Talonflame finally starting to eat again since the gale wings nerf makes me happy. But don’t let this distract you from the fact that amoonguss has a higher attack stat than talonflame.
Just goes to show that movesets shape perceptions of stats, and that a damage stat itself is not the only thing to consider. There are very few good grass and poison type physical moves and Amoongus only gets access to seed bomb. Talonflame gets STAB Brave Bird and Flare Blitz, so it does more damage with its STAB moves despite the lower attack stat.
Definitely overcorrected considering we got Koko, Lele, Fini, Pex, Dazzling and Queenly Magesty mons, and Alolan Golem which walls in gen 7. Obviously, not all of those are top tier threats normally, but I think they couldve gone easier on the nerfs with all the checks we got.
I think a very similar mon that shared a similar role was Crobat. Fast U turn, nice quad resistance to U turn itself, Toxic and Roost along with Heavy Duty boots allowed it to be a offensive defensive pokemon suitable on balance teams. It was also immune to toxic itself, so stall could not chip it so easily.
And a reason why Talonflame was NU in gen 8. Why would you use Talonflame when Crobat is faster, stronger, bulkier, and is toxic immune? There's oddly enough reasons, mostly to deal with Lucario and Metagross, while Will-o-wisp is a valuable move which makes it better on the physical side, but otherwise you're using a worse Crobat and therefore it was quite niche.
@@N12015 Ye that's prob the reason, and also Crobat is not as weak to Knock off than Talon as even if Crobat lost 25% hp it can still come in moves like Close Combat, Earthquake, U turn and Toxic to say a few.
The insane amount of nerfs ttar got over the years finally caught up with him. He will need massive buffs to get back to OU. I think he should gets his own version of aurora veil and a new move similar to pursuit.
@@CigmacicaI remember it being popular early on in VGC, then the meta just shifted to being about Fairies all generation, which isn't good for a Dark-type that wasn't a legendary.
Big Stall™ was able to take over VGC too! Ting-Lu is more broken than Chi-Yu, but the OU council will never ban it because they love stall! In fact, finch ia actually big stall
@@thundergamespt99 we need a respectful discussion about why offensive pokemon get banned more than defensive pokemon. The end-game of a pokemon battle is to faint your opponent's team. While it is possible and it does happen that a defensive pokemon just sits and walls your opponent to death, they don't pose the same immediate threat as they often require support to outlast your opponent. For example, while Cresselia is super annoying and most people hate it, Cresselia needs other teammates to win a match. You need something to take out dark types, you need something that can remove status or heal status, you need something to trap steel types, etc. Whereas an oppressive offensive pokemon, like Chien-Pao for example, doesn't necessarily need support. It can set up a swords dance and wreck half your opponent's team, and then you have 5 other team mates left. Pokemon like Chien-Pao, Chi-Yu, Palaffin, and the like require very little support and rarely have any real answers. Even unaware mons, some of the only defensive answers to these types of pokemon, get worn down from the sheer power they have. Whereas defensive pokemon like Deoxys D, Toxapex, and Clefable (which have either been banned or have had calls to ban them) have a number of possible answers to them, including magic bounce, taunt, tricking a choice item, substitute, etc. There are just more ways to deal with defensive mons than offensive mons. TL;DR it's just much easier to steamroll another team with an offensive mon than a defensive mon, which makes them uncompetitive because they don't have many answers.
The fact that reaching UU is considered a "rise" and that Talonflame made it their using Flame Body and completly inverting its role from offense to defense is a testament to just how insanely hard GameFreak nerfed Gale Wings.
I would love for you to talk about the rise of Offensive AV Toxapex in Gen 9 OU, honestly been one of the most reliable backbone for teams and a surprisingly good trapper / damage dealer.
I remember how the debate on Gale Wings on both this and Mega Pinsir affected a lot of the Gen 6 metagame. It was scary seeing the debut generation and these things flying around and making revenge sweepers cry. Good times.
Most of my use of talonflame has been used in doubles along with my clodsire. Clodsire sets up entry hazards and throws out earthquakes without any regard for hurting talonflame in the process. Talon flame then setting up tailwind. He’s been very useful in random online battles when I’m not fighting someone with a miraidon, who is probably gonna sweep me anyways.
I've been running Talonflame for a while now in OU and it's a good pick against physical hitters like Meowscarada, Dragonite and Kingambit. The ground immunity and flying stab also threatens Great Tusk who rarely ever run a rock move and often catch burns trying to Rapid Spin or Knock off something else.
