Deciphering Hobo Code
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1:08 a lifestyle of necessity
3:39 pop quiz for Brian
8:54 hobo code in the "wild"
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modern rogue:
5% stuff you will use
10% stuff you'll never use
85% stuff you hope you never use
this is so deeply correct
Or depending on who you ask, stuff you hope you do use.
Rogue code: a sign that means "injury likely", one for "probably won't work", and one for "this is unbearably awesome".
This please. I look forward to future videos having these glyphs hidden in various, foreshadowed places
"Injury likely" would just be two zeros, as in the reset injury counter
A crossed-out glove that means "Need dexterity"
"Do not try this at home."
Don't forget "go away bad guys"
them trying to find meaning in the symbols is like an english teacher trying to find hidden meaning in a book
I mean, if it was obvious to anyone what they meant, they wouldn't be good code would they?
Yep. It’s a cryptographic code.
Yeah its called symbology
The curtains are blue because....
so, easy?
Necessary Rogue Code: something stating there are other Modern Rogues nearby.
Yes, that's my first one as well.
Simply MR would be good. Then you yell GRILLED CHEESE to find them.
Further necessity, a symbol for hazards, perhaps something related to zero days, and the injury counter.
@@MrBlack0950 I like it, how about -0000-
A bowtie would be my idea
a sword or dagger hilt inside a square means scoundrel , a shield means a warrior and a mustache means a gentleman, brass knuckles mean be wary of fights, three cubes ,means good bar or place to get a drink, circle in a square means surveillance
I think a good tribute to hobo code would be to use the same top hat symbol for gentleman
Amend gentleman to a top hat and good bar to 3 squares and then I think that’s a good plan
The lines meaning housewife giving food for chores made me think of "honey do" list.
00:00:00 need to mean injured or wounded.
@@brentreece3905 Or could just be :00. Faster to write, smaller profile...Oooh...wait... How many "00:" there are indicates risk. :00 is low, 00:00 is medium, 00:00:00 is SUPER DANGEROUS.
Brian happy jumping:"we're both learning"
Lets hope they stay young at heart forever.
Too cute!!
I'm learnding
I love Brian's optimism in trying to discern an etymology to all of the symbols. They're probably deliberately random so that normies wouldn't be able to guess at what they mean, except for the rare hit -- such as the cross or the medical thingie.
The medical staff is supposed to be one snake (the staff of Asclepius, god of medicine), but someone mixed it up with the twin snaked staff of Hermes, god of theives and messengers (caduceus staff) and the mistake was copied until it became the standard.
God of thieves tricked the world, color me surprised haha
But also travelers which fits the traveling doctors in the day
Also I believe the caduceus was also used to mean "non-combatant" so it was used to indicate field medical personnel, among other people
twas me yes
It was two things: the US Army Medical Corps changed their symbols, and the caduceus was commonly used as a publisher symbol by a few medical printers. It’s only an American confusion
The "Rogue Code" DEFINITELY needs a symbol for "Crowd/people easily entertained", to pick the right bars to come perform and get easy beers!
upside down top hat like a Busker asking for change
New Rouge Code Idea:
Two zeros next to each other (00) means to reset the injury counter
To keep things thematic, 00 could mean "the job here is highly dangerous, regardless of skill level" like meat packing back in the 1920s in America
Dammit, I just posted a comment for "reset the injury counter" 😂 You were first, so you win.
And I thought it just meant toilet.
My read on the "housewife offers food for chores" glyph is that it's a to-do list.
That makes a lot of sense!
The "food here" symbol also looks like a hot-cross bun. And the "man with gun" makes me think of someone with their hands up, like at gunpoint.
I'd say a good structure for Rogue Code (which, btw, is my dad's screenname. lol) would be subdivide it into the "Gentleman, Warrior, Scoundrel" and start with maybe 3 of each.
And a tenth that's just a MR identifier. Maybe a simplified BB star?
An example for scoundrel: "this bar friendly to scams"
Im in Austin while my girlfriend builds a skatepark in Bastrop. I was curious if your headquarters was open to the public and as a former train riding nomad myself I wanted to show you this code. Ive given a few of these as tattoos. And have the symbol for keep going tattooed on myself.
