You guys' confusion at the end was part of the problem with the cartridge. The ads were all for .41 Magnum. Unlike the .44 Mag and .44 Special, there was only the .41 Magnum. The .41 Special is a later wildcat that was never SAAMI certified. It was the loading itself that was different. They had the full-house load (210 gr at 1400 fps) and the police load (210 gr at 950 fps). This created market confusion as people would think they were buying a good service revolver and end up with the magnum loads which were a handful or would get the police loads, which were a bit aenemic as hunting loads. Gunwriter John Taffin has a lot of good info on the cartridge you can look up.
Yes, confusion was part of the 41s demise, as a service weapon anyway. Police loadings were a 210 SWC at 900 fps and change out of the 4" Service Model 58. They were slow to get them out, so police often bought the full power 210 at 1,400 fps and complained that the recoil and muzzle blast were horrendous. News travels fast and very few departments chose the 41. Then the auto era started, and that was that.
Yea, I was very disappointed on their lack of knowledge about this great cartridge and I was looking forward to this cartridge talk for a long time. I think they rushed this one and it could have been a great one. The .41 mag just can't get the love it deserves, even on the Vortex Podcast...😂😂😂
@@anonymousf454 this sadly was a rush job for whatever reason. Just Comparing ballistic statistics among the 3 magnums out to 200 yards would have been a nice start. (Hint: 44 Magnum starts dropping fast). I just found a 2004 Outdoor Life article on Marlin 1894s chambered in .41 Magnum that applauded its accuracy, flat trajectory, and effectiveness. It was the first search item that came up for me “Marlin 1894 41 Magnum”. I love these guys but this was disappointing.
A big problem with 10mm is that factory ammo is loaded quite weak, its barely more than .40 s&w pressure, if you get the correct ammo, or reload for the 10mm it can be quite powerful and can come pretty darn close to .41 mag. The .40 s&w also suffers from a lot of weak factory ammo. As does .357 there are a few cartridges that suffer from mostly weak ammo, that's just one of the great things about reloading your own 🙂
Back around 93 I had a Dan Wesson pistol pack in 41 mag.. 4, 6, and 8" full underlug barrels shadowed in a hard sided briefcase. There was a Dan Wesson belt buckle in there too.
Thanks! You answered my question about whether or not Dan Wesson revolvers ever were chambered in .41 Magnum. I already have a 744, a 715, and just got a 15-2 with 4” and 6” barrels. What was the model designation for the .41 Magnum? Were they made on Monson, Mass?
@@chipsterb4946 Can't remember. The only thing that sticks out is I think I remember it was when the Wesson family owned the company. I seem to recall that they sold it to someone else, then bought it back. My memory is pretty flaky though.
The .41 Magnum was introduced in 1964. Nine years after 44 Magnum and 29 years after the 357 Magnum. The 41 Magnum was never available in a Medium framed revolver comparable to the S&W K frames 38 Specials and 357 Magnums that were carried by police at the time. The M58 and M57 revolvers were large N framed models. The police load sadly gone today as it is a great starter load for the cartridge had ballistics of 1050 fps with the full power being 1500 fps from an 8 3/8 in barrel for the 210 gr. bullet. When test barrels were changed to 4 inches in the 80's ballistics changed to 965 fps and 1300 fps respectively. In 2003 Marlin introduced the lever action 1894FG chambered in 41 Magnum until it ended production in 2007.
@twl-s4q Thank you! Bunch of rookies did a podcast with no information other than a few printouts from the quick Google search they did 10 minutes before the show! BTW, I've owned one of the Marlin 1894FGs for about 15 years and it's one of my favorite guns. Got one mule deer, a badger, yote, and more rabbits and chucks than I can count. It shoots 210 XTPs at 1,900 fps and a 170 Sierra GK at 2,200 and change! Does not shoot 250+ grain bullets for beans though, with the 1/20" twist. The Henry would be better for heavies; if I remember right, they have a 1-16" twist.
This reminded me that I inherited a Ruger Blackhawk in 41 Rem Mag and some reloading dies for it DECADES ago and never even touched them; they're buried in the back of my gun safe and have been since I got them. I might have to get them out and take a look.
@DanielReyes-hz1qk it's possibly the best cartridge you own, and didn't even know it. Gotta be like finding a hundred dollar bill in your jacket pocket you didn't know you had! I'm jealous! 😂
Blasphemy! 🤬 Alright, I like my .41 Magnums as well but my favorites are the .45 Colt and .357 Magnum. If you reload you are just as well off with a .41 to be honest, but I won't admit it in mixed company!
I've got a S&W Model 57 and 657, and they are loads of fun. Put 21.9 gr of H110 behind a 210 gr bullet, and it makes fabulous fireballs with a 4" barrel But, not mild recoil 😅
This cartridge ca.e in a N frame S&W. Most PD's carried a K frame 38. It was not the same size as most 38 pistols. The only exception would be the S&W heavy duty 38/44.
Thanks for this, guys. I've carried a Ruger Blackhawk 4-5/8" in .41 Mag as a hunting sidearm for 40 years. I got it as an alternative to the Super Blackhawk 7-1/2" which was too much iron on my belt. It has served me well, placing "finish off" shots a couple times. Well done on the podcast.
My 41 is a Ruger Blackhawk. It really is a beatiful cartridge. It has never had a scope mounted on it. As with all guns, you have to shoot it to be accurate. What I mean is, if it's been 6 months since I've fired it, I may be able to hit a 20 inch gong at 200 only twice. Right now, I can hit every shot at 200 yards on the gong. What say you about your Staccatto? If you can't make longer shots, you need to ptactice longer shots. I say Elmer Keith was a hell of a shooter with skills that far surpass mine. He definately was able to take a caribou at 400+ yards. Another great show guys!