Dachsbun is underrated, I think. The Fire immunity, good defense stat paired with Baby-Doll Eyes, access to Body Press, and good boosting abilities with Work-Up, and Howl, as well as Play Rough make it a pretty good choice to deal with some situations you'd see in the meta. Plus, it pairs well with Chi-Yu.
Something to note is that while Talonflame was an offensive threat at the begining of Gen 6, by the middle of it Talonflame had already lost it's glamor as a brave bird spammer and became better as a defensive pivot who can also revenge kill frail sweepers thanks to priority brave bird by the end of the generation.
Talonflame is the Poketube's litmus test for "did youtube watcher actually watch stuff they clicked" and most of the time the answer is no. You can make 90.000 video about how Talonflame is not great in gen 6, and there would be a significant chunk of "because of gale wings nerf" in every single one of them
My favourite pokémon in gen 9 uu is salamence, due to it being a very unpredictable pokemon. It has a very powerful special wallbreaking set with considerable longevity and a dragon dance set that can easily take over a game. The only problem is that both of these sets are extremely unreliable, with the wallbreaker's best stab option being the awful hurricane and the dragon dance sweeper being hard to find an opening for. Im a big fan of a choice band set which can lure in opponents that expect hurricane or draco meteor before slamming them with an outrage or earthquake. It is not the best, due to being stealth rock weak, but with support with fellow bird type talonflame, it can create openings for mence with U-turns, taunts, burns and hazard removal.
My favourite mon to use in the tier is probably Oricorio Pom-Pom. Yeah, hes extremely one-dimentional, but something about using a PU bird in UU makes me happy. Also, revelation dance is tera blast but better
@gnome from pinkerton draco meteor has a drawback and cant touch fairies and steels. Flying is a very spammable type, and is often the best option to use in most situations, if you ignore the horrible accuracy. Its poor accuracy makes Salamence a much less reliable check to pokemon such as slither wing.
@gnome from pinkerton Ive played at least 7 UU games today and Ive missed significantly more hurricanes than I hit and a kilowattrel missed 3 hurricanes in a row against my hippo so yeah. "Reliable enough."
I had a dream about Iron Mugulis. I was hiking in the hills with my friends in an area we like with lots of switchbacks and small valleys. We rounded a hill, and I saw him on the trail ahead of us across the valley, staring at us. He didn't do anything at first, and I wasn't afraid because I was just dumbfounded at the situation. Then he raised his arms and started floating towards me across the gap. The closer he got, the harder it was to breathe, and a tinnitus ringing smothered my hearing. I couldn't move, and I couldn't break eye contact, even to blink. I woke up gasping for air. My eyes hurt, and the ringing noise lasted until I could breathe normally again. It's three hours before my alarm, but I'm too unsettled by the experience to go back to sleep.
I actually use it defensively against physical attackers in online raids(not a competitive player). With Roost, and bulk up, along with it's flame body ability, I usually get a burn on the raid pokemon, further helping my teammates.
The true answer is that the terrains only provide their benefits to grounded Pokémon. This means that Talonflame's Gale Wing attacks cannot affect grounded pokemon that are protected by Psychic Terrain, but _can_ affect other floating Pokémon that do not receive the terrain protection. This also means Talonflame itself is vulnerable to opposing priority, since it is floating
Not only is HOME not adding too many new hazard removal options, it’s adding 2 new great hazard setters with Kleavor and Samurott-H. Downside is those two match up very well against Talonflame, especially Kleavor’s Stone Axe, but I see them being OU material so Talonflame will keep its UU status for some time.
@@midnightemerald neither of them have access to Defog any more now that transfer moves aren’t a thing. Actually surprised me on Tornadus, but that’s also why Talonflame and Corvoknight having Defog has been such an asset for them.
In a specific pokemon format the community calls draft league. We mainly used talonflame as a defensive/utility mon. It was an amazing utility wall to help with strong steel types like mega Scizor. Was great as a fast u-turner as well. I remember distinctly how so many people back in gen 6 and especially gen 7 stayed away from talonflame since it was sort of a one trick pony. Now with heavy duty boots it saw a lot more usage and gained more respect with the community in gen 8.
