Agree this movie should make mini tv series . There so much missing plot , movie try to made me feel sad but i can't attach to any of char so i don't feel anything when some of them die
By the way the child's name irl is Madeleine Yuna Voyles, this movie is her very first gig and f*ckin killed it. Super impressed on how she is so captivating all through out the movie.
I feel the exact same way about this movie: The first act and the visuals from start to finish were phenomenal, but the movie needed more scenes and dialogue to serve as “connective tissue” in order to address numerous inconsistencies and plot holes, especially towards the end. Overall, I really enjoyed the film even though it fell short. I would still recommend anyone and everyone to go see it in theaters. 😎
@@olivernewton8584 Did we see the same movie? There's at least 60+ issues with the logic of the plot, plot holes, geographically it's terribly unclear. But yes, it is fun.
I really enjoyed it. It did need some more thought put into the script, but the rest was great. For a "low" budget movie, it puts a lot of big budget movies to shame.
I really enjoyed this. And it looks AMAZING for the reported budget. I gotta agree the last part seemed a bit rushed after the awesome world building in 1st and 2nd acts. Best yet, it is an ORIGINAL idea, not a sequel or remake. I did find the emotional beats authentic, though. The actor playing the child AI was friggen amazing, tho.
Looks GREAT. But... The weak script shows it's ugly head at every corner. The lazy "explanations" fort things as well. It's style over substance, but solid fun and great cinema experience.
A pretty fair review guys, quite a mixed bag film. The AI shooting as accurately as storm troopers, plus their lack of surveillance / tracking capabilities (a wanted fugitive walking through a city - no facial recognition?) that bugged me. I also felt both the AI Rebels and the US military had no real incentive to keep Joshua alive at all. He would have been shot or imprisoned on site and removed from the storyline. The candy was delicious though, I agree :)
The visuals and scale and sound of this film are incredible, some of the best in recent memory. But the plot and flow of the story was just a bit confusing, it needed another draft and maybe a slight re-edit. My main issue is the development between Joshua and Alfie feels rushed, their connection doesn’t feel genuine or natural. He hates AI in one scene and then likes them in the next. But still one of the best sci-fi’s I’ve seen for a long time, definitely go and support it.
Maybe, the bond made sense in my opinion given that he had lost his own child, and we later find out Alfie was literally his child. So some deeper biological connection was implied from the beginning. We also see the progression of him fighting for humanity at first, then him having apathy for humans after his wife was murdered, until finally he sided with AI towards the end.
I saw this today on my extra day off. I really liked it. It had an $80 million budget. Secret Invasion had $200 million. Let that sink in. Plus, I bet Ashoka coat twice as much, and that feels hallow as fuck. I'd watch this movie 10 out of 10 times if I had to pick between the two.
Ya, it blows my mind how The Flash had apparently a 300 million dollar budget and was criticized for terrible visual effects whereas this was made for $220 million less and looks incredible. They could almost make three more of these movies compared to another Flash movie.
I actually really enjoyed this movie. My only complaint was that it wasn't long enough. I could watch a whole season or two or three if this movie was made into a show. I think the emotions were limited, but i also think it worked for this movie, like the AI showed more emotions than humans did and i think this was an intended part of the movie. One part: SPOILER: Was when the bad guys(America) were attacking with the giant tanks, and the "rebels" were being targeted by missiles, the ai simulant was running but he stopped when he saw the group of kids, he told them to stay put and turned back and was killed a second later with the missile. It showed understanding and was willing to sacrifice itself. Then go back to the girl who killed everyone but one guy in the helicopter, she could have jumped and sacrificed herself but she didn't and killed almost everyone. The story shows that AI is capable of showing more emotions than humans can, be less selfish, adapt to religion and culture, etc etc. Humans are less likely to do any of these things, and i believe it was an intended part of this brilliant movie.
The very first scene when the super spy guys coming out the water for their secret spy mission then seeing GIGANTIC lights spinning around from space right next to them made me think "okay, is this going to be the kind of movie where we don't question what happens?" then 20 mins into the movie and all the dumb stuff that was happening confirmed that yes, yes that's exactly what this movie will be lol
Yeah. It was my thinking too. Seemed like a way of SCANNING the area in front of the troops. But turned out to be an oversized laser sight which had to point exactly below the ship. How does it work for the bombing of remote or multiple areas? Unexplained. It didn't even need to be on for so much time, especially for the covert operations. Sadly, pure cool visuals. I lost it when a new-asian village being a known target just went to sleep when the weapon of doom just hovered there in the sky, wasting zero energy doing so by the way.
Amen. Everyone behaved like an idiot too. Oh, there's a giant gunship hovering above us? - let's escape by boat, which provides literally zero cover for the obviously imminent missile strike. And when the cops show up and they just weren't looking at the target so somehow missed the missiles being launched skyward, and then we're blown up in total surprise 3 seconds later. How are they all so blind?! Like, the invasion team is trying to be sneaky, but has a huge scanning laser beam right behind it. Dumb af. Also, the tone insanely fluctuated. For example they were hung up on no swearing or visible blood, in order to attain a lower age rating, but in the very same scene where they said "he says to make love to your mother" just to avoid saying fuck, one of the characters is about to literally cut someone's face off to get through the face unlock mechanism (which is again dumb af btw). Gareth Edwards is a visual wizard (or at least knows how to work incredibly well with them), but he's not good at telling a story, unfortunately.
Gareth Edwards is a Snyder type of director: As long as you don't let him write the script and you will have a stunningly beautiful good movie. But if he has writing credit.....
Idk wtf people are on or what they even watched when they say this. He didn't write godzilla or rogue one, which I like but both of those films were far more disjointed and emotionally hollow than this (largely due to studio rewrites). So if anything this proves he should be in the writers room more.
Some tend to overlook the director can look over the writing of a movie and get final say Aside from that all of his movies feel the same lacking in the same areas Godzilla i barely different then his first monster movie none of which are that good
Just finished watching this movie, imo it was great. For me it felt like more of a extraction type story mixed in with the sci fi stuff. Laughed my ass off when i saw that robot "choking" lol
The lack of threat from AI in this movie IS the point, throughout the scenes in New Asia and rural communities Josh goes through displays of the harmonious connection people felt towards the robot in general. While the AI subject isn't at the forefront of the conflict, it’s definitely present in almost every moment of the film. A scene that struck me was when Josh was in the scrapyard and had to cut the power circuit from an old AI bot. The scream from the robot made it feel very authentic.
People keep saying this and im wondering if you guys left early before that sadistic creepy smile at the end its very clear that they were tricking humanity
the scene when Josh was in the scrapyard and hearing the AI bot scream once it turned back on was great scene, but the way the actress reacted to it was so cringe and ruined the moment. "omg wat was that it was like real mannn, that was a like real person with feelingssss". I exaggerate a bit, but god dang it took the immersion right out. Did we have to see her say what we already felt, such a ruined moment
Couple things: - What should be noted is that this is an alternative history, one that seemed to branch off in the 60s similar to Fallout's universe, so who knows exactly how governing bodies are divided in this world or what defences are put in place. We can't always take our own real world governance and apply it to movies. - You guys note how the AI in this movie could never win this war, they're awful fighters. Correct. Ken Watanabe's character even states that they weren't built that way to harm humanity, the Californian bomb was a human error. So that's why they're poor fighters anyway. That's why they want to use Alphy to win the war with her abilities.
Guys, in the pre-spoiler part they arguably reveal some important plot points not in the trailer. If you want to go in blind, skip this "review" until after you've seen it.
Yeah like the cliche Disney fake our death trope, the evil lifeless corporation trope, the someone is running away yell out their name and don't chase after them immediately trope, the cute animal do crazy destructive thing trope which happened like two times in this, also the multiple plot armour tropes on the main character, let's all point our guns at him after he killed half of our group trope, also the countless tropes that the kid can use their AI abilities where at first it was just an emp and then it can grant them tickets to the moon and then steer and aircraft Deus ex machina trope, maybe there was a story explanation for those but I stopped paying attention by that point
I thought the characters were emotionally well written imo, but I agree, some of the obvious dialogue and writing choices made throughout the story kind of threw it away
A big issue I noticed, the only way they show emotion is through close-ups on a character's sad look, sometimes with the bonus single tear on the cheek. Nothing is ever subtle or suggested. Anyway I could not identify with the characters because I barely know them. The flashbacks with his wife on the beach are again not subtle. It's a cliché of the perfect couple living in a picturesque place but besides "they are in love", we know nothing about them as people. It's even worse for the soldiers as they are defined by being in the military and that's it. Always talking loud, never tired, it's comical really. The budget for half of the explosions should have been used to hire good writers.
