The Problem With Spider-Man: Miles Morales
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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Spider-Man: Miles Morales just isn't the PlayStation game I was hoping for. The gameplay is greatm but the story of The Tinkerer and Simon Krieger just doesn't match the high bar set by Peter Parker and Doc Ock in the 2018 video game. In this video, I dig into my problems with it, but also praise what the game got right.
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If my intentions for getting it are gameplay and story, would it be a good buy? Does it have strong reply value?
People played the game and it made them feel like an Exaggerated swagger of a black teen
@Slipstreamz Bruh the Gameplay and Web-Swinging of Spider-Man Ps4 is supposed to be a Very Realistic Spider-Man game. I like Web of Shadows, but the Web-Swinging and Combat in Web of Shadows look Cartoony and a bit Unrealistic tbh imo...
@A . B Shah Bro. Insomniac before stated that they wanted to make the people who will play the game make you truly feel like Spider-Man. They wanted to make the Best Spider-Man experience in the Spider-Man Video game era. Meaning that they wanted to make a Realistic Spider-Man game to make players feel like they're playing the character, like they're the character. And they did, Insomniac did Incredibly amazing at the Web-Swinging, and the Combat especially the Story imo. Heck, it even was considered the Best Spider-Man game/Best Marvel game along with Marvel Ultimate Alliance.
Web Of Shadows had the Fastest Web Swinging and had Leapy Cartoonish Combat. But I still liked the game as a whole...
@The Zoom Bro. Are you using multiple accounts like Slipstreamz and A . B Shah? You guys clearly have the Some same videos.
My biggest issues:
1. Phin's death was unearned and cheesy. She was perfectly willing to kill her best friend then just 180-ed. Her redemption wasn't earned at all, she should have died a villain.
2. Pete's face.
She would have if she were a white man perhaps. But minorities are only victims of circumstance who usually turn to villainy only because of what a white man has done to them.
She should've either died a villain or went to prison a villain.
@@BruvahSulaiman Otto was fine after the end of the first game.
@@BruvahSulaiman
“My motto is simple. If you do not succeed in life, I don’t want you to blame your parents! I don’t want you to blame the white man! I want you to blame yourself! The responsibility is yours!”. I guess Joe Clark’s words doesn’t have a meaning anymore and now everyone has to pull a “victim card”, huh?
Phin. is the biggest, nuff said.
3 years later and everyone got used to the face, most even prefer it now. We finally won!
The biggest difference I felt between Peter and Miles had to be their responsibilities as Spiderman. Miles feels like he really only watches for crime in a certain radius while Peter had all of NYC on his shoulders.
@@CaptainCoolzCT- they just put a logo. none of that blm is a part of the story. We only sees the logo for 5 sec
@@CaptainCoolzCT- you're pathetic. They only have a painting and you people freak out smh. But I'm glad it sold extremely well without you
That’s accurate tho. Miles is Brooklyn’s Spider-Man while Peter is all of New York’s.
@@introduction1266 it was alright, I liked miles though.
@@Mrsplifferdoodle you're opinion. I absolutely loved it.
I'll tell you where the game fails when you fix this damn door
😂 good one
Hahaha look at little goblin Jr. You gonna cry?
He’s a good kid 😂😂
@@fookvisuals I'ma put some dirt in your eye☻
RENT?
Cap has an almost exaggerated swagger that you can only truly appreciate at midnight
😂😂😂😂 nice one
That's gonna haunt that man and site till he dies.
@Star Killer yeah you're extremely wrong with that one bud
@Star Killer Top 10 reasons why miles morales is BLM Propaganda
1. He’s black
2. There’s a BLM shrine in Harlem and it’s in the game. Wow that’s sooo unrealistic
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Thank you. This has been my ted talk.
@@renamamiya5997 Nailed it 😂
Comments: *EXAGGERATED SWAGGER OF A BLACK TEEN*
What does it actually mean
@@olivertimms3994
I think it's a cosmonaut reference if that's your question. I don't actually know what the phrase means though
@@olivertimms3994 gamespot did a review of the game and the narrator refers to the web-swinging tricks similar to the “exaggerated swagger of a black teen”
@@dupersuper6516 ty 4 the help man 👍🏻
@@sabianrios3747 thx 4 ur input bro 👍🏻
Idk I liked how this game's story wasn't so much about Miles "becoming Spider-Man" like in Spider-Verse, but developing his own identity as a Spider-Man. If anything, doing all those missions around Harlem and helping its residents let you build a specific bond with the community that made the stakes of Phin and Krieger's plan far more intimate than Otto unleashing a giant virus on NYC in the first game. Then again in the COVID-era, that storyline might be timelier for Manhattan than it was two years ago.
I agree
@Star Killer lol... trump still lost bro...
@Star Killer Having a good character that just so happens to be African-American/Hispanic isn’t ‘propaganda’ lmao get your head out of your ass.
@Star Killer Also your five comments on this video show how desperate you are for attention
Yeah. The ending is a lot more satisfying after completing the Harlem crime wave side missions.
So basically:
Miles: Peter
Phin: Otto
Krieger: Osborn
Rhino: Rhino
Hotel? Trivago.
Rhino is king pin
@@stevenbobbybills stop
Nice
swagger:exaggerated
Phin was really weak bc she’s essentially only mad at Miles bc he “lied” to her twice and wouldn’t listen to anything he had to say after that. (And each time was kind of necessary in the grand scheme of things.) In the first game we slowly but surely see Doc Oc become more mad and power hungry to the time it works. We also see his anger manifest over Oscorp more and more. He’s a tragic story. With Phin, she’s really just being a stubborn hypocrite who won’t listen. Her character doesn’t work at all.
To me it felt like phin was went to be what miles could have become if he didn't have Peter help him in the first game and to show Miles that you can't save everyone even with powers. In other words even though I thought her death is handled very well she was more of a plot device
Phin was never really bad, her plan was to destroy roxxon plaza during a holiday so there wouldnt be causalities. Her plan only went awry because kreiger messed with the nuform and destabilized it. Doc ock released a bunch of supervillains to act as a distraction and released the devil breath with the full intent of killing a city full of people to blame Osbourne for it.
Phin was misguided but doesnt have a similar arc because she was never really villainous. Doc ock's story is his supervillain origin story.
Mog Wi The comparison wasn’t good vs bad. The arcs are still similar bc we’re supposed to see how 2 once good people close to Peter/Miles discend into being questionable at best and evil villains at worst. Also, we are led to believe that she’s really bad. The game does nothing but portray her as bad up until the very end when she sees what she caused. It’s just not believable bc of the way she’s characterized. There’s no way a person as smart as her would think that blowing up an entire complex in Manhattan wouldn’t cause collateral damage and lives unless said person is so consumed by revenge to the point they didn’t care.... because they’re really bad. Which she didn’t.
You are forgetting the fact that you are comparing a teen to a grown man. Second, her brother was murdered right in front of her eyes. From the pain of lost and suffering can make you think irrationally.
And no, the game does not betray her as just bad. She was actually willing to work with Miles until Rhino got into her head.
@@deucezulu_22 A teen to a grown man. A teen who runs an underground crime syndicate and commits crimes against the city and innocent civilians. But yeah, sure, just a teen. Second, another moot point. Just bc you can apply logic to her character doesn’t mean that she’s not underwritten.