They should have made Gale Wings give +1 priority to flying moves when HP is above 50%. This would balance it much better since using Roost on itself will be less viable and in Double Battles it would need a healing partner or Leftovers to keep it above 50% especially with Flare Blitz and Brave Bird as moves
Nah I liked Gen 6 Talonflame. Typing and low stats kept it balanced. Priority on only 1 type of attack is pretty fine to manage as well. I think it was a well designed ability
It's just that priority tailwind with an actual stats in vgc was absolutely busted. Same reason why mimikyu was nerfed in gen 8 too cuz guaranteed speed control. In singles it's role as an killer of hyperoffense was unique and much appreciated.
One thing I remember about Gale Wings as to why it was nerfed, apparently it was not a Banded Brave Bird that crossed the line, but its a Toxic Sky Drop Stall set that sealed the nerf deal.
I think it should also be noted that in OU, Talonflame does have a niche and an offensive one at that: but in contrast to its history as the Bravest of Birds, it has instead become the Hurricane King on Rain teams.
I'm sure the real niche of Talonflame is being a defogger on stall teams that Gholdengo can't switch into, as well as being a threat to the other 3 most used mons in the format: Great Tusk, Iron Valiant and Kingambit, if you desire to with Air Slash. The set is Will-o-wisp, Roost, Flamethrower and Air Slash/Defog.
Btw, this UU set was also top tier in NU, but it wasn't RU for a simple reason: THE ELECTRIC TRIO. Gen 8 RU is defined by the ones of Raikou, Xurkitree and Toxtricity, all being highly regarded and you should expect to see one of them in each 2 games. Talonflame and Starmie do not like electric, which made them niche and therefore NU; also Crobat existed and was usually preferred due to better stats and typing. Talonflame is also oddly good in VGC due to the other priority tailwind setter being Murkrow. Also, this bird is EVEN USED IN OU; Stall teams exist BECAUSE Talonflame can defog against Gholdengo, while kingambit doesn't want to deal with this bird and great tusk isn't usually carrying something to hit it either. Is on the niche side but is more of what you can say from most pokémon.
Fearing for his own viability, Talonflame bribed the dastardly Iron Mugulis to delay pokemon home, preventing Moltres from coming over to UU to take over talonflame's place.
I new it from the beginning when Pokemon anounced that Pokemon Home would be delayed that No other then Iron mugulis would be the reason why .. he is the Main villan These days and needed to be stoped AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE
My favorite pokemon. Another nerf was the terrain, unfairly done, since the ones who abused them were the Tapus, not the rest of the pokemon. And now they give the user of Grassy Terrain a priority move with stab, and boosted with the terrain itself and with its maximum stat in attack, and sword dance. Logically it will be powerful, it has no coherence, if they nerfed poor Talonflame. I would like our beloved Smogon Bird to return. I miss him quite a bit. What do you think if a joint request was made, made by the fans to improve competitive things, return Genga levitate and Talonflame, and improve mechanics??
This can be seen with Decidyue in UU[previously NU] altaria in RU[UNtiered-got wisp so wont be ZU again prolly.] and drifblim[ZU] and lurantis[previously ZU aswell as getting nerfed with no super power] in NU and [though mid but its number one most used mon] Quaxwell aswell as defog dartrix[pre-evo of a mon that was consistently NU] being PU. Love your content. It will be appreciated if u make videos on some of them atleast.
Talonflame with Swoop Strike may be able to use Gale Wings again. While Tailwind can be set up first due to Gale Wings, Swoop Strike boosts Speed after doing damage, so Talonflame will once it takes damage, still be able to outspeed anything that lacks priority anyways.
Aside from its glaring 4x Rock weakness, Fire/Flying is otherwise a good defensive type combination. 6 resistances and 1 immunity for only 3 weaknesses is honestly good. Heavy duty boots was a blessing. In a Rom hack I had to nerf a Fire/Flying type with Wonder Guard to the Psychic/Flying typing because it was just so damn overpowered.
I never understood why people think that fire flying is a bad type. It’s an excellent offensive and defensive typing if you can deal with stealth rocks.
It is like a weaker but faster Moltres anf it has more reliable burn to cripple incoming attackers with willowisp halving the opponents attack before having to take a hit with flamebody. i used to play gen 7 and 8 uu and it seems to fill that exact role moltres used to in those gens.
But I honestly enjoy either Corviknight or Talonflame since they're the 1st route birds that shed the Normal type for something unique and usable, not to downplay Staraptor or Guts Swellow. Also, who do you guys consider as the 1st bird of Paldea, Flamigo or Kilowattrel?