I would try emailing them. It would be really cool to see someone knowledgeable in this talk about it with them.
Idea: Jason and Brian attempt an ‘Urban Survival’ challenge. Their job is to traverse from one side of a city to the other, and end up with more money than they started out with. They’ll have to use their hobo skills to complete the mission, and pick up odd jobs and entertain the public to make money like a true hobo.
I dunno, I think Brian would just buy a deck of cards, spend a few days straight at a bar and show up at the finish line with a pocket full of bills, a pair of Ray-Bans he won in a bet and the smell of fire torch fuel on his breath.
I keep expecting an episode on "Homo Code" where Grandpa Murphy discusses old timey ways that people had to signal each other, without outing themselves.
That’s Polari a descendant of carnival speak
So like the old bandan code where you would hang it out of your right pocket to show you where a bottom and the left to show you where a top, and the color coincided with your main kink? Thus the reason why the gay pride flag is a rainbow.
Beats me, I couldn't give you an example... but it seems like there would have to be some sort of system to meet/hook up.... Probably varies by country, if not even more regional.
Does feel like a neat topic that probably has a lot of depth, as (generally speaking) it wasn't "accepted" in most of the past.
@@lokithecat7225 Again polari grew out of necessity because homosexuality was illegal in Britain and is where the phrase “Friends of Dorothy” came from to mean gay people because in the wizard of Oz she describes the group as “A bit queer”
@@johnbeauvais3159 So, that would be a good example of the UKs (according to Wiki) solution. There are a lot of other countries that probably developed different codes/signals.
The channel "How To Make Everything" made their own writing system, and it has even evolved over time. You could learn from there
Good shit love that channel
The first thing I thought of was Goblet Grotto, actually
Maybe for the term "rogue" you could do a straight line that has a couple waves at the end (similar to a lockpick)
For the rouge code you need a sign that the wifi might not be safe cause of hackers. You need one to mark that a restaurant has good food and drinks. One that says other rouges are live near by. Even one that says a neighborhood is dangerous.
Sorry, as a friend, it's probably "rogue". GD autocorrect.
Bad wifi could be just the wifi bars with an X under it. Good food is a right triangle with a wavy line on the hypotenuse to represent grilled cheese. RM is for rogues here. Bad neighborhood could be a large knife maybe
fam, listen, I say this because I love you, unless you’re the one that set it up, all wifi is unsafe. treat every gun as loaded, treat all blood as infected, treat all wifi as unsafe
Add a symbol for bars that serve especially large shots
I know of a few that basically give you half a glass of liquor
📶👁= unsecured WiFi, 📶🛡=secured wifi
Total freedom requires a nomadic lifestyle and almost pure poverty.
Me: I find your terms acceptable.
“The best tea tastes delicious whether it comes out of a porcelain pot, or an old tin cup. There is simple honor in poverty”
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In my small town, they have an old 2 room jail used back in the late 19th and early 20th century. They only locked up people once in it ( a group of teens for stealing strawberries during a fair.) Anyway, we had lots of hobos back then. Because of the railroad station so we basically turned it into a hobo Bed and breakfast. They always could use old jail as they pleased and lots came and go as they went. In fact their
is a little museum bit in it talking about all the rail riders who helped keep the town running.
The four lines of doing chores represents plowing a field, mowing, laundry lines, sweeping, painting, or planting a garden
List of chores
Rogue Code: a symbol of a 9 connected to a 0 with an arrow, meaning "entering here will reset the injury counter". And of course, a rectangle with a smaller rectangle attached to its top and fancy legs coming out the bottom, meaning "Dresspants Robotman is here".
I imagine that the 4 horizontal lines comes from a Honey do list. It reminds me of line paper
My thought was the rows of a plowed field.
Reminded of a list, or striking items off a list.
My bet is a clothes line
@@FenTastic18 My thoughts exactly.
Best way to create a Rogue Code is probably to assemble a set of modifiers. For example, a Negator (Not/Don't/No) could double your inventory of symbols. Similarly, a symbol for Difficulty, for Danger, et c.
Not mine but: danger/risk indicated by (00) to refer to the injury counter, and level of danger/risk by how many zeros.
