story about living up to the ideal of the OG. Miles being Spider-Man is a dissertation on what it means to "be" Spider-Man, and going by Stinger, or Kid Arachnid, or some other derivative of the name is not forging a path within the confines of expectations.
It's not completely the same since miles didn't go on a field trip getting bit by a spider his uncle stole the Mars so he could sell in and they disescaped and bid him. I mean it would be cool for him to have his own name but honestly I didn't too many people make a big deal out of it if he wants to be called spider man to slim be called Spider man
I would legitimately love a video about the problems of Kyle Rayner in the future
They really should just give him another spider themed name.
I’m hispanic and I keep forgetting I’m
Supposed to relate to him it kind
Of makes me not like him because he is like : “we made this for you “ I’m like why I can’t just enjoy the one we have
Personally I think that particular discussion is silly, however... Phin doesn't really work in 1.5 on multiple levels, and Spiderman 2 has a story pacing problem of overusing Kraven and being afraid to have quiet moments. It feels like they should have had a prominent third villain alongside Kraven, and used Kraven a bit more sparingly.
I'd like Miles a lot more if he weren't so boring.
Spiderverse 1 did a good job of making me give a shit, but then Spiderverse 2 was too meta and up its own ass.
The insomniac games have actually made me like him less cuz of how much they try to shove him into the Symbiote Storyline.
Man that movie really hit close to home if you guys done in the that the one were triggered all you
@@kingj9664 you wanna go back and re-read your comment?
I felt like I was reading that one meme where the kid babbles for several minutes and says nothing.
@@DurtyDan I'm saying squire me to call you guys out and you didn't like it so you hated the movie
@@kingj9664 I just didn't like the movie, it's not that deep.
@@DurtyDan well that's sad but ok then
I think the biggest problem is that writers have no idea how to be effective in creating a new character. The comic book for Miles was a complete failure because they were trying to just make him Spider-Man instead of making him a unique and interesting character. I hen we get into the spider verse that takes Miles and absolutely makes people love him by giving him super interesting conflicts and backstory and personality. This is the same problem with literally every super hero . Create something new instead of rehashing the same old crap. How many times do we have to see a retelling of Batman’s origin… I wanna see a movie where he fights clay face and black canary.
The way to have done Miles Morales was to make him an original character, with an original backstory, personality, and powers. In other words don’t make him a derivative of Spiderman. But at present, the best way to deal with him is to wipe him out of existence.
Basically, treat him like Scrappy Doo.
@@1992holycrap But I like Scrappy.
@@KingNazaru WB evidently doesn't...
@@1992holycrap So I can well believe.
If somebody were to die in the carnsge story, id say it should be between genkie and hailey. Also, miles need his own original villains
From what I've researched, Miles *does* have about seven original, non-Peter-Parker-affiliated villains to his name... it's just that Marvel doesn't really use them beyond their blink-and-you'll-miss-it debut, because they suck.
Also, one of those villains has the additional awkwardness of being Miles' 616 Universe counterpart & Marvel probably doesn't want to remind anyone that Miles doesn't actually belong in the 616 Universe.
Quite honestly the way you describe "how to fix miles" is very interesting and pretty much what anybody with common sense would say. although i don't think Eric July would care for how much he hates the character. XD
@@deedoubsyou about Rippa or Micah?
Maybe you shouldn't have had hentai in another tab and actually paid attention to what was said, or realize that I was throwing out several ideas, not just the idea of a new Hobgoblin. @deeboubs
I don’t know Miles much at all, but from the outside it looks a little like Bruce Wayne and Terry McGinnis’ dynamic.
The problem isn't Miles Morales being *A* Spider-Man. The problem is that certain individuals and/or groups with less-than-noble intentions keep relentlessly trying to push Miles Morales as *THE* Spider-Man.
Also, your observations about Insomniac!Miles haven't exactly aged well in the aftermath of SM2...
Am I a big and i think Insomniac miles is all right
Hey Micah, off topic of this video, but why do you think Kyle Raynor suck?
Want your characters to be interesting, simple…make their life a living hell
10:49 that includes Marvel and the creator of Miles
Micah's fixing to be efapped by both group A & B. But I don't think he cares. 🏍️ Carry on into that Sunset Micah. Don't give a rip what the haters say.
What about the whole carnage reigns issue Or does that not count
I'm probably alone on this one. But this is just my little far fetched theory. Miles Morales is a insult to Spawn, and was sold as a tribute to Obama. Todd McFarlane launched his career with Spiderman, then made Image Comics with his Flagship Character Spawn. A character that looks like a Black Spiderman, but is unique and stands on his own by leaps and bounds.
Looking at Al Simons Spawn and comparing him to Miles Morales. It's like we came full circle on pettiness. I would chalk it up to ideology, but what seems more reasonable. America being ready for or needing a already existing black Spiderman. Or, someone at Marvel with an axe to grind against Todd McFarlane. Because none of the selling points of Miles Morales stick because Al Simmons already exist and has been doing it better for almost 20 years before Miles.
