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Not for kids, yes, but what about toddlers and babies? I can get them for my nephews, depending on the age you consider them not being kids, so at least through the age of... *3* .
if you do this again- put a live feed gopro on the nose pointed down to use as a Bombardier's sight Also, you could paint the payload neon orange for better visibility.
My thoughts exactly. Some people have a story they'll tell for their entire lives now no doubt. "Ay remember that time we observed golden eagle doing bombing runs while dropping drugs in a septic field over Texas"
The engine is just there to power the fan in front. The fan is there to keep the pilot cool. You can tell this is the purpose because, if the fan stops, the pilot starts sweating. The stick is to make the houses smaller or larger. Push forward, the houses get bigger. Pull back, the houses get smaller, until they start getting bigger very quickly.
This is why WWII bombing missions had hundreds of planes dropping thousands of bombs. If you make a couple square miles look like the surface of the moon, a good number of the bombs are guaranteed to hit your target.
In the run where the closest flour-bomb landed within 30 to 50 feet of the target, assuming that the plane was only going 80 miles per hour, then to hit the target, Brian would have had to drop that bomb 0.256 to 0.426 seconds later. That is such a small margin of error, and to use that information on future runs, you would have to not only assume that all of the wind conditions are the same, but that the pilot is on the exact same line and altitude as well.
Stuff like this makes you understand why bombs do miss their targets. Or at least used to. Not like there's a guidance system on flour but goddamnit that should be their next video
@@kavalogue My thoughts exactly! They should at least make the flour packets more aerodynamic so their trajectory is a bit more controllable and repeatable.
@@dmasskill3289 Landing a light plane like this is surprisingly straightforward. C172 is particularly nice for that. The part that takes some getting used to mostly has to do with judging the approach and setting up a glide slope. If you have an instructor next to you who is giving you direction, it's kind of hard to mess up. Couple of hours of instruction and I'm sure they can do it.
That flight footage, especially the take off, reminded me so much of my own flying. Parents bought my a flight lesson for Christmas and like hell I wasn't going to take it. Also the radio communication was surprisingly effective. Not to mention the fact a snoop appeared to catch on quite quick (11:59)
Y’all probably never hear of it. But there is this program called Civil Air Patrol(CAP) in which I am apart of. CAP is the auxiliary of the air force and just before Bryan was about to take off, they got a small clip of a white, blue, and red Cessna plane. That plane was a CAP plane and I guarantee you that there was a young cadet taking an O-ride. Idk I just thought that was cool.
4:08 Hey, that is actually a legit fighter combat tactic. The first rule in the first ever air combat tactics manual, the Dicta Boelcke, which was written in 1916, states that you should always attack with the sun at your back, so the enemy has a harder time seeing and engaging you with return fire. So if the Red Brian was worried about Jason shooting at him with a Vickers Gun from the ground, he performed his bombing run from the best possible direction.
I was gonna say! AFAIK this is all pretty much how this sort of thing would have worked during the Great War. Also, I loled at your "bet they don't have this in London" comment! I have seen warbirds drop flower petals at airshows, though, so who knows?! Doing this at night would be an extra layer of challenge for sure!
Question: What are the rules regarding doing these flour bombing runs, but instead of flour, it's flower seeds (indigenous to the area, of course)? A sort of rogue aerial bee-food repopulation bombardment?
14 CFR § 91.15: No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property. / Provided you're not spreading invasive species, you're probably ok, but you would do well to consult an attorney familiar with Federal Aviation Regulations and local ordinances, which I am not.
This is great. I five minutes i figured out witch airport you took off at, and flew along the same flight path in flight sim. i took a wild guess, and when i checked my heading, your pilot called it out. gotta say, that air port is better in real life. less trees to fly into on take off.
This reminds me: Way back on Colecovision I had (technically still have) this game called _The Dam Busters,_ and it was the most infuriating thing to play because the whole point was to bomb a dam during WWII at night while also piloting and avoiding AA fire. The instructions were pretty useless as they couldn't just tell you you had to release at a certain height and distance from the target as well as expect the bomb to skip across the water to hit the dam.
