"SNBF" back in Tekken 5.0 was an acronym that describes the 4 most overpowered characters in the game: Steve, Nina, Bryan, Feng -- in that order. You've done Steve and Feng, I hope you continue with Nina and Bryan. :)
Law had to be top 10 in the game.. I think Heihachi or Law could be at 5 since they had a lot of bs. Law's b1,2,1 ch launched for half or 3/4ths of your life lol. Heihachi had 2,2,1+2 any -9 move that was guaranteed with a free ff2 that you couldn't escape. If you held F to kick up the ff2 would launch you for even more damage. Straight broken.
@@JohnLick96 personally I didn't like 4 and fell off with the series afterwards and then got back in with 7 because it's just a really great game. I loved tekken 3 too, I played it like 2 hours a day from middle school to my first year of college, before I even knew the FGC was a thing.
@@DrCooch lmao tbh I didn't like tekken 3 at first because I played so much tekken 2, so I probably didn't give it a fair chance growing up. Tekken 7 was the first one I sat down and learned after getting into the FGC
Yeah for a legacy game it has so little legacy costumes for any characters. Jin and King have previous Tekken costumes as far as I know, and it wouldn't take that much time to add it in the game.
Yeah or Ancient Ogre tekken 3 still the most broken tekken character ever by far Feng t5 was pretty annoying but I would trash people with Nina against him.
important note: feng was strong, but still quite beatable. he didn't end up in the same class as nina or bryan or steve. tourney results reflect as much.
@@angel1234534 well I'll be damned. I've been mislead in the past to believe that it was still +. I think in a video by framewhisper? Well thanks for the heads up
@@GORO911 i stopped playing ranked a long time ago. All of my character that i play are S1 red ranks. Steve, Feng, Miguel and Law. I used to main Bruce so im basically bouncing around characters.
@@Ivight Red ranks take time indeed. but post red ranks is a whole different matter. if i reached Fujin i'll quit online too. after Fujin you can't rank without labbing characters, especially when you are playing a simple character like Feng that has nothing OP
@@nicholasbarnes451 How is that ? Season one is when the game has just been released and you can find many beginners and casuals online making the ranking up alot easier than now. By now most online players are the Hardcore Tekken gamers that stick by the game even when the hype is less and newer games got released
I had to stop watching 5 mins in because I felt sick imagining dealing with his poking. I did play T5, but on a casual level and mostly against the computer, so this is mostly news to me.
One of the other reasons why Feng was broken in this game was that b1 was 0 on block and his ws4 had the same properties as df1 and 2~1was knock down mid which guaranteed a stomp along with being so safe that Jin cant even punish his 10 frames after parrying it. Not to mention f2,1 was extremely hit confirmable you could literally see the counter hit forget it and still get the shoulder. Oh and yeah his F 3+4 would also block Knee, elbows and even swords, and his f1+2 would high crush from very early frames.
My friend played this character. I went from hwoa, to Paul, to Nina, to Steve to try to even it up a bit. Paul became the most miserable and frustrating match up. Eventually I discovered there was only two moves with frame advantages against feng. Paul's whole movelist felt useless. Once I desperately started playing marduk. I started picking him to pieces and he stopped playing altogether.
Quite a few characters had 8 frame jabs in Tekken 5 and earlier games and then it got standardized to 10 frames for practically everyone in Tekken 6 which is when Feng's b1 became 10 frames.
It's a good thing to know when nothing any character can do is lower than 10f startup. It makes safety frames easier to balance because you know when something can be made safe but not advantageous. Without that you have to tune attacks based on who can punish it or not rather than a global decision on whether an attack should be punishable or not period (some characters might be able to punish a move better - like pulling a PEWGF with Kazuya against a -13 attack - but the fact remains that the attack's punishable state is set in stone).
Feng was awesome in Tekken 5. Mainman, could you discuss Nina in Tekken 5? She was awesome also. I think they wanted to make her strong for her video game Death by Degrees.
His lows are insanely fast. WTF. I agree Steve, how did this kind of stuff make it past testing?? Thanks for the video. Very entertaining. Didn't know all the stuff growing up playing Tekken back then.
you forgot to talk about 1,2,2~b on the wall.. if they tech roll, backturned 3 will hit them from the side or back, which again guarantees f+2,1 into back throw :D EDIT: lol i just noticed that its a really old video but it was recommended to me today for some reason.
