Inappropriate Questions from LDS Bishop Interviews - Kelly Trust
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2021
- Mormon Stories Podcast guest, Kelly Trust, reads through a list of inappropriate questions she has been asked from her bishops over the years. Kelly also discusses the lack of sexual education in Mormonism, and how that impacted her growing up.
This excerpt is from Mormon Stories episode 1459 - “Expelled from BYU for Having Sex - Star Athlete vs Student - Kelly Trust”
The full interview can be found at: • Expelled from BYU for ...
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The problem with cults is that they know way more about their members than they really should.
Ok I'll make sure that I don't give too much info about myself to those damn cults.
@@johnnynez9533 I mean you may laugh at this comment until you actually give them your info and see how much you get spammed by this cult.
What Kelly says about not teaching about protection and consent because it could encourage “false behaviour” is such an important point.
In my family (not Mormon though) and also in school (Germany) the opposite was believed to be true and when it happened (rather late in freshman year of college) I felt prepared in the way that I knew how to protect me from pregnancy and disease as well as that I had the right to tell when something didn’t feel good or that I did or didn’t feel ready yet (basically the very definition of consent).
I feel so bad for all these young teenage girls (and boys) who grow up without that knowledge and therefore end up having experiences that feel uncomfortable, that are dangerous in some way or another or even make sexual relationships traumatic and stigmatising, not even to mention the added weird factor of a middle aged man asking private questions to them about this matter when being alone with him, it sounds awful.
I used to think that this was normal and okay. Wow, I now realize how wrong this is. Wrong on so many levels.
I thought it was ‘normal’ but definitely NOT okay, humiliating.
I went through these same situations. it was completely traumatizing.
This is the way young women are groomed for sexual abuse, which should never happen in churches, but sadly does. A male church leader does NOT need to be asking a woman or young girl these questions, especially all the specific details, especially ALONE with her! It’s grossly inappropriate!!! Mormonism is a CULT, plain & simple. It is FAR from a church of Jesus Christ, and is a counterfeit of a true relationship with God through Jesus Christ! Do not walk away, RUN away from anyplace like this!
I have had many bishops ask the same questions. One of my bishops told me that I just crave attention.
A data point on why Mormonism is a net negative. Mormonism provides a great community for those who fit in, but its leaders are so clumsy in their dogma and policies that it causes so much damage.
They try, they really do. As a group of people they are terrific.
They observe proper gender roles and they have big beautiful families they try their best to make their communities better.
@@Blackwater2 The Mormonism fall down is their claim to exclusive authority to god's knowledge and power, which they call priesthood, and the way that use it to control and condemn people who don't fit.
It sounds like Mormonism sounds like Catholicism. People don't need anyone on Earth to confess to. We have a direct line to God.
That is nothing like Catholicism.
Bring Julie on from MTV real world. Kicked out of BYU on national tv. She has left the church because the church’s lgbtq policy. Julie and her family were judged and bullied because she was on tv. She had an amazing story about 9/11 and almost going on one of the flights that went down.
I am guessing the surgery referred to was to open a hymen blocking the vaginal opening (thus related to the menstrual cycle), but I am not sure, due to the post op protocol ( mom applying a salve). There is also mention of someone touching her without permission: is this mom or someone else? A little confusing. But not really related to all of the questions asked by the various bishops, which are of course horrific, since these are not medical professionals, but just some random guys you saw at church every week who were given a title. The cringe factor is off the charts.
Sounds like the Bishops are getting off on the details.
I am genetically and biologically an intersexed hermaphrodite and I also just went through a very traumatizing experience with the bishop and president. I am completely straight and heterosexual male, but I was ostracized and traumatized by the church just recently for the past four weeks due to my biological condition
The church is the most hypocritical church on the face of the planet. Emily want to know the truth about heaven? join the NDE discussion group where tens of thousands of humans died briefly and went to the after life. They were normally revived but life in the afterlife is real.
That is so shocking!
@@karasteynberg636 actually it's not
That’s so disgusting nobody should have to answer questions like that. What a messed up church and religion this is. To ask literal children about this stuff.
Ministers ask these types of questions too. Its nobody's business and not just the Mormons that are creeps.
Bishops , as Ordinary Lay people Do Not have psychology degrees, child psychology degrees, or Theology degrees. They Should Not be Asking sexually explicit intrusive questions from minors Especially with No Parent Present !!!
I have only seen about ten videos of these young women being questioned by the LDS bishops about their sexual experiences, but no one has asked what has gone through my mind. Does anyone else feel these older men were getting thrills by asking these girls to show where they had been touched and how many times, etc? It is obvious to me that their positions in the church is giving them permission to be perverts! I feel they probably left these inquisitions and masturbated thinking about the young girl they had just interrogated. It makes me sick!!