Is there any official statement from GF why they nerfed GW? Sure it’s a very good ability but far away from broken. GF also doesn’t care about the singles metagame. Only thing would be VGC but Thundurus has priority on Tailwind too.
Will Dialga-Origin be any good in Gen 9? Let's find out together as a team.
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Talonflame finally starting to eat again since the gale wings nerf makes me happy. But don’t let this distract you from the fact that amoonguss has a higher attack stat than talonflame.
excuse me what the ****
After toxapex, now amoonguss has joined the war on Big Stall.
Just goes to show that movesets shape perceptions of stats, and that a damage stat itself is not the only thing to consider. There are very few good grass and poison type physical moves and Amoongus only gets access to seed bomb. Talonflame gets STAB Brave Bird and Flare Blitz, so it does more damage with its STAB moves despite the lower attack stat.
Less than gastrodon as well. Yeah it's strange. Goes to show how powerful having +1 priority on its old ability was
No fuckin way dude that's a real pokemon
I have no idea why but I am way too invested in the iron mugulis lore. Someone should make a wiki of all the events that happen
Aight bet
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It’s because anytime there is a move or an ability with 30% status it’s actually 100%. Scald, static, and flame body all make their mons way better
Which is why Fissure Ting Lu is used in VGC too, it has a 30% chance to apply the status condition “fucking dead lmao”
@@Rarest26 i mean it's a win-win scenario for Ting-Lu. If it misses fissure then boosted stomping tantrum is landing next turn.
@@kiwi40238 that too
@@kiwi40238 the Ting-Lu theorem
@@obiwancannoli1920 why OHKO isn’t everything
I still can't believe that Iron Mugulis would delay Home like that
around June
cancel it
@@chilitofu3512 they didn’t cancel it it a delay
@@yarc9 i meant “cancel iron mugulis”
He will pay
Talonflame's defensive potential was already hinted at when people were running bulk up roost sets, affectionately named "talonquail"
I always thought Game Freak overcorrected with the Gale Wings nerf so it's good to see the phoenix rise again
Definitely overcorrected considering we got Koko, Lele, Fini, Pex, Dazzling and Queenly Magesty mons, and Alolan Golem which walls in gen 7.
Obviously, not all of those are top tier threats normally, but I think they couldve gone easier on the nerfs with all the checks we got.
I agree with you for singles but I imagine the nerf happened bc how good it was in gen 6 doubles
I think a very similar mon that shared a similar role was Crobat. Fast U turn, nice quad resistance to U turn itself, Toxic and Roost along with Heavy Duty boots allowed it to be a offensive defensive pokemon suitable on balance teams. It was also immune to toxic itself, so stall could not chip it so easily.
And a reason why Talonflame was NU in gen 8. Why would you use Talonflame when Crobat is faster, stronger, bulkier, and is toxic immune? There's oddly enough reasons, mostly to deal with Lucario and Metagross, while Will-o-wisp is a valuable move which makes it better on the physical side, but otherwise you're using a worse Crobat and therefore it was quite niche.
@@N12015 Ye that's prob the reason, and also Crobat is not as weak to Knock off than Talon as even if Crobat lost 25% hp it can still come in moves like Close Combat, Earthquake, U turn and Toxic to say a few.
An interesting vid would be to see tyranitars insane 23 years of OU viability until its fall this gen. Great vid as always
Tyranitar is C- in the viability rankings, he is not eating rn.
It already fell last gen but came back
The insane amount of nerfs ttar got over the years finally caught up with him. He will need massive buffs to get back to OU. I think he should gets his own version of aurora veil and a new move similar to pursuit.
@@GoofyGoldenRetriever1 I wouldn't say he was nerfed to death but more better and stronger Pokemon have risen to take it down
@@CigmacicaI remember it being popular early on in VGC, then the meta just shifted to being about Fairies all generation, which isn't good for a Dark-type that wasn't a legendary.
Big Stall stays winning
EDIT: this comment is in reference to how the most successful stall team in SV OU singles uses Talonflame
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Cause they keep banning the broken mons
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Big Stall™ was able to take over VGC too! Ting-Lu is more broken than Chi-Yu, but the OU council will never ban it because they love stall! In fact, finch ia actually big stall
@@thundergamespt99 we need a respectful discussion about why offensive pokemon get banned more than defensive pokemon.