So basically everyone is OP in Tekken 5? XD These revisited vids have are making me replay these awesome old games. Shame my Memory Cards 2 do not work anymore.
These vids are great. It would be really cool if you even went back as far as T1, 2 3 and tag and highlight some characters/moves and what makes them tick and how it differs or inspires what we know as modern tekken. These vids are really cool to see the genesis of what becomes modern Tekken.
If you tech the df1 you are asking for it. Hold d so your character stay on the floor THEN tech roll if Feng tries to stomp you. Also you should cancel the last hit of f2,1,2 and do the b1+2 shoulder instead. It has higher damage than the generic string. Also works in midscreen combo. Ps: Feng was my main back in T5 and still is. Imagine my heartbreak rollercoaster seeing him being nerfed game by game.. he was the shite!
I remember everyone going nuts over b+1 and ss+4 on TZ. Didn't realize it got this much worse, and it's wild that this wasn't even the dumbest stuff in that game.
Feng was always my main, my muscle memory allowed me to remember his 10 hit combo years later. I’m a problem with Feng on Tekken 7 if anyone wants to play my Xbox Gamertag is the same as my RUclips name
@@phinkssama6165 It's a very weird +23. Essentially, the victim of this +23 is unable to input anything but blocks and stuff. They can't move or press buttons, which means that they're free game to throw a mix-up at.
Wasn't Heihachi even more overpowered because 2+2~1 non CH is a natural combo that leads to KD with follow up ff+2 or jumping low kick? (60 damage from a 10f move on non CH) Wasn't Heihachi banned in Tekken 5.0?
I miss this Feng, after this Tekken ruined this character especially by delaying his kenpo stance one of his powerful tool. No buffs needed remove the kenpo nerf and make it as usual. I request it. Main man mail this to Harada or give me his mail id I will mail him.
Anyone know if these are removed in the EU version of the game? It's PS2 btw, not Dark Resurrection. Tried these moves but they don't want to work. Especially the f21 on ducking followed by a grip. The bushback is way too big
Why feng Wei was overpowered? - Looks at the pimp suit.
“Pimp”
always ahead of your time OP
"I don't know what you heard about me. I know you cant get a dollar out of me"
-Feng
He should have that Outfit in tekken 7
Lol
Yo op
"fengs df1 is the best df1 in tekken, if we don't go back to tekken 1"
*tekken 1 king laughing in the corner*
Yeah he did a video about that and he mentioned previous tekkens in the intro
+93 on block my guy
@@Jirudoggu its never your turn >:)
Imagine being so Chad that your move is 10x more advantageous on block than on hit
"SNBF" back in Tekken 5.0 was an acronym that describes the 4 most overpowered characters in the game: Steve, Nina, Bryan, Feng -- in that order. You've done Steve and Feng, I hope you continue with Nina and Bryan. :)
in time, feng fell out. his bullshit was avoidable.
juancarloang started again T5 and picked Brian now I feel cheap
Law had to be top 10 in the game.. I think Heihachi or Law could be at 5 since they had a lot of bs. Law's b1,2,1 ch launched for half or 3/4ths of your life lol. Heihachi had 2,2,1+2 any -9 move that was guaranteed with a free ff2 that you couldn't escape. If you held F to kick up the ff2 would launch you for even more damage. Straight broken.
As someone who only played T3 and T7 I love these "historical" videos.
@Mathew Hutchinson I've played every tekken since tekken 3. How and why did you skip those wonderful games?
@@JohnLick96 personally I didn't like 4 and fell off with the series afterwards and then got back in with 7 because it's just a really great game. I loved tekken 3 too, I played it like 2 hours a day from middle school to my first year of college, before I even knew the FGC was a thing.
@@princesssleepyhead8043 I loved 4, 2nd Tekken game I played after 3.
@@DrCooch lmao tbh I didn't like tekken 3 at first because I played so much tekken 2, so I probably didn't give it a fair chance growing up. Tekken 7 was the first one I sat down and learned after getting into the FGC
I played T5 T6 and T7
I want his suit costume back so badly
Yeah for a legacy game it has so little legacy costumes for any characters. Jin and King have previous Tekken costumes as far as I know, and it wouldn't take that much time to add it in the game.
@@0raldinho o cara k
Same, he looked great on that.
Your wish has been granted in tekken 8 with the 1st preset
I mean. As long as every character is op it's balanced isn't it xD
If only that were the case
Yep
No
Every char in 5 is good
Yes, but a) that wasn't the case, and b) even if it was technically balanced, a game of "who gets his infinite off first" isn't fun.