About the "Trying to find the other partner" I had a different experience where they wanted me to keep it anonymous because it wasn't their business. Each Bishop is different and some take it on themselves to try and find out.
Her bishop told her she was addicted to sex after having it one time?! Disgusting and manipulating but sadly they are just doing what they think is right and moral
Report all this to the Police, this is child sexual assault and grooming.
The idea that everything associated with sex outside of marriage is evil and therefore should be shunned and never discussed is SOOOO horrible for our mental, emotional, sexual and even physical health
People with a naturally high libido develop so much trauma in hardcore orthodox religions, it’s indescribably destructive to my life and the lives of countless others
Good point Jared. We so often focus on the injustice and emotional torture puritanical and doctrinaire cults like mormonism impose on homosexuals. There are heterosexuals who are also caught in the emotional trauma brought on by a rigid moral code derived from iron and bronze age "holy scripture." Some years ago as I studied Islam and realized what incredibly unnatural restrictions that religion imposes on young men at exactly the time their hormonal activity is at it's absolute peak. They can't even look a young woman in the face. No wonder Islam so lends itself to educated young men blowing themselves up along with as many innocent people they can take with them for the sake of "martyrdom." Then I look at the Utah Mormon culture; mission at age 18, and when finish, you don't screw around, you get married for time and eternity before the temptation of the flesh lead you astray. If it just so happens you love the person you hastily courted then married for time and eternity then so much the better, but that is purely a secondary consideration. Is Mormonism, the Utah variety anyway, really that much different from Islam in the way they impose their horribly puritanical doctrine on young people?
I don’t see it that way at all. Why is it so horrible? God gave us the power of procreation. That means he also gets to set the bounds for which that power is to be used. To not set bounds is like giving your underage, immature, child the keys to your car and telling them to go have fun.
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Did "He" give us that power? How do you know? If "He" did give us that power, it wasn't a Mormon God.
Yeah. Jeffrey Dahmer just had a big appetite and god made him that way after all.
@@seminolekilla lol idk about that chief. dahmer had some serious issues, mental or moral or whatever he wasn’t remotely close to normal
This is so disturbing. There are so many more guards in the mainstream denominations that have confession and terrible things still happen.
Confession is designed to run fast, many people are done in a minute, I've seen 20 or 30 penitents go in an hour.
Kind and number, only details that make clear what the sin is and how many times. "I did everything but sex" would be exactly the expected way to say it. Priests discourage details, and the confession is sealed. A priest is told in seminary that they should die instead of revealing any confessed sins.
And the priests get a degree in theology before any of this.
I've left since and even my experience I look back on in horror.
I have a hard time accepting how much power a Bishop has in the LDS Church. Telling everything to the Bishop in the most minute detail is wrong. It is none of his business. It is hard to believe that parents allow this to happen to their young children and teenagers. Even as an adult I would be against this practice.The brainwashing is strong such that parents don't find this wrong. When a Bishop knows all the intimate details of your life, he has the power to blackmail a person. I do not like it.
MY GOD!! WHAT THE HELL?!?!
Yes
First rule of fight club. Never tell the bishop anything.
💯😱😰
I really don't get why these leaders ask such detailed, sexually explicit questions. I thought they were just supposed to ask if a person keeps the law of chastity (which itself is a problem) - not go into detail if a person answers "no". It's ridiculous and disgusting!
They are trying to move away from this I think after all the attention Sam Young brought to this! For a long time it was very explicit. I think some did because they are pervs. I think some did it to induce a sense of shame and sadness "godly sorrow" to facilitate "true repentance" - in they way of thinking. Maybe they thought if it was an awful experience then it would scare the person straight. I would like to hear their justification for asking those explicit of questions.
@@ChristopherSalisburySalz I honestly hope they are because nobody, let alone a tender age child should have to go through the humiliation.
They are supposed to ask if you follow the law of chastity. That's the official question. But many bishops take it on themselves to ask more, probably usually because of their own sexual perversion. It never happened to me in interviews, but I know it's common.
They're voyeuristic fetishists with diplomatic immunity from prosecution.
Maybe their perverts, getting off on every dirty detail. Why else would they need to know details.
Had a wise YSA Bishop he told the RS Sisters- tell me when you feel worthy to go to The Temple. No probing questions. Just trust. Then it’s on the member not the Bishop. Stop grossing out the girls/ladies.