I don't know what it'd be, but we need a Rogue Code symbol for "good beer here" or "good price of beer here"
Absolutely this, then with rogue code 2.0 additions for good/cheap food.
Wait! Maybe the rogue code is already partly written. $ $$ $$$ in restaurant reviews.
Alchemical symbols are super simple, and can have very rogueish meanings: For example, the symbol for fire (triangle pointing upwards) could indicate a place to set up camp, while the symbol for water (a triangle pointing down) could indicate a place to refill water, take a bath, etc. Both overlaid on each other could mean "fire water", or a good place for a stiff drink...
You just described the star of David as a symbol
@@thisaccountisntreal107 Omw to the synagogue for some firewater.
In an alternate reality, hobo code is deciphering you
That probably happens in soviet russia.
"What could they possibly be doing?"
"It's honestly indecipherable."
My contribution to the code:
Gentleman: top hat
Warrior: crude gun, like a tetris L piece, stem facing right
Scoundrel: eyebrows, one raised. Drawn as a downward-open semi-circle, followed by a straight line
Needs a cryptic addition like "pray while shooting" just to scare newcomers.
My friend was born in 1927 and left the house at 9 years old to go make money for his family and he would ride rails and work odd jobs and send home money. When he was 16 he joined the army because 50 dollars a month was a lot of money and they gave him food and clothing. Then he learned he could make double that by being a paratrooper so he volunteered to join the 101st. One month after his 17th birthday he jumped into a dark sky over France.
People were just tough back then, no other way about it.
That giddy little “ooo look at us we’re both learning!” made my day
I heard somewhere that the use of "mark" for pro wrestling fans also originated in the carnival (like pro wrestling did) where somebody would fall for the act and someone would do that chalk thing, indicating that this "mark" doesn't realize the wrestling is a work.
I like how the symbol for "They have a gun" is the symbol for man, with its hands up.
Oh it’s probably how you will end up if you go futher,hands in the air while at gunpoint
I'm kinda surprised they didn't hit on that, actually. To me that one reads as a "hands up or I'll shoot!"
My great-great uncle Hoojin (aka. Lawrence Everett Smith) was an honest-to-god Hobo. I remember my Grammy telling me stories about him and his travels when I was a kid.
Two circles with Xs through them
Means "idiots at play, enter area at your own risk"
You read my mind. Just yesterday I got out my hobo markings book. My grandfather taught it to me.
I love codes and cyphers, etc.
Rogue Code ideas:
*1. Gentleman*
A simple drawing of a bottle. A gentlemen always enjoys his fine liquor. This illustration allows travelers to know that a gentleman lives near.
*2. Warrior*
A drawing of a spear. A warrior is always armed. This illustration alerts travelers to the notion that the homeowner will defend themselves if needed.
*3. Scoundrel*
A drawing of a cartoon bomb (see here: 💣). The scoundrel is a cunning person, neither friend nor enemy. This will recommend travelers remain safe, and attempt not to anger the homeowner.
*4. Low security*
This drawing looks like a broken window (simple box with a criss-crossed window pane, and zig-zagged lines to show cracks). It informs travelers on the prospect of easy to gather goods, typically through breaking and entering.
In opposition to “Little security”:
4.1. High security
A similar drawing of a window, though with multiple vertical lines going from top to bottom to signify a barred window, to warn potential invaders that the home is well protected.
*5. Police activity*
A drawing of the letter “C” (taking inspiration from the ASL symbol for ‘police’). This warns travelers of constant police activity in surrounding areas.
Edit: Got some more ideas
*6. Pickpockets nearby*
A drawing of key, broken in half (to signify the bypassing of security). This warns travelers to keep an eye on their possessions.
*7. Easy money*
A drawing of a dollar sign (see here: $). This alerts travelers to the prospect of easy money to be made.
*8. Spooks easy*
A cartoonish drawing of a ghost. This isn’t always necessary for the survival of the traveler, but can be helpful. It lets them know that the resident can be easily scared or startled.
*9. Non/smoking zone*
A drawing of a cigarette with a line possible crossed through it. This tells travelers whether or not smoking is or is not allowed nearby (in case the mood strikes to smoke some alcohol).