He’s OP?
So he was a Tekken 5 character
I really like these character breakdowns he does, it has detailed frame data and is a good way to learn a character (even more the TTT2)
How about u actually tell these younglings about doctor B in tekken 3?
Yeah or Ancient Ogre tekken 3 still the most broken tekken character ever by far Feng t5 was pretty annoying but I would trash people with Nina against him.
@@dyldog8837 Nina was also OP in 5 so that's not really saying much
Imagine naming yourself after a fictional character
@@iixeonuniqueii6713 imagine liking your own comment
jin kazama I didn’t
important note: feng was strong, but still quite beatable. he didn't end up in the same class as nina or bryan or steve.
tourney results reflect as much.
Yep, it was rare to play him in tournaments
the better character was ganryu if i’m remembering correctly
Feng right here giving them experience of the 4000 year chinese martial arts training.
This was when Justin Wong played Tekken and Feng was his character and you guessed it he played lame and cheap.
Lmaooooo now I get it. Because hes a mvc2 player but he was around for t5 tho for the broken shit.
Feng was cheap buffed in 5.. I didnt realize this playing it years ago. But i Hated fighing him though.
Df1 being plus on everything alone left me speechless lol
Still is plus on block
Shoot Right Here Actually in T7 its zero which makes a difference
@@angel1234534 well I'll be damned. I've been mislead in the past to believe that it was still +. I think in a video by framewhisper?
Well thanks for the heads up
Shoot Right Here Hey man no prob good luck out there
@@SmokesOnMe hey I don't blame your opponent being neutral can feel like you're actually minus
Nina and Bryan next! Complete the infamous 5.0 SNBF tier.
tiradegrandmarshal yeah true but I guess Steve is on another level than feng,Nina and Bryan
I never heard about that before sounds new to me but it was secretly know by pro players
0:36 I'll take "Phrases that didn't age well" for 500.
lol
Feng player here, hes still one of the best for me.
WHat is your online rank.
i couldn't get past *Revered Ruler* using Feng
@@GORO911 i stopped playing ranked a long time ago. All of my character that i play are S1 red ranks. Steve, Feng, Miguel and Law. I used to main Bruce so im basically bouncing around characters.
@@Ivight
Red ranks take time indeed.
but post red ranks is a whole different matter.
if i reached Fujin i'll quit online too.
after Fujin you can't rank without labbing characters, especially when you are playing a simple character like Feng that has nothing OP
@@GORO911 ss1 red ranks are basically purple or higher js
@@nicholasbarnes451
How is that ?
Season one is when the game has just been released and you can find many beginners and casuals online making the ranking up alot easier than now.
By now most online players are the Hardcore Tekken gamers that stick by the game even when the hype is less and newer games got released
I want a clip of "this is fully guaranteed in the back"
😂😂😂😂
That will be a wholesome video lol
I had to stop watching 5 mins in because I felt sick imagining dealing with his poking. I did play T5, but on a casual level and mostly against the computer, so this is mostly news to me.
One of the other reasons why Feng was broken in this game was that b1 was 0 on block and his ws4 had the same properties as df1 and 2~1was knock down mid which guaranteed a stomp along with being so safe that Jin cant even punish his 10 frames after parrying it. Not to mention f2,1 was extremely hit confirmable you could literally see the counter hit forget it and still get the shoulder. Oh and yeah his F 3+4 would also block Knee, elbows and even swords, and his f1+2 would high crush from very early frames.
My friend played this character. I went from hwoa, to Paul, to Nina, to Steve to try to even it up a bit. Paul became the most miserable and frustrating match up. Eventually I discovered there was only two moves with frame advantages against feng. Paul's whole movelist felt useless. Once I desperately started playing marduk. I started picking him to pieces and he stopped playing altogether.
Feng was one of my favorite characters to play with in Tekken 5 and 6
Quite a few characters had 8 frame jabs in Tekken 5 and earlier games and then it got standardized to 10 frames for practically everyone in Tekken 6 which is when Feng's b1 became 10 frames.
but ch jabs weren't 43 damage
It's a good thing to know when nothing any character can do is lower than 10f startup. It makes safety frames easier to balance because you know when something can be made safe but not advantageous. Without that you have to tune attacks based on who can punish it or not rather than a global decision on whether an attack should be punishable or not period (some characters might be able to punish a move better - like pulling a PEWGF with Kazuya against a -13 attack - but the fact remains that the attack's punishable state is set in stone).