The end-game of a pokemon battle is to faint your opponent's team. While it is possible and it does happen that a defensive pokemon just sits and walls your opponent to death, they don't pose the same immediate threat as they often require support to outlast your opponent. For example, while Cresselia is super annoying and most people hate it, Cresselia needs other teammates to win a match. You need something to take out dark types, you need something that can remove status or heal status, you need something to trap steel types, etc. Whereas an oppressive offensive pokemon, like Chien-Pao for example, doesn't necessarily need support. It can set up a swords dance and wreck half your opponent's team, and then you have 5 other team mates left. Pokemon like Chien-Pao, Chi-Yu, Palaffin, and the like require very little support and rarely have any real answers. Even unaware mons, some of the only defensive answers to these types of pokemon, get worn down from the sheer power they have. Whereas defensive pokemon like Deoxys D, Toxapex, and Clefable (which have either been banned or have had calls to ban them) have a number of possible answers to them, including magic bounce, taunt, tricking a choice item, substitute, etc. There are just more ways to deal with defensive mons than offensive mons.
TL;DR it's just much easier to steamroll another team with an offensive mon than a defensive mon, which makes them uncompetitive because they don't have many answers.
The fact that reaching UU is considered a "rise" and that Talonflame made it their using Flame Body and completly inverting its role from offense to defense is a testament to just how insanely hard GameFreak nerfed Gale Wings.
Reminds me of when in Urshifu META people ran Moltres as arguably the best defensive answer that could still hit hard
pov zapdos
Can’t believe iron mugulis would do such a thing
Never thought I'd see the day talonflame became a mainline tank
I would love for you to talk about the rise of Offensive AV Toxapex in Gen 9 OU, honestly been one of the most reliable backbone for teams and a surprisingly good trapper / damage dealer.
I remember how the debate on Gale Wings on both this and Mega Pinsir affected a lot of the Gen 6 metagame. It was scary seeing the debut generation and these things flying around and making revenge sweepers cry. Good times.
Appreciate the pun
Most of my use of talonflame has been used in doubles along with my clodsire. Clodsire sets up entry hazards and throws out earthquakes without any regard for hurting talonflame in the process. Talon flame then setting up tailwind. He’s been very useful in random online battles when I’m not fighting someone with a miraidon, who is probably gonna sweep me anyways.
love your content, would love to see longer form videos
Love how at 1:48 you can clearly notice Jim holding back his laughter while telling the absurd lore, lmao
Why is this iron mugulis storyline so addicting to follow
The lilipup with the hat looks ADORABLE
I've been running Talonflame for a while now in OU and it's a good pick against physical hitters like Meowscarada, Dragonite and Kingambit. The ground immunity and flying stab also threatens Great Tusk who rarely ever run a rock move and often catch burns trying to Rapid Spin or Knock off something else.
Dachsbun is underrated, I think. The Fire immunity, good defense stat paired with Baby-Doll Eyes, access to Body Press, and good boosting abilities with Work-Up, and Howl, as well as Play Rough make it a pretty good choice to deal with some situations you'd see in the meta. Plus, it pairs well with Chi-Yu.
Bad HP and spd will not let it survive
Something to note is that while Talonflame was an offensive threat at the begining of Gen 6, by the middle of it Talonflame had already lost it's glamor as a brave bird spammer and became better as a defensive pivot who can also revenge kill frail sweepers thanks to priority brave bird by the end of the generation.
I didn't notice until now you had a viper outro, so cool!
It was gonna say "How did Sinistea turn so evil in the future to do the things it does?" then I remembered it's one letter off from "Sinister"
Talonflame is the Poketube's litmus test for "did youtube watcher actually watch stuff they clicked" and most of the time the answer is no. You can make 90.000 video about how Talonflame is not great in gen 6, and there would be a significant chunk of "because of gale wings nerf" in every single one of them
To be fair, it was good while gen 6 was current gen, specially while M-Sableye was still around. It fell off afterwards
@@lucayaki It fell off in ORAS
My favourite pokémon in gen 9 uu is salamence, due to it being a very unpredictable pokemon.
It has a very powerful special wallbreaking set with considerable longevity and a dragon dance set that can easily take over a game.
The only problem is that both of these sets are extremely unreliable, with the wallbreaker's best stab option being the awful hurricane and the dragon dance sweeper being hard to find an opening for.
Im a big fan of a choice band set which can lure in opponents that expect hurricane or draco meteor before slamming them with an outrage or earthquake.