And yeah, the game does portray her as bad. She was willing to work with Miles one instant and then threatened to kill him seconds later, all bc of Rhino. Miles didn’t even get the chance to defend himself at all. She just kept shooting him down. All to magically have this aha moment at the end of the game. That’s bad character development.
"Spider-Sense says this cake isn't for eating, it's for THROWING!"
I was listening to that while reading this
@@JillSandwich160 Ha, perfect timing. When I first seen that I was like "Oh yeah, I have to immortalize this in the comments."
How could this possibly be seen as bad? Miles has all the exaggerated swagger of a black teen
@The Amazing Spidey-Frizz The reviewer was black
@The Amazing Spidey-Frizz not racism or anything. It was just cringe. No one is offended.
@The Amazing Spidey-Frizz ahh yes, a black person saying that the game has an accurate black character is racist since the topic is about a balck person
@The Amazing Spidey-Frizz like you're*
@@Trathien- Accurate as in exagerrated swagger?
The charges on Krieger were based on the files on newform in his office Miles found before their final fight with Rhino. I never saw Krieger as a deep, true villian, just more of a frame that surrounded the true issue with Phin and her brother. Yeah he's a by the books, money hungry CEO Disney villain, but I think that's all he needed to be for this game. It's a smaller game with a smaller story, not all of New York was in danger. Mainly Harlem. Yeah, they could've shown more with the relationship between Phin and Miles to make us care a little more, and I see the similarities between Otto and Phin but I think that's the point in a way. Miles and Peter are gonna come across similar situations but deal with them in their own ways as Spider-Man. I think this is a pretty good intro into this version of Miles. It's also Miles's first big adventure on his own without Peter. It didn't need to be an "Avengers level threat" like the last game. The small side missions that show off the character of Harlem and its residents try to make it so you care about the people of the neighborhood when Harlem is threatened. I loved the game, it does lag on the ps4 cause the system just can't handle the loading. But that didn't take away from my overall enjoyment as a whole. I give it a solid 7/10. Good start for Miles, good improvements on the mechanics of the original game, looking forward to more.
This needs more likes
I agree with you 100% even small things like some Harlem residents know miles identity and how he’s so involved in a smaller community really makes him feel genuine.
yeah, all it needed was to be longer so they could flesh out more relationships in the game so you can be invested
Sold point. Captain Midnight definitely didn't understand this story's game. I'd personally give it a 8/10
@@jollyd.joestar3937 The length was fine as far as fleshing out the main relationships. Movies are only around 2 hours and can flesh out relationships just fine.
The only thing that's funny to me about Phin is how she was completely able to be as athletic as Spider-Man and keeping up with him even though she's technologically enhanced. To the extent that's she able to keep up with Miles amazed me
In the chase scene when miles says
"how is she not tired yet"I was thinking the exact same thing 😂
Same with how did Otto take numerous hits from super strength Spider-man when he's maybe never taken a punch before in his life.
@@han090 I think that's cause Peter didn't really want to hurt him, so he pulled his punches even more than he usually does, also buy the time he really wanted to hurt otto he was way to tired and injured to really hurt as much as he could
@@han090 Peter holds back a lot. In Superior Spider-Man, Otto took over Peter's body; When he attempted to knock Scorpion out, he punched to hard and knocked his jaw off. Otto then realized, Peter could've killed them all if he wanted to.
You should also watch my Miles Morales review if you have the exaggerated swagger of a black teen broh
@@boxtupos7718 don’t forget that otto’s arms are way more powerful than phin’s tech. One arm and peter couldn’t stop it from piercing through his body
Where I live we call him Kilometres Morales
Where I'm from we call him Miles Molasses
Good 0ne
I needed this comment today.
Where I come from we call him black spiderman
(Not to be rascist but to be homurois
@@jayakrishnankizhakedath8088 its not racist cause he is black spider-man
People have a problem with this game because it makes you feel like an *Exaggerated swagger of a black teen..*
*EXAGGERATED SWAGGER OF A BLACK TEEN* INTENSIFIES
@Star Killer hah BLM propaganda
@Star Killer where?
@Star Killer propaganda..... learn wtf that means dude before saying it out loud without knowing what it means... cuz for your information this is not propaganda propaganda is misleading people.... so your wrong :)
Lmaoooo. Meanwhile, in Brazil, a game journo said Miles' appearance was inspired by Obama
Ah yes. A man with spider powers crawling on the walls? Okay. A billionaire actually getting arrested for their crimes? *Truly a fantasy.* /j
this but unironically
did you guys not play the game?
"Those were deepfakes!" obviously Prowler had video evidence hence why Krieger goes to jail in the first place.
A world of fiction still needs to be believable
Yes
Why is this hard for you people to understand. It took peter literally his whole career up until the start of spiderman ps4 to put kingpin away for good. Now kreiger isn't as smart or coniving as fisk, sure, but he's still a fucking evil billionaire in the marvel universe, he should have plans ON plans
@@kermanbizzlebop8895 he's not the top ceo in the company. Obviously if he was i would agree but he is just head of research and development. Something @captainmidnight failed to comprehend
Can we appreciate that Miles is having a great track record? Dude have his OWN movie with a sequel soon and his OWN game. The comics are getting good with him!
he’s an awesome character
@@magneto44 I think he’s become a better character because of ITSV and this game.
I think Marvel is using him much, what about the others Spideys like 2099, Agent Venom, Skarlet Spider, Noir, Spiderwoman(Jessica Drew), Silk, Cosmic Spiderman, etc...
They are almost forgotten
@Bro9650 I don't understand why he is important at all
@Bro9650 What about Spiderman 2099?
I’ve theorised that this entire plot is set up so Miles can keep Peter level-headed when he finds out Harry is Venom. “I went through the same thing with Phin” kinda stuff.
Didn't Peter have the same exact thing with Otto? A familial friend that became a super villain but the main difference was Peter didn't have to unmask on the confrontation when the villain's identity was shown because Otto already knew about Peter while Phin didn't really know about Miles?
@@pines3326 that's most spider villains lol
That’s smart and reminds me a bit of Troyo boyo’s video
@@pines3326 ye but it’ll be different with Harry. They’re like brothers
@@ALCATRAZx29 So are Miles and Phin? They had a sibling-like relationship and were estranged for quite some time until they met again in the game
I don’t think captain captain midnight could handle the exaggerated swagger of a black teen.
In my opinion, the Tinkerer should have been replaced with the villain/antihero CARDIAC. The character of Phin could essentially stay the same but her vigilante name should have been Cardiac to reflect that comic book character instead. Cardiac's whole motivation is being ant-corporation after having faced personal family tragedy at the hands of corporations and he has a really sweet design that would have translated well (plus the name Tinkerer is... silly). I think that this would have been a better use of re-theming a comic book character to fit thematically much better than the use of Tinkerer. Especially since Cardiac fills the role of an Spider-Man antihero in the comics already as opposed to a straight-up villain like the Tinkerer
or you could have created a brand new villain tbh, one of miles biggest problems is he barely has any villains of his own, if any at all, they're all rehashed spider-man villains,
Cardiac's H.E.A.R.T clinic is in the game too. So that technically makes him canon to the universe.