Seems like a lifetime ago, a co-worker while in the military had a .41 Rem Mag revolver for hunting. I did not get why he preferred the .41 as ,44 Rem Mag was also available. Now I get it. Awesome video.
Loving the holiday cartridge talks and the 41 Mag is phenomenal, but where's the love for 357 Magnum? You could even do a 38 Special/357 Magnum talk in one video!
Dec.26 2024 to date my grandson as taking his first 5 deer with the .41 mag. Made from a 410 shotgun . That round is not a slouch puts them down . His deer didn't run no farther than 25 yard.
Great episode gentlemen. What I believe is an incredibly overlooked cartridge. You know what else is an overlooked cartridge ? The .358 !! That's why the dedicated Cartridge Talk fan base is so excited about the episode coming up specifically addressing this great lever gun cartridge !! WE are SO excited !! jmp
So now you are "The dedicated Cartridge Talk Fan Base"? LMAO!!! Gotta love your persistence though Jeff. I hereby dub thee President of the CTFB, all hail!!!! I do hope though we get a .358 something this season. I'm rootin for the Norma but the Win is a good one. Can I be VP??Lol
Dude?? What happened? This cannot be the end of cartridge talks so we still have hope. Hope all is good in your New Year and will see you soon on the next one. Best.........
Been reloading and shooting the 41 mag for 40 years, it is my favorite magnum revolver cartridge bar none. Everyone that I introduce the 41 to usually ends up buying their own due to the impressions that it makes on them.
That is hire I became a fan. Skitt a freinds. 41 mag black hawk. I looked fur years for one, found a red hawk but didn't like the looks. Bought a Taurus tracker .41 mag. 4" ported barrel. Throws flames like a dragon.
Ryan’s Eastwood was priceless. I’ve been shooting and carrying a snubnosed Ruger for years. Lots of muzzle blast but still very accurate and easy on the wrist… except for my reloads. As I get older, I may have to rethink that load. Love y’all’s shows
I just inherited from my father who was a die hard S&W fanboy - a pristine S&W 57 with a 6 in barrel. It is fantastic. I also have the Dirty Harry 44 mag to go along with it. da trigger is very nice. I can pull it to just breaking and hold and with a few ounces more send it .
I own a 657. I love the cartridge. I will say that the .44 Magnum will do everything the .41 Magnum will and more. It's cool if you want to be different.
I owned a 57 a few years ago and still have a lot of brass for it. I want the 41 to succeed, but even as a handloader, it’s still a lot easier to find 357 and 44 cal bullets.
Ok,first of all,I want to say that with a little practice,hitting targets at extended ranges is not as hard as it seems.Been there,done that,busted a rock about double the size of a football,at 300 yards with a friends Dan Wesson on first shot,repeated the shot on one of the two pieces that it had broken into.My friend had dumped to cylinder full at that rock but kept missing.After I told him where to hold,he hit the other piece of that rock.Now,I had a Ruger Redhawk in 44 mag that I shot daily at 100 yards,so I did have a little edge there.The second thing I wish to say is,a friend of mine and I went to a store and bought two short run S&W 3in,round butt N frames.He bought the 44 mag,I bought the 41 mag.We went home,made up some hand loads,his 240 gr,mine 210 gr loads.Full charges of 2400 powder.We both shot our own guns a few times then switched up.He was pleasantly surprised at the controllability of the 41.I shot his 44 one handed and will say that it's the only handgun that I actually had to duck out of the way of.I love the 41,and would love to buy an older modern 57 with a six inch barrel on it,or even more of a holy Grail gun,a Ruger Redhawk in 41. Great show,keep up the good work.By the way,I'm 58 yrs old,so I grew up shooting many fine revolvers,and love them to this day.
Glad to finally hear about the .41mag! One point of clarification, even with modern 10mm loadings it is nowhere near the .41mag in performance. I have both, shoot Underwood ammunition through both, and the .41mag has the same energy at 100yds that the 10mm has at the muzzle.
I have a S&W model 57, 8 3/8 barrel, a Ruger Blackhawk with 4" barrel and after many years of searching for an older Marlin I bought a Henry lever action in 41 Magnum. There was only one .41 magnum but two loadings as explained in other comments here. I'm glad you brought up the .41 Magnum but a little more research beforehand would have gone a long way and avoided some confusion which is basically what happened to the cartridge when it first came out.
Same O as 35Whelen and 9.3X62. Basically the bullet weights they are loaded in is the only difference, Yet many swear up and down how much one is superior to the other.
There’s just not enough daylight between 357 and 44 to squeeze in another magnum between them. Plus, given a frame size, you can generally squeeze in an extra round of 357 vs 44, so…
Love shooting revolvers. .357 magnum is my all time favorite cartridge for revolvers. I also have a .44 magnum. When I first heard about the .41 mag I immediately thought "this has got to be underrated for deer."
I have a 357 and 44 too. A 44 actually.429 and the 41 mag a true .410, not much difference and 44 so much more ammo available with many different loading and u got 44 special u can use too. Does anyone still make 41's? Ammo availability is key to me wanting to own one. Give me common cartridge guns where ammo is more likely be available and be more reasonable
@swiftusmaximus5651 yeah I'm not buying a .41 anytime soon I heard about it maybe 5-6 years ago, but I work with a gentleman who owns one and absolutely swears by it for deer and while he lived in Florida he took several pigs with it. I am also limited to factory ammunition myself currently. But I like oddball cartridges and old military stuff so I find it interesting.
When the .41 mag came out it had two loads. A 215 grain lead SWC loaded to around 900 fps for police, similar to the 10mm lite loads today. A 210 grain jacked soft point loaded to 1300 fps for hunting. I got my first one one 1988 and have used them for handgun silhouette and hunting. It is by far my favorite revolver cartridge.