Years ago I knew a retired air force Colonel who had his own grass airstrip and we used to do this. We'd mark a giant bullseye on the runway and take turns bombing it with 5 pound bags of flower.
Just trying to find the water towers at 8:26 and 9:23 is harder than I expected. I was able to follow the flight up to that point then I lost them. I might cheat and look up the track on flightaware.
Honestly, that last pass would have been sufficiently accurate for a 1000lb bomb against soft targets. (Predominantly trucks, infantry, & parked aircraft.)
The way you talked at the end sounded like a great way to connect your different kinds of videos. "We should do this again, but with a bigger field...": you can start with the videos where you just throw stuff together and see if it works (still having Cory research it for you if it's one of those more dangerous ones), and intend it to only be an exploratory thing. Then you can get all the feedback from the comments, do some heavier research, and bring in the pros. You already sorta do that, but planning for it to be separate "dumb ideas in a garage" and "done under professional supervision" episodes would give you the opportunity of less backseat driving in the comments complaining about preparation, and more time with the pros (because you would already have done the basics).
I have two episode ideas: 1. Boxing. If you know HEMA guys, they might know a bare knuckle guy that could teach London Prize style rules. That is the perfect modern rogue's martial art. 2. Intro to powerlifting. You could get someone to teach how to do 5x5 stronglifts or something like that.
@@LouerTube Before the video was posted, there was a "pre-premiere", you know, those countdowns, where the title was called "MYSTERIOUS" something something and three of clubs.
The FAA rules on dropping things out of aircraft are wonderfully worded. I remember our CFI telling us about these sorts of competitions at the airport I was taking flight lessons at. It's a wild combination of covering the safety basics and, "Sure, I suppose, if you really want to..." but put into phrasing of a legal document.
For a minute there, I thought Dean was Richard Garriot. I freaked out! "OMG! THEY GOT LORD BRITISH ON THE SHOW!!!" So, there ya do, Dean. You look like the king of a mythical fantasy kingdom.
Imagine how much fun this would be with a paramotor. Lower velocity, perfect visibility, and the potential for really low passes. Just need a duffel bag to carry flour bombs
If you were exceedingly clever you could have worked out a system of two lights at different heights so that at a distance you would have a point to line up on and when the two lights appear to meet drop the bags.
I've been on the A300 Zero-G as part of my masters in physics. That is the Airbus A300 test plane that ESA uses for zero-gravity experiments. I've never been that nauseous, down to getting a fever. The issue is mostly the recovery after the zero-g time. Feels like very bad turbulence.
if you do it again maybe try a colored powder like chalk dust or something. Colored powder would be easier to find the impact points, and would look cooler too. A red dust cloud and splatter point.
Momentum? The bags would have an initial velocity equal to the speed of the plane and would continue to travel forward, rather than falling straight down.
Cool to see why bombing runs were hard and ineffective. unless you had lots of bombs and planes like in WWll or a bigger bomb like the atomic bomb where it didnt matter if you hit your mark or not. or now a days where fuck with aiming the bomb has a rocket that will do it for you.
Yeah after watching a rugby game (New Zealand vs South Africa) when someone had got a plane and dropped flour bomb on the game they where really close to flying into the goal posts and only then where they able to hit the pitch.
so not gunna lie and no i swear im not as old as one may think by making this statement, but this so reminds me of the episode of MASH. 5oclock charlie. same day every day few his beat up air plane over camp to drop a single bomb by hand trying to hit an ammo depo that was put just outside the wire. my father used to watch MASH everyday so natuarly i grew up watching MASH as well.
For some of the largest atomic bomb test, the delivery vehicle flew a very specific pattern to basically fling the bomb really far and get out of the Danger Zone.
Brain could definitely have used a CCIP at that point (Computer Calculated Impact Point). They are Reticles that shows up on Fighter Attacker jets such as F/A18 Hornets which shows the pilot where the Dumb Ordinance (none guided ordinance) will land
Next up on the Modern Rogue: Samson and the Chooch do Kung Fu in zero G, skydrive out of the exploding plane and parachute down to the HQ to stop TMZ Cobra who has been taken over by Dress Pants Robot Man!