@@BeyondAnimation I don't think it's a problem with Mile's, just a point of improvement
OR...just have Prowler be the antagonist.
The problem with Pete's new face is not the face itself, but how differently portraits the most emotional scenes of the first game. The scene you were talking about Pete's emotions regarding Doc's betrayal is one such example.
My biggest issue with the story is how much it asks me to suspend my disbelief with Phin. After she finds out Miles is Spider-Man, Miles spends the rest of the campaign begging her not to blow up the building and despite all logic and reason, she dismisses every attempt. To make matters worse, in the 3rd Act when Miles tries to warn her of the explosion she refuses to even hear it. And when she does finally hear it, she once again dismisses it. And *THEN* at the very end they really expect me to care when she detonates the building and just then realizes she made a mistake.
Phin is a decent character, but an absolutely terrible villain.
But I guess that's because she was lost in her pain. That's not really suspensiom of disbelief it's the feeling that you'll do anything for revenge before finally realizing how much you lose in the process.
@@darrienjones8917 The problem is I never once actually bought her being blinded by revenge. That was clearly the goal but they failed to deliver that with the writing of her character. So the game is asking me to set aside the fact that she's poorly written in order to tell her story.
@@cfighter95 Exactly this. She’s not believable at all, which is key to what they were trying to do with her character.
9:05 Aaron probably had physical evidence to back it up. He did say he’s been with Roxxon before and he later confirmed that he’s “seen things”. It’s not confirmed how, but i’m sure Aaron had a piece of evidence or two on Roxxon
Maybe since he's a master thief he was able to sneak into Roxxon and get the evidence he needed
Anyone else can't stop thinking of Jimmy Fallon when Simon Krieger was on screen?
Nah he reminded me of Spider-Man 3 Topher Grace
@@AtracBreezy holy shit I'm not the only one
Cuz he was played by troy baker
I just thought of Rhys from tales from the borderlands.
I thought of an introverted version of Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor. I love Troy, but...
@@AtracBreezy Bruh same. I told that to my brother and he was like “Bet they’re making him like Topher Grace cuz he’s gonna be Venom” seems kinda far fetched to me
I love the originality of this comment section
I love the exaggerated swagger of this comment section you mean (yes I know I'm unfunny)
this is the most authentic comment here
I felt like an exaggerated swagger of a black teen
I mean it is about a black teen so what did you expect?
you missed...
@@BigBreadBoi bruh...
@@acxe212 what?
@@BigBreadBoi yoooooooooooooooooooooooo what up
Honestly, time could have done this story a lot of justice. Phin's reveal was done WAY too early, Uncle Aron came in WAY too early, things get out of hand WAY too early, just a whole lot of issues with the pacing.
For example, the first spiderman took me a few weeks to actually beat the story. I beat Miles Morales the day of release on pc.
The game just needed time.
I dunno man, I feel like we can’t criticize the plot for being too similar to the first game’s and then blame it for not pulling off the same things that game did. I thought it was a fantastic game, I think Phin worked very well because she is very specifically not Miles’ old friend anymore, she’s as new to him as she is to us even if he doesn’t realize it at first. I don’t think there’s any problem with “what you see is what you get”. True, billionaire corporate CEOs don’t usually get arrested, and a criminals word definitely wouldn’t be enough (though I believe he submitted significant evidence of their work together). It IS actually quite realistic that a company like Roxxon keeps operating exactly as it was and just simply disavows a man like him as someone who abused his position, thereby making themselves look like the good guys and him as a rogue element. Anyway, I thought the game was brilliant, but I respect your feelings on it.
Agreed. My favorite Phin line was the half-sob line “I’m sorry.” Because we know that she never intended to hurt Harlem, or to hurt Miles, or anything. And she did it all for a close friend of hers. I think that Phin is a brilliant character and is way different from Otto in that (A: She’s Mile’s peer, not his boss/mentor. (B: She doesn’t go crazy, and is doing what she’s doing as a revenge plot, and only partly because she hates Kreiger. And of course, (C: At the end of the day, she chose to be a hero.
@@master0fthearts894 Yeah...now that I think about it, the tragedy of Doctor Octopus is that he was doomed to become a villain, but the tragedy of Phin is that she could have made a truly great hero.
@@adammyers7383 Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Octopus the Wise?
Darth Phin to Jedi Miles Morales, 2,020 years ago, in a galaxy far, far away.....
@@master0fthearts894 i think they are similar to show how Miles deals with that sitation differently. Plus Otto is Peter's partner, it feels less of a boss/mentor relationship but more of an admirer relationship the same with Miles he admires Phin.
@@jollyd.joestar3937 Yeah, I didn’t literally mean “Mentor/Boss.” I was just using a close approximation to Admirer. But the point I’m trying to make is: Peter was inspired by Otto, and Peter wanted to be like him. Or wanted to have some elements that he has. (Being a smart scientist, doing the right thing, being able to handle responsibility without it crumbling in you, etc.) I, however, don’t think that Miles “Admired’ Phin. I think he really respected Phin, and really appreciated her in his life, but I think it was more of a peer relationship rather than a role-model or admire-like relationship. Plus, Phin (As discussed earlier with Ada, Myers) is different from Otto in the sense that she doesn’t go insane, doesn’t become dependent on her creation, (Otto was obsessed with his arms. Phin only saw her tech as a tool) and Phin is way younger and has more motor control over her functions. (And in the end Phin was a hero. Although that was discussed earlier) Everyone absorbs art differently, I just think that the relationship between Miles and Phin are way too different to be called “Someone reacting to the same situation that someone else went through, but different since the person is different from the other person.”
It's even interesting to see that, in the first game, the relationship between Peter and MJ is also way ahead in its development, having also an off-screen distancing between the two. But where that relationship is way more engraved in the "audience" and we can fill in the blanks more easily, this is an almost entirely new relationship that we know nothing about, being even more difficult to empathise with any of it.
I mean he’s only been doing this for a year. I don’t see how much depth you can do with that.
@@landendrake1696 What I was trying to imply is that, where the characters of Peter and MJ are more engraved into the mainstream, the characters of Miles and Phin are not as well known, and so the game has more difficulty in making us care about them.
@@EduardoAntunes I mean its the first introduction of the characters appearance in a video, if u ever read the comics, miles never had a bigger villain except for roxxon and The ULTIMATE Green Globin.
So not everything that's short has to be something bigger all the time.
@@spideyguy3315 Exactly, that's what I'm saying. I'm not complaining about what they did with the game, but that their work would always be harder. Because they're approaching basically unknown characters to the general audience, contrary to the characters in the previous game. It would always be difficult for us to empathise to these characters the same way we did with Peter and MJ, because those are already known before the game.
@@EduardoAntunes Yeah exactly,but hopefully in the future comic's and game, miles will have his own villains that could even be more popular than Peter's someday.
My biggest problem with the game is that feels less like a fully fledged title and more like an extra large DLC package.
They kinda let that be known before the game even launched..
The exadurated swagger of a black teen
The Gaming journalist who said that should get fired
@@Spidey_Battleedits imagine saying he should get fired, its funny, laugh and move on dude
Cosmonaut I see....