That's what actually happens, at least 99% of the time. The story she tells, only seems to happen on Ex-Mormon sites in my experiences. A mom touching the daughter with sacred oil and the Bishop asking her to describe how she masturbates is definitely not the church I knew. Fake Mormon porn sites and stories is a thing and fantasy for some.
Let’s not forget the difference between “TALKING about an inappropriate behavior (with debate about intention) and DOING inappropriate behavior.
Why wouldn’t the bishop be happy she’s involved with a male at least she’s headed in the right direction.
I got asked all these questions too.
Why is this allowed!
I had heard the questions were personal, but still the inappropriateness of the bishops prodding blows my mind!!
Those bishops sound like perverts.
Amy Logan exmormonology would be a great interview 👍
Come on now,our parents are meant to protect us with every ounce of their being yet LDS parents allow this to happen?I would never be able to forgive my parents if they did this to me,the trauma of it is written all over this lady's face.
These untrained, sick bishops are religious zealots and the whole thing is creepy. They are getting off on it......
You learn more things from your friends.your parents don't teach that.
Sick old Fs! Making kids needlessly in a constant glory/shame cycle, demanding they feel how ideal and righteous the sickness of it all “is” in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
Mmm that Bishop wanted details for something else! Gross! Sick ducks !
Kara please just an observation. You have outbursts of what I think is meant to be a joke or being sarcastic ? Seems very immature! Also how many times you need to tell the world how important mastibating us ti you, I'm embarrassed, gosh, as a girl saying it like one of the boys in the locker room? Is there no more discretion? Self preservation? You telling the WHOLE world. Sorry I mean it comes across like that. Anyway Kelly what a stunning human you are, so down to earth, beautiful inside and out forsure.
What's wrong with other colleges. BYU has a very strict standard that's why I went to UofA so I can have my cold beer once in a while.
That’s called a cult
Bless your heart 🙏🏼❤️
Kelly you are amaizing, truely, inside and out. God knows your heart! that is truely all that matters. Respect to you Kelly. Thank you for telling your story, discreatly, thank you for not saying masterbating over and over and over, like your host likes to all the time. Boys go ahead but girls come on some discretion, the world is kistening. Think the bishop wanted details for a different reason 😮 we should gossip about that! 😮 why are the details nessassary? Kelly there is something called karma, dont you worry.
Can someone please set Kelly and Makay up, thise 2 will be soul mates!
I never had those problems growing up in a Lutheran Church with a hidden coven. I grew up with orgies for crazy descendents of people in history in places and having to be born again to consider myself normal. This reminds me of the years I spent working for Kaiser Permanente while working on books and albums with defected Jehovah's Witnesses who went through similar things. We broke Whitesnake albums and wrote songs about living in sin with "Satan."
I would say that you would also have a problem with the Evangelical Covenant's Bible Camp but not whatever it was I had.
The problems I had after growing up in a Lutheran CHURCH and attached Coven: Marrying and Divorcing a Baptist Seminarian who liked covertly men after I was a born again Christian and researching histories in Theological Libraries.
Point to where he touched you!?! WOW! Very inappropriate!
Ih my word Kara. How old are you?
That this is considered acceptable behavior by the hierarchy of the Church is beyond creepy. These Bishops are not trained psychologists and these interviews are designed to degrade the interviewee, not to help the person. Sexuality in the Church is narrowly prescribed. The sexual explicitly of the interview is designed to illicit acceptable and chaste behaviors and shame the woman. It’s fetishized to the point of denigrating female sexuality and explains that women alone are the guardians of sexual activity and are singularly to blame if anything out of bounds happens. This is creepy and disgusting and should be banned from the church.
SURGERY?!?!?
I’m wondering what the actual fuck as well 😡
What surgery is she talking about?
Just because "someone" anyone who received a calling to be a bishop did not give him automatically the studies, education years of preparation to be an expert on human behavior, understand it and find the "best solution". At the end of the day they are as human as we are. Sometimes with more flaws than we do.
ahhh, bountiful…
Bedroom questions are not allowed in the Bishop's interview.
....anymore.
Some of these bishops question to the extent of almost wanting to be hiding in the wardrobe at the time.
How many Bishop are really listen to the Holy Spirit and do the will of God????🙏🙌 I know most of them don't spend 4 minutes in prayer.Let alone 2 hours a day.I have chosen the fear of the Lord Jesus Christ Our SAVIOR.
Are bishops allowed to have sex in the Mormon culture? Just wondering because if they are asking these type questions which are not appropriate it's like they get off on the answers.