I'm a big fan of the .44 rem mag gentlemen. I currently have the Ruger Super Blackhawk stainless hunter and love it. This .41 rem mag has been in the back of my mind since I first read about it in my 1987 Speer reloading manual. Great cartridge talk fellas!
My grandfather had a colt SAA in 41 colt, so once I saw a used 41 mag s&w 57 nickel 4” at my local shop I had to have it. I was in my early 20’s but loved the cartridge since. The 41 caliber just reminds me of a different time. I have had several 41’s from ruger ,taurus,charter arms and s&w. I always know when I’m around knowledgable gun people when they know and understand what this caliber means and can do. In my 40’s now I realized why the guy at the shop looked at me funny when I bought that first 41 mag when everyone my age wanted a glock 19 9mm. How about a video on the 38-40 WCF next? The 41 mag of the old west!
The .41 was the 16 ga of handguns. They both had a lot to offer. Get your history straight and your frame sizes straight. S&W built the original .41s on the N frame just like the .44s and .45s back then.
Re 21:30 There isn't and never was a 41 S&W Special. Recently there is a 41 Special wildcat. The ammo in the ad was two different 41 Rem Mag loadings: A faster one for hunting and a slower one for LE.
There was a .41 brute the .41 mag came out Elmer was loading them really hot The execs at Remington were concerned that some of the older guns would be loaded with the new .41 that Elmer wanted made. He convinced them to Make the case longer so it could not be loaded in the older guns. That is the reason for the new guns. The Texas Rangers and U.S. Marshalls were carrying the older .41 and were out gunned.
The .41 Rem Mag is a great cartridge. It is very accurate and has always been loaded at two power levels. Loads at the .41 Special level of power have always been available. Loads with bullet weights from 175-265 grs. I have loved my 6.5” Ruger Blackhawk for 35 years. S&W could sell me an L frame .41 if they would make it.
You can buy shorter .41 Special headstamped brass today, but I’m not sure if anyone loads factory ammo. From inception to now, the 2 different power level loadings are normally found in the same length magnum case.
@stansbornak8116 now paying the price increase over let's say 357 44 or 6.5 and 308 ya ok sure not super cheap but still ballistically right there in many aspects
I was just talking to Ryan about doing a 358 talk, but I was pushing for the 358 STA and he said he's gonna get it on the schedule. 🤷 Like a glass coffin- remains to be seen.
@@SmartypantsMcChicken Maybe we can get a "358 Party Talk" including the Win, Norma and the STW. Would be long though cuz each one has a distinct story behind it.
I got a Ruger Blackhawk in 41 Mag a couple of years after a 357 Blackhawk Convertible; ammo was not hard to find in the '80s but was just starting up in reloading so have always made ammo for it. I could make practice loads as well as full power for hunting. It allowed me to stair step up to the 44 Mag; again being a reloader was key (to me) to enjoying it. Am still shooting the 41 (and the others) after 30+ years. I just wish I had gotten one of those Marlin 1894 carbines in 41 Mag back in the 2000s.
Mark if you ever get the chance read the book "Hell I was there" Elmer Keith It is out of print and cost a bit to aquire but well worth the read youu will not be sorry
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I am enjoying the holiday cartridge talks. In talking about the 41mag and 10mm, you neglected to mention another lead balloon. The 41AE came out in the mid 80's and was supposed to be an autoloader 41mag.
The 41 magnum is an N-Frame sized gun. They carry like the model 28 in 357 magnum, but they don't recoil as hard as a 44 magnum. 357 mag came out in the 30's, 41 came out in the 50's-60's.
My favorite revolver cartridge, I almost have 2. Bought a 657 with 6 in. barrel and decided it was a little large to carry so went looking for a 657 in a 3 in. barrel, when I went with the wife to pick it up she took one look at it sitting on the counter and said, "that one is mine". It has been her's ever since but i do have visitation rights.
While I was building my collection I started with a 357 magnum Blackhawk and then later added a Redhawk 44 magnum with a scope. At one point I almost bought a S&W 41 magnum but the ammo availability of the 44 won me over. I also have 9mm's, 45 acp's and even a 460 Rowland and a 7.62x25 but to date the only one I've taken a deer with is the Redhawk.
I have a 260gr hard cast for the 41 magnum in a Blackhawk 6.5" over 1500 fps. Yes its a serious bear load. Love the 57 too. Elmer was bigger than life!
Frame size of 38? No K or L frames made in .41 mag just N frame Also same case there was just a full power and a “police” load that was a bit lighter 210gr and 170gr I believe. Smith m58 was a fixed sight and m57 had the adjustable sights
I own 3 .41 magnum revolvers and they are excellent. Easily my favorite revolver cartridge. I've taken deer and boar with it. Effective on both. I took a 425 lb boar with one shot. The impact sounded like a baseball bat hitting a plastic 55 gallon barrel full of water. Instant stoppage. Easily as effective as the .44 magnum. If you are fortunate enough to hand load, the versatility of this cartridge really shines. Note that the diameter difference between a .44 magnum and a .41 magnum is only .02 inches. A .44 magnum bullet is .43 caliber. A .41 magnum bullet is .41 caliber. That .02 inch difference results in a stronger cylinder than the .44 magnum equivalent revolver. My next pickup will be the Henry .41 magnum lever action.
The first magnum I shot was a 657 in .41. If Marlin made a SBL in 41, I'd be in in a heartbeat. I said the same thing if they'd make the 1895 in a 44. 10 years and a company reacquisition later, I have one. 41 is cool. I was surprised you guys didn't mention the actual diameter of the .44 is actually .42. I thought that might have been a topic in the conversation.
To help cheer me up after my divorce in 1988, I purchased a Ruger Redhawk and a Marlin 1894, both in .41 Magnum. Really nice round in both firearms. Also, I remember reading an article about the same time written by Massad Ayoob about documented one-hit stops with various handgun calibers and cartridges. The Winchester. 41 magnum 178 grain Silvertip had an average expansion in the human body of .78".