@@maxpstlI really feel like they should’ve added Neil Blomkamp to the writing team, even though this film is on-par with Blomkamp’s movies (particularly District 9), what the film lacks is a lot of the human emotion that is abscent from Blomkamp’s movies like Gran Turismo and District 9 and no criticism to Gareth at all, I think the world he created in this movie is solid, it just lacked a lot of the human emotion that is present throughout this movie
@ 30:26, Joshua had to do it because "she wouldn't let them." She can control technology, remember? She was probably deactivating all the devices they were attempting to use against her. So they asked Joshua to try. I thought they made all of this pretty clear.. It sounds like all three of you might require an additional viewing to really understand everything.
There are multiple non-remake movies released every week. You're just not going to the theaters to watch those movies... The movies aren't the problem, you are...
I don’t like going out to theatres. Worst fucking way to experience a movie. Phones, talking, laughing, coughing and bullshit. Why would anyone pay to experience that?
What about Barbie? The best and most powerful movie made in this century! It has got a strong message and a well put lesson for men to understand. The best movies are all provocative, and has a well thought out story and undeniable interpertation of the world. The movie is, in contrast to every other movie ever made, for once pro women AND men. It touches on the difficulties that all females face all of the time in real life, while also describing how all men behave towards women. The nice guys are not the good guys, just like in real life. Every man needs to learn from this fantastic movie, to become better humans, female supporters and even companions to women who still think that men are needed in their life. What I really like about the movie is how it doesn't force anything down your throat, it's just a lens magnifying what is already there. Every female can relate to the film because they are suppressed and marginalized, while all men needs to take on this way of thinking as well because society has made them all rotten to the core. Hopefully the success of the film will show all these men in suits that women is now the largest audience, and that they crave intelligent movies rather than mindless action and sex scenes for reptile brains. No more will movies only be made for men who only want to watch women in exposed positions, they will have to be satisfied with what they see in real life to get their anti-women fix instead. But this future will be different, and men will find themselves on the bottom of society - looking up on women who built the world that they have taken for granted for all this time. It's important that every voice is heard, so the future must listen to women and ignore all boys only wanting to quiet them!
I don’t even care I loved this movie through and through. I thought the protagonist had a awesome redemption arc all the way into the final 2 minutes of the film. And beyond that you already know it’s just a stunning movie to look at and and the soundtrack is just top notch for a techno geek. As for the world building that’s something I noticed walking out the door that they didn’t really establish certain elements very well or kinda glossed over certain things but to me that dosent matter when you have such a complete story to get invested into.
I just think with a two hour runtime they fit everything they needed to to make a cohesive story without sequel baiting or trying to turn this thing into some sort of franchise. Which I can totally respect so when I say I don’t care I mean that I don’t care that they had to cut back on certain elements to keep things moving. Could they have spent less time on action scenes sure and knowing Gareth Edwards im sure a lot more was shot but cut out for time. But also what’s the point of wasting time doing exposition dump scenes and a ton of world building for a one and done sci fi action flick. So yea I I guess I’ll continue to consume trash and love it.
The movie was broken down to one scene of the film “it was a coding error” and they blamed us” I would have enjoyed them going down the path of them copying their minds to robots
As a programmer I can understand it can be a coding error. There was that coding error that confused imperial with metric and caused a spacecraft to crash.
There where parts of the movie where it felt like I felt sleep for a moment and missed something. Like how did this character get there? Oh, this other character died, why should I care? I meet him 30 sec ago! The editing in this film was abysmal, and I didn’t connect with any characters besides Alfie( or aphie?) meh, totally disappointing with how much greater it could have been. But hey at least it looks cool and the photography is great. I wonder if there is an uncut version of this film somewhere. Really feels like half movie is missing.
The movie's cinematography (Greig Fraser of course) and VFX were stunning as usual. This film's biggest achievement comes from it's wise investment into the right things. The story was pretty good but there were a lot of plot holes that I wished were plugged up like the "miscoding" of the nuclear bombing of LA. That was just quickly mentioned by Ken Wantanabe.
I don't mind that moment cause it makes me question was that REALLY what happened or if is it just propaganda that they tell themselves. Cause in real life both sides of a conflict will tell themselves whatever makes them feel like the hero in this story.
It’s just a really good movie. It’s not a dune or Oppenheimer. It is just an original Movie to have a nice time in theatre. It’s not that cheap entertainment like fast and furious it’s quality with a cool story and good looking CGI
John David Washington for me comes off as one dimensional, every time he's in a scene he's expressionless, blank stares. There's nothing to draw you toward the character.
I agree with you guys completely. I love District 9 and Elysium, so I should have loved this movie. There were some good moments, but getting to those moments was so contrived that it killed my investment in those moments and pulled me out. The visuals were stunning, but everything was rule of cool. 1000 feet wide but 1 foot deep story. Still happy to have supported an original film in the cinema, but I wanted so much more from the story. It needed another draft.
A monkey blowing up a tank is cartoonist but a space whale the size of Texas traveling through space at hyperspeed to the same galaxy the badguys went is ok 😅 got it!
😅I see what they mean though. Star Wars was always about adventure and fun and not heady cerebral sci fi, so cartoony here stands out way more. But now I wish I got a different ending involving Purgills lol
this movie got me in my feels if you look at this a movie about a man who is trying to find his wife and reconcile with her and in the process find essential his child unborn child was reborn the thing that he is meant to destroy. I wish is was longer and able to go deeper like if this was a show it would be amazing.
The visuals, the production design and VFX were absolutely fantastic. The starring role was, as usual for him, utterly boring. But the actual problem is the lacklustre writing, the fundamental lack of logic about this world of androids and what they can and cannot do or how everyone acts... the shallow character building... I want a different writer and main cast, but otherwise keep everyone doing what they're doing. It might have been a hit then.
I found it bizarre they never mentioned a moon base until they were boarding a shuttle to the moon lol. They could have completely left out the return to LA, and instead brought them straight up to the Jonas.
I like this movie but felt like it started missing something around halfway through the movie. I felt this movie should had been a TV series to flesh out characters and motivations.
That's right Joe, it's a six. Folks should go see it to support original movies and the fact that it was a 90 mil budget movie, and the effects are amazing. But it's proof that story is king. And a good story requires a compelling protagonist with clear motivations and characterization. And even more, a threatening villain or palpable stakes. The threat doesn't feel immediate. There are no real stakes. So it isn't really clear why anything is happening, at least on an emotional level. Garret Edwards isn't a storyteller. He is a VFX guy, so that's where his focus will always lie. But without a compelling story to hang all that pretty stuff on, it all just feels like a waste. It reminds me of that sci-fi movie with Vin Diesel that everyone has completely forgotten about.
i thought the story was well done and the writing was great to be honest, i was thoroughly invested in the story and the main character and the kid in the movie. I hope more people see it because its gonna be sad seeing this movie flop
None of the pieces were there if you did some research about ai. Nothing hold true. You can tell the ones in charge of the movie didn't bother doing basic research.
I cannot understand how "visually impressive" products are still entertaining to people. Whether its a movie or a game IF IT ONLY LOOKS PRETTY & IS AS DEEP AS A PUDDLE WHO CARES?! If I wanna look at pretty pictures I can ask an AI to generate some images. IF I'M WATCHING A MOVIE OR PLAYING A GAME I EXPECT THE STORY & WRITING TO CARRY ME THROUGH, NOT THE VISUALS!
I've never been so thoroughly compelled by the first two acts of a film that went on to face plant so hard in the last act it ruined all the amazing parts that led up to it. Also can we stop casting John David Washington in lead roles?
It may be tropey but it was enjoyable. Tropes survive for a reason. I've seen movies that go out of their way to not use tropes and they are a big self-indulgent mess. I thought Alison Janney was great as a villain and great to see her do something opposite to what she usually does. The visuals were awesome and I'm glad I saw it in the theatre.
This was a great looking movie, full of great idea, it kinda felt like it could of been a Terminator War film, but there are just too many little plot point like Angryjoe said that just leave you scratching you head. Amazing for the budget. Its a strong 6 out of 10. (if you like District 9, Chappie and Terminator it might just jump to 7 out of 10)
Same here and I saw The Creator today. I strongly recommend it despite it's flaws. The editing and storytelling is odd at points but it's still a thrill ride and visually incredible!
You probably will, rogue one does have the benefit of the background of a new hope to give some much needed context that this movie doesn’t have unfortunately
Thank you angry Joe for telling it how it should be. I noticed a lot of reviewers are sticking to the visuals and how it’s an “original story”, and overlooking the flaws of the story telling. The movie looks phenomenal but the plot felt like a first draft and too much show with no tell or reasoning before hand. Like why America is allowed to hover over foreign land? 😕 Or, if this whole thing is America wants to eradicate all AI, the why do they have an army of AI shells carefully assorted on their science/military space station?! 🤔
I did not like this movie. Why do robot eat food? If the robot plugs in, isn't eating food that can feed a human child an act of Evil? How does an unborn baby robot grow? How does the metal parts get larger to keep up with the baby robot growing larger? If you call something a weapon that can destroy humanity in your movie. Shouldn't you show it as being a Danger to others. Not once in this movie did I feel the kid was dangerous. I would have been okay if they push the same old same old scifi troupe but this movie get nowhere fast. 3/10
So I see the trailer and go... Oh, Dances With Wolves / Last Samurai / Last of the Mohicans, etc. but then I read the comments under the trailer and everyone says "Finally a new original film!" Why is Avatar a remake of Dances With Wolves but this isn't?