Feng was awesome in Tekken 5. Mainman, could you discuss Nina in Tekken 5? She was awesome also. I think they wanted to make her strong for her video game Death by Degrees.
Is not that he was awesome, he was just way 2 OP
patzeram she was op my boy whoop me with her
OG Dragon's Nest soundtrack is so much better than the T7 one.
I was a kid back then n didnt know how to combo or go into stances n stuff but somehow Feng and steve end up as my 2 favorites 🤔
Guess i just knew
You got lucky. I ended up with Kunimitsu being my fav. Can’t wait til she’s in Tekken 7
@@xxSiNister777xx RIP to all Kunimitsu mains
I wish I could be you all the time
Lars became my main in Tekken 6... huh.
Yoshimitsu, Raven and Devil Jin are my mains for tekken 5
His lows are insanely fast. WTF. I agree Steve, how did this kind of stuff make it past testing??
Thanks for the video. Very entertaining. Didn't know all the stuff growing up playing Tekken back then.
Could you make one of these videos on Polar Paradise ?
NixUniverse worst stage ever
illyrian eagle That coin stage holds that title
NixUniverse that stage great. The worst must be the penguins
illyrian eagle the coins were annoying
Joseph Su'a You don’t really notice how annoying it is until you’re in a heated match trying to focus and all you hear is “SHISHSHSIHISHIS!”
Man oh man I missed feng’s t5 outfit
Ikr.
Came back to these videos years later, I really miss the love I had for Tekken man
you forgot to talk about 1,2,2~b on the wall.. if they tech roll, backturned 3 will hit them from the side or back, which again guarantees f+2,1 into back throw :D
EDIT: lol i just noticed that its a really old video but it was recommended to me today for some reason.
So basically everyone is OP in Tekken 5? XD
These revisited vids have are making me replay these awesome old games.
Shame my Memory Cards 2 do not work anymore.
No. Just Steve, Nina, Bryan and Feng. It was literally those four, then everyone else. "SNBF" was a common acronym back in Tekken 5.0's heyday.
@@tiradegrandmarshal paul is extremely OP as well especially that fire type punch
They need to give him back the Demolishing Fist and get rid of that damn uppercut. The straight punch is WAY faster and 100x more useful
Interesting seeing this stuff from older fighting games that many people wouldn't know about now.
"there's nothing you can do there"
In the words of the rock theres two things you can do.
1.nothing
2. Like it
Feng wei 5.00 : **Tekken 5 flashback.**
It's called 5.0 for a reason
Every time I see that Feng sweep, I can't help but think about Aris. "What the fuck is going OOOOON in the corner?!".
These vids are great. It would be really cool if you even went back as far as T1, 2 3 and tag and highlight some characters/moves and what makes them tick and how it differs or inspires what we know as modern tekken. These vids are really cool to see the genesis of what becomes modern Tekken.
We need this Feng badly in T7 to deal with 2D and sword characters!
Sword characters. Hmm. Who could that be? Lol.
I imagine him being a new character they let him be strong to garner interest
CONGRATS ON 80K SUBS!!!
No? Ok...
If you tech the df1 you are asking for it. Hold d so your character stay on the floor THEN tech roll if Feng tries to stomp you.
Also you should cancel the last hit of f2,1,2 and do the b1+2 shoulder instead. It has higher damage than the generic string. Also works in midscreen combo.
Ps: Feng was my main back in T5 and still is. Imagine my heartbreak rollercoaster seeing him being nerfed game by game.. he was the shite!
I remember everyone going nuts over b+1 and ss+4 on TZ. Didn't realize it got this much worse, and it's wild that this wasn't even the dumbest stuff in that game.
Add the same Tekken characters with these properties but they aren’t allowed to effect anyone’s online stats.
I always liked that Triad-esque suit he has.
TMM cussing with his accents is HILARIOUS!!
Loving this content!!
Feng was always my main, my muscle memory allowed me to remember his 10 hit combo years later. I’m a problem with Feng on Tekken 7 if anyone wants to play my Xbox Gamertag is the same as my RUclips name
I really love that pimp suit as well
One of favorite characters of Tekken 5 period
My tertiary main. I never forget uncle Feng.
"double stomp was guaranteed"
Me: da fuck?!