As much as I wished the .41 had been available in a K or L frame Smith, alas it never happened. The only small frame that I’m aware of was the Taurus 5 shot model 415. Otherwise, I am a fan of the 41.
I have one of the Tauruses (Tauri?) and apparently got lucky, the quality is fairly good. Double action trigger isn't awesome, but overall, an excellent gun. I've been pestering Ruger for years to make a 5 shot .41 Mag GP100. I think it would be a fantastic combination. Sadly, they aren't paying attention to some random redneck living in NE Vermont.
I am a "User" LMAO!!!! I have the model 57 my father carried on the sheriff's office in the early 70"s. He did not suffer from "limp wrist syndrome" that hindered it's acceptance by Police.
Sales were so bad that during the 44 mag craze caused by the Dirty Harry movie. S&W made some model 57's as 44 magnums. Now that would a rare find for collectors.
There was no 41 special. However, reduced loads were common. Later a wildcat 41special became available much more recently. But reduced duty loads were sold to law enforcement. I was a Police Chief and Owned a Gun Shop in the 90’s, and provided all the agencies in my county with ammo. It’s been quite some time ago, but I think both loads were 210 grain with the lighter load just under or at 1000fps and the “mag” load at over 1400fps. The light load was every bit as controllable as hot 158gr loads in a lighter (M-19) Smith.
I'm suprised the .41 magnum has never been more popular or common. I've really only seen a few of them and always thought it was a really cool caliber.
357 was out for like 30 years when the 41 came out, and youre definitely not comparing a 41 mag to a 38spl in terms of frame size. Its still an N frame SW. The blackhawk could shoot a .41 magnum, so you can shave off 4 or 5 ounces compared to a .44 in a SBH.
I own and hunt with two Ruger Blackhawks in .41 Rem Mag. It is by far my favorite handgun hunting cartridge. I have handloaded for it since 1991. It has shown much versatility in being able to load up or down for different applications. Unlike the .44 Rem Mag, it is even fun to shoot at the range for extended periods. In my opinion, the .44 magnum is uncomfortable to shoot for very long. This cartridge offers great performance and controllability. I cannot recommend it highly enough.
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You guys' confusion at the end was part of the problem with the cartridge. The ads were all for .41 Magnum. Unlike the .44 Mag and .44 Special, there was only the .41 Magnum. The .41 Special is a later wildcat that was never SAAMI certified. It was the loading itself that was different. They had the full-house load (210 gr at 1400 fps) and the police load (210 gr at 950 fps). This created market confusion as people would think they were buying a good service revolver and end up with the magnum loads which were a handful or would get the police loads, which were a bit aenemic as hunting loads. Gunwriter John Taffin has a lot of good info on the cartridge you can look up.
Taffin’s writings are a great resource.
Load up to the heavy hard cast loads, especially 250 or 265 and it’s essentially equal to the 44mag.
Yes, confusion was part of the 41s demise, as a service weapon anyway. Police loadings were a 210 SWC at 900 fps and change out of the 4" Service Model 58. They were slow to get them out, so police often bought the full power 210 at 1,400 fps and complained that the recoil and muzzle blast were horrendous. News travels fast and very few departments chose the 41. Then the auto era started, and that was that.
Yea, I was very disappointed on their lack of knowledge about this great cartridge and I was looking forward to this cartridge talk for a long time. I think they rushed this one and it could have been a great one. The .41 mag just can't get the love it deserves, even on the Vortex Podcast...😂😂😂
@@anonymousf454 this sadly was a rush job for whatever reason. Just Comparing ballistic statistics among the 3 magnums out to 200 yards would have been a nice start. (Hint: 44 Magnum starts dropping fast). I just found a 2004 Outdoor Life article on Marlin 1894s chambered in .41 Magnum that applauded its accuracy, flat trajectory, and effectiveness. It was the first search item that came up for me “Marlin 1894 41 Magnum”. I love these guys but this was disappointing.
8:40 Sad that we are still being told that the 10mm Auto is the equal of a .41 Magnum. Nothing could be further from the truth.
You got that right. Show me a 10mm that throws a 210gr at 1450fps.
A big problem with 10mm is that factory ammo is loaded quite weak, its barely more than .40 s&w pressure, if you get the correct ammo, or reload for the 10mm it can be quite powerful and can come pretty darn close to .41 mag. The .40 s&w also suffers from a lot of weak factory ammo. As does .357 there are a few cartridges that suffer from mostly weak ammo, that's just one of the great things about reloading your own 🙂
@@wymonwatson1309 If you load the .41 Magnum to old SAAMI spec or modern CIL spec (44,000 psi) the 10mm Auto is not even close.
I was always told that the 10mm was supposed to be the 357 in auto form. This is the first time I've seen the 41 mag referenced.
@InWithBothFeet Are you sure you're other thinking of .357 sig? It's a .40 necked own to .357.
The first pistol I ever purchased was a Ruger Blackhawk in 6.5” barrel chambered in .41 Mag. Has always been favorite revolver cartridge.
That was my first handgun purchase as well
Here's a vote for a 10 minute talk on the 338-06.
@darinbarber2922 if they know as little about it as the 41 Magnum, how about they don't.
@@demetriuscooksey7147 Ryan owns a 338-06
Ohhhh, Ryan!! Ya let me down on this one, my man! They should've given you more of a heads-up on this one so you could re-familiarize yourself.
Back around 93 I had a Dan Wesson pistol pack in 41 mag.. 4, 6, and 8" full underlug barrels shadowed in a hard sided briefcase. There was a Dan Wesson belt buckle in there too.