@@Spidey_Battleedits hes black
cosmonaut has a very exaggerated unswagger.
The thing is Phin had an actual real reason to kill Simon Krieger, and Doc ock only wanted to kill Norman because he stole his idea and took credit for it. And Simon getting arrested is the same as Kingpin getting arrested
Anyone would be angry if someone took their idea and took full credit for it. What didn't help Doc Ock was the mechanical arms messing with his brain. Phin had other ways to take down Krieger. And she thought the best method was destroying a block of the city? And didn't listen to Miles when he warned her of the Nuform? Her entire motivation was dumb and so was she. All that tech and she couldn't sneak into Roxxon to get the evidence to take down Krieger?
@@CMan-x7k Phin didn’t realistically have other ways to defeat Krieger if you think about it. If she didn’t join the underground she probably would have been hunted down because they know her face. Yes she didn’t listen to Miles but Doc ock didn’t listen to Peter before his brain got fully messed up. And Miles told her about the newform after she found out he lied to her multiple times. Oh yeah and Simon Krieger took credit for Ricks idea and he didn’t build some mechanical arms to kill him
@@NarutoUzumaki-uj3xw “doc oc didn’t listen to Pete before his mind got fully ruined” that’s not true, the arms shifting his mood happened at the very beginning at the same cutscene where he used them for the first time, his tone was a bit different and once shouted at peter. That’s not him
@@redbool1115 I mean he didn’t because Pete told him not to do it by himself but he did anyways
Soz for putting your name there not at the front RUclips is getting messed up
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I just started this review, but I've gotta stop here and say this: I got bored with the story, twists were super easy to see coming, it was super simple. What I DID like however, was the changes to combat. It was more fun for me to be able to take down to or three guys, then go back into hiding for a minute. Venom also made the combat flow a bit differently for me, which I LOVED. I also used the Spiderverse costume at least 80% of the time I played.
The thing that bothers me most about this game, is the continuity. There's buildings in Miles Morales that never existed in the 2018 game. Like the Oscorp Science Center. And Miles' apartment doesn't exist in the 2018 game. Also, not to mention that there's sections of the streets that don't exist in the previous game as well. It bothers me a lot.
Right, thought I was the only one who noticed this. They say its the same map pttf.
Oh and roxxon plaza.
My problem with the game is the price. And the villains where M E H.
Prowler was okeish.
It’s only $50 wdym
@@ryanleadbitter7749
It's a glorified expansion.
@@ryanleadbitter7749 $50 for roughly 10 hours of content is $5 an hour. And that may sound good, but there’s games that deliver a hundred hours of content for the same price. But tbh, if money is really an issue people should just wait for a sale
I don’t really have a problem with it. This game is about 5 dollars an hour and the old game is about 4.
@@semidecent4395 There’s also games that give a lot less for $60
i definitely got sick of Phin saying she was going to kill Miles and other people like over and over, she aint gonna kill nobody
I feel like midnight rushed through the story and did everything else after
It wasn’t that good
@@Dwyer-nl9fz kinda was, story is arguably better than the first game
@@kidCashOnline gameplay wise sure. But the story nah not even close.
@@kidCashOnline It's less repeditive
No he has good points, the story is bad
I didn’t even realize all the similarities between doc Ock and Phin lmao
*Spoilers*
I think that if the reveal of the Tinkerer came halfway through the story after we spend many hours working with Phin, it would have been far more impactful. We got introduced to Phin and then an hour later, she's the Tinkerer. If we'd seen her relationship with Miles more thoroughly, then she would have been a far better villain.
Agreed the game needed to be longer and better paced
@@xaviorbufkin7250 it wasn’t meant to be a long game insomniac have said that this is a spin off now a full sequel
From the time i saw Phin, I knew she was the thinkerer, it was so obviously it hurt
Nah man. That would have been annoying. The moment she showed up I knew she was the tinkerer. The fact that her name is "phin mason" which is almost identical to the name of the original tinkerer from the comics "phineas mason" didnt really help much. I was worried I would have to play half the game just to get to the big twist that she was the villain. Having miles find out early on and having him have to deal with that knowledge and wrestle with what to do made the story more engaging for me. If they had waited to reveal that she was the tinkerer until halfway through the game I would not have enjoyed it nearly as much as I did. I came to care about phin by doing things like the time capsule missions and the mission where you infiltrate the underground. What would have made things better in my opinion would have been having a few more flashbacks that you get to play through or just some cutscenes of them in high school. The biggest flashback is saved for the last mission and it kind if feels forced. The Problem isnt WHEN we find out that pin is the tinkerer. The problem is how much of their old relationship we see throughout the game and how much we have to infer.
@@j4studiosx474 I don’t mean like a ton more longer but the game needed more time for the main story. Like the bridge mission is the perfect example of why the game needed to be longer.
Spider-Verse is unmatched as the best Miles Interpretation
nah this is one is the coolest imo
@@Ziaotic nope spider-verse is still the best
People be saying they know miles morales but they only watched spider verse
@@j4studiosx474 because miles from the comics suck
@@Dwyer-nl9fz ok how would you know if you haven’t read them
Did you not see the exaggerated swagger of a black teen?
Gamespot has become IGN
It was so obvious. This game is just full of *the exaggerated swagger of a black teen*
He’s not just black fuck stop calling him the black Spider-Man he’s Puerto Rican he’s not even black in this game his skin is like a light brown
@@toren2099 r/woosh
@@joshheralal8758 you don’t understand. Even though it’s a joke, it’s beginning to be f@ckin annoying.
It’s kind of hard to compete with Peter’s rogues gallery. Anyone short of Batman really can’t compete. I think that’s where the story suffers and they lean into Miles’ personal relationships to the villains that they don’t give enough time to flesh out.
You're completely right. The rogues gallery of both batman and spiderman are of amazing quality I thoroughly enjoy each one
I bought into Phin’s friendship, but that only presented a bigger storytelling problem: her motivation and level of high extremism that don’t match up to the grounded character and bond we’re shown. Miles himself says Rick wouldn’t like her like this, and it just doesn’t add up, she would’ve gone to Miles/Rio after Rick’s death, not the Underground and be someone that was secretly raised by Magneto offscreen or something . That was the biggest storytelling problem above all else, never mind how hard it is to buy into her being a super genius that can create anything with programmable matter, the likes of which upstage even Tony Stark. It was very obvious that the writing and the team overall was the B team while the A team are working on the big sequel; all they managed to improve on was the quality/integration of side quests/activities into the themes/story of the main game, as well as the levels being integrated into the open world and improved combat, all things that were expected as a follow-up to 2018’s foundation.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the main story and characters are basically a copy of the original game. Still was fun though, just not what I expected
Did Miles have an evil mentor? No, Did Miles had beef with Roxxon who also had Cloak and Dagger capture in the comics? Yeah.
Did miles had any new villains in the comics?No not really except for Prowler and Roxxon.
@@spideyguy3315 Example of being willingfully ignorant.
