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- Fast, flat, fits in an AR-15, great for long range shooting, an absolute predator pounder, and light recoiling. The 22 ARC lives up to its name of Advanced Rifle Cartridge. So, do you need one? Listen and find out.
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I wait all year just for these cartridge talks! Can we get a 22 hornet talk?
My favorite night time hunting round!
Yes!!!
22 hornet needs more coverage
toy remember decades ago was a common fox pelt taker.
I second this!!! And to make it more awesomer even….. make it a dual talk, cover 22 Hornet and 218 Bee in the same talk!!!! 😁
Christmas day 2024, I killed an eight points buck with a .22 ARC and a 70 grains CX bullet. Neck shot facing me 192 yards, bang- flop, fell dead
Dang, sounds like an Awesome day! What was the weather like?
Okay, how do you guys manage to be psychic? I was just thinking yesterday that I would like to see a 22 arc 10 minute cartridge talk. I'm glad it's more than 10 minutes!
Thank goodness someone finally mentioned the PPC when discussing the ARC family. The 6arc is an almost direct copy of the PPC, and nobody acknowledged it as if Hornady came up with it on their own.
Not really. Two entirely different cartridges using similar cases. The 6mm PPC is specialized for 100 - 200 yard shooting with relatively light, flat-based bullets and has a much slower twist. It's CIP specs call for 1-in-12", but, in competition, as slow as 1-15" is often used. The 6 ARC was optimized for 600 - 1000 yard shooting with heavier bullets. It has a faster twist barrel and more freebore, allowing better stabilization of higher-BC bullets. The longer freebore also allows more of the bullet to project from the case, reducing encroachment on powder.
@@jfess1911Those are all rifle specifications. The cartridge itself is essentially identical.
@@markcarew6724 It depends on how much you want to pick nits. The cases are close but not interchangeable. The shoulder of the 6 ARC is farther forward (1.1207" vs 1.0748"), and its case is longer ( 1.49" vs 1.36"). The 6 ARC was designed to work in an AR15 at a max pressure of 52,000 psi vs the PPC in a bolt gun at 58,700psi (using the CIP measuring method).
The 6 ARC was, in point of fact, developed by Hornady pushing the shoulder of a necked-down 6.5 Grendel case back 0.03". Hornady had been making Grendel and not PPC cases, so they used what they had. The 6.5 Grendel case itself was developed by Lapua as a 6.5mm variation of the PPC with the shoulder pushed forward slightly. The 22 ARC uses just the necked-down Grendel case, FWIW.
Allow me to help Mark make a decision on which ARC to get. BUY A SUPPRESSOR FIRST!
Make sure it’s 338 bore too
YES!!!!
I know I'm not the first to say this, but I love the 1 hour "10 minuet talk"
Hehe, love it!
The 22ARC has been my new favorite gun for a while. I built one with a 22" Ballistic Advantage barrel that shoots 0.25 MOA groups all day long. It has a rifle +1 gas tube length which I believe may be part of the magic. It is a coyote destroyer and great for bobcats too out to 400 yards no problem. I find it hard to believe that in all the talk in this "10 minute talk" that the 22-250 was never mentioned. I have shot most of the factory loads to get brass to reload. My reloads have been from the Hornady 90 grain AMAX all the way down to the 40 grain VMAX. I am getting 4050 fps out of the 40 gr VMAX with no pressure signs and still tiny little groups. Compare that to the 22-250 with 40 grainers at 4100-4200 fps, it's not bad at all and all in an ar15 form factor. You have to step up to the AR10 to run the 22-250 which is a LOT heavier when you are trying to varmint hunt (still great but heavy esp. when the can is attached). The 22 ARC is just a pleasure to shoot. No recoil to speak of and I can put pretty much anyone behind it and they can hit targets at distance easily. I try not to be a fan boy of any new cartridge but this one has the right amount of everything. I know the 22PPC has been around for nearly 50 years and the cartridge dimensions are almost exactly the same, but the available barrels with high twist rates aren't available unless you are building custom stuff.
Yes the 224 Valkerie does close to the same thing, but the ammo at times is even harder to find.
As for the mags, I haven't had any problems with feed issues. I use 6.5 grendal mags or 7.62x39 AR mags. No real problems, but I am not running 20 rounders either. I stick to the 10 round versions.
Just my 2-cents.