Thanks! You answered my question about whether or not Dan Wesson revolvers ever were chambered in .41 Magnum. I already have a 744, a 715, and just got a 15-2 with 4” and 6” barrels. What was the model designation for the .41 Magnum? Were they made on Monson, Mass?
@@chipsterb4946 Can't remember. The only thing that sticks out is I think I remember it was when the Wesson family owned the company. I seem to recall that they sold it to someone else, then bought it back. My memory is pretty flaky though.
@chipsterb4946 yes they were made in Monson, it was the model 41/741. DW also produced the 414 super magnum.
I love Dan Wesson...
The .41 Magnum was introduced in 1964. Nine years after 44 Magnum and 29 years after the 357 Magnum. The 41 Magnum was never available in a Medium framed revolver comparable to the S&W K frames 38 Specials and 357 Magnums that were carried by police at the time. The M58 and M57 revolvers were large N framed models. The police load sadly gone today as it is a great starter load for the cartridge had ballistics of 1050 fps with the full power being 1500 fps from an 8 3/8 in barrel for the 210 gr. bullet. When test barrels were changed to 4 inches in the 80's ballistics changed to 965 fps and 1300 fps respectively. In 2003 Marlin introduced the lever action 1894FG chambered in 41 Magnum until it ended production in 2007.
Lipseys JUST came out with the first medium frame .41 mag revolver a few weeks ago. I really hope this cartridge picks back up!
I actually saw one of those Marlin's at a local shop and first found it hard to believe it was a 41, then stared at disbelief at the price- 2,400.00.
@@js7127 how long ago did you see that Marlin 1894FG for sale?
@@MrDereBearyes sir already have one on order.
@twl-s4q Thank you! Bunch of rookies did a podcast with no information other than a few printouts from the quick Google search they did 10 minutes before the show! BTW, I've owned one of the Marlin 1894FGs for about 15 years and it's one of my favorite guns. Got one mule deer, a badger, yote, and more rabbits and chucks than I can count. It shoots 210 XTPs at 1,900 fps and a 170 Sierra GK at 2,200 and change! Does not shoot 250+ grain bullets for beans though, with the 1/20" twist. The Henry would be better for heavies; if I remember right, they have a 1-16" twist.
This reminded me that I inherited a Ruger Blackhawk in 41 Rem Mag and some reloading dies for it DECADES ago and never even touched them; they're buried in the back of my gun safe and have been since I got them. I might have to get them out and take a look.
@DanielReyes-hz1qk it's possibly the best cartridge you own, and didn't even know it. Gotta be like finding a hundred dollar bill in your jacket pocket you didn't know you had! I'm jealous! 😂
Thank you guys. This has been my favorite cartridge for years. I used to be a 45 LC guy but the performance and comfort of 41 mag can't be beat.
Blasphemy! 🤬 Alright, I like my .41 Magnums as well but my favorites are the .45 Colt and .357 Magnum. If you reload you are just as well off with a .41 to be honest, but I won't admit it in mixed company!
I've got a S&W Model 57 and 657, and they are loads of fun. Put 21.9 gr of H110 behind a 210 gr bullet, and it makes fabulous fireballs with a 4" barrel
But, not mild recoil 😅
This cartridge ca.e in a N frame S&W. Most PD's carried a K frame 38. It was not the same size as most 38 pistols. The only exception would be the S&W heavy duty 38/44.
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Nobody believed Elmer Keith and his 400 and 600 yard revolver shooting, and he would invite you out to Idaho to watch!
I've got a Ruger 3 screw in .41 mag along with a just as old Marlin in .41 mag. Both are still going strong for deer and hogs.
Thanks for this, guys. I've carried a Ruger Blackhawk 4-5/8" in .41 Mag as a hunting sidearm for 40 years. I got it as an alternative to the Super Blackhawk 7-1/2" which was too much iron on my belt. It has served me well, placing "finish off" shots a couple times. Well done on the podcast.
I was camping in black bear country, really wanted a shorter black hawk in 44mag. Had to opt for the shorter 41mag and fell in love with it.
My 41 is a Ruger Blackhawk. It really is a beatiful cartridge. It has never had a scope mounted on it. As with all guns, you have to shoot it to be accurate. What I mean is, if it's been 6 months since I've fired it, I may be able to hit a 20 inch gong at 200 only twice. Right now, I can hit every shot at 200 yards on the gong. What say you about your Staccatto? If you can't make longer shots, you need to ptactice longer shots. I say Elmer Keith was a hell of a shooter with skills that far surpass mine. He definately was able to take a caribou at 400+ yards.
Another great show guys!
Seems like a lifetime ago, a co-worker while in the military had a .41 Rem Mag revolver for hunting. I did not get why he preferred the .41 as ,44 Rem Mag was also available. Now I get it. Awesome video.
Loving the holiday cartridge talks and the 41 Mag is phenomenal, but where's the love for 357 Magnum? You could even do a 38 Special/357 Magnum talk in one video!
I had the S&W Model 57. A very well-balanced cartridge.
Dec.26 2024 to date my grandson as taking his first 5 deer with the .41 mag. Made from a 410 shotgun . That round is not a slouch puts them down . His deer didn't run no farther than 25 yard.
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Great episode gentlemen. What I believe is an incredibly overlooked cartridge. You know what else is an overlooked cartridge ? The .358 !! That's why the dedicated Cartridge Talk fan base is so excited about the episode coming up specifically addressing this great lever gun cartridge !! WE are SO excited !!
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So now you are "The dedicated Cartridge Talk Fan Base"? LMAO!!! Gotta love your persistence though Jeff. I hereby dub thee President of the CTFB, all hail!!!! I do hope though we get a .358 something this season. I'm rootin for the Norma but the Win is a good one. Can I be VP??Lol
Dude?? What happened? This cannot be the end of cartridge talks so we still have hope. Hope all is good in your New Year and will see you soon on the next one. Best.........