*10. Changelings nearby*
No drawings could possible grasp the horror of this fact. The only way I can think is a stick figure with its face scribbled out to represent its ever changing form. Beware of this sign, and if you notice it, have your loose change at the ready. You’ll need a viable weapon.
That’s all I’ve got for now. Hopefully you guys can get some use out of my ideas!
I propose the grilled cheese-- two triangles, with the hypotenuses facing but separated, topped with a single squiggly line -- as the symbol that there is a modern rogue nearby.
Crude drawing of a glencairn: "There's whiskey here"
Oh damn it, I thought I came up with this first. You could even combine it with other symbols to indicate what you can do to get the whiskey. Like in my case,a cross, the number 42 or a sword could indicate that I'm willing to share my whiskey stash if you want to discuss religion, literature or history.
When's the limited edition Modern Rogue Grifter's suitcase coming out?
Brian: Tries really hard and gets close to hobo but... some how manages to be more hipster then hobo
Jason: Dunno if he's trying but full on hobo
Rogue code: don't need to buy something in order to use the toilet
Cause finiding a public toilet is Impossible nowadays
Target stores are a favorite of mine on road trips for that reason
You aint lying. It's not too bad in the suburbs because you can usually find a porta potty if you look long enough, but you can't find anything in the city.
As a professional valet, I often have to spell Nissan Rogue, while writing tickets. I LITERALLY can't do it without hearing @shwood shout at me.
Pretty sure the simple line symbols, like ‘anything goes’ and ‘kind housewife’ are things that are used often, so it was helpful for them to be quick and easy to draw.
Look up the artist ‘Swampy’ he’s a street artist that does video diaries of his journeys riding the rails on a JVC camcorder I think. He does a lot of stuff about hobo code.
The modern rogue is just Drake and Josh but both Jason and Brian are both Josh.
Wife's currently in labor, but one must not miss an episode of The Modern Rogue..
A true rogue. Make sure you teach the child all of the ways!
Dod you get to her to the hospital yet
How is it going? all ok?
Healthy baby girl, already watching episodes.
@@kerndesertpreppers1274 CONGRATS 🎉
Rogue code: Writing alphabets from end to start can represent how far a place is. The closer the message is to A, the farther the place is. For example, ZYXW can represent that a safe place is 4 kilometres away, while ZYXWVUTSR can indicate that a safe place is 9 kilometres away. These symbols can be written vertically or horizontally, or can have small lines on top of them to indicate whether you have to head North, West, East or South.
You guys are so awesome, hitch hiking/train hopping I learned some of these things.
8:45 CEOs during the pandemic pretending they're making sacrifices too be like:
Notification Gang!
Man is it good to be in an Aussie timezone, Morning Rogue
Rouge Code ideas:
Four parallel short vertical lines above a horizontal line with an up tick at the end: Easy to pick
A box next to a triangle facing it: Under surveillance
Three stacked horizontal lines above a dot: Free wifi
Three stacked horizontal lines above an x: Wifi dangerous / hackers around
A sideways zigzag with a box at the end: Fellow rogue
Upside-down triangle above a circle: Beware of changelings
Being from Iowa I always heard of our famous hobo convention and though I’ve never been I’m very proud of it
I'm just thinking about the fact that a lot of us saw Brian grow up, from Scam School to a mullet and talking about hobos.
there should def be 3 symbols that mean gentleman, warrior, and scoundrel
Top hat, spear, bow
The bow because robin hood
I love this idea
@8:20 the symbol is actually the Staff of Asclepius: a single snake wrapped around a staff. You'll see this symbol on ambulances. The caduceus is two snakes wrapped around a staff and a pair of wings and was the symbol of Mercury used by merchants. It became conflated with the Staff of Asclepius because of the similarity and the caduceus's use by apothecaries/pharmacies (which were a business first and healthcare providers second).
I have been waiting for you guys to to this exact thing!!!
be nice to have a symbol for a bar that has a good whiskey selection and one for cheap drinks. (I'm here from the whiskey tribe lol)
Flask like picture for whiskey, cocktail glass for "drinks just to get drunk"
Liquor flask with a crossed-off dollar symbol for cheap drinks, liquor flask with a W for good whiskey selection (if it has both, it should look like a “SW”).