I’m in the process of building a 22 arc gasser. I was gonna save up for a proof barrel, but after seeing your comment I may gamble on BA barrel and get it completed sooner. Thanks for the info!
BA barrel s are no gamble they are great my 22 arc is punching a dime hole in 5 shots at a hundred. Good luck brother you will love the build.
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@ Damn, that’s good to hear! Y’all are definitely making me feel more confident with going the BA route. Thank you tho, she’s gonna turn out sick once she’s done!
Mark deserves a golden microphone for that singing performance
Hoping Santa brings us a 300 Savage cartridge talk, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year guys.
👍
Wish I could find a savage 99 in 300.
try a remington model 8 in 300 sav
Made me question what planet Mark was from when he asked if anybody had heard of the 6ppc, LOL!!! Must say hats off, that was a thorough talk, chock full of pertinent info.
I’ve never seen a 6 ppc in the wild. I think there are so many cartridges we forget how rare some oddballs are.
I see your point about the 22 arc is, a 22-250 here in Kentucky 300 to 400 yard shots about the most you’ll get so I’ll stay with 22-250 but you make a good argument
I get where you're coming from, I would like to get a fast twist 22-250 barrel myself but I get 3140 feet per second with a 70 grain TSX loaded with temperature stable powder in my 22 ARC. You have to admit 22 ARC gets pretty close to 22-250.
22 creedmoor
No more high end brass for 22-250 anymore
Alpha brass is what Gavin at ultimate reloader used to push his 308 win to 105k psi to get 300 win mag performance out of a 308.
I look at it like this... its a 22-250AI in an AR15 rifle that can do even more. Personally I've been hunting with a 6.5 Grendel for several years then started tinkering with the 6ARC about a year ago and i just ordered everything for a 22ARC about a week ago because I really cant help myself. I love playing with cartridges in this size range and honestly they've all shot phenomenally well.
Absolutely love my 6mm arc. Just running hornady factory 108 gr. ELDM and my rifle seems to like it. Performed very well on my deer this season at 262 yd.
I came to your channel to comment on the latest episode to ask for a breakdown of the differences between 22 arc and 224 Valkyrie and I stumbled upon a brand new video drop on the 22 arc. Let's see if you address this question I have pondering
I got my dad into a .22 ARC in the Ruger American Gen 2. He absolutely loves it. First time out, sighting in. 3rd shot was lights out. 4th shot went through hole 3. 88gr.
I shot 0.610 group at 500 meters with my 7 twist .22 PPC and 75 gr Berger VLDs 23 December. The velocities are at 2900 from a 25.5 inch barrel using VV N-135 and F205M ignition. The reason the .22 PPC is superior the .22 ARC is because the neck is longer and I can partially resize the neck, centering the cartridges when pushing them into the chamber. The longer neck also will extend barrel throat life. The second reason I prefer the PPC case is that I can use the Redding Competition Shell Holders to match the amount of shoulder push from my die to my chamber. Also there are several manufacturers that make outstanding PPC cases available to handloaders. I shoot mostly Norma and Lapua cases so far but Alpha PPC cases just won a 600 yard NBRSA National at the same club range I belong to.
About 10 years ago I worked with a customer on necking down 6 Haggar brass to 22 for light bullets. 12 twist 22" bbl AR platform running a 60gr V-Max at an honest 3800 at mag length. 220 SG Howler (JGS). The 22 Thunderbolt and another were Highpower comp heavy bullet versions with a longer throat, this had a standard match 223 lead. I am going to have to build an upper in 22 ARC for coyote hunting I reckon. Thanks Again Guys
Another great cartridge talk. However, i have two glaring issues.
The first is regarding your early points regarding velocity. The biggest design difference between the 22 ARC and 6 ARC (other than bullet diameter, obviously) is case length. 22 ARC is a necked down 6.5 Grendel, while 6 ARC has been trimmed down to accommodate high BC bullets without affecting COAL. So, 22 ARC should have higher velocity, as it uses a bigger case.
Secondly, how did you manage to have a 55-minute conversation about 22 ARC-a intermediate .224 calibre AR15 compatible cartridge -and not once compared it to 224 Valkyrie, which is basically the exact same thing, only using a 6.8 SPC base instead of 6.5 Grendel?
Because valk died within a year because federal sucks
@RCx44 I've seen enough 224 Valk AR uppers, complete ARs, and bolt action on the market to suspect that's not quite true.
