Some people are pointing this out (rightfully so). But the toy did break and then I follow up with saying the plastic quality is good. And while I stand by that statement, it did still break. This video wasn't shot in order and the breakage was partially the toys fault and partially my fault for just not paying attention. I still think it's a worthy pickup, just watch out for that bit
I know this is obviously too late, but for other people, make sure to untab the bottom grill section and move it out of the way before untabbing the roof
Frankly its ridiculous that an adult collector can just accidentally break it so easily when it is ostensibly a childrens' toy. Imagine how much more likely a child is to break it, or the child's non-TF-fan parent who they asked for help
I've been trying to find the movie master piece optimus prime for a while but I can't find a cheap version of him do you know we're I can find him for a cheap price
I think the thing that made people chill with Hot Rod was the combo of the amazing figure AND the high amount of accessories - two guns, two blast effects, a matrix, matrix shine effect, and the saw - primal, I was never interested in so I have no say there
The extra accessories really did help. You're absolutely right about it being a fantastic figure. I'm not a particularly big fan of the character, but it's easily one or my favorite CHUG scale figures. The only thing I'm not the biggest fan of are the weird shoulder joints that he shares with Kingdom Rodimus.
@@qwertyzillaofficial2969 Of course not, I've got MP Optimus Primes but that doesn't mean I stopped buying voyager primes and SS primes. The earthrise/siege/studio series, etc. primes were great, even when compared to the MP Prime. The Voyager Primal had huge chest/body gaps in ape mode and didn't warrant a purchase, especially when I have the MP version.
Kingdom Optimus Primal having all the integrated weapons he had in the Beast Wars cartoon. Not to mention the beast mode articulation is pretty good, especially the gorilla head. The only thing it's missing that I would've liked are some place to put blast effects on the back for emulating his jetpack in the show. It's easily my favorite Kingdom Beast Wars figure, probably my favorite toy in that line.
Sentinel frequently looming rearward of Ironhide is an image I find humorous. It is akin to an imaginary instance wherein Ironhide would be traversing toward a location, trailed by a creeping Sentinel, prior to then being promptly blasted by a Sentinel's Rust Cannon.
Primal was £23, had dense plastic, solid joints, deployable guns in arms and back, both swords and was a short voyager but still bigger than a standard deluxe. This ironhide is £38. That's quite the price hike. That's why people were ok with Primal but not so with this.
@@returnedtomonkey8886 Smyths I think. Or an online retailer? I forget exactly now, but it was certainly £23 because the studio series ones were £27 at that point.
@@ThatToyGuy even if you did it correctly, by untabbing the front bumper, the amount of force it takes to untab the windshield causes the inertia to carry your hand and the windshield farther than it was intended to go, which causes a stress mark that slowly gets bigger with each transformation, until it snaps off. It’s already happened with mine. So, it’s mostly just a flaw of using the toy normally.
Your transformation section is one of the reasons why I prefer transformers coming in vehicle form. I've had that same problem so many times: figures basically not being able to transform properly into their alt modes. When you tab something together in the front, a tab in the back pops loose and vice versa. Super frustrating.
@@hyperdimensionbliss I’ve gotten a few Earthrise and Kingdom figures that felt pretty good. Even some core class figs felt right. Seems really hit or miss, maybe certain factories are better than others.
I think all the outrage is from people who thought that Ironhide was bigger than he actually was in the show, like- Optimus Prime height, Ironhide in the show maybe came up to about Prime's chest
I got this figure last Saturday, and while I like it, funny enough I actually have that same issue with the roof not tabbing in. It’s still a neat figure though but I also hope they fix it when we inevitably get a Ratchet redeco
Even though it doesn’t cut it on the voyager size front it is still good engineering and a much better figure than the ER version, definitely a worthy pickup for Ironhide fans!
@@6shot9 so you’d rather have the Earthrise one because it’s the same size and price of a deluxe, even though it’s engineering is bad and it’s hollow? You know, I can understand that.
@@nicholasstensson9699 it also wasn't an Earth mode but the Deluxe Earth rise figure is and it parts forms where as because of the higher budget ss86 doesn't parts form
I really like the figure but I think a buzzworthy release with no clear plastic would be ideal. It would just make everything feel more solid, especially when messing with the legs. His plastic does feel great, clear plastic is just always going to be more fragile. I’ve noticed since legacy that the clear plastic, if it breaks, seems to like chip off more then full cracks like with jazz. Not sure if there is anything to that but it’s good to see that the entire windshield didn’t split in half.
Also I could easily see how that piece did snap, it really only has clearance to open enough for the roof to come out, pushing it past that point (which doesn’t seem like a difficult accident to happen) will def crack it. Just a heads up to people that it should be okay as long as you just take care with it and don’t over extend the joint
For me, my issue isn’t the price. I just wish he was at an actual voyager scale. I feel like since this is for SS, Ironhide should have gotten an actual voyager sized figure. But other than that, this looks like something I’ll enjoy. Hopefully I won’t run into some of the quality issues your copy has, though.
But like it was said at the beginning of the video, the classes aren't about size anymore. Haven't been since Power of the Primes. They're now price points based on parts count, paint apps, & engineering...which for some smaller peeps, they try to compensate by adding more accessories. (SS86-4 Hot Rod, Siege Astrotrain, Legacy Blitzwing, Kingdom Galvatron, etc.)
@@DragoonMS That may be how it is now, but that doesn’t mean I don’t find that to be stupid. For me, and for others that I’ve seen comment about it, the classes are always going to be size rather than price. Also, in terms of modern sizes, I see Kingdom/Legacy Galvatron as leader class-it’s modern leader class, but leader class still since he’s bigger than usual voyagers. He may not be SS leader class size, but I think he still fits with the leader class.
@@jaydonmagan4694 its always been about plastic/parts count per dollar and not size. its not hasbro's fault you and some other consumers didnt figure out the obvious sooner. you think ever in the history of hasbro that they designed a figure and said the parts count and engineering mean we'll take half the profits we need to make this worth it but sh*t .. throw it into the deluxe price point because f*ck our stock holders... we dont like keeping our jobs anyways.