I really enjoyed it, and didn’t expect to. Part of it was I took my time. Did the side missions, grew attached to the people, and it made the ending mean more to me. Simon being boring didn’t really mean too much to me because I dug Miles and the people in his life so much. That aside, I like the combat in this more than 2018. Miles animations and powers were so fun for me, I’m worried it’ll be hard to go back to Pete for me. Something as simple as turning the launcher from an spider sting uppercut to a launching vault kick makes the game 5% for me already. I do agree, i didn’t care much for Rick though
Agree with everything you said but I don't think we are supposed to care for Rick but we care about phin who lost her brother instead
My biggest issue is definitely the story being exactly the same as the first game’s. I would’ve preferred an origin story more faithful to the comics, with the Prowler as the main villain. Both Spider-Verse and this game made him substantially a good guy who took the wrong path, but we often forget that the original Aaron Davis, despite somewhat caring about Miles, was a horrible and abusive piece of shit towards him. And true, he maybe was a simpler character... but he was far scarier as a villain.
I really liked him as a guy who was only interested in himself and what he wanted, despite having every opportunity to change but we never really got to see that as proper villainy, since his worst actions in this game are about trying to protect Miles.
If you think phin=dr.oct, you’re very lazy at analysis and don’t understand story telling
@@KCS-ep7tv Phin is:
1. A very close friend of a Spiderman.
2. Scientific Genius.
3. Used to work in a company.
4. Is screwed over by said company's corrupt boss.
5. Is trying to take revenge against said boss.
What makes her "not Doc Ock":
1. Skin
2. Gender
3. Relation to Spiderman
4. Age.
5. Villain status.
6. Final decision.
7. How she learns Spiderman's identity.
8. Blah blah...
So by the numbers, Phin =/ Doc Ock
@@sharilshahed6106 this is that same cookie cutter logic people use when they say all marvel movies are the same. The only real similarities between the two of them are the fact that they are smart and friends with the protagonist. That’s really it. If we go by that logic, both of them are just copies of dr. Conners. Both of them were screwed over by a rich man sure, but the context between the two are completely different. Dr. Ock had a personal connection with Norman. His motivation was about revenge solely. Phin isn’t trying to get revenge before or after the death of her brother. She sees herself as saving Harlem by getting rid of roxxon. Shoot, she doesn’t even wanna kill kreiger. The tinkerer is a foil to miles. Their relationship turns into an ideological struggle. Phin isn’t a villain, she’s an antagonist dealing with the villain how she sees fit. A dark spider man if you will. I could go on and on about this but I really don’t have to. Their only similarities are minute ones. The way captain midnight and you are describing them are like they can be swapped and there would be no differences. Lazy
Hobbies brown was the og prowler and had way better character moments because he was Spidey but with different beliefs and no one gives a fuck about him because of spider-verse. (And he's underutilized)
Prowler was not the main villain of the ultimate comics and was the worst one honestly. Insomniac prowler is just fine.
So overall it’s not really as good as the 1st game. I think we all knew that before the game even released.
Yep
Facts
Only good thing about this game is the sequel for the next Spider-man game.
@@zemox2534 what?
@@blazingexil4003 I mean the game sets up the sequel with the REAL Spider-Man.
>Spider-Man: Miles Morales
>PS4
Well, there's your problem.
You are talking like your opinion is universal (and it isn't)
@@TheRealTrueDizzy no, you?
What are you talking about?
hes talking about the story, did you even watched the video?
This new Peter Parker looks like the same age as Miles Morales. You can't pull off a Mentor/Mentee relationship when they both look like they're the same year in College
They look like they in middle school lmaoo
I thought Miles himself as a character was amazing but the story didn’t help much.
The story was great
@@ninjanibba4259 it was good not great.
@Malik Jara meanwhile you have idiots to trying to explain well written character who was "misguided", yeah ok.
Especially with the chase in the middle of the game where she’s blowing shit up left and right, which looks like it caused multiple deaths! That’s where all possible amounts of sympathy is immediately thrown out the window and I have no idea why anyone finds her remotely sympathetic
Krieger isn’t ceo in clip you put he literally says he’s head of r&d
Atleast he has that exaggerated swagger of a black teen
Facts
Are you talking about that review
Personally I'm also pretty split on the Tinkerer in this game, mainly because of the whole 'driven by vengeance' aspect, which really got on my nerves by the end where she refuses to listen to Miles. Don't get me wrong it made sense why she didn't want to listen to him, but it's such a cliché amongst that style of villain that isn't entertaining. Octavius in the first game we know by the end was doing bad things even before the neural interface which added a lot more depth to his villainy, but Phin seemed like a genuine person with good intentions so the lengths she goes to seem pretty extreme. Now again I get it, loss and hate does a lot to a person, but to me not only was I not all that invested in the loss of Rick, but those also don't always make for the most interesting villains as it often feels like their motive overcrowds their character. People seem to focus a lot lately on villain motives but forget that a lot of great villains also have very distinct personalities to compliment that and make them feel more rounded, to me Phin like you said didn't have enough of a clear character and history for me to be invested in why she did what she did, but that's just my opinion.
And a correct opinion at that.
“If you want to watch this but without ads...”
Me: Wait, why wasn’t this monetized??
Yes the story beats of this game are almost identical to the prior game. However I think some of that is unavoidable due to the fact it's a superhero story and while the overall narrative was familiar I still grew to care about the character of phin and her relationship to miles. Finding the time capsules throughout the city and story missions like the one where she introduces you to the underground are really engaging and made me care about the character. When she died at the end of the game I actually felt something. Also the fact that she finds out miles is Spider-Man early and the game spends a lot of time dealing with the fallout of that is really cool. The focus of the story was on Miles and Phin and that's why it succeeded for me. While I enjoyed the prior Spider-Man game its focus shifted a lot and that really affected my investment. We start by focusing in Martin li but by the end of the gane he becomes almost a side character and doctor octopus is the true antagonist. It felt disjointed and while I loved insomniac's dr octopus it made mister negative's presence feel redundant to the story and they didnt do a lot to make him memorable. We dont even really learn his origin and why he hates Osborne until almost the end of the game and even then it's just through a single video that MJ sees and has to tell peter about.
Thank you for putting everything I felt about these games into words
Eh they do hint at why Ock hates Osborne early on in their interactions with each other
I guess you're right. I wish they did more with both since ock transformation felt kind of rushed towards the end and phin wasn't explored enough to account for her transformation as well.
Damn, my problem with the story was that the first half was too predictable, but I loved the second half for how intense it was and how much heart it had. It hit harder for me and didn't feel phoned in to me personally. Phin and Krieger worked for me all the way though.
Interesting to see your take -- such a different opinion from mine.
Dude, I agree. I almost teared up in the end. I really enjoyed the story for what it was. I do wish it we had more time with the characters.
First half walked so the second half could run
So your saying the first games second have was phoned in and didn't hit hard? The only family the man had left, died so millions of people could be saved, but ok I guess frick that ending.
Peter's face is a disturbingly large contributor to my decision not to buy a ps5 at launch.
It’s really not that big of a deal😂
Implying you could even get one to begin with 😂 and the face issue is gonna be forgotten 5 years from now. Look at how many people complained about Kratos voice change when it was first revealed.
I didin't know a face depended on a console's reason to be bought or not
That’s got to be the dumbest shit I ever heard. Like there aren’t other games to get, you people really do the most for no reason when it’s not that serious.
His face is on the ps4 version of Miles Morales too lmao.