I’ve got no clue about the legality or safety of it, but perhaps using a smoke flare to mark drop location? Like they mentioned, it’s probably difficult to see the target from the sky. But if you can see the smoke signal, that should help?
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2? Why not... 3?
Not for kids, yes, but what about toddlers and babies? I can get them for my nephews, depending on the age you consider them not being kids, so at least through the age of... *3* .
Next time for added fun, squawk 7500 from the plane in order to meet Airforce pilots.
Brian, Jason, the rest of the team, WHY DIDNT YOU HAVE SMOKE BOMBS AT THE DROP ZONE????
if you do this again- put a live feed gopro on the nose pointed down to use as a Bombardier's sight
Also, you could paint the payload neon orange for better visibility.
Every aircraft you fly in has at least one loose screw ...we generally call this "the pilot".
I can't imagine what this sounded like to any amature radio enthusiasts happening to listen, "we are ready to drop the package"
My thoughts exactly. Some people have a story they'll tell for their entire lives now no doubt. "Ay remember that time we observed golden eagle doing bombing runs while dropping drugs in a septic field over Texas"
I’d have lost my shit at “operation: INNOCENT WHITE POWDER”
@ET Hardcorgamer that's incredibly silly and a kind-of neat way to make things a little bit lighter in wartime tbh.
@ET Hardcorgamer I can 100% hear Sam ONella saying that lmao
The engine is just there to power the fan in front. The fan is there to keep the pilot cool.
You can tell this is the purpose because, if the fan stops, the pilot starts sweating.
The stick is to make the houses smaller or larger. Push forward, the houses get bigger. Pull back, the houses get smaller, until they start getting bigger very quickly.
This is why WWII bombing missions had hundreds of planes dropping thousands of bombs. If you make a couple square miles look like the surface of the moon, a good number of the bombs are guaranteed to hit your target.
I had the same thought. It was really enlightening.
That and bomb sights
By WW2 they had quite sophisticated bombing sights. They still required the large volume of bombs and/or good visibility.
@@MarvinCZ i just commented about Dive bombing haha. Stuka siren intensifies
@@ModernRogue dumb bombs. Don't need to be smart when you got alot of tough buddies.
The holy trinity warrior, scoundrel and gentleman. THE CULT OF 3
You know what other holy trinity has a cult following ( hint look at my pfp)
3
3 Club. Never forget.
It's good to be 3
The 3 club will live on
4:30 The "thank goodness" from Brian after realizing he may have been on the mic with the tower was just too much 😂
Tower would've been pissed.
@@sage18000 And the DEA would be interested.
In the run where the closest flour-bomb landed within 30 to 50 feet of the target, assuming that the plane was only going 80 miles per hour, then to hit the target, Brian would have had to drop that bomb 0.256 to 0.426 seconds later. That is such a small margin of error, and to use that information on future runs, you would have to not only assume that all of the wind conditions are the same, but that the pilot is on the exact same line and altitude as well.
Stuff like this makes you understand why bombs do miss their targets. Or at least used to. Not like there's a guidance system on flour but goddamnit that should be their next video
@@kavalogue My thoughts exactly! They should at least make the flour packets more aerodynamic so their trajectory is a bit more controllable and repeatable.
As a student pilot it's so exciting to see y'all hop in a plane. You should make a video on The Modern Rogue Lands a Plane!
Collab with Mentour Pilot on how to autoland a Boeing 737
Good idea but i've seen these guys shoot themselves with a bow and arrow somehow
@@dmasskill3289 Landing a light plane like this is surprisingly straightforward. C172 is particularly nice for that. The part that takes some getting used to mostly has to do with judging the approach and setting up a glide slope. If you have an instructor next to you who is giving you direction, it's kind of hard to mess up. Couple of hours of instruction and I'm sure they can do it.
Your wooded areas are going to be beautiful next year when all of those flours grow.
That flight footage, especially the take off, reminded me so much of my own flying. Parents bought my a flight lesson for Christmas and like hell I wasn't going to take it.