@@happybuttersblast8334 All I need to know is that a voyager is larger than a deluxe class, a leader is larger than a voyager class, a commander is larger than a leader class, and titan is larger than a commander class. You can say it’s always been about price all you want. What’s a fact, though, is that a size has always been placed with the different Transformers toy classes. Those sizes may have been changed over the years, but there’s still been a size difference in each class. A leader, today, may be around a voyager class size from 2007, but most modern leaders are still larger than modern voyagers; the same going for modern voyagers being larger than modern deluxes.
Remember when voyagers now were actually deluxe class sizes back then and leader classes now were voyager size too? And leader classes were masterpiece scale?
If you mean a leader class then was as big if not bigger than MP 10, a voyager class then was as big if not bigger then the biggest leader you'll find today, and deluxe classes then were almost if not bigger than every Voyager that comes out today then yes. And it pisses me off how people are just fine with it and if someone points it out and has a criticism about it Hasbro's cocksuckers will flock to their defense and spew bullshit like "inflation, plastic shortage, eco-friendly"
Parts and complexity, changes in budgets over time. A lot of older toys tended to be bigger, but more simple. Look at the leader class (or TF Prime's weaponizer) figures made from 2012 to 2018. Big, but with fewer parts and relatively uncomplicated transformations. Masterpiece was never really a fixed size scale. A better comparison is Commander class.
"The plastic quality is top notch" he says after the first 30 seconds absolutely disproved that statement. Hard skip on any version of this mold. If I'm paying voyager price for a deluxe I'm going to expect perfect QC, not this farce.
Reminds me of my incredible luck of having QC issue on every single official figures more than 50USD starting with 3 SS86 grimlock in a row, kingdom galvatron, SS grindor, MP thundercraker, MP black convoy and 2 mpm ratchet. I don't know how hasbro has the nerve to increase their price tag with such awful QC.
I know some folks complained about the pricing for Primal, but I suspect the reason most people accepted it, even begrudgingly, is because they know Hasbro isn't likely to sell the primary version of a faction leader at Deluxe pricepoint. Thus, even though Primal was small, simple, and seeming incomplete without a mace, blast effects, or anything in the gap of his chest, people accepted it as a "prime tax" as it were. As for price hikes, it's more than a little. From WFC to now, Deluxes have gone from $20 to $24-30 (25-50% price increase depending on location) Voyagers have gone from $30 to 40 (25% increase Leaders have gone from $50 to $65 at walmart (30% increase) We're going through inflation, yes, but not 30% more even before the recession hit more!
I'm tired of hearing inflation being the only excuse given to these pointless price hikes. In 2014 a thrilling 30 deluxe was $15. Today that would be $18.81 which is almost $2 less than what they were five fucking years ago. Today a deluxe is going for $5 more than a Voyager used to
Figures that blur the lines of price point norms are why I weigh my figures with all their accessories after I open them. (Only comparing generations figures from t30 to present day) Not every figure is gunna have the same mass but I expect that if I buy a voyager I'll get more than what a large deluxe is. Same for leaders being more than voyagers and so on. So far every time a voyager has been given more stuff to be a leader or commander class, their plastic total has backed them up as that larger price point. Because the video mentions primal I'll mention in mass primal is a small voyager but non the less still a voyager, more than what you'll get for a deluxe. Studio series hotrod is the only generations figure I have that can't be worth his price point from his mass. With everything he came with he's only the total of an average deluxe. I still bought him after learning that cuz mass is far from the only thing that matters but still I'd say he falls on a borderline because of that. I know I didn't type any exact numbers here but I do have it all written down and I do remember whether something is heavy light or average for it's price point. Knowing that siege Ironhide was heavy for a deluxe is enough to not be so worried about studio series Ironhide. And I do think this kind of thing is an interesting conversation.
Honestly I hope he and ratchet get the same treatment as Cliffjumper and have all the clear plastic replaced with opaque plastic. I adore him, but god I don’t feel safe transforming him
To prevent breaking I wiggle the windshield. Side to side so the roof untabs. When you do this you should see the light grey details hidden under the shoulder show a little bit
I surprisingly got one for $25.00 at Gamer's Alley and it had 3d printed gap and arm fillers. but it also confused me, cause they were selling others for $35 - $40 and all them INCLUDING MINE was out of the box and wasn't missing parts.
I dont mind transparent windows but they shouldn't use clear plastic for tabs plus I'm sick of them selling a clearly deluxe figure fir voyager price and saying it's because of the engineering you could use that argument and say the seige or earthrise should be sold for voyager because it gets a sheild with it
@@lakitudude7577 yet it's still bigger in vehicle mode then this new overpriced figure still think a figure should be priced by the size and class the figure is under or at least have a price range the figure is still overpriced
The front grill broke that was my luck getting the core class ironhide when I opened mine up it's left shoulder was cracked so I exchanged it for a replacement one.
I feel your pain. I just spent close to $60 on an MP45 Bumble Bee and his right wheel and wheelwell broke off when I was transforming it. I was being ultra extra careful with him too. I didn't, however, have any issues with my Stuidio series 86 Ironhide.
Receiving the G1 Ironhide toy for my birthday when I was 5 or 6 rates as one of the most disappointing moments of my entire existence. This makes up for it and then some.
figure seems amazing, but I feel as ironhide he's a bit small, not talking about deluxe or voyager but really just as the character. Siege earthrise was a bit small to me, and this looks a bit smaller even
Yeah, the 3 hinges on each side turns me off!!! I could except 1 but not 3 ( total of 6). Otherwise the figure is great in robot mode. I’m going to look into 3rd party figures for iron hide. I display my figures in robot and in vehicle mode. Hopefully I can find something that is similar in size to go with the main-line.
Miss matched reds with no yellow stripe, hinges that stick out far in alt mode, clear blue plastic tabs on roof for no reason but a light bar for a repaint, deluxe stature, borrowed ur tummy u engineering from previous take, delicate plastic that snaps off easily, Voyager class price point, two small accessories and a one piece hip skirt. This doesn’t sound like a winner to me.