Been reloading and shooting the 41 mag for 40 years, it is my favorite magnum revolver cartridge bar none. Everyone that I introduce the 41 to usually ends up buying their own due to the impressions that it makes on them.
That is hire I became a fan.
Skitt a freinds. 41 mag black hawk.
I looked fur years for one, found a red hawk but didn't like the looks. Bought a Taurus tracker .41 mag. 4" ported barrel. Throws flames like a dragon.
Ryan’s Eastwood was priceless. I’ve been shooting and carrying a snubnosed Ruger for years. Lots of muzzle blast but still very accurate and easy on the wrist… except for my reloads. As I get older, I may have to rethink that load. Love y’all’s shows
As a pro 2A guy late into the game. I absolutely soak up all these cartridge talk episodes.
I just inherited from my father who was a die hard S&W fanboy - a pristine S&W 57 with a 6 in barrel. It is fantastic. I also have the Dirty Harry 44 mag to go along with it. da trigger is very nice. I can pull it to just breaking and hold and with a few ounces more send it .
I still hunt with my T/C Encore Pro Hunter and I have a 12" .41 mag barrel on it and I've taken a lot of whitetail with it.
I own a 657. I love the cartridge. I will say that the .44 Magnum will do everything the .41 Magnum will and more. It's cool if you want to be different.
I owned a 57 a few years ago and still have a lot of brass for it. I want the 41 to succeed, but even as a handloader, it’s still a lot easier to find 357 and 44 cal bullets.
Ok,first of all,I want to say that with a little practice,hitting targets at extended ranges is not as hard as it seems.Been there,done that,busted a rock about double the size of a football,at 300 yards with a friends Dan Wesson on first shot,repeated the shot on one of the two pieces that it had broken into.My friend had dumped to cylinder full at that rock but kept missing.After I told him where to hold,he hit the other piece of that rock.Now,I had a Ruger Redhawk in 44 mag that I shot daily at 100 yards,so I did have a little edge there.The second thing I wish to say is,a friend of mine and I went to a store and bought two short run S&W 3in,round butt N frames.He bought the 44 mag,I bought the 41 mag.We went home,made up some hand loads,his 240 gr,mine 210 gr loads.Full charges of 2400 powder.We both shot our own guns a few times then switched up.He was pleasantly surprised at the controllability of the 41.I shot his 44 one handed and will say that it's the only handgun that I actually had to duck out of the way of.I love the 41,and would love to buy an older modern 57 with a six inch barrel on it,or even more of a holy Grail gun,a Ruger Redhawk in 41. Great show,keep up the good work.By the way,I'm 58 yrs old,so I grew up shooting many fine revolvers,and love them to this day.
Glad to finally hear about the .41mag! One point of clarification, even with modern 10mm loadings it is nowhere near the .41mag in performance. I have both, shoot Underwood ammunition through both, and the .41mag has the same energy at 100yds that the 10mm has at the muzzle.
It's by far my favorite revolver cartridge. I own an S&W 57, and a Ruger Blackhawk.
The 41 mags made by smith were n frames, same as the m29 in 44 mag. much bigger than k frame service revolvers
Are you guys planing on doing a vid on the 6mm Max? I love to hear your thoughts on it vs 6 Arc.
When I was 12, I was fortunate to shoot the .357, .41, and .44 on the same range day. The model 57 S&W is still my favorite 40 years later.
I have a S&W model 57, 8 3/8 barrel, a Ruger Blackhawk with 4" barrel and after many years of searching for an older Marlin I bought a Henry lever action in 41 Magnum. There was only one .41 magnum but two loadings as explained in other comments here. I'm glad you brought up the .41 Magnum but a little more research beforehand would have gone a long way and avoided some confusion which is basically what happened to the cartridge when it first came out.
When you take a .44 magnum, that is actually .429, and a .41 magnum , that is actually. 410, the difference is negligible.
Same O as 35Whelen and 9.3X62. Basically the bullet weights they are loaded in is the only difference, Yet many swear up and down how much one is superior to the other.
There’s just not enough daylight between 357 and 44 to squeeze in another magnum between them. Plus, given a frame size, you can generally squeeze in an extra round of 357 vs 44, so…
Love shooting revolvers. .357 magnum is my all time favorite cartridge for revolvers. I also have a .44 magnum.
When I first heard about the .41 mag I immediately thought "this has got to be underrated for deer."
I have a 357 and 44 too. A 44 actually.429 and the 41 mag a true .410, not much difference and 44 so much more ammo available with many different loading and u got 44 special u can use too. Does anyone still make 41's? Ammo availability is key to me wanting to own one. Give me common cartridge guns where ammo is more likely be available and be more reasonable
@swiftusmaximus5651 yeah I'm not buying a .41 anytime soon I heard about it maybe 5-6 years ago, but I work with a gentleman who owns one and absolutely swears by it for deer and while he lived in Florida he took several pigs with it.
I am also limited to factory ammunition myself currently. But I like oddball cartridges and old military stuff so I find it interesting.
If you compare bore sizes, the 41 mag is actually 410, a 44 mag is actually 429-430. They've much closer than people realize.
Yeah half way between the .357 and .44 is actually .395 (figured by cross sectional area)
When the .41 mag came out it had two loads. A 215 grain lead SWC loaded to around 900 fps for police, similar to the 10mm lite loads today. A 210 grain jacked soft point loaded to 1300 fps for hunting. I got my first one one 1988 and have used them for handgun silhouette and hunting. It is by far my favorite revolver cartridge.
I'm a big fan of the .44 rem mag gentlemen. I currently have the Ruger Super Blackhawk stainless hunter and love it. This .41 rem mag has been in the back of my mind since I first read about it in my 1987 Speer reloading manual. Great cartridge talk fellas!