If you ever run into anyone who really likes or hates Miles. Just say "Spawn would beat his ass." And you won't even get questioned in the slightest. You won't get called racist, or toxic, or any of the insults that come with the Miles Morales debate. It like the entire conversation gets shut down.
You're assuming the Miles Morales simps would even know who Spawn is...
No multiple spider men is not logical, when there's an entire city wide if not national slander campaign running at all times calling Spider-Man a monster. You wouldn't adopt a name half the city hates. You'd make a new one.
He should have just been a different character. Not spare spider-man.
Give him his own name
I would rather see a Peni Parker spin-off.
Miles is better as a villain a depowered villain like in 616 IMO.
That's stupid how is he better as a villain and what stories has he shown some type of villainous personality this call me usually makes sense when it was with riri Williams @genesys6167
@@kingj9664 look at his 616 counterpart ultimatum. It's not that stupid. It was pretty well written.
@@genesys6167 OK dentist's evil counterpart not the miles
@@kingj9664 wtf? Why are you calling him a dentist?
@@genesys6167 Sorry text of speech messed me up. Basically what I'm trying to say is just because there's an evil variant of miles doesn't mean miles altogether should be a villain
I think the movies do him the best justice. He is his own character in his own space with his own issues.
Wow did not think I would hear someone speak positively about the movie in this channel since they seem to hate the first and second one @Kodiie
Any hope for the games died with this second one, it was outright bad and Insomniac has confirmed it's only getting worst.
I agree with you that miles is boring and he definitely was created just to have a black character which is a fact. Your take on the spider verse movies is incredibly stupid I'm glad you don't act like your opinion is factual but they are definitely not what you're thinking of they are the complete opposite of what the original character is and I do agree that characters do need to go through suffering to grow and I agree completely but you need to get off the train of making them suffer an extensive amount that's how you get things like the Zeb Wells asm run there's a balance you need. I agree with the way you want to change his personality in the comics that is something I completely agree on
Miles is clearly Wolverine.
And apparently Captain America, the Hulk, & Thor.
However, the one thing he's clearly *NOT* allowed to be by Marvel, is himself.
But I liked Hailey Cooper…
Ah. A conisuer of the art of Pro Wrestling I take it?
Are you sure you have played spider man 2. If I remember correctly, Miles doesn't have any kind of suffering in that second game
Nice video by the way
Not only that, but the game goes out of it's way to undermine Peter in pretty much every way you could imagine outside of actually killing him and/or having Miles steal MJ from him(& with a face like hers, why would he?). Peter's powers, intelligence, experience, & general capabilities as Spider-Man are virtually non-existent to the point where he constantly needs to be rescued by Miles and/or MJ and/or Harry; whereas Miles makes virtually zero mistakes, is constantly getting more power-ups, gets rescued by anyone other than himself a grand total of *ZERO* times throughout the entire game, & is generally presented by the narrative as the objectively superior Spider-Man between him & Peter(even though he really shouldn't be).
Hell, after getting the Anti-Venom suit(which the game nerfs into being completely irrelevant), Peter even outright tells Miles "Why would the city ever need me... when it has you?" Even Miles' claim that it's "still a two Spider-Man job" rings pretty hollow considering everything that happens in the game before & after that scene, especially in light of the lead writer's claim that Miles will be the games' "main Spider-Man" going forward...
@@1992holycrap The game in the state that it is right now because of Imsoniac let Sweet Baby inc took a dump on their game. This game really kill my hype for the spider man game franchise going forward.
You should have watched across the spider-verse before making this video.
Maybe, but I hate the bullshit they do with frame rates in those movies. Only thing on earth that gives me motion sickness.
Lol, it's not a "weird one". Listen very, very carefully friend; Miles IS in fact Spider-Man, period, full stop. This is absolutely not a point of contention or controversy. The character, much like his predecessor Peter Parker, is not a fan fiction creation, but a copyrighted Marvel property. Therefore, anyone who denies the undeniable reality that Miles Morales is Spider-Man (be it out of spite, emotion, or ignorance) is simply denying fact, and facts, unfortunately, don't care about your feelings.
I can't listen to text, dude. Also, why did you leave a comment like you're cosplaying a bad GI Joe villain?
@@BigMicahC Miles is Spider-Man. If you deny this, you deny fact, and facts don't care about your feelings.
He's one of several.
Also, since you're not doing well with being on the spectrum, I'd suggest trying out therapy. Head over to autismspeaks dot org to find the help you need, buddy. Hope things get better for you.
@@BigMicahC He's one of several, as is Peter. Yes, this is factual. One of several, and now the primary Spider-Man in Insomniac's game universe, thank God. You appear to be teachable, and this gives me hope.