Good review man, I love the fact that you might love a Transformer but still point out all the flaws. Keep it going man! By the way, are you a brother of Spider Criminal? You kind of sound the same (maybe you are him and I'm to stupid to notice :o)
Hey new subscriber to your channel just wanted to say thanks for posting videos like this. It might suck that he broke but it gives a heads up to guys like me who haven't picked him up yet to take some care with transforming him. Kinda a hot take but the 86 line hot rod was a huge pain in the ass to transform from vehicle to robot mode when I first got him and was flying blind. I'm just excited they even made a new iron hide. Fingers crossed on an 86 perceptor
Bought it and took it back same day because of stress marks on the first transformation, it has great plastic in some places but the thin panels and the heavy reliance on clear plastic assured me that it would crumble over time
I have the same issue with the back pieces & the top clear plastic bits coming apart too easily & not staying pegged together. They do not seem very secure. They really could have benefited from better tab & slots.
I just got this toy. I am having a hard time getting the wind shield to to tab into the window panels to so it is not just you. The one time I did get everything tabbed together the wind shield didn't want to come unpegged when I wanted to make him a robot again. At this point I wish I had the other mold in red because it would have cleaner lines on the side and no lines on the roof. I think these toys are made more for pozing than for transforming and rolling around.
I love the fact that Ironhide's the size of a deluxe but the price of a voyager. That shows that Hasbro and Takara Tomy put actual effort and money into making this as good as it is. I saw this toy at Target today and bought him immediately, and I am not disappointed. Sure the roof panels don't connect properly and the back of the van on mine doesn't tab in quite right, but those are probably going to be fixed on Ratchet, and the quality over cost approach means that the figure is more complex in the deluxe size, and some things have to be sacrificed because of that.
@@alfreddooly3186 no. Making a figure one size class down from the price point can be amazing when done well like with Legacy Blitzwing or SS86 Ironhide, but the price of a Titan class doesn't feel like a justified expense to me even for an actual Titan class figure, and there are instances when this concept is poorly done, like with Siege Astrotrain. Please take my comment for what it is, not what the most extreme variation of my statement is.
I think what justified this being a voyager for me was because it came after a deluxe that demonstrated why a deluxe budget doesnt work for Ironhide. If you want a non partsforming, cartoon accurate, highly articulated, and well detailed G1 ironhide in the modern era you need a voyager budget. We need to accept that sometimes the added value of a price class is that they can properly do the character justice. Let us not forget the tragedy of voyager Broadside. Unfortunate were gonna need to change the world in a much larger way that stops inflation to get more than that.
U are the most unique reviewer out here and i love that as adult collectors we can get an actual coversation review that answers our questions not just pointing out details that we all can already see through pictures
I already have Earthrise IH, so I'm probably gonna pass on the SS86. The inevitable ratchet remold I'll definitely have to get (as long as they don't make him an exclusive again like a bunch of dweebs)
I'm kind of frustrated by the toy. I was perfectly happy with my Earthrise Ironhide and Ratchet. I don't mind the parts-forming, and the riot shield seems perfectly appropriate for Ironhide. But when the Studio Series came out, EVERYONE was singing it's praises. Oooooohhh, no parts-forming! No feet sticking out in vehicle mode. So, fine! It took me months to track one down at a decent price, but I finally got an SS Ironhide, and got a pre-order in for Ratchet. And then, only once I got them in, did everyone start admitting the fragility issues with the clear plastic, and how finicky the transformation was. Some even going as far as to say the Earthrise one was actually better. Now, personally, they're fine. I haven't had anything bad happen with them, but that transformation really feels like a chore compared to the Earthrise figure. The robot mode DOES feel nicely heafty, even of mine have a some loose joints. Then there are all the clear panels hanging off them, all in the service of appeasing the fans who complained endlessly about the Earthrise toys. I'm not saying the Studio Series figures are bad. But they are trading one set of issues for another. Your mileage may vary.
gaps are indeed really annoying. recently got ss06 starscream and thought it'd also have a problem with gaps on the thruster section but in the end the wings just tab in everything and hold it together. overall i'm impressed how good that starscream fits together and i wonder why they don't do it similar on all figures. the kibble on the bottom is a bit annoying but it's so far underneath it that it's not really visible, especially if slightly angled on a stand. so yeah, more tabs pls :D
I think us worrying about engineering and parts count shouldn't be our problem or reason to justify having a big toy like we used to but I guess I get it 😅
2:38 you should do the articulation segments like this more often. most of the time you cut to you talking in real time and kind of drag it out, but here, it’s you voicing it over and the segment is short and concise.
i ordered this guy from gamestop this weekend, hopefully he arrives soon, i have been waiting since earthrise for an ironhide and im glad to be finally getting him. might paint the yellow stripe myself, it’s pretty clearly molded but just not painted, so just a bit of yellow paint should do it i think.
This is quite possibly my favorite SS86 figure to date. I’ve had no issues with mine, I’d take painted windows but it’s not the be all end all… and I can back it up.. this dudes plastic build is pretty damn top notch. It passes the pen test. I personally think his price point is fine, he’s a way better figure than the majority of the velocity sub line.. whos figures I feel should be no more than 20 bones.
It’s a nice looking figure but those blue tabs on the roof in van mode and the lack of yellow strip on the side make me prefer the Earth rise version. Robot mode is amazing though
I saw the thumbnail I'm a part time Transformer fan but I'm not a collector.I saw the thumbnail thinking why hasn't nobody made the A team Van into a Mr T bot like the bot in the thumbnail😂 I saw the Ghostbusters and Back too the Future a Bot voiced or voiced by Mr T would be prime.
There shouldn't be as much clear plastic on a figure in key spots, it should be window inserts not full parts that then take the paint budget away because they have to compensate and then in turn it ruins the vehicle because of mismatched colors all over.