My grandfather had a colt SAA in 41 colt, so once I saw a used 41 mag s&w 57 nickel 4” at my local shop I had to have it. I was in my early 20’s but loved the cartridge since. The 41 caliber just reminds me of a different time. I have had several 41’s from ruger ,taurus,charter arms and s&w. I always know when I’m around knowledgable gun people when they know and understand what this caliber means and can do. In my 40’s now I realized why the guy at the shop looked at me funny when I bought that first 41 mag when everyone my age wanted a glock 19 9mm. How about a video on the 38-40 WCF next? The 41 mag of the old west!
The .41 was the 16 ga of handguns. They both had a lot to offer. Get your history straight and your frame sizes straight. S&W built the original .41s on the N frame just like the .44s and .45s back then.
After 2 years of asking it was a joy to hear. Thanks you guys.
30 Carbine next?
Re 21:30 There isn't and never was a 41 S&W Special. Recently there is a 41 Special wildcat. The ammo in the ad was two different 41 Rem Mag loadings: A faster one for hunting and a slower one for LE.
There was a .41 brute the .41 mag came out
Elmer was loading them really hot
The execs at Remington were concerned that some of the older guns would be loaded with the new .41 that Elmer wanted made. He convinced them to Make the case longer so it could not be loaded in the older guns. That is the reason for the new guns.
The Texas Rangers and U.S. Marshalls were carrying the older .41 and were out gunned.
The .41 Rem Mag is a great cartridge. It is very accurate and has always been loaded at two power levels. Loads at the .41 Special level of power have always been available. Loads with bullet weights from 175-265 grs. I have loved my 6.5” Ruger Blackhawk for 35 years. S&W could sell me an L frame .41 if they would make it.
You can buy shorter .41 Special headstamped brass today, but I’m not sure if anyone loads factory ammo. From inception to now, the 2 different power level loadings are normally found in the same length magnum case.
Well it’s not a gas gun but it is a cartridge I love. You love it or you don’t care. The magnum no one asked for but it’s stellar.
.41 is to the pistol world what 7mm-08 is to the rifle world... if you know, you know.
You know you can't get ammo!
@stansbornak8116 i can find 41 mag very easily same with 7-08
@stansbornak8116 now paying the price increase over let's say 357 44 or 6.5 and 308 ya ok sure not super cheap but still ballistically right there in many aspects
No. The 7mm-08 is amazing! The .41 is dead. Can't even buy in Oz AFAIK.
Can we please get a cartridge talk on 358 Winchester or possibly a lead balloon?
I was just talking to Ryan about doing a 358 talk, but I was pushing for the 358 STA and he said he's gonna get it on the schedule. 🤷 Like a glass coffin- remains to be seen.
@@SmartypantsMcChicken Maybe we can get a "358 Party Talk" including the Win, Norma and the STW. Would be long though cuz each one has a distinct story behind it.
@js7127 don't think I wouldn't watch and rewatch it. 🤣 IMHO their talks aren't long enough.
Ryan at 6:18: "Remember what Dirty Harold said..."
I got a Ruger Blackhawk in 41 Mag a couple of years after a 357 Blackhawk Convertible; ammo was not hard to find in the '80s but was just starting up in reloading so have always made ammo for it. I could make practice loads as well as full power for hunting. It allowed me to stair step up to the 44 Mag; again being a reloader was key (to me) to enjoying it. Am still shooting the 41 (and the others) after 30+ years. I just wish I had gotten one of those Marlin 1894 carbines in 41 Mag back in the 2000s.
Ryan you need to read Elmer Keith's book "Hell I Was There!"
The best show explaining the world’s greatest and not. So great cartridges !!👍🇺🇸
.41 Magnum is the Goldilocks of revolver cartridges. Easy to shoot, kills game well and adequately accurate!
Would love a cartridge talk on 22 hornet
Well I dont care much about revolvers but what a great carbine round.
Jim is right about saying Merry Christmas.
Ive never heard of this!! Thank you for introducing me to yet another cool cartridge.
I like the 41mag. Own a couple of them.
I’ve used 357mag and 44mag on deer. Thought the 41 would be perfect but just haven’t used it yet 😂
Mark if you ever get the chance read the book "Hell I was there" Elmer Keith It is out of print and cost a bit to aquire but well worth the read youu will not be sorry
I had it but lost it in the divorce
It is a great read!
Merry Christmas!!
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I'm begging you guys to do a cartridge talk on 30-378 Weatherby
I am enjoying the holiday cartridge talks. In talking about the 41mag and 10mm, you neglected to mention another lead balloon. The 41AE came out in the mid 80's and was supposed to be an autoloader 41mag.
The 41 magnum is an N-Frame sized gun. They carry like the model 28 in 357 magnum, but they don't recoil as hard as a 44 magnum. 357 mag came out in the 30's, 41 came out in the 50's-60's.
I had one in the Ruger Blackhawk. Loved it. Too old to shoot one now. Leon
My favorite revolver cartridge, I almost have 2. Bought a 657 with 6 in. barrel and decided it was a little large to carry so went looking for a 657 in a 3 in. barrel, when I went with the wife to pick it up she took one look at it sitting on the counter and said, "that one is mine". It has been her's ever since but i do have visitation rights.
While I was building my collection I started with a 357 magnum Blackhawk and then later added a Redhawk 44 magnum with a scope. At one point I almost bought a S&W 41 magnum but the ammo availability of the 44 won me over. I also have 9mm's, 45 acp's and even a 460 Rowland and a 7.62x25 but to date the only one I've taken a deer with is the Redhawk.
Cleaning up my nickeled 1985 6 inch Model 57 while watching. Honestly one of the best revolvers I own, and I prefer its trigger over my Python.