It is not the best, due to being stealth rock weak, but with support with fellow bird type talonflame, it can create openings for mence with U-turns, taunts, burns and hazard removal.
My favourite mon to use in the tier is probably Oricorio Pom-Pom. Yeah, hes extremely one-dimentional, but something about using a PU bird in UU makes me happy. Also, revelation dance is tera blast but better
@gnome from pinkerton draco meteor has a drawback and cant touch fairies and steels. Flying is a very spammable type, and is often the best option to use in most situations, if you ignore the horrible accuracy. Its poor accuracy makes Salamence a much less reliable check to pokemon such as slither wing.
@gnome from pinkerton Ive played at least 7 UU games today and Ive missed significantly more hurricanes than I hit and a kilowattrel missed 3 hurricanes in a row against my hippo so yeah.
"Reliable enough."
@gnome from pinkerton if it aint 100%, it's 50%.
So, how did Talonflame fare in VGC? I've heard it's one of the two best tailwind setters. The other being Murkrow.
Ever since series two, Murkrow teams are way worse right now, so I'm guessing Talonflame teams are too
I had a dream about Iron Mugulis. I was hiking in the hills with my friends in an area we like with lots of switchbacks and small valleys. We rounded a hill, and I saw him on the trail ahead of us across the valley, staring at us. He didn't do anything at first, and I wasn't afraid because I was just dumbfounded at the situation. Then he raised his arms and started floating towards me across the gap. The closer he got, the harder it was to breathe, and a tinnitus ringing smothered my hearing. I couldn't move, and I couldn't break eye contact, even to blink. I woke up gasping for air. My eyes hurt, and the ringing noise lasted until I could breathe normally again. It's three hours before my alarm, but I'm too unsettled by the experience to go back to sleep.
I actually use it defensively against physical attackers in online raids(not a competitive player). With Roost, and bulk up, along with it's flame body ability, I usually get a burn on the raid pokemon, further helping my teammates.
Iron Mugulis can't keep getting away with this.
Are we forgetting rabsca also learn revival blessing and can revive great tusk?
I miss Gen 6 Talonflame with Gale wings
now Psychic terrain blocks priority
@@yarc9 Talonflame is a flying type,thus is unaffected by Terrain
@@hattruck8607 psychic terrain blocks gale wings
@@yarc9 it does not... talonflame is a flying type
The true answer is that the terrains only provide their benefits to grounded Pokémon. This means that Talonflame's Gale Wing attacks cannot affect grounded pokemon that are protected by Psychic Terrain, but _can_ affect other floating Pokémon that do not receive the terrain protection.
This also means Talonflame itself is vulnerable to opposing priority, since it is floating
Bulky Talonflame seems to make use of the Deoxys Theorem: Speed = bulk.
Not only is HOME not adding too many new hazard removal options, it’s adding 2 new great hazard setters with Kleavor and Samurott-H. Downside is those two match up very well against Talonflame, especially Kleavor’s Stone Axe, but I see them being OU material so Talonflame will keep its UU status for some time.
i mean we get lando and torn t, what other defoggers would you need
@@midnightemerald neither of them have access to Defog any more now that transfer moves aren’t a thing. Actually surprised me on Tornadus, but that’s also why Talonflame and Corvoknight having Defog has been such an asset for them.
In a specific pokemon format the community calls draft league. We mainly used talonflame as a defensive/utility mon. It was an amazing utility wall to help with strong steel types like mega Scizor. Was great as a fast u-turner as well. I remember distinctly how so many people back in gen 6 and especially gen 7 stayed away from talonflame since it was sort of a one trick pony. Now with heavy duty boots it saw a lot more usage and gained more respect with the community in gen 8.
goddamit every time I hear "Iron Mugulis" I giggle to myself it's just so funny :D
They should have made Gale Wings give +1 priority to flying moves when HP is above 50%. This would balance it much better since using Roost on itself will be less viable and in Double Battles it would need a healing partner or Leftovers to keep it above 50% especially with Flare Blitz and Brave Bird as moves
0:45: “Gamefreak thought Gale wings was a bit to powerful”.
Jimothy, do you think it was a bit to powerful? Honestly Curious
Nah I liked Gen 6 Talonflame. Typing and low stats kept it balanced. Priority on only 1 type of attack is pretty fine to manage as well. I think it was a well designed ability
Thanks for your insight!!!