This is my definitive G1 Ironhide. I do have stress marks on mine tho so i just need to be more careful with it. And he's really lose in the legs and waist. But overall, my favorite G1 Ironhide to ever
I’m not paying nearly £40 for an overrated deluxe, especially when Earthrise was bigger and that figure was an actual deluxe and had partsforming as part of it
Who could have guessed? Hasbro's clear plastic breaking! "BuT cLEaR PlaStiC MakES NIcE wInDoWs" ... yeah, and broken figures... I'll take normal plastic with black or silvery blue windows any day of the week (also allowing me NOT to see the crotch of a robot dude in alt-mode) over a useless broken figure. Now it's the front bumper, but the whole roof is clear, it's just a matter of time. "YoU juSt hAvE to BE cAreFuL!" ... do I need to remind you that this is a toy? For everyone? Children included? Plus, yeah, part counts and all... but this dude is small... just like Astrotrain and Blitzwing... Hasbro is just lowering our standards more and more.
I have pretty much moved on to the whole price and scale thing, but it would be very appreciated to give proper price to a proper scale (legacy evo tarn). As for ironhide, this might be the best ironhide toy, though I grew up with the micheal bay ironhide so its a pretty hard pick.
So I'm paying extra for them doing their initial job? If he's deluxe size then he should be deluxe price point. Extra accessories really don't make up for it ( that's other figures). The whole "complex engineering" isn't really much of an argument either. Your job IS to engineer the figure correctly. I can understand seige ironhide molds having simplistic transformation since they're meant to be alien vehicles. But they should've realized the earthrise/legacy molds having the roof parts-form and lazy feet transformation be a huge problem. Not people's fault hasbro decided not to correctly make the figure. I'm not saying this figure sucks but Jesus, you just pay extra for the name at this point. Galvatron, both kingdom and legacy, are a good example.
The same thing happened to mine. I tried gluing it back and the glue must of ran down into the opening hinge. When i tried to open it , it got stuck. It wouldnt move. As i tried to apply some force the whole plastic split in half across the windshield. Now i dont know how to restore it. :(
The price would be less of an issue if SS figures weren't so much more expensive than other CHUG figures. And even then it's too much for a figure that breaks when handling it delicately. ... I'm probably a hypocrite for saying this when I got into 3P legends recently, and loving Magic Square's stuff. But at least there I don't need to worry about excessive clear plastic. Hot Rod's worth was debatable for me, as the actual engineering didn't feel all that great but that's a highly subjective point. Primal, however, felt like he and his swords were made with super-sturdy plastic and at a way lower price than SS. So I wasn't too bothered there. I'm not gonna act like my word is gospel. I'm okay with this recent trend when it's used for sturdier figures that can hold up under their engineering. But then I find all of Hasbro's new prices to be unreasonable regardless, so it could probably just be a me problem! Point is, for me, Hot Rod being €40 was okay-ish, Primal being €30 was grand, Ironhide being nearly €50 is a joke. But that hardly matters if someone else gets it and it makes them happy.
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Some people are pointing this out (rightfully so). But the toy did break and then I follow up with saying the plastic quality is good. And while I stand by that statement, it did still break. This video wasn't shot in order and the breakage was partially the toys fault and partially my fault for just not paying attention. I still think it's a worthy pickup, just watch out for that bit
Frankly that’s more of a funny editing coincidence than anything so it shouldn’t matter, sucks that it broke on you though.
I know this is obviously too late, but for other people, make sure to untab the bottom grill section and move it out of the way before untabbing the roof
Frankly its ridiculous that an adult collector can just accidentally break it so easily when it is ostensibly a childrens' toy. Imagine how much more likely a child is to break it, or the child's non-TF-fan parent who they asked for help
Maybe just glue it with super glue
I've been trying to find the movie master piece optimus prime for a while but I can't find a cheap version of him do you know we're I can find him for a cheap price
I think the thing that made people chill with Hot Rod was the combo of the amazing figure AND the high amount of accessories - two guns, two blast effects, a matrix, matrix shine effect, and the saw - primal, I was never interested in so I have no say there
The extra accessories really did help. You're absolutely right about it being a fantastic figure. I'm not a particularly big fan of the character, but it's easily one or my favorite CHUG scale figures. The only thing I'm not the biggest fan of are the weird shoulder joints that he shares with Kingdom Rodimus.
Exactly no one cared about Primal. I got the Masterpiece version, saw the overpriced voyager Primal and said meh.
@@sigerlion8608 Were you…expecting it to be MP quality?
@@qwertyzillaofficial2969 Of course not, I've got MP Optimus Primes but that doesn't mean I stopped buying voyager primes and SS primes. The earthrise/siege/studio series, etc. primes were great, even when compared to the MP Prime. The Voyager Primal had huge chest/body gaps in ape mode and didn't warrant a purchase, especially when I have the MP version.
Kingdom Optimus Primal having all the integrated weapons he had in the Beast Wars cartoon. Not to mention the beast mode articulation is pretty good, especially the gorilla head. The only thing it's missing that I would've liked are some place to put blast effects on the back for emulating his jetpack in the show. It's easily my favorite Kingdom Beast Wars figure, probably my favorite toy in that line.
Sentinel frequently looming rearward of Ironhide is an image I find humorous. It is akin to an imaginary instance wherein Ironhide would be traversing toward a location, trailed by a creeping Sentinel, prior to then being promptly blasted by a Sentinel's Rust Cannon.
lol that would be crazy amirite
Primal was £23, had dense plastic, solid joints, deployable guns in arms and back, both swords and was a short voyager but still bigger than a standard deluxe. This ironhide is £38. That's quite the price hike. That's why people were ok with Primal but not so with this.
THIS is the reason.
Where did you find Primal with 23£?!
@@returnedtomonkey8886 Smyths I think. Or an online retailer? I forget exactly now, but it was certainly £23 because the studio series ones were £27 at that point.
WHAT THE HELL WHY IS RUclips LOOKING SO DIFFERENT EVERYTHING IS BUBBLY
The future is now old man
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@@darkmaster9245 The future blows.
@@hyperdimensionbliss is it any better in the HyperDimension ?
Blissful perhaps ?