Because this is about AI. So, instead of a sympathetic low tech society vs an antagonistic high tech society, its a sympathetic high tech society vs an antagonistic high tech society. Very different. Or at least it would be if the AI weren't basically just humans.
It feels like a script for this movie was written by ai, it's pure nonsense. I was very disappointed. 5 out of 10 PS Last week I watched Blue Beetle and noticed a general trend where all people of color are good, and all the white ones are villains. What is happening?
Movie was good but it was mistake it make it so black and white when it comes to the good guys (machines) and bad guys (humans). The one thing I didnt get is why the AI needed humans bodies at all or why they are carrying sticks on their backs.
6 out of 10. I love the special effects(minus all the film grain and blurring of edges) and acting. The issue is pacing and writing, they are equally horrible.
The movie was visually stunning, but the writing was goofy. I think the most glaring issue is that they didn't let the audience decide if the AI is sentient or not. It felt preachy and convoluted in its attempt to create an allegory using the robots. The emotional and spiritual interactions between the robots and humans were incredibly weird and forced. The recent Star Wars films did something similar with their robots, having the characters interact with great emotion towards them. It would be like expecting me to greet my toaster like a dog and give my microwave a Viking funeral. As a viewer, we need to be shown that there is something more to the machines through their actions and allowed to make our own conclusions. This film forces the conclusion onto us. There have been plenty of films that have successfully blurred the lines between man and machine, so it isn't impossible. I think the best example of bringing down that wall is Terminator 2.
My favorite thing was them burning a robot on a pyre which is one of the dumbest things I've seen someone do in a movie. Like it's a robot. An AI wouldn't view it as anything more than a shell. They would scrap it for parts to build more robots not light a bonfire around it which wouldn't even be hot enough to do anything more than blacken the metal.
You seem to forget how the AI robots showed actual intelligence , emotion and attachment to their human "brothers and sisters" how could you even compare them to toasters and microwaves ???
this movie has missed ALL the potential... nice sound and style. but no big questions where answered or even asked. a mix of all the good movies without doing something for itself. and oh boy, the nomad is the silliest superweapon if seen in a long time.
@@maxim196 From the beginning it is built on plot holes that are never answered and we are supposed to go along with unnamed assumptions such as robots having emotions but sometimes not, robots being harmful but sometimes not, or the main character having some unsaid need to betray his country because of a robotic kid that has powers that make appearances whenever convenient. Character arcs and changes in perspective feel completely unearned. Emotional moments evoke no emotions. Even with that, could I at least enjoy some cool sci-fi action? Not really. It feels mostly tame and surface-level. Part of it is the annoying limitations with PG-13 movies, avoiding all violence even with death all over the place. But it's more that the action isn't creative or... intimate? Shooting scenes are just a bunch of bullets flying everywhere (with terrible aim). And throw in explosions every now and then. It looked beautiful though ngl
@@maxim196 Or why do robots smoke weed and eat ice cream? Why do they pay robot couriers or work as couriers? Why does the protagonist hide behind civilians twice during the film to break through? Until his death, the hero is unable to cope with the loss of his wife and child, and is tied to a machine simulating his child, and in the finale he sacrifices himself for nothing. If Nomad is capable of destroying all AI bases at the same time, why is the order given only when the station is threatened with destruction? Why did the squad even enter the laboratory at the beginning of the film, why was it not immediately destroyed by Nomad’s missile, given that all this time they could track Maya’s ring? How can robots evolve further if all their human creators are dead, and Alpha is the only one of her kind and does not have any knowledge to develop this technology? How can you blame a machine for a missile attack instead of its creator? It's like blaming the frying pan for your food burning. Why is it that in this movie all white actors play the villains and all the people of color play the good guys? How does the destruction of Nomad change the course of the war? Asia doesn’t even have a normal army, there are some partisans in huts and police bots. If Nomad took ten years to build, what’s stopping USA from building another Nomad in another 10 years? I can go on, this movie seems to consist of separate good ideas, but they just don’t fit together.
John David Washington was the only dude who could lead them to the AI lab and they ultimately ended up seeing a girl look at a wooden doll which they turned to open a hatch. I almost laughed at that part.
**SPOILERS** Why the hell is the general at the end able to just launch nukes at every major city across the globe essentially and somehow has the authority to do so? Not just small villages but entire populated cities were targets including both AI and humans. The US would get wiped off the face of the earth by all the other global powers after an act like that. Just needed a contrived countdown dramatic scenario for the protagonist to rush against I guess. And how convenient all the missiles just deactivate when NOMAD gets destroyed...
Id have to watch the film again to clarify, but I don't think the nukes were all around the globe. It would have been all over Asia or New Asia as they set up in the film. As if I remember correctly it's set up as the US vs New Asia.
A 4/10 for me. The story was written so that 4 years olds can understand what's happening. As an adult viewer I didn't feel taken seriously. Extreme good-evil contrasts, shallow and underdeveloped characters, cheap emotional moments and just too much other illogical crap absolutely killed this movie for me. A real shame because the landscapes and the effects are superb. And considering the movie cost "only" $80m makes it even more impressive.
THANK YOU. I felt the same way. And stopping to think about the world this movie takes place in for even a few minutes makes NO sense. I usually can turn off my brain to enjoy dumb movies, but this was so bad I just couldn't get into it.
I absolutely agree, I checked out by the half way point because of the multiple times things wouldn't make any sense deliberate things that weren't considered in the script, it's a cool world but if your movie is hollow it's just a shell
It would be better with a protagonist who can act and its baffles me how almost every show or Movie now seemingly forgets what they have done previously and massively contradicts themselves or screws up something they established earlier that then doesn't work later. Classic!
@@FactoryDan its not only that, its also giving writers more time to research and make sure their scripts are good and rewriting them if problems occur. Its not the writers fault its the corporations.
@@maphistoos The result of the strike is that the writers are guaranteed job security. I assume regardless of how bad the scripts end up being. Sooooo, yeah. Expect there to be more bad scripts if the writers know they don't have to try and still get paid
You have it completely ass-backwards. The Writer's went on strike because of the working conditions that also hampered the writing. Imagine being so socially comatose that you stan for corpos hiring aggregated-plagiarism software as a substitute for treating human beings fairly. @@FactoryDan
Your issues with the film are the same issues with all of his films. Great mood world building and visuals but had the emotional heart of a robot. I think its clear that Gareth Edwards needs a partner director that knows how to do drama and heart. Hopefully this will be his last solo feature its clear he isn't growing outside the visual side
just standard scifi (dumb scifi, mind you, not clever scifi)...you have seen it all before if you are not new to this world. they did good for the budget they had...but sadly just safe story telling with nothing intriguing in it. sadly...towards the end everything gets super convenient, which is just lazy. you will definitively never want to rewatch this movie, once is enough, maybe...for the visuals.
You guys forget about the Scrable for Africa. America and Europe did the exact same thing. Didn't speak with any country, or anything they made the choice on their own and destroyed the continent lol and also similarly with Japan too. To me the Americans in the Movie are an accurate potrayal of what America is today.
Of all of the illogical things that happen in this movie, the main character somehow walking around as the NOMAD plummets to Earth literally defies physics lol. But I appreciate a new IP that is willing to take risks and has incredible art direction
I think It's perfectly logical if you've paid attention. The problem is that it's REALLY subtle, involves multiple blink-and-you-miss-it moments, and your attention is never explicitly drawn to it. Here's where you blinked: SPOILERS NOMAD is a space station, and EVERYONE is walking around on it. Not only that but everyone on the shuttle is walking around, too. You might put this down to bad writing/directing, and you would be right to if you didn't blink elsewhere in the film. Like the part where Joshua exited the shuttle into the low-gravity environment of the NOMAD's exterior surface. MOST of the land vehicles in the film are wheeled but a handful of them are hovercraft, as are some of the boats. They have anti-gravity tech. This is proved when characters are able to go underneath a hovercraft without so much as a breeze, let alone, y'know, getting squashed by the force of repulse-lift tech. I don't think this is bad writing or bad directing, it looks like the kind of editing issue that can crop up when you're cutting something down for time, and from what I've heard the first cut of this film was 5 hours long. "We don't need that 1second cutaway, nobody is geeky enough to notice and complain that we didn't explain a minor world-building detail that has no real impact on the plot." "Wait, Gareth, didn't you direct a Star Wars movie that one time? Are you sure nobody will notice?" "Star Wars fans don't know what they want, this isn't Star Wars, and it's the Producer's decision not mine. Yeah... I better get off Social Media for a while."
@@TonyCox1351 Because it took a decade and trillions of dollars to build a space station without the aid of AI (but with the caveat of unexplained SPOILERS).