NOT where I thought it was going to end up when Brian asked for the chalk.
Rogue Symbols to meet cool people:
* Bubbles: Has alcohol and likes to share
* Match: Hasn't seem Scam School, bar tricks are neat
* Cocktail Glass: Outstanding bartender, get recommendations
* MR: Will chat about Modern Rogue
* Book: Awesome life stories, loves to chat
* Lockpick: Cool skills, enjoys teaching the basics
* Slashed WiFi: .... Don't connect to this business' public WiFi.
* Meeple: Likes tabletop games/tabletop games played here
* Upside down Triforce (D20): Tabletop RPGs played here
See, I love this episode so much, and watch it whenever it pops up, not because I'm into the hobo life, or even really care about this particular topic at all, but because this is one of the few times you see BOTH Brian and Jason getting extremely, genuinely, excited. Not just happy, but beaming, and jumping, with excitement. Love to see that!
The M and R that are merged/connected means a Modern Rogue lives here!
You guys should use ASCII, or Unicode for your cipher. A modern rouge code should definitely be useable on the internet and for texting.
- ⫂⨝⪢⦷⧉
definitely
@@RICDirector ASCII is, I think, all the letters and numbers on a keyboard. It is very difficult to send unrecognized symbols via text box. I may be wrong though.
@@RICDirector 𓂺...
@@maxquayle2519 You are not wrong, but they have apps like "UnicodePad" for that.
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Reminds me a lot of the Hash House Harrier (a running/drinking group) trail markings. There are special symbols, usually drawn in chalk or flour, to let you know where a trail goes, where you might find beer, checkpoints you have to solve, when you're near the property of an unfriendly gun owner, where the afterparty is, etc.
Fun fact about the caduceus, it was a symbol of tricksters, travelers and thieves because it was a symbol of Hermes, the rod that was related to medicine has only one snake coiled around it as that is the rod of Asclepius the doctor so good he could revive the dead. The meaning of the latter was applied to the former from cultural drift and misunderstanding
I wish this was still a big thing today. Like houses with pumpkins saying they'll give you sweets at Halloween. People are so afraid of strangers these days, they're afraid to ask people for help.
Day *30* of reminding the Modern Rogue to do another radio video!
maybe they can make a homemade AM reciever if they can't get the transmission license, I've seen some tutorials on yt using a copper coil and a homemade diode
Soon.. soon. Made arrangements for this to happen in early summer. 😉
I think it's important, when developing a Rogue Code, to consider the FUNCTION. What does a Modern Rogue communicate? We'll definitely need a safety/danger indicator, and it's probably smart to say when to be a gentleman, a scoundrel, and a warrior.
I propose a vertical line with an X at the top for safety level. Mark the bottom for safe, middle for be wary, and top for get out.
When I was working at McDonald's we had this new guy. Quiet, to himself, but he was interesting. I got to talking to him just to find out he walked and hitched rides from Minnesota to Humboldt county and got a job at McDonald's to buy a new backpack. Some friends gave him a ride to where he stayed at just for him to lead them to the entrance of the forest and that's where he would say goodbye and see ya tomorrow at work.
We would walk back in the same general direction at 5am after shifts and he'd insist walking the highway with a J because it was faster. I miss him sometimes. Godspeed Corey I hope Florida is fun.
Can't believe i got here so early. It just auto played and it was only a minute old
check out Hobo Shoestring here on RUclips. 100% legit Hobo, documents his days riding rails around the country. awesome channel, pretty popular
it's fun how you struggle with the easy symbols like I saw the four lines and was like "yeah laundry to do here" that was a pretty obvious drying rack to me^^ and shovel: yeah work. can be the morgue can be anything else. A shovel is just maybe the oldest symbol for menial labor I know of
love all the shenanigans y'all do just for the fun of it and cause you can
Want some rogue code. Try looking up the white wolf book called "hunter the reckoning" for ideas. They had a type of hobo code that also includes vampire, werewolf and hidden guns.