I hate it too
Ironhide: *Breaks during transformation*
TTG 1 and a half minutes later: The plastic quality is top freakin notch
A combination of things being shot out of order and the breakage being partially my fault for not watching what I was doing.
@@ThatToyGuy even if you did it correctly, by untabbing the front bumper, the amount of force it takes to untab the windshield causes the inertia to carry your hand and the windshield farther than it was intended to go, which causes a stress mark that slowly gets bigger with each transformation, until it snaps off. It’s already happened with mine. So, it’s mostly just a flaw of using the toy normally.
Your transformation section is one of the reasons why I prefer transformers coming in vehicle form. I've had that same problem so many times: figures basically not being able to transform properly into their alt modes. When you tab something together in the front, a tab in the back pops loose and vice versa. Super frustrating.
Man it seems like the QC for figures has just plummeted recently.
QC took a downturn in late Siege and dove off a cliff to the bottom of the Marianas Trench from Earthrise onward.
@@hyperdimensionbliss I’ve gotten a few Earthrise and Kingdom figures that felt pretty good. Even some core class figs felt right. Seems really hit or miss, maybe certain factories are better than others.
@@hyperdimensionbliss I wonder when Hasbros QC will start to get better?
I think all the outrage is from people who thought that Ironhide was bigger than he actually was in the show, like- Optimus Prime height, Ironhide in the show maybe came up to about Prime's chest
I got this figure last Saturday, and while I like it, funny enough I actually have that same issue with the roof not tabbing in. It’s still a neat figure though but I also hope they fix it when we inevitably get a Ratchet redeco
I got mine a couple days ago and I have the roof issue too
Even though it doesn’t cut it on the voyager size front it is still good engineering and a much better figure than the ER version, definitely a worthy pickup for Ironhide fans!
Hell yeah, keep paying obnoxious prices so they can rip you off more and more
@@6shot9 so you’d rather have the Earthrise one because it’s the same size and price of a deluxe, even though it’s engineering is bad and it’s hollow? You know, I can understand that.
@@speeddemon5339 of course you can, keep blowing daddy’s money on pointless shit
@@speeddemon5339 siege was deluxe price and didn’t partsform
@@nicholasstensson9699 it also wasn't an Earth mode but the Deluxe Earth rise figure is and it parts forms where as because of the higher budget ss86 doesn't parts form
I really like the figure but I think a buzzworthy release with no clear plastic would be ideal. It would just make everything feel more solid, especially when messing with the legs. His plastic does feel great, clear plastic is just always going to be more fragile.
I’ve noticed since legacy that the clear plastic, if it breaks, seems to like chip off more then full cracks like with jazz. Not sure if there is anything to that but it’s good to see that the entire windshield didn’t split in half.
Also I could easily see how that piece did snap, it really only has clearance to open enough for the roof to come out, pushing it past that point (which doesn’t seem like a difficult accident to happen) will def crack it. Just a heads up to people that it should be okay as long as you just take care with it and don’t over extend the joint
I think primal justified itself with accessories and gimmicks personally
Personally I don’t think hotrod had the same love and they rose that things price with the accessories
For me, my issue isn’t the price. I just wish he was at an actual voyager scale. I feel like since this is for SS, Ironhide should have gotten an actual voyager sized figure.
But other than that, this looks like something I’ll enjoy. Hopefully I won’t run into some of the quality issues your copy has, though.
But like it was said at the beginning of the video, the classes aren't about size anymore. Haven't been since Power of the Primes. They're now price points based on parts count, paint apps, & engineering...which for some smaller peeps, they try to compensate by adding more accessories. (SS86-4 Hot Rod, Siege Astrotrain, Legacy Blitzwing, Kingdom Galvatron, etc.)
@@DragoonMS That may be how it is now, but that doesn’t mean I don’t find that to be stupid. For me, and for others that I’ve seen comment about it, the classes are always going to be size rather than price.
Also, in terms of modern sizes, I see Kingdom/Legacy Galvatron as leader class-it’s modern leader class, but leader class still since he’s bigger than usual voyagers. He may not be SS leader class size, but I think he still fits with the leader class.
@@jaydonmagan4694 its always been about plastic/parts count per dollar and not size. its not hasbro's fault you and some other consumers didnt figure out the obvious sooner. you think ever in the history of hasbro that they designed a figure and said the parts count and engineering mean we'll take half the profits we need to make this worth it but sh*t .. throw it into the deluxe price point because f*ck our stock holders... we dont like keeping our jobs anyways.
@@happybuttersblast8334 All I need to know is that a voyager is larger than a deluxe class, a leader is larger than a voyager class, a commander is larger than a leader class, and titan is larger than a commander class.
You can say it’s always been about price all you want. What’s a fact, though, is that a size has always been placed with the different Transformers toy classes. Those sizes may have been changed over the years, but there’s still been a size difference in each class. A leader, today, may be around a voyager class size from 2007, but most modern leaders are still larger than modern voyagers; the same going for modern voyagers being larger than modern deluxes.
@@jaydonmagan4694 so if they said this was a deluxe and charged 35$ for it, you'd be ok?
They really should stop using clear plastic
"It broke despite handling it gently. It's worth the Voyager price point"
The voyager budget and price is really good for the Ironhide/Ratchet mold. I got SS86 Ratchet and i love how hefty he feels
Remember when voyagers now were actually deluxe class sizes back then and leader classes now were voyager size too? And leader classes were masterpiece scale?
If you mean a leader class then was as big if not bigger than MP 10, a voyager class then was as big if not bigger then the biggest leader you'll find today, and deluxe classes then were almost if not bigger than every Voyager that comes out today then yes. And it pisses me off how people are just fine with it and if someone points it out and has a criticism about it Hasbro's cocksuckers will flock to their defense and spew bullshit like "inflation, plastic shortage, eco-friendly"
Parts and complexity, changes in budgets over time. A lot of older toys tended to be bigger, but more simple. Look at the leader class (or TF Prime's weaponizer) figures made from 2012 to 2018. Big, but with fewer parts and relatively uncomplicated transformations.