Also the radio communication was surprisingly effective. Not to mention the fact a snoop appeared to catch on quite quick (11:59)
That was my favorite part!!
Your parents bought you lessons for christmas? Jesus fuck lmao
Nothing like a scanner with CloseCall enabled.
as an aircraft inspector, seeing that screw come loose is the least of my concerns at that point lol
Y’all probably never hear of it. But there is this program called Civil Air Patrol(CAP) in which I am apart of. CAP is the auxiliary of the air force and just before Bryan was about to take off, they got a small clip of a white, blue, and red Cessna plane. That plane was a CAP plane and I guarantee you that there was a young cadet taking an O-ride. Idk I just thought that was cool.
You called a red white and blue plane a white blue and red plane… did you never get the reference to our flag colors?
4:08 Hey, that is actually a legit fighter combat tactic. The first rule in the first ever air combat tactics manual, the Dicta Boelcke, which was written in 1916, states that you should always attack with the sun at your back, so the enemy has a harder time seeing and engaging you with return fire.
So if the Red Brian was worried about Jason shooting at him with a Vickers Gun from the ground, he performed his bombing run from the best possible direction.
I was gonna say! AFAIK this is all pretty much how this sort of thing would have worked during the Great War. Also, I loled at your "bet they don't have this in London" comment! I have seen warbirds drop flower petals at airshows, though, so who knows?! Doing this at night would be an extra layer of challenge for sure!
Question: What are the rules regarding doing these flour bombing runs, but instead of flour, it's flower seeds (indigenous to the area, of course)? A sort of rogue aerial bee-food repopulation bombardment?
14 CFR § 91.15:
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.
/
Provided you're not spreading invasive species, you're probably ok, but you would do well to consult an attorney familiar with Federal Aviation Regulations and local ordinances, which I am not.
I vaguely remember seeing team trees doing something like that with seedlings. I believe it’s an actual reforestation technique.
@@StrokeMahEgo my favorite thing about the FARs is that as long as you are in a remote area they let you do all the fun stuff
Ok but what if you do it with cannabis seeds?
@@JackParsons2 _*the FBI has entered the chat_
This video was a pure 3 out of 3 experience.
This is great. I five minutes i figured out witch airport you took off at, and flew along the same flight path in flight sim. i took a wild guess, and when i checked my heading, your pilot called it out. gotta say, that air port is better in real life. less trees to fly into on take off.
As someone who is currently studying for my private pilots license, I enjoyed this considerably.
Good luck! Did you solo yet?
the fact you said "operation: innocent white powder" over a radio, and not Operation: flour power...
You should do more episodes involving aviation. I love aviation and would love to see what you can do.
This reminds me: Way back on Colecovision I had (technically still have) this game called _The Dam Busters,_ and it was the most infuriating thing to play because the whole point was to bomb a dam during WWII at night while also piloting and avoiding AA fire. The instructions were pretty useless as they couldn't just tell you you had to release at a certain height and distance from the target as well as expect the bomb to skip across the water to hit the dam.
They actually made a game about that mission, way back in the Colecovision days? Huh, that's kind of cool.
That was a good 3♣️ meeting, can’t wait for the next meeting
I like your profile pic, crumb is very cool.
See you next meeting
Penn and Teller would have been proud.
3
3
Years ago I knew a retired air force Colonel who had his own grass airstrip and we used to do this. We'd mark a giant bullseye on the runway and take turns bombing it with 5 pound bags of flower.
next week a 100lb pound of flour with the words "Fat Man" sharpie-d on it. :-D
That's one small step for rogue, one giant leap for roguekind.
Am I the only one who thinks I’ll be really fun doing this with those whistling Nerf footballs
That would have to sound *horrifying*
Great meeting 3♣. Definitely made some great progress.
Remember, this is not an aerial dispersion test for Anthrax.
cant lie man every time i see a @the modern rogue upload i get so happy i feel like im coming home to all my rogues lol
OK, Rogues. Anybody who hasn't managed to geolocate MRHQ by now, all that overhead footage should give you plenty to work with. Get on it!