It's just that priority tailwind with an actual stats in vgc was absolutely busted. Same reason why mimikyu was nerfed in gen 8 too cuz guaranteed speed control. In singles it's role as an killer of hyperoffense was unique and much appreciated.
One thing I remember about Gale Wings as to why it was nerfed, apparently it was not a Banded Brave Bird that crossed the line, but its a Toxic Sky Drop Stall set that sealed the nerf deal.
@@jimothycool it was nerfed due to being busted in VGC.
toxapex becoming a special attacker and talonflame becoming a defensive pivot 😭
I think it should also be noted that in OU, Talonflame does have a niche and an offensive one at that: but in contrast to its history as the Bravest of Birds, it has instead become the Hurricane King on Rain teams.
is there not any other hurricane users?
talonflame sounds like a very odd choice
@@whatgoeshere24 priority
I'm sure the real niche of Talonflame is being a defogger on stall teams that Gholdengo can't switch into, as well as being a threat to the other 3 most used mons in the format: Great Tusk, Iron Valiant and Kingambit, if you desire to with Air Slash. The set is Will-o-wisp, Roost, Flamethrower and Air Slash/Defog.
Btw, this UU set was also top tier in NU, but it wasn't RU for a simple reason: THE ELECTRIC TRIO. Gen 8 RU is defined by the ones of Raikou, Xurkitree and Toxtricity, all being highly regarded and you should expect to see one of them in each 2 games. Talonflame and Starmie do not like electric, which made them niche and therefore NU; also Crobat existed and was usually preferred due to better stats and typing.
Talonflame is also oddly good in VGC due to the other priority tailwind setter being Murkrow. Also, this bird is EVEN USED IN OU; Stall teams exist BECAUSE Talonflame can defog against Gholdengo, while kingambit doesn't want to deal with this bird and great tusk isn't usually carrying something to hit it either. Is on the niche side but is more of what you can say from most pokémon.
Big stall!
I am waiting for lilipup to switch sides and join old money because he made him a deal he couldn't refuse.
I can't believe Iron Mugulis would do this, he was supposed to be the hero we needed and deserved.
I continue to see Talonflame on stall teams in OU as well with Roost/Will-o-wisp/Defog/Brave bird.
ye that was the point of my comment actually
Talonflame is like UU Corviknight
Noivern is like UU Dragapult
Espeon is like UU Iron Valiant
Iron threads is like UU... wait
I love taurus paldea blaze, I think it just feels great and balanced to play with
Here to support the jimothy outro. 🙌🙌🔥🙌
I am working directly with iron mugulis
can't wait for infernape to come back
It and hydreigon always been crucial for my UU teams
Iron Mugulis was responsible for the delay of Pokémon home?!
Talonflame joining the war on stall on the side of stall was an excellent development.
Fearing for his own viability, Talonflame bribed the dastardly Iron Mugulis to delay pokemon home, preventing Moltres from coming over to UU to take over talonflame's place.
At this point I’m watching for the updates on the dastardly Iron Mugulis
Gale wings should be unnerfed, and talonflame needs more attack in exchange for some speed
I new it from the beginning when Pokemon anounced that Pokemon Home would be delayed that No other then Iron mugulis would be the reason why .. he is the Main villan These days and needed to be stoped AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE
The Iron Mugulis sketch got me good
Smth also to note is that mons that typically dont carry an item r Flying-types trying to make use of Acrobatics on their 'set.
Right now, talonflame is a tier higher than guess you know who, Iron Mugulis.
My favorite pokemon.
Another nerf was the terrain, unfairly done, since the ones who abused them were the Tapus, not the rest of the pokemon.
And now they give the user of Grassy Terrain a priority move with stab, and boosted with the terrain itself and with its maximum stat in attack, and sword dance.
Logically it will be powerful, it has no coherence, if they nerfed poor Talonflame.
I would like our beloved Smogon Bird to return. I miss him quite a bit.
What do you think if a joint request was made, made by the fans to improve competitive things, return Genga levitate and Talonflame, and improve mechanics??
I know he said “evil cup” but it definitely sounded like he said “evil c**t”
The mad lad whose favorite mon is Iron Mugulis...
Priority tailwind and massive damage after
This can be seen with Decidyue in UU[previously NU] altaria in RU[UNtiered-got wisp so wont be ZU again prolly.] and drifblim[ZU] and lurantis[previously ZU aswell as getting nerfed with no super power] in NU and [though mid but its number one most used mon] Quaxwell aswell as defog dartrix[pre-evo of a mon that was consistently NU] being PU. Love your content. It will be appreciated if u make videos on some of them atleast.