INHERIT THE EARTH
10 symbols? Food, booze, wifi, fellow rogue, friend of rogues, secret stash, beware of cameras, secret passage, look for messages, and rougue was here
The "handout" is also literally a loaf of bread, in imagery. A classic round loaf with an X, looked at from the top.
The way I read the four lines "food in exchange for chores" is that they are clothes lines. Back then doing laundry was pretty hard work.. imagining manually doing all the work your washing machine
Yeah... imagine.. Just imagine having to do the work of your washing machine... and your dishwasher... because you don't have a spare grand to replace them with something that's going to break in five months anyway...
Could you do one on Carny speak and life?
Brian: "When you go to the bathroom are you committing crimes?"
Me: "Depends what state/country I'm in."
Symbol for "gentleman and a scholar" is the hat but with a circle on the bottom right for a monocle
HEY MODERN ROGUE, POVILAZ (AND ME) WANTS ANOTHER RADIO EPISODE
Being a deep thinker, I've wondered if people always wiped their asses. If you stopped what would happen. Besides loss of friends and a divorce.
@@RICDirector Ya if I was in a public restroom and I heard a grown man say, " I'm done come wipe" I would loose it.
The lines that mean you can get food for chores might make a little sense actually if you view it as an old school washboard. Those would've been in use during the biggest period of hobo-ism because it was quite sometime before an automatic washing machine became a household staple.
That makes a lot of sense, saw it as a sort of chores list where the lines are the chores that need to be done
Brian jumping from pure joy and excitement makes me waaaaaaay to happy!
Love you all
hope you didnt leave that "anything goes" sign up....
Goooooood point.. I'll take that down now.. lol
Now I’m just imagining a couple of really confused Hobos walking through MR headquarters 🤣
You guys should have MR symbol mean something like "fellow rogue" or "allies". The lines facing each other could also be condensed into one to have more of a symbol then just some letters.
A diamond with an X inside it: People around here love a good card trick and will probably buy you a drink
MoRo Code?
MoRoCo
Good evening
Good evening, always nice to come in after a sunset to watch a fresh n hot modern rogue video
A circle with a line going horizontally through it, connecting to a larger outer rectangle.
Means there is a lock pickable chest
This channel has the best video topics!
I look up the style of pipe I have, you guys put up a video all about pipes;
I think about spending more time outside, maybe take up fishing, you two do a fishing episode;
& now that TriangleCity recommended a mod for Fallout: New Vegas for hobo code, you two do a video about that too! Very serendipitous!
I don't know what the symbols would be, but I know some Roguish but legal (or legal adjacent) necessities that need symbols.
Bartender is friendly/heavy handed:
Bathrooms available, clean:
Bathrooms available, use at own risk:
Police frequent here:
Games of skill available:
Betting available:
Wifi available, monitors use:
If you see/understand this, we're cool:
If you see/understand this, stay away:
and one that I just feel like is a good wholesome one in a sometimes dangerous world-
Children play here, keep an eye out for them:
If you're making a rogue set of codes there HAS to be one for "I buried goodies near this symbol" for dead drops and messages!
Alchemical symbols for fire/water/air/etc use triangles and lines in various configurations. Might be some good inspiration for Rogue Code
We absolutely need a rogue code, specifically something to indicate that a fellow rogue is nearby.
MR!
I have waited for this video! hobo code is so intriguing!
The lines for "chores for food" are clothing lines for hanging laundry or they're rows of gardens to seed/weed.
Fun fact: The symbol used for hospital / medical is actually two symbols. One snake (like the hobo code symbol) represents the Rod of Asclepius, a deity associated with medicine and healing. The one with two snakes, typically accompanied by wings, is the Caduceus, or the staff of Mercury. Mercury or Hermes were associated more often with things like transit, communication, knowledge, secrets, etc. But also sometimes medicine. The use of the Caduceus as a medical symbol is somewhat less common, but has become more popular over time, probably for many reasons.
Hobo codes are definitely still used today. At least in the south. I live in Georgia and have a couple of friends that hop trains and ride the rails. They've talked to me about it extensively. I can't remember what any of them mean because don't choose to live that way, thus I have no use for them, but they are DEFINITELY still a thing...
As someone who grew up in iowa, I really do want you guys to go to the hobo festival.