The endings are different dude. Harlem accepted him as their spiderman, shit was powerful. Plus you didn’t bring up how at first he wasn’t sold on Harlem just yet, it at the end of the game the journey he went on he accepts Harlem as his home.
Yea you said pretty much exactly how I felt. But I have some other things to add. ( just some thoughts)
- Aron Davis has almost no real reason to be in the base story , if I take him out almost nothing changes
- this version of miles morales still feels unstable like if they’re not sure how to write him he’s way too much in one, he’s a scientist and a musician , but a basketball player and a social butterfly and he’s Spider-Man and he goes to a private school and just a lot of other stuff that made the character for me hard to understand. In spider-verse he’s a graffiti artist and being an artist went into pretty much his whole character , it’s fantastic. But he doesn’t have the same kind of treatment here.
- Simon has basically no motivation for anything that he does. There’s a reason to why he wants it done in Harlem but no actual benefit besides “ oh this will make him money” even though he seems to already be a billion air. I don’t get why he doesn’t keep developing new form to a point where it’s maybe not as good but safer. I feel like that would’ve came across as a no brainer idea that would’ve made him a lot more money.
- this could be done later on in the series but why does miles not get any symptoms at all of becoming sick at the end of the game? Everyone that was just even around new form got sick. Miles sucked in and pushed out like 4-5 small reactors full of it and than the huge unstable one at the end. But as soon as the game ends , miles is just fine. Now they could change this in the next game but it was odd he felt normal at all after finishing the story.
- Why does Harlem specifically call miles “ their Spider-Man “ did peter just never go around Harlem? Did he forget about Harlem or something? I mean the story is set in Harlem and Harlem is suffering the most , but I still never understood why miles is the people of Harlem’s specific Spider-Man. Miles was protecting all of New York not just Harlem. I mean if I’m remembering right even half of or more of the neighborhood side quests aren’t even in Harlem but all across New York. The only other thing I can think of is if the deaf girl only says he is because he’s a minority just like they she is, but then how in the world does she even know that?
- Phin and miles’ friendship feels forced. I think they really added in too many characters and they wanted a huge story but they should’ve done a story just a little smaller but more focused.
I feel like I can answer the Harlem question, its mostly because Pete is off saving the entirety of New York and he's obviously gonna miss a couple of crimes somewhere, Miles living in Harlem now is like Harlem having they're own little pocket Spiderman that will help a lot of people there.
To your Harlem point, the only thing I can think of is the fact that his mask was off at the end after he blows the reactor up and see that it’s Miles, or at the very least, the kid from down the block that they recognize.
Uh you do know that both Pete and Miles can't get diseases, right?
@@godofwar234regi5 where in insomniacs version of the characters did it say they can’t get sick ?
@@lillowh6126 Pete was quite close to his aunt face-to-face AND she had the Devil's Breathe, which he could've gotten sick from but he didn't. And both of them (largely) have the same powers as their comic counterparts which also includes immunity to all diseases and illnesses but the common cold.
You know , isomaniac said this was gonna be a smaller game
It should of been DLC then
@@georgebrown8493 No, it didn't. Smaller games like Miles do exist that aren't DLC have you played Uncharted: The Lost Legacy ?
@@themadtitan7603 yep, for the price should be $15 or less.
@@georgebrown8493 lmao
@@georgebrown8493 Lmao. No game is going to be that cheap unless it’s an unknown indie game or 5 years old. It’s unreasonable to even think that, especially for an exclusive.
'My spider sense is telling me that this cake is not for eating but for throwing.' Lol that was hilarious. Really need to watch the 60s cartoon show
It was 80s cartoon
But you have to say the Ganke stuff was awesome, its where the movie fell.
The movie actually intentionally avoided doing Ganke in any meaningful way, as Homecoming already did him through Ned, and they wanted to do something new
I actually found Ganke to be really annoying honestly 🤷♂️
@@nolandavis1129 Ganke was way better than Ned tbh
@@nolandavis1129yeah, he's not as bad as Ned in the MCU because Ned is actively annoying, but Ganke is TOO positive, the dude is the most generic PC 'good guy' friend, he's basically just the 'a crime is happening in your area' but with a voice
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 Do u even realise that Ned is a spin-off of Ganke Lee, and Ned was a guy who had no connection with Peter Parker in the comics?
I was intending to make a video of blog about why this story fails in many ways because of the success of Spider Man Into The Spider Verse.
It's on par with spiderverse for me. Maybe a little bit more because it's a only miles story instead of 100 spidermen
Honestly I think what they did with the Underground was intentional. They were kind of a small-time gang, overshadowed by the Inner Demons, Tombstone's gang, and Fisk, and now are only notable for what Phin gave them. As for Phin, the Underground aren't real, serious villains like in the first game, just a vessel for Phin to get what she wants, she's using them.
I'm curious to what Nando V Movies thinks of it
Interesting what you said about stealth, I actually found it took challenge away because i was able to do entire waves using stealth and if I messed up just turn invisible to reset
Right, but you have people thinking that what makes it better.
Gameplay was amazing but the story felt rushed and incomplete
Agreed.
I actually liked this game and it’s story more than the previous game ..
I respect your opinion
@Grael Mulata no need to be rude mate.
@THICC BOI no need to be rude mate
I did too. I loved the venom dynamic and felt the story was awesome
@@billsfan you felt..... but it wasn't
" it fails to give miles an adventure that lives up to peters"... well the gameplay time was cut in half and this was meant to be a short game so what exactly did you expect? Peter's story would not have been as complex and dynamic if it wasn't as long as it was.
*2:43*
*I don't believe J.Jonah would write Harlem off like that*
*He values All of New York*
*& has Always puts those in power into question*
*He's always done it with Osborn*
*& He's even kept Peter's location safe whenever Supervillians tried to get him to spill his guts*
*Despite how insane he is & unreasonable he sounds*
I don’t have a problem with Krieger being a “flat” villain because I don’t really see him as the villain. I think he served as more of a context for Phinn and her mixed views of justice, which was awesome to explore. I like the underground purely for their “cyberpunk” aesthetic and I don’t think they needed to be anything more than punching bags. I also don’t think that the game ended predictably, I legit had no idea how it was going to end when the final boss fight was happening. The story as a whole feels grounded and very “friendly neighborhood.” It’s rooted in saving the people Miles loves and that impacted me much more than the first game, which had Peter saving a city of civilians I don’t really care about. I feel like this game retreaded the story of the first game but with more emotional weight. The Phinn/Miles relationship felt more real and familiar than the Otto/Peter relationship.
So this a more emotional weight because he saved a few people we barely rather knew than pete saving the entire city and letting the only family he has left die, what? Also no it didn't. We spent a significant amount of time with otto and getting to know him in a meaningful way that really made you buy that they were actually close. We barely knew a damn thing about phin. She just showed up, miles said they were the best of friends and were supposed to believe that and see a "real connection"? I didn't give a damn when she supposedly died.
homestly i think covid hit development. im sure there were a lot of stuff they wanted to get into but couldn’t. like miles’s mom and her campaigning ending up one note, a lot of the plot had to get suddenly cut, because the game had to launch with the ps5 and there was a global pandemic halting development
The whole narrative and the way it unfolds is nearly identical to the 2018 game, right down to the character motivations and story beats. That's the aspect of the game that disappointed me the most.