Just trying to find the water towers at 8:26 and 9:23 is harder than I expected. I was able to follow the flight up to that point then I lost them. I might cheat and look up the track on flightaware.
Or… Google maps it. We’re really not hard to find, we’re just not ready for guests.
Was my first thought and first after-video thing to do :D
It's clearly the Modern Rogue Salon in Garland, TX
I can’t believe RUclips not showing you on my home page. It suck you guy are seriously one of my favorite RUclips channels. You guys need a show!!
Honestly, that last pass would have been sufficiently accurate for a 1000lb bomb against soft targets. (Predominantly trucks, infantry, & parked aircraft.)
The way you talked at the end sounded like a great way to connect your different kinds of videos. "We should do this again, but with a bigger field...": you can start with the videos where you just throw stuff together and see if it works (still having Cory research it for you if it's one of those more dangerous ones), and intend it to only be an exploratory thing. Then you can get all the feedback from the comments, do some heavier research, and bring in the pros. You already sorta do that, but planning for it to be separate "dumb ideas in a garage" and "done under professional supervision" episodes would give you the opportunity of less backseat driving in the comments complaining about preparation, and more time with the pros (because you would already have done the basics).
I have two episode ideas: 1. Boxing. If you know HEMA guys, they might know a bare knuckle guy that could teach London Prize style rules. That is the perfect modern rogue's martial art. 2. Intro to powerlifting. You could get someone to teach how to do 5x5 stronglifts or something like that.
3♣️
People who don't know: "why a three of clubs?"
People who know: "the holy meeting of 3♣️"
What is this?
@@LouerTube wdym, you must not know. 3
@@LouerTube Before the video was posted, there was a "pre-premiere", you know, those countdowns, where the title was called "MYSTERIOUS" something something and three of clubs.
@@LouerTube Secret club. No girls allowed.
The FAA rules on dropping things out of aircraft are wonderfully worded. I remember our CFI telling us about these sorts of competitions at the airport I was taking flight lessons at. It's a wild combination of covering the safety basics and, "Sure, I suppose, if you really want to..." but put into phrasing of a legal document.
rogues, what you don't know is that we found everything we needed with that helicopter
-TMZC
For a minute there, I thought Dean was Richard Garriot. I freaked out! "OMG! THEY GOT LORD BRITISH ON THE SHOW!!!" So, there ya do, Dean. You look like the king of a mythical fantasy kingdom.
Hey that’s San Marcos Airport, I’m based out of there! We should do this with Night Vision Goggles in our Dash-8 or Twin Otter!
My wife and I loved this episode! It's easily one of the coolest videos you guys have made! This and the Sumo one are top tier good. Great work guys!
I'd love to see this done again but with targeted parachute care packages.
Imagine how much fun this would be with a paramotor. Lower velocity, perfect visibility, and the potential for really low passes. Just need a duffel bag to carry flour bombs
Are we just going to ignore the amazing radio master joke? 😂
It would be super cool to use that mirror beacon trick that was in an episode a way back, give the plane something bright to see to line up.
If you were exceedingly clever you could have worked out a system of two lights at different heights so that at a distance you would have a point to line up on and when the two lights appear to meet drop the bags.
"Sounds like they're doing bombing runs."
I've been on the A300 Zero-G as part of my masters in physics. That is the Airbus A300 test plane that ESA uses for zero-gravity experiments. I've never been that nauseous, down to getting a fever. The issue is mostly the recovery after the zero-g time. Feels like very bad turbulence.
Current title:
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Left a like for 3 club. Miss you guys already
On the Mongolian Archery episode Jason promised making booze from horse milk this is just a friendly reminder of said promise 👌. Keep up the good work
I never use VPNs. I love it when Krampus be crampin'!
Would have been cool if they put air tags in to track their drops
This was definitely a 3 out of 3 video. 3 thumbs up.
This is a good way of showing to others how WW1 bombing was a really unprecise and hard thing
boy, you're not kidding. It was WAAAAY harder than anticipated.
You should do this again and put bluetooth tracking gps squares inside the flour bags. Then drop them when it reads the right coordinates.