@@sokar_rostau Why would you need to spend trillions of dollars? The NOMAD was basically a blimp that fired cruise missiles. You dont need antigravity to do that.
I’m pretty sure Alfie could control living beings as well as robots. Or I at least think we’re lead to maybe think this to more solidify that humans aren’t so different from machines. Examples: The dog grabbing the grenade, the American man being “turned off” after she looks at him, and the monkey hitting the bomb trigger (less sure about the last one).
I also gave it a 6. Good but fell short of its potential. Also its funny how they gave it a 6 and processed to non stop trash talk it the rest of the video 😂
Haha honestly their review doesn't really make sense, they made fun of the movies logical inconsistencies the entire review and then gave it a 6-7/10 at the end
I wish they had made it 2 movies. It felt so rushed. They moved from place to place at such a rushed pace it was hard to keep a grip on. The visuals were gorgeous and the settings were amazing. Writing was gap filled and it just rushed to an end that felt unfulfilled. Needed more breathing and explaining
I saw it last night. I was really into the aesthetic and what I saw in the trailer, I liked Godzilla and Rogue One, and I like John David Washington. However, as the movie went on, i wasn't really watching it, I was waiting for it to end. Most movies are rollercoasters. Ups, downs, twists, turns. This movie was just a routine train ride home. A slow straight line that you know exactly where its going to go and stop along the way.
Wasn't worth watching. It adresses nothing related to ai. No questions asked, no answers... Everything stays at ground level. Having made some research on ai, I wanted to see if they would address agi, alignment, or at least try to make people think about ai. All there was was emptiness. People are bad, ai is good, no discussion. That's our vision, deal with it. 2/10.
Couldn't disagree with you more. Just on the emotion part. There was some logic issues I have with the movie but other than that it was a fantastic movie
Why didn't they just make him finding the wife the end of the second act? Then bad lady could have captured him, the wife, and the kid and taken all of them up to the space station and the third act could have been him escaping and stopping them from launching the missiles and all off the emotional payoffs would have had time to breathe. Instead they crowbarred two third acts into the film for no reason other than self-indulgence.
This movie reminds me a lot of Ad Astra. Tons of very pretty visuals, lots of interesting worldbuilding stuff happening in the background that never really gets examined in any depth, heavy theme and atmosphere, but the actual individual character dialogue, choices, and actions are uncompelling and many situations they end up in and how they resolve them don't really stand up to scrutiny.
2:49 stuff like this is only reason I’ll wait for this for streaming. I have never been impressed by John David Washington’s acting. In the movies I have seen him, I end up being disappointed he is so one-dimensional. One has to wonder he only gees roles cuz of who his father is…. The only good things I keep hearing about the movie is the world building and visuals so that’s good I guess.
I like the way they send in: -An ULTRA Tank -Then 2 Suicide bomber robots They dont work, so next the General lady just decides to send in a single dude
Every now an then and I rewatch Game Awards 2016 : Judgment day . Man that 7 dollar part with you has to be one of the greatest things ever. Stil makes me laugh
Think Joe & Alex are forgetting the AI/robots said they just wanted peace , it seems they are not a threat because they are not trying to be a threat they are just surviving
5 out of 10 for me. Made for some nice stills and there was a remarkable performance from the child actor, but nothing in this film makes sense, right from the get-go when frogmen stealth onto a beach, only for their position to be given away immediately by the giant space station's immensive strobe light.
The cinematography and visuals where the best I’ve seen. The main story and writing however where absolutely atrocious. Probably one of the worst written movies Ive ever seen honestly. Everything happened so quickly without any pacing, I felt so detached from feeling any emotion for the characters, and it’s a plot that “I’ve kind of seen before.” (AI takes over but it tried to make me have some care for the AI which I really didn’t halfway into it). My biggest criticism is the writing. It felt like it was written by a 10 year old. Acting had alot to be desired too. In short, it was “cheesy.” I’ll never recommend this movie to anyone…
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I completely agree. BRO make this world into a hbo show or something. The world was the best part, I was fascinated. Also cinematography was great.
Agree this movie should make mini tv series . There so much missing plot , movie try to made me feel sad but i can't attach to any of char so i don't feel anything when some of them die
Definitely need more sequels to this
It doesn’t need to be a show, it just needed to be a better thought out movie. Taken more time for direction.
It looked pretty but it made no sense...
It's GREAT, if you leave your brain off. The moment you start thinking or asking questions the fkn thing falls apart from the get-go.
By the way the child's name irl is Madeleine Yuna Voyles, this movie is her very first gig and f*ckin killed it. Super impressed on how she is so captivating all through out the movie.
she came to our theater in SD and held a private screening. She was super nice and sweet and so was her family.
Dude she was awful I didn’t feel a single thing the whole movie
@@BankaiFevernot as awful as you
@@BankaiFevershe's like 6, chill. Guarantee you were picking boogers and eating rocks at 6
@@BankaiFever That's do to the movie not her really. Didn't even know it's a she, i kept seeing the robot parts and seeing an it.
I feel the exact same way about this movie: The first act and the visuals from start to finish were phenomenal, but the movie needed more scenes and dialogue to serve as “connective tissue” in order to address numerous inconsistencies and plot holes, especially towards the end. Overall, I really enjoyed the film even though it fell short. I would still recommend anyone and everyone to go see it in theaters. 😎
she wont allow us to turn her off!
Lol movie was cliche and has cheesy scripts
Angry joe been following your channel since I was 12 and I’m 26 now but still love it
Damn they gotta feel old enough bro XD
That's 14 years! I've been following since I was 19 and now I'm 30
I'm in this comment and I don't like it
Same here, 13 - 27 🤘🏻 been watching angry Joe since the old mystery guitar man Ray William Johnson days 🙏
same, it's just so crazy to see how far they came.
Director just want to do Rogue one again without being tied to the star wars franchise in a nutshell.
I bet they recycled a lot of cgi from Rogue One and that kept their budget low. It seemed to feel like that.
There's so many flaws of logic in this thing I'm not sure where to start. Solid experience, but the script, the story... Damn.
@@4Everlast100% my feeling. Cool concept but the characters made the worst decisions I’ve ever seen
It's better than rogue one, but still not great
@@olivernewton8584 Did we see the same movie? There's at least 60+ issues with the logic of the plot, plot holes, geographically it's terribly unclear. But yes, it is fun.
I really enjoyed it. It did need some more thought put into the script, but the rest was great. For a "low" budget movie, it puts a lot of big budget movies to shame.
It's familiar territory in terms of plot, I agree. But as long as it's well-executed, I can forgive that.
so "low" budget they couldn't let the writers do their job, but it's a weird bar to call this budget anything but exorbitant
Reminds me of how flash cost more than this to make lmao.
It's low budget? Bro the visuals were heavenly
@@nathanlevesque7812for the type of movie it’s a low budget.
I really enjoyed this. And it looks AMAZING for the reported budget. I gotta agree the last part seemed a bit rushed after the awesome world building in 1st and 2nd acts. Best yet, it is an ORIGINAL idea, not a sequel or remake. I did find the emotional beats authentic, though. The actor playing the child AI was friggen amazing, tho.
Looks GREAT. But... The weak script shows it's ugly head at every corner. The lazy "explanations" fort things as well. It's style over substance, but solid fun and great cinema experience.
A pretty fair review guys, quite a mixed bag film. The AI shooting as accurately as storm troopers, plus their lack of surveillance / tracking capabilities (a wanted fugitive walking through a city - no facial recognition?) that bugged me. I also felt both the AI Rebels and the US military had no real incentive to keep Joshua alive at all. He would have been shot or imprisoned on site and removed from the storyline. The candy was delicious though, I agree :)
The visuals and scale and sound of this film are incredible, some of the best in recent memory. But the plot and flow of the story was just a bit confusing, it needed another draft and maybe a slight re-edit. My main issue is the development between Joshua and Alfie feels rushed, their connection doesn’t feel genuine or natural. He hates AI in one scene and then likes them in the next. But still one of the best sci-fi’s I’ve seen for a long time, definitely go and support it.
Maybe, the bond made sense in my opinion given that he had lost his own child, and we later find out Alfie was literally his child. So some deeper biological connection was implied from the beginning. We also see the progression of him fighting for humanity at first, then him having apathy for humans after his wife was murdered, until finally he sided with AI towards the end.
I’m sorry but if someone shoots grenade onto your back, you’re gonna notice. Happened twice, pissed me off each time.
I mean the first one she ran think about the adrenaline probably thought she got hit by a bullet and kept running thinking she was safe
I saw this today on my extra day off. I really liked it. It had an $80 million budget. Secret Invasion had $200 million. Let that sink in. Plus, I bet Ashoka coat twice as much, and that feels hallow as fuck. I'd watch this movie 10 out of 10 times if I had to pick between the two.