Thank you. You pretty much sum up most of my issues with the game's story and how on it's bases it was pretty much a plot of a first. I honestly thought that I was the only one that noticed this. As much as I enjoy the game this (and also some graphics issues I had on my PS4 version) was the reason why I wasn't that into it though it had some moments. It was clearly a filler plot which fine for a pretty much spin-off/DLC game. Like, if it was an actual sequel this would have been a much bigger issue. Though for Miles Morales story, it really felt like a missed opportunity.
So a little late on this but even though I haven’t played the game myself just based on what i’ve heard of the game it sounds like they needed to do only one of two things which is either focus the story on Tinker and Krieger Plot and develop the Relationship between Miles and Aaron but save Prowler for a sequel
Or do the vice versa and have Prowler be the main focus of the story and put Miles and Aaron’s relationship in the foreground of the game’s story while slowly developing Miles relationship with Phin on the side and save the whole Krieger/Roxxon plot for a sequel
@@DarkKnightofAnime Though after replaying it couple of times, I think the true strength in games story are side mission than main plot. At least based on the fact some of them are more fleshed out compare to the base game.
10/10 because of the way he jumps off rooftops, FULL of the exaggerated swagger of a black teen.
Everyone talks about how the game is “short.”. I beat the game in one day, about 8-9 hours, I think... I still need to unlock new outfits, gadgets, etc. in my opinion even though the storyline isn’t THAT long, it feels long enough. Besides, Miles is a newer Spiderman: you’re MEANT to do all the side mission and tasks to improve your skills. I think they did good with this game, I love how missions can be replayed.
I played on a PS4 slim and I lost a few FPS halfway and towards the ending- my game even froze twice 😄😄😄 this is why it’s Mesnt for PS5. Given it flaws, I still like it!
As a black kid that values representation just a lil bit less than the average normie, the Miles Morales game feels like a celebration and its just so....cool to me, it's cool to see the cultural side of new york, the part-spanish speaking household, the tims in the snow, an ASL girl being in the best side missions I've ever seen in a game, and lastly, a person that looks like me and lives like me in the suit, bc that proves to me that truly, anybody can wear the mask, you just gotta have what it takes. I definitely see your criticism of the "main but not really" villain, but I think Phin is done well, in addition to the dialogue and the emotion behind all the major fights, in 2018, If I wasn't a spiderman shill, i wouldn't know why Peter cared so much about Miles' dad dying, and even for some people, Doc Ock was done poorly (i disagree but I can see why) he has lik what 3 scenes and a couple texts before he turns evil, and even Peter never really mentions him outside of when its time for him, Miles is always talking about phin, and the fact that Miles has to go thru similar events to what Pete went through as a KID, I think is intentional, because Miles is new, hes young and we can see how it takes a much larger toll on him than someone whos been doing it. Spidey 2018 was definitely a great story, the best peter, a celebration of what Spiderman has been since 1962, but Miles is what Spiderman means to me since October 22, 2003.
THANK YOU. As a black person myself I whole-heartedly agree with this being a celebration of diversity rather than "the exaggerated swagg of a black teen."
as a non black man i love the exaggerated swagger of a black teen
I feel the same way
Exactly, I feel exactly what your saying. Even the little things like how Miles voice isnt this super deep "black" voice I kinda relate to that cause my voice is a little bit squeaker than my peers. Those little things matter but where the game really shines is with family. I kinda feel like midnight blew past that but the family dynamics in this game are fantastic.
@@kirbyzaneobi i’m rlly happy we can find something or someone that just helps us identify with media that much more, it’s important, i’m happy you found that bro real talk💯
You would think they would be more experimental with the story since this isn't a full fledge game. Witcher 3 DLC story was much more innovative than this.
The worst part about Spider-Man: Miles Morales is that it's actually good. If it was just another gimmicky PS5 launch title, a 4-hour tech demo, which I kinda went in expecting it to be, it would have been just fine. It would quickly be swept under the rug and forgotten about.
But no, they had to try to squeeze a full-on story adventure into it, and that's what ruined it. Not the game, the adventure. It had the potential to be so much more - a proper sequel to the 2018 game. This could easily have been fleshed out to AT LEAST a 15 hour experience, if only they gave themselves not just more time, but also a bigger scope. We can only imagine how well-developed the story could have been, but all we have now is a funky mixture of well-written characters, cool plot ideas and potentially emotional moments that we'll never be able to not only relive, but even live through fully in the first place. They are stuck as they are now - rushed, undermined and not willing to take risks.
To me it feels like the game needs a little more padding, like I wasn't expecting it to be epic and grand as the first game but I do agree with your points.
I do think Simon Krieger could've gotten some more backstory to be fleshed out, and something outside of Prowlers word to get him arrested, like maybe a mission where you find some daming evidence on him.
Tinkerer definitely could've used more, one thing that annoyed me is how they used to cliche of "you lied to me!" On miles when he (technically) didn't, I hate that trope. Also her turn at the end felt like it didn't happen because she realized what was happening but because it needed to. Other than that, I thought it was a solid game and I even cried at the end.
You know what, you’re right. If Simon got away with it at the end, if would’ve hit 10 times harder when they have that beat where Peter says “we’ll add it to the Spider-Man oath”.
Excuse me bruh Simon Kreiger had a fantastic voice actor he was so good how can you say that
Troy Baker TOTALLY sold Krieger! But, Midnight said that he was bored by the character, not the actor.
Yea the story was too obvious. Not enough boss battle unfortunately
This game just doesn't feel like a full game
It isn't. In fact the devs said it wasn't going to be. It's a glorified expansion. Some folks are inclined to ride the bandwagon so they don't point that out.
It's an 8 - 12 hr game. Less than some expansions for other games. There's nothing wrong with you if you felt like it wasn't a full game. It literally wasn't.
@@BruvahSulaiman is it me or do people give insomniac too much credit?
@1998sims That's less an issue with this game and more a problem we'll be facing as we approach next-gen consoles, games will get more expensive (69.99 USD) and even smaller games like this one will have price tags comparable to full games from the last generation.
It was never a full game, people just saw a new Miles Morales game being announced and went "Oh my god Miles Morales, I loved Spider-Verse!" instead of bothering to check the news which fair enough not everyone does but it was a big part of the marketing of the game.
@@BruvahSulaiman yeah and it’s selling for 60€
I also hate the fact that peter basically just leaves. Like come on Peter is not the type of guy that would leave his city in the hands and protection of a teenager who's very new to all this. I know Peter had that too, he didn't had a mentor and he was on his own at a very younger age than miles does but like won't that be the very reason Peter would stay and be a mentor to Miles. I think it would have been more impactful if in the rhino fight Miles had the chance to save Peter from like a deadly punch or something but miles misses it due to his lack of experience and because of that peter gets hit and suffers a serious Injury that maybe lead to him being in a coma or basically something that made Peter hospitalize or severely injure to the point he can't fight. That would have been more impactful as now Miles feels responsible for it as his mistake lead to Peter having to be out of the fight and now he has to own it up by being the only Spiderman left so far to protect New York
Peter didn't even need to be incapacitated, just severely hurt enough he needs time to get his personal life in order, just a couple days
He could even show up to tie loose ends left by miles throughout the story in the end
I like the side missions doing mundane shit like saving cats and random muggings.