"Innocent White Powder" That's the name of my Doors cover band!
if you do it again maybe try a colored powder like chalk dust or something. Colored powder would be easier to find the impact points, and would look cooler too. A red dust cloud and splatter point.
If you guys wanted to do an episode on home-made aircraft you'd wanna get in contact with Peter Sripol
Momentum? The bags would have an initial velocity equal to the speed of the plane and would continue to travel forward, rather than falling straight down.
Cool to see why bombing runs were hard and ineffective. unless you had lots of bombs and planes like in WWll or a bigger bomb like the atomic bomb where it didnt matter if you hit your mark or not. or now a days where fuck with aiming the bomb has a rocket that will do it for you.
All hail the holy 3
Welp, we broke out of _the 3 hell_ but it put us at the end of the video. Fantastic!
3 club baby!
3 CLUB WILL LIVE ON!!!!
Yeah after watching a rugby game (New Zealand vs South Africa) when someone had got a plane and dropped flour bomb on the game they where really close to flying into the goal posts and only then where they able to hit the pitch.
Next time Jason needs to dig a trench in a field. Put up some barb wire and barricades and have an M1 Garand and wear a piss pot🤣
3♣ never forget
19:06 Brian: "Looks like we got a trail." Then proceeds to pan the camera shot over dog turds. LOL
>Dropping bombs on our own HQ
That's one hell of a title!
so not gunna lie and no i swear im not as old as one may think by making this statement, but this so reminds me of the episode of MASH. 5oclock charlie. same day every day few his beat up air plane over camp to drop a single bomb by hand trying to hit an ammo depo that was put just outside the wire. my father used to watch MASH everyday so natuarly i grew up watching MASH as well.
Only OG viewers will get this “3”
*Jason says something*
Subtitles: *Applause*
For some of the largest atomic bomb test, the delivery vehicle flew a very specific pattern to basically fling the bomb really far and get out of the Danger Zone.
things you could also put in this are chilli powder, sneeze powder, itch powder, powder paint
Proud member of the 3 of clubs
Why did I both expect and not expect this
Oh yeah Its Modern Rogue...carry on
Man, Texas is a hell of a place
I was here for 3 but not the actual video, just watching now
3 CLUB!
This is a great episode!!
Love the changing Titels. :-)
3 is magical.
Brain could definitely have used a CCIP at that point (Computer Calculated Impact Point). They are Reticles that shows up on Fighter Attacker jets such as F/A18 Hornets which shows the pilot where the Dumb Ordinance (none guided ordinance) will land
This was surprising organized compared to their usual antics
Franks plane looks great!!
I love the episode, I just wish there are subs. Auto-generated is a hit or a miss often times
Definitely, there are parts where it’s hard to even hear what they’re saying with all the static
The brothers of the 3
Next up on the Modern Rogue: Samson and the Chooch do Kung Fu in zero G, skydrive out of the exploding plane and parachute down to the HQ to stop TMZ Cobra who has been taken over by Dress Pants Robot Man!
Not gonna lie, "November One-Seven-Two(,) Juliet Delta" sounds like a _perfect_ name for the spy who loved you.
I’ve got no clue about the legality or safety of it, but perhaps using a smoke flare to mark drop location? Like they mentioned, it’s probably difficult to see the target from the sky. But if you can see the smoke signal, that should help?
Can't wait for this episode to come out in understandable ☺️☺️☺️
"Bogeys air-speed insufficient for intercept - suggest we get out and walk..."
While watching this I had the song "Bales of Cocaine" by Reverend Horton Heat in my head.
Representing 3!
Hmm, it's nearly 2022. Why do aircraft communications still sound like they're being transmitted directly from the moon in 1969? 4:36
BECAUSE ITS SO FUN!!!
Well well well look who's back
What did Brant say before Brian said " we were this close to naming my third daughter that"?
He just read the registration #s of the plane
Probably Jason messing with the tech again
Oh shit I never realized targeted ads come from everyone in your house. That explains why I get so many ads for fishing stuff when I don't fish.
3 for life