Masterpiece was never really a fixed size scale. A better comparison is Commander class.
@@ffnbbq okay bootlicker
Masterpiece isn’t a scale
"The plastic quality is top notch" he says after the first 30 seconds absolutely disproved that statement.
Hard skip on any version of this mold. If I'm paying voyager price for a deluxe I'm going to expect perfect QC, not this farce.
Reminds me of my incredible luck of having QC issue on every single official figures more than 50USD starting with 3 SS86 grimlock in a row, kingdom galvatron, SS grindor, MP thundercraker, MP black convoy and 2 mpm ratchet. I don't know how hasbro has the nerve to increase their price tag with such awful QC.
Most do have really good QC
I know some folks complained about the pricing for Primal, but I suspect the reason most people accepted it, even begrudgingly, is because they know Hasbro isn't likely to sell the primary version of a faction leader at Deluxe pricepoint. Thus, even though Primal was small, simple, and seeming incomplete without a mace, blast effects, or anything in the gap of his chest, people accepted it as a "prime tax" as it were.
As for price hikes, it's more than a little. From WFC to now,
Deluxes have gone from $20 to $24-30 (25-50% price increase depending on location)
Voyagers have gone from $30 to 40 (25% increase
Leaders have gone from $50 to $65 at walmart (30% increase)
We're going through inflation, yes, but not 30% more even before the recession hit more!
Where do you live? By me Deluxes are 25, Voyagers are 33, and Leaders are 55
@@thesardonicrenegade Potentially CAD rather than USD.
@@jkliao6486 I wish leaders were 65 bucks in Canada lol, where I live they are usually 75 to 80 bucks
I'm tired of hearing inflation being the only excuse given to these pointless price hikes. In 2014 a thrilling 30 deluxe was $15. Today that would be $18.81 which is almost $2 less than what they were five fucking years ago. Today a deluxe is going for $5 more than a Voyager used to
Figures that blur the lines of price point norms are why I weigh my figures with all their accessories after I open them.
(Only comparing generations figures from t30 to present day)
Not every figure is gunna have the same mass but I expect that if I buy a voyager I'll get more than what a large deluxe is. Same for leaders being more than voyagers and so on. So far every time a voyager has been given more stuff to be a leader or commander class, their plastic total has backed them up as that larger price point.
Because the video mentions primal I'll mention in mass primal is a small voyager but non the less still a voyager, more than what you'll get for a deluxe. Studio series hotrod is the only generations figure I have that can't be worth his price point from his mass. With everything he came with he's only the total of an average deluxe. I still bought him after learning that cuz mass is far from the only thing that matters but still I'd say he falls on a borderline because of that. I know I didn't type any exact numbers here but I do have it all written down and I do remember whether something is heavy light or average for it's price point.
Knowing that siege Ironhide was heavy for a deluxe is enough to not be so worried about studio series Ironhide. And I do think this kind of thing is an interesting conversation.
"He's worth being a Voyager, the plastic quality is top not-"
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Yeah the first 40 sec. Of this video confirmed why I’m just sticking with the Siege figure. He’s still the best Ironhide in my opinion.
Honestly I hope he and ratchet get the same treatment as Cliffjumper and have all the clear plastic replaced with opaque plastic. I adore him, but god I don’t feel safe transforming him
To prevent breaking I wiggle the windshield. Side to side so the roof untabs. When you do this you should see the light grey details hidden under the shoulder show a little bit
I prefer a deluxe with partsforming than a voyager with better quality but when I transform it he can snap because is 30% clear plastic
I surprisingly got one for $25.00 at Gamer's Alley and it had 3d printed gap and arm fillers. but it also confused me, cause they were selling others for $35 - $40 and all them INCLUDING MINE was out of the box and wasn't missing parts.
Just so you know TTG, hasbro has phenomenal customer service. Email them about it and they’ll send you a free replacement.
Problem with that is you usually have to send them your figure, and you have zero guarantee that they'll send you the same thing.
@@DragoonMS nope. I get to keep every figure I have an issue with AND they send my a new one.
I dont mind transparent windows but they shouldn't use clear plastic for tabs plus I'm sick of them selling a clearly deluxe figure fir voyager price and saying it's because of the engineering you could use that argument and say the seige or earthrise should be sold for voyager because it gets a sheild with it
You're ignoring the fact that the siege/er mold is hollow as shit
@@lakitudude7577 yet it's still bigger in vehicle mode then this new overpriced figure still think a figure should be priced by the size and class the figure is under or at least have a price range the figure is still overpriced
The front grill broke that was my luck getting the core class ironhide when I opened mine up it's left shoulder was cracked so I exchanged it for a replacement one.
SS hot rod came with accessories that made up for that voyager price point.
All of that clear plastic makes me nervous as hell.
It feels pretty solid in hand
I feel your pain. I just spent close to $60 on an MP45 Bumble Bee and his right wheel and wheelwell broke off when I was transforming it. I was being ultra extra careful with him too. I didn't, however, have any issues with my Stuidio series 86 Ironhide.
No, the price points are base on mass and size of figure, NOT the parts count or complexity of said figure.
said who ?
Receiving the G1 Ironhide toy for my birthday when I was 5 or 6 rates as one of the most disappointing moments of my entire existence. This makes up for it and then some.
I wish they'd made it a mini masterpiece instead like Earthrise Optimus Prime.
figure seems amazing, but I feel as ironhide he's a bit small, not talking about deluxe or voyager but really just as the character. Siege earthrise was a bit small to me, and this looks a bit smaller even
Been wondering if the Earthrise parts forming shield was a nod to the G1 toy's sled base thing?
Yeah, the 3 hinges on each side turns me off!!! I could except 1 but not 3 ( total of 6). Otherwise the figure is great in robot mode. I’m going to look into 3rd party figures for iron hide. I display my figures in robot and in vehicle mode. Hopefully I can find something that is similar in size to go with the main-line.
Larger voyager price point and the don't put a yellow stripe, AND they engrave that lettering on the clear windows. Who would ok that at Hasbro?