The underground are like a Pokemon villain team
Lol pretty much
"It's not a bad game but it fails to live up to Peter's"
That right there I think sums up your issue with the game but I don't think that's the game's fault. It seems to me like you were expecting a full-blown sequel here rather than a high-quality side story, that's part of why this is a much shorter game and story. The writers clearly knew what they were doing with the similarities between Miles and Phin and Otto and Peter, they were meant to parallel each other not be rip-offs, best seen when the two duos literally bump into each other during that flashback scene, they knew what they were doing there.
You really seemed to expect Miles story to be too much of its own thing but by virtue of him being Peters protege on his first solo adventure that couldn't have been the case. This isn't about Miles becoming Spiderman it's about him recognizing his identity and potential to be his OWN Spiderman, so there will be similarities but they are very much his own, best seen when he takes the suit Peter made for him and makes the now iconic Miles suit. It parallels the scene from Peters game where Otto helps him make his white spider suit but serves a different purpose, there Peter was accepting a friends help in making himself a better suit but because he refuses to let too many people in on his secret that was pretty much all Otto could really do for him. Miles, on the other hand, comes to recognize that he doesn't have to do things as Peter does, he mentions at one point that Peter said it's a "rule" that you never tell anyone you're secret identity but this just doesn't work for Miles. He comes to find value in having his own support system to help him out, first with Ganke, then with Uncle Aaron, and even his mother are all let in on the secret and they all support and help him to varying degrees. This is something Peter has always been too afraid to do but it goes to further show how similar yet different he and Miles are.
Predictable isn't always a bad thing, I too saw where things were likely going for Phin and I dreaded it every step of the way. I was hoping she could live through to the end but that obviously just wasn't meant to be, didn't matter at all that I saw her death coming. As for Simon, I mean I guess they could have had him get away but I don't mind him being caught either. It goes to further make Phins story even more tragic because this proves that Miles was right, if they had just gone public with everything Simon was doing he would have been arrested and Roxxon would have been finished, but she was so blinded by rage and grief that that option was unacceptable, she needed to make Simon hurt in any way she could, just as Otto couldn't let his beef with Norman go. I also LOVED everything done with Uncle Aaron, he's far more sympathetic here than he's ever been and I love that he isn't just stuck as a villain through to the end since he does get a moment of redemption at the end and could possibly begin to mend his relationship with Miles and his family later, but does still get arrested himself and is still paying for what he's done too. His side missions were some of the first ones I finished, just the right amount of challenge without being frustrating and the reward for finishing them was awesome and well worth it.
I found this game's story to be, yes, shorter than the first but every bit as engaging. Part of this is me further relating to Miles as a young black man myself, that scene where he's about to be shot by the Roxxon guys on the bridge really hit me in a place. It's not exactly the Miles game I would have made but I'm more than happy with what I got.
He doesn't help him he just came up with the general idea of the suits design. Pete actually made the suit.
Man that was beautiful you earned a like my friend.
I wish we'd have seen more of Miles and Phin. That's really my only complaint, and it would have really helped augment everything else in the story.
I platniumed the game 4 days after it came out (yeah I have no life), and it was probably just as amazing as Spiderman 2018. I love it. I don't regret it.
Wow, that quick? The PS4 game took me a while. And others have 1 or 2 years for me to do that.
@@erindelgado9639 the games story if your rushing is only about 6 hours long with all the stuff I did the first file only took about 12-15 hours. Then NG+ was about 6 hours without any interupptions
@@TheRealTrueDizzy I meant more the original Spider-Man PS4 game, not the Miles game as I don't have it yet.
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I called this back when they released the Rhino chase sequence on Gameinformer. I really hate being right in this case, but I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed.
I absolutely loved this game, just as much as 2018’s SM. Midnight, you have created a well crafted video and made your points very well. For me personally, this game was more about Miles and his image in the community more so than it was a sort of origin story that we got in Spider-Verse. Throughout the game you can constantly see people’s doubt toward Miles’s capabilities as Spider-Man. Scroll through the social feed in the pause menu. Walk on the sidewalk and listen to how NPC’s react to you. The side missions, which are great, like you mentioned, do a really good job of establishing the relationship between Miles and the community. One of the very first ones with the missing cat for instance. Teo, the owner, was sort of chafed upon seeing him enter the bodega to respond to his request for help. I do think that the antagonists could’ve been a bit more involved, or fleshed out, namely The Tinkerer. Krieger was more so a plot device himself and honestly I was okay with that, but the thing about Spider-Man is that some of his greatest villains not only have a connection with his super hero identity, but his real one as well. If we had seen or known more about Phin, maybe in the first game along with Miles like you said, the impact of her actions and their relationship would be felt a bit more.
Aside from that, great game, great video, thank you once again for a wonderful analysis.
I would also recommend watching browntable’s video of the game, he also breaks it down very well
I'm not familiar with Mile's current run in 616 universe, but do they still call him 'Spider-Man'? Isn't that name taken? Like, I know Spidey had a lot of imitators and people taking up the mantle, but they never went by the same hero name as him, it's always Scarlet-Spider, or Dusk or when he's dead or M.I.A., which is exactly what was the precedent, but do they literally have two heroes with the same superhero title?
Would that not get extremely awkward?
"Reed, we need to get Spider-Man, he holds the key to defeating Mysterio!"
- Uhhh, wait, which Spider-Man? The ah, uh... 'urban-sounding' Spider-Man ?
Lol you are not alone my friend. I have to recommend you to check out YoungRippa59 for his take on Miles Morales. He offers some good points about the character.
"Which Spider-Man?"
"You know, the other one?" LOL 😅
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I've seen a few of his videos, and while he likes to make videos on the same topic over and over again, I do tend to agree with him, I was just curious if this was ever addressed in the comics
What I don't understand is why he didn't get some of his information from the cops? Wasn't he Dad a cop?
One thing I can't let go because i've experienced SM1 on PS4 and compared the footage of Peter lashing out on Otto in the end - the new face does NOT have the same emotional weight to it, it's a cheery face and projects happy, inquisitve states fine but sadness, grief, dissapointment - not yet - looks like a stiff plastic bot trying to immitate a human , compare it yourself if you don't believe me.
It's ironic how the worst writer to work on Miles Morales and his "canon" is his creator.
You know who should play Spider-Verse's GWEN STACY?
DANIELLA PINEDA
I can see your problems with the game, and share them to an extent, but I’m more in the camp of Hi-Top Films. I loved the emphasis on the community this game has. Really makes Spider-Man feel like a Friendly Neighborhood hero. It takes the looking out for the little guy aspect from the first game and doubles down on it. Felt like pure Spider-Man. Felt like what MCU Spider-Man should have been.
Also, Krieger gets arrested because Miles finds incriminating evidence in Krieger’s files. That combined with Prowler, Krieger’s associate, confessing to everything led to Krieger’s arrest.
I just couldn't get behind Phin's character. She wasn't menacing at all and just annoying.
I feel like if the game was longer it would be able to establish phin and miles as great friends and make it more sad and shocking when we found out she’s the tinkerer and could make the story much more detailed