Regardless, even if its not popular anymore, I'd wager viewers are much more likely to have knowledge of 224 Valk than they are 6 ARC, seeing as it's almost as new as 22 ARC, which is the only cartridge they kept comparing to.
The idea that people know more about 224 vs 6arc is laughable. The 22 arc is a year old and 6arc came out in 2020.
The Valkyrie was killed by problems that plagued it from launch.
Happy Holidays?!?!?!?
Baaaaah Humbug.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
I shot highpower for years, cool to hear you guys mention it!
Keep cartridge talks up it’s the best podcast per caliber show 🎉🎉❤
Just built an ar in 22arc I’m so on board love it
I remember a gunwriters article about the super short Magnums when they come out comparing them to a C battery with a bullet stuck on top. This one reminds me of a CR123 battery with a bullet stuck on top lol.
I would enjoy the talk on the "forgotten" 22 calibers. 22 Hornet, 218 Bee, 219 Zipper, 221 Fireball, 224 Varmint Master, 225 Winchester, 22 Remington Jet, 22 Savage Hi Power, 22 Nosler, etc!
Same results as my 6.5 Grendel with CFE 223 1/4 to 1/2 moa on ladder powder charge testing. I'm using a 20-inch Odin works Gas build and it is my go-to deer rifle now... In my testing my most accurate weapons are all AR-15 builds.
And I second the fact that Alpha brass can be run HARD. For safety reasons I'd never recommend it of course, but it's pretty awesome
I have listened to about 15 10min talks today and in one of those you mentioned the 7.82 warbird for a 30 cal cartridge. You were thrown off by the metric designation. It is simple if you convert .30 caliber to metric, you get 7.62. Convert the diameter of bore with lands cut to 308, you get 7.82mm. All of their other calibers follow the same format.
In my state, the 22 arc only has a place in varmint and target shooting. We have a 24 cal min for medium and large game. So the 6 arc is becoming an extremely popular choice here for small lightweight deer rifles. I personally have a 24in gas gun in 6 arc for target shooting, and I just finished assembling a lightweight howa 1500 mini for my deer rifle next season.
If all you have is a 556 suppressor, then get a 22 arc bolt gun and take full advantage of the compact quiet package you can create.
22ARC is essentially what the Russians wanted with the 5.45 IMO Love my 6ARC and excited for a 338ARC build next
Funny thing is they had it. Russia developed a 5.6x39 that was a necked down 7.62x39.
Although there are some cartridges that seem generally more accurate and easy to tune than others, I think that chamber design is a big part of that, especially the length of parallel freebore. Part of this is the constraint of fitting into an AR15 with a COAL of only 2.26". The freebore of the .22 ARC is 0.2245" diameter and 0.1314" long.... that is over half a caliber in length and more than 5 times longer than the 223 Rem. It is also much longer than the 0.09" run of freebore in the 6 ARC. To normalize, the section of parallel freebore of the 22 ARC is 59% of the bullet caliber vs only 37% for the 6 ARC. To give a little more perspective, the 6.5 Creedmoor, which is known to be fairly easy to load for, has 0.1992 inches of parallel freebore, or 75% of bullet caliber. The 6mm Creedmoor also has 75% freebore. The 6.5 PRC, 7 PRC and 300 PRC are also all have freebore with a length of over 70% the bullet dia.
It is important to note that these long freebores are for use with long-for caliber, boat-tailed bullets. Shorter, and flatbase bullets seem to do fine with shorter sections of freebore. The PPC is optimized for those, with freebore often 0.060" long. I have read that a rule of thumb for the PPC is to jam a bullet and make certain that the base is less than halfway up the neck.
I have watched every cartridge talk and I have never been more disappointed. I am so dying to build a 22 arc and wanted to know more about it. Origin, loadings, game to grain/bullet pairings... This whole episode was referencing the 6 arc, that they're very similar, and the big guy's competition history. I learned nothing new about the cartridge. Love vortex nation, but this episode is a lead balloon
The Hornady podcast would be more for origin. But I agree no comparison to the Valkyrie or 22-250. I’ve noticed even during the 6 arc podcast, the Valkyrie was glossed over. That said, the Valkyrie had already fallen before the 22 arc’s arrival.
I was wondering when we would see this. Its about time. Merry belatted Christmas!!