Ya, it blows my mind how The Flash had apparently a 300 million dollar budget and was criticized for terrible visual effects whereas this was made for $220 million less and looks incredible. They could almost make three more of these movies compared to another Flash movie.
I actually really enjoyed this movie. My only complaint was that it wasn't long enough. I could watch a whole season or two or three if this movie was made into a show. I think the emotions were limited, but i also think it worked for this movie, like the AI showed more emotions than humans did and i think this was an intended part of the movie.
One part: SPOILER:
Was when the bad guys(America) were attacking with the giant tanks, and the "rebels" were being targeted by missiles, the ai simulant was running but he stopped when he saw the group of kids, he told them to stay put and turned back and was killed a second later with the missile. It showed understanding and was willing to sacrifice itself. Then go back to the girl who killed everyone but one guy in the helicopter, she could have jumped and sacrificed herself but she didn't and killed almost everyone. The story shows that AI is capable of showing more emotions than humans can, be less selfish, adapt to religion and culture, etc etc. Humans are less likely to do any of these things, and i believe it was an intended part of this brilliant movie.
The original cut was 5+ hours long, so you may get your wish some day.
Some people are beyond any logic or being in reality.
You are clearly outside of reality. This movie has objectively bad writing for the story and world building. You are flat out ignoring reality
@@craziedzombielmao what is wrong with you? you take their enjoyment of the movie so personally🗿
@@craziedzombieWait until you find out that movies aren’t reality. It’s going to be a strange day for you indeed.
The very first scene when the super spy guys coming out the water for their secret spy mission then seeing GIGANTIC lights spinning around from space right next to them made me think "okay, is this going to be the kind of movie where we don't question what happens?" then 20 mins into the movie and all the dumb stuff that was happening confirmed that yes, yes that's exactly what this movie will be lol
Yeah. It was my thinking too. Seemed like a way of SCANNING the area in front of the troops. But turned out to be an oversized laser sight which had to point exactly below the ship. How does it work for the bombing of remote or multiple areas? Unexplained. It didn't even need to be on for so much time, especially for the covert operations. Sadly, pure cool visuals. I lost it when a new-asian village being a known target just went to sleep when the weapon of doom just hovered there in the sky, wasting zero energy doing so by the way.
Amen. Everyone behaved like an idiot too. Oh, there's a giant gunship hovering above us? - let's escape by boat, which provides literally zero cover for the obviously imminent missile strike. And when the cops show up and they just weren't looking at the target so somehow missed the missiles being launched skyward, and then we're blown up in total surprise 3 seconds later. How are they all so blind?! Like, the invasion team is trying to be sneaky, but has a huge scanning laser beam right behind it. Dumb af.
Also, the tone insanely fluctuated. For example they were hung up on no swearing or visible blood, in order to attain a lower age rating, but in the very same scene where they said "he says to make love to your mother" just to avoid saying fuck, one of the characters is about to literally cut someone's face off to get through the face unlock mechanism (which is again dumb af btw).
Gareth Edwards is a visual wizard (or at least knows how to work incredibly well with them), but he's not good at telling a story, unfortunately.
Really liked the movie it’s not perfect but it’s a good time at the movies honestly and refreshing especially this day and age.
100%
I agree a refreshing change from Marvels oversaturation. I get Marveled out pretty quick now a days
Gareth Edwards is a Snyder type of director: As long as you don't let him write the script and you will have a stunningly beautiful good movie. But if he has writing credit.....
Completely agree Snider visual story telling and esthetics are top tier. Dawn of the dead was good because James Gunn was the one who wrote it.
Except Snyder sucks
Idk wtf people are on or what they even watched when they say this. He didn't write godzilla or rogue one, which I like but both of those films were far more disjointed and emotionally hollow than this (largely due to studio rewrites). So if anything this proves he should be in the writers room more.
Some tend to overlook the director can look over the writing of a movie and get final say
Aside from that all of his movies feel the same lacking in the same areas
Godzilla i barely different then his first monster movie none of which are that good
Couldn’t agree more!
Just finished watching this movie, imo it was great. For me it felt like more of a extraction type story mixed in with the sci fi stuff. Laughed my ass off when i saw that robot "choking" lol
The lack of threat from AI in this movie IS the point, throughout the scenes in New Asia and rural communities Josh goes through displays of the harmonious connection people felt towards the robot in general. While the AI subject isn't at the forefront of the conflict, it’s definitely present in almost every moment of the film. A scene that struck me was when Josh was in the scrapyard and had to cut the power circuit from an old AI bot. The scream from the robot made it feel very authentic.
People keep saying this and im wondering if you guys left early before that sadistic creepy smile at the end its very clear that they were tricking humanity
the scene when Josh was in the scrapyard and hearing the AI bot scream once it turned back on was great scene, but the way the actress reacted to it was so cringe and ruined the moment. "omg wat was that it was like real mannn, that was a like real person with feelingssss". I exaggerate a bit, but god dang it took the immersion right out.
Did we have to see her say what we already felt, such a ruined moment
@@citizengen more like a bladerunner rip-off
@@austinsavage5962wtf you mean?
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 i dont even remember now its been like a week and i dont remember anything from this movie
Couple things:
- What should be noted is that this is an alternative history, one that seemed to branch off in the 60s similar to Fallout's universe, so who knows exactly how governing bodies are divided in this world or what defences are put in place. We can't always take our own real world governance and apply it to movies.
- You guys note how the AI in this movie could never win this war, they're awful fighters. Correct. Ken Watanabe's character even states that they weren't built that way to harm humanity, the Californian bomb was a human error. So that's why they're poor fighters anyway. That's why they want to use Alphy to win the war with her abilities.
Guys, in the pre-spoiler part they arguably reveal some important plot points not in the trailer. If you want to go in blind, skip this "review" until after you've seen it.
thanks for the warning. ya it sounded like they started talking about stuff they shouldn’t have. they really need to be careful
Not really though
they always do that, I hate it. I only watch the first 30 seconds then I go to where they give a rating. I usually comeback after I've seen the movie.
@@fillezzo I will never understand people like you.
@@bonjy3701 Whats so hard to understand? I don't want to hear spoilers, even though they call it none spoilers section there is always spoilers.
Definitely felt like an AI wrote the script. There were so many movie tropes and it felt all over the place.
Not using tropes is impossible, using them right and packaging them in a way you will notice them less, that's were the skill is
Yeah like the cliche Disney fake our death trope, the evil lifeless corporation trope, the someone is running away yell out their name and don't chase after them immediately trope, the cute animal do crazy destructive thing trope which happened like two times in this, also the multiple plot armour tropes on the main character, let's all point our guns at him after he killed half of our group trope, also the countless tropes that the kid can use their AI abilities where at first it was just an emp and then it can grant them tickets to the moon and then steer and aircraft Deus ex machina trope, maybe there was a story explanation for those but I stopped paying attention by that point
which movie doesn't have tropes in it?
Thats an insult to AI
I thought the characters were emotionally well written imo, but I agree, some of the obvious dialogue and writing choices made throughout the story kind of threw it away
A big issue I noticed, the only way they show emotion is through close-ups on a character's sad look, sometimes with the bonus single tear on the cheek. Nothing is ever subtle or suggested. Anyway I could not identify with the characters because I barely know them. The flashbacks with his wife on the beach are again not subtle. It's a cliché of the perfect couple living in a picturesque place but besides "they are in love", we know nothing about them as people. It's even worse for the soldiers as they are defined by being in the military and that's it. Always talking loud, never tired, it's comical really. The budget for half of the explosions should have been used to hire good writers.
@@maxpstlI really feel like they should’ve added Neil Blomkamp to the writing team, even though this film is on-par with Blomkamp’s movies (particularly District 9), what the film lacks is a lot of the human emotion that is abscent from Blomkamp’s movies like Gran Turismo and District 9 and no criticism to Gareth at all, I think the world he created in this movie is solid, it just lacked a lot of the human emotion that is present throughout this movie
@ 30:26, Joshua had to do it because "she wouldn't let them." She can control technology, remember? She was probably deactivating all the devices they were attempting to use against her. So they asked Joshua to try. I thought they made all of this pretty clear.. It sounds like all three of you might require an additional viewing to really understand everything.
alex: HOLY SHEET. THAT'S DUMB.
yeah that's my reaction too with this film's writing😂
Finally a non remake movie
There are multiple non-remake movies released every week. You're just not going to the theaters to watch those movies...
The movies aren't the problem, you are...
@@jorssu13well said
I don’t like going out to theatres.
Worst fucking way to experience a movie.
Phones, talking, laughing, coughing and bullshit.
Why would anyone pay to experience that?