Or you could go old school, "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year"😁
.357’s big sister. .44 mag’s little brother. Totally a TRANSitional cartridge. 😊
This one's got everything:
-Taking shots at .40 S&W Long
-Taking shots at the $3000 belgian plastic AR-18
-An actually good cartridge
What can I say I've had just about every pistol caliber there is, 41 magnum is still my favorite.😊
.41 Magnum is a special one. If you understand it even a little it will serve you well.
I have a 260gr hard cast for the 41 magnum in a Blackhawk 6.5" over 1500 fps. Yes its a serious bear load. Love the 57 too. Elmer was bigger than life!
I wish they still produced revolvers in 41 mag. I would love to have one. One of my many dream guns
They do. Ruger and S&W both produce them currently.
@@twl-s4q As does Freedom Arms
Frame size of 38? No K or L frames made in .41 mag just N frame
Also same case there was just a full power and a “police” load that was a bit lighter 210gr and 170gr I believe.
Smith m58 was a fixed sight and m57 had the adjustable sights
I own 3 .41 magnum revolvers and they are excellent. Easily my favorite revolver cartridge. I've taken deer and boar with it. Effective on both. I took a 425 lb boar with one shot. The impact sounded like a baseball bat hitting a plastic 55 gallon barrel full of water. Instant stoppage. Easily as effective as the .44 magnum.
If you are fortunate enough to hand load, the versatility of this cartridge really shines. Note that the diameter difference between a .44 magnum and a .41 magnum is only .02 inches. A .44 magnum bullet is .43 caliber. A .41 magnum bullet is .41 caliber. That .02 inch difference results in a stronger cylinder than the .44 magnum equivalent revolver.
My next pickup will be the Henry .41 magnum lever action.
The first magnum I shot was a 657 in .41. If Marlin made a SBL in 41, I'd be in in a heartbeat. I said the same thing if they'd make the 1895 in a 44. 10 years and a company reacquisition later, I have one. 41 is cool. I was surprised you guys didn't mention the actual diameter of the .44 is actually .42. I thought that might have been a topic in the conversation.
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Mark, here is your reminder to get a suppressor. Also, 338 arc next please.
To help cheer me up after my divorce in 1988, I purchased a Ruger Redhawk and a Marlin 1894, both in .41 Magnum. Really nice round in both firearms. Also, I remember reading an article about the same time written by Massad Ayoob about documented one-hit stops with various handgun calibers and cartridges. The Winchester. 41 magnum 178 grain Silvertip had an average expansion in the human body of .78".
I just got one from a friend a few months ago. I love it. This from a 44 mag guy
Probably the gun I regret getting rid of the most. I fine cartridge but hard to find ammo around here
As much as I wished the .41 had been available in a K or L frame Smith, alas it never happened. The only small frame that I’m aware of was the Taurus 5 shot model 415. Otherwise, I am a fan of the 41.
I have one of the Tauruses (Tauri?) and apparently got lucky, the quality is fairly good. Double action trigger isn't awesome, but overall, an excellent gun. I've been pestering Ruger for years to make a 5 shot .41 Mag GP100. I think it would be a fantastic combination. Sadly, they aren't paying attention to some random redneck living in NE Vermont.
I am a "User" LMAO!!!! I have the model 57 my father carried on the sheriff's office in the early 70"s. He did not suffer from "limp wrist syndrome" that hindered it's acceptance by Police.
.41 Rem Mag is my fav revolver cardrige. So versatile cardrige.
I have a model 57 S&W in 41mag. And a S&W mountain in 41mag awesome round, i definitely prefer it over the 44 and smaller calibers .
Sales were so bad that during the 44 mag craze caused by the Dirty Harry movie. S&W made some model 57's as 44 magnums. Now that would a rare find for collectors.
I want to go to sleep listening to the velvet tones of Mr. Ryan Muckenhirn reading the latest edition of Cartridges of the world.
I also have a 295 gr hard cast load that really hits hard
There was no 41 special. However, reduced loads were common. Later a wildcat 41special became available much more recently. But reduced duty loads were sold to law enforcement. I was a Police Chief and Owned a Gun Shop in the 90’s, and provided all the agencies in my county with ammo. It’s been quite some time ago, but I think both loads were 210 grain with the lighter load just under or at 1000fps and the “mag” load at over 1400fps. The light load was every bit as controllable as hot 158gr loads in a lighter (M-19) Smith.
You guys got a picture of George Conztnga on the shelf. Put that on the table and have Mark talk like him when he reads the next brochure
After I bought a 357 and fired a 44 Mag a 41 seemed like maybe a sweet spot recoil wise plus I like the big pistol bang on occasion .
talk about the 9.3x62!
Sure like to hear your thoughts on the 6.5 prc. Here to stay? Or a flash in the pan?
I'm suprised the .41 magnum has never been more popular or common. I've really only seen a few of them and always thought it was a really cool caliber.
The 460 Magnum is a modern 41 Magnum... that is to say, not that popular, but pretty impressive.
357 was out for like 30 years when the 41 came out, and youre definitely not comparing a 41 mag to a 38spl in terms of frame size. Its still an N frame SW. The blackhawk could shoot a .41 magnum, so you can shave off 4 or 5 ounces compared to a .44 in a SBH.
I own and hunt with two Ruger Blackhawks in .41 Rem Mag. It is by far my favorite handgun hunting cartridge. I have handloaded for it since 1991. It has shown much versatility in being able to load up or down for different applications. Unlike the .44 Rem Mag, it is even fun to shoot at the range for extended periods. In my opinion, the .44 magnum is uncomfortable to shoot for very long. This cartridge offers great performance and controllability. I cannot recommend it highly enough.
Of course every real gun guy knows the S&W 57, 58, and 657 are N frame revolvers, not 38 frame.
Come on guys. Your expert….is not.
Model 57 and 58 are both N frame so same size as 44 mag ...DO YOUR HOMEWORK....