Decidueye is pretty it gonna drop down to NU
The reason why it is still UU it and typhlosion is because they were recently added
The gale wings nerf never really made sense to me.
It doesn’t surprise me. It’s almost the same talonflame Park (pachirisu team) brought to worlds
Talonflame with Swoop Strike may be able to use Gale Wings again. While Tailwind can be set up first due to Gale Wings, Swoop Strike boosts Speed after doing damage, so Talonflame will once it takes damage, still be able to outspeed anything that lacks priority anyways.
doubles: divebomber the pokemon. Click tailwind, then click bravebird, get a ko. It's done its job.
It was already great in gen 8, also fire flying is a great typing, it has great Tools like fast taunt and will o wisp
Aside from its glaring 4x Rock weakness, Fire/Flying is otherwise a good defensive type combination. 6 resistances and 1 immunity for only 3 weaknesses is honestly good. Heavy duty boots was a blessing.
In a Rom hack I had to nerf a Fire/Flying type with Wonder Guard to the Psychic/Flying typing because it was just so damn overpowered.
Also, if you're sick of Great Tusk, it's a near-perfect counter. Who's running a rock move on them?
my favorite UU mon gotta be Lokix. Bulky set with Silver Powder and leech life is p fun with tinted lens
I used to love Talonflame in gen 6. When I first really got into competitive
I never understood why people think that fire flying is a bad type. It’s an excellent offensive and defensive typing if you can deal with stealth rocks.
Talonflame on its way to randomly switch what its good at every gen
When Iron Mugulis is contained in maximum security
Mabostiff: We did it Lilipup! We saved the city!
Paradox Dachsbun, Iron Breads: There is another.
I can't believe Iron Mugulis's latest crime
I still love him in AAA for magic guard
Gen 9 UU and Ubers are way more fun because OU is still currently a hellhole.
yay! the talonflame video :D
wait didnt gale wings get nerfed to the ground?
It did.
i love how brave bird is useless after gale wings nerf, that was the whole reason why people used it
My Mug Is Augmented
I did a double take at 2:02 thinking Jimothy Cool just called Iron Mugulis an evil c*nt
Ngl when he said evil cup at 2:02 I heard evil c*nt 😂😂
When a nerf put u into ur Big Stall era :
Man I hope moltres doesn’t just take its place and both can be used. Well that is if home is ever is realesed
It is like a weaker but faster Moltres anf it has more reliable burn to cripple incoming attackers with willowisp halving the opponents attack before having to take a hit with flamebody. i used to play gen 7 and 8 uu and it seems to fill that exact role moltres used to in those gens.
But I honestly enjoy either Corviknight or Talonflame since they're the 1st route birds that shed the Normal type for something unique and usable, not to downplay Staraptor or Guts Swellow. Also, who do you guys consider as the 1st bird of Paldea, Flamigo or Kilowattrel?
Kilowatrel. Flamigo is more akin to the hawlucha of the generation imo
Kilowattrel, though honestly it doesn’t share a lot of the regional bird traits. Feels more like the Pelliper of this gen
corviknight doesn't shed the normal type, it's a pure flying before
@@tayIorswif I meant it in a context that the 1st bird is almost always flying type from start to end sans Rookiedee.
I cannot believe the evidence analysis didn't bring up anything.
I miss Brave Bird with its Brave Bird nature and its Brave Bird ability
Can’t wait for Old Money to make us by Home and the DLC
The return of IRON MUGULIS
Give it a new move like a flying type knock-off. Call it talon strike or something.
UU has always been one of the most fun formats for nearly every gen. You have a breadth of options, but don't have the full force of powercreep of OU.
Please make a video on how flying types will change OU after Pokémon home comes out in 2024
Is there any official statement from GF why they nerfed GW? Sure it’s a very good ability but far away from broken. GF also doesn’t care about the singles metagame. Only thing would be VGC but Thundurus has priority on Tailwind too.
Did you see the specs talonflame that ran around in OU for a bit?
yeah, it was being used on rain teams with hurricane haha
Talonflame will be alright as long as Moltres doesn’t come back
moltres lost defog, but mostly you're right
In Pokémon unbound gale wings is unnerfed which is great. It feels a bit unnecessary to have nerfed it considering the level of power creep