Miss matched reds with no yellow stripe, hinges that stick out far in alt mode, clear blue plastic tabs on roof for no reason but a light bar for a repaint, deluxe stature, borrowed ur tummy u engineering from previous take, delicate plastic that snaps off easily, Voyager class price point, two small accessories and a one piece hip skirt.
This doesn’t sound like a winner to me.
I have a meme mode for him, transform him in a way that has his arms sticking out of the side and with his bumper open like a mouth.
-Blitz
I have core class frome him and Ratcheet and im happy having them after so many years with theyre actual heads
I'm waiting for the inevitable ratchet repaint/remold because that's too much red imo lmao (also because I just got the classics one)
Good review man, I love the fact that you might love a Transformer but still point out all the flaws. Keep it going man! By the way, are you a brother of Spider Criminal? You kind of sound the same (maybe you are him and I'm to stupid to notice :o)
"wait for a sale" bro if the Siege and Earthrise Ironhides are any indication, these things are probably gonna go fast lol
Might get this guy. Depends on how I feel.
I kinda hope they remake this into a shattered glass Ironhide, or the repaint this into ratchet.
dr lockdowns astro train video brings this point home amazingly
1:37 that's not funny don't joke about that
Yep that top gap was a problem on mine too.
The same thing happens to me, no matter how hard I press on the roof it just won't stay together
This is making me so excited to get my copy
Hey new subscriber to your channel just wanted to say thanks for posting videos like this. It might suck that he broke but it gives a heads up to guys like me who haven't picked him up yet to take some care with transforming him. Kinda a hot take but the 86 line hot rod was a huge pain in the ass to transform from vehicle to robot mode when I first got him and was flying blind. I'm just excited they even made a new iron hide. Fingers crossed on an 86 perceptor
Bought it and took it back same day because of stress marks on the first transformation, it has great plastic in some places but the thin panels and the heavy reliance on clear plastic assured me that it would crumble over time
I have the same issue with the back pieces & the top clear plastic bits coming apart too easily & not staying pegged together. They do not seem very secure. They really could have benefited from better tab & slots.
Does anyone else feel that this Ironhide should be coated in metallic paint?
No
I just got this toy. I am having a hard time getting the wind shield to to tab into the window panels to so it is not just you. The one time I did get everything tabbed together the wind shield didn't want to come unpegged when I wanted to make him a robot again. At this point I wish I had the other mold in red because it would have cleaner lines on the side and no lines on the roof. I think these toys are made more for pozing than for transforming and rolling around.
Feel like they fixed the Ironhide issues with the Ratchet retool
I love the fact that Ironhide's the size of a deluxe but the price of a voyager. That shows that Hasbro and Takara Tomy put actual effort and money into making this as good as it is. I saw this toy at Target today and bought him immediately, and I am not disappointed. Sure the roof panels don't connect properly and the back of the van on mine doesn't tab in quite right, but those are probably going to be fixed on Ratchet, and the quality over cost approach means that the figure is more complex in the deluxe size, and some things have to be sacrificed because of that.
Can't wait for them to release a transformer the size of a core but the price of a titan. Going to be amazing
@@alfreddooly3186 no. Making a figure one size class down from the price point can be amazing when done well like with Legacy Blitzwing or SS86 Ironhide, but the price of a Titan class doesn't feel like a justified expense to me even for an actual Titan class figure, and there are instances when this concept is poorly done, like with Siege Astrotrain. Please take my comment for what it is, not what the most extreme variation of my statement is.
@@alfreddooly3186 They will literally never do anything even close, they most likely won’t even do a Titan the size of a Commander
Great video but After your review I came to my final conclusion that no reviewer knows the 1986 movie lol…Ratchet had the two guns not Ironhide FYI
That ain't no pickup, it's a van
I think what justified this being a voyager for me was because it came after a deluxe that demonstrated why a deluxe budget doesnt work for Ironhide. If you want a non partsforming, cartoon accurate, highly articulated, and well detailed G1 ironhide in the modern era you need a voyager budget. We need to accept that sometimes the added value of a price class is that they can properly do the character justice. Let us not forget the tragedy of voyager Broadside. Unfortunate were gonna need to change the world in a much larger way that stops inflation to get more than that.
Hot Rod is more complex than most voyagers I have, while Ironhide only bests Bulkhead. 82 parts vs 61 parts
U are the most unique reviewer out here and i love that as adult collectors we can get an actual coversation review that answers our questions not just pointing out details that we all can already see through pictures
I already have Earthrise IH, so I'm probably gonna pass on the SS86. The inevitable ratchet remold I'll definitely have to get (as long as they don't make him an exclusive again like a bunch of dweebs)
I'm kind of frustrated by the toy. I was perfectly happy with my Earthrise Ironhide and Ratchet. I don't mind the parts-forming, and the riot shield seems perfectly appropriate for Ironhide. But when the Studio Series came out, EVERYONE was singing it's praises. Oooooohhh, no parts-forming! No feet sticking out in vehicle mode. So, fine! It took me months to track one down at a decent price, but I finally got an SS Ironhide, and got a pre-order in for Ratchet. And then, only once I got them in, did everyone start admitting the fragility issues with the clear plastic, and how finicky the transformation was. Some even going as far as to say the Earthrise one was actually better.
Now, personally, they're fine. I haven't had anything bad happen with them, but that transformation really feels like a chore compared to the Earthrise figure. The robot mode DOES feel nicely heafty, even of mine have a some loose joints. Then there are all the clear panels hanging off them, all in the service of appeasing the fans who complained endlessly about the Earthrise toys. I'm not saying the Studio Series figures are bad. But they are trading one set of issues for another. Your mileage may vary.
gaps are indeed really annoying. recently got ss06 starscream and thought it'd also have a problem with gaps on the thruster section but in the end the wings just tab in everything and hold it together. overall i'm impressed how good that starscream fits together and i wonder why they don't do it similar on all figures. the kibble on the bottom is a bit annoying but it's so far underneath it that it's not really visible, especially if slightly angled on a stand. so yeah, more tabs pls :D
I think us worrying about engineering and parts count shouldn't be our problem or reason to justify having a big toy like we used to but I guess I get it 😅
That's it.