What about Barbie? The best and most powerful movie made in this century! It has got a strong message and a well put lesson for men to understand. The best movies are all provocative, and has a well thought out story and undeniable interpertation of the world. The movie is, in contrast to every other movie ever made, for once pro women AND men. It touches on the difficulties that all females face all of the time in real life, while also describing how all men behave towards women. The nice guys are not the good guys, just like in real life. Every man needs to learn from this fantastic movie, to become better humans, female supporters and even companions to women who still think that men are needed in their life. What I really like about the movie is how it doesn't force anything down your throat, it's just a lens magnifying what is already there. Every female can relate to the film because they are suppressed and marginalized, while all men needs to take on this way of thinking as well because society has made them all rotten to the core. Hopefully the success of the film will show all these men in suits that women is now the largest audience, and that they crave intelligent movies rather than mindless action and sex scenes for reptile brains. No more will movies only be made for men who only want to watch women in exposed positions, they will have to be satisfied with what they see in real life to get their anti-women fix instead. But this future will be different, and men will find themselves on the bottom of society - looking up on women who built the world that they have taken for granted for all this time. It's important that every voice is heard, so the future must listen to women and ignore all boys only wanting to quiet them!
Didn't happen with me, don't let people prevent you from enjoying things
I don’t even care I loved this movie through and through. I thought the protagonist had a awesome redemption arc all the way into the final 2 minutes of the film. And beyond that you already know it’s just a stunning movie to look at and and the soundtrack is just top notch for a techno geek. As for the world building that’s something I noticed walking out the door that they didn’t really establish certain elements very well or kinda glossed over certain things but to me that dosent matter when you have such a complete story to get invested into.
Same here !
"I don't even care" - I guess, just keep consuming without questioning then ... good for you.
You should care.
I just think with a two hour runtime they fit everything they needed to to make a cohesive story without sequel baiting or trying to turn this thing into some sort of franchise. Which I can totally respect so when I say I don’t care I mean that I don’t care that they had to cut back on certain elements to keep things moving. Could they have spent less time on action scenes sure and knowing Gareth Edwards im sure a lot more was shot but cut out for time. But also what’s the point of wasting time doing exposition dump scenes and a ton of world building for a one and done sci fi action flick. So yea I I guess I’ll continue to consume trash and love it.
@@WhyDoINeedOneOfThese in every aspect of, thoroughly or completely. Nah I think I got it down pat thanks anyways.
The movie was broken down to one scene of the film “it was a coding error” and they blamed us” I would have enjoyed them going down the path of them copying their minds to robots
Ah damn haha, that was better than coding error
As a programmer I can understand it can be a coding error. There was that coding error that confused imperial with metric and caused a spacecraft to crash.
How do we know that the ai robot is not lying?
There where parts of the movie where it felt like I felt sleep for a moment and missed something. Like how did this character get there? Oh, this other character died, why should I care? I meet him 30 sec ago!
The editing in this film was abysmal, and I didn’t connect with any characters besides Alfie( or aphie?) meh, totally disappointing with how much greater it could have been. But hey at least it looks cool and the photography is great.
I wonder if there is an uncut version of this film somewhere. Really feels like half movie is missing.
NOMAD. A trillion dollars. Not one Air to air mile. No guns. No fighter cover. You can fly an unarmed space jumbo jet to it and Dock. Come on writers.
The movie's cinematography (Greig Fraser of course) and VFX were stunning as usual. This film's biggest achievement comes from it's wise investment into the right things. The story was pretty good but there were a lot of plot holes that I wished were plugged up like the "miscoding" of the nuclear bombing of LA. That was just quickly mentioned by Ken Wantanabe.
I don't mind that moment cause it makes me question was that REALLY what happened or if is it just propaganda that they tell themselves. Cause in real life both sides of a conflict will tell themselves whatever makes them feel like the hero in this story.
It’s just a really good movie.
It’s not a dune or Oppenheimer.
It is just an original Movie to have a nice time in theatre.
It’s not that cheap entertainment like fast and furious it’s quality with a cool story and good looking CGI
Dune budget: 165 millions$
Oppenheimer budget: 100 millions$
The creator budget: 80 millions$
For a sci-fi movie, 80millions is not that much at all.
if you only look at the 0.5% of movies that cost the most sure@@nighthrashchannel8627
This movie was 10x more entertaining than Oppenheimer…. And Oppenheimer was my number 1 movie of the year before this.
Oh this was 100x better than Dune! The actors in this brought much more to the screen than Dune did and it looked so epic, especially in IMAX.
@@Napski_😂 I really doubt it
John David Washington for me comes off as one dimensional, every time he's in a scene he's expressionless, blank stares. There's nothing to draw you toward the character.
There can be only one King Kong😅
Did we watch the same movie?! This one actually had him emoting, made a huge contrast to him in Tenet
Animatrix: The Second Renaissance vibes from this
I agree with you guys completely. I love District 9 and Elysium, so I should have loved this movie. There were some good moments, but getting to those moments was so contrived that it killed my investment in those moments and pulled me out. The visuals were stunning, but everything was rule of cool. 1000 feet wide but 1 foot deep story. Still happy to have supported an original film in the cinema, but I wanted so much more from the story. It needed another draft.
A monkey blowing up a tank is cartoonist but a space whale the size of Texas traveling through space at hyperspeed to the same galaxy the badguys went is ok 😅 got it!
The dog returning the grenade was pretty funny tho
😅I see what they mean though. Star Wars was always about adventure and fun and not heady cerebral sci fi, so cartoony here stands out way more. But now I wish I got a different ending involving Purgills lol
Size of those tanks 😂
this movie got me in my feels if you look at this a movie about a man who is trying to find his wife and reconcile with her and in the process find essential his child unborn child was reborn the thing that he is meant to destroy. I wish is was longer and able to go deeper like if this was a show it would be amazing.
The man’s wife was dead 5 years he should have just moved on, instead he got all his friends killed trying to bring her back lol
I liked the movie but idk, i felt like it was missing something to make it a great film
I agree it just didn't reach the heights of a truly great film.
Ye a 6/10, had potential to be a lot better
I really enjoyed this film, it’s not a classic but it is one of the better films of the year
@@citizengeneither way this won’t be a classic
Sad that this movie was not that good, but a contender for "one of the better films of the year"
The visuals, the production design and VFX were absolutely fantastic. The starring role was, as usual for him, utterly boring. But the actual problem is the lacklustre writing, the fundamental lack of logic about this world of androids and what they can and cannot do or how everyone acts... the shallow character building... I want a different writer and main cast, but otherwise keep everyone doing what they're doing. It might have been a hit then.
I found it bizarre they never mentioned a moon base until they were boarding a shuttle to the moon lol.
They could have completely left out the return to LA, and instead brought them straight up to the Jonas.
@@jackmurphy4913when they took off from LA the Nomad was in the air but when they docked it was over China lol
Hey you guys considering watching and reviewing Gen V? Would love to see you guy’s’ thoughts on the first few episodes!
I like this movie but felt like it started missing something around halfway through the movie. I felt this movie should had been a TV series to flesh out characters and motivations.
I agree. The first half was fantastic, but the second started to get kind of wild
That's right Joe, it's a six. Folks should go see it to support original movies and the fact that it was a 90 mil budget movie, and the effects are amazing. But it's proof that story is king. And a good story requires a compelling protagonist with clear motivations and characterization. And even more, a threatening villain or palpable stakes. The threat doesn't feel immediate. There are no real stakes. So it isn't really clear why anything is happening, at least on an emotional level. Garret Edwards isn't a storyteller. He is a VFX guy, so that's where his focus will always lie. But without a compelling story to hang all that pretty stuff on, it all just feels like a waste. It reminds me of that sci-fi movie with Vin Diesel that everyone has completely forgotten about.
i thought the story was well done and the writing was great to be honest, i was thoroughly invested in the story and the main character and the kid in the movie. I hope more people see it because its gonna be sad seeing this movie flop
Then you clearly do not know what is actually good writing. So bat shit insane to ignore reality and objectively bad writing.
Saw the movie last night. Its worth watching but the third act is messy and rushed. Would love to see an extended version for this film.
I 100% agree, great visual feast, with a rough story and broken continuity. It was a bit of a letdown.
You guys nailed it! All the pieces were there but didn’t come together
None of the pieces were there if you did some research about ai.
Nothing hold true.
You can tell the ones in charge of the movie didn't bother doing basic research.
@@nyrva2876what's "basic research" to you?
The movie was okay. I didn’t hate it or like it. The story felt like it was missing some character building and reused ideas.
I wonder if we’ll get a directors cut
I cannot understand how "visually impressive" products are still entertaining to people. Whether its a movie or a game IF IT ONLY LOOKS PRETTY & IS AS DEEP AS A PUDDLE WHO CARES?!
If I wanna look at pretty pictures I can ask an AI to generate some images. IF I'M WATCHING A MOVIE OR PLAYING A GAME I EXPECT THE STORY & WRITING TO CARRY ME THROUGH, NOT THE VISUALS!
The world of this movie was enough to make me love it
I have literally came out of the cinema and there it is. I have like it 7/10
Could it better. That dog and robots looking for heads hahah
I've never been so thoroughly compelled by the first two acts of a film that went on to face plant so hard in the last act it ruined all the amazing parts that led up to it. Also can we stop casting John David Washington in lead roles?