How can you be +23 but nothing is guaranteed?
You'll see it as +23g or +23GB in framedata, it's a special situation where you can only block or duck highs
I was just going to guess what this ^^^ guy said. Maybe you cannot attack for 23 frames, but can block.
Yeah but since you are +23 shouldn’t you get a free launcher or something. I’ve never seen this type of situation before
@@phinkssama6165 It's a very weird +23. Essentially, the victim of this +23 is unable to input anything but blocks and stuff. They can't move or press buttons, which means that they're free game to throw a mix-up at.
@@phinkssama6165 Josie seems to have similar thing in T7 s3 her b1,1 is +16 on normal and ch, and she cant launch after it
As soon as I saw this video I knew the first thing you'd mention was his back 1. Absolutely broken ass move lmaooooo
One look at those eyebrows and I just knew Feng was gonna be top tier back in day
This is all new to me.
Wasn't Heihachi even more overpowered because 2+2~1 non CH is a natural combo that leads to KD with follow up ff+2 or jumping low kick? (60 damage from a 10f move on non CH) Wasn't Heihachi banned in Tekken 5.0?
In TMM Universe Mishimas are
Bair and Falanced .
221 was banned, not the entire character
Played tekken 5 today and rolled my eyes when I had to face him twice in a row in arcade mode and he is Broke
which is the your most favourite tekken game
mine in tekken 6
Nah, TTT1 definitely
Its a tie between Tekken 5 & 6 for me.
They fall down on there ass had me dead 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
I miss this Feng, after this Tekken ruined this character especially by delaying his kenpo stance one of his powerful tool. No buffs needed remove the kenpo nerf and make it as usual. I request it. Main man mail this to Harada or give me his mail id I will mail him.
Just the 8 frame Iron Palm alone should have had them reworking Feng
look how good a game from 2005 looks, look at it!
Cool video can you do this with Tekken 5 DR?
Normal T5 was way too broken overall.
like ninas u/f+1. to many crazy stuff.
and people think that TTT2 was unbalanced
You gonna play Devil Within mode ?
I think deep down TMM wants to be a feng player
I agree
Once a Mishima, always a Mishima.
We need a Tekken5 and DR remake combined
He was my fav tekken 5 character
Probably the next big baddy after the mishimas are gone
So steve and feng were two units in tekken 5 who nexts Devil jin lol
Nina and Bryan. These four were op as hell lol
@@josephsua7246 bryan was ridiculous one way or another in each game and I dont know much about nina tbh
Can you do Lee storymode? I hear its excellent
Any chance you'll be going through Tekken 1-3?
No but thanks for watching
Tekken 3 and 5 will always be my favorite. 4 is great too.
7:48 How does a low hit a crouching opponent?
It's not set to crouch guard
The testers were T5 Feng Wei Mains.
What's the input for the double stomp?
Does Feng have his F+3,4 launcher in this game?
Former Feng main here: He doesn't
Anyone know if these are removed in the EU version of the game? It's PS2 btw, not Dark Resurrection. Tried these moves but they don't want to work. Especially the f21 on ducking followed by a grip. The bushback is way too big
his theme was op too and so were his costumes. #RetsuKaiou
Love these videos
Do TK6 LARS
I love the revisited series
Are you also the blasted salami?
10:50
don't tell me that's guaranteed with that retarded 50 damage throw... YIKES
At this point every tekken 5 character was over powered
I'm pretty sure f21 in the back doesn't guarantee a throw. f21 is +10 on hit so unless throws are i10 in that game then can't they duck?
10:34 GASM!!!
I used that sweep into, ff3 into, iron fortress ALL the time!! Good 85% easy
so OP
Important massage in the end mm
11:16
T5 everyone has 140 Health..
Feng Does 1,000,000 Damage
HAAHAHAHA
I win some...I lose some but I hardly block unless someone aims for the head
couldn't your step b1 after df1?
How can one tell how many frames takes a move to come out just by seeing them in motion?
the first tekken game I played and my main character (Kazuya 2 Baek 3)
"Fuh-ng Way".
Mainman please do a T5 vid on how shitty Jin was in this game
Ss+1+2 is an auto punch parry in tekken 5 as fyi
Are you gonna do the T5DR characters?
Nobody in T5DR is anywhere near as stupid as 5.0 SNBF (Steve, Nina, Bryan and Feng). Mishimas were very strong in DR but fair.
Feng is still my main tekken character