What do you mean by "that surgery"
I grew up Mormon and at least the church I went to if you did anything you felt you needed to repent for whether it was sexual, word of wisdom related etc. we were told it's up to you what you want to share because that is between you and God. However if you feel a need to repent don't take the sacrament until your sinning behavior is fixed. The only time I was ever asked about sex, drugs etc. was by the Stake President dealing with a temple recommend for baptisms for the dead. Even then it was just an honor system. I haven't been in over 30 years. I was bored with it. Was 19 and was supposed to go on a mission but never really believed the religion part. The people are mostly quality people the kind you want as a neighbor. Some of my Bishops were far better at relating than others but that's just how people are. A bishop in the Mormon church has to be the most difficult assignment in the church. He has to decide who to help, talk to a wide range of people, deal with finances etc., put together the weekly meeting and still run his personal life. Not a job I would want.
I've had 3 extremely inappropriate interviews, but you have to endure them if you want to go to the temple.
Weird LDS cult bishops
I’m not Mormon, I’m Jewish, I don’t really have much contact with Mormons. However, where I used to live in PA I had a lot of of contact with them and I came to realize- MORMONS ARE THE NICEST PEOPLE IV’E EVER MET.
This particular bishop was a weirdo and was undoubtedly getting-off to if, oh well.
Rolling eyes....
3 minutes in and she's complaining that her mom didn't teach her that she could have sex with condoms and birth control and that teenagers should have sex. The hell is this girl on lmao. The reason they don't teach that is because kids would be having sex at a larger rate than they already are. And who the hell taught her to confess your sins to a bishop? The hell? All he's good for is temple recommends. This video already lost credit to me and if the law of tithing and the convenients are harmful then so is the ten commandments.
They are a bit unusual, but generally speaking, Mormons tend to be some of the people I’ve met.
Not all bishops are perfect. People aren't perfect. Parents aren't perfect. Your not perfect. I had a total douche for a bishop at 17. I didnt base my testimony on him or how shitty he treated me. To each his own. Your relationship with the savior is what matters. You should've stopped telling your bishop everything you do.. do your thing and then live with the consequences. The bishop cant fix anything anyone's does. Dont blame the church for some wierd people. It sucks you had to deal with these idiots, but the church is true. I've been exed, and I knew it was my fault and had to get my crap straight with the savior. Could care less what the bishop or stake president thought.
No, the church is NOT true, it is a lie. The BofM cannot possibly be a true history. The BofA is such a proven joke that any discussion of it is more appropriate for late night comedy. But all that is another discussion. The point here is your true church teaches bishops have power of discernment and revelation for their domain, the ward. Stake Presidents have the same for their domain, the stake. There is no latitude what so ever for members to pick and choose those who as you put it are "douches." Whether it be the total asses the highest levels of your church made themselves out to be in any number of events, notably the Hoffman scandal of mid 1980s, or the children of homosexual couples debacle of this century, or local bishops who prove themselves to be voyeurs at the church's direction, your church dogma leaves no room for "some are and some aren't."
@@zachgarver7922 I respect your opinion, hopefully you can respect mine.
@@user-bd5md5cm2j Fair enough.
Completely inappropriate victim blaming. You’re welcome to hold on to your cognitive dissonance, but don’t shame someone else for choosing not to, especially considering the history of abuse of women and children in the church.
@@miro_sk I'm not shaming anyone. Shame on you for shaming me
You guys think the Bishop did Hard questions... ?
Just wait until you stand before the Lord! They're are going to be some tough ones to answer.
YourConscience
How would you know? Piss off.
You should be ashamed of yourself for conducting this interview with Kelly Trust. While testimonials of this nature can be informative and illuminating, it should be conducted with an interviewee that is mentally balanced and mature. Kelly is neurotic (weird, inappropriate laughter) and still deeply (pathologically) disturbed about her past. She is not able to discuss the matter rationally but instead STILL exhibits psychological quirkiness, contorted facial expressions and inappropriate reactions that shows she is mentally unstable. She's being exploited for the minimal content you were trying to extract from her. She shows NO perspective or successfully processed emotions, which means she should not be interviewed about this topic until she demonstrates more psychological maturity. It's an exploitative and re-traumatizing interview. Shame on the interviewer.
Found the pedophile bishop!^^^^
Do you still hear the screaming of the lambs?
I’m not Mormon, I’m Jewish, I don’t really have much contact with Mormons. However, where I used to live in PA I had a lot of of contact with them and I came to realize- MORMONS ARE THE NICEST PEOPLE IV’E EVER MET.
This particular bishop was a weirdo and was undoubtedly getting-off to if, oh well.