It may be tropey but it was enjoyable. Tropes survive for a reason. I've seen movies that go out of their way to not use tropes and they are a big self-indulgent mess. I thought Alison Janney was great as a villain and great to see her do something opposite to what she usually does. The visuals were awesome and I'm glad I saw it in the theatre.
This was a great looking movie, full of great idea, it kinda felt like it could of been a Terminator War film, but there are just too many little plot point like Angryjoe said that just leave you scratching you head. Amazing for the budget. Its a strong 6 out of 10. (if you like District 9, Chappie and Terminator it might just jump to 7 out of 10)
I loved rogue one I’m sure I’ll love this movie
Same here and I saw The Creator today. I strongly recommend it despite it's flaws. The editing and storytelling is odd at points but it's still a thrill ride and visually incredible!
same I enjoyed it except for still don't understand one part at the beginning
You probably will, rogue one does have the benefit of the background of a new hope to give some much needed context that this movie doesn’t have unfortunately
It’s Rogue Two
Heard Jeremy liked this one
Jeremy has good taste.
Thank you angry Joe for telling it how it should be. I noticed a lot of reviewers are sticking to the visuals and how it’s an “original story”, and overlooking the flaws of the story telling. The movie looks phenomenal but the plot felt like a first draft and too much show with no tell or reasoning before hand. Like why America is allowed to hover over foreign land? 😕 Or, if this whole thing is America wants to eradicate all AI, the why do they have an army of AI shells carefully assorted on their science/military space station?! 🤔
I did not like this movie. Why do robot eat food? If the robot plugs in, isn't eating food that can feed a human child an act of Evil? How does an unborn baby robot grow? How does the metal parts get larger to keep up with the baby robot growing larger?
If you call something a weapon that can destroy humanity in your movie. Shouldn't you show it as being a Danger to others. Not once in this movie did I feel the kid was dangerous.
I would have been okay if they push the same old same old scifi troupe but this movie get nowhere fast.
3/10
So I see the trailer and go... Oh, Dances With Wolves / Last Samurai / Last of the Mohicans, etc. but then I read the comments under the trailer and everyone says "Finally a new original film!" Why is Avatar a remake of Dances With Wolves but this isn't?
Because this is about AI. So, instead of a sympathetic low tech society vs an antagonistic high tech society, its a sympathetic high tech society vs an antagonistic high tech society. Very different. Or at least it would be if the AI weren't basically just humans.
It feels like a script for this movie was written by ai, it's pure nonsense. I was very disappointed. 5 out of 10
PS Last week I watched Blue Beetle and noticed a general trend where all people of color are good, and all the white ones are villains. What is happening?
you got your appetizer.. you got your desert.. but there is no meat and potatoes.. damn im hungry and i got a tummy ache
Movie was good but it was mistake it make it so black and white when it comes to the good guys (machines) and bad guys (humans). The one thing I didnt get is why the AI needed humans bodies at all or why they are carrying sticks on their backs.
6 out of 10. I love the special effects(minus all the film grain and blurring of edges) and acting. The issue is pacing and writing, they are equally horrible.
The movie was visually stunning, but the writing was goofy. I think the most glaring issue is that they didn't let the audience decide if the AI is sentient or not. It felt preachy and convoluted in its attempt to create an allegory using the robots. The emotional and spiritual interactions between the robots and humans were incredibly weird and forced. The recent Star Wars films did something similar with their robots, having the characters interact with great emotion towards them. It would be like expecting me to greet my toaster like a dog and give my microwave a Viking funeral.
As a viewer, we need to be shown that there is something more to the machines through their actions and allowed to make our own conclusions. This film forces the conclusion onto us. There have been plenty of films that have successfully blurred the lines between man and machine, so it isn't impossible. I think the best example of bringing down that wall is Terminator 2.
My favorite thing was them burning a robot on a pyre which is one of the dumbest things I've seen someone do in a movie. Like it's a robot. An AI wouldn't view it as anything more than a shell. They would scrap it for parts to build more robots not light a bonfire around it which wouldn't even be hot enough to do anything more than blacken the metal.
You seem to forget how the AI robots showed actual intelligence , emotion and attachment to their human "brothers and sisters" how could you even compare them to toasters and microwaves ???
You can't shame me into accepting atrocious writing. @@maxim196
Going to see the film this weekend.
this movie has missed ALL the potential... nice sound and style. but no big questions where answered or even asked.
a mix of all the good movies without doing something for itself.
and oh boy, the nomad is the silliest superweapon if seen in a long time.
its like if an early version of AI made a movie script
The movie had so many small issues that kept on piling up which just made it horrible eventually.
like what ?
@@maxim196 From the beginning it is built on plot holes that are never answered and we are supposed to go along with unnamed assumptions such as robots having emotions but sometimes not, robots being harmful but sometimes not, or the main character having some unsaid need to betray his country because of a robotic kid that has powers that make appearances whenever convenient.
Character arcs and changes in perspective feel completely unearned. Emotional moments evoke no emotions.
Even with that, could I at least enjoy some cool sci-fi action? Not really. It feels mostly tame and surface-level. Part of it is the annoying limitations with PG-13 movies, avoiding all violence even with death all over the place. But it's more that the action isn't creative or... intimate? Shooting scenes are just a bunch of bullets flying everywhere (with terrible aim). And throw in explosions every now and then. It looked beautiful though ngl
@@maxim196 Or why do robots smoke weed and eat ice cream? Why do they pay robot couriers or work as couriers? Why does the protagonist hide behind civilians twice during the film to break through? Until his death, the hero is unable to cope with the loss of his wife and child, and is tied to a machine simulating his child, and in the finale he sacrifices himself for nothing. If Nomad is capable of destroying all AI bases at the same time, why is the order given only when the station is threatened with destruction? Why did the squad even enter the laboratory at the beginning of the film, why was it not immediately destroyed by Nomad’s missile, given that all this time they could track Maya’s ring? How can robots evolve further if all their human creators are dead, and Alpha is the only one of her kind and does not have any knowledge to develop this technology? How can you blame a machine for a missile attack instead of its creator? It's like blaming the frying pan for your food burning. Why is it that in this movie all white actors play the villains and all the people of color play the good guys? How does the destruction of Nomad change the course of the war? Asia doesn’t even have a normal army, there are some partisans in huts and police bots. If Nomad took ten years to build, what’s stopping USA from building another Nomad in another 10 years?
I can go on, this movie seems to consist of separate good ideas, but they just don’t fit together.
@@vi8799what’s wild is your comment doesn’t even explain all the plot holes. there are still so many more you could list 😂
John David Washington was the only dude who could lead them to the AI lab and they ultimately ended up seeing a girl look at a wooden doll which they turned to open a hatch. I almost laughed at that part.
**SPOILERS**
Why the hell is the general at the end able to just launch nukes at every major city across the globe essentially and somehow has the authority to do so? Not just small villages but entire populated cities were targets including both AI and humans. The US would get wiped off the face of the earth by all the other global powers after an act like that. Just needed a contrived countdown dramatic scenario for the protagonist to rush against I guess. And how convenient all the missiles just deactivate when NOMAD gets destroyed...
Id have to watch the film again to clarify, but I don't think the nukes were all around the globe.
It would have been all over Asia or New Asia as they set up in the film. As if I remember correctly it's set up as the US vs New Asia.
just saw it today. not bad. 7/10. Could have been longer, wanted more of the "what is life?" commentary.
Yeah it was more of a scifi action movie than anything else, but it a good one at that
it felt like a movie driven more by its visuals than its story.
I'm really hoping there's a directors cut that'll be released. But I also hoped for a director's cut of Rogue One :/
**Alex shits on San Bernadino**
Me living here: 😐😑😐🤨
A 4/10 for me. The story was written so that 4 years olds can understand what's happening. As an adult viewer I didn't feel taken seriously. Extreme good-evil contrasts, shallow and underdeveloped characters, cheap emotional moments and just too much other illogical crap absolutely killed this movie for me. A real shame because the landscapes and the effects are superb. And considering the movie cost "only" $80m makes it even more impressive.
Thank you. I was starting to think I was in the minority here or everyone else is a bot.
@dvmorgan most people are stupid, hence they don't mind
Exactly. 4 feels generous, but I can't justify a 3.
Garbage bad writing. Good acting. Visually nice.
THANK YOU. I felt the same way. And stopping to think about the world this movie takes place in for even a few minutes makes NO sense. I usually can turn off my brain to enjoy dumb movies, but this was so bad I just couldn't get into it.
I absolutely agree, I checked out by the half way point because of the multiple times things wouldn't make any sense deliberate things that weren't considered in the script, it's a cool world but if your movie is hollow it's just a shell
It would be better with a protagonist who can act and its baffles me how almost every show or Movie now seemingly forgets what they have done previously and massively contradicts themselves or screws up something they established earlier that then doesn't work later. Classic!