Selling ss bee Ratchet and wait for the inevitable retool of this guy.
Edit: And hten got another bbm ratchet for 14$.
2:38 you should do the articulation segments like this more often. most of the time you cut to you talking in real time and kind of drag it out, but here, it’s you voicing it over and the segment is short and concise.
Also hope rachet’s headlight wouldnt be a legacy breakdown spoiler situation where it partsform and becomes a stupid weapon
i ordered this guy from gamestop this weekend, hopefully he arrives soon, i have been waiting since earthrise for an ironhide and im glad to be finally getting him. might paint the yellow stripe myself, it’s pretty clearly molded but just not painted, so just a bit of yellow paint should do it i think.
That van roof not closing is not just yours!
This is quite possibly my favorite SS86 figure to date. I’ve had no issues with mine, I’d take painted windows but it’s not the be all end all… and I can back it up.. this dudes plastic build is pretty damn top notch. It passes the pen test.
I personally think his price point is fine, he’s a way better figure than the majority of the velocity sub line.. whos figures I feel should be no more than 20 bones.
It’s a nice looking figure but those blue tabs on the roof in van mode and the lack of yellow strip on the side make me prefer the Earth rise version. Robot mode is amazing though
I saw the thumbnail
I'm a part time Transformer fan but I'm not a collector.I saw the thumbnail thinking why hasn't nobody made the A team Van into a Mr T bot like the bot in the thumbnail😂 I saw the Ghostbusters and Back too the Future a Bot voiced or voiced by Mr T would be prime.
There shouldn't be as much clear plastic on a figure in key spots, it should be window inserts not full parts that then take the paint budget away because they have to compensate and then in turn it ruins the vehicle because of mismatched colors all over.
This is my definitive G1 Ironhide. I do have stress marks on mine tho so i just need to be more careful with it. And he's really lose in the legs and waist. But overall, my favorite G1 Ironhide to ever
Don’t worry we can blame sleepy Joe for that higher price
Bruh really wanted to force politics in a Transformers review💀
Hope we get Ratchet with this mold.
I’m not paying nearly £40 for an overrated deluxe, especially when Earthrise was bigger and that figure was an actual deluxe and had partsforming as part of it
He just came in today. I immediately unboxed him and have the same problems transforming him as you.
1:30 made me laugh
Who could have guessed? Hasbro's clear plastic breaking!
"BuT cLEaR PlaStiC MakES NIcE wInDoWs"
... yeah, and broken figures...
I'll take normal plastic with black or silvery blue windows any day of the week (also allowing me NOT to see the crotch of a robot dude in alt-mode) over a useless broken figure.
Now it's the front bumper, but the whole roof is clear, it's just a matter of time.
"YoU juSt hAvE to BE cAreFuL!"
... do I need to remind you that this is a toy? For everyone? Children included?
Plus, yeah, part counts and all... but this dude is small... just like Astrotrain and Blitzwing... Hasbro is just lowering our standards more and more.
L take
The fig would have been better if there wasn’t the numbers on the blue parts
I have pretty much moved on to the whole price and scale thing, but it would be very appreciated to give proper price to a proper scale (legacy evo tarn). As for ironhide, this might be the best ironhide toy, though I grew up with the micheal bay ironhide so its a pretty hard pick.
Voyager class?
More like…
Uh…
My AAAYYYYAAAASSSSSSSS
bro put sentinal behind ironhide and made me cry again
Just got my Ironhide today, didnt notice until this vid but that piece is also very close to falling off on my copy
So I'm paying extra for them doing their initial job? If he's deluxe size then he should be deluxe price point. Extra accessories really don't make up for it ( that's other figures). The whole "complex engineering" isn't really much of an argument either. Your job IS to engineer the figure correctly. I can understand seige ironhide molds having simplistic transformation since they're meant to be alien vehicles. But they should've realized the earthrise/legacy molds having the roof parts-form and lazy feet transformation be a huge problem. Not people's fault hasbro decided not to correctly make the figure. I'm not saying this figure sucks but Jesus, you just pay extra for the name at this point. Galvatron, both kingdom and legacy, are a good example.
Your 100% right, tabbing the roof and tabbing the cab into the roof are terrible on this guy!
Looks nice from an engineering perspective. Gonna wait for Ratchet personally, but it looks great
The same thing happened to mine. I tried gluing it back and the glue must of ran down into the opening hinge. When i tried to open it , it got stuck. It wouldnt move. As i tried to apply some force the whole plastic split in half across the windshield. Now i dont know how to restore it. :(
Mine has trouble tabbing the pieces in place
Well, I'm glad I waited instead of getting the ER figure, this one definitely looks much better
I do think that he’s worth the voyager price he seems rather complex and he is bulky so I’m fine with the voyager pricing
The price would be less of an issue if SS figures weren't so much more expensive than other CHUG figures. And even then it's too much for a figure that breaks when handling it delicately.
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I'm probably a hypocrite for saying this when I got into 3P legends recently, and loving Magic Square's stuff. But at least there I don't need to worry about excessive clear plastic.
Hot Rod's worth was debatable for me, as the actual engineering didn't feel all that great but that's a highly subjective point. Primal, however, felt like he and his swords were made with super-sturdy plastic and at a way lower price than SS. So I wasn't too bothered there.
I'm not gonna act like my word is gospel. I'm okay with this recent trend when it's used for sturdier figures that can hold up under their engineering. But then I find all of Hasbro's new prices to be unreasonable regardless, so it could probably just be a me problem!
Point is, for me, Hot Rod being €40 was okay-ish, Primal being €30 was grand, Ironhide being nearly €50 is a joke. But that hardly matters if someone else gets it and it makes them happy.
they need to come up with a new mold, not just a remold of siege.
A friend of mine managed to get the figure and the roof is just an issue with the figure in total not just your copy
Everyone asked for a voyager engineered figure, you get a voyager class figure, btw you can contact hasbro for a replacement
Already have!