Would love to hear a 10 minute talk on the 300 savage. Particularly as a comparison with 308 and 30-30 in a hunting application. Gotta decide on what the perfect savage 99 rifle would be!
This might be the only caliber that has come down the pipe in a while that I might actually think about trying.
Try the duramag ARC mags. They are 1/4 the cost of the geissele mags and they run flawlessly through my 6 and 22 arcs
One of the negatives of the .22 ARC has nothing to do with the cartridge, but has to do with the fact that many states won't let you hunt big game with a .22 caliber rifle.
My 2025 Christmas wish is to be on this pod cast for next year. I can tell you guys are juiced on this one. I will agree with the cartridge inherent accuracy. My 204 Ruger was boringly simple to shoot dots during load development, if you subtract the pierced cci400s. Oops, rookie mistake. The 6.5 Grendel shoots everything into 3/4 moa. Nothing worse and almost nothing better.
Awesome content, how about an episode on the 30-40 Krag?
Merry Christmas!
Ol Scott is full of cartridge wisdom.
Always good to see Scott on the podcast 👌
Thank you Sir! Always good to be seen!
Vortex needs a Scott's corner to line up with Jayden at hornady
Unitah Precision out of Utah makes a .22 ARC bolt action upper for you AR. 20” barrel, guaranteed 1” or better at 100yd.
I got the Ruger American 22 ARC hands down my favorite caliber and I have a lot, beats out me 22 nosler !
To answer your question, the Sierra 210, 220 and 230 all hit well above .550 G1. The 230 is a .800 G1.
Of course with bullets like that, the G1 ballistic formula starts being kind of crap and G7 really should be used for more accurate prediction of trajectory. For that 230, the calculated G1 is going to be wildly different at 3000fps vs 2000fps vs 1000 fps.
I watched a Hornady video just a few days ago where they said the 22 arc was based off of the 6.5 Grendel.
If you're neck down 6.5 Grendel it becomes the perfect overall length for 22 ARC without any trimming
Uses the same headspace gauges too. 6arc is actually shorter and has it's own gauges
I wish they'd mentioned it in the video, as it's the most obvious explanation for their conversation about 22 ARC being faster than 6 ARC.
Of course it does. It's got a longer case and higher case capacity. That's normal.
Time for a cartridge talk on the Weatherby 338 RPM - the best 22 competitor there is!
Well well well. I just built a lower, a 22 ARC and a 6 ARC upper so this will be VERY interesting comparisons.
I also picked up a Howa Mini 6 ARC with the heavier barrel. The reloading manuals claim 30 % less powder from 6ARC to 243 with only a 100 fps velocity loss. If that bears out that will make the 243 and 6 Creed obsolete.
My 95gr cx in 6arc has been a giant dropper since I built my rifle right feeds great runs smooth 30.3gr of staball match and let em fly
Uggghhh…now I need another one. Very very cool. Missed the 6mm as I was already fully vested in my Grendels.
They're saying the 22 ARC bullets are all higher BC than an equivalent 6mm ARC. The first three I looked at - ELD-X, CX and ELD Match - are higher in 6 ARC than 22. ELD-X: .224 80gr G1 .485 vs 6mm 103gr G1 .512. CX: .224 70gr .392 vs 6mm 90gr .418. ELD Match: .224 88gr G1 .545 vs. 6mm 109gr G1 .585.
What am I missing? I guess it makes sense you could get higher velocity in 22 ARC since it seems to have higher case capacity and lighter bullets, but this BC advantage - I don't see it.
Coming straight from Hornady Load Data for Bolt guns:
22 ARC 88 grain ELD Match = G1 0.545, SD 0.251
22 ARC 90 grain ELD Match = G1 0.585, SD 0.256
Max Pressure Velocities = 2,950fps (24" barrel)
6MM ARC
108 grain ELD Match = G1 0.536, SD 0.261. Max Pressure velocity = 2850fps (24" Barrel)
There is no load data for the 109 you speak of.
@@jonathane8585the 90gr you list is an A-Tip Match, not an ELD Match. There may not yet be load data for the 109gr 6mm but they do show it on their site as a new 6mm bullet. And if you want to include the A-Tip Match for comparison, the 6mm 110gr A-Tip Match has a G1 of 0.604 so it again beats the 22 ARC.
What 22 ARC does Geissele make? He's talking about Geissele having their 22 ARC gas system dialed in. And the groups he's talking about - how many shots in each group?