Good thing the writers will be being paid more for content like this, lolol
@@FactoryDanfortunately that's only for 3 years
I'd rather AI write most of movies, at least it can remember what the fuck it's talking about.
@@FactoryDan its not only that, its also giving writers more time to research and make sure their scripts are good and rewriting them if problems occur. Its not the writers fault its the corporations.
@@maphistoos The result of the strike is that the writers are guaranteed job security. I assume regardless of how bad the scripts end up being. Sooooo, yeah. Expect there to be more bad scripts if the writers know they don't have to try and still get paid
You have it completely ass-backwards. The Writer's went on strike because of the working conditions that also hampered the writing. Imagine being so socially comatose that you stan for corpos hiring aggregated-plagiarism software as a substitute for treating human beings fairly.
@@FactoryDan
Your issues with the film are the same issues with all of his films. Great mood world building and visuals but had the emotional heart of a robot. I think its clear that Gareth Edwards needs a partner director that knows how to do drama and heart. Hopefully this will be his last solo feature its clear he isn't growing outside the visual side
You expected emotional depth with John David Washington in the lead??? 🤭
just standard scifi (dumb scifi, mind you, not clever scifi)...you have seen it all before if you are not new to this world.
they did good for the budget they had...but sadly just safe story telling with nothing intriguing in it.
sadly...towards the end everything gets super convenient, which is just lazy. you will definitively never want to rewatch this movie, once is enough, maybe...for the visuals.
You guys forget about the Scrable for Africa. America and Europe did the exact same thing. Didn't speak with any country, or anything they made the choice on their own and destroyed the continent lol and also similarly with Japan too. To me the Americans in the Movie are an accurate potrayal of what America is today.
Of all of the illogical things that happen in this movie, the main character somehow walking around as the NOMAD plummets to Earth literally defies physics lol. But I appreciate a new IP that is willing to take risks and has incredible art direction
I didn’t understand anything about the nomad. What made it so special? Didn’t it just shoot missiles? Why can’t they just build ten more?
I think It's perfectly logical if you've paid attention. The problem is that it's REALLY subtle, involves multiple blink-and-you-miss-it moments, and your attention is never explicitly drawn to it.
Here's where you blinked:
SPOILERS
NOMAD is a space station, and EVERYONE is walking around on it. Not only that but everyone on the shuttle is walking around, too.
You might put this down to bad writing/directing, and you would be right to if you didn't blink elsewhere in the film.
Like the part where Joshua exited the shuttle into the low-gravity environment of the NOMAD's exterior surface.
MOST of the land vehicles in the film are wheeled but a handful of them are hovercraft, as are some of the boats.
They have anti-gravity tech.
This is proved when characters are able to go underneath a hovercraft without so much as a breeze, let alone, y'know, getting squashed by the force of repulse-lift tech.
I don't think this is bad writing or bad directing, it looks like the kind of editing issue that can crop up when you're cutting something down for time, and from what I've heard the first cut of this film was 5 hours long.
"We don't need that 1second cutaway, nobody is geeky enough to notice and complain that we didn't explain a minor world-building detail that has no real impact on the plot."
"Wait, Gareth, didn't you direct a Star Wars movie that one time? Are you sure nobody will notice?"
"Star Wars fans don't know what they want, this isn't Star Wars, and it's the Producer's decision not mine. Yeah... I better get off Social Media for a while."
@@TonyCox1351 Because it took a decade and trillions of dollars to build a space station without the aid of AI (but with the caveat of unexplained SPOILERS).
@@sokar_rostau Why would you need to spend trillions of dollars? The NOMAD was basically a blimp that fired cruise missiles. You dont need antigravity to do that.
I’m pretty sure Alfie could control living beings as well as robots. Or I at least think we’re lead to maybe think this to more solidify that humans aren’t so different from machines. Examples: The dog grabbing the grenade, the American man being “turned off” after she looks at him, and the monkey hitting the bomb trigger (less sure about the last one).
I also gave it a 6. Good but fell short of its potential. Also its funny how they gave it a 6 and processed to non stop trash talk it the rest of the video 😂
Haha honestly their review doesn't really make sense, they made fun of the movies logical inconsistencies the entire review and then gave it a 6-7/10 at the end
I wish they had made it 2 movies. It felt so rushed. They moved from place to place at such a rushed pace it was hard to keep a grip on. The visuals were gorgeous and the settings were amazing. Writing was gap filled and it just rushed to an end that felt unfulfilled. Needed more breathing and explaining
I saw it last night. I was really into the aesthetic and what I saw in the trailer, I liked Godzilla and Rogue One, and I like John David Washington.
However, as the movie went on, i wasn't really watching it, I was waiting for it to end.
Most movies are rollercoasters. Ups, downs, twists, turns. This movie was just a routine train ride home. A slow straight line that you know exactly where its going to go and stop along the way.
I just cant buy denzels son as a leading man...not quite there for me. Prob just wait till this is on streaming
Wasn't worth watching.
It adresses nothing related to ai.
No questions asked, no answers...
Everything stays at ground level.
Having made some research on ai, I wanted to see if they would address agi, alignment, or at least try to make people think about ai.
All there was was emptiness.
People are bad, ai is good, no discussion.
That's our vision, deal with it.
2/10.
Terminator 2 is way better than this...
This movie is about a poor version of skynet that hides, is afraid and weaker than humans... Total BS.
Ohh man just walked out of the theater... loved the movie .... go watch it !!!!
Couldn't disagree with you more. Just on the emotion part. There was some logic issues I have with the movie but other than that it was a fantastic movie
Why didn't they just make him finding the wife the end of the second act? Then bad lady could have captured him, the wife, and the kid and taken all of them up to the space station and the third act could have been him escaping and stopping them from launching the missiles and all off the emotional payoffs would have had time to breathe. Instead they crowbarred two third acts into the film for no reason other than self-indulgence.
This movie reminds me a lot of Ad Astra. Tons of very pretty visuals, lots of interesting worldbuilding stuff happening in the background that never really gets examined in any depth, heavy theme and atmosphere, but the actual individual character dialogue, choices, and actions are uncompelling and many situations they end up in and how they resolve them don't really stand up to scrutiny.
Like how does the ice cream 🍨 cop know that’s he’s not going to detonate that bomb next to the girl.
@@captaincrunch1707on a timer or remote detonator
I literally passed out 20 mins into that at the theartre, same with It chapter 2
@@xeno4665 they are both a bit on the slow side...
@@xeno4665 really? The beginning was pretty action packed and the world building was great
2:49 stuff like this is only reason I’ll wait for this for streaming.
I have never been impressed by John David Washington’s acting. In the movies I have seen him, I end up being disappointed he is so one-dimensional. One has to wonder he only gees roles cuz of who his father is….
The only good things I keep hearing about the movie is the world building and visuals so that’s good I guess.
Last movie I saw was Strays, and I enjoyed it. Definitely better than anticipated.
That one was great
I like the way they send in:
-An ULTRA Tank
-Then 2 Suicide bomber robots
They dont work, so next the General lady just decides to send in a single dude
And that single dude charges across the open with nothing but a pistol. Why didn’t that tank have 500 troops in it? It was gigantic
what’s so funny is me listening to this spoiler section without seeing it, and completely feeling like I still didn’t get it spoiled lol
Tyrone magnus: you guys will cry maybe even three times during this movie....
Angryjoe: there is no emotional depth in this movie...
This movie was fucking amazing. Please see for yourself. This was District 9 level vibes for me.
Movie was ass especially the ending
Every now an then and I rewatch Game Awards 2016 : Judgment day . Man that 7 dollar part with you has to be one of the greatest things ever. Stil makes me laugh
Where the F is STARFIELD review?
He released it 1.5 months after the game launch. He could have protected gamers from buying the trash game but he took too long
Think Joe & Alex are forgetting the AI/robots said they just wanted peace , it seems they are not a threat because they are not trying to be a threat they are just surviving
How can The Creator be Emotionally Hollow while Ahsoka is 10/10?
5 out of 10 for me. Made for some nice stills and there was a remarkable performance from the child actor, but nothing in this film makes sense, right from the get-go when frogmen stealth onto a beach, only for their position to be given away immediately by the giant space station's immensive strobe light.
Love you guys. Felt the same, but still loved the spectacle. I'm gonna go see it again tbh.
Action doesnt mean shit unless you are emotionally invested in the movie..
This movie is a 5/10 for me. Too many flaws to give it a higher score
The cinematography and visuals where the best I’ve seen. The main story and writing however where absolutely atrocious. Probably one of the worst written movies Ive ever seen honestly. Everything happened so quickly without any pacing, I felt so detached from feeling any emotion for the characters, and it’s a plot that “I’ve kind of seen before.” (AI takes over but it tried to make me have some care for the AI which I really didn’t halfway into it). My biggest criticism is the writing. It felt like it was written by a 10 year old. Acting had alot to be desired too. In short, it was “cheesy.” I’ll never recommend this movie to anyone…