Id like to see some of that data Steve has. I just put together a 22arc upper. I converted 6.5g starline brass but haven't loaded it yet. Awesome talk and very timely for me.
I'm more interested in 6.5 Grendel. the longest hunting shot I have here in SE Georgia is 350 yards on a recent clear cut by a creek.
I'm much moreso interested in the 6ARC, but i can appreciate that this has a niche that im just not really a part of.
My sole interest in either cartridge is basically to be an improvement on the MK12 design with a better cartridge. Something that I can reliably get acceptable accuracy out to 700-ish yards with more "oomph" than any 5.56 loading can offer (with factory ammo), and between the two the 6 does that particular job better.
An 18" upper with something like a 2-12 or 3-18 class optic would be absolute money as long as it's acceptably accurate.
Merry Christmas!
In Newfoundland we're restricted to 22 cal rifles for coyote hunting. Something "blah blah, moose poaching blah blah" in the law. This looks like a great cartridge for song dogs here.
Nice video! I tried listening to the podcast and the audio was dreadful, unsure why. One guys was loud the other was super low.
Maybe the missed turned up? Sounds good here though…
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I’m 3/3 for deer this season with the 6 ARC. Howa will have 22 ARCs coming in 2025. Decisions.
I am a Grendel guy, but this 22 ARC is starting to make me think about another barrel. btw ten minutes seems to be like an hour 😂
I tried for a decade to really like 6.5 Grindle. I owe many. I want to love 6ARC and 22ARC but the simple truth is nothing gets a flatter trajectory then 6.5 Creedmoor and it has a dramatically wider range of projectile options and you can absolutely get a 6.5 Creedmoor gas gunthat is similar in size and weight to a 22 arc gasket.
Can we please get a cartridge talk on 358 Winchester or a lead balloon?
I love they are expanding the ARC line, but I think I'd still stick to the 6 ARC for a do everything well kind of gun. The 22 seems great but a little more restrictive in purpose. And for a funds limited builder that appeals more to me. Also expansion diameter is important 🤷♂️
Depends on what you want to do with the round you are shooting.
Yes, the football would move in a parabolic path through the air, like a Valkyrie. Like 224 Valkyries.
So, how long until we get the .17 Arc with a 40 grain bullet?…..
Merry Christmas and happy new year to you all.
Every trip to the range, I bring home a good amount of free 556/223 brass for reloading for a 223 bolt rifle. I haven't seen any 22 arc brass laying around, yet 🤔
Because we all pick up our Brass to reload it. We take the boxes home too.
And you won't find any for while.
Maybe scrounge for 6.5Grendel brass and work with that.
A buddy asked a guy at the range for an empty to put in his cartridge display. Answer was, it was a matched set so.....No.LOL!!
@@js7127 that's hilarious. 🤣😂🤣
Im planning on building a 6 arc in 2025 for coyotes and maybe deer/antelope if I feel like it. For coyotes I'm definitely using the 80 gr vt match they got for it because its got the velocity for flat shooting on the dogs and the ballistics with 3000 fps(box velocity) it will do good at range. Would probably run the 103 eldx if i decide to hunt deer or antelope though. Cool cartridges, the 6 arc just seems to fit what i want better. 308 capabilities in a low recoil small frame gasser
6mm arc is nice in gas gun .i found out you need to krimp case to hold bullet ..
I've found the same. Other thing that works, but I don't like it as much, is using a smaller bushing die to increase neck tension
Yup did that too..They say alpha ocd brass holds bullets better than starline and hornady brass ..
@@garageliving3658just chuck your stem and expander in a drill, take some 120-180ish sandpaper and polish off a few thou. Finish up with some steel wool to get it really polished and shiny. Obviously if you already have the neck bushings then no need, but this option is free and can be done with a standard die. I had to do this with my hornady 22 arc die, as it was only giving me about 1 thou of tension.
7.5 Swiss let's go!!!
I’d like your thoughts on the 6PPC.
The question then becomes how long until other ammo manufacturers take up the ARC’s for production?
HSM is loading 6mm ARC now
@ wohoo! I’ll go look them up, thanks
I believe AAC is considering 338 ARC in the future
@@AlexMackensen-x7j just 338?
We need a Scott's corner on the Vortex podcast 🤔🤔
I have both and have shot/ reloaded hundreds of rounds.
The 224 valkyrie is the better round. It loads out better.
Hornady had a habit of screwing with the data to make their rounds look better. The 6.8 spc is an example. They show the rounds shooting out of a 16" barrel. Most rounds are shown shooting out of a 24" barrel. It has been proven that the 120 grain load out of a 20" barrel shoots at 2660 mv but Hornady makes it looks like the 6.8 only shoots at 2460 on the box and in the reloading manual. At 2660 mv, the 120 sst has over 800 fpe at 450 yds. With a 25 yd zero, it zeros at over 200 yds. That makes it the best in the AR 15 platform.
Which barrel manufacturer is Scott testing with?
please talk about the 9.3x62!
What's the most efficient cartridge in each caliber?
For 7mm, I think it's the SAUM. It would have the most energy at 500 yards per grain of powder.
Great video, any chance of a 9.3x62/9.3x74r video?
The Hornady podcast that was referred to it was said the original name was 22 Coyote.
Have you guys done one of these on 6.5PRC yet?
Can we get a head to head 7PRC vs 300 wsm
How much difference from the 243 wssm
As soon as a bullet leaves a target, the excess energy is simply a tracking device.
64 TGK that Sierra doesn't like to make is a coyote anchor in the 22 Grend/ARC
I have a 23 inch barrelled 6.5 Grendel gas gun and a 20 inch barrelled 223 bolt gun I use for varmint and predator hunting. SUPER interested in a 20 inch barrelled 22 ARC gas gun and maybe even an lightweight bolt gun since I have an action with a spare bolt in the appropriate bolt face for it
Unless your a varmint/coyote hunter I would think the 6mm ARC is going to fill so many more roles and be legal for more game. It would have more ft lbs energy and a very slippery bullet and many brand and weights to pick from which is usually more economical. If all your hunting is varmints and coyotes and target shooting maybe a 22ARC is your caliber. I would still use 6 ARC for all those and be able to shoot up to deer sized game personally. Its is cool to see how accurate it is for target shooters however in 22ARC.
Got a question for Ryan. I am a fan of the Barnes TTSX and the Sierra TGK for performance. I do reload, but on my new 7MM PRC Build I am running the Federal 170gr Terminal Ascent. What is your opinion on this bullet performance in comparison to the TTSX and TGK?
Big Sixy! Start printing the shirts!
I'm really going to regret making that comment, lol
All you need is some Big Sixy & Spotted Cow and you’ve got a great afternoon at the range!!! 😂
Love me some vortex
Somebody make a 7 mm Grendel please. As far as I know, there are no 7 mm in the AR 15 platform. You can call it a 7 mm arc
My guy 7mm08
Actually, i guess that's an ar10 nvm i think you're right
I dont think youll have enough case volume to push heavy 7mm bullets. I would surmise 6/6.5 being about the point of diminishing return.
@@John_Redcorn_ I’ve wondered that as well. But it would have more case capacity than a 300bo. If you dont know, go look at the 30 Remington ar. It flopped but super cool.
@John_Redcorn_ yaaaa most available loadings are 150 grain with a few 160-162gr options moving about 2550-2650fps
I've been wanting this thank you
I may have missed it but will be see the 6.5BC at shot show?😉
How about a 7arc? I want 140 grains
It appears that a innovation has been discovered in the cartridge performance industry. The short wide case - more propellant - with a long high B.C. projectile, like all the PRC's .They consistently result in improved performance compared to previous bottleneck design . It is difficult to improve on near perfection, but it is not impossible.
Seems that way. The Grendel though preceded the PRC cartridges by almost a decade, the Grendel being the parent cartridge of the ARCs.
@@mikemelina7395 Yes , there will always be improvement. and that's welcome. Things to consider with anything new ; availability, re-load component availability and cost. Plus is the increase in performance worth it for your application. If I was to consider a new rifle - I wouldn't take anything off the table.
Oh..... I didn't see ya there 😂😂😂
I'm leaning towards the 6mm arc
been waiting for this
I did NOT hear the main point of Why Hornady made the 22 ARC? maybe i just missed it. its the 22-250 competitor just in an AR15 and not in a AR10?
6.5 birthed greatness because it itself, is greatness.
Not sure about pouring needmore on anything. Unless you needing more somehow makes it better. Better at needing more